Draft Update
Posted: April 24th, 2013 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 158 Comments »Lots of things to get to so let’s get started.
Shariff Floyd was on WIP and said he would fit the Eagles because they are going to run a 4-3 that looks like the 3-4. Clearly, that must be the 4-3 Under. First point is to talk about this in relation to the 3-4, 2-gap info from last week. Best guess is that Kelly wants to be able to do both. Working on 2-gap techniques is a lot harder than 1-gap so it doesn’t surprise me that they started doing that last week. Engaging a blocker, reading a play, and then going to the ball simply isn’t natural. You must work on that. Firing upfield and trying to blow plays up comes very naturally.
The 4-3 Under makes sense based on history. Oregon did creative things. Bill Davis did creative things. That is a creative defense.
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Brian Baldinger says the Eagles like Barkevious Mingo. From Twitter:
“Barkevious Mingo has really climbed up the Eagles’ draft board of late, says NFL Network’s Brian Baldinger.”
Not sure if this is legit or just pre-draft noise. Sure feels like BS. Howie adjusting the board this late doesn’t sound right. Or did Baldy get good info and butcher his delivery? Who knows.
Les Bowen speculated this could be a move by the Eagles to help sell fans on him if he is the pick. Or just BS.
Would be more believable if Baldy said that Mingo is arguably the greatest NFL prospect in over 200 years.
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Geoff Mosher put up a piece on E.J. Manuel and the Eagles. The takeaway quote…”They want me pretty bad.” Manuel does acknowledge that this could be smoke screens.
The video embedded in the article is an interview between Rhea Hughes and Adam Caplan. It is worth watching. Caplan says the Eagles do like Geno Smith and he knows that for a fact. He doesn’t think Smith goes at 4, but could be a trade down target. I trust Caplan a lot, but you literally cannot completely trust anything at this time of the year.
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RB Marcus Lattimore says the Eagles are one of the teams that showed the most interest in him. They did bring him to Philly for a visit. I’m sure that was for medical reasons so I don’t know how much we can read into that. If the reports were bad, no interest. If good, the team could have mid-round interest.
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Chip Kelly stays in touch with Dion Jordan.
He recruited Geno Smith and visited his high school back in the day.
Kelly recruited EJ Manuel.
He recruited Star Lotulelei.
Expect the Eagles to draft all of them. Those connections are unbreakable.
Lane Johnson says the Eagles have been in touch with him a lot recently, but Chip didn’t recruit him several years back so clearly that shows we have no real interest.
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The buzz with key NFL insiders is KC will take Eric Fisher first overall. I’ve stuck with this for a while. He is an Andy Reid type. Not sure how that would affect the Eagles. Luke Joeckel is more of a LT. Would the Jags go for him, take Lane Johnson, or take Dion Jordan?
So…is everyone good and confused now? This draft is absolutely crazy. I hope tomorrow night is a lot of fun.
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Regarding mock draft group think:
If Ryan Nassib is taken by the Bills in the top 10 AND if Geno Smith is not drafted in the top 10, I will change my twitter avatar to something other than my cat (or any cat) for the entire weekend.
The good news…Adam Caplan says no way Nassib goes at #8.
Bad news…Mort says it is more than likely to happen.
Good luck.
Trust in Glazier!
So we would miss out on seeing the kitty for the weekend? It would be like we all were married.
The closer the draft gets the more I think the Eagles really want Ziggy Ansah. The team has been linked to almost every player in the top 10 except for Ansah. Not one credible source ever came out with the Eagles having high interest in him. With Ansah’s name being so hot and some believing that he might go as high as number two, I find hard to believe that the Eagles could be linked to Jordan, Star, Milliner, Floyd, and even Mingo but not one peep about Ziggy. I mean the guy screams “Chip Kelly type of player” with his height, weight, strength, speed and versatility.
They did work him out at BYU and bring him to Philly for a visit, but there is little buzz.
Yeah. Compared with the buzz that the other defensive players got one would think the Eagles hated Ansah, which is certainly possible but I doubt it. Even if they hated Ansah would it not be advantageous to send out smokescreens about him to maybe get a trade down or help make a certain player fall?
“Even if they hated Ansah would it not be advantageous to send out smokescreens about him to maybe get a trade down or help make a certain player fall?”
