Practice Wrap

Posted: June 8th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 57 Comments »

The Eagles concluded OTAs and minicamps work with their final practice on Thursday. We got so caught up in discussing Michael Vick’s comments and then Cary Williams’ comments that I never posted the links to the notes from that day. So, let’s take a look at what happened.

First up, Dr. Jimmy Bama.  A couple of highlights:

Nick Foles during OTAs and minicamp this year >>> Nick Foles in training camp last year. The natural, intangible progressions from a rookie to a second year player like “He looks more confident” apply, but there’s another difference that I see in Foles’ play that is more tangible. Last year, here’s something I wrote about him:

Something I’m beginning to notice with Nick Foles: If he throws the ball more than 15-20 yards downfield, it quacks.

What I meant by that was that Foles wasn’t throwing tight spirals on the more difficult throws. His passes often wobbled, like “wounded ducks.” Hence they “quacked.”

That is no longer the case.


Brent Celek was able to get WIDE open down the middle of the field and run in for a score. It was reminiscent of the 2012 secondary. Somewhere in San Francisco, Nnamdi Asomugha’s index finger involuntarily pointed East in the direction of Kurt Coleman.


Next we go to the legend himself, Sheil Kapadia.

1:27 – Special teams time. A new wrinkle for the punt coverage unit. Players start out at the 15 and run towards the goal line. A coach tosses a football into the air, and the players have to make the catch (or bat the ball back) without going into the end zone for a touchback.

They then break out volleyballs and bounce those high into the air, essentially doing the same thing.


1:37 – 7-on-7, offense vs. defense. And Vick is running with the ones.

When the third team gets up, Russell Shepard snags a high throw from Matt Barkley. Earlier, T-Mac speculated that Shepard could become my training camp man-crush. I wish I could rip him, but damnit, I think McManus probably nailed it. I like what I’ve seen from Shepard so far.

We’ve heard some good things about Shepard in recent days. I still think he’s mainly a target for the practice squad, but Chip Kelly would love to have a player like him on the offense. Shepard has 2 qualities that Kelly covets – he’s athletic and versatile.

Love to hear about the Special Teams stuff. That unit was such a strength 10 years ago, but became a liability over time. We must get back to the point where that group doesn’t just “not screw up”, but also makes plays.

Next up is Jordan Raanan.  He wrote strictly about Nick Foles, who he stayed focused on all practice long.

The good:

2:10 pm – The top play of the practice comes in more 11-on-11 scrimmaging. It’s Foles’ first play of the period and with the first team. He throws a 60-yard touchdown to DeSean Jackson. What a perfect pass 65 yards in the air. Jackson catches it at about the goal line in stride. Safety Nate Allen is several yards behind. Foles does a little fist pump and crow-hop. Hes clearly excited.

And the awkward:

1:56 pm – They’re in team drills now. The second time around it seems the Eagles always work on runs with a screen or two thrown into the mix. On one play Foles fakes a handoff and runs the option. At full speed it’s not pretty. If Foles is in the game Kelly might want to extract this from his playbook. It even looks awkward.

Now is the time for it to look awkward. Foles has something to work on between now and late July.

And finally we have Don Banks from Sports Illustrated.  Excellent writer. This isn’t just practice notes, but rather him checking in on how Chip Kelly is doing so far. Good stuff.

“Oh, it’s a different world,” veteran Eagles tight end Brent Celek said. “Don’t get me wrong. I love Andy to death. But it’s two totally different systems, in every way. Everything is up-tempo now. It’s go, go, go, go, go. All the time. But it’s very efficient. We didn’t know what to expect until we had that first practice and saw it, and it was a shock to your system. But I think probably almost everyone already has bought in. From the look at practice, guys are excited. I think it’s going to be hard on other teams to keep up from a tempo standpoint. You saw that when you watched Oregon (Kelly’s old team) play. When you watched them, you felt bad for the other team.”


“There’s a reason why Chip has gotten some automatic credibility with us,” receiver Jason Avant said. “The guys in our locker room, and in our NFL culture, we understand that you can’t go out there and try to do a bunch of new things if you’re not engaged mentally. You’ll do it, but you won’t understand why. Once everyone understands why we’re doing something and how we do it, it’s much for the better.

