Draft 2011 – 1st Round Discussion Thread
Posted: April 28th, 2011 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 419 Comments »No updates as far as the Eagles go. The players are now on the stage. Ryan Kerrigan is still dreamy.
Will we pick tonight? Good question. I’d love to promise yes, but we could very well be moving back. Let’s hope all the scuttlebutt is true and a bunch of QBs go early.
Goodell being booed. Classic.
Awesome response to Goodell.
Goodell’s strategy? Silence the crowd with a literal “moment of silence.”
Even with the uncertainty surrounding the season, the draft still makes me tingle. KFC and vodka ready to go.
Hey Tommy. Do I have to type in an email every time I post or am I doing something wrong?
@ dukebowden.l.
His only other choice was to have Abe Vigoda walk out nude and shock the crowd into silence. Permanent silence.
@ duke…
You should be able to sign in and stay in. I think. I’m in permanently because I write the actual posts. See if there isn’t a sign in option.
Excellent idea, Tommy. But I wouldn’t waste naked Abe on the crowd. If anyone needs to be permanently silenced, it’s Jamie Dukes.
I don’t see a sign in…but I have auto complete turned on in my browser so it fills in when i start typing it. Other option. Copy, then paste it in each time.
Jamie Dukes is less than awesome. And average. And mediocre. But he makes up for that by talking a lot and loudly.
I could also live without ever seeing Deion interview anybody. I find his game commentary surprisingly interesting at times but can’t stand how he strokes his subjects in interviews.
Man, I’m unexpectedly hostile today toward FSU TV guys.
I wish I could listen to Dukes…I’m in a hotel and am stuck with ESPN coverage.
If anyone wants to talk about the draft on Twitter too, the intelligent Eagles conversation is happening at #draftfilter
Man that chat with Cam Newton summed up why people dislike him for me. It certainly made me dislike him! Though I imagine a young Mike Vick was not too dissimilar..
Name a QB in the last 10 years who had an attitude anything like his..
Tom Brady, nope
Eli Manning, nope
Peyton Mannig, nope
Drew Brees, nope
Aaron Rodgers, nope
Ben Roethlisberger, nope (pretty much)
Kurt Warner, nope
Dukes fortunately doesn’t seem to be a part of tonight’s broadcast. But I’ve been suffering through him on Path to the Draft for the last week.
Let’s do this, gentlemen.
Any chance of using Kolb to trade UP? I apologize if this was talked about before, Tommy. With the CBA situation, this may be a way to move him and still get value this year.
Tommy,
A sign-in feature would be nice, but I haven’t found one either. If you are not busy tonight, maybe you want to work on that.
nevermind…didn’t realize that there can’t be any trades tonight. just saw that.
Glad to be here. Thanks Tommy.
Cam Newton it is.
Newton doesn’t even look bothered
Deion + Cam = 9th level of hell.
Like ESPN shoring up their coverage with just Berman, Kiper, and Gruden on set.
Its almost become irrational for me that I dislike Cam Newton this much. Not only do I believe he will be a bust, I am actually hoping for it. Don’t know if I have ever felt that way.
Let’s see if he’s better than the last great Auburn QB, Jason “deer in headlights” Campbell.
“we want football”
Indeed. Good job radio city crowd
Well, I’m glad to see we won’t be drafting him as our patented surprise pick.
I don’t dislike Cam, but the more he talks the more I start to dislike him. Him and Deion was torturous. Awful interview.
“Time to get to work now.”
Oh, if only that were true…
Goodell is going to be booed all night long. Pure delicious awesome sauce.
I realize that the Gruden Camp show is supposedly a puff piece (and is, to a large degree), but that segment cemented my dislike for him as a franchise QB. To me, he’s a 4th round guy.
Now that is how to react to being drafted into the NFL. I like Von Miller.
If Dumerville comes back healthy, having both him and Von Miller coming after you would be scary.
Hopefully Miller will be a better LB than the last A&M linebacker who went #2 overall (one of my favorite prospects ever). I’m dating myself here.
Latest evidence of how much the NFL is becoming a passing league — 4-3 team takes 240-pound pass rusher No. 2 in the draft.
It’ll be interesting to see how he fares in the 4-3.
@Davesbeard: I was just about to share that same thought before I thought to refresh first.
I don’t see why he isn’t a great fit for the 4-3. He was defensive MVP in the senior bowl playing the 4-3 with no blitzing..
Not sure I think Miller is the best choice for Denver, I think he fits best in a 3-4, but John Fox has had some good defenses over the years so if anybody can make it work he can I guess.
Miller is a classy guy. That’s good to see. Think he’s related to Von Hayes?
I love Von Miller. He’s #2 on my board, which means Denver got their value back. But I’m just not sure that I can justify drafting a 4-3 SAM linebacker at #2 overall.
Aaron Curry was supposed to be one of the “cleanest” linebacker prospects in his draft, and went #4 overall to Seattle. He hasn’t delivered the impact that was expected. I’m not sure there’s ANY way for Miller to live up to the expectations of being picked 2nd.
Really like the kid, though. Showed at the Senior Bowl that he can be a legit, Pro Bowl caliber SAM ‘backer. Just not sure you take one of those at #2.
Miller had a better shuttle than Peterson and a better 40 than Green?! Wow.
Kammich, well said. My feelings exactly.
OK, top 3 off the board, now it gets interesting. What do you do, Cleveland?
Buffalo has to be happy. A guy who fits prototypically as a 5-technique in the base 3-4 and then can ably slide inside when they run the nickel and dime D’s. Great pick for Buf.
Miller to DEN isn’t ideal, but that team does need playmakers. Robert Ayers doesn’t know what a QB looks like.
The more other people dislike Cam Newton, the more I want him to succeed.
In any other year, we’d be hearing how the Eagles are trading up right now in a Kevin Kolb package.
Where the Cards go at 5 will say a lot about our Kolb situation. If they don’t go QB then this year’s #@ and next year’s #1 have to be in play.
It sounds like the Browns are trading down with Atlanta moving all the way up to #7. If that happens, I am really curious to see the price Atlanta pays.
Dareus is like Boomhauer. Couldn’t understand a daggum thing he said.
Let’s hope ARZ goes for Peterson. That leaves them available as a KK trade partner.