But they’ve sent out smokescreens (or information) about every other player in play at 4. You can’t sell a smokescreen on all of them; the point is to make teams feel like you have interest in a particular guy. If they don’t have a clue who you’ll take they’re more likely to panic and trade with Oakland just to be sure you don’t grab their guy instead of trading with them.
I agree to certain extent. But I think the Eagles have already reached that point regardless. Also reaching out of the potential top ten to send out signals that team might be interested in Mingo and Austin is pretty weird too.
True enough. I’m also curious how many of these reports are even being leaked by the team and how much of it is agents (are the draftees allowed those yet?) or just media guys making outlandish claims that they can point to and crow about later if they’re right and everyone will forget about if they’re wrong.
And correct if I’m wrong but didn’t the Eagles also talk to him at the Senior Bowl?
Little buzz, that sound just like our first rounders in all of our recent history.
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I’m starting to wonder if players that the Eagles will target will be ones that haven’t been getting much buzz. Players like Mingo and Austin haven’t gotten too much talk in relation to the team until recently, and like D-von said, we’ve barely heard anything about Ansah up to this point either. Are there any other surprise players that we haven’t heard mention much/at all that could shock us all?
Maybe Chance Warmack and Jon Cooper but I just can’t get my head around Guards in the top 5 unless they traded back
No idea what the Eagles actually want here. Just hoping they don’t oversell the smokescreens.
I think part of the smokescreens is agents using the Eagles. They know we’re at a key spot and could trade down. That leads to them trying to help their clients by using our name with the media.
Mayock’s mock has the Eagles taking Lane Johnson just as you did Tommy. What interested me is that he has Lotulelei going to Dallas all the way to 18. I’m now hoping Elam falls to the Eagles in round 2.
He’s also got Jordan falling to #9. That’d be more of a shock than Star falling to 18. If the draft goes the way he’s mocking it, I’ll be wanting the Eagles to trade up to 33 and draft Hankins before Harbaugh can get his greasy mitts on him at 34.
I have some serious reservations about Hankins as he tended to wear down late in games. I would prefer Jesse Williams out of Bama.
I’ll agree with the concerns about Hankins wearing down in games, but it’s purely a conditioning concern; if I was 320 lbs and made to play 62 snaps per game (his average last season) I’d wear down too. If he gets in a team with the right conditioning program I think he’ll be fine and he’s got the most raw talent of any DT in the draft.
That is a lot for a big guy but to me a player should work to get themselves into shape to play every snap and it shouldn’t be on the team to get them into shape, which is wear a lot of my concerns lie.
I take your point, but what if he didn’t really know how? He was reportedly close to 340 when he came out of high school and is now down to 320; clearly trending in the right direction.
Honestly, your concerns are completely valid and are the primary reason he’s not going to go in the top half of the first round. It’s obviously all just opinion at this point, but I think some team is going to take a chance on him, after seeing what Wilfork achieved amid similar concerns, and I expect they’ll end up with a helluva player.
That’s a very good point about him not knowing how especially considering the amount of coaching changes he saw at OSU. And from a pure talent standpoint I can’t disagree with you.
I cannot wait for tomorrow. Sooo stinkin’ tired of the mock drafts, misinformation, and Geno Smith.
I just hope that all three fade from Eagles conversation after this weekend.
I can’t wait for Tommy’s post draft review of the players selected.
Cant wait for today and tomorrows radio interviews with Dion and the rest of the new Eagles
So my official mock draft for the Eagles is as follows:
1st- Dion Jordan, OLB Oregon,
Not going to get into this one too much because if you’re not familiar at this point you clearly read this site for the lasik surgery coupons.
2nd- Terron Armstead, OT Arkansas Pine-Bluff.
Freakish athlete. Watched some of his tape after one of the all star games and the first thing I said to myself was, holy shit this kid can do some of the special things Peters does. May be a little raw and may or may not play this year but is going to be a stud LT for years to come.
3rd- Travis Kelce, TE Cincinnati
He may not be here with this pick but for arguments sake lets hope his spotty background scares off teams so that he can drop a little. Kelce is a do it all TE. Lined up at H-back, inline, and split out. Just like his older brother he will block you and have fun doing it. I always felt he was a very good blocker until Jason Kelce posted a cutup he made of little brother last week on twitter. It’s impressive. Not to mention we now get to add Travis to the fearsome duo of Evan and Jason. The city may burn…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUj5zK06orY
4th- Joe Kruger, DE Utah
First noticed him when watching film on Star against BYU. Flashed major talent. Rest of his film isn’t as impressive but he is only 20 years old with a great body (6’6, 269, and 34.5 inch arms). Massive upside.