“One thing I like about Chip is you can go in and ask him why am I doing this, why am I running this route instead of this route, and he’ll tell you, boom, boom, boom. That makes you respect him more and it gives you a place where you can voice your opinion. Not to be disagreeable, but just to let him know you’re trying to learn. He doesn’t take it as a threat. It’s like that with the sports science stuff, too. They’re working us smarter than most people do. There’s nothing in terms of wasted effort. Everything has a purpose. If it’s not proven, we won’t do it.”

The hardest thing for a new coach is getting the players to buy in, especially if you are coming up from college. Chip gets an A+ in that area so far.

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My column is about the good attitude the Eagles players have shown so far this offseason, despite all the changes that Chip Kelly has thrust upon them.

The recent comments by Vick and Williams are awkward, but Williams isn’t mad at Kelly so much as the media and those questioning him from the outside.

Vick is upset with the situation, although the issues is made worse by having to answer questions about it. I can sympathize with Vick in this regard. I’ve gone through tough situations over the years and they are all the more frustrating when people ask you about them over and over. With me, it was friends and family who cared and were concerned or curious. With Vick, it is the media who is looking for story updates and angles.

I still don’t get the sense that Vick is indignant toward Kelly…as if to say “Why do I even have to compete for a job?”

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Remember the other day I was picking on Heath Evans of NFLN for saying dumb things?  Well, Jimmy Bama found his twin.

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Chip Kelly needs to up his game. Fruit smoothies are so yesterday. Check out this idea.

That pic comes to us from Pee Wee Herman.


57 Comments on “Practice Wrap”

  1. 1 cliff henny said at 5:00 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    We’ve heard it over and over, the players understand everything Kelly is doing. From day one, Lurie and Howie have stressed how great of a communicator Kelly is. National media just loves tossing out ‘will he lose the locker room’ or ‘can you treat nfl players like that’. wen it’s well explained and reasonable, people will follow, just that simple. even a 5 yr old kid doesnt want to hear ‘because i said so’, which kind of sounds like Reid’s last 3 or 4 years.

  2. 2 Anders said at 5:12 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    What you said reminds me of this, pierce of crap by Mike Freeman (I really hate him and LaCanfora)

    He acts like Kelly is some bully like Parcells who treats his players like dirt when everything we heard is that Kelly treats his players well and he have a reason for everything.
    Is he demanding? Hell yes, but you dont become one of the most succesfull HC in college if you aint demanding.

  3. 3 TommyLawlor said at 5:16 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Awful column. Takes a quote from Jason Taylor about Nick Saban, then twists that and projects it onto the Eagles.

  4. 4 cliff henny said at 5:45 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    how some of these guys get national platforms is beyond me. b/t you and Sheil/Tim or, if it’s not by or recommended by u3, it’s not being read this guy. dumb question, but do you live podcaste during eagles games? i’m kinda cringing already listening to cbs/fox 3rd team announcers absolutely mangle kelly’s offense.

  5. 5 jshort said at 8:21 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Turn your sound off, listen to Merrill and Mike on the radio. The only problem i have, Direct tv is about 5 to 10 seconds behind radio broadcast.

  6. 6 A_T_G said at 8:28 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    They broadcast on AM and on FM. One is timed to match TV, but I guess bouncing the TV signal off a satellite throws that off.

  7. 7 jshort said at 8:35 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    It sorta sucks, I know what’s going to happen when they are breaking the huddle. Still, I’d rather listen to them.

  8. 8 D3FB said at 10:23 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    You knew what was going to happen when they broke the huddle. With Chip I’m not even sure god knows what he’s about to throw at these defenses.

  9. 9 Anders said at 9:00 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    What huddle?

  10. 10 jshort said at 11:33 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Your right. radio broadcast might be 2 plays ahead of Direct TV this year. I can’t believe there is not a web broadcast that would keep the two insync.

  11. 11 cliff henny said at 9:14 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    live in mrtle beach, south carolina; so merrill isnt an option…and the timing deal just kills it. always thought there’d be a website in that idea. most sports are free online with sites like set it up where it’s more expert color guys instead of play-by-play guy and ex jock announcer. would you rather here tommy and jimmy bama doing a game or troy aikman and joe buck?

