Late Night Update
Posted: July 27th, 2011 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 34 Comments »Phoenix sportscaster Tim Ring wrote this on Twitter:
“SOURCE: Eagles tring to squeeze Cards for a 1st round pick plus DRC. Cardinals currently offering DRC and 2nd. Man, that’s a rough call.”
That’s interesting news, if true. I’m not familiar with Ring, but he is a Phoenix guy so I’m hoping he has good sources. I don’t blame the Eagles for trying to get a maximum return on Kolb, but they also need to be careful. There is a limited market for him and you need to balance that with trying to get as much as you can. I hope the Eagles are willing to settle for DRC and a 2nd. That’s fair. Getting the 1st would be ideal, but we don’t have ideal circumstances to deal with. If this was pre-draft and we had multiple suitors, you could demand a maximum bounty. That’s just not the case.
Before everyone starts bashing Joe/Howie/Andy for this, let’s see what happens on Wednesday. If we come away from this with DRC and a 2nd, that’s a good deal. If the guys don’t back off the reported demand for a 1st and the deal starts to fall apart, that’s when criticism becomes completely fair. Howie has worked trades with a bunch of teams in the last 15 or so months. I think he knows the art of the deal. We’ll see.
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Free Agency updates:
CB Ike Taylor re-signed with PIT.
OT Doug Free re-signed with DAL.
LB Paul Posluszny signed with JAX.
OL Marshall Yanda re-signed with BAL.
DE Charles Johnson re-signed with CAR.
The Skins signed DT Barry Cofield away from the Giants. Seems like odd match to me. Cofield likes to attack upfield. I don’t see him as a NT type. WAS thinks different. Now that they’ve got Cofield, any chance they’ll let Big Al go free? Doesn’t sound like it. Folks in DC think Shanny will do anything he can to keep Al from landing in Philly.
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Reuben Frank reported on CSN that the Eagles might not let all the FAs go. Here’s the key part:
A team official who’s involved in negotiations and contracts said a report by the Philadelphia Inquirer that the Eagles will not re-sign any of their unrestricted free agents is premature.
“It’s just too early in the process to make all those decisions,” he said. “Most of those decisions haven’t been made yet.”
That is poor phrasing from the source. I think what they’re trying to say is that the team is letting the players go test the market to see what kind of other offers are out there. We’re not getting into a bidding war for Stewart Bradley. If he looks around and can’t get a good offer, maybe we re-sign him to a 1-year deal. That kind of thing.
The Eagles have known what they might spend on player for a while now. The one thing hey didn’t know was what other teams might be willing to do.
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No word on the Eagles and outside free agents yet. I’m hoping something will happen on Wednesday. Some think DE Ray Edwards will be the big target. I’m still expecting DE Jason Babin.
On the confusing state of RB, doesn’t it suggest that either one of Westy (1st) or Bucky (2nd) seems the likely target? Westy has already mentioned his interest.
Hey Tommy,
get some rest. Will be a long day tonight.
Wonder if you thought about players the Eagles might release. Weaver maybe because of his injury (Would hate it)? Hanson because of his salary?
How do you see Juqua Parkers chances of making the team this year?
Charles Johnson is gonna be PISSED when he finds out that he will be dropping into coverage on 3rd and 25
If that’s really the deal, then why not just make it DRC and a 1st if they make the playoffs, otherwise it’s a 2nd?
The Cards with a legit QB have a pretty good chance of winning that division, despite the terrifying array of QBs the Seahawks can boast.
Tommy
I totally agree with you. The Eagles have to be very very CAREFUL to not get too greedy with this whole Kolb thing. As the Seahawks are out of the Corn-on-the-Kolb sweepstakes now the demand for Kevin’s services is decreasing every minute.
If we don’t see Kolb getting traded today I am afraid the Eagles will have overplayed their “Cards”…
Also I have come up with my personal wishlist re veteran Free Agent RBs:
1. Reggie Bush
2. Ronnie Brown
3. Cadillac Williams
4. Darren Sproles
5. Joseph Addai
6. Clinton Portis
7. Cedric Benson
8. Brian Westbrook
9. Correll Buckhalter
10. Julius Jones/Ricky Williams
What do you think?!
