PHI at PIT – 2nd Half Thread
Posted: October 7th, 2012 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 267 Comments »We’re down 10-0.
* Vick has a pair of costly fumbles.
* The OL is getting confused by some blitzes.
* Balanced offense so far. No complaints there.
* No big plays for the offense. Could use one (25 or more yds).
* Defense isn’t getting enough pressure on Big Ben. Might want to mix in more blitzes.
* PIT’s short passing game got going in the 2nd half. Need to adjust for that.
* We were down 17-7 at half vs BAL. This is still a very winnable game.
Let’s start small. How about some good kick coverage to start.
i would love to see a kick through the back of the end zone
That’ll work.
HOLY SHIT AMAZING KICK & COVERAGE!
gotta love colt anderson.
go colt, go!
So colt anderson DOES make a difference
Why are we getting away from Havali as the lead blocker for Shady? That was working why stop?
Ugh.
Well, it looks like we won’t have to deal with Big Ben scrambling.
Their running game is looking pretty good.
Zero pressure.
even when we have good coverage in the secondary, they still complete the pass. damn…
Thank the maker!
I’ll have to admit that was great chemistry between Ben and Wallace on that play.
Eagles once led 79-1 in yards.
Outgained about 180 – 30 after that.
oh my guh.
punt return team is almost laughably bad these days. can’t wait to see the penalty…
Is Nnamdi becoming a liability? Seems other teams are attacking him.
Becoming?!
Nnamdi is what he is. He is not Revis, but he can be good. No CB is gonna look good when the D-line is getting whipped.
Our return game is a joke
lets try this once again. last return was for a whopping 3 yards. lol
Agreed, and I bought in during the preseason. Shame on me.
He is averaging 5 yards a return. Why not Desean?
This will give us a chance to fumble the return…
Moten looking good so far. I believe he drew that penalty.
He did.
There’s always about 7 black jerseys waiting when Johnson catches the punt.
per joe buck – rekick cost us about 1 yard of field position. but hey, we got a nice punt return.
T-Law:
Has the NFL solved the Eagles’ version of the Wide 9?
Honestly, if that was against us, I would be pissed, but I’ll take it if we can jump start our offense.
i’d be pissed at whoever the defender was for leading with his helmet like that. either go in to wrap up or lead with your shoulder.
That wasn’t the penalty though. It was a “late hit”. In fact, I’m not even sure you can be called for helmet to helmet once the player is established as a runner.
Clark should get a fine, too.
interesting that on 3rd & 2, we run behind the two TE. someone on the OL got some awesome push on the left side too.
Watkins did something we can be happy about for once.
Let his man beat him so he could recover the resulting fumble.
Touche’.
omg vick. hold. on. to. the. ball.
For fuck sake. Someone make Vick hold onto the fucking football!
He needs some sort of high-powered electromagnet attached to his magical kevlar vest… that way when he tucks to run the ball will stay attached to his body.
Fine him, too. Steelers need to figure out they can’t play like that in 2012. Aikman doesn’t get it, either.
That’s cause Aikman took too many hits to the head, just doesn’t compute to him.
I’d like to see a little no huddle. Maybe it would get Vick into the game.
Maybe their saving it for the 4th? I wanna see it too, been working for us.
Mundy has a rep as a headhunter. Nice job of Maclin of playing dead there, if that was a flop.
Whn Vick throws the ball on time, he throws really nice passes. They need to scheme so that he doesn’t have to scramble.
That is 4 times Vick has not had good ball security. If we lose this game, it is all on Vick.
I’m always curious as to why players act shocked when they get a flag after a hit like Mundy and Clark each had. If you lower your head and launch, you’re going to get a flag and then a fine. Refs are erring on the side of caution. Simple as that.
Steelers looked pretty pissed about the TO. Hope that comes back to bite them.
Harrison has not gotten his late hit flag yet!
SHADY!!!!!!!
Run the Damn Ball.
It felt good to say . . .
gotta love mccoy. we need to keep getting him the ball in space!
Great play call, great job by Shady. Huge TD.
