Detailed Game Review – PS #2 – PHI 14, CAR 9

Posted: August 18th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 81 Comments »

The team made a lot of progress from the opener. That’s important to see.

That said, there is still too much sloppy play. The Eagles are turning the ball over. The Eagles aren’t coming away with takeaways. There are blown chances on offense, defense and STs. The team is playing hard and I like the energy and enthusiasm, but I’ll feel a lot better when some of the mistakes go away.

OFFENSE

I’m not going to get too much into offensive strategy. Sheil Kapadia and Derek Sarley do a fantastic job with that and offer excellent visual aids. It is fun to watch the Chip Kelly offense. He puts tremendous pressure on the defense by giving them so many things to defend on every play. One thing I did love was seeing the Eagles run on 3rd downs. This wasn’t always 3rd/2 or a draw on 3rd/15. Kelly isn’t afraid to run up the middle on 3rd/4. That is going to be fun to get used to.

There wasn’t much of a vertical element to this game. CAR seemed to be keeping Safeties deep. When that happens, you can’t force the ball downfield.

PLAYS

* Foles ran a play on the opening drive that was pretty wild. He faked to the RB, who was heading right. Foles then went left. He took a couple of steps upfield and then as a DB came up to get him, Foles threw out wide to Avant, who was behind the LOS. Cooper blocked for Avant and Jason got 6 yds on the play. This is tricky. NFL.com referred to the play as a pass. But Jason Kelce was 5 yds upfield when the ball was thrown. I think the play is designed to be a lateral. Would that be a run for Avant then? It did look like the ball went forward by half a yard, but there was an optical illusion since Foles was going upfield as he threw. Looked like backward pass. This is a college play that just made its NFL debut.

* One of the odd moments in the game came in the mid-3rd Qtr. Felix Jones was confused about where to line up. Matt Barkley was trying to get him to the right spot and it looked like he then wanted to make an adjustment. The clock was winding down so he called a timeout. Chip Kelly came on the field and was not really happy with Jones. Barkley put his hand on Jones to show support for his RB. Nothing like the rookie consoling the veteran RB as he gets chewed out by the coach.

PLAYERS

QB 

VICK - Took over in the 2nd Qtr. First play was a play-action pass. CAR sent blitzer, but he was easily picked up and Vick sat calmly in the pocket. Looked at his reads and then got the ball to Shady in the flat. Next play was another short pass to Shady in the flat. That was a quicker decision. Had a bit of pressure. No panic, just simple checkdown pass. Hit Avant with a strike on 3rd/12. Looked like Jason was his 3rd read on the play. Vick sat in the pocket and found the open guy to his left. Didn’t just get him the ball. Threw it into a semi-tight window and put the ball low so Avant wouldn’t get run over by a DB. That was an NFL throw. Moved the chains. On the next pass, he hit Emil Igwenagu over the middle with a strike for 15 yds. Hit DeSean with an easy pass for 11 yds to start a drive late in the half. Quick read, quick throw. Next play, same thing. CAR blitzed on the 2nd pass, but Vick was calm as a cucumber. Got some pressure on the next play. Initially stepped back, then broke to his left. Kept his eyes downfield and found Cooper for a gain of 22 yds. Couple of plays later finally decided to run for the first time in the preseason. Moved to his left and saw a lot of green grass. Took off and got 14 yds. My only complaint, he should have slid. I know…that’s a broken record. Vick dove, meaning he could legally be hit. Just hate that wear and tear when he’s playing well. Ran again on the next play. Read-option where he kept the ball and went hard to the right to try and score. A couple of guys took him down hard at the 1. Vick got up slowly. Not sure if he was hurting or just winded. On Shady’s TD run, Vick gave a hand signal to Cooper, who was out left. Riley then came in on a ghost reverse and that brought his CB with him. Shady ran to the vacated area for the score. I don’t know if that was an audible by Vick or the play was designed that way. Interesting. Got sacked late in the half. Didn’t do anything dumb. Just took the sack. Hit Polk on the next play with a safe pass. Polk got a 1st down and that set up a Hail Mary type play. Vick wanted to get out wide to the right, where he had 3 WRs, but there was pressure there. He rolled to his left and forced the ball into coverage. INT. The half was over so I don’t think this is a big deal. Kelly might tell him to just throw the ball away. Or maybe you hope for PI. Vick did get hit just after the ball was out and that may factor into what the coaches tell him about the future. If nothing good is likely to happen, might be best to play it safe and just run out of bounds.

Very good game. 9-10-105. The thing I loved most was his pocket presence. Stayed calm, even vs the blitz. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this Michael Vick before.    

FOLES - Started. Game began on a bit of a wild note. Team was backed up to the 5-yd line. First play was a pass. Nick was in the endzone looking for someone to throw to. Had time to look, but couldn’t find anyone. Should have just gotten rid of the ball quicker, but held it before eventually throwing it out of bounds near Avant. Was in and out of the endzone and made me very nervous. Got lucky. He was “hit” late and drew a penalty. Light hit moved the offense out to the 20. Hit Cooper for a short gain on the next play. DE was unblocked and coming right at him so the throw was low. Hit Ertz on a crossing route for a gain of 15. The ball was low, but catchable. Did a good job on a little play-action pass. Faked the hand-off, moved left and then had DE come free at him. Foles threw around the DE to Celek for short gain, but moved the chains. Made an excellent throw to Avant on WR screen. Got the ball out quickly and put it in front, where Jason could make the catch and already be starting upfield. Dropped snap on 3rd/4. Admitted later he was taking his eyes off the ball to watch the D. Picked the ball up. Stayed calm. Moved to his right and hit Avant for a 1st down. Almost had a disaster on a screen pass. Mathis let his rusher go and the guy got to Foles as he was just getting ready to throw. Nick wasn’t overly slow there, but probably needs to focus on making quick movements on the screen passes so he can deal with any pressure. Foles did get the ball away, but it barely went a yard since he was being hit as he threw. Ran to the left side for 6 yds. It was a read-option and he kept the ball. Faked throwing it out wide as well. After a couple of Shady runs got the ball deep, Foles ran for short TD. Had good blocking and just saw wide open lane to the pylon. Nick Kaepernick at his best.

Good game, but had some mistakes. There were the 2 dropped snaps. Nick admitted he was peeking at the defense. Can’t do that. Had to call timeout on opening drive. Killed momentum. I don’t know if that was his fault. Still has to be noted. The next play was the bad INT. Foles tried to throw the ball out of bounds, but didn’t get enough on it. In the Red Zone, it is critical that you make sure the ball is safe. He didn’t do that. Bad, bad mistake. As Kelly pointed out, the good news is that he responded with a TD on the next drive. Don’t let mistakes stick with you. Move on from them.

BARKLEY - Took over in the 3rd Qtr. First pass went to Polk in the flat. Didn’t get the ball there fast enough. DB hit Polk as the ball arrived and pass was incomplete. Hit Damaris with a quick swing pass. That was a short, but nice throw. Allowed him to get RAC yds. On the next play, hit Salas on the left side for 15 yds. Accurate spiral, but no zip. Hit Ertz on a corner route. That was a good throw. Ball was on time, on target. Gain of 21. Hit Johnson with another screen pass to the right, but this time a DB flew up and leveled Johnson for a loss. Hit Johnson in the left slot for a gain of 7. Good throw. Johnson was tightly covered. Pass had some zip. Quick read as well. Missed Salas on a crossing route when there was some mis-communication. Made back-to-back poor throws to Derek Carrier. Put a corner route just a bit behind him, but Carrier made a great catch. The next play was a short crossing route, but that also was behind him. Lack of chemistry or just crappy passes? Read a blitz and quickly got the ball out to Jones in the flat. Put too much air under the ball and the DB got to Jones quickly. Only a short gain. Hit Salas again on the left side, for a gain of 13. That was the mid-3rd Qtr. Threw behind Carrier on a crossing route in the late 3rd. For some reason, Matt struggled with crossing routes. Almost made a perfect throw to Harbor on the right sideline in the early 4th. Clay couldn’t secure the ball. About 6 inches too far. Pass was in the middle of 4 defenders.

Finished 8-14-72. Not as erratic as last week. Still has a long way to go. Looks like a rookie that is still adjusting to the speed of pro football.

DIXON - 3-3-20 as passer. 2-16 as a runner.

KINNE - No passes. Ran for a 1st down.

RB

SHADY - I’m not going to cover every play for Shady. Words don’t do his running justice. Looked sensational. Made dynamic cuts and looked as good as I’ve ever seen him. 8-47-1. Highlight was his 21-yd run. Amazing play. The TD came on a 1-yd sprint to the pylon. Good vision, speed and the normal Shady stuff. Had a good pass block on the opening play. Offense was backed up in the endzone and Shady saw a blitzing S and then took him on and stoned the guy. Good vision to see the blitz and then a strong, physical block to stop the guy. Caught a swing pass to open the 2nd Qtr and got 10 yds on that play. Caught the ball well in the game. Blocking was good. Great game.

B BROWN – DNP due to quad strain.