  12. 12 dropscience said at 3:32 PM on June 9th, 2013: is your friend. I’m not local, so I listen to Merrill and Mike along with the games. I’d rather put up with a delay, than have some slapnut trying to sell me the “Eagles are such a dangerous screen team” narrative.

  13. 13 cliff henny said at 5:31 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    thnx, will check out that site for sure. wish a site had expert/expert analysts, not watered down for the masses.

  14. 14 jshort said at 11:05 AM on June 10th, 2013:

    You get that here, before, half time, post game.

  15. 15 Neil said at 5:51 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    I think Freeman makes a great point. It’s humiliating to Vick that his job would be challenged after a 4-12 season. Please, Napoleon Dynamite’s going to take his job? It’s all a charade by some powertripping looney who wants to show the NFL up.

  16. 16 atb124 said at 9:35 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Can’t tell if serious.

  17. 17 TommyLawlor said at 9:57 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    He’s joking.

  18. 18 @FlyEaglesNation said at 7:00 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    And the funny thing is, this was the biggest knock on Chip Kelly. Whether his men can buy into a system. I thought that was the stupidest argument someone can make. Chip was one of the most composed coaches in college and has a great personality.

    All Freeman did was over hype some comments. In reality I haven’t seen Eagles’ players NOT complaining so much in a long time.

  19. 19 micksick said at 5:17 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    im hungry i need a pizza smoothie

  20. 20 Adam said at 7:40 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Great quote from Avant. Love hearing that.

  21. 21 MediaMike said at 8:08 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Self-serving perhaps? Avant is a strong candidate for a cut.

  22. 22 theycallmerob said at 10:58 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    I doubt it; Avant has been consistently honest and well-spoken since his first day as an Eagle. He could get cut tomorrow, and probably still speak well (and truthfully) of the Eagles the very next day.

    Personally, when his playing days are over, I would love for him to follow in the footsteps of Duce and stay with the organization. Or have CSN bring him into the booth. Something…just keep the guy around.

  23. 23 GEagle said at 3:08 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Good point. In the booth, Front office, coaching staff..He has to be kept in Philly..Im almost rooting for him to be traded because I dread the day I wake up visit a website and read the headline that Avant has been cut. I would almost rather keep him for 4 years until he is ready to retire, then see him be cut…which is why I root for him being traded to a contender like the Patriots (hope avant performs good at those joint practices)..
    The Avant situation is one of the toughest to read. I have no clue how Chip views him or the young talent that Avant is competing against. Some people have written him off since Chip arrives, but Avant has some things going for him: charecter, blocking, leadership presence, and makes contributions on ST like blocking, and the hands team

  24. 24 ohitsdom said at 8:25 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Everyone talking about the uptempo schedule seems to key in on physical stamina. One thing I think that get’s overlooked is mental focus. When you’re a regular-paced program that suddenly switches into 2 minute offense mode, how do the players and coaches react? Does everyone remember their assignments for the play? These are when coverage breakdowns and poor clock management tend to happen. I’d like to think that the 2013 Eagles will be well prepared for these situations.

  25. 25 TommyLawlor said at 9:15 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Excellent point. And you can bet that is part of CK’s thinking.

  26. 26 dislikedisqus said at 9:27 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Celek: “almost everyone has already bought in”. 3 guesses who haven’t.

  27. 27 cliff henny said at 9:31 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    guys who proably wont make the team. as long as shady, cox, ryans, kendricks, d-jax (cause he is here another yr), barwin (little worry there), peters, herrmann, kelce…the rest can pound sand!

  28. 28 shah8 said at 10:09 PM on June 8th, 2013:

    Just understand, though…Kelly’s MO is a recipe for a great deal of error in tactics and execution. To learn from this sort of methodicalness, you have to tolerate being wrong more than you otherwise might want to be. Players may have half-baked internalization of Kelly’s explanations and rationales. It’s gonna be clunky, and personnel starting are going to heavily favor veterans, who will also be learning. We’re not going to be sure of much before the halfway point of the season.

  29. 29 Neil said at 12:32 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Not to be obtuse, what exactly are you referring to with Kelly’s MO?

  30. 30 shah8 said at 11:59 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    flexible tactical doctrine, guided by some experimentation. Not tempo or number of reps.