Shady is easily what Brian Westbrook was to this offense. When he’s going, this offense is going. When he’s not, the offense is stagnant.
Agree, he cut that back and burst up the seam. Nice work on that one!
A good defensive stop here and there’s cause for optimism…
Quick pass to the RB in space . . . a Bill Walsh classic WCO.
Works great when you have a McCoy there.
Now . . . SACKS. We need SACKS.
no sack there, but again some good pressure on 3rd down.
At some point though, the “good pressure” should lead to sacks. We have 7 sacks in a little over 4.5 games, that simply is not good enough.
Hmm, those quick passes into the blitz work pretty well. Someone should write that down.
T-Law:
Quick question . . .
What adjustments do you see the offense having made at halftime?
Nothing stood out to me there, except for the quick pass vs blitz on the TD.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand once again, we can’t cover kickoffs.
And the special teams just lets the momentum swing right back.
RE: kick-off problems. Are we better served just kicking it out of bounds?
Guys were right there, just missed on that tackle. Wasn’t like last week when there were huge running lanes.
Who missed that tackle on the kickoff? 57?
I’m Sorry.
BOBBY APRIL NEEDS TO FOLLOW ROLLE TO THE BREAD LINE
Sadly, I agree.
Need a TO at some point. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see us on the right side of the outcome of this game if we stay -2.
With this rain our D needs to start trying to punch the ball out. BDawk was awesome at that. First guy make the tackle, second go for the ball.
I’ll take a 3 and out.
LANDRI!!! Awesome play!
When you’re a punt returner, what’s the idea behind telling your punt-returners to get away from the ball… but then you get real close to it? Can anything good come out of that?
No and I don’t know what the last guy was doing either. Missed who it was, but he was hovering and looked like he went to fake grab it. Really stupid and dangerous.
it was colt. he was going to pick it up after the steelrs player touched the ball. if the steelers touch the ball first, then it’s a free return. if we turn it over it goes back to the spot it was touched
such a long punt, i am AMAZED that we didnt even have a chance to return that one. it looks like we are keeping a guy halfway back to block the first guy that gets by on the outside, but it can’t help us if theyre getting by on all sides.
You’ve got to catch the punt to return it. Johnson made no attempt to catch it. Bring back Chad Hall.
i hear reno mahe needs a job.
I don’t want Hall back. Get Jackson back there. He is an actual weapon as a returner.
At least Hall caught the ball in the air.
Guys, other than the TD and Landri being awesome — anyone notice the other team had to burn a timeout before we did!? We’re almost done the third quarter and big red hasn’t blown one yet!!
Re: Demarius Johnson
Has he lost his confidence?
…did anyone else just get the Greenbay-Indy call?
now FOX starts playing audio from another game? sounds like mike mcglynn is hurt…
That was an ugly series.
A Deion Lewis sighting
this OL is a mess. mixing up the calls before the play even starts…
nice coverage on that punt
gilyard first one down there and didnt give up on the play when he missed.
Good punt and coverage there.
was that last drive a 3 & out with 3 passes? sigh.
Perhaps, but just as importantly, 0 fumbles.
Very big defensive series here. Gotta stop ’em if we hope to win.
If you could schedule a turnover, now would be an excellent time.
Last year’s run D making a cameo…
Kendricks has been getting dominated on run plays. “Bout time for play action.
Exactly what I just said.
Re: Turnovers
Best bit of information I’ve heard in a long time (no offense, T-Law).
The Eagles are really struggling getting TOs the last 2 seasons.
Hit on Griffin should be a fine, too.
Pay $25,000 to stay 5-0. Sounds like a bargain.
I love watching DRC on running plays
Come on D, step it up!
Kendricks high ankle sprain.
Damn…I hope he’s ok.
walking very carefully. hope its nothing severe!!
Marching right down the field on us
Casey Matthews sighting…with the stop on that run.
Casey Matthews sighting…interesting.
Let’s hope we keep this to a FG…
Fumbling in the end zone was a disaster. Even if we “only” get a FG there, we’d be within one possession no matter what happens here. Remember, the Steelers can easily manage an 8 minute drive.