POLK - Backup RB, but played early. First run came at 10:30 of the 1st Qtr. Outside zone run where he got wide and turned upfield for gain of 4. Showed better speed and quickness than last week. Chipped the LDE on play-action pass after the fake and as he was releasing into his route. Subtle, but important. Had a 7-yd run up the middle after that. Made a simple cut and went upfield. Patient at first, then good burst. Didn’t go down easily. Had a good run up the middle on 3rd/2 wiped out by penalty. Got loose up the middle in the early 2nd Qtr. Had a nice gain, but then Thomas Davis poked the ball out. All fumbles are bad, but that was really bad. Wasn’t a big hit. Just running in traffic. Caught pass late in the half and hustled to get out of bounds. Was a bit careless in making sure he got the 1st down. Barely did. Should have gone upfield another yard to be safe, then out of bounds. Would be a very good game, but the fumble really hurt.

F JONES – Bad game, but did have one great moment. Unleashed a wicked stiff arm in the late 3rd Qtr on a draw play. Threw a LB to the ground. Nice. 4-14 as a runner. Looked slow. Also confused as to where to line up on the one play. Not good.

TUCKER - Had a good run up the middle on 3rd/4. Got 7 yds. Good burst, pushed the pile. Ran to the right side for 12 yds on the final drive. Showed some burst. Showed good burst on a run up the middle. Tucker is a big guy. He ran like a big guy. Went downhill. Ran hard. That’s what you want to see. 5-26 on the ground. If he doesn’t win a roster spot, could be PS material. Has NFL potential.

WR

D JACKSON – Quiet 1st Qtr. Partly due to CAR keeping both Safeties back a lot. There was an early play where DJax got by the CB and the deep S came flying up as he watched Nick’s eyes. If Foles had looked back to DeSean, had him for a big play. Instead, went to the TE. Caught a pair of passes late in the half. CAR was playing off and trying to keep him from getting deep. DeSean used that to his advantage and ran shorter routes. Still got 1st downs on both grabs. On the 2nd one, he used a good enough move in coming back for the ball that the CB fell to the ground. Got out of bounds on both plays. Had a good block of CB on Vick run near the GL. DJax isn’t big, but occupied the DB and kept him from hitting Vick. DJax and Vick weren’t on the same page on a scramble drill late in the half and that led to an incompletion. DeSean made a good tackle on the final play when Vick was picked off.

AVANT - Called for OPI on screen to Cooper. Has to time his block with the pass just right. Jason was blocking early and drew the flag. Next play was a screen to Jason. Timing/blocking was good and he got 10 yds on the play. Made a terrific catch on the next play. Was moving to his right and Foles got the ball a bit wide. Jason fully extended and was able to snag the ball. 1st down. Leading receiver in the game. 4-42. Gets open. Catches everything that comes his way.

COOPER - Made diving grab on 5-yd pass on opening drive. Good to see him go down and make a tough catch. Some big guys struggle with low throws. Good block on Foles TD run. Riley was hand-fighting with the DB. Saw Foles run. Riley then blocked him. Also got in the way enough that Kuechly couldn’t take a good angle to the ball and Nick got into the endzone. Caught 22-yd pass late in the half. Vick scrambled to his left and Riley was coming back to the ball. Went low and made a safe catch. Good job as a blocker.

D JOHNSON – Caught short swing pass in the early 3rd. Used hard cut and quick burst to get upfield for 15 yds. Few plays later, caught another screen. DB read it and flew up to slam Johnson down for a loss. Impressive to see the little guy take that hit and pop right up. Just because you’re short doesn’t mean you can’t be tough. Caught pass in the left slot on 3rd down. Only got 7 yds. Tightly covered. Took another hit and held on. Unable to catch short pass over the middle from Barkley. Not sure if Damaris was expecting the ball that quickly, but he was open. I wish he was getting more of a chance to show his RAC skills, but did prove he can work the middle and take some hits.

SALAS - Caught pass in early 3rd for 15. Got open on the left side and made a smooth catch. Was able to get a couple of RAC yds. Had a throw come his way on crossing route, but he and Barkley were not on the same page. Incomplete. Caught pass on the left side in the mid-3rd for gain of 13. Got no separation from the CB, but made the catch while tightly covered. This is what scares me. Is Salas fast enough to consistently get open vs good DBs? Finished 2-27.

SHEPARD - No passes went his way.

MOMAH - Up and down as a blocker. Good effort, but needs to have a better idea of what to do. Being in the right position is key. Do I want the DB sealed to the outside or the inside? Depends on the play, but there is a goal. No passes went his way.

N MILLER – Caught short pass and showed some speed as he got up the field. Extended up high to catch a short pass over the middle. Has some potential as a Damaris Johnson type. Small slot guy with some quickness/speed.

MURPHY - No passes went his way.

TE

CELEK - Good block of DE on edge run. Enabled Polk to get wide and turn upfield. Got help from Barbre on the play, but Celek had to control the DE. Had good solo block of DE to his side, although ball stayed inside on that. Had a simple play where he blocked the DE, then released him and was a target. Foles got him the short pass and Celek gained 5 yds on the play. Had an excellent stalk block on screen to Avant. Brent lined up in the slot. He went upfield, but didn’t engage the DB. Made the DB come to him. Then blocked him. This gave Avant room to run.

ERTZ - Got a lot better from last week. Lined up in left slot on outside run and had a terrific block. Engaged the DB 5 yds up the field and drove him off the TV screen. Ran a crossing route on the next play and made a good catch for a gain of 15. Had to go low for the ball. You like seeing a big TE that can get down and catch the ball. Had another good block on run play. Lined up as a wing. Came off the ball, engaged the DB and moved him back another 5 yds. Very good effort. Effective block in space on Johnson’s screen pass in the early 3rd. Caught 21-yd pass from Barkley in the early 3rd. Corner route. Caught the ball up high and then got both feet in. Good progress as a receiver and blocker.

CASEY - Very good block on Shady’s long run. Casey was on the left side, beside Celek. Casey sealed the LB and pinned him inside, letting Shady get free to the edge. Did a good job of in-line blocking on several plays. Most notably, he got enough of the edge defender on Shady’s TD run to let Shady get by him. Not all blocks have to be pancakes to be effective.

HARBOR -Seemed to spend most of the game lined up way out wide. Made an excellent attempt on early 4th Qtr throw his way. Fully extended, but could not hang on.

IGWENAGU - Got to play in the 1st half. Caught a pass from Vick. Lined up in the right slot and went over the middle. Smooth hands catch. Took a big hit and went hard to the ground. Got 15 yards.

SHAW - Good effort as in-line blocker. Pretty good job, too. Caught short pass over the middle. Penalty for false start.

CARRIER - First noticed him on the field in the mid-3rd. Needs to get stronger as an in-line blocker. Needs to work on his release on pass routes. Looked slow coming off the ball, which an athletic guy like him shouldn’t be. Had a terrific catch/run wiped out by penalty in the mid-3rd. Ran a corner route. Ball was behind him so he had to turn back for it. While also leaping to make the catch. Did this and finished a spin move as he hit the ground. Was then facing upfield and added 20 RAC yds. Gain of 36 wiped out due to penalty. That’s the first we’ve seen of his true athletic ability. Barkley came back to him on the next play. Threw a short pass over the middle, but it was behind Carrier and he couldn’t make the grab. Blocks more like a WR than a TE. Must work on that.

OL

PETERS - DNP.

BARBRE - LT. Another good game. Good block on opening pass. Stuck with his guy the whole play. Strange on 2nd play. Didn’t block DE. Started upfield, but it was a pass. Normally I’d say he was wrong, but with Chip Kelly…who knows. Helped Mathis double a DT and that opened a lane for Polk where he got 5 yds. Just looks comfortable in pass pro. Keeps a wide base. Moves his feet, but they aren’t “busy”. Simply mirrors the rusher. Made a terrific block on 3rd/4 run. DE for some reason went inside and Allen sealed him and gave Shady a big lane to work with. Had a terrific block of DE on Foles TD run. Rode him completely out of the picture and gave Nick a huge area to run through if he wanted. DE got off his block on run play and tackled Shady for no gain on inside run. Good play by the DE to go hard to the inside.

MATHIS - Love watching him pass block. Has quiet feet. Anchors really well for a guy who isn’t huge. Locks in and just hunkers down. Uses his hands well and always seems to be balanced. Amazing how much stronger you are when you’re balanced.

KELCE – Good to see him get upfield and block Kuechly, the MLB, on a Shady run for a 1st down. Kelce’s strength is blocking on the move. Sealed NT on backside on inside run. Got driven back 4 yds on run play, but never lost control of the NT and it didn’t hurt the play. Good seal block of NT on Shady’s long run. It looked like Shady could have actually taken that run right off Kelce’s backside instead of going out wide if he wanted. Showed the ability to get to LBs on a consistent basis and block them. Great sign. Did have some erratic snaps.

HERREMANS – Good game. None of last week’s sloppiness. Good block on Shady’s long run. Pulled left and got a shot on a LB that gave Shady space to work with. Called for holding on run play up the middle where Polk got loose for a good gain. Todd’s mistake was taking the guy to the ground. I think he’d have been okay with the initial block, which is all he needed.