  31. 31 Neil said at 12:46 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    I can see how what you’re saying could happen, but at the same time I think every coach needs to build enough flexibility to counter basically any option a defense could use to stop the offense. I’m not sure precisely how different Kelly is in this regard. He talks about calling plays based on the defensive alignment and personnel a lot more than any other coach, talks about being the key phrase there; that sounds like a philosophy that would result in a playbook like Andy’s that’s a mile wide and an inch thick full of plays. At the same time, his presentation at a coaching conference I found somewhere really emphasised giving your offense an identity with signature plays. I think for the eagles, that’s going to be a set of a few run plays, with or without the read option, and one or two pass plays with enough variability built into the option routes that you can call those plays against a wide variety of defenses, like what Peyton Manning ran with the Colts. I think at least those signature plays the team will be able to have a good enough grasp of in the first year.

    I’m not sure where exactly I read about what Peyton’s Colts ran, but I think it was I think I’ve given enough information about both that and Kelly’s presentation that someone could find them on google.

  32. 32 shah8 said at 1:57 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    It’s the installing of this sort of system that will be tricky. When all the wrinkles are out, then it should work well.

  33. 33 shah8 said at 2:04 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Actually, Peyton Manning’s system outlines some of the deficits with flexible simplicity, because it’s a little easier to practice for his style of play in the playoffs. I doubt we’ll have a passing offense anything like as (overtly) simple as PM’s. Everyone has seen everyone’s offense for 17 weeks. In the playoffs, that means players must make plays. In the season, that means teams have to find ways to win the tough games–like SF at NE last year, for example.

    You can fall into bad habits going for the cheap stuff all the time. The trick is not to be the hedgehog or the fox, but the best of both. I think Pat Shurmur is probably key in making sure that the passing game stays coherent.

  34. 34 Neil said at 7:18 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Yeah, plays with option routes can be tricky if that is what Chip Kelly wants to be the foundation of his offense.

  35. 35 theycallmerob said at 11:08 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    I dunno how true that is, since the whole premise of this offense working is based in the extreme number of reps (and, therefore, muscle memory and decision-making) building up through the off-season and into the games. The Oregon offense, consisting of teenagers and twenty-somethings, could grasp it just fine; in fact, execution has always been one of Kelly’s strengths.

    One last point to bear in mind- if, by MO you are referring to the primary tempo, any difficulties our offense experiences from this pace after all this practice time would be matched, and probably surpassed, by the defense we’re playing against. Look at the staple IZ/OZ offense Kelly ran at Oregon; half the time, the defense knew exactly what play was being run yet were still helpless to prevent a big gain.

  36. 36 Neil said at 12:46 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    College players being able to learn what he ran at Oregon doesn’t mean anything about how players are going to adapt to his NFL system. The NFL system is going to be significantly bigger and more robust, especially in the passing game but not exclusively, and most NFL players aren’t much older than college age. I’m not saying it’s something NFL players will not be able to learn (though perhaps with WRs ours will end up like NE’s, I don’t know), but in the first year you just might see some sloppiness, depending on what Kelly actually ends up doing. Look at my second comment to shah for an explanation of what Kelly could do (and what I think he’ll do) to avoid that.

  37. 37 MediaMike said at 8:12 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    My take on the Raanan info:
    Foles looking “not pretty” on a called run is why those types of calls have no real place in a real NFL system. When the Patriots implemented Kelly’s ideals in an adult manner up in New England, they didn’t include any JV / Low IQ / gimmick / flavor of the month read-option plays for Tom Brady because it isn’t necessary to win.
    I’m looking forward to a cut Vick, Foles or Barkley beginning to implement a real NFL version of Chip Kelly’s system here in Philly and letting a nonstop injury list be the problem of fans of low IQ scramble bums such as Kaepernick, RG3, and Scam Newton. Keep that garbage out of Philly.

  38. 38 D3Center said at 9:51 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    The read option isn’t a gimmick. It is a play designed to block everyone in the box when the defense walks up a safety and it is definitely not a low IQ play as it calls for the QB to make a decision off of the last man on the line of scrimmage and also intelligence on knowing when to go down or out of bounds (which Kaepernick is great at) to avoid injury if the ball is kept. The read option isn’t necessary to win but it can be very helpful in keeping the defense off balance even with slower QBs like Brady, Foles and Barkley.

