Rumor du Jour: Eagles Want Pick #4?

Posted: April 13th, 2012 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 50 Comments »

Mary Kay Cabot is an outstanding beat writer for the Cleveland Browns.  She posted an interesting report tonight that the Eagles and Rams are two teams that have been in contact with the Browns in regard to trading up for the #4 pick.  If Mary Kay reports it, I trust her.  That said, this could be bogus information that someone is feeding her.  If Cleveland does want to trade the pick, they need a market.  Best way to get one is by getting out the name of some suitors.  Is Tom Heckert feeding her rumors?  Could be.  That guy is CIA-good when it comes to gathering intel and spreading rumors prior to the draft.

For fun, let’s say the report is completely legit.  Who are the Eagles looking at?

* QB Ryan Tannehill – I tend to doubt the Eagles would move up this high for him.  I think the Eagles like him, but more in terms of a guy who slides down closer to 15.  Still, we know Big Red loves his QBs.  If he loves Tannehill, who knows.  Never put anything past Reid when it comes to QBs.

* CB Morris Claiborne – I can see the Eagles loving this guy.  Claiborne has elite ball skills.  He picked off 11 passes in just 2 years as a starter.  Claiborne is dangerous when he gets the ball.  He averaged 25 yards per INT return and had one TD.  Claiborne can play the slot.  He lined up on the inside on a semi-regular basis at LSU.  They liked to move him around.  Claiborne also is a good KOR.  He averaged 25 yards per KOR and had a TD.

* OT Matt Kalil – If he gets by MIN…still doesn’t make sense to me.

* RB Trent Richardson – Another one that doesn’t make sense to me.

* DT Fletcher Cox – Figuring out Cox’s value is tough.  I think it is doubtful that he gets to pick 15, but moving all the way up to #4 seems a bit much.  I would think Cox would make more sense in a trade up with JAX at #7.

* WR Justin Blackmon – I do love Blackmon as a prospect.  And he is something we don’t have…a big, physical WR.  Much as I like him, I would not endorse moving up to pick 4 for him.

One thing to remember in regard to this report is that there are other reports talking about how as many as 5 of the Top 10 teams want to trade back.  Forget about IND and WAS and you have 5 of 8.  If true, that is a buyer’s market.  The trade value chart may show that the Eagles would need both 2nd round picks for the deal.  That’s only true in a seller’s market.

What if the Eagles could move up for a 2nd and a 3rd?  Maybe they decide that is worth it.

The other thing to remember is that this could just be idle talk.  We know Howie Roseman (and most GMs) call other teams all the time to probe for information.  This involves trade talks, up and down.  If the Eagles covet Claiborne, why not call and see what it would cost to get him.  If the price is right, maybe you pull the trigger.  At the worst, you get a feel for what the Browns are asking for.  That could help in trade talks with other teams.

The Eagles don’t have a lot of NEEDS in the upcoming draft.  The goal is to add as many good players as possible.  If you can get an elite player at a reasonable price, go for it.

Don’t go into Tannehill panic.


50 Comments on “Rumor du Jour: Eagles Want Pick #4?”

  1. 1 4Who said at 9:15 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Claiborne would be great. Would it make any sense to say the 4th pick for the 15th, a 2nd, and Samuels? I was thinking Tampa would be a better suitor for that kind of trade. They can use Samuels, have the money and have the 5th pick that hopefully would land Claiborne.

  2. 2 M0rton said at 9:55 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Why would you trade a ton of picks for a good, but not great CB prospect when you already have two talented CBs on the roster already?

    And CB is one of the great strengths of this draft class? There will be plenty of nice CBs available at #15, or even in the second round.

  3. 3 Patrick Clausen said at 8:39 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Patrick Peterson might have been LSUs best athlete at CB, but the best cover guy was Claiborne. I agree that Claiborne isn’t “elite”, but he’s damn close.

    Claiborne is also the only one of the top prospects(Jenkins, Kirkpatrick, Gilmore), who can handle playing in the slot, and he is still a more talented player. Other players like Boykin and Hosley are equally good slot corners, but at this time, they arent any where near the talent level that Claiborne is.

    Didn’t you argue in several post, that DRC is a scrubby dub and we shouldn’t extend him? Then i don’t se how you pass getting a near blue chip player, in a buyers market.

    The draft is strong at CB, OLB and DT. All of those have very good depth, but the only big time players is Claiborne. Neither Cox nor Zach Brown or any of the other OLB are anywhere close.