Who’s gonna throw it to him? Poor Bengals.
“He could be in a circus the way he handles a football.”
…And now he is. Welcome to the Bengals.
@boyboy
Trade them Vick. Keep Kolb. 🙂
Tommy, sounds like we have to hope that teams like Arizona skip QB in the 1st, and then the run on QB’s makes none availalbe to them in the 2nd either.
The more QB needy teams that happens to, the better the odds one of them ends up with Kevin Kolb.
Move up for Peterson. Just do it Andy. You know you want to…
Are we putting any credence into the Marc Bulger rumors?
Peterson to the Cards. Good for the Eagles.
Trade Kolb for Peterson on Monday please!
Good. The Kolb sweepstakes are alive and well.
Cannot fault Arizona for taking Peterson. There are definitely bigger needs to fill, but Peterson is the #1 player on my board. I think they’ll look back 3 years from now and be very, very happy that they went with Peterson over someone like Blaine Gabbert.
The Texans are a bunch of sad pandas now, though.
RE: Bulger
He might have an agreement with ARZ. Question is whether it is to start or be backup.
ARZ should be a key trade partner when the league year starts.
And here comes Atlanta from the dark recesses of #27. This trade should be insane.
My God, how much did Atlanta give up?
If there is one thing I’m sure about tonight; these KFC hot wings are delicious.
WOW. Atlanta pulls the trigger, pulls a Ditka and trades their entire draft for Julio Jones? Looks like we have our first “holy fuck” moment of what should be a verrrry interesting first round.
Holy crap that is a lot to give up for a WR.
I can’t believe Arizona would go into 2011 counting on Mark Bulger to make it thru a season as their starting QB. He would be a great addition as a backup, but the NFC West is still within reach…but only if they get a QB they can count on.
Did I hear correctly? 1st, 3rd, and 4th this year + 1st and 3rd or 4th next year?!
All that for a guy who wasn’t even the best guy at his position in the draft. AJ Green is simply better.
Holmgren? This has Heckert’s fingerprints all over it…
Kudos to Holmgren / Heckert for pulling off that deal.
We need Gabbert to go to SF.
damn, he’s ugly
ridiculous trade, btw
Great trade for Heckert and Holmgren. They had a ton of holes to fill with their move from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and back to the 4-3. They need multiple D-Lineman, Secondary, and skill players. They need alot. This trade gives them a chance to do it this decade.
1st, 2nd, 4th, next years 1st and 4th.
That’s absurd. I like Julio Jones, but that’s insane.
2 1st rounders for Cleveland next year? Well, done, Tom. Too bad he always had a winner in Philly and could never trade out of the top 10.
Like most of you, I’m still 6 for 6 in my picks.
Great move by Cleveland!
Heckert pulled off probably the best trade in this era. The Falcons are insane. Heckert is building the Browns well.
lol @ bowtie. Nice, Julio. Btw Atlanta broke the freaking bank for him. Youch.
Kudos to Heckert. Hopefully Roseman has similar magic in him.
Terrible trade by Cleveland
I can’t believe a team would give that much up for a WR… Truly stupid. They could have gotten the same kind of guy at their original pick.
No pressure Julio, no pressure
Heckert / Walrus now have to make the right picks.
I wonder if teams were calling CLE about moving up to grab a QB and that upped the price ATL had to pay, because that seems like a lot to give up for Julio Jones.
Okay, the San Fran pick surprised me
I’d love the Redskins to move up and get Gabbert.
Kolb to San Fran at 12 am tonight?
First surprise. Could that push Quinn towards us?
Wow!
Wow, that makes things a little more interesting.
Locker over Gabbert??? Wow. Shock city, but let’s get those QBs going.
Isn’t this making 49ers a natural fit for a Kolb trade-partner? I guess it’s a good thing they didn’t pick Gabbert
Wowza Locker!
Locker over Gabbert is probably the right move, right? I know Gabbert was getting all the pre-draft hype, though.
Holey cow. This is about to get weird.
Yeah, definitely didn’t see that one coming.
That was huge for the Eagles… Now someone moves up for Gabbert and pushes a corner down to us.
Yay! Gruden and Kiper are fighting already.
Prince won’t get past Detroit. Do we like him enough to go get him at 12. Interesting!
So far so good for the Eagles, the teams most likely to be interested in Kevin Kolb passed on QB’s early.
Jon Gruden!
Smart pick by the Titans: get your guy.
I hope Dallas takes Tyron Smith. He’s not NFL ready and is a workout warrior.
Locker was an organizational meltdown pick
Cowboys trading this pick? Their warroom is eerily inactive.
Jerry is just milking the spotlight taking all this time.
Eagles might make a move up to get Amukamara sais Mayock…wow..
C’mon Tyron Smith.
Lot of discussion on NFL Network about the Birds trading into this spot. Sort of hope not.
I’m still shocked at the horrible Locker pick. That was close to being a Oakland Raider move
My guess is Prince to the Cowboys.
Wonder if that was us coming for Amukamara, we’ll probably never know!
Obviously Prince would be a good pick, but you saw what Atlanta had to give up. It’s just too much.
Awesome. Overrated rookie RT for Washburn to attack.
Prince and Quinn could be falling within striking distance here shortly…
I trust Tommy will find a way to make someone at Novacare tell us, but we might have to wait a year or two down the road.
Smith doesn’t do anything for me…enjoy Jerry Jones!
Good pick by Dallas. Their O-line is ancient. Outside of Doug Free, all their other starters are on the downside of their careers.
Don’t like the Boys getting a blindside talent and the Skins getting a QB…
What does Washington do here? Quinn? Don’t like the idea of blocking him and Orakpo for the next decade.
I don’t know a thing about Prince. Didn’t really read up on him since I never thought the Eagles would get in sniffing distance. Huge upgrade over Smith?
Could this be going any better for the Eagles? Arizona and SF both should have serious interest in Kolb with their 2nd Round picks plus next year’s 1st Rounder.
Glad to see Prince getting into the teens. Doubtful he gets to 23, but keep dropping and he becomes a legit trade up target.
Gabbert here makes the most sense as an Eagles fan. Keeps Minnesota open as a possible Kolb landing spot, and gives us a young QB to send the pass rush after for a few years.