  39. 39 GEagle said at 10:08 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Its not a gimick, but it isnt an NFL offense either. Its a tool used to take advantage of overagressive edge penetration. You wouldnt call a draw or a counter a Gimick, but you wouldnt design an NFL counter, or draw offense either. I think you will always see the Eagles run a few ZR’s regardless of who the QB is. I anticipate more 2back, and 3back pistol type concepts with Foles in the game..and more traditional “Universal formation” ZR if we have a mobile QB like Vick. If you go with 2backs and Foles, sure you dont get the threat of Foles running but, you can still ZR a defender and create a split second of doubt over whether Foles handed it to shady, or if Bryce is about to get it. Establish the run, and then you can start double play action passes and do some damage.

    I had this convo with Baldi about just going 2back if Foles was in the game, and he said yes but that just invites another safety in the box…But thats what chip wants. He is all about forcing a defense to drastically commit, sell out to try and stop the bleeding. But thats when chips quick Wit is ready to dial up a counter and take advantage of a defense that sold out for a big play..
    Very excited about having a team that is strong mentally(you dont have a choice to be strong mentally if you are going to survive in this practice environment), and In Peak Physical conditioning..Shady and Bryce can do alot of damage in the 2nd half of games

  40. 40 OregonDucker said at 11:05 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    GEagle: “Shady and Bryce can do alot of damage in the 2nd half of games”.

    This is the overarching Chip strategy: Make the DC’s head spin in the 2nd Half. Chip will eviscerate some teams; the rest will hold on to dear life and force throws on offense. Will the Eagle D be up to the challenge?

  41. 41 GEagle said at 1:29 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    I think our Defense will be better than we think my friend. Atleast Im hoping it is lol

  42. 42 Neil said at 12:53 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    I would hold off on saying the read option can be useful with a QB like Foles. I gotta see that to believe it. But to say it’s not useful with a Kaepernick is definitely absurd.

  43. 43 GEagle said at 1:28 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    your telling me that on 3rd and 4, that if Foles isnt accounted for that he cant run for 4 yards? All he has to do is run for one 3yard run that results in a first, and they will have to honor him, which free’s things up for Shady/Bryce productions lol

  44. 44 aub32 said at 8:48 AM on June 10th, 2013:

    The difference is who has to account for Foles. When RG3 or Kap run the read option, they can make a DE miss. Someone has to be taken out of coverage or the defense has to go with a certain personel just to ensure they don’t escape, and even then they can make plays on the ground. With Foles, I wouldn’t rely on him running for a crucial 1st down. He had problems with ball security as well, and it’s not really a guarantee he will be able to get around the DE if he has a slightly wider angle.

  45. 45 D3Center said at 1:46 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    I think Foles can at least pick up 4 to 5 yards a play if it is blocked correctly. While that’s not as many as a Kaepernick or RG3 will pick up, it should be enough to keep the defense honest and eventually have to respect the QB run.

  46. 46 shah8 said at 2:20 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Okay, a point of reference here…

    1) Run options w/slower QBs like Brady is going to revolve around complete sellouts on the DL for some other play. Brady typically runs straight forward, led by the RG, mostly, I think. Foles will not be able to turn the corner that well, and he will have trouble making the sidelines. More or less, defenses will not respect Foles, and key onto the RBs. They won’t respect Foles because they will have confidence (warranted or not) in cleaning up plays, and if Foles does good, oh well. But Foles won’t do good every time, and he will get hit.

    2) Foles is already probably too slow to be a genuinely effective QB. You really do not want him taking any more hits in the open field than is required, because by the end of the season, he’ll be dinged up and even slower.

    3) All real QB keepers are based on the ability of the QB to rapidly find a hole and hit it. Few QBs are as agile in space like Vick, Newton, or Webb. For that matter, like Brees or Romo despite their lack of great speed.