5th- Leon McFadden, CB San Diego State
Talent cover corner. A bit on the smaller side. Not sure if Chip will have interest but could certainly be of interest and value meets need at this point.
7th- DJ Harper, RB Boise State
Talented runner. Run hard and has some explosion. Was a sixth year senior and has injury concerns. Late round flyer.
7th- Rontez Miles, S Cal PA
Physical Safety will not shy away from contact. Definitely will need to get terrible Steelers tattoo layered off. Tommy can probably hook him up.
7th- Jasper Collins, WR Mount Union
Did you guys really think I wasn’t going to take the D3 WR? Come on now!!! Extremely productive player for top school in D3 and Mount Union is starting to become mid to late round WR University. Would play in the slot for us.
7th- Cameron Lawrence, LB Mississippi State
Athletic instinctual linebacker. Always stood out for being all over the field when watching Mississippi State. A little on the light side but could be a solid developmental player.
You got your 5th round pick’s name wrong. It’s spelled S-A-N-D-C-A-S-T-L-E.
I have some age concerns with this sandcastle fellow.
I don’t think McFadden lasts that long, but I’d be just fine with that haul of players.
Love that Kelce tape! I want either him or Ertz.
My guess is that Escobar is the Target, with Kelce as a fallback option, and then Vance….Kasa in the 5th(worst case)
Before I saw that tape I liked Travis. Now I have a man crush that is probably rival to Tommy and Luke Keuchly.
I can vouch for this its getting kind of old hearing you swoon over him
Let him swoon. Swooning time is coming to an end soon. If you are high on a guy, there are only hours to go to let it be known… Final draft dreams.
Visions of a redzone package with McCoy, Celek, Casey, Kelce and Ifenyi/Benn. Goodbye redzone problems.
I liked how TK wants to put everyone he blocks on the ground. One play he blocked 4 different guys. Seems like he loves to hit people. Unite the brothers!
I believe the correct phrase is “We’re putting the band back together”
On the latest Merrill Reese video on PE. com, he says scouts have told him that Armstead could turn out to be the best tackle in the draft.
Baldi is chirpin on about Armstead and Long being better pro’s than Joekel and Fisher
I’d be quite happy if this played out
I’ve been high on Kelce for a long time. Problem is i don’t see the value at 35 but don’t see how he makes it out of round 2.
I think both Escobar and Kelce will be on the board for us in round 3
When do we get to draft you?
Haha I graduate next year. Not sure if there is much interest in 6’1 270lbs guards though. Hopefully I may be able to get in with the scouting department though.
I think Gavin Escobar is the Target, with Kelce being the fallback plan…I doubt we will take Jordan Reed, I view him as an Hback, but talented player…Nick Kasa is our 5th round worst case scenario….Only a few ours left for Fanboy dreams…so in my biggest fanboy dream, the Eagles trade Celek and Land Escobar and Travis Kelce
Off the wall prediction – Eagles trade down to #7 and take…Mingo
The Blazing Saddles gifs will be plentiful if that happens.
I’m partial to “Mingo the Merciless.” http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/131703/2783051-middleton.jpg
Mingo only pawn in game of life.
So if Fisher really does go 1st, any chance that Joeckel would actually make it to 4? Wonder if the Eagles would take him or sell him to highest bidder (ie: a 1st next year and this year’s of course as those in need of an LT would likely pay far more for Joeckel than Fisher. )
I’m just laughing at everyone.
I don’t have a clue, and I’ll admit it.
At best, I have a sense of a group of players in whom I think they’ll be interested, and which rounds they’ll probably be available.
Other than that, I’m just waitin’
Sometimes you just got to admit you don’t know.
Agreed, and I feel Chip kelly & co probably have a little bit better handle on it than the GM’s on this forum. I am just excited because the JJ’s, Colemans, Smith’s, Hall’s, Fredex, etc shouldn’t be announced as igg’s picks. Every team has them, but I just don’t see Kelly taking fastballs or midgets.
“So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, “If you’re gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.””
I guess the question is; Do Roseman/Kelly know when to hold ’em?
As long as we’re talking about laughing at someone, any last-minute guesses on something that the Jags or Raiders will do that will make everyone remember why both franchises have been the laughingstock of the league from a front office perspective? Or do we think McKenzie and whoever the Jags’ new owner hired are fresh enough not to be tainted with the kind of institutional incompetence that has seemed to plague both teams in recent years?