  4. 4 Jason said at 10:08 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Yeah I agree, I think Samuel is the wildcard here. If Tampa took Samuel and pick #46 to swap from #5 down to #15, that would give Samuel the equivalent value of pick #61. Or if the deal included #51 instead of #46, then Samuel would be worth pick #56. Wouldn’t a low 2nd value be pretty good for Asante at this point? Or if it’s Cleveland taking that trade, take 20 spots off each pick ie. value would be a high 2nd round for Asante.

    Agree with Tyler about Claiborne having value in that he can cover the slot, that doesn’t screw around the other corners as much, Marsh and DRC in particular. Would NOT like it to be Tannehill at #4/5, but I think Claiborne would be a decent return. Kalil I guess as well.

    If trade doesn’t include Asante, I’m not quite as interested…

  5. 5 Tyler Phillips said at 9:30 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Interesting. If they covet Claiborne they would definitely need to get to 4 or 5. If its Cox or Tannehill then 7 makes more sense.

    Claiborne would fill a couple of needs; considering that, wouldn’t it be logical to give up a couple picks to move up. Returner, Slot CB, Future CB Starter (and since he can play the slot they won’t need to scrap their Marsh project). I’d say that’s the kind of guy you move up 11 spots for. And if they can’t? Then they could still potentially move up and get Cox/Tannehill.

    Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon.

  6. 6 M0rton said at 9:54 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Shooting for the moon is what the Redskins did in trading up for an elite, highly productive, highly skilled QB prospect in Griffin. They paid alot, but the target was worth it as a prospect.

    Trading up for Tannehill, Kalil, or Claiborne would be like shooting for a low-flying hot-air balloon. None of these players are remotely worth a massive trade-up, and are probably not even worth a top-10 pick.

  7. 7 Tyler Phillips said at 10:24 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Potentially strengthening 3 positions with one highly skilled player. Yea that’s not worth anything.

  8. 8 deg0ey said at 5:46 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I’ll admit to having not studied his game, but many people are suggesting Claiborne has a pretty good chance of being the best CB in the league. If the Eagles think these people are right, then they would be wise to go get him.

  9. 9 bridgecoach said at 9:41 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    This is an effort by Cleveland to scare Miami into believing that they may lose Tannehill – nothing more.

  10. 10 TommyLawlor said at 9:59 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Very possible.

  11. 11 M0rton said at 9:52 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    There is no earthly reason whatsoever to move up to #4.

    That’s clearly too high for anyone but Tannehill, Kalil, or Claiborne. And none of those prospects is remotely worth a gigantic trade package, much less a top-5 pick. Tannehill is a mediocre QB prospect with huge bust potential. Kalil is a great OT prospect,. but as we’ve seen with the past several Super Bowl winners, OTs are greatly overrated. Claiborne is a decent CB prospect but not nearly the prospect that say, Patrick Peterson was, and probalby not worth a top-5 pick.

    This is extremely troubling.

    If this is real, and the Eagles target one of those aforementioned prospects, then it will be an utterly disastrous move for the franchise not only short term, but long term.

  12. 12 Tyler Phillips said at 10:20 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Who said it would be a gigantic trade package? #15, 2nd and 3rd. Reid and Co. value CBs. Claiborne could offer short (Slot/injury insurance) and long term(Nnamdi’s replacement) value. That’s in addition to return skill. They could then address DT( possibly the deepest position in the draft) in the 2nd. Your logic is flawed.

  13. 13 D3Keith said at 12:09 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I don’t like the idea of moving up to 4, but I think this is BS or it’s a feeler from the Eagles so I’m not too worried.

    I guess when you dont need-need a starter out of the draft, moving either way is a possibility, but I really think it would be dumb for the Eagles to burn either of those 2s for a player they dont need. The Claiborne idea is intriguing, and I like Tannehill if the price is right.

    But if a lot of teams are trying to trade back, it makes sense we’d call around & price things. So if We called about the 4, I’m sure we called about a bunch of other picks between there and 15. No need to jump up to 4.

    I really hope they use both 2s. We could get some pretty huge help around 50. Wouldn’t be surprised if they failed to get 3 guys the first 2 rounds, which is a major luxury.

  14. 14 Patrick Clausen said at 8:41 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I’ll say it again. Peterson might be the better athlete and hence a better prospect, but Claiborne is a better coverage CB.

  15. 15 ian_no_2 said at 11:14 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Morton had nothing to be troubled by this weekend until you posted this rumor.