JOHNSON - RT. Had a good initial block on the opening play, but after Foles held the ball for 3 seconds, the rusher got loose to the inside. Johnson stuck with and rode the guy by Foles. Lane didn’t panic and stayed with the play. Good block on Shady run to his side. Lane went up and sealed the LB at the 2nd level and gave Shady lots of room. You can see just how well he moves on that play. Picked off a backside blitzer on a pass play. Rode the DB wide to keep him from getting a free run at Foles. Must get better with his hands. Tried to block DE on 3rd down and the guy swatted Lane’s hand away before he could make contact. Lane has such good feet that he recovered easily and made the block, but won’t always be able to do that. Lane showed great hustle and speed in flying downfield on Shady’s long run. Lane didn’t really block anyone downfield on the play, but that hustle will pay off on other long runs. Good habit to get into. Opened the 2nd Qtr by picking off a blitzer. Nothing great about the block, but love the fact he saw it and there was no panic or hesitation. Just made the block. Looked good in pass pro. Showed the ability to handle speed off the edge and was also able to anchor well. Wasn’t over-setting to handle speed. Got beaten late in the half when the DE used a hard inside move. Flushed Vick, but didn’t hit him since Lane tried to stick with the block and somehow got the guy on the ground. The DE wanted holding, but there was no flag. On the next play, the DE again tried to go inside. Johnson was ready this time and blocked him well. Gave up a sack late in the half. Didn’t get his hands cleanly on the rusher. Bad technique. Let the DE get too close to his body. Needs to engage him more aggressively and use his long arms to control the rusher.

Good player, but like all rookies, he will have some ups and downs.

TOBIN - Backup LT. Mostly did a solid job, but had a couple of key mistakes. Called for lining up too far back and that wiped out a big play. Gave up strip-sack when he was cleanly beaten to the inside in the mid-4th. Hustled and recovered the fumble. Still, has shocked me with how effective he’s been as a pass blocker. Might be PS material. Could be OG and emergency OT in the future. Lacks the athleticism to be a starting OT.

TENNANT - Backup RG. Unable to get to LB on outside zone run. That guy made the tackle. Got knocked back on his heels by DE on pass play. Called for false start in the mid-3rd. Very uneven player for someone who’s been in the league for a few years. Isn’t all that athletic and isn’t a strong, physical blocker.

VANDERVELDE - Backup C. Better than last week. Good reach block to his right on outside zone. Stayed with the DT and kept him out of the play. Gave up pressure on mid-3rd Qtr pass when the DT beat him with a simple move. Anchored much better in pass pro this week. Used his hands well. Can get to the 2nd level, but isn’t at his best in space.

WATKINS - DNP due to concussion.

KELLY - DNP due to back.

KOPA - Backup RT. Uneventful showing. No major mistakes, but also no noteworthy blocks. Terrific size, but limited athlete.

PURCELL - LT late in the game. Whiffed on a run block and that led to a TFL.

REYNOLDS - Played LG with the #2 offense. Beaten cleanly by DE Wes Horton, who lined up at DT in the Nickel. Horton hit Barkley on 3rd down play. Moved a DT out of the way and gave Jones room on a draw play. Looked awkward pulling to his right on power play. Not smooth. Hit LB, but not flush. Didn’t get any snaps at C. More up and down this week after strong opener.

BAMIRO - Much, much better. Took over at RT in the mid-3rd. Tried to block the LDE on pass play, but didn’t get his hands on him and the guy pressured Barkley. Was beaten on the next play and the DE again hit Barkley. Best moment of his short NFL career came on draw play in the late 3rd. DE started upfield. Bamiro literally just tossed him to the ground. OTs push DEs on draws, using their momentum against them. Was great to see the big fella show his power like that. Big guys can beat up little guys. Got to the 2nd level and made good block of LB on inside run. Had a nice combo block on inside run. Threw a DE to the ground in pass pro. Clean and legal. Crazy block on the final play of the game. Tried to take on a DE on run play. Somehow got behind the guy. Then kinda got on his back and drove him to the ground. Poor DE had a 340-pound man on him and was totally helpless.

Bamiro is a big guy that plays…big. Love it. Still has miles and miles to go. Effective pass blocker now only because of size, strength and length. Needs a lot of technique work. But you can’t coach size…and he’s got plenty of that. Good to see him show potential. Still has little to no chance for the roster. Does have an NFL future if he can continue to get better.

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DEFENSE

The defense made great strides in a week. There were a variety of reasons, but the biggest one is that the players had a game under their belt and the coaches had game tape to use to teach them. Trent Cole can learn better by watching Trent Cole than he can Kevin Greene or some other former Bill Davis OLB.

The coaches did a lot of teaching this week at practice. The players responded by playing smarter and more aggressively. There were fewer mental mistakes, missed tackles and “what the heck was that” moments. This isn’t quite Gang Green Pt 2, but the defense is at least headed in the right direction. There were no Keystone Cops moments (like the LeGarrette Blount run from last week).

It was good to see the starters play a full half. We got to see them in different situations. It also gave them time to get loose. Trent Cole was better in the 2nd Qtr than he was in the 1st. Every snap is a learning experience for some of these guys as they adjust to the new scheme. The more they play, the better they should look.

* On 3rd/20 we ran 3-3-5. Cox-Thornton-Cole up front. Barwin, Ryans, Kendricks at LB. They all covered on the play. Just rushed 3. Need All-22 before any idea of what coverage really wast.

* #2 DL came in the game on the 3rd drive (late 1st Qtr). Geather – Logan – Square.

* CAR ran a play-action pass to open the 2nd Qtr. The TE and WR criss-crossed downfield. Nate Allen and Bradley Fletcher communicated well and made a clean switch. Nate pointed to Brad about who to take and each guy then went with the correct receiver. Huge step forward to see the players on the same page and communicating in the middle of a play like that.

* CAR had a sustained drive in the 2nd Qtr. At one point Davis replaced the DL and OLBs. Interesting move.

* There was a lot of Cover 3. This is one deep Safety and 2 deep CBs. The goal is to keep receivers from getting behind the DBs. This means giving up underneath catches and is one reason Cary Williams gave up a few. The strategy worked as CAR could drive into the Red Zone, but not score TDs. The Panthers longest pass play was 23 yards and they mostly moved the ball in small chunks.

PLAYERS

DL

COX - Better than last week. Chased Cam on the 2nd play of the game, after Ced had flushed him. Fletch showed his great speed on the play. Got good pressure on early 3rd down. Kendricks flushed Cam and Cox chased him out wide, almost getting a sack. Rare speed for a 300-pound DE. Got good pressure on 1st/10 pass by driving the LG right back into Cam’s face. More active, more disruptive.

SOPOAGA - NT. Did a solid job on screen. Stuck with his blocker and moved toward the ball. Took away the cutback lane. Got no pressure on pass to open the 2nd drive, but battled 3 different OL so there is no question of effort. Isn’t getting much push at all in the pass game. Hasn’t done anything bad, but he’s off to an underwhelming start.

THORNTON – Good game. Broke through on first play to get late pressure on Cam. On the next play, Ced drove the RT back to Cam and Ced lunged for him, then fell to the ground. That flushed Cam and led to an incompletion. Got pressure on early screen pass. Wasn’t gift pressure either. Screen was going away from him. Ced used his hands to get by the RT and into Cam’s face. Was unblocked on early run. Slammed the RB down for easy TFL. Impressive job on 3rd/20. Was NT in Dime. Drove the C backward. RB tried to chip Ced, but did nothing. Then hit the RG. Then went back to the C. Cam started to run and Ced took off chasing him. Power, speed and hustle.

GEATHERS - Played LDE at first. Shed block and tackled runner on his first play. Did give up 4 yds. Missed tackle of RB on inside run. Just threw the TE down on that play and was there for the stop, but couldn’t do it. Got a pretty good bull rush on the RG on 2nd Qtr pass play. Was able to generate initial movement, but couldn’t keep the guy going. Shed a block, chase the RB and made the tackle on a run play late in the half. Looked sorta athletic. Isn’t as physically dominant as I hoped. Plays smaller than he is. I’m pretty sure his hero is Dwight Freeney.

LOGAN - Got driven off the ball 5 yds on his first play, which was at NT. Not good. LG tried to block him on next play, a pass. Logan got by him and hit Cam. Attacked upfield on next inside run. Fell down and ball went away from him. Shed the block of the LG and stuffed an inside run for minimal gain late in the 1st half. Batted down pass late in the half. Quick hands. Got some push on pass play in the early 3rd when Boykin almost picked off the QB in the RZ.

SQUARE - RDE at first. Got off block and helped with tackle of RB on first play. Got blown 5 yds off the ball by double team on run play. There is nothing the least bit flashy about him, but Square gets off blocks and finds the football. Still slow off the ball at times and isn’t athletic, but smart, skilled and he uses his hands well. Doesn’t make mental mistakes.

CURRY - Came into the game late in the 1st half as part of Nickel. #3 RDE. Shed block in early 3rd and stuffed RB for a TFL. Fired upfield to go for another TFL, this time in the mid-3rd. Didn’t make the play. Not sure how coaches will feel about him shooting upfield like that instead of playing his gaps. Just destroyed the RG from RDT in the Nickel and forced an incomplete pass on 3rd down. Quick and used his hands well. Fired upfield to disrupt a late 3rd Qtr run. Vinny wasn’t over the OT so him shooting the gap may have been part of the play design.

KING - Played LDE in the early 3rd. Got sealed inside on first play and RB had open lane to attack. Used his hands to get off block of LG in Nickel D vs pass. Played RDE late. Did okay, but failed to stand out at all. Project.

DIXON - Came in at NT in the early 3rd. Got little to no push on pass plays. Looked slow. Didn’t stand out vs the run. Played late in the game as well. Bad sign when a former starter like Dixon is on vs 4th stringers and fails to stand out. I’m hoping he was just rusty after missing a couple of weeks of practice. Next week is critical for him.

