JAX 17, PHI 16 – 2nd Half Thread
Posted: August 24th, 2013 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 205 Comments »Weird night. Damaris Johnson fumbles. Then he has a long KOR and PR. The defense is awful and then they get sacks and a big INT. Then they give up a long run. The offense has struggled, but still has 16 points. This is just one of those roller coaster games.
Michael Vick has been very erratic. Some of this is due to pressure from the Jags. The Eagles OL has been sloppy at times. Vick is not handling the pressure well and is all over the place. Chip Kelly will talk to him at halftime. Kelly will talk to him after the game. Kelly will try to get this ironed out. It may not work, but Chip is a great coach. He needed to see Vick struggle before he could tackle those problems.
The 2nd half shouldn’t be boring, that’s for sure.
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My wife just changed the channel to Life of Pi. THIS WILL NOT STAND
Good movie though.
Just tell her the tiger and the boy both survive. The End.
damn you!
What do you mean? I just saved you good money for a not very good movie.
And they invent Frosted Flakes. It’s very touching.
lol!
I still want to see that at some point.
Lets hope the offense adjust and comes out with more Oregon style offense. The quick strikes should help the OL
who got the int?
Barwin made a very good play.
Thanks, I’m stuck trying to watch on this damn preseason whip around.
Can you watch online? I thought NFL.com was offering that. I could be wrong though.
You have to pay for it, but I think it was only like $15…
Is it too late to hire Gus?
HAH.
Tommy
Is it possible that Kelly decided to dial back is usual game book tonight in order to fool the Skins? The pass run ratio is 70-30 plus we haven’t seen those 4 WR double stag plays yet. The play calling feels like a trip back to AR’s inglorious last days in Philly!
Hadn’t thought of that at all, but it makes sense – especially because this game is more about getting the starters game-ready rather than trying to figure out who fits the system.
I really hope the regular season brings less of Vick running around in the backfield looking for someone to throw to, though; I can deal with him not sliding, but he needs to either pass/throw it away or run. Those times when he doesn’t do either are turnovers and sacks just waiting to happen.
I was thinking/hoping the same thing
I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but something smells off tonight.
The Eagles aren’t running a standard gameplan at all. Throwing lots of passes. You need to work on those vs live competition. Get timing down and things like that.
Makes sense because this gameplan seemed very anti Kelly.
I wouldn’t say that Vick’s erratic. Henne’s erratic.
The bigger problem is definitely the No 2 receiver, besides the usual interior linemen trouble. Someone with wheels gotta step up a bit in terms of smoothly getting open.
You seem to be taking “erratic” as synonymous with “bad”. It isn’t. An erratic QB is exactly what it sounds like – a guy who is inconsistent, unreliable, varies widely in his performance level from week to week, etc. That is pretty much exactly what Vick is and has been over the course of his career. Henne, on the other hand, is just not very good at all. Two different quarterbacks with two different problems.
Man, you have such a one track mind, you see everything along those lines you want to think and talk about, and talk, and talk, and talk, as if there’s someone you could convince.
Vick wasn’t really making bad reads. He wasn’t all over the place in accuracy, nor did he have hot and cold streaks. I think just about every bad play Vick had, he had help in being bad. So you couldn’t actually say that he was bad or erratic.
Vick made a few great plays, and a few absolutely terrible ones, sometimes looking like a franchise QB, sometimes looking like an untutored rookie. That is his M.O. It is also pretty much a textbook definition of “erratic”.
As for his decision making, it’s true that offensive line breakdowns, etc. contributed to him being under duress frequently, but the pair of horrendous decisions he made when he was under duress (the INT and the duck he threw up as he was being tackled) were 100% on him. Stop being a blind apologist and acknowledge the bad with the good.
2 mistakes do not a bad game make.
“Stop being a blind apologist and acknowledge the bad with the good.”
Shah8 didn’t make any excuses. You’re the negative one. 2 bad decsions (one of which didn’t’ matter ’cause it was at the end of the half) – and you’re on here talking about how he had a bad game. He didn’t. It was okay. Not great. Not bad. Just okay.
Henne is a backup. He’s not their starter.