Must hold them to a FG on this.
We are getting a lot of Mamulas’ today. We have to finish with sacks.
Wow. Miller was open though. We got lucky.
very lucky!
looked like it was casey matthews who lost him
Yeah, looked like Matthews let him go and Allen came over late. Glad it was an errant throw!
Lucky is okay
Ice him, Andy!
Jerk.
Yardage . . . 268-78 since late in the first Q
Casey Matthews sighting…on that blown coverage =(
That was bad D, but I can’t helps but hold the previous offensive possession partially at fault. McCoy scores. The defense followed up with a 3 and out… And the Eagles had a 3 and out with 3 straight passes. In the rain. Against a weak run-D.
only a 17-18 yard KOR. thats pathetic!!
Nice to see the I-formation. Keep in coming MM!
Bad spot
I agree, I think he had the 1st.
Forward progress should get him the first down.
Don’t think that was the most generous of spots, but I’m not sure I want a challenge.
Definitely need to challenge. At the very least you call a time out for a potentially big play.
thats my thinking as well. plan for it being short so you are ready to play it if you need.
Not sure AR’s gonna win this challenge. Refs will probably just take the easy way out.
Bad spot, but you’re not going to win this challenge. Another 3 and out.
Was bad. I think they’ll move the ball forward, just don’t know if it will be enough for the 1st.
Right. The goal here should be to “win” that timeout…
if they move the ball forward, but it is still not enough for a first down, does andy lose his challenge?
Where the Hell is Mike Perreira?!
Game on the line.
holy crap mccoy. amazing work there.
Great run by McCoy.
Wow. Dicey.
Wow McCoy!
AR channeling his inner Switzer.
The play worked.
But that’s a BARRY SWITZER!
Nothing but short passing so far this half…
Andy burning more TOs.
Oh come on!!! Keep those time outs!
good use of a T.O
Timeout????? Yeah, we won’t need more than one the rest of this game…
Awesome drive. Waste a TO on the challenge. Waste a TO on a 3rd and medium. Good thing this game is a blow out and we won’t need those later.
If you go for it here, at least do playaction and stick it to them.
That’s why I’m a coach!
I like both Maclin and D-Jax.
But this offense would benefit immensely by a BIG wideout who can make plays.
agreed. Especially with this o-line.
No Havili on the field? I do’nt like that on 4th and inches.
mccoy is a beast on short yardage (goal to go excluded)
Haven’t seen Bryce Brown since that 3-yard run where he got clunked in the head
BIG PLAYS!!!
Variation of the Brent Celek screen there.
Time for the old Celek slip the other way throw…
Wrong play but I’ll take it!
Right guy, wrong play. Great result.
Fuck yeah!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!
Even if we lose, this has been a great comeback by Vick. Nice to see.
Fuck yea!!!
This team is bad for my blood pressure.
I swear they are taking more years off my life than my kids.
I’m a walking heart attack.
I’m pretty sure being a fan of this team has shortened my life span by a good 15 years.
I don’t want to lose, but seeing them come back like this makes me feel better.
I’ll still be a dick to all the Steelers fans I work with regardless.
Leave Vick on the bench for the first three quarters, then bring him in in the 4th. Yeah, I know, never happen.
Almost sounds like a good idea.
Now we need the D to step up again as well…
1 point lead – this is our specialty!
Pipe down!
The Eagles were 6 inches from being up 21-13 . . . FUMBLE
a touchback! way to go ST!
Pretty obvious hold.
kendricks is back on the field.
i just noticed on this play (1st and 20), that babin started to rush, realized he wasnt going to get there, and he ran back into coverage. interesting.
Who does Cologne keep holding? is that Cox?
cOME ON d, THIRD DOWN STOP!!
Wishful thinking I guess.
zone defense. nope.
We are giving them way to much time to throw though. Our dline has not played well this game.
A blitz once in a while helps.
Grr. Get. Off. The. Field. Defense.
Did we blitz at all in this game?
yea, i’ve seen it a few times., but not too often.
Our team cannot play zone.
We simply can’t play zone coverage underneath.
Kendricks back in the game, at least.
COME ON DEFENSE!
I hate it how we hit the guy close to the LOS, but they continue to work for another 3 or 4 yards…
Feel like we should just let them score the TD and save some clock … sigh.
No way, they have too much field to go, if they were at the 5 yard line maybe.
so glad we have 1 timeout left
Ok, second third down….COME ON D!
Blitz here. Run blitz, convert to pressure.
This looks like a 2 point loss for us
Now would be a good time for some D-line pressure, too.
Lots of Steeler football today. Pounding the Eagles.
I am one nervous motherscratcher.
I can’t take it.
I think I feel a stroke coming on…..
They’ve only given up 13 points so far, but I don’t feel like this defense has been real sharp today.
With us down to 1 timeout, these next two plays pretty much decide the game. If they get the first, they are basically in FG range and can run out most of the clock before kicking the FG. Need the D to come up big on this play.
This will likely come down to a FG kick by the Steelers…if they get a FD you need to let them score a TD immediately.
T-Law:
Philip Hunt’s picked up some of the 2nd half snaps that Graham had in the 1st half.
Have to say, HUNT may be the better run defender.
Game over.
Wow, pick much?
game
Now we’re done. Did Tynes get traded to the Steelers by chance?
Game.
Get the King ready to block…
We NEED a strip!
Bunch formation has KILLED the Birds today
hey tommy, regarding our defense – it seems like opposing teams are doing a lot of ‘pick’ routes when they know we are going to be playing man coverage to get open.
That’s what you do against bump-n-run. The defense has to play off and at different levels against the bunch and other pick routes.
Great job D
This isn’t on the defense. Michael Vick fumbled this game away in the first half. Everything else on the team has worked well enough to win this game but Vick.
Vick fumbling in the end zone was the game. 3 pts. there would have been helpful…
Eagles defense WORN down.
seriously! have they not been rotating the DL as much as usual? or is it just the LBs?
It all comes down to this kick…
Regardless of if they get the FG or not, I think it is fair to say at this point, with Vick at QB, our offense is not very good 5 games into the season.
Where is Lavar Arrington when you need him?????
Why not let Pittsburgh score.
Too late.
Had to do that 1:30 ago.
can we pray for a false start on the kick? that drains 10 sec off the clock here, wont it? lol
Close games eventaully bite you in the ass, hello 10/7/2012
It’s amazing that we send an all out blitz and they still get 2 yards.
This loss can be directly tied to Vick. Cost us a minimum of 3 points.
well thats that. good day to all of you, gents.
Garbage. Game lost in the 1st quarter… too bad we had to stick around for the rest.
On paper, I would’ve taken a loss on the road in Pittsburgh, but this one we gave away.
And I believe people told me I couldn’t bad mouth the defense in the earlier post by Tommy. Great performance today….but what happens? They can’t hold the other team when the game was on the line. Steelers, much like the Giants, marched down the field for a chance to win (unlike the Giants, and Ravens, this was on the 1st time they blew the lead).
This loss brought to you by a healthy dose of Michael Vick Suck with a pinch of Andy Reid timeout magic and a hint of Juan coming up small with the game on the line.
Dude, what’s it with you and the coaches? Sure there was some questionable calls, but this game was CLEARLY lost on the field by the players. Period.
I didn’t realize Mike Vick wasn’t on the field.. And Juan’s defense has generated 1 turnover and zero sacks in the last 2 games.
I didn’t realize coaches can put on a helmet and get on the field to make plays, my bad. Our players had their chances and either gave it up or got beat by the guy infront of them.
Guys, stop fighting. It’s not the coaches, and it’s not the players. It’s both!
I can agree with this.
Coaches put the players on the field, and, in the Eagles’ case, pick the players. If the players mess up, it’s on them, too.
We bascially controlled this game but turned the ball over twice in the first quarter. Once in an area where we should have at least gotten chip shot fg. I’m guessing you wanna see Foles in there? Yeah, I’m intrigued by Foles based off the pre-season but once you make that change you can’t go back and I’m not ready to go there.
That game is on Mike Vick. No way around it.
Feels like last year. Vick turnovers and inability to stop teams on 3rd down.
Yay. Time to start looking at head coaches.
This game will sum up our season
This offense is just dreadful. What’s happened?
If he only AR had a timeout, he could have iced the kicker. *sigh*
Could have used at least one turnover today. Tough to win at -2 turnover differential.
I believe we’re averaging 16 points a game on offense. Not good.
Easy now everybody, still 3-2. Believe it or not the season is not yet over
3-2 with a very turn over prone team.
Maybe we’re just not that good. If our offense keeps this up, we just have to come to the realization that Vick is not gonna be the answer.
My angry thoughts on this team after another unimpressive game?
PRETENDER
Offense is awful. Can’t block. Can’t pass. Can’t hold onto the ball. Can’t get open. Just a awful offense. I don’t care about the yardage, this team isn’t a “high powered” offense.
86 points through 5 weeks. 17.2 PPG. No team is “real” that averages 17.2 PPG.
The Defense? Very sold. But comes up small in key spots….all the time. 3 – 4th quarter leads blown in 6 chances (yes the shitty offense bailed them out two times, but point remains). You would like your “great” defense to come up with the stops more than 50% of the time.
Turnovers? -2…Both on Vick – could have lost 2 more (cost on one the Vick non-slide) and DeSean Jackson fighting for more yards. You don’t win in the NFL consistently when you give the ball away.
I’m sure I’ll read how this was a tough game, wasn’t a “should” win. But you know what, this isn’t a good team ,don’t cover up the poor performance because the Steelers are hard to beat at home. This Eagles team should have won, but they have bad QB play and make stupid mistakes.
I agree to an extent, but it’s October. Still plenty of times to turn this thing around.
This Eagles defense is NOT the 1991 version.
And the NFL in 2012 is NOT the NFL of 1991.
Reid needs to get the offense untracked.
Or this season is going to be very long.
Wasn’t the old goal for a defense to keep teams under 17 points? We’re averaging 16 on offense – even an outstanding defense couldn’t win games for this team.
Obviously the red zone turnovers need to stop, but it does seem like we’re missing something else this year… big plays, maybe?
Exactly–no long TDs, no defensive TDs. Need a few game-changers next week.
Pretty badly played game by Vick. Difference in the game was the Steelers’ superior QB.
My take aways from this game were:
1. Vick is a turnover machine. At some point, the coaches need to bench him with his continued turnover issues. I don’t care if they bring him back a game later, but the message needs to be sent to Vick.
2. Our offense in general is simply not very good. Maybe it is all on Vick, but we simply are not scoring enough. Yards are great, but you win based on points, not yards, and we are not scoring them.
3. Our defense is better than last year, but our dline is overrated. We have 7 sacks on the season. That’s 1.4 sacks per game. Sure, sacks are not everything, but when you are using the Wide 9 which is supposed to thrive on getting sacks, you are not getting the job done when you have 0 sacks in two games.
And just to compare how other teams are doing against the QB/Olines we have faced, here are a few statistics.
Browns – 9 sacks total allowed; 2 by the Eagles. Averaging 1.8/game
Ravens – 9 sacks total allowed; 2 by the Eagles. Averaging 1.8/game
Cardinals – 23 sacks total allowed; 3 by the Eagles. Averaging 4.6/game.
Giants – 8 sacks total allowed; 0 by the Eagles. Averaging 1.6/game
Steelers – 9 sacks total allowed; 0 by the Eagles. Averaging 2.25/game (had a bye week already)
So outside of the Browns & Ravens games, our dline (and blitzers when we blitz) have simply not put up the numbers other teams have.
3-2 is a mirage. The Eagles are dead last in offense, don’t have a sack in two games and Vick is leading the league in turnovers.
Glass half full much?
Any confidence left in Vick? Offense just isn’t very good with him behind center right now. They even did a lot of 3 step drops to ease the pressure. Vick wasn’t awful, but he’s not good enough to lead a SB contender..