KRUGER - Played LDE starting in the late 3rd. Got put on the ground on first play. Doesn’t have the strength to battle double teams very well. Got some pressure on the next play, which was a screen pass. Showed good speed. Athletic project, but isn’t physical enough and is still a bit raw in terms of skills.

WALKER - 4th string NT. Used his hands well to engage OL. Big guy. Also played some DE. Showed good hustle.

REMINGTON - 4th string RDE. Played some DT in the Nickel. Good effort, but limited push on pass plays. Played some NT as well.

OLB

COLE - Getting better. Dropped into coverage on first play. Buzzed to his area. Focused on player in front of him. Saw ball go over his head so Trent jumped and tried to get a hand on it. Solid job. Looked a bit spastic, but did his job on that play. Got some pressure on an early screen pass, but they wanted him coming upfield since pass went right to where Trent was. Eagles must have had a “game” on vs a run play. Cox went wide and Cole headed to the inside. Trent didn’t see the RB running his way until too late and missed the tackle. Still isn’t seeing the field the way he should. Best early pass rush came from DE in Dime set. Good burst, but LT still rode him wide. Best moment in the game was 3rd/4 in early 2nd Qtr. Was stand up rusher in the Nickel. Ran into the LT and drove him straight back to Cam, forcing quick throw. That stopped a drive. Lined up in the slot on a 2nd Qtr drive. Then rushed at the snap. Destroyed the TE that tried to block him. Cam got rid of the ball before Trent could hit him. CAR ran at him on the next play. Trent stood up the TE and shed the block, but couldn’t contain Deangelo Williams. Trent did tackle him 5 yds upfield. Called for neutral zone infraction in the 2nd Qtr. On the next play Trent stuffed a FB and tackled the RB for minimal gain on a play coming right at him. CAR tried to run outside of him in mid-2nd Qtr. Cole engage the blocker and moved laterally, forcing the RB to stay to the inside.

BARWIN - Good in coverage. Many early plays went away from his side. Lined up as LDE in Nickel and got good rush off the edge, but then used spin move to the inside and let Cam get wide of him. Can’t give up the edge to a mobile QB. Shed a block and tackled RB on cutback run to his side. Hasn’t stood out as a pass rusher, but is very good vs run and in coverage.

GRAHAM - Came into the game in the late 2nd Qtr. First play was a run to his side. Graham engaged the blocker and moved him back a step, but then flowed wide to keep contain. RB cut back inside where pursuit got him. Played DE/OLB in the Nickel late in the half. Tackled RB on a draw play. Showed good awareness on that. Drew a holding call late in the half when he rushed from LDE and cleanly beat the RT. Made nice play vs run in the early 3rd. Engaged the TE, shed him and crashed to the inside to get RB on inside run. Used a great dip move to get by the RT and pressure QB on pass play in the early 3rd. Almost led to pick. Hustles in pursuit. Looked okay covering TE over the middle on short route, but the ball went elsewhere. Had an excellent TFL in the late 3rd Qtr. Fired into the TE and then shed him and shot into the backfield for the stuff. Beautiful play. Opened the 4th Qtr by flying off the edge and flushing the QB. Led to bad throw & TFL. We know he can rush the passer. Played pretty good run defense. Still adjusting to being a OLB.

MCCOY - ROLB. Crashed to the inside and helped stop a run for minimal gain late in the 1st half. Continued to show speed and quickness as a pass rusher. Pursued well on a pass play where Cam rolled away from him. Drove the LT right back to the QB on 3rd down pass play in the mid-3rd. Good power. Flew into the backfield on screen pass where he was unblocked. Don’t think they anticipated him getting there so quickly. Love his size and athleticism. Looks like NFL OLB.

LONG - Played LOLB in the 4th Qtr. Stuffed FB on run play that came at him. Looped inside on passing play and flushed QB to Brown for a sack. You can tell Long has played LB in a 3-4. Smart player, even though he’s a rookie. Just not dynamic off the edge. Project.

BROWN - Played some RDE/OLB late. Had a gift sack. QB was flushed right to him.

ILB

KENDRICKS - Good game. Side-stepped a blocker on a screen pass and was able to get in on the tackle. Blitzed on early 3rd down. Got by the RB and dove for Cam. Didn’t get him, but affected the play and kept Cam from being able to get off a good throw. Over-pursued on inside run and didn’t cover his gap. Made a good tackle of Cam in space on a play where he had started to run upfield. Cam got about 5 yds. Kendricks kept outside leverage, which is exactly what you want. If you miss, send the runner back to the middle where there is more help. Kendricks also stayed low and was in good tackling position. Good when covering RBs and TEs. Got a TFL in the early 2nd Qtr when he read an inside run and just fired into the backfield to make the stop. Good burst, vision. Strong tackle. Came free up the middle on a delayed blitz and got the best shot of the night on Cam. Clean, but hard.

RYANS - Sorta quiet game. Good in coverage. Ryans is in the right spot. He’ll take away WR on shallow cross or drop 20 yds downfield and take away the seam. Doesn’t stand out until you watch the tape. Helped stuff a cutback run on the opening drive. Helped tackle RB on inside run to open the 3rd series. Stuffed the FB on an iso play and forced the RB to cutback.

CHANEY - So disappointing. Played ILB in 3rd Qtr. First play was a run to his side. Got blocked and RB went for 15 yds right through that area. Made a nice play vs screen pass in the late 3rd. Got in RB’s hip pocket and made the tackle right after catch. TFL. Good tackle. Played late in the game against fringe guys and failed to stand out. Struggled to get off blocks. Wasn’t instinctive. Needs to play WLB on a 4-3 team.

MATTHEWS - DNP.

ACHO - The Eagles 3rd best ILB and I’m not sure it is close. Came into the game in the mid-3rd. Made tackle on run play away from him on first snap. Moved laterally. Stayed back. Then made a good tackle. There was a run play in the late 3rd Qtr where Acho made the read and stepped up to make the tackle. As he was taking the RB down, Chaney was 2 yds behind him…I assume still trying to read the play. Yikes. Bit on run fake on 3rd/shot and left the FB open in the flat. FB caught pass and got the 1st down. Acho chased him down and made the tackle. Used spin move to get off block and make tackle on inside run. Had good coverage of TE on short route, but couldn’t make tackle. Gave up extra 5 yds. Does a solid job in coverage. Nothing special in terms of athleticism, but looks like a polished LB.

KNOTT - Came into the game late in the 1st half as part of the Nickel. Played in base in 3rd Qtr. On first play, tried to run around blocker and took himself out of the play. Must engage and shed. Had another 3rd Qtr run where he moved around the OL instead of taking him on. This will get him sent to the practice squad. Can’t do that. Got thrown to the ground by OL on inside run. On plays where he is kept clean, Knott gets to the ball and makes things happen. Really struggles with OL right now. Lots of potential if he can become more physical with blockers.

S

ALLEN - Started. Came down into the box on the 2nd play and stuck right with the TE, which helped to force Cam to throw the ball away. There was a blown coverage on the 3rd play. Was either Nate or Bradley Fletcher. I think Fletcher, but that’s just a guess. Nate hustled to the sideline to force the WR out of bounds. Had excellent man coverage of the TE on early 3rd down. Took him out of the play. Steve Smith was unable to grab a high pass to open the 2nd series. Nate was there to deliver a big hit if he did. Would have been good to see if Nate was able to do that or if he pulled up or missed. Nate did have the hardest hit by a DB last week, but he hasn’t had many in his career. Need to know if that’s changed or not. Tackled RB on inside run where he got to the 2nd level. Nate wrapped and got him down, but it wasn’t a forceful tackle. Was in the backfield and ready to get a TFL, but Kendricks beat him to the RB. Nate timed the play perfectly. Would have been good to know if he could have made that stop. Got a hit on RB on inside run, but didn’t wrap up. I think the coaches will grade Nate pretty high since he didn’t make mistakes, but we still didn’t get questions answered about his ability to hit/tackle.

CHUNG - Good game. Came up into the box and made the tackle on a screen pass that came his way. Helped Ryans stuff a run right by the LOS on the opening drive. Had downfield coverage of Ginn on early 3rd down. You could see Chung’s athletic limitations. Didn’t have the speed to stick close, but did his best. Pressure on the play kept Cam from having time to get the ball downfield. Came up quickly to tackle WR on catch over the middle. Tackled the RB right at the LOS on inside run at end of 1st Qtr. We used 8-man front and Chung was unblocked. Did a good job of playing in traffic and then making a strong tackle. Had tight coverage of a WR on a play where Cam was forced to scramble. Was used to cover the TE man-to-man at times. Did a good job. Was ready to light up Steve Smith after a catch, but Smith short-armed the ball and Chung pulled up as he saw it fall away.

WOLFF - Played in the 3rd. Helped Boykin tackle WR after catch to his side. Not afraid to come up and play the run. Took on FB aggressively in mid-3rd to help bottle up a run play. Showed okay range as he tried to help a CB with a WR on a deep ball. Came down in the box on a run play in the early 4th. Hit the FB and spun off him. Couldn’t tackle the RB, but slowed him so others got the TFL. Very impressive. I trust Earl as a run defender. Still trying to figure out how well he covers. Definitely behind Nate for starting job.

COLEMAN - Played in the 3rd. Played some in the slot. Made a good hustle tackle in the late 3rd after WR caught pass downfield. With new emphasis on size, Kurt needs to stand out more than he has. Needs to do something to make the coaches keep him.