    I like the idea of moving up for Claiborne if they don’t overpay.

  16. 16 JRO91 said at 10:19 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Thank you Flyers….two more games and I can drive around Pittsburgh without dealing with these fans.

  17. 17 TommyLawlor said at 11:10 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Great game.

  18. 18 wee2424 said at 10:34 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    The only one that I can see them doing this for is Claiborne.

  19. 19 TommyLawlor said at 11:12 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    He makes the most sense from an outside perspective. Everyone loves Claiborne. Tannehill is the mystery guy because we don’t know just how much teams really like him. I tend to think #4 is too high for him, but he’s a QB. You never know.

  20. 20 wee2424 said at 1:44 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    In agreance. Think that is to high for Tannehill, but you never know with the Eagles and QB’. Ala Kolb and Vick, even Mcnab to an extent. Everyone wanted Williams.

    Either way, can’t wait for draft, this just adds to the suspense.

  21. 21 Dewey said at 10:51 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    I think it’s either a smokescreen or Tannehill. Eagles probably feel they won’t be this close to a franchise QB again anytime soon. Vick’s getting older. Go for it, when you can.

    It being an elite QB.

    There may be a ton of potential good QBs in next year’s draft, but the Eagles could be picking in the last five picks.

  22. 22 TommyLawlor said at 11:10 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    #32, hopefully.

  23. 23 Arby1 said at 11:10 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    “Rumor du Jour: Eagles Want Pick #4?”

    What is this – ‘Red Meat Fridays’?

  24. 24 TommyLawlor said at 11:45 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Sorry. We were out of the Soup du Jour.

  25. 25 D3Keith said at 11:56 PM on April 13th, 2012:

    Like you can even tell an Eagles fan not to panic.

    It’s what we do, mang!

  26. 26 TommyLawlor said at 12:08 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Hopeless…like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

  27. 27 Joe Taylor said at 2:23 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Why would the Rams want to trade to 4? Blackmon should fall to them and that’s the main player they want, right? They have been linked to wanting Trent Richardson but they could get Doug Martin in the 2nd round and have their RB of the future. While he’s no Trent Richardson, he’s no bum either?

    I think if the rumor is true, the Eagles would want to move up for Claiborne. Nnamdi is not slowing down yet but he’s on the wrong side of 30. DRC is solid and still has potential and at times, showed he can be great last season. With that being said, who knows if the FO see’s him in our long term future. Maybe they like him but not enough to commit to a long term contract unless he has a good season next year. Asante will be gone next season. Behind Nnamdi and DRC, we have depth but no one that can start if need. Hughes seems like a 4th CB and Marsh has potential but who knows if he can ever be a good starter.

    Claiborne makes a lot of sense to me. Tommy says he’s capable of playing in the slot and that’s great. He can stay there until Nnamdi retires/gets cut/gets hurt or if DRC is gone after next season.

  28. 28 metaReign said at 4:30 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    From the get-go, Eagles have nine (9) picks going into the draft, I would expect the FO would use every one of those picks throughout the draft and get as much talents they can get their hands on. Although, they don’t have much of any glaring needs, to give up some picks for the sake of investing a well caliber player at a position, where he’s toned and primed.

    After that pick, u can watch all those other projected players slips through our fingers like sand. All those, could’ve, would’ve had so and so, for upgrade, backup, future sound players is definitely so out of reach. Or are there those projects in the later round, nobody has any familiarity of, possible, something to think about down the stretch.

    The first 2 positive picks in the draft, without a doubt, the most accurate NFL ready QB Andrew Luck and the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III, both are toned and primed for their on-field abilities as high caliber franchises of the future. We will learn their worth as soon as the season begins, how well both protects themselves at the elite level.

    I don’t know much in the way, whether or not Ryan Tannehill is worth in the top 5. As with Peyton Manning controlling his unit, Tannehill could be one that uses his unit’s abilities to some success. What he gets from the Eagles offensive unit is not a comparison to what he had to use in college, that in itself could help him develop into a position he can be comftable with executing the playbook. With his once but not forgotten, playing as a WR, could give him the advantages to understand his receivers timing to get in the open. I’m guessing he’s a timing coordinated type of QB, that knows how long it takes for his throw to reach it’s target, before his target gets a good look that the ball is on it’s way. I’ll not sure what AR saw in him at camp, I’m not convince to how Tannehill should be in the top 5, top 10.