If the Boys wanted a blindside tackle, should have taken Costanzo. Smith has a much higher bust rate.
I think the Skins go with Gabbert followed by Quinn to the Texans.
I actually think Jimmy Smith is a better player than Prince, but Prince is a lot safer because of Smith’s drug issues.
@Boyboy…
Smith is better than Prince, but there are no character issues with Prince. And we are talking about a guy who’s 6’1, 200 and runs 4.38. Good player. Not special.
@Bigboy
From what I have read, Prince is not an ungrade talent-wise, but a huge upgrade in character and confidence-level.
Another surprise!
If Washington managed to trade down, they made a good deal
Lets see how many picks the Redskins picked up.
Jacksonville moves up for Gabbert? Interesting move there.
@mattwill – what you mean? Can’t trade players can they?
I’m happy the skins aren’t getting a QB, but I don’t like them getting extra ammo.
Gabbert kinda looks hateable.
Now what does Minnesota do?
Minnesota sorta has to trade for either McNabb or Kolb, don’t they?
Hope Houston passes on Prince here. I wonder if they go Quinn in their new 3-4 defense.
Well it’s crazy already… Dallas drafting a 1st round tackle, and now the Skins trading down… portends the Eagles taking a LB in the first round? 🙂
Washington picks up an extra 2nd. Good move for them.
@ Triumph…
Now that’s funny.
JJ Watt to Houston it looks like.
Quinn and Amukamara are getting closer and closer!
JJ Watt? Howie, get on the phone about Mario Williams. He’s going to be terrible as 3-4 end. 😉
Nice – Watt pushes Quinn and Prince down a bit farther!
I am surprised Quinn is falling. He’s a guy we have to make calls about if he’s on the board much longer.
I certainly think the Eagles are being given some food for thought regarding Quinn, Amukamara and even Fairley. If any one of the 3 falls into the 15-17 range, I’d have to think the Eagles pull the trigger.
The Brain Tumor has to be making Quinn slide.
I’m not willing to trade a 2 to move up. Only a 3
Long way to go, but some good players are falling that will be of real interest.
Prince not on the phone for the Vikes yet…
What does everyone think about Fairly if he keeps falling? I’d love to get a guy who can get pressure up the middle. Would be a nice conciliation prize if Prince and Quinn are gone.
WOWWWW. Ponder!
PONDER!
IT’S A RUN!
More good players getting pushed down to the Eagles
Christian Ponder….You’ve got to be kidding me?
Just read a Didinger article that has me excited about Bowers. Of course, I love R-Diddy…..
Ponder to Minny. This pushes Prince down toward us more.
Hoooooly crap!
Cross Minn off the Kolb watch list.
Now let’s hope Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Ryan Mallet go somewhere here…at least 1 of them.
Well, Ponder is my #80 player on my big board. Certified 3rd round grade. Congratulations on the -68 value grade, there, Minny. That might be the worst first round grade I’ve ever given a team.
You’re telling me they couldn’t have traded out with someone–ANYONE–to the back of the 1st or early 2nd to get Ponder? Yikes
At this point, I’d just sit and wait to see who drops down to #23. I’d be happy with Quinn, Prince, or Fairley.
Too crazy with all these meh QB’s going so early.
Let’s hope the Lions go O-Line here
I’m interested to see where the DT from Temple is going to go.
Suh and Fairley. That’s frightening.
Fairley to Detroit?? I would not want to be a guard or center in the NFC North!!
Fairley AND Suh? Thats a push up the middle right there…
Wow, that is one hell of a pass rush.
Keep falling, sweet Prince.
Holy smokes, Jim Schwartz is building a nasty Defense up there in Motor City.
OMG. Good for Detroit.
No mention of teams considering Ryan Kerrigan yet, hoping he continues to slide. Great fit for the Eagles.
Fairley looks like he wants nothing to do with Detroit.
OK, the Lions DL is officially scary!
Suh and Fairley patrolling the middle of the DL for the next 10 years in Mo-Town? Naaasty.
Oddly enough, this exact scenario of Fairley to DET happened in my Madden franchise.
…I just lost all credibility for referencing Madden. d’oh.
I had not even contemplated Fairley to DET. Crazy. They still need a LT for Stafford.
The Lions will knock out Cutler from a game at least once.
Fairly lining up next to Suh? That is a solid center to their D.
What’s the point of Fairley? Sammie Lee Hill has been great for Detroit. Now you’re taking him off the field. I don’t really get the pick at all.
Okay, everyone make the same comment at the same time again… ready… go!
Sammie Lee Hill is good. Fairley has special potential. If he pans out, DET has the makings of a great DL. Remember us with 92, 99, 96, etc?
Here is my only problem with Detroit, until they can keep Stafford healthy they will never win.
They might be guilty of making the same mistake the old Houston Texans under Charlie Casserly did by never building an offensive line to protect David Carr.
@Eric – That’s good value, and makes their DT pairing one of the best in the NFL almost immediately.
Andy Dalton’s girlfriend is a total babe.
the Dolphins may be trading down to grab OL. That may be the ticket to getting Prince if he’s still there..
I’d like to draft Andy Dalton’s girlfriend.
Detroit must be looking to win alot of game 10-6
Tommy, who would you rather the Eagles get Quinn or Kerrigan??
@ Rhinoddd50
good point, but there’s no OL value on the board. that was major value for the lions.
Rhino, maybe Det gets an OT in RD2?
Although I think the OG value is better in that round.
Schefter says Quinn to the Rams.
Quinn at #14 is the best value pick of the draft, so far, on my board. +9 value for St. Louis. Spagnuolo is probably doing to Truffle Shuffle right now.
Tommy’ list of possible targets for us is dwindling quick: Watt, Farley, now Quinn…
Amukamara is definitely in trade-up range now!
I like Detroit’s move. They’re making something about that team special instead of just plugging holes.
Ponder going 12th is a shocker. I follow FSU and he is not anywhere near a franchise NFL QB in my mind, but good luck to him. He is a hard working tough kid.
Back-to-back QB’s here would be ideal.
Ingram to Miami?
No, I get the value with Fairly. I totally get it.