SIMS - Played late.

ANDERSON - Had his best hit of the game came when he popped DL Daryell Walker late in the game.

PHILLIPS - DNP.

CB

FLETCHER - So far, the Eagles best CB. Good coverage on 2nd play of the game. Stayed close to the WR and forced Cam to throw the ball away. There was a blown coverage on the next play. I think Fletcher was at fault, but could have been Nate. Hard to say without knowing the scheme better. Fletcher was all over Greg Olsen on 2nd Qtr pass play, but Cam still got the ball in there. Tackled him immediately. Beaten by Smith on slant pass on 3rd/5 play. Fletcher got there 1/2 second after the ball. Not shy about supporting the run. Will get in traffic and try to get a shot on RBs. Had tight coverage of Smith on RZ pass play and the ball was thrown away.

WILLIAMS - Gave up completion to Smith on first play, but we were in Cover 3 zone and Cary did his job. Got body-slammed by Steve Smith on a run play. Wow. Smith made him look like a rag doll. Shocked me that Cary didn’t get up and go nuts. Kelly’s comments about playing with discipline must be working. Williams stuck with WR LaFell on 3rd down crossing route. Cam couldn’t get the ball in there. Gave up short completion to Smith and then Smith fought upfield to the the 1st down. Made a great play on 3rd/4. CAR ran short route over the middle. Cary knew they were throwing short due to down/distance and the route being run. Broke on the ball and knocked it away, without hitting the WR. That stopped a drive and forced CAR to kick a FG. Great anticipation, body control and ball skills on the play. Made an awkward, but effective tackle of Williams on run play that came to his side. Gave up a 15-yd pass to Smith on 3rd/6. Played off and was beaten easily. Made a shoulder-tackle of Williams on run to his side. Doesn’t seem to prefer wrapping up.

HUGHES - Played RCB in the 3rd. Called for strange penalty. Hughes moved early and that led the WR to move early. Very odd. WR got behind him on the next snap, but the ball was off-target and fell incomplete. Played press-bail coverage in late 3rd and gave up easy completion. Seemed slow to get there and touch the WR down. Gave up catch/run in the late 3rd. Played off and WR ran deep cross. Brandon didn’t close quickly and never even got in on the tackle. Not fluid in his backpedal. Poor COD. No closing speed. Good press coverage in early 4th, but WR got some separation and caught pass to move the chains. Not a good game.

BOYKIN - Had a chance to pick off a throw on 3rd/20 play downfield. Ball was too high for WR. Boykin went up and got his hands on it, but couldn’t make the grab. Not an easy pick, but you’d like to see him make plays like that. Had a good night in the slot, especially when pressing receivers. Able to stick right with them. Made a good tackle of Smith after short catch where Fletcher was the cover guy. Moved outside in the 3rd Qtr. Gave up completion for about 10, but then forced the WR out immediately. Got beaten again on the next play, but had tight coverage. QB just got the ball by him to the WR. Had excellent coverage on RZ pass play in the early 3rd. Was in excellent position to make the pick, but couldn’t hold onto the ball. That is a critical play. Must make those. The next pass play came right back his way. Boykin pressed and was all over the WR. Ball was incomplete.

MARSH - Injured on STs. Never played D.

POYER - Played the slot late in the 1st half. And in the 2nd half. Beaten to the flat by a WR on short route. The ball was off-target, but Poyer was a step late in getting out there. A good throw would have moved the chains. Poyer isn’t fast so he has to anticipate well and be one step ahead mentally. Got TFL in early 4th Q. WR made diving catch on errant throw and Poyer dove on him. Made good tackle of TE after he got away from Acho on short pass play. Played slot and outside in the 4th. Looked more comfortable. Maybe he’s starting to adjust to NFL speed.

WHITLEY - Good game. Played LCB in the early 4th. Had outstanding coverage on WR on deep ball. Played it inside out and used the sideline to pin the WR to a small area. Ball was incomplete. Came up quickly in run support and made a good tackle of RB near the LOS. Had very tight coverage of WR on play where QB was sacked. Had nowhere to go with the ball. Had good coverage of WR on 3rd/3 pass late in the game. Pass was overthrown. Has good feet and looks like instinctive cover guy. Good size. Hope to see him vs better players next week.

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ST’s

JONES - DNP

WING - Good game. 4-167. 41.8 per punt. Had 2 downed inside the 20. Also had to deal with pressure on several punts. Didn’t bother him.

HENERY – Good depth on KOs. Had 2 touchbacks. Missed 44-yd FG in the 3rd Qtr. Snap looked slow, but hold was okay and the laces were out.

– MISC –

KOR – Johnson had a 30-yd KOR in the 1st half. Boykin took over in the 3rd Qtr. Started right, then made a hard cut to his left. Made a tackler miss and used his speed to get out over the 40-yd line. Got 41 yds on the play.

PR – Damaris Johnson had a great PR. Only got 18 yards, but he made a dynamic move to get that much. Started to his right. Stopped on a dime and then cut upfield. #43 fell to the ground as he tried to stop and change directions. Johnson used his burst to get up the field. Didn’t go down on first contact. He’s short, but a tough runner. Really like him as a receiver/returner. That set up a TD drive. Johnson fair caught a punt late in the half. He had a blocker and defender near him. Made the catch like he’s done it 10,000 times. Calm, confident…totally focused. So different than last year.

Poyer took over as PR in the mid-3rd. Caught the ball well. No room to run on his first return. Nick Miller took over in the 4th. FC his first punt, but did have room. Sure he regrets that. Miller did have one good PR, for 11 yds. Late in the game he did a good job of letting his teammates know that a punt was short and they needed to get away. Ball ended up out of bounds, but it is crucial for PR to communicate and let guys know if the ball is short.

* Ertz got away with a block in the back on Johnson’s PR. Ertz barely made contact, but stayed with the guy. Dave Fipp will give him a lecture on that. If you hit the guy from behind, stop and get the heck away from him. Don’t stay there.

* Shepard made a terrific tackle on a KOR to pin the Panthers deep. He flew right through the wedge, untouched. Great hustle by Russell. Terrible effort by the Panthers on that.

* Salas was right by Barner on the punt that he muffed. Love to see WRs hustling downfield to cover punts.

* Shepard flies downfield whether covering punts or KOs.

* Eddie Whitley downed a punt inside the 10.

 


  • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

    “I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this Michael Vick before.”

    That’s what I said.

    Shocked the sh*t outta me.

    • Jack Waggoner

      And if he continues to play this way it will shock the sh*t out of the NFL.

    • bdbd20

      I’m not usually a pessimist, but didn’t we all say this in 2010?

      It will be interesting to see how he does against DB blitzes.

      • http://abigbuttandasmile.com/ A Big Butt and a Smile

        This isn’t 2010 AND Vick didn’t look this good in 2010. Vick has NEVER looked this good. Ever. Ever.

        Ever.

        “It will be interesting to see how he does against DB blitzes.”

        He did well against the blitz last year – no reason to believe he will regress and Kelly’s not stupid. Blitzing against this style of offense too often is not wise – you’re begging to be gashed on the ground or have a receiver rack up yards after the catch.

        • bdbd20

          I’m not gonna disagree with you. I’m just not buying in to a changed Vick just yet.

          I do trust Kelly more than Reid.

          • GEagle

            I’m really hoping that Chip speeds up the game to a crazy pace for Vick to keep the defense from being able to substitute and force them to play us more Vanilla, and take away their ability to get personel packages on the field and limit the amount of exotic blitzes thrown at Vick…I have been very disappointed at the pace he has played with thus far. It got better in the 2nd game. I’m not holding it against him cause it’s chip’s call…But since we are about to annoint Vick, I really hope he puts Vick through the ringer against The Jags forces him to play at an insane pace the entire time so we can really see how well he is ready to lead this offense…

          • holeplug

            Chip is probably saving that for the regular season. Vick even said after the Panthers game they can go a lot faster.

          • GEagle

            What’s the point of saving the tempo from the regular season? everyone knows we can play fast. You hide the plays that you will be calling. The fact that we are going to be running at a fast pace is no secret. I don’t expect them to unleash the playbook on fools during the preseason…use the same plays we have shown thus far, and give Vick a real dress rehearsal playing at the high pace that we will ask him to play during the year…It would Benefit Vick.

          • Flyin

            According to the NFL Highlights, Vick was playing faster than Foles with the small sample they clocked on this video… http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eagles/0ap2000000230521/Pre-Week-2-Panthers-vs-Eagles-highlights

        • OregonDucker

          Kelly will help Vick any way he can. Together they can kill blitzing teams.

          Like many, I am utterly shocked at the quality change in Vick’s play. He gets the scheme, the strategy and tactics, and he is executing at All Pro level. If he keeps his head (I know that’s a big IF), the Eagles are going to the Playoffs.

          • Alistair Middlemiss

            I am having to work really really hard to not get excited at the moment. My brain says we lack any proven playmakers on D, and thanks to our fast offence good QB’s and offences are going to pile a mountain of points on us, which we wont be consistent enough to match….

            But I have this itch in the back of my mind telling me that Vick has more natural ability than any QB in NFL history – everyone has just given up on ever seeing it all put together and IF he does with this OL, RB’s and Chip’s play calling we could see something spectacular…..