I think this is classic preseason. Jags gameplanned (what the announcers said Gus told them), our O-line didn’t, and Kelly is trying to put a strictly pro no huddle offense on tape during the “dress rehearsal” to mess with the Skins.
You think the skins stopped watching when Foles came in the game?
Yup, Kelly will have magic touch that finally fixes Vick. Vick the 33 year old just needs to learn a few new things and he’ll put it all together.
Full second team D on
Matthews looks a lot more comfortable in a 3-4 than he ever did in the 4-3
What’s the saying about lipstick and a pig….
Lets get the Vick excuse bus gassed up and ready to go
Nobody has to make excuses for Eli or Tom, and there are other things to worry about.
Right because they have how many SB between them?
If we have more to worry about than Vick’s inability to play under pressure then I’d suggest we all get hum keter down for another loooong season.
So what? It’s just a veteran thing. Look around the league, how many starting QBs are putting up great numbers this week? Not many. Can you guess why? It’s practice, y’all!
Nobody needs the vinegar.
Difference being proven winners versus proven, well exactly what has Vick proven? Same ol’ guy, just a different day…
He’s proven that he’s the guy Chip wants as his starter to open the season. Can we just leave it at that for now?
Why do Vick apologists find it so difficult to acknowledge the potential validity of the theory that the reason the guy doesn’t play well consistently is that he just isn’t a very good quarterback? If he were coming off a Pro Bowl season and had a track record of consistently excellent play, this sort of thing could be written off more easily. But what we’ve seen tonight is very much of a piece with his play over the past few years. Some good plays and highlight reel athleticism, along with questionable decision making, carelessness with the ball, and a reckless style of play that puts his health in constant jeopardy. He is what he is – a middle of the pack quarterback with some eye-popping talents but also several major flaws. He ain’t Tom Brady or one of the Manning brothers and he doesn’t belong in the same sentence with any of them.
No man, I’m just seriously envisioning people like you trying to sour the mood after *every* single low moment. It’s just not cool.
I’m not trying to sour the mood. I’m pointing out reality as I see it – that the guy playing quarterback for this football team is not good enough to start for a contending team. I have been saying this about Vick all along and will continue to say it as long as he’s starting (and afterwards, because neither Foles nor Barkley is good enough either) because it will continue to be true. If you don’t like reality harshing your mellow, don’t choose to believe things that are so plainly contradicted by the evidence.
Uh huh…
Seriously…read what you’re saying. Besides, ain’t nobody thinking you harshing anyone’s buzz by promoting reality. You’ve just had your jimmies rustled and don’t think anyone should be happy when you’re not.
Are you happy though?
I’m not unhappy. It’s a preseason game. The *main* reason I’m not happy is that we have only one athletic WR doing good routes. Then OL, then secondary. Vick isn’t really playing poorly, so the constant whining about him being the starter is something I have a problem with. I just sorta see me watching the Eagles losing a game, and seeing constant comments about how Vick is horrible, no matter whether he was or not.
Don’t quit your day job to become a psychoanalyst, buddy.
I’m quite happy. I really don’t let something as ultimately trivial as football affect that. Why would I? I enjoy the sport for a lot of reasons, but I don’t go into each season expecting contention, because some teams don’t have the horses to contend, and this team is one of them in my view. As I’ve said before, I’ll consider it a good season if the team goes 7-9, plays better down the stretch than they do early on, and shows that its young talent is developing to the point that they could contend in 2014 or 2015. This is akin to Andy Reid’s first year for me. The main reason I can’t get excited about Vick is that in my view what you see is what you get when it comes to him and I don’t expect him to be around the next time this team actually contends. Watching his ups and downs during what is likely to be a losing season regardless of how well he plays therefore doesn’t interest me. The same goes for the other older, stopgap-type players on the roster (Sopoaga, Cary Williams, Celek, etc.). I’m bored and a bit annoyed that the team is not taking the future-oriented approach I think is wisest, not unhappy.
Chip Kelly is wiser than you.
We shall see. He certainly knows more about football than I do, but that doesn’t mean he’s necessarily going to make better decisions, given that factors such as pressure to win immediately or having his ego tied up in how well the Eagles do this year may affect his decision-making. Ruben Amaro Jr. knows more about baseball than I do, yet I was 100% correct in saying it was idiotic of him to give Ryan Howard a $125 million contract when he was two years away from free agency and entering his thirties.