10. Ricky Williams
I personally would love to land Clinton Portis. He’s a much more physical runner than anyone we have on our roster and he will help keep Vick upright. He is also a guy that can start if needed while splitting carries with one of these more elusive rookie RBs.
I cannot remember a year where we signed so many highly rated UDFA. Anyone have any ideas about the change in approach?
I think Peter King is a dope, but what if he’s right about Us needing to keep Kolb?
Cards open camp tomorrow. If they don’t get kolb today he’s not going n they will move on.
re: RBs
I gotta say I kind of excited that we seem to be looking more at getting backs for our system and less complimentary backs.
@TSA
He is also going to be pissed when he realizes he passed up a chance not to play in Carolina.
@Chris
My guess is that Weaver is gone, from football altogether, Parker could easily be cut, but I think Hanson comes back. He is good in the slot and our cup is not exactly running over at the CB spot.
@German Eagle
I don’t know, I know they expanded preseason rosters to 90 and all, but that seems to be an awful lot of aging running backs to add to the team.
Seriously, though, I am wondering if we are putting more stock in the need for veteran leadership from the backups than the team is. It does not seem to have been a concern at LB or S, I wonder if we sign an aging RB at all or if we go with a stable of young guys.
re: Kolb
I am going to have faith. Everyone was saying we didn’t pull the trigger fast enough on McNabb and were going to be in trouble, but that seems to have worked out okay.
I am not worried even if we just sit on Kolb for the year. Who knows if that may end up with fortune smiling on us. The deal for a pick into that crappy division has to be a conditional high pick, as the likelihood of a 2 being somewhere around the 56th – 60th pick is in play. That plus the year later devaluation of the pick really means that there needs to be some push for a high rounder, even if it is on some unlikely conditional basis.
“Charles Johnson is gonna be PISSED when he finds out that he will be dropping into coverage on 3rd and 25”.
That is hilarious! (and true).
Looking at the buzz this morning, I don’t think we’ll have a problem moving Kolb if the Cards pass on him. I bet the Seahawks would still take him in a second; Leinart and Jackson are not starting QBs. That position can’t be considered “filled” to their satisfaction. Who else is out there? Kyle Orton is Brad Johnson, and you ain’t winning a championship with him unless your defense eats people and spits turnovers. Donny sure looks done (even if our opinions differ there). Carson palmer is still technically off the market (although if he comes on it, Kolb loses value.)
Kolb is really the only QB available with even the potential of becoming a legit long-term starter right now.
“Before everyone starts bashing Joe/Howie/Andy”
Why wait? Clearly another example of “I’m the smartest guy in the room syndrome.”
Maybe Mike Brown changes his mind and ships Carson Palmer off to AZ – would serve them right.
@ TSA +1,000 pts for hilarious and true comment on the Charles Johnson signing.
If the Redskins land Cullen Jenkins (whom they are supposedly still pursing after singing Cofield) one would have to consider them a lock to do something with Albert… Can we make an offer, or do we have to wait till he is released?
Wow, I thought I was being greedy asking for DRC + a 3rd… I would be totally pumped for a conditional 1st/2nd contingent upon their making the playoffs or not.
I’m personally still high on Darren Sproles as our 2nd string RB. Then again, I’ve never seen how well he handles blocking duties… if he totally fails at that then his value greatly decreases.
I agree with @theguyotc…. let’s counter offer with a 2nd/conditional 1st with markers that make it fair for us to get the possible 1st (Unlike Donovan’s conditional pick)
A 1st and DRC for Kolb is a steep price, but hey if the FO can pull it off great. But at the end of the day I’d bet they would take a 2nd and DRC, which is why there was no reason for Cardinals to rush into that deal.
Guys
how can it be that the Jets are seriously after Nnamdi Asomugha if they have already the best CB (Darrelle Revis)?!
If they also sign the 2nd best corner of the NFL the Jets will be my absolute favourite to reach the Super Bowl this season.
“how can it be that the Jets are seriously after Nnamdi Asomugha if they have already the best CB (Darrelle Revis)?!”
Because Rex Ryan is not a man to pass up a marshmallow.
How about Green-Ellis for our 2nd string RB?
Revis-Asomugha would be terrifying. Good thing for New England they don’t use their one and two recievers anyway. Might be time to look hard at Woodhead/Welker/Gronkowski in your fantasy league!