            Damn It! Hope is a cruel cruel mistress

          • GEagle

            we won’t ever have a proven playmaker(Big Dogs) on Defense until one of our young players develops into one. our Defense is just a group of puppies with a few old dogs like Cole and Soap. If our Big Dogs don’t emerge from this group of puppies, we still won’t get one until we draft(a new litter of puppies) and develope one…Our playmakers will be home grown, we just don’t know who they are yet or if they are he yet…sorry for the Dog references, I just bought a puppie today and I named him Kendricks, but I’m debating changing it to Fletcher.

            Hopefully the coaching staff ties Mykal Kendricks up, holds him down and shoots him up with HGH…Jk

          • A_T_G

            Fletcher? Not Cox?

          • GEagle

            Been debating it…Gotta make up my mind soon lol..can’t change his name every other day

          • A_T_G

            Think of the opportunity to pick up girls at the park:

            “Cox down! Sorry, he gets excited when he sees you.”

            “Hey there, have you seen my Cox?”

            “I’m teaching my Cox to do tricks. Would you be able to help me out and hold the balls?”

            “No, it’s okay. My Cox is always gentle when he plays with little girls.”

            Okay, maybe not that last one.

          • GEagle

            SOLD!!!! Cox it Is!!!

            And if a girl ever looks at me offended, I will just pretend to be mad at him and scold him using his full name..Fletcher Cox get over here!!!

          • matthew Verhoog

            Unfortunatly, wiht our defense we are going to have to win games 50-48 . But winning wiht a bad defense has been done lately, so there’s hope.

          • GEagle

            I’m hoping thenfactnthat Foles has been on his heels the entire time, and the fact that Foles is ready to go into an NFL game and score some points keeps Vick sharp and dialed in…Foles stinking up the joint, and Vick being the only QB that Chip feels comfortable playing in a game would worry me. Thanks to Nick, I’m not sure Vick can afford to get complacent this season and that is something to be very excited about…

            If Vick just continues to work and act how he has since Chip arrived, well that’s a different Type of Vick, and I’m not going to sit here and say what That Vick can’t do..
            ..
            If Vick would have taken off against Carolina, gotten the first down, slid as the defenders closed in on him, I would have been so excited. If we are going to invest time, snaps, opportunity cost(game time from Foles development/real evaluation of Foles before the next draft) in Vick then I just ask for him to be judicious with the Ball and his body. So Far he has been great with the ball. Hopefully sometime before now, and kickoff in Washington he proves that he is willing to take care of his body better than he has in the past because Then there would really be something exciting about. Rooting for him to figure it out

      • TheRogerPodacter

        someone noted that we have been seeing DB & LB blitzes off of the edge against vick in the PS already and that they have all been picked up just fine.

        either something is different about those blitzes or the OL play is improved enough that it all got picked up.

        • GEagle

          No one is going to show their exotic defenses in August. the only reason they blitz at all is for their own evaluations..

          This is why it’s tough to get excited about Vick. The parameters of the preseason don’t provide opportunity for him to prove the real issues we have with him. It’s bad enough that he is going to get to start without ever having to prove that his head won’t explode when then exotic blitzes start coming…but it’s aggrivating that he isn’t having to prove that he will protect himself and take advantage of all the rules the nfl has in place to protect its QBs and give them the best chance of playing 16 games.

          I know Vick is going to be our starter, and I’m Pumped for the season. But if I’m being honest, my excitement literally has nothing to do with Vicks performance. It’s nice to see, but the issues that I have with him haven’t been challenged. My excitement level for Vick comes from my faith in Chip. When Coaches look at a young QB, with so little experience as Foles and see how he has handled himself this preseason in a high pressure situation, they come away impressed and think of what they can turn him into..For our trusted Leader to see what Foles has done, and decide that Vick is the better option, that’s where my excitement comes from! Not from Vick picking vanilla defenses apart, sitting in a clean pocket for 3 seconds…The preseason just won’t provide answers to my issues with Vick, and that’s not really fair to him. he has done everything that has been asked of him, carried himself like a stud, and passed every test that has been placed in front of him. he deserves this. Although I remain skeptical I am proud of how he stepped up this offseason, so…GO VICK, and GO EAGLES!

  • Anders

    Love to hear guys like Babre and Bamiro is looking good. You need effective backups along the OL.

    I got a question regarding Bamiro, he seems more like a mauler type that Castillo preferred than the more athletic type Kelly seems to prefer, is it just because he is huge or that we are kinda spoiler with guys like Peters and Johnson?

    • ACViking

      I don’t know. But Bamiro seems to be light enough on his feet.

      And I wonder if he has a future at guard.

      I’ll leave the last word on both questions to T-Law and Austinfan.

  • austinfan

    Bamiro may make the final roster simply because they don’t want to expose him to waivers – depends if he continues to progress, but there aren’t a lot of big RTs with the athleticism to block on the second level. He’s really raw, but I see some Jon Runyan in him.

    • Jack Waggoner

      I’m not saying you’re wrong but most teams are more in love with their own project players than other ones they can pick off other rosters. If he’s not close to ready to play, there aren’t a lot of teams out there that would be interested in the slightest in taking up one of their roster slots. It would be a risk to expose him but not that big of a risk, IMO

    • TheRogerPodacter

      how does the move to the PS work? if we put him on the PS and some other team wants him, don’t we have the option to keep him by moving him up to the game day roster? (not sure if he would have to dress or not).

      i’m thinking that maybe we should *try* to get him on the PS, but if another team tries to take him, we can then move him up to the active roster.

      isn’t there also a period in between when all of the players are released and when we can put players on the PS? could he then be signed by another team before we are given an opportunity to move him up to the roster?

  • GEagle

    I’m a team Foles guy, but qb competition is over. Vick has done everything Chip has asked of him, and it’s been close so there is no way he embarrasses Vick and benches him to start the season. It’s easier to Start Vick and then go with Foles if Vick screws up, then vice versa..
    ..
    Vick is the QB, and he has looked good. I agree that his poise has looked excellent, and I’m glad he got to see a few basic blitzes from Carolina. When Vick is good, he is usually great. I would feel much better about going into the season with him, had he faced some adversity in the preseason and proved not to unravel. makes me very nervous to not see him face exotic blitzes and trot him out on the field again. His timing still needs some work, and he still won’t survive 16 games because he is too…(I dont even know what to call it at this point), to slide…It’s kind of dissapointing that Chip isn’t addressing the sliding. This is such a close QB battle that chip could have actually gotten Vick to break that horrible habit if he made Vick understand that taking hits when he doesn’t have to is not acceptable. Vick is playing and competing for his life. if Chip would sit him down and tell him flat out that if you don’t slide you won’t be our QB, bet how quickly Vick “Learns” to slide.

    Foles has shown a ton, he has also shown a Ton that he needs to correct( but I expected that to begin with out of an inexperienced guy). BUt the kid continues to show Moxy, and the ability to not Unwind when things get bad…something I wish Vick had a chance to prove in the preseason. I almost would have prefered to see him not be so perfect…I reall was impressed with Nicks ball placement on short and intermediate routes. he threw some perfect balls to WR in stride(like the play Tom pointed out)…
    ..
    From the looks of the preseason, we can sco some points with either player and that’s more we could have asked for back in Febuary. Go Birds!

    • Jerry Goldstein

      I can’t get behind Vick for the simple reason that it is inevitable that he gets hurt this season. He looked like he almost got his head ripped off on that one run play.

      • xlGmanlx

        might as well get behind 7, chances are we are going to see foles anyways, but might as well support both. I am just hoping for sustained success and progress.

        • GEagle

          I was a team Foles guy when I thought there was a chance of him being our starter. It’s clear that isn’t going to happen, so nothing left to do but to get behind mike Vick. FLY Vick Fly!!!

      • GEagle

        I hear you man, it drives me insane. chip allowing it also disappoints me. If History repeats itself then we are just a bunch of fools who don’t deserve to win…

        as a Foles guy it’s like yeah. I will Still get to see Foles but it bothers me because if Foles is going to finish the season anyway, then why are we taking game time away from him…What if we are a playoff team and Vick doesn’t get hurt til week 14? I would hate to see Foles get thrown into the playoffs with two games under his belt.
        ..
        The Fact of the matter is this isn’t a coincidence. if Vick doesn’t do something different, then he isn’t playing 16 games. Simple as that, and once defenders know you can be knocked out of games, they hit you even harder. every time Vick leaves the pocket defenders are going to end the play by jumping on him and landing on his back and ribs trying their hardest to knock him out of the game….No way he withstands that for 16 games, and there is no way that will ever stop until he slides and opponents start getting 15 yard penalties from jumping on him..
        ..
        It’s a league that protects QBs…Is it to much to ask to not watch the one QB who won’t take advantage of it? I really really hope he changes for his sake, and ours. if he can’t fall on his butt, then stay in the pocket and throw the ball away…

        • OregonDucker

          If it’s any consolation GEagle, both Foles and Barkley will get to play in many games. By the 4th quarter, the Eagles will be so far ahead, Vick will not be in the game.

          • GEagle

            :)

    • SteveH

      I agree, you have to go with Vick. Unless he really craps the bed in the 3rd PS game he’s outplayed Foles to this point, so you have to give him the job based on the idea that it was truly a competition.

      I too am curious to see how Vick responds to adversity, but who knows, maybe Chip will bring out the best in him.