But the problem is that at some point they have to draft offensive lineman and try to get some good ones. St. Louis had plenty of needs last year, but they went with Roger Saffold at #33 because they knew that if they don’t protect the QB, nothing else matters.
@ Kammich Can you give us your next 10 best available?
If my comments are a little late, it’s in part because I’m watching the feed on the web which is a little bit behind
Let’s hope the Dolphins go OT or QB here.
Hey Suzie, let’s be proud to read a letter from a felon on the air. There’s a fine line between a feel-good story and glorifying a criminal (because his son is getting drafted).
Mike Pouncey.
I am perfectly OK with that pick.
Too bad Pouncey went at 15. I was hoping a RB would go here and push Pouncey to Giants.
I’m late to the game here tonight – any way to get this online like last year????
Pouncey pushes defenders farther down. It’s going VERY well for the Eagles so far. Prince and Smith still there at QB, plus guys like Kerrigan at DE. Worst case someone gets the QB itchnand we grab a future first.
Question: if Smith, Kerrigan, or Prince slip to 23 are you willing to pass for a team offering a 2nd and future 1st?
What is with Pouncey’s girl? Roof!
As as 1st round pick I expected more.
If Amukamara falls to 18, we must trade up with SD for him. I’d give him a #3 for him without hesitation.
@arby
nfl.com/live 😀
Its Prince or a trade out for me at this point.
Boyboy:
#8 Prince Amukamara
#11 Da’Quan Bowers
#14 Jimmy Smith
#15 Muhammad Wilkerson
#16 Corey Liuget
#17 Cameron Jordan
#20 Anthony Castonzo
#21 Ryan Williams
#22 Ras-I Dowling
#25 Nate Solder
Pouncey’s girl? Wasn’t that his Mom?
Is it worth a trade up now, maybe with Belicheat? Kerrigan and Prince both there…
So, how long does it take Mike to overtake his brother in total earnings by getting picked a few picks higher a year later?
Gosselin is having a very good night
1. Carolina – Cam Newton
2. Denver – Von Miller
3. Buffalo – Marcell Dareus
4. Cincy – A.J. Green
5. Arizona – Patrick Peterson
6. Cleveland – Julio Jones
7. San Fran – Blaine Gabbert
8. Tennessee – Jake Locker
9. Dallas – Tyron Smith
10. Washington – Christian Ponder
11. Houston – Aldon Smith
12. Minnesota – Andy Dalton
13. Detroit – Nick Fairley
14. St. Louis – Mark Ingram
15. Miami – Mike Pouncey
16. Jacksonville – Ryan Kerrigan
17. New England – Cam Jordan
18. San Diego – Corey Liuget
19. New York Giants – Nate Solder
20. Tampa Bay – Robert Quinn
21. KC – Gabe Carimi
22. Indy – Anthony Castonzo
23. Philly – Jimmy Smith
24. New Orleans – Adrian Clayborn
25. Seattle – Prince Amukamara
26. Baltimore – JJ Watt
27. Atlanta – Phil Taylor
28. New England – Danny Watkins
29. Chicago – Marvin Austin
30. New York Jets – Derrick Sherrod
31. Pittsburgh – Cameron Heyward
32. Green Bay – Aaron Williams
Kerrigan to Washington. Sorry Tommy
Kerrigan to ‘Skins.
WAS needs to pick Cam Jordan. Do it!!!
Duh!
Thanks Davesbeard.
Uh oh, don’t look Tommy!
If the Redskins draft Kerrigan I am going to be sick
I think Jimmy Smith is the guy with the potential to be something special and a perfect fit for the Eagles, but obviously his character issues are something that can’t be ignored.
It’s almost certain Jimmy Smith falls to 23 now, which was in doubt before this started. Still if the Iggles stay on the value trade chart, Prince is a great great trade up value anywhere here.
Really, really hate seeing Kerrigan become a Redskin. At least he’s a better 4-3 player than 3-4
Barf. I need someone to hold me.
Hold on, I am coming right over.
I want Amukamara so bad.
Jimmy Smith may be the one to hold you. Just be prepared to get pregnant.
the dream is over Tommy…….boohoo
@ Kammich – thanks. Where did you have Tommy’s man-crush, Kerrigan? lol.
With so many players at positions of need falling, I think the Eagles may be trade down.
@Dave
At least we know he’ll pay for Tommy’s abortion.
I hope Tommy wasn’t wearing one of those E34 compression shirts when the ‘Skins announced their pick. It might have blown up.
Nate Solder. Awesome.
Whew, I think the Patriots took the wrong OT there. Fine by me.
Wow, Solder over the OTs still available?
Chargers go Costanzo? Liuget?
Kerrigan was #26 for me. LOVED him as a fit for the Eagles. Not entirely sold on him as a 34 OLB, but still upset to see him as a ‘Skin.
Does Amukamara make it by Tampa Bay?
The Pats are pretty good at this; I don’t think I’m going to argue.
Dressed up all pretty, but doesn’t tuck in his shirt? Looks like a character concern to me.
It’s just kinda hard to question what the Patriots do.
Well I hate RK to the skins… But it’s looking really good for the Eagles… Both corners still there, plus a possible trade down for a QB hungry team.
Actually, I think the Pats have had their share of stinker drafts. Belichick rules the regular season and the playoffs, but oddly enough he has become human in the draft with his actual picks I mean. Although last year’s draft worked out well for them.
Its funny. I LOVE how the Pats stockpile draft picks. I’m just not a big fan of the players they end up taking.
Just posted this:
I’m hearing CB Jimmy Smith is now off the Eagles board. We’ll see.
Prince Amukamara would be great.
Another name to keep in mind…DT Muhammad Wilkerson.
Rhino,
Stay out of my head please…
I’m gonna smash something if the Giants take Amukamara.
Liuget. Makes sense. I figured they’d go DT, but I thought he’d be gone by now and they’d pick Wilkerson.
Why would we take a guy off the board now? Isn’t all the homework done?
Big slide for Prince and to some degree for Jordan.
I can’t believe Belicheat did not take a 5 technique there.
If Tampa passes on Bowers, will the Eagles consider him?
For what it’s worth:
http://www.gcobb.com/2011/04/28/if-daquan-bowers-drops-could-eagles-go-after-him/
The idea of Ingram to the Giants scares me more than any pick to any team thus far.