    As with RGIII being the Heisman trophy winner, a well respected #2 overall, so could the most decorated college defensive player, ever, be the well deserved top 5 candidate? Luke Kuechly, could easily earn it. Pro scouts sees him more in the top 10. My guess is what they see on film than the numbers he accumulated in his 3 years of college. Maybe they see him as an east-west LB, rather than a downhill LB, to not project him in the top 5. There won’t be another most decorated college defensive player in awhile, the Eagles needs LB’s who can tackle. I’m not too fond of the infamous “Bump and Hit” technique, I’ve seen ball carriers gets leverage and continue on. I’m not sure AR would put a package in for Luke, in the top 5. As the saying goes, u can’t have ’em all, it’s a fair shake straight down to line.

    The Eagles are in need of CB, who can be versatile outside and in the slot, isn’t afraid to make the tackle. I believe, Morris Claiborne fits that bill and can contribute both sides of the field, as the need arises. As long as Asante Samuel is still an Eagle, he has the upper-hand over Claiborne, until Morris can play the field for a good 6 games or more. This is a position we need help in, he happens to be the best CB in this year’s draft class. Because CB are rank high in this pass-happy NFL league, it’s worthy having the best CB to lineup in the top 5 position. Since the Eagles pretty much have most positions covered, could AR be interested in packaging for a CB and having our defense up to par with our offense?

    I’m really not too keen in putting up a package to move up, but if FO believes that it’s the best choice to go, they’regoing to do it. Next season’s draft will be all about upgrading specific positions, when this season’s is over. FO has been exceptional this off season, minimizing the needs before the draft. With both Washburn and Mudd, they have worked with players drafted in the late rounds and made something good and decent out of them.

    If this packaging scenario does go in effect, we’re going watch players we wanted on the Eagles go to other teams. I don’t fancy the thought of it, but the game must go on. Scary though, trust in the FO, Washburn and Mudd, we’ve got a good thing going.

  29. 29 Cliff said at 9:14 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Dude…

  30. 30 laeagle said at 12:14 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    Agreed.

  31. 31 deg0ey said at 5:50 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    As Jimmy (I think) pointed out on BGN, the Rams had a similar offer from the Browns as from the Skins when they wanted to trade back from #2 and they chose to drop back to 6 instead of 4, presumably because they want Blackmon and expect him to still be there. I don’t see Tampa picking him at #5, so why would they want to trade back up? If they wanted to be at #4, they’d have taken it weeks ago when it was offered to them.

  32. 32 D3Keith said at 6:58 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    That is a pretty good point. They could have played the Redskins’ offer against the Browns and not pounced so quickly if they were really concerned about getting up to 4.

    I don’t doubt these calls get placed. I do doubt who actually intends to do these supposed deals.

  33. 33 eagleizeit said at 6:28 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    They might be thinking of tradeing DRC if they don’t sign him since they could get possibly a late 1st to mid 2nd for him, rather than nothing if they wait a yr and he walks as a FA. I really hope they sign him soon and think its more important than signing Shady since they know Shadys worth putting the franchise tag on and they can quickly sign him next yr; which they probably can’t with DRC. Also at the RB position it seems to be the trend now to have the player finish his contract no matter how good they are. Ray Rice went to two Pro Bowls and is the most important player on their O the past 3 yrs yet they made him finish his rookie contract; he was a 2nd rd pick like Shady. Matt Forte they made wait and weren’t to nice to him this offseason for some reason. Then there was the Pro Bowler from the Texans as well. I can’t think of a possible handful of young Pro Bowlers that got signed a yr early. CB’s for some reason have become a lot more important of a position. If we can’t sign DRC soon, even though I like him a lot, we should trade him for an early 2nd rather than nothing in a yr.

  34. 34 JC2K said at 6:30 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I’m really impressed with the way HR is working every angle in the off-season. He’s got the strategic vision of a General but the tactical moves of a seasoned Sergeant!

  35. 35 Sandeep Balabbigari said at 7:41 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I think Claiborne would be the best pick at 4. He automatically upgrades the slot corner position and KOR, and gives competition at PR. Plus, in the future, when Nnamdi is a little too slow for the outside, we could move Claiborne to the outside and give Nnamdi another shot at being Charles Woodson.

  36. 36 JRO91 said at 7:56 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    This move would set this Franchise back at least 5.3777777 years!!!!

  37. 37 TommyLawlor said at 9:18 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Check your math. Forgot to carry the 2.

