Roster Perspective

Posted: August 26th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 116 Comments »

We all agree that the Eagles have holes on the roster. You do need to understand that some of those holes will be there in January.

It would be great if Howie Roseman and Chip Kelly could magically drive down to the Player Store, wheel on over to the Safety aisle and shop away, but that doesn’t exist. They can only deal with available players. The guys who are available now or who will be available next weekend are on the street for a reason. Someone else rejected them.

Occasionally you can find a player who was cut and he’s the right fit for your team, but mostly you’re dealing with players whose flaws will limit them to being backups and role players. The Eagles have had scouts studying the other 31 teams. They focus on players who are 3rd year or younger. They also check out select veterans who might be cut and of interest.

I would prefer that Roseman and Kelly err on the side of youth. I don’t see the Eagles as a Super Bowl contender this year so let’s focus on finding young players that might be a solution in the future as much as now. They might not, but this is the year to take some chances. You want to build up some youth and see if players pan out.

I really like ILB right now. You have a vet in DeMeco Ryans. You then have young players in Mychal Kendricks, Casey Matthews, Emmanuel Acho and Jake Knott. I would be fine if the Eagles kept all 5. Not all will pan out, but that is a good group of players to have in a year like this. See who plays well on D. See which guys stand out on STs.

Let’s also be straight as we talk about DBs. The Eagles are okay with their starting CB trio of Cary Williams, Bradley Fletcher and Brandon Boykin. That group isn’t a long term solution, but the team thinks they can be good enough this year. Boykin is the one player who they do see as a long term fit. If Fletcher stays healthy and plays well, maybe him too. He’s got to prove himself.

The Eagles need depth at CB. There are going to be some players cut that will be of interest. Seattle is deep at CB. They have some bigger guys that could be of interest. Davis and Kelly seem to like bigger DBs. The Seahawks are trying to trade some of their DBs so they will hold onto them as long as possible.

Safety is the one position where if the right veteran got cut, you might sign him to compete for a starting job. I’m not done reviewing the JAX tape yet so I don’t know how Nate Allen did. It looked like he played okay, but it sure would be nice to have someone you really were comfortable with playing beside Patrick Chung. I will be okay if the Eagles go with Nate as the starter. If playing in the new system brings out the best in him, you’ve got you’re own reclamation project. If the guy has a bad year, you know for sure you’re done with him. Safety then becomes a priority target next offseason. This is the year to find out who can play and who can’t.

Earl Wolff will get his chance to play if he keeps working hard and doing the little things right. It would be great to see him start at some point to get a feel for whether he could be a starter in the future or if he looks more like a role player.

The next 7 to 10 days will feature a lot of moves. Some will be head-scratchers. There will be new Eagles that most people haven’t heard of. I love this time of the year.

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Jimmy Bama seems to think Vinny Curry is a good player and decided to offer some visual evidence.

My only concern is what the coaches think. Curry was the #3 LDE. Why is he still there? Are the coaches telling him to shoot gaps and get into the backfield or are they mad at him for doing that? It is possible the coaches are more curious about Geathers and Square and that’s why they’re playing those guys ahead of Curry, but that’s not likely.

Curry should be a key role player this year because of his ability to be disruptive. I just hope he’s not ignoring the instructions of the coaches. Some players do that and rely on their instincts. That gets them in trouble and costs them playing time. We’ll find out what the coaches think of Curry in the season opener when we see exactly how they use him.


116 Comments on “Roster Perspective”

  1. 1 Lawgimp said at 12:40 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    The old adage is deal from a position of strength to fortify your weaknesses.. Instead of praying a safety gets cut that can start for us, the birds should look to move Bryce Brown and/or Jason Avant for safety help. Looks like Bryce may be a sell high guy, with the fumbleitis which is gonna drive CK bonkers.. While Polk isn’t as talented as Brown, I think he could get it done enough to be a solid #2 RB.. As for Avant, another training camp/preseason where he catches everything, other teams see that and might think his hands and leadership could help their team.. He could help get us a safety perhaps. Lets face it, none of us think he’s a great fit in CKs offense, and he’s getting up there in age. He probably isn’t enough on his own to get you a top 3 young safety, but add a pick and it might work. I would be fine with Salas and Damaris Johnson manning the slot.

    I’m sure Howie and CK are trying to find us some help, I just hope it isn’t some turd that another team flushed (though that may even be an upgrade!).. Make a strong move to get someone decent, even if it means the end of a talented and/or popular guy off of the birds current roster.

  2. 2 Phils Goodman said at 1:06 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Bryce Brown is PERFECT for this zone rushing attack and his fumbling is correctable. I’m starting a petition to veto your trade proposal and handcuffing myself to Howie Roseman’s desk if I have to.

  3. 3 westy36 said at 1:14 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Trading Avant would be alright with me but I don’t think we should trade Brown unless we’re getting a good haul for him. He’s the one running back we have who can run away from defenders and would serve us well in a RB rotation. The coaches just have to ride him hard about covering the ball and I’m sure they’ll focus on it now that he’s done it under their tenure. One reason why I think he still holds the ball like that is because of how Shady runs. He doesn’t bring it in as well as Shady does when in traffic but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s thinking, “If Shady can do it then why can’t I?”

  4. 4 Lawgimp said at 1:19 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I understand that you guys don’t wanna