My bet is that the Raiders somehow talk themselves into Geno . . . after having given up some of their already diminished draft capital for Flynn.
I think Caldwell is petrified of making a mistake, obssesively wanting to prove that he isnt braindead like his predecessors…which will force him to play it safe, and take the leftover lineman….What Oakland does, I couldnt even guess..
not to mention the friggin Bills made this draft Unmockable cause no one has any clue what they will do at number 8…Nassib? Replace Levitre? TE? Reciever? Heck I wouldnt be surprised if they loved Vaccaro or someone crazy
I would be surprised if the post-Davis Raiders don’t do the prudent thing and pick the blue-chip player that suits a need, and that’s Floyd. As for Jax, in the absence of an obvious franchise QB I think Caldwell and Gus go for the second-most impactful position, passrusher. That probably means Dion, but they could prefer Ansah. Agree that the Bills are a real wild card in the deck. Nassib seems crazy at No. 8. I think they’re a real trade-down possibility, as are the Birds if Fisher and Dion are off the board.
KC drafts Fisher
Jags draft Lane Johnson
?????
Detroit gets Joekel at #4
Eagles take Dion #5
Mingo or Ziggy go to Cleveland
Fluker goes to Zona
Nassib
If Al Davis were still around, you could bet on them taking Margus Hunt or Terrell Sinkfield, since they are respectively the tallest lineman and the fastest receiver in the draft. Alas, McKenzie may have brought some degree of sanity to that front office.
Alas, when I look back upon the Eagles first round picks, I see the same level of incompetence and head scratching selections. It’s just we were usually picking late enough that the futility was buried…unlike Oakland, who is always picking while everyone is watching.
The day approaches,
horizon obscured by smoke.
Day’s end brings Ansah.
Ooooooooo sexy pick
do you like his big thick hands?
Gil Brandt does 😉 😉
All the smoke for naught.
Jordan now Philly icon.
Chip off the ol’ block.
THIS MAN is a friggin POET!!! standing round of applause
Gee, no more for me.
“Geno is more!” Shah8 says.
Defender we need.
The jags might be stupid enough to draft Lane
Id call that GENIUS!!! Tomato, Tomatoe
Fisher n joek are going to be two good solid starting Lineman…But this draft will produce Greatness at the position…It just wont be with those two….If you want to go safe, you have to compromise on greatness…In the words of some thugged out gangster rapper(or was it Dave Chappelle?).. “Scared Money Dont make money”!….
I have read how you feel he has greatest upside, and while that may be true, I feel he wasn’t regarded as a top 5 pick prior to the combine. I’m not saying like I know how any of them are going to play out, but I think he is a textbook combine riser. Doesn’t mean he won’t pan out, but prior to the combine, Luke, Star, Dion was all the early chatter. I’m just excited to see if Roseman can pull of some magic and snag extra picks in rounds 2-4 and make em count like ’12.
Jordan floats in space.
CB truckin’ the QB.
‘Backers back in town.
“Lament!” says Morton.
“He will set the team back years!”
Fill in name of choice.
Then Dr. Emmit Doc Brown is my choice
SET US BACK TO THE 60’s DOC!
“If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour… you’re gonna see some serious shit.”
I am on Xanix,
Cause I am in a panix,
From all these draftnix.
Tommy, if Shariff Floyd does know that Kelly/Davis will be running a 4-3 under defense and just blurted it out in a public interview for everyone to hear does that aggravate the team any? Enough to sway the team to go in a different direction as far as draft prospects are concerned, especially with how secretive they’ve been on the matter?
OMG…when will this foles trade nonsense end?
You’ve called Fisher to the Chiefs from the get-go. Let’s see. I love to see the Dali Lawlor proven right.
Interesting….rumor has it Andy and Dorsey arent playing so nice! The Fatman wants the Fish, and the Scous/Dorsey want Joekel…few hours and we find out who wears the pants in that “domestic” partnership
Anything to be gleaned from Dave’s new column over at the team site? He has Graham and Cole listed with the d-line, not the linebackers, and also has Cole along with Cox and Sopoaga as players “penciled in” as starters.
Does this further speak to the scheme they’ll run as first “reported” by Shariff Floyd’s comments? Or maybe how they view Graham and Cole’s ability to drop into coverage and play as 3-4 LB’s?