    4) Read option is an play, not an offense, and not a QB category. For the benefit of those of you not interested in the term as a proxy–what you’re seeing in the NFL are the larger pressures that force QBs to be ever more athletic. QBs really do need to be able to run, they really do need to be able to throw, and they really do need to be big. The ability of offenses to compensate for unathletic QBs in the days of the salary cap has been diminishing as every other position has been getting bigger, faster, and meaner over the years on defense. No amount of ninjatastic short throws can compensate for an inability to throw deep. Joe Montana did eventually lose his job precisely because he couldn’t throw deep as well as Steve Young. And Joe Montana wasn’t that weak back in the day, compared to his peers. Kaepernick, RG3, Newton, Wilson, they all have their jobs pretty much as a result of direct experience what happens when teams throw out QBs that don’t have strong arms (Hasselbeck, rather than TJack in Wilson’s case). The running is a plus, of course, but draw plays or options typically aren’t called that often, except for Newton–with good reason.

  47. 47 GEagle said at 9:54 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Some more Foles Notes from Rannan:
    1)(speaking about the QBs doing throwing drills) Deep outs into the endzone:
    “Foles is nailing the recievers in the chest. He throws a mean spiral too.”
    2)Qbs working on 3 step drops and quick passes:
    “Foles release is lightning. Very little movement. Not quite as Vick’s, but its impressive”
    3)Drill where all 5 recievers throw at the same time:
    “Foles is throwing the ball with some real zip. I’ve never seen him put so much velocity on his throws.”
    Jordan then details a bunch of passes Foles threw in 11-11 and 7-on-7..He had some mistakes, but most passes were described as “bullets” “Lasers” “fitting in very tight windows”…Jordan say Foles has been working alot on eye Manipulation(which led to alot of his problems last season, which is the case with all rookies):
    “Foles finds Shaw open for a 15yard gain in the middle of the field. Another nice read and throw. He used that eye manipulation there.”
    Cant wait to watch Foles wipe the floor with Vick at camp. There is still much work to be done both improving and winning the QB battle. Like I always say, guess what young kids wiht some talent, who work relentless to become great do? They improve!!! Sounds like Foles is improving arm strength, a bi-product of improved footwork..Eye Manipulation, confidence…I really do wonder how much Foles Impressive day figured into Vicks media meltdown?
    In Fairness, we have to point out the bad. By now you have all heard the two dropped interceptions. According to Jordan, Foles hasnt had a single turnover in camp. Compare that to VICKerceptions, Vick fumbling snaps(the only QB who can fumble wearing a red jersey lol) and our 33yr old veteran being the only QB to throw balls into fly swatters..YIKES! lol
    Another negative note on Foles according to Jordan is that he is still struggling with Long Ball accuracy, but was quick to also point out that it was also Donovans weakness in his early years, and he grew to be pretty good at it.
    We can downgrade all tis Foles talk by just writing it off due to no pads being on. But the Kid is doing what he is supposed to be doing, working on his weaknesses and constantly improving,. OTAs dont make you a good QB, but I would prefer our QB to look good in OTAs. Not sure how seeing someone look bad in OTAs can be a positive…In my mind, Foles is right on schedule ready to go into camp and steal this franchise!!!! Hopefully it materializes!

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 11:19 AM on June 9th, 2013:

    Something else with the long balls, when he missed, he missed long. In terms of ball security, that is the way you want it.

  49. 49 GEagle said at 1:26 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    yeah, I probably should have included that. thanks ATG

  50. 50 OregonDucker said at 1:50 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    For fun, google Darron Thomas and Marcus Mariota. Darron knew what Chip’s QB decision was going to be last year, despite his success as the Oregon QB. (You know, like leading the Ducks to the BCS National Championship game where we lost 22 -19 to Auburn.)

    According to Wiki: “At the end of his junior season, Thomas chose to forgo his senior year to enter the 2012 NFL Draft but was neither drafted nor signed as an undrafted free agent by any NFL team. On October 9, 2012, Thomas signed a practice roster agreement with the Calgary Stampeders of the Canadian Football League.”

    When I read about Foles/Barkley verses Vick, I always think about Darron. Vick sees the handwriting on the locker room wall.

  51. 51 D3FB said at 2:10 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Poor Thomas had to know Bennet or Mariota were gonna take his job. I don’t know if Vick is at that level yet but he certainly is uncomfortable with this competition.

  52. 52 shah8 said at 2:23 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Mariota is really, really, talented. *I* would pick Mariota over Thomas. Neither here nor there when it comes to the Philly situation.

  53. 53 D3FB said at 10:09 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    The thing is though is most people thought Brian Bennett would be the one knocking off Thomas. It’s always tough to take the leap into the unknown but sometimes the rewards just greatly outweigh the continued mediocrity.