      • GEagle

        It’s not so much that I have a problem going with Vick. it’s that I have a problem going with Vick if he isn’t going to take advantage of the rules that the NFL has in place to protect himself. in other words…playing Smart Football…I don’t need him to thread a seam route 30 yards down field between 3 defenders..I Need him to fall on his butt before he lets a defender crush him. At any point in time he can decide to fall on his butt and not get hit. It’s not Rocket science. He can correct it anytime he wants with ease..l..Here’s hoping this will be the year that he finally does it. Cant start if you can’t play…won’t be in Philly next year unless you take us to the playoffs. can’t take us to the playoffs if you can’t play…Is this enough to finally get the light bulb to go off? God I hope so…

        Vick came out against the Skins, ripped off a big 20 yard run on 3rd and 15, slides, defenders will never expect it, and you know defenders from our rivals are gonna try to blast Vick, so he would definitely draw The 15 yard flag…If I were to see that happen. I can’t explain how Pumped I would get!! there is no play that would excite me more than Vick falling on his butt lol…How sad is that? But if I saw that I would be so jacked up with real hope!!

  • GEagle

    if we are going t start Vick, so be it! I will root for him like a madman just like I have rooted for every Eagle to take the field..I don’t expect Vick to win us a SB, but I just hope to not make the same mistakes over and over…I understand we are going to lose games. But I can’t stomach beating ourselves…I won’t be able to stomach us losing because Vick is unwinding and killing us the way the majority of Eagles nation thought he would. If Chip starts Vick, I hope he knows what he is doing. There is Tons of precedent about Vick getting coaches fired for Chip to look at..he can’t plead ignorance. If Vick starts, I’m going to be excited because I trust Chip and I expect him to be smarter than us…

    • eagleyankfan

      One thing we don’t know — is how Vick(and coaches for that matter) will handle the 4th quarter in tight games. We’ve seen Vick perform well at beginning of games.
      Expecting Vick to have this level of success during the season is silly talk. People should expect Vick’s play to fall way off once the season starts. NO QB can maintain those numbers. It’s how Vick handles it that will tell the tale. I’m cautious optimistic. :)

      • A_T_G

        So a 90% completion percentage isn’t going to last through the season? Such negativity.

        • eagleyankfan

          see what pre-season does to perception? There’s already mvp talk…

          • GEagle

            I hate that part of the preseason. it’s good for young players, horrible for the vets

  • xlGmanlx

    7 has earned the nod, but I want to see the same write ups in November and December about him being patient in the pocket and protecting the football. Whoever is the starter, turn overs, especially in the red zone, cannot be tolerated.

    • eagleyankfan

      Whoa — you expect him to last that long? Good for you. I hope so too.

  • ACViking

    T-Law . . . and Austinfan (if you’re inclined):

    How much does the offensive scheme — not the blocking techniques themselves taught by Stoutland — impact the readiness and performance, at this point, of guys like Barbe and Bamiro?

    Also, if you wrote out the ideal height/weight for each of the Eagles’ O-line positions that you think Chip Kelly wants, what would they be . . . besides freakish guys like Peters?

    • austinfan

      I think Stoutland changes the Mudd equation slightly, he focuses more on footwork so somewhat less athletic but more powerful OL can work (not Warmack, but bigger than the Mudd guys). Watkins has been a good example so far.

      However, Barbre is almost as athletic as Mathis, he may be a beneficiary of Stoutland, but like Mathis, he may also look better in a zone blocking system that puts a premium on athleticism.

      Bamiro may benefit more from Stoutland, but even there, he’s more athletic than someone like Fluker, he’s just really raw given his college career (of lack of same) – but you can’t teach size and athleticism. Big guys who can block on the second level are rare, right now his problem is dealing with NFL caliber speed rushers who he never saw at his level of competition – but with his length, he can learn to adjust to them.

      • Ben Hert

        All this Barbre and Bamiro talk has me worried about the future of Dennis Kelly. Where does he stand in all of this?

  • ACViking

    T-Law:

    Thanks for all your remarkably hard work on these exhibition games.

    And we don’t care that Jimmy Bama thinks you’re too involved for this early in the season!

  • ACViking

    Re: the “new-old” Vick

    T-Law:

    From my 13-year old perch in the deep South, I’ve seen this version of Vick several times.

    Certainly in the preseason in 2002 — against utterly vanilla defenses — and the GB playoff win that year. Dan Reeves simplified his system. Vick excelled and, as we know, essentially just on his raw skills, Vick looked good when he just needed to make a quick read or two and then run. Same in 2004.

    But it’s possible Vick’s the second coming of Earl Morrall — just faster. Vick has many years and many starts under his belt. You’d expect him to look good when he has time to throw. [Aside: Foles may be an Earl Morrall in waiting.]

    Of course, it was said of Morrall during his great MVP run in 1968, when he led the Colts to a 13-1 record and the historical SB-III against the Jets, that his teammates were holding their collective breath come playoff time . . . because they knew that the Morrall they’d seen on the field all year was not the Morrall of the past 12 years.

    They were right. In SB-III he came crashing down to earth. (Even in ’72, when he helped lead the Dolphins to a 14-0 regular season, he again hit the skids in the playoffs, getting replaced by Griese in the ‘phins first playoff game against the Browns.)

    As Brent Cohen at Eagles Rewind has postulated, Vick’s performance will likely revert to the mean established over his career. Seems fair to argue that will begin when the real bullets begin flying.

    NOTE: I’ve no clue if Foles would do any better. I only know Foles has 6 NFL starts, while Vick has 102. So shouldn’t Vick look “lights out” against exhibition-level defenses?

    • Jack Waggoner

      I don’t know… why does it have to be Earl Morrall… why not Jim Plunkett

      • ACViking

        Excellent question. And you could argue for the comparison.

        Anyway, I picked Morrall for three reasons.

        First, Plunkett was actually a forgotten man for almost 2.5 seasons before the “resurrection.” Never threw a football in anger during that time.

        Second, after Plunkett took over the Raiders offense 5 games into the 1980 season, I’ve never understood that the Raiders — read Al Davis — were worried that Plunkett would implode.

        Third, I always hated the fact that Plunkett threw two passes in the 1980 SB against the Birds that should have, at a minimum, batted away — but instead turned into TDs of 80 and 29 yards.

        Luck that day was with the bigger team . . . . Maybe that’s an omen.

        • shah8

          Vick was becoming a much sounder passer in 2006, and he always was a naturally good passer. The two issues are pretty much what happens to many QBs, he was a young QB that needed his four to five years of seasoning to be truly any good, and he was playing for very low talented and outside of Reeves, poorly coached teams.

          As far as Vick being a new man? No, people don’t really change all that much. It’s pretty much the same Vick from Atlanta, except more refined. And he has always been a QB that would kill you if you didn’t shred his OL constantly with blitzes Gunther C-Style. With protection Vick will pretty much shred defenses, not because he’s like Brady and be all pinpoint (though his accuracy is pretty good), but because he’s a passer that forces the defense to defend the entirety of the field, particularly with DJax, and so commands lots of soft zones for the like of Celek and Avant. What you saw last Thursday was why it was never possible for Foles to unseat Vick–and Foles really *has* to command some sort of threat to throw DJax deep.

          The primary caution is that you know, and I know, and every NFL coach knows, that Vick cannot be given the time to make those 15, 20, 25 yard throws to the likes of Riley Cooper. So most of this vanilla scheme isn’t all that serious. Come the regular season, we’ll be back to seeing plenty of stunts, twists, and delayed blitzes, even when they don’t work most of the time. Everything hinges on the offense’ capacity to power the ball in the red zone. If we’re able to run well in the red zone and credibly so…hmmmm….well, how’s that defense going?

          • ACViking

            Vick has been the proverbial tease his entire career.

            Brent Cohen at Eagles Rewind makes the same point: reversion to the mean.

            I’m happy to wait until week 16 to see if his performance was anything more than a mirage reflecting off pre-season defenses.

            Until proven otherwise over a full season, Vick is a liability.

            Sorry, his career — save ’02 and ’04 — repeatedly proves that fact.

          • shah8

            Nah, he really hasn’t been a tease. As a young player, he was the most effective young QB since Dan Marino, even when he was still raw as a passer. When all you’ve had as receivers were Alge Crumpler and Mike Jenkins, and your OL was as bad as it was…well…

            There’s just a pretty big cottage industry in football punditry for pretending every time Vick is good, it’s just some sort of accident. Hasn’t really ever been true. As much as people claim Vick is overrated because of his highlight reel, he’s actually pretty underrated…

            Right now, I’m looking at a pretty poor Giants-Colts game, and Reggie Wayne’s the only one really showing up. Eli Manning is not playing anything like excellent, like he usually does. And Luck? Jeez, just one nice throw, which was an incompletion, and a lot of really marginal throws otherwise, including one that should have been an interception. He really does look like a Matt Ryan level talent that’s not as coddled as Ryan is by people who know his limitations.

          • A_T_G

            You honestly believe that you know better than every other commenter, writer, TV personality, and front office, don’t you? (Not to mention statistics and win/loss record.)

            You speak with absolute certainty and offer zero support or research to back statements that are completely contrary to every narrative I have ever heard.

            There is part of me that admires this trait. There are certainly times where it would be useful. More often, though, I would be concerned about just how silly I would look when, waxing profound with a finger in the air, I walk right into a lamp post.

            Since you are apparently the foremost authority on the abilities of Vick, would you mind putting a little finer point on things for me? Now that I am seeing the Vick you knew would emerge (or rather was always there?), what expectations should I have for the season? Will I see any bone-headed interceptions? Any fumbles from holding the ball like a kid with a toy airplane? Any more sulking over his ripped and battered cape on the end of the bench?