Am I wrong for wanting Ansah @ 4? Am I believing too much pre-draft hype? There’s just something about that guy that I feel is worth taking a shot on…
Besides him…Jordan would be my next choice…followed by Star
He is the only D sided player I want at 4. I think he’ll go to the Jags and Joeckell thereafter to whoever the Raiders trade him to. Without trade options, I’d take Johnson, otherwise trade to whoever missed on the trade with the Raiders.
My favorite too. It is a big roll of the dice though for such a high pick. But if we’re talking the kind of guy who has the potential to be a real difference maker, you have to consider him.
I also like Lane Johnson, especially if the other 2 tackles are off the board. You probably take those 2 guys above Johnson but mostly because they are less risky. But as far as upside, Johnson may be the highest.
Going down a few rounds, the QB from Washington State is very interesting. Definitely someone to consider on day 3.
I’d love Ansah at #7 with an additional 2nd.
The 4-3 front with a 3-4 look buys into what I was selling, Neil pointed out a 2-5 is a 4-3 with the DE’s standing up. College specific.
I’d love to see Jordan 1, Manuel 2.. But I wouldn’t mind seeing Millner sneak into 1
I don’t know which smoke or mirror to buy but I think they might like to move 4-5 picks down for Mingo.
Mingo is very close to “bingo”, which means I can link us to this gem…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMRo5XCKddQ
Where do we stand on the fundraising drive? Is Tommy adequately stocked with PBR and pudding for a long weekend of H2H podcasts?
Might need more Funyuns
I predict that the Cowboys are going to trade up again, this time to secure O-line help. They don’t have the cap room to sign free agents, but they can still make a splash at the draft and that will help them lock down that help for a few years. They still would have to make room for that player but the cost would be controlled for the next few years.
I could see both Giants and Cowboys wanting help on both sides of the Line…surprised Fluker is never mocked to either
http://www.nfl.com/photos/0ap1000000162870/0ap2000000162760
Who is this to the left of Ansah? I thought it was Jordan, but he looks too short to be Jordan.
Its Barkevious Mingo
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000162770/Kenny-Vaccaro-and-Dion-Jordan-are-excited-for-the-NFL-draft
The dude is gigantic, I think he is too tall for their lighting at that studio
Dion was looking for houses in Philly yesterday lol
tommy, are you an espn guy or nfl network guy? anyone else feel free to answer too. just curious to see what everyone’s preference is for draft coverage.
NFL Network. Mayock all the way. I am not a fan of most ex-players as color commentators talking on TV but the guys on NFL network are slightly less annoying than the others. Except for Michael Irvin. Hate him, can’t stand when he talks, never once have I ever heard him say anything that was worth listening to.
I don’t even watch ESPN anymore… they are all fools.
Ditto… Except I’ll flip over once just to see how Kiper’s hair is doing.
Tommy I’ve seen a TON of mock drafts lately and I’m beginning to wonder, is the true purpose of a mock draft to predict what WILL happen or a way to voice their opinion on what SHOULD happen. I highly respect Daniel Jermiah, but being in the business as long as he’s been, can he really predict that NO team will reach for a QB in round 1. It is savvy enough to suggest no QB belongs in the first round, but we all know…someone will bite.
He was just on NFL Netw speculating that a team may trade up into the 1st round and take Geno to get ahead of Jaguars at 33. No one knows what’s going to happen. Thing is it’s tough to predict trades so if you think the handful of teams that need QBs (who are drafting high) pass on Smith in the first then you tend to think the teams at the bottom of the first don’t need QBs so someone will have to TRADE.
Personally I don’t predict trades in mocks and a lot of talking heads don’t either so are you going by his mock ?
But Jeremiah told us Geno to Eagles at 4 was a lock two weeks ago because he hears things… I’m confused…
Im still surprised there hasn’t been much connection or rumors about the raiders picking Ansah. But maybe thats just because of Davis. I will call that my biggest surprise of the day or at least the first of many.
And if for some idiotic reason jags actually pick Geno, its going to be exciting auction for our pick! Could even possibly move back 2x in the 1st and still be in the top ten!
( just a dream)
As an Eagles fan I would be most happy with one of the OTs or DTs. Lane Johnson looks like a future Jon Runyan. Star Lotuleilei looks like a potential Haloti Ngata- if not a great pass rusher, a solid anchor on the interior of the line.