Again, just…listen to yourself. You’re being a pompous blowhard impressed with his ability to point his finger at someone.
Hahaha. Pot, meet kettle.
If you can’t win an argument with someone who doesn’t agree with you, and makes a reasoned case why they don’t, you don’t help your case by disregarding the content of what they’re saying and resorting to name calling. If you want me to believe that Vick is a top-notch quarterback despite what I see as a wealth of evidence to the contrary, and that his clear defects as a player aren’t fatal flaws in a franchise quarterback, make that case. Don’t resort to schoolyard tactics.
I do not have to. You’re not actually presenting any sort of case of why you know more than intelligent professionals, and you sound more than a little silly while doing so.
I never claimed to know more than intelligent professionals. In fact, I stated the exact opposite. I said that said professionals sometimes make decisions that are not in the best long term interests of the team because those interests do not always align with those of the team, which I as a fan take issue with. I do not see how you can have a problem with that.
You are now just appealing to authority (“Chip Kelly says X, therefore X must be right”) in addition to slinging ad hominems. Neither is a convincing argument to me.
But this clearly isn’t a contending team. If Chip wants to install an offense that includes a quarterback running component then he may as well have Vick hold the fort until this becomes a contending team and/or he finds someone else.
That is an argument I find more persuasive, but Chip has said himself that he doesn’t *have* to have a running quarterback to succeed. To me, the value of knowing whether Foles can get any better than he is now or whether he’s hit his ceiling >>>>> the value of giving the other players on the offense a chance to practice with a mobile quarterback, but I can at least see the case you’re making.
FWIW, I’d rather see Foles out there too – just seems like you’re going a little OTT on the anti-Vick propaganda.
I’ve repeatedly called Vick middling, uninspiring, deeply flawed, not a Super Bowl-caliber quarterback, etc. That doesn’t seem over the top to me. Calling him terrible, a running back playing QB, completely incompetent, or some of the other things I’ve seen the more idiotic anti-Vick people say I agree is OTT, but that is not the opinion of him I hold and I’ve never said those things or endorsed them when others have said them. I’ve perhaps been a little insistent in expressing my opinion but I find it hard to think of that as propaganda when my main reaction to Vick is not “I hate this guy” but “bleh”.
I don’t mind Vick when the ball is out in under 3 seconds…when he has it for like 5 seconds, he looks silly lol
WTF was the ref talking about?
The price of tea in China.
Now I’m sure AR is calling this. Pointless challenge.
I might agree or disagree but I don’t even know what the ruling even is.
That was nuts.
I’m totally confused
I can only assume we’ve gone back in time to the replacement refs and horrible O-Line / play-calling from last season.
and now even our coach makes a bonehead decision throwing the red flag! Lol
Are they allowed to notice that they should never have thrown the yellow one when they review it? Because in that circumstance he might have a point. Was never a penalty.
Todays gameplan is definitely from the Andy Reid Playbook!!!
So other then Vinny Curry who is standing out on the 2nd team defense?
That’s the problem, they’re standing around and not doing anything
Spadaro . . . OMG!
What? What’d I miss?
I have yet to see a live look in of the eagles game on the nfl network. Replays yes. Live lookins no. I hope the nfl blackout issues don’t apply to preseason games.
OK. Either that was really smart or really dumb.
or just a waste of time
This.
defensive depth sucks
Dam a blantant pick by Robinson. I suppose only the Eagles will ever get called on that?
Kenny Philips would have made a pick 6!!!!
But is nowhere to be seen
That invisibility cloak is going to be a real difference maker this season.
I’d rather have a warp shield
The Polk show
Are you serious?
No, I’m XM
Doesn’t that technically make you Sirius then?
It used to be: “I’m serious!” “Well, I’m Roebuck, let’s start a store!”
That one might be just as bad.
Yeah, it was on the same level as when my school teachers would pass out “handouts” to the class and I would say, “We’re proud people. We don’t accept handouts.”
Nice, lol
oh no
AAAAAUUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Please call him Charlie, not Bryce, but Charlie Brown.
Unreal
Well, I was happy with the first 17 yards of that run…
Wow, Brown you are such a blue balling tease
lol, it is really 2012!!!