  54. 54 GEagle said at 2:49 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    Very interesting Corelation..
    You really have to wonder if Vick’s meltdown was a direct result of Foles starting to put it all together, and “seeing the writing on the wall”…i dont think Vick realized how REAL this QB competition was really going to be..He has NO ONE to blame if he doesnt win this job but himself. I dont think playing Vick is in our best interest, but If he flat out won the QB competition, I would want him to be our guy(which is why I am against him being on the roster). Fair and true competition is a very valuable tool builder for a new coach. If you are going to open it up to competition, you have to be willing to live with the results.
    Vick has supperior physical ability over everyone he is competing with. He has 10 years of NFL game experience under his belt, and his competition combined doesnt have 10 games of experience under its belt. Like if Vick cant blow the competition out of the water(and I wont say that he cant just off of OTA’s)..what does that say about him? He has been given a fair opportunity, and his legs alone give him the tie breaker, Now its up to him.
    I dont care how a cornerback acts in OTA’s or during interviews. I really dont. Not after signing a superstar corner, class act, model citizen in Nnamdi..I just need our CB to perform on the field..But THE STARTING QB of the Eagles needs to be held to much higher standards. The self proclaimed leader of the Eagles cant be having public meltdowns. You cant handle questions, and some competition from Kids with half your physical ability? I dont know what that says, but Its probably not music to my ears…Of course, Vick could turn this negative to a positive and use it as fuel to work hard and go into camp sharp and ready to perform. Its going to be such an interesting summer. Hopefully this wont break anyone, and the competition will elevate everyone’s game.

  55. 55 aub32 said at 8:17 AM on June 10th, 2013:

    I just got a chance to check your response from a couple days ago on the Vick-Dawkins comparison as well as other things.

    First, let me say you are making way too many assumptions. You’re assuming Vick wants to be gone if he is not the starter. This is not a stretch, but you can’t fault a man for what you think he may do. Thus far Vick has been a model citizen in Philly. He has taken a literal beating out there on the field. There’s no reason to believe he doesn’t bleed green. He even restuctered his contract to stay. How to this point has he been unloyal to the team. My point was that no player is going to be so loyal that he will sacrifice his livelihood, and I brought up Dawk. You then looked at the reasons for his departure and gave him a pass. I’m fine with that, but then you went further and made assumptions about if he had to compete he would’ve stayed just because he loved the team. That’s bogus. Football teams don’t pay guys for past services, and they don’t owe teams anything. If I were in any of their shoes, I would get what I can when I can.

    I also disagree with you about there is no benefit to Vick starting if he doesn’t win the SB. If Vick wins the QB competition, he needs to start. For one, how do you even hope to win if your best players aren’t on the field. Also, Kelly is changing a lot of football norms. He needs to win early to keep the team on board. If Vick goes 10-6 making the playoffs, where as Foles would’ve gone 8-8 There’s meaning to that. Not to mention, what kind of message would it send the team if the better guy won the competition and had to ride the pine. Do you really think the older guys like Peters and Cole would be on board with that, knowing they could be next.

    You clearly have your hat in for Foles. I can’t say I get why you feel so strongly about him. He didn’t exactly light anyone on fire, and he was very turnover prone as well. I get reports are good of him in camp, but you help them with dismissing his mistakes. You get on Vick for his INTs but Foles would’ve had 2 in a row if they weren’t dropped. I also don’t see how overthrowing is so much better than underthrowing. Tell that to a single high safety.
    I know I’m a Vick fan but I will be fine if any of the other guys win the competition. You seem like you will boycott the season if Vick is the QB or claim the competition wasn’t fair even though you weren’t there to see the majority of it.

  56. 56 GEagle said at 1:33 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    No one found it interesting that Kendricks was talking baout how he has a way that he knows works to stop the Option?…Its like he so bad wanted to talk about it, but Spads kind of realed him in to keep a lid on it…Found it interesting

  57. 57 ceteris_paribus1776 said at 3:00 PM on June 9th, 2013:

    As great as it sounds that Foles connects deep with Jackson, anyone else not help but catch the final part of that quote unsurprised; “Safety Nate Allen several yards behind.”