If they pick one of the OLBs, I will be highly disappointed. If they pick Geno Smith or Ryan Nassib, I will be angry. If they pick a WR, ILB, or a RB, I will go into feces-throwing mode.
Star and Ngata should NEVER be compared!
so you would be most happy drafting the two deepest position of this draft at #4?
Addendum – if they pick Ezekiel Ansah or Dion Jordan, that will also trigger feces-throwing mode, because these two guys are sure-fire busts.
Joe Kruger
If the Eagles draft him he will join the ranks of Mike Golic and Casey Mathews as times we drafted the brother of a really good player.
Can you name some other brothers of good players we drafted?
Brian Westbrook… oh wait that one went the other way 😉
Jason Kelce?
It’s blatantly obvious what the Eagles will do. The entire organization – and the owner – go out to visit Geno Smith! They say nice things when they return, then are dead quiet about it. Typical Eagles M.O. Geno Smith will be drafted at #4. Then they will try to trade Nick Foles.
sarcasm?
No sarcasm. Just look at every first round draft pick of the Eagles, it’s always a surprise. The guy they ended up drafting is always someone they showed little interest in.
Double take… double sarcasm?!
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YUS, new H2H show up people
http://helmet2helmetshow.com/
Do they comment on the gay place kicker who wants to be drafted by an NFL team?
Yes, turns out the Jags have already announced they are taking him at #2 to have the most outrageous special teams in NFL history
There goes my big board.
Put on a pot of coffee – we’re going to have totally shuffle up the first round now.
NEW UPDATED SUCCESS DRAFT POSITIONAL CHART at eaglesrewind.com screams not to otackle in first round (and wait till the second) because you have the same exact chance of landing a starter, probowler, or all pro in rd 1 as you do in rd 2.
Vice Versa — Biggest drop off in chances of finding a probowler between rd 1 and rd 2 ——— linebacker. Dion Jordan? Mingo?
In a deep draft at otackle and shallow draft at edge rushing lbs … again making Jordan a sensible choice over say Lane Johnson
http://eaglesrewind.com/2013/04/24/historical-success-chart/comment-page-1/#comment-838
If you look at that chart long enough, you can talk yourself into never drafting anyone.
If you have a OLT and a D-lineman fairly evenly graded (and both are at the top your chart), which one would you draft and why?
(The O-line’s goings-on of the Buddy Ryan-era may not be tendered in the argument. Buddy had a pathological problem with the being responsible for both the offense and defense.)
In a vacuum (as in, not drafting for any particular team with a particular existing roster), I think I would go with OLT. I feel like D-lineman are often more available in free agency than tackles, for whatever reason, so I would give a slight premium to a home-grown OLT.
In this year’s draft (and to Tom’s point), I think I would take a D-lineman because of the perceived depth at tackle (vs. edge rusher).
In this year’s draft, and for the Eagles, I’m really not sure – you can make a great case for eitherosition.
argued like a lawyer. nicely done.
Tip of the cap to my bar-certified wife… which, incidentally, is probably why “what should we have for dinner?” often turns into a two hour discussion.
I think we should trade this year’s 1st to the browns for their 2014 1st straight up. Then trade our 2nd and 3rd to KC for their 2014 1st. Then we can tank the season, and probably land Clowney, a new franchise QB, and another top tier player.
With our luck, KC and Cleveland would play for the AFC championship, and we’d accidentally win 9 games. And then we’d draft 3 punters in the first round.
That would really suck because we all know Chip Kelly doesn’t punt. 🙁
But if he ever did, there would be strong competition at that spot…
I think Dave and Chris could have some lively banter about the implications of that roster battle during the summer of 2014. Only to be disappointed to find out that Chip has created roster space for all 3 punters on his squad. After all, he has indicated the importance of special teams in shaping the roster and mandating a switch to a 3-4 defense.
Quick depressing thought someone reminded me of the other day:
We were two minutes away from going 4-1 at the start of last season. (Then lost to Detroit in OT the next week)
Crazy, huh?
Ha, it’s actually not really depressing at all to me now.
Very true… we could very well still have Reid now…
So if the rumors are true that KC takes Fisher, isn’t there a very legitimate chance that Joeckel gets to pick 4?
Chiefs: Fisher
Jaguars: Jordan
Oakland: Floyd
To me, that’s a very realistic possibility for the first three picks. If that ends up happening, obviously the potential to trade the pick is very high, but what about simply taking Joeckel? I know Tommy has said Fisher isn’t a great fit for CK, but we have spent very little time talking about Joeckel as a fit. Would we be concerned about his ability to move to RT where he has never played? His athleticism is obviously no where near Johnsons; is that a problem in terms of fit?