Getting quite bored of the Eagles doing nothing now, in the long run as long as they get good deals I’ll be happy but they’ve done NOTHING but agree to terms with UDFA so far. Snore.
Re: Here we go again
That sounds like a philly.com post. Now ur gonna say something like “joe nickels banner thinks he is the gold standard”
Just take a deep breath. There is a reason Andy Reid runs an NFL organization and we are posting on a website.
i have a feeling we dont pick up a rb unless it is a good deal on Bush. we drafted a rb and this devine kid is supposed to be the best of the undrafted.
Hey, when every membmer of the front office talked about the Eagles’ aggressive offseason plan, did they for get to add the word “passive” in there?
Lets say the cards deal falls through…what kind of deal could we get with the 49ers and nate clements? nate and a 1st (and maybe a 3)?
Since the Jets just re-signed Santonio Holmes, it look unlikely that they could also sign Asomugha. Or could they?
I’m thinking that the Eagles hold the advantage in negotiations with the Cardinals. Walking away from the table hurts the Eagles much less than Arizona at this point. If the Birds walk away, they will be left with an extremely capable backup QB, and the resources to sign Asomugha. The Cards will then have to scramble to sign Orton or Vince Young. Whose shoes would you rather be in?
Kolb and Asante for Patrick Peterson, DRC, and a 2nd anyone? LOL
@Boyboy
Hahaha, nailed it.
That is all.
(That and I really like Noel Devine’s highlights, could he replace Chad Hall?)
They better get this done. What a disappointing start to this supposedly aggressive offseason plan. Where is the aggression? Where is the fast pace? I guess there is no real urgency after all once the camp bodies were signed.
They still could be working on filling the other holes, but they can’t really address CB until they determine if they are going to finalize this deal or not.
Why can’t they do a conditional pick based on Kolb’s performance? Take the second, but make it a first if he hits some agreed metrics for performance.
What about getting the contracts done with 7 and 10?? BTW, if you think DSJ is going to report again and play for $565K, you are out of your mind. He would be a fool. Give him a deal and be done with that.
I just threw up in my mouth:
Dallas is trying to sign David Akers…
Just because we haven’t seen any ‘confirmed’ signings, or the Kolb trade being finalised, doesn’t mean that the FO aren’t being aggressive.
We don’t know who else the Eagles are trying to bring in yet, apart from DRC in the Kolb deal.
Until Friday, at the earliest, I don’t think that we can say the FO aren’t being agressive.
@ MrHand – I’d sign up for that.
@ GermanEagle,
That’s ok, let him make every kick under 45 yards for them, and watch him choke if there’s a pressure kick in a meaningful game. Hell, we all remember the playoffs against Green Bay last year, but does anyone remember the 35 yarder he missed against the Giants in 2002 that almost cost us the #1 seed in the playoffs? Luckily, there was some fluky upset a week later that allowed us to back into that #1 seed.
Really, if anyone can tell me when he made a big kick in a meaningful game, I’d love to know. Any 50 yard buzzer beaters? I can’t think of any.
Incase it’s not coming across, yeah, I never liked the dude.
I disagree. I think a lack of signings and a lack of a Kolb deal being done means nothing has yet been done. At this point, that is disappointing.
All I see is a trade asset being substantially devalued and holes all over the team not being filled.
The team still has no starting right CB, way too much youth and inexperience at LB and S with no proven guys, only one good pass rusher at DE, a bottom 3 NFL right tackle (at one of the AR “most important positions on the team”), question marks at G and C and no NFL backup RB.
Assuming they do trade Kolb, they will need a backup QB as well.
Lot of work to do in 15 days… the lack of activity by now is a concern. I expected if they were going for it that they would have addressed something by now.
Although I am not willing to press the panic button yet, I happen to agree with John C.
John C and German eagles, remember there’s 2 sides to supply and demand. Every QB that sign decreases the supply, and there are fewer starting quality QBs out there than teams that want one, so really every one of these roster spots that get filled increases his value.
And I still say there’s no way anyone in Seattle looks at Leinart and Jackson and says “yeah, one of those guys’ll be our starter.” Neither one has ever been a halfway competent starter.