  38. 38 D3Keith said at 7:28 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    This franchise sets itself back every year come playoff time, no need to stress about what we do on draft day!

  39. 39 jayanglada said at 9:17 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Tommy
    Our multiple picks in the first two rounds are like gold. I’d hate to give up any of them unless we can acquire a true game changer, and other than Luck and RG3 none of the rest of the top six seems to deserve that status.

    When looking at those prospects who grade out in the 10-20 range do you see Kirkpatrick as a potentially strong outside corner and a capable early slot corner? You have noted his tackling skill, but does the rest of his profile fit that of a strong slot corner? It would seem likely that we can obtain a quality near-term starter at 15, and certainly slot corner is a position of need and high value, especially if the player has the capability to move into an outside corner role in a couple of years. The interest in Kirkpatrick assumes that Cox and Kuechly carry a value higher than 12 and will gone by the time we choose.

  40. 40 D3Keith said at 7:31 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    I’ve typed this sentence myself:
    “Our multiple picks in the first two rounds are like gold. I’d hate to give up any of them.”

    I don’t mind moving around a little to extract max value, but I want three players in the first two rounds. Don’t dare give up one of them to jump up a teeny bit in Round 1. With immediate needs that can be filled simply by staying put, we shouldn’t sacrifice any future gains … that said I’m all for giving up later picks to move around to get guys we love. I just think that 46 and 51 are really what can turn this from an okay draft to one we really appreciate a few years down the road.

  41. 41 NoDecaf said at 9:38 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Has it been that many weeks since the end of a miserable season that we have visions of what this or that prospect’s potential may accomplish down the road? There is no down the road for Andy Reid. The Eagles brass need to focus on immediate impact. In my eyes, that means Cox or Kuechly in rd 1, or a mixture of D. Wolfe, Boykin, Wagner following. That’s it. I know that the Birds do crazy crap on draft day but this year needs to be a science. Get NASA in here to crunch numbers and tell Porkins to stay on target.
    Better still, find out how much of a future we need to mortgage to get both Cox and Kuechly. ( Sounds like a puppet show.) No more holes, a solid line on both sides of the ball, a once in a generation quality tandem at WR and a full off season to come together. If it goes down any other way than the above, I’m shaking my head.

  42. 42 jayanglada said at 9:51 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    I think your four choices are perfect, but my concern is that to realistically get to Cox or Kuechly we may have to give away one of those invaluable seconds that we’d need to obtain Wagner, Boykin, or Wolfe.

  43. 43 NoDecaf said at 9:59 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Then besides our own homework, we have to do everyone else’s too. We do our due diligence to identify those guys value league-wide and do what it takes to butt in line.

  44. 44 GermanEagle said at 12:34 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    Megan Fox?!

  45. 45 Mac said at 9:41 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Along the research lines…

    Let’s not forget that the Eagles may well be planning to make a big jump in 2013. Draft values are changing drastically. You can’t have too much information: especially when you may be in the market for a new franchise QB and/or hunting a Honey Badger.

  46. 46 Outtenbucks said at 10:05 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    The great thing about your prospects, Tommy, is that at least two of them will be guaranteed to be available at #7, whic should give us a clue as to who they would be targeting if they move up to #4.

  47. 47 aub32 said at 11:36 AM on April 14th, 2012:

    Do you really think the eagles would be that interested in Blackmon with Desean locked up? Maclin is only an inch shorter and if I’m not mistaken a bit faster than Blackmon. Also do you any realistic trade scenario where we can dump Asante and grab Claiborne. I think that would solidify us at CB for years to come.

  48. 48 iskar36 said at 12:13 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    I don’t really buy this rumor much. That being said, if it is true, how would this be a buyers market. The rule itself says the Rams and Eagles are among several teams inquiring about the 4th draft pick. In other words, at least three teams are trying to trade up. Thus there will be competition for the pick, hence it will not be cheap and it is a sellers market.

  49. 49 D3Keith said at 7:32 PM on April 14th, 2012:

    Which is why you correctly sniffed it out as BS. It’s a seller trying to drum up interest in a seller’s market because it’s looking currently like a buyer’s market.

  50. 50 Daniel Suraci said at 1:40 PM on April 16th, 2012:

    I for one would really love for us to get Tannehill. I doubt Vick is going to play 12 games this season. I don’t trust Kafka or Edwards. And who knows that career ending concussion is coming? We need to start grooming someone ASAP.