What’s the rule when a fumble goes out in the endzone? It’s not something stupid like a touchback, is it?
Touchback and Jags ball at the 20
Well that’s a bitch.
Guess the ball on the string isn’t the answer to fumbling
Eskin said someone injured their hand but I didn’t catch who it was. Did the tv broadcast say anything?
Hughes
Brown should have to play NT on the next series for that
Eagles finding even more innovative ways to lose this yyear
That’s two fumbles where nobody even got a helmet on the ball.
Umm…except someone did get a helmet on that ball?
Yeah, the announcers are playing up the fumble thing, but that really was a pretty good play by the tackler. Brown needs to hang on to it, but…
2012 baby!
On the plus side, losing to the Jags puts us in the Teddy Bridgewater sweepstakes!
I too thought Jags and Raiders were the worst two teams in the league until tonight…;)
I think the Eagles offense will be better than this. We have to much talent for us to be this bad
Bring on the Foles, Salas show. Has James Casey even played this preseason?
Oh, there’s Casey. 4th quarter
The jags announcer just said Boykin was inconsistent during camp… Lol
It doesn’t show up on the field though!
Inconsistent in the sense that sometimes he got the INT and sometimes he only got a PBU?
at least we can stash Whitley on IR now. Poyer just made the roster by default…
thinkin’ the same thing.
I know why the defense isn’t playing well tonight. They’re also wondering what in the hell is up with those Jacksonville helmets.
I am hoping that this uninspiring performance against one of the worst teams in the NFL will tamp down a bit of the unrealistic optimism that has been floating around these parts over the past few days.
This team is a work in progress. They have a new coaching staff putting in entirely new systems on both sides of the ball, and are deficient in talent in several key areas. The benchmark for a successful season should be whether the younger players on the roster make strides and whether the team’s performance level improves over the course of the year, not whether they contend for the playoffs or a Super Bowl. Because if you expect that, you are almost certain to be disappointed.
Well put. I moved them up from a 6-10 to a 7-9 team. I think even that may be optimistic. However, at the end of the season, I’ll be happy if I see progress and improvement. No fool’s gold, just better play.
Brandon, you’re a nice guy. Please don’t play outside though!
Brackett!
Foles time
Well, that first pass wasn’t exactly awe-inspiring
Not an INT . . . off his back foot . . . under pressure.
WB controversy!
Sanchez is hurt.
That doesn’t hurt the Jets.
Addition by subtraction.
Down goes Sanchez. Down goes Sanchez. Down goes Sanchez.
officially ending the worst QB competition ever
Bryce Brown . . . won’t see him no more.
Casey Matthews is making this team as one of the back up ILB.
He looked a little like Dan Henderson there. Freaky.
He looks more comfortable in this defense.
C’mon Shepherd, make daddy happy…
He shows really good yac skills and great blocking by Maehl and Ertz/Casey (couldnt see who) on his bubble screen
Well, that drive looked easy.
Totally different offense.
Looked better, liked it more
I’m sorry, but I just enjoy watching Foles play….lol I can’t help it
Well we know that Eagles backup offense > Jags backup D
Why wasnt we seen this offense with Vick?
Maybe because Vick wasn’t playing against the Jaguars’ second stringers? I’m not putting too much stock in anything Foles does at the end of this game.
It was more in type of play calling. Seemed with Vick that we had a lot more down field routes or Foles is just much better at the short game
Listening to the radio feed leaves me one play behind the comments here, but on that last drive they ran four plays before I caught up. Now that’s FAST!
I know he does not have the speed of Vick, but he sure looks like he runs the pace better than Vick.
Dixon getting swallowed up
The TV just listed Chaney as a guarentee to make the team…wth
No way, he is going to be cut after this game
Lindley sucks
that was Poyer
Have some damn respect for one of the daily news “sexy singles” lol…NO I’m not making this up
Scott looks better than I thought he would…wish the Eagles had dodged Barkley and picked Scott up late…D could have used the help.
Some of the UDFA QBs have looked better than some of the drafted
Like that Poyer and Shep are finally showing up
Everyone’s not showing the skins our offense theory is done now that we are showing it with Foles
I don’t think Chip’s winning this challenge
Bryce can be great
when he doesn’t suck
when he doesn’t suck, he’s really pretty good.