          • ceteris_paribus1776

            He’s always gotten a good chuckle out of me. Surprised he hasn’t been picked up as a QB coach/scout. All I’ve heard all morning on NFL radio by former players and coaches was how good Andrew Luck looks, one errant throw aside…

          • shah8

            That’s basically happy talk stuff. Andrew Luck didn’t play that well, no matter what Shutdown Corner or anyone else said. One of those TD passes was nice, but there were few passes that were well thrown yesterday. Preseason, though.

          • poetx99

            i gave some rationale for that in a very long-winded reply to you, above. vick has played for some of the worst game-day coaches and playcallers in the league.

            the argument is moot, of course, pending the actual results of the season, but i do detail my reasons for unabashed optimism.

          • poetx99

            this. regularly blitzing CBs and safeties is unsound against a team that will counter-scheme it. but andy and marty never did. instead, they tried to max protect it, and still hope vick could stay upright long enough to hit a double teamed desean deep.

            if teams do that now, one of these baker’s dozen TEs on the roster will catch an easy slant in the spot vacated by the blitzer, and truck the remaining secondary guy. or we’ll hand off to shady who now has one less second level defender’s ankles to break.

            the playcalling and scheming/gameplanning will make a HUGE difference.

            also, the pressure is off his shoulders. he knows that at worst he can just have a foles-like game and throw 20 5 or 10 yard passes and the chains will still move.

            and, granted, it’s only been a couple of games, but damn if barbre doesn’t look way better thank bell or dunlap at the tackle spot.

            with peters and LJ bookending the line (and no watkins), AND safeties and LBs needing to be run conscious for the first time versus the eagles in forever, vick and our TEs and WRs are gonna leave some secondaries in tatters.

            the offense didn’t even have option routes before.

        • ICDogg

          Remember about a month before the Super Bowl, the Eagles and Raiders played an awesome defensive game. I think it was 10-7 and Humphrey had a 3 or 4 sacks. I think if it turns out that Trent Cole just isn’t a good OLB he could be a nickel specialist like Humphrey.

    • poetx99

      to be sure there are CONSIDERABLE differences in situation that make me think that vick’s play this year will be at the level of 2010 or better:

      this will be the first time SINCE playing in reeves’ offense that he is in a truly balanced attack. the mora/knapp tenure in ATL was ridiculously run-centric and the passing concepts (route design) was juvenile. the real architect of that offense was ‘offensive consultant’ alex gibb, whom the falcons got from denver to install the zone / cut blocking scheme. the running game was tremendous (between the 20s – it was a finesse scheme and they could not convert short yardage) but their passing plays consisted of a drag route to crumpler on a play action fake (the stretch/boot combo), or ‘all curls’. the WRs made pinkston and thrash look sure-handed AND full of heart.

      with andy and marty, vick played in almost the polar opposite. he got to play with some NFL-caliber passing concepts, and demonstrated the ability to do serious damage with his arm, as epitomized by the WAS MNF game. his downfall in andyball was based upon two things. one, andy’s ridiculous refusal to run, and over-reliance on PA that has not been set up by any credible threat to run the ball. secondly, leslie frazier, in the vikes game, put in a desperate scheme that is fundamentally unsound, but which monte kiffin had put in against vick during the 2nd half of a drubbing by ATL in ’06 — SECONDARY PRESSURE.

      almost everybody sends a cat blitz every now and then, but frazier (as did kiffin) did it as a primary defense. almost an audible. if you see stretch action to the opposite side, blitz the nickel or safety on the chance that vick keeps the ball and tries to get out the back door.

      frazier also did it on straight dropbacks. the rational counter to such a thing is to throw a quick pass to the vacated area. but what reid and marty did not do in that vikes game in 2010, they continued to not do for the rest of their tenure. they stayed with the long, slow developing routes and trusted the protection. so, as the line went, so vick and the offense went, in boom or bust fashion. and for the rest of 2010, and much of ’11 and ’12, most of the boom was the sound of vick getting hit, HARD, while trying, in vintage donnie mac fashion, to prove that he was a ‘real’ QB and stand tall in the pocket. granted, this was pre- all 22, but i tivod all of those games, and would break down the passing plays, especially. very very seldom did we have ‘open’ routes (seams, quick slants, etc), that could be used as hots/sight adjusts on a blitz. andy and mm depended, as did knapp and mora, on vick avoiding the blitz with his feet and buying time in order to make the sports center plays. remember all the max protect which kept both shady and celek blocking and it still made no difference as we lost one on ones all across the line?

      already in PS, we’ve seen vick deal, almost routinely, with secondary pressure off the short edge. in this offense, he has a lot more places to go with the ball.

      and, by design, the spread formations and threat of the z/r also greatly simplify the pre-snap looks. as tommy mentioned, vick is going through several progressions. he’s looked off LBs and Safeties on big plays. on the td to desean vs. NE he recognized the alignment and coverage favoring the bomb and held the safety w/ his eyes. vs. CAR they stayed with the 2 deep look, so he and djax did the 12 yard stop / comebacks twice in a row looking as routine as practice.

      based upon all of that i really think that vick is playing in his first complete NFL offense… certainly the most complete since he played for dan reeves in ’01 and went more than half a season before throwing his first INT.

      the line is healthy, and the running threat is very real (shady behind 5 on 5 blocking as your ‘worst case’ read is amazing). vick will have a top 5 kinda year this year.

      • shah8

        One thing Vick does need to be better at is passing into the endzone in ~and goal situations.

      • TheRogerPodacter

        saw all of your posts over at BGN on the same subject. thanks for sharing here as well.

  • ztom6

    Only comment is that Vick’s second run did not appear to be a read-option play, it looked more like a designed counter, with Barbre pulling from the backside to act as a lead-blocker for Vick.

  • since1961

    Tommy, my Page Down key got a real workout when i was sizing up this post. I’ve been “watching” the Igs for a lot of years, but you are making me so much “smarter”. I could go through the Offensive DGR and highlight all the key concepts i never knew, but your screen would bleed yellow. THANKS! (just a wild guess it takes more than an hour or two to do the DGR, and I really appreciate your commitment — in PSG 2!!)

  • Flyin

    Was anyone as over whelmed by the pace of the 1st half as I ? I mainly only watch Eagles games and it was just so firiggin’ different from the past. The pace, the play action, fake handoffs, pump fakes with multiple in the same play. I just have play action… pass, drilled in my memory… over and over again.

    And the tempo got my mind winded. I felt like I needed a break. So much, so fast. And this is just the beginning of what’s to come. I think coach Rivera said the defense got too focused on the mesh point. Even the tv cameras where following some of the fakes.

    This is going to be fun!!!

    • GEagle

      I just love how awesome it is to watch a sped up version of football…Little time in between plays, it’s just awesome…and like the commenters said during the 2nd game, it now feel weird and slow watching other teams huddle

  • Daniel Norman Richwine

    Preseason and all that, but if Michael Vick plays like that a whole season, he will be in the MVP conversation. lead the receivers, cool, ran seldom but devistatingly well, spread the ball. unstoppable.

  • A_T_G

    If Foles does see action this year, which seems likely, I think he can handle the pressure. The first series, the first play, of likely what he knew to be his last, best chance to get the starting gig, and he stood tall on the goal line, shifting and being patient.

    You could argue he should have thrown it away, but you have to admire the ability to stand there, knowing a sack-fumble-touchdown seals his fate, and trust his teammates.

    • GEagle

      So much of what I have seen from that kid gives cause to be excited about in the future. Some Great QBs sit on the bench for years, before they ever get throw in against NFL starters. Whether Foles won the job or not, he was never going to be even close to a finished product this year. From what I have seen so soon in his career, it makes me excited to see what he will look like in his 4th and 5th seasons…

      If you have two QBs, then you have no QBs? I’m not sure about that….

  • eagleyankfan

    When do the “cut backs” start and when is roster finalized? TIA.

    • Flyin

      August 27 – Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must reduce their rosters to a maximum of 75 players

      August 31 – Prior to 6:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must
      reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List.

      http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/6/7/4407238/2013-nfl-league-calendar-roster-cuts-deadlines

      • eagleyankfan

        Thanks.

      • A_T_G

        Why’s it gotta be New York time? It can’t be Lehigh time or Scranton time? Hell, I think the entire Eastern Seaboard shares the time.

  • eagleyankfan

    I’m liking the play by Chung. There are plays in him we haven’t seen from that position in quite some time. Hoping his play continues as well…

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  • GEagle

    Chip Kelly is the Don!!!
    ..
    he will be the guest tonight, on FOX Sports 1 premier episode of Fox Football Daily at 6pm

  • NJSandman25

    KaeperNick Foles

  • eagleyankfan

    after 2 weeks of pre-season — my opinion has indeed changed. Actions speak louder than words and when I’m wrong, I’ll admit it. Someone has indeed proved me wrong. There is no way, I thought Sapp was THE WORST NFL analyst on TV. After two preseason games, Sapp proved me wrong. He is unwatchable AND unlistenable. Given the choice between the two of you, I’d take the seasick crocodile. Sapp is number 1 on my “I’ll never tune in” list…

    • GEagle

      I would watch an All Day Sapp speaking Marathon. heck I would watch an all day loop of him performing the vagina monologues…rather than watch 1 hour of McMoron