I would be good with Wilkerson, he would be a good fit.
Say no to Bowers. Too many red flags.
Giants go RB or OL here I hope.
Tampa Bay is a big risk to go CB with the Talib problems
I doubt KC goes CB, I think they go OL
Colts might go CB, but they could go CB or OL
The Eagles actually have some hope that Amukamara falls to #23. That would be awesome
If smith is off the board does that mean he is a turd?
Also chnces of trading Kolb to Arizona for Petterson?
I don’t think the Giants can go wrong with either Castonzo or Ingram. I think Ingram makes sense for them.
I meant to say that the Colts could go QB or OL…
Any chance we take Mark Ingram? BPA
SHIT. I KNEW IT.
Bummer, now what the hell do we do?
Giants taking Prince. Crap balls.
I think we’re assuming the Eagles won’t go OL. And let’s face it, they always seem to do the unexpected.
Shit
Damn!!!! That sucks ass. I can’t believe they did that.
Both the Redskins and Giants taking the guys that were ideal fits for us.
Awful
Trade out. Trade out. Trade out.
It would have cost us a 4th, or at most, a 3rd to move up. The Eagles obviously didn’t want him.
@#$%@#$%$#@ GIANTS!
Prince will be a bust. That’s not a football player’s name. lol
Other than Jimmy Smith or Mark Ingram, all I want to do is trade down. Awful.
Prince’s mom is dressed like a Christmas present.
I’m not broken hearted by losing Prince. Good player. I just didn’t covet him.
Trading back is best avenue for us.
I now feel your pain, Tommy.
Heh.
@Tommy – Trade down rather than take Smith?
Damn… I was hoping he’d fall to us.
What this tells me is the Eagles didn’t like Amukamara that much, otherwise they would have made a move for him.
I think the Eagles really want to trade down OR they are perfectly fine with Jimmy Smith.
How many QB’s are left that could go in a run? Could we start a run by letting a team trade up?
@Manna
Or, trade down AND take Smith much later. If Jimmy is that much of a turd though, I’d rather just trade back and take Aaron Williams or Dowling.
So no one wants Mark Ingram? If that’s the case, and you can’t trade down, who do you take?
Hopefully this strategy will pay off. It was tough to watch players in reach that seemed to be such great fits for us, and not make the move to get them.
Both Kerrigan and Prince were very much in striking distance tonight.
What would you think if the Eagles took the OT from Boston College.
One of my favorite parts of the draft is constantly going from hoping a pick falls to us and becomes a 10-year starter because he’s such a quality prospect to desperately hoping he is a bust and was clearly overrated. So nice to have real offseason football.
@Triumph – at this point I don’t want them spending a 1st on an OT. Trade back and grab an OT in 2nd.
Not trying to rationalize here…because Prince and Kerrigan were among my favorite players.
But…
Washburn has a bunch of DE’s to work with and at CB I think the Eagles are saying they are going after a veteran CB somehow…either in FA or trade.
@ Alohadelphia…
Know exactly what you mean. Hero becomes enemy in a friggin hurry.
@Alohadelphia HAHAHA yeah I hear ya there
Alohadelphia…outstanding! That was funny.
At this point, if the Eagles don’t trade back, I think it’s Bowers, Wilkerson, or Cam Jordan. DL is the value at 23 it looks like.
So what are the chances we go with Bowers?
The Eagles already have 1 Mircrofracture surgery special at DE, I am not really excited by adding another.
Can’t get over TB taking Clayborn
Hope the Chiefs go O-Line here…
Microfracture surgery for a guy that young is a horrible sign. I would stay away from that.
@Triumph and MannaFromKevin, I really don’t want an OT in the 1st. James Carpenter in the 2nd is a much better value if the FO really feels they need an OT. Jah Reid and Willie Smith even later are good values as well.
Vodka + Gatorade = Most hydrated, inebriated man in the world. Also makes for a heavy-eyed man. Here’s hoping the Eagles make a pick (even if a trade down is the best move).
What the heck are the Browns doing? They took a 3-4 NT going back to a 4-3 with Atyba Rubin already on the team? That just doesn’t make sense to me.
Phil Taylor to the Browns, Costanzo to the Colts. Birds are essentially on the clock.
@mattwill Agreed. At this point the OT talent isn’t that great a value in the 1st.
Costanzo to Colts.
I hope the Eagles don’t pick Carimi, Marvin Austin, or Bowers here. Would not excite me in the least.
I really like what the Browns are doing.
So now we’re looking at Smith, Jordan as an alternative BPA, or maybe a guy like Wilkerson.
I want Smith, or if his character is that bad, a trade back.
Heckert likes fooling 3-4 teams by trading into their pick and taking the guy they were probably targeting later. Gocong redux!
Ugghhh, forgot about Carimi. I really do not want him. We need a SPECIAL player, and he may be solid but he will never be special.
Please, please, please, trade back.
Eagles will be up in a moment. My guess is Wilkerson or trade back. Sleeper is CB Ras-I Dowling.
Isn’t Cam Jordan still out there? Whoa, I see 2 OL going here next.
I like Carimi and think he might be an excellent right tackle… but I agree, I would rather see a trade back or take a chance on Jimmy Smith.
I’m surprised Jordan is available, but am just not sure how he would work in our scheme.
Holmgren must be trying to recreate his Green Bay D-Line from the 90’s when he had guys like Gilbert Brown in the middle.
Is Wilkerson good Tommy? Is he a Washburn guy?
This is from John Tamari of the Inquirer:
#Eagles staff here in NY watching selections on TV and pumping fists … they like someone coming their way.
I also love the slow-motion staredown sequence after certain picks, sometimes you have to question the players willingness to be a part of those. I still think there’s hope for Jimmy to be a Bird.
Wilkerson seems like an odd fit to me.
Wouldn’t Dowling be quite a reach? No matter what they do they should not reach.
Dukebowden, funny one on Heckert. You might be right. lol
spadaro says Danny Watkins…
Spadaro saying its Watkins for the Eagles.
Mother…of…God…no
DANNY WATKINS?! NOOOOO.
WATKINS????????
If we take a need for Arizona that could say something about the next week.
Watkins huh, not an exciting pick but fills a hole.
Danny Watkins???