If this happens, you’d have to think the Oakland phones heat up (for Joeckel), and then we’ll be looking at Johnson, Floyd, Ansah, Lotulelei. I can’t imagine we’ll have much trade leverage at that point, unless a team is desperate for OT still having just lost out on the Oakland trade…
Man I would demand rock city’s 3rd rounder and drop back to take Johnson in that scenario…
Rumors are all over the place today, but this one doesn’t seem to me to be too crazy of a speculation/smokescreen.
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Looks like Branden Albert deal on hold.
Apparently, Dolphins going to see how 1st rd goes. If deal happens told
it’ll be after 1st rd.
If true, that’s good news for the Eagles because it potentially keeps another team in play for a trade if we do intend to go that route. And for those who do not want to trade back that far, keep in mind that having another team in play still benefits us significantly because it allows you to create a bidding war. Since we are already concerned that we will not get great value due to the lack of elite talent at the top of the draft, creating any kind of competition for a trade will be very valuable.
Yeah remember also Sherman and Tannehill connection to Joeckel if he slips to us…
great point.
Re: 35 years of drafting O-Lmen v. D-Linemen in the Top 10
Since the 1979 draft, the breakdown of O-linemen and D-linemen drafted in teh Top 10 is:
52 O-linemen
73 D-linemen/Rush-LBs.
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Of those 52 Top-10 O-linemen, 3 won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them (1 win each):
1. OT Jimbo Covert, Bears – 1983 draft (1985 SB)
2. OT Jonathan Ogden & HOFer, Ravens – 1996 draft (2000 SB)
3. OT Olando Pace, Rams – 1997 draft (1999 SB)
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Of those 73 Top-10 D-linemen, 13 have won at least one Super Bowl with the team that drafted them. Four players won multiple SBs with their original teams.
I included Lawrence Taylor, Willie McGinnest, and Terrell Suggs in this group because they were principally pass-rushers.
The 13 D-linemen/Rush-LBs were:
1. DT Dan Hampton & HOFer, Bears – 1979 draft (1985 SB)
2. DE Al Harris, Bears – 1979 draft (1985 SB) [Harris was later moved to LB]
3. Rush-LB Lawrence Taylor & HOFer, NYG – 1981 draft (1986, 1990 SBs)
4. DT Russell Maryland, Cowboys – 1991 draft (1992, 1993, 1995 SBs)
5. DT Bryant Young, 49ers – 1994 draft (1994 SB)
6. DE/Rush-LB Willie McGinnest, Patriots – 1994 draft (2001, 2003, 2004 SBs)
7. DE Kevin Carter, Rams – 1995 draft (1999 SB)
8. DE/Rush-LB Peter Boulware, Ravens – 1997 draft (2000 SB)
9. DE Grant Wistrom, Rams – 1998 draft (1999 SB)
10. DE/DT Richard Seymour, Patriots – 2001 draft (2001, 2003, 2004 SBs)
11. Rush-LB Terrell Suggs, Ravens – 2003 draft (2012 SB)
12. DT Sedrick Ellis, Saints – 2008 draft (2009 SB)
13. DT BJ Raji, Packers – 2009 draft (2010 SB)
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If I were drafting in the Top 10 and my top two players on the draft board were essentially evenly rated O-lineman and D-lineman . . . I’d go with the D-lineman.
There have definitely been misses on both sides of the ball.
But more hits — measured by SB winners — on the D-line side.
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No questions there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
And the data above falls in the last group. But if the choice were close, I’d go for the D-lineman. Lies be damned.
Just saw a piece on NFL Network about the draftees doing a Play 60 where they helped teach proper tackling techniques to youth. I wonder if Nnamdi and DRC were able to attend…
+1,000
I heard Nnamdi drove to the event, but stayed in his car.
Re: The Eagles’ Top 10 O-line Draft Curse / But the No. 4 Blessing
In the last 35 years, the Eagles twice selected O-linemen in the Top 10:
1. 1985 OT Kevin Allen
2. 1991 OT Antone Davis
I don’t believe in curses . . . but out of an abundance of caution (and given the data favoring D-linemen, for whatever it’s worth), I’d stay away from an O-lineman this year if the Ealges remain in the Top 10.