Bryce!
My neighbor’s cat is named Tucker
BRYYYYYYYCE!!!!
I’m curious if Vick had these same reads and just held the ball for the big play/slower developing routes. Obviously Foles pushes the tempo better (from the small sample we have seen), but I wonder what the tape will show regarding play calls.
POLK just pounded two Jags like a Boss!!! They just bounced off him…99yard drive!!! Love it!
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Defense better hold up
That player there tried to tackle Polk, got punished
while Polk laughed at him
Bullsht. It was more of a giggle.
Polk just waltzed in for the 2 pt conversion
Yay cheerleaders!
Must be a lot of Eagles fans at the game. Plenty of cheering when they scored. Either that or Jags fans are already giving up on the season and are rebelling
I take it back though, Vick was 89% in the first 2 games. So clearly the play calling was very different.
Curry continued his campaign of Terror
Gonna be an equal opportunity QB skeptic here… Foles is playing against the backups. That does make his job a lot easier.
Thanks for that, Mörton!
Who is Morton?
Actually . . . spelled M0rton with a zero, not an “o”
Okay.. still no idea who you’re referring to though. 🙂
A legend on this board.
I miss M0rton.
a very pessimistic person that hated every Eagles player except Dawkins
Ah okay… well, I don’t think of myself as THAT pessimistic.. or pessimistic at all, really. And there are quite a few players on this team I do like and want to keep around, even though I’m not too bullish on the team as a whole.
Nah, just kidding! You’re nothing like M0rton (correct, AC?) but the timing was just right.
You are nothing like him
The man, the legend, the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
He had short term memory loss and was the King of Hindsight. LOVED BG and BLASTED JPP before the draft. Hated the Eagles for taking BG and not JPP afterwards.
But he’s playing with backups as well.
EDIT: I don’t care who plays QB, just someone win me some damn games.
Right, that’s a fair point.. I’m just saying, a professional quality quarterback (which I think Foles is) should be able to move an offense against a defense of second and third stringers. He’s played really well but it’s a test it’s not surprising he passed.
But he also had pure backups in there except James Casey.
Is Kafka going to finish this game on a stretcher?
Looked that way for a minute.
I never have the TV sound on during the preseason, but in a screen graphic Baldinger announced that Chaney and Matthews have the team made and Brandon Graham is on the bubble. Forsooth.
Classic!
I thought Vick held the ball too long. I don’t know who’s fault it is but I thought the offense would be faster and quick hitting. It just look like last year with Reid calling the plays.
Did Nate Allen play tonight? Lol
Did Wolff play tonight? (sorry couldnt resist)
As was the case against the Panthers, we played a lot of cover 1 and 3 and we didnt get burned for any huge gain, so he have been a good job there.
You will NOTICE #28 in his 4th year…I promise you that lol
Why can’t we see more Foles? Sooo not fair
It sucked seeing the 2012 eagles offence and 2012 vick out on the field… Vick won the starting job and i understand why but i just feel a lot more comfortable when Foles is in the game
We may have officially won, but it feels like a loss. We lost the battle of the starters in the first half. And Jacksonville didn’t even have their starting QB playing.
It’s interesting how Chip Kelly is labeled as a Spread guy (which he is), while Big Red is labeled as a West Coast guy. Kelly’s frequent use of short routes resemble the true West Coast far more than Andy’s bastardized “bombs away” version of it.
Whaaa?
No, Chip Kelly’s offense is not like a WCO.
My bad. I can see why that looks like a dumb statement. I wasn’t specific enough. It’s only similar because it emphasizes short passing routes, rather than deep passes. Andy’s West Coast, meanwhile, is nothing like the Bill Walsh horizontal West Coast. Just a simple observation.
I just saw the stupidest play of the year. It’s preseason, but I think it matches the butt-fumble. Arizona player clearly gets a fumble from a run at the one yard line, that dude falls down, gets up, as *as he was tackled*, tries to lateral the ball to a defensive lineman. Of couse, that defensive lineman was not expecting an extra bit of ball and jogging, and the ball heads right back to the Chargers for the TD.
Postgame post is up.
http://igglesblitz.com/2013/08/phi-31-jax-24/