An actual guard-sized guard
I love Danny Watkins. Love the kid. Not sure I love him at #23.
But he seems like a classic Howard Mudd guy.
He might be the most pro ready rookie lineman for 2011
A 26 year old OL?! I am not liking this pick in the least.
Noooooo. I just can’t get excited about an ancient interior lineman.
No complaints here – just thought he would go a little later
Shit.
Well. Tommy? Reaction?
At least we don’t have to worry about re-signing him to an extension after he turns 30+. He’ll be 32 before the end of his first contract.
I’m gonna write up a post on Danny.
I do not love this pick. At all.
At least they are consistent. They always do something that doesn’t make sense.
Sometimes it works out, sometimes it does not… but it is rarely predictable.
The Eagles are going to claim BPA, but I’m having none of it. Pure reach for a need. Exactly how you shouldn’t approach the draft.
Now we’re going to have to hear even more about how this is “such an Andy Reid pick” and how he loves his o-linemen in the 1st round. Ya know, now that Watkins will be his 2nd ever 1st round o-line pick.
I think Danny Watkins is a super solid pick…he fills this team’s biggest need outside of RCB. I am not sure he is great value at #23, but if this guy isn’t a solid starter from Day 1 I will be surprised.
I never saw it coming. But we all knew if the Eagles picked a guy in the 1st it would be somebody that nobody expected.
he may be older but he’s only got 4 years of wear on those tires – bottomline is he’s a winning kid. Great pick. I love this guy.
Honestly I’m most frustrated by his age. Part of the great part of the draft is that you’re picking players who you anticipate manning the field for a decade. Watkins is a player that we may be getting 3-4 years less out of than your average draft pick.
I would rather have taken a QB. At that age, Watkins has 3rd round value.
A guard is a bad positional value
A 26 year old is not going to play for 10 years
So all in all, horrific reach by Howie Roseman.
I like Watkins the player. I greatly dislike Watkins at 23. Wrong pick.
He’s a tough, dirty player… and there’s no question that we needed some help at that position.
I don’t have a problem with this pick at all.
Mcud, totally understand, but I think this is a guy that will be very popular in Philly once he gets on the field.
Mudd just left a message on McGlynn’s voice mail.
“Mike, it’s Howard. F – You.”
I can’t begin to express how pissed off I am right now. A 27 year old rookie offensive guard? Are you FING KIDDING ME!
It’s not a horrific reach at all.
Now let’s trade up in round 2 and get Ras-I
Guys, seriously, I can’t say this pick was great value, but I can honestly say I have never trusted a 1st round pick the Eagles have made to be successful more than this guy.
I don’t give a crap about 10 years. I like someone who can help right away and give Vick some time to make great things happen.
If Watkin’s is Mudd’s guy… well… in Mudd We Trust.
Never mind the age. Guy has to be a pro bowler to justify taking a guard in the first round.
Our defense needs an infusion of first-round talent and didn’t get it.
I won’t be happy unless Watkins makes the Pro Bowl or we win the Super Bowl.
Its all about value. It always has been. You take a kid with no experience who is actually older than the guy you expect to be replacing, and you use your 1st rounder to do it. Not to mention, there are kids who represent serious value left on the board. The kid you took will be at least 31 before his 1st contract is up, and plays an interior line position, the one area where you can always find quality in the mid-rounds.
F this pick. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I can’t say this is a pick I was excited to hear, but his interview sounded like a guy I am proud to have represent my team.
I just don’t believe you take TEs, guards, ILBs in RD1. You can find those guys later. Is Watkins THAT much better than Ijalana/Boling/Wisnewski?
We went for need. While I get the logic, I don’t agree with it. I’d have preferred trading down.
Good night all. I will be looking forward to reading the write-up in the morning.
I groaned last year when we passed on Earl Thomas. I’ve groaned this year when we passed on Jimmy Smith.
But in both cases, I was happy with who we got. Watkins might be an older prospect, but he’s got a meanstreak and he fits the Eagles’ profile. There is depth at CB in this draft, and there will be plenty of good ones to be had in the 2nd. If somehow someone like Ras-I Dowling continues to fall and the Eagles can nab him at some point in the 2nd, I’d go from “fairly happy” to “THRILLED” with this draft.
He goes earlier than our pick in a lot of mocks and one of the nfl guys had him going to us. While he is 26, if you can get 8 years of starting experience out of him, it could make sense.
And clearly this was a Mudd pick, so to ask whether he is that much better than what we could have gotten in the mid rounds, well, the answer for Mudd is clearly, YES, he is worth it.
But, it’s not all about value. It’s about who can help you the most.
It’s about finding the pieces of the puzzle that fit best.
I really don’t know what to think.
I am going to pretend he is the next Steve Hutchinson until proven otherwise.
@Matt – True enough. If Mudd is known for taking late round guys or UDFAs and turning them into starters, if he wanted Danny Watkins then he must see something special about this kid. Sorry… he’s a year older than I am (and I’ve been out of college just under 4 years)… I guess I can’t call him a “kid”.
Now let’s trade up in round 2 and get Jimmy Smith
@mcud
I think our interior line last year showed that it isn’t as easy to find depth in the mid-rounds.
I think this is the worst investment of resources that Andy Reid has ever made. I hated the Paul Fanaika pick, but that was a late rounder. Same with Tony Hunt. Same with Stacy Andrews, but that was only money.
Watkins at #23 is simply terrible. I’ll read everyones’ thoughts with an open mind, but I cannot remember a time when I was as frustrated with a pick as I am right now.
@Mcud who do you think was left at 23 that “represented serious value”
Well at least we didn’t take James Carpenter.
Carpenter – now THAT is the definition of a reach.
Carpenter over Carimi?
I’m with you matt… do something special here tomorrow…
We took 13 guys last year. This draft should be more about quality.
I thought Watkins should have went in the 2nd / early 3rd round because of his age only…not his ability. But I said I thought he was the most NFL ready offensive lineman in this draft.
In Mudd’s system I think Watkins could play all 5 positions. If Watkins was 22, I would have liked him as a better prospect than Mike Pouncey.
Interesting thing (to me) about this pick is that last year when Logan Mankins was holding out and I was saying, “go get him”, the response I always heard was “the price would be too steep” and/or “you don’t give up that much for an interior lineman”. Here we are spending a 1st round pick on a 26 year old guard who is unproven.
With that being said, I’ve always questioned the Eagles philosophy of staffing the interior OL with mid-round players. Think about it. 2004 SuperBowl – no Shawn Andrews – the interior OL was terrorized. Since Andrews has been gone, it’s been a revolving door. Yeah, we’ve always got good production from marginal talent, but in 2009 and 2010 the play at C and RG heavily contributed to early exits in the Playoffs.
To this move, I say kudos. Change your philosophy to get better at a position of need. Mike McGlynn is just a guy. Same with MJG. Same with Nick Cole. I’ve been a heavy flag waver for change within the organization. I never thought I’d be so excited by an offensive guard as I am now.
Also, for those complaining about age, he LOOKS like he is about 20, so thats gotta count for something.
I won’t lie and say there aren’t 20 players I’d rather have than Watkins. To me, the most value would have been to trade down, even if your target would eventually have been Watkins.
Wilkerson, Ingram, Williams, Cam Jordan, Smith, Ayers, Bowers, Dowling, Houston, Reed, Kapernick, Baldwin, Sheard, and Carpenter are all players I would have GREATLY preferred to Watkins.
Boyboy, some good points. Only think I would say about Mankins, is that he would have cost $50 Million dollars at that age. Watkins is going to cost $6M.
Baltimore traded out
my sister keeps texting me saying that if we were gonna take a Canadian, we should’ve taken Claude Giroux.
Giroux would probably be a pretty good kicker, ey?
hosers.
@Triumph – No Baltimore passed. They didn’t make a pick. They can pick at any point now though after KC picks. Or as they said, NE could beat them to the punch and have a pick ready too. But prob Baltimore goes after KC. Sounded like Baltimore trying to make a trade and didn’t get it done in time.
Not in love with his value more than his age, but you really can’t hate this pick as it did solidify a weakness and gave us many options. It was just an, “…eh” anticlimactic kind of pick. He seems comparable to Pouncey who went at 15, so he may turn out to be a pretty quality value pick.
Watkins may be OK as a player, but I’m having a very difficult time believing the Eagles couldn’t have traded down for him at least a handful of spots, still picked Watkins, and picked up more ammo.
@justwin1 – To trade down you gotta have a trading partner. Maybe there just wasn’t anyone interested in trading up to #23. Can’t do much about that.
If nothing else, we freed up some cash not investing in Mankins and now can spend that (semi-irrationally) on Nnamdi.
Look, if he’s good, it’s a good pick, and if he sucks, it’s a bad pick. It’s not that tough to analyze.
ok, so Baltimore gets Jimmy Smith a pick late.
Could be unbelievable pick for the Ravens.
Will be interesting to see how Danny Watkins stacks up to these guys.
My God. The Pats just got a 2 and a 1st rounder next year for trading back.
I’m sure the Eagles did consider moving back, but there is no guarantee Watkins would have lasted. SEA is calling James Carpenter a G. I bet they would have grabbed Watkins if he was on the board.
I love the player. Value is off. I’m not going to get down on us upgrading the protection for Michael Vick. We can make it to the SB if he’s healthy, but can’t if he’s hurt and watching from the sideline.
Jimmy Smith sitting next to Drew Rosenhaus looks like such a prick. He’s only been arrested twice before he was 20. At least we got a player we can be proud of is on our team.
The Eagles might have felt they couldn’t trade down very far. Ironically the teams that had been sniffing around Watkins the most were New England and KC.
For those who want to know why we passed on J Smith.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/120747104.html
Seahawks keep pick, go with James Carpenter 25th in NFL Draft
by Dan Kadar on Apr 28, 2011 10:52 PM EDT in 2011 NFL Draft
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The word is the Seattle Seahawks were trying feverishly to trade the 25th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. With no suitors, the Seahawks kept the pick and went with Alabama offensive tackle James Carpenter.
After Jake Locker going eighth overall to the Titans, this has to be the most surprising pick of the first round. Carpenter played two seasons for Alabama and was a solid, dependable guard. He’s really not what you’re looking for in a first-round pick, though.
Many considered Carpenter a likely second rounder at best. To see him go in the first round is peculiar.
I’d rather have NO’s 2nd rounder + 2012 1st rounder than Danny Watkins. That’s the proper value.
Belicheck = Genius. He needs to retire
@Triumph
Well, no shit. But it’s our jobs as fanatical Bird’s fans to dissect everything about the pick…down to Watkins’ form carrying victims out of burning buildings.
Looks like Seattle couldn’t get a deal done to trade down and reached for Carpenter since Watkins the higher rated G by most was already off the board. Maybe the Eagles couldn’t trade down after all, and doesn’t look like Watkins would have been there even a few picks later.
And Rhino, maybe that’s why the Pats just traded out and why the Eagles had to take him at 23
Even though I disagreed, the rest of the NFL felt that Watkins was a 1st round pick. If I go along with that opinion over mine than Watkins was my favorite offensive lineman as a player.
Ben Ijalana is the guy who I thought might have the most upside, but he is going to need some time.
@Alohadelphia – they don’t call me “No Shit Sherlock” for nothing.
There goes Carimi, to da Bears
Carimi could play LT on that cow pasture the Bears call a field. Better fit at RT though.
This is gonna be Mo Wilkerson. Great situation for him.
Well, I’ve made my feelings on Watkins clear. That said, I’ll be a big fan of his, as I’m now counting on him to be a very good or Pro Bowl caliber RG. At the very least, he better win the job early and not have the same learning curve that others might have had.
Go back up and get me Dowling or Aaron Williams (or both) and I’ll be okay.
Curious to see GB and PIT. Solid teams that make smart picks.
Arby,
I never even gave Watkins a second thought for the Eagles because I assumed he was going to be a Patriot who were eyeing him up to replace Mankins. He seemed like the classic Belichick selection to me.
I don’t think there’s any question that Seattle would’ve taken Watkins at #25 if he was on the board. In that sense, the Eagles must’ve gotten the guy they wanted. Clearly, Smith had abortioned himself right off the board. I still think the Eagles could come to regret that, but my tune will change mighty quickly if we get a Dowling or Curtis Brown in the 2nd tomorrow night.
I’m just sitting here, asking myself just how bad Da’Quan Bowers’ knee must be for him to still be on the board. If reports are to be believed, Jimmy Smith was practically Jared Leto in “Requiem for a Dream” and still got drafted by the Ravens. I can’t help but feel bad for Bowers. We’re talking millions, and millions of dollars here for a kid that had nothing but a medical deficiency. He didn’t pull a Benicio Del Toro in “Fear and Loathing” like Jimmy Smith.
Mcud,
Agreed on Watkins re the learning curve. The whole selling point on him to overlook the age was the ready from Day 1 factor. He definitely should be ready to play early. No 3 year learning curves like with Winston Justice.
Just about all PIT 1st round picks become quality starters or pro bowlers. Chances are Hayward becomes a 10 year starter. They usually take guys that make logical sense to everyone, too.
I wish we had half as good a track record in round 1 as they do…
I would have had no problem with the pick if he was 21 or 22 or even 23 years old.
But you just can NOT use a top 25 pick on a 27 year old. it is BEYOND retarded.
Who ever said it’s all about value is right on. This is terrible value. You could get him in the 2nd. Or maybe even the 3rd. The draft is about finding long term starters. Unless this kid plays at a high level until he is 37 years old, we aren’t getting a lot in return.
More so, the kid has to step in and start right away, because if he doesn’t you’ve lost literally 20% of his expected playing career.
This was a serious miscalculation. I thought Eagle45 made a great point on the EMB. Wouldn’t the Patriots have gladly traded us Mankins for that pick? He’s the same age, and already a probowler.
TEW,
Watkins was getting drafted in the 1st round tonight by somebody. I have been questioning his value for months due to his age, but frankly the rest of the NFL disagreed with me.
You, me, Mcud, Tommy, etc might question the value at #23, but most NFL scouts did not.
“You could get him in the 2nd. Or maybe even the 3rd.”
No, you couldn’t. He probably would’ve been gone by #25.
Honestly, the age thing doesn’t bother me. Of any position in the NFL, offensive linemen have the longest legs. If he lives up to his draft status, Watkins will still be an effective player well into the life of his 2nd contract. We’re not drafting a 27-year-old runningback here.
The larger concern would be that he was a college LT who is only a few years into playing American football. But I have faith in the Eagles coaching staff, specifically Reid and Mudd, to know what they’re doing here. If they felt the kid was worth taking at #23, then, hell… so do I.
For the record, he was #26 on my big board. A -3 in total value for a 1st round pick is actually pretty good, especially compared to a number of the other 1st round picks tonight.
Rhino and I were discussing Watkins as a 1st rounder back in Jan or Feb. He would go nuts every time I suggested it was even possible.
If you are getting microfracture surgery, that’s extremely serious. It means you have bone-on-bone with the knees producing no cartilage, and a surgeon essentially takes an awl and creates little fractures in the knee hoping to coax the knee into creating new cartilage.
It’s never as good as the original cartilage, and sometimes after a couple of years they have to do it again.
Just to repeat, I am okay with this pick assuming that Watkins is what I thought he was…the most NFL ready offensive lineman in this draft.
If he struggles early, and is slow to adjust to the NFL, I reserve the right to change my opinion. He needs to be a better than average starter by his 2nd season.
Eagles discussed Da’Quan Bowers at 23, but I’m glad they passed on him. We don’t have good luck with knees.
I do feel bad for Bowers. Oh well. He’ll be drafted eventually and he’ll have his chance to prove the doubters wrong.
Good night everybody!
One last note. Mel has Ras-I Dowling as the 5th best CB remaining. Do you all agree with this? I hear a lot of folks wanting to trade up into the early 2nd round to take him. Don’t think he’ll be around for the 10th pick of the 2nd round (which we got from the Redskins)?
Spadaro just threw up a quote from Rick Gosselin calling Watkins the safest pick in the entire draft.
he’s too fat to play hockey
@ MF Joe…
Big Red and me don’t appreciate you making fat jokes. Apologize or we’ll eat you.
OK, I’ve let the pick settle…
If he steps in from week one and gives us near pro bowl quality play, I can see the pick making sense. But even one season of development amounts to 20% of his likely shelf life.
@TEW, he’s got low mileage on those wheels… might last longer than you think.
Thommy, I’ll go straight to your thighs.
Spuds would call his wife the safest pick in the draft. I no longer take Spadaro’s words with “a grain of salt,” I take them with “a chunk of rabbit shit.”
I’m a massive Dowling fan. #22 on my big board. I live in Virginia Beach, VA… by way of Wilkes-Barre. I get every UVA game locally on TV, and I’ve been to 3 of Dowling’s contests in person. I can say, with confidence, that had injuries not derailed his Senior season he would’ve been taken before Amukamara. I think he’s a very nice fit opposite Samuels, allowing us to keep Hanson rightfully in the slot and groom the likes of Lindley and Hughes.
So, I’ve let it settle for awhile but yeah, still terrible.
And the fact that Ozzie Newsome was comfortable with Jimmy Smith pretty much confirms in my mind that he will become a great NFL defender…at a position that couldn’t be more of a need for us.
This pick reminds me of the Mike Patterson one. Probably a solid player, but not going to have any real impact on wins and losses.
My personal philosophy on the draft just runs completely counter to the Eagles on a pick like this. First rounders are for guys with the potential to be game changers. You don’t spend one on an interior offensive linemen from Canada, especially when your team doesn’t really run the ball, has the best O-line coach in the league and is built around the most mobile quarterback in NFL history.
Eagles had very few issues scoring points last year. But the defense lacks talent and is simply not playoff-caliber. Today, in my opinion, we veered further off the track to building a Super Bowl worthy D.
“You don’t spend one on an interior offensive linemen […] especially when your team […] has the best O-line coach in the league […].”
That fact, actually, is the very reason I’m tempering my “OMFG” urge to freak out about this pick. Mudd knows what he’s doing. He’s been in and around the NFL the majority of his adult life. If there’s someone in this league who can see what an offensive lineman can be in this league, it’s Howard Mudd. Jeff Saturday was a discard. Mudd saw what he could be and made him into a Pro Bowler.
In Mudd We Trust…