Historical Notes:
In 1998, the Eagles chose OT Tra Thomas at No. 11 — a 3x Pro Bowler and 4x All Pro.
In 1973, the Eagles selected OT Jerry Sisemore No. 3 overall, and he became a 2x Pro Bowler and 2x All Pro.
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And 1964, the Birds — HOLDING the No. 4 OVERALL PICK — chose HOFer U-Nebraska OT Bob Brown. In his five seasons with Philadelphia, he was a 3x All Pro and 3x Pro Bowler. After being traded to the Rams, Brown’s two season in LA resulted in 2x PB and 2x All Pro. He finished his career with three seasons in Oakland . . . as a 1x PB/1x All Pro.
Maybe it’ll be lucky No. 4 again for the Birds if they hold their spot and select an O-lineman.
If they don’t . . . go defense.gave the Birds a great 12 year career
Stay away from O-linemen.
Stick to a defensive player in Rd 1.
It’s what history teaches . . . clear as a bell if you want to win the SB.
AC! This is very close to a haiku!
Possible edit:
Avoid O-linemen.
Stick to defense in round 1.
Path to Super Bowl.
not to mention…I think there is a very real chance that Kyle Long, Terron Armstead and Pugh all have a chance to be better Pro’s than Joekel or Fisher..OT is the position with less seperation between what will be available at 4, and what will be available at 35….Its actually pretty simple, Pass Rushers are a drastic drop off after rd 1, new scheme change, get a pass rusher..Dion, Mingo(trade back)
IMO, there are only 2 Olineman worth our time in round 1:
Lane Johnson
Jonathon Cooper
Fisher first pick…
Joekel will be the 3rd OT drafted, unless they trade out of number 2, in that case it would be so someone can move up and get Joekel…But if the Jags dont trade the pick, KC will take Fisher, and Jags will take Lane..
Laconfora is claiming that if the Raiders dont trade out, they will draft DJ Hayden 3rd
Re: the Raiders . . . if DJ gets past Jax
If Jax passes on the DJ in favor of Joekel/Fisher . . . then the Raiders will get calls not only for LJ but also — to my horror — for DJ.
If the Eagles can get past that landmine, then for me it comes down to a projection between Ezzy and DJ. Which one will have the bigger impact.
For me, I just can see draft a 24 year old (?) with just one-and-a-half years of experience.
At least Jordan’s been playing football for a 8 years.
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And, regardless, if the Eagles could had their choice beteen Ezzy and DJ while getting the Lions to trade a pick to Birds as insurance for an OT . . . then take it.
Because, on Day 2, the Chiefs will be auctioning their pick. And the Eagles will need ammo to get that top pick if, say, a Shelly Richardson or Star or Chance somehow slipped out of Rd 1.
Or corner or saftey with a 1st Rd grade.
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If that Joekel slides to No. 4 and the Lions want him for a 2nd or extra 3rd . . . “you make the deal, Sonny.”
I think the Jags will take Lane…Detroit will take Joekel 4th, while we take Jordan 5th…who knows what the Raiders do..my guess is Floyd falls to atleast 9, and that the Raiders go with Star or possibly Sheldon…or a CB like Desmond Trufant(Millner wont get drafted til DJ and Desmond are off the board, and Xavier will go after Millner, with Jamar Taylor possibly also sneaking into rd 1)
RE: Jacksonville…
Based upon this screen-grab, it looks like they’ve set up their war room inside a hospital cafeteria.
Also, it looks like the Chiefs are in my backyard, but that’s only because of screen reflection. I hope.
Somehow, the Jags look less prepared…
They’ve got a piece of scratch paper and a bottle of water. What else do they need?
Looking at that picture, is it any wonder the Rams and Jags suck? I had a more elaborate setup for beer pong in college.
The Cheifs never considered keeping those names on the wall private.
The Cowboys have helmets ready in case the decision comes down to a physical altercation.
But the Jags look like the are discussing if the draft is really tonight and if they remembered to invite anyone to attend. “You sent out the invites, right?” “Wait, I thought you were doing invites and I was doing snacks. What are we going to do with all those shrimp now?!”
Ledge check:
If we take Geno Smith at 4, will you jump, or simply pen a note to your loved ones and open the window?
Over/Under:
Number of times either broadcast replays the “booing of McNabb” tape?
I’m gonna say 3.
Null…
你的想法，在很多场合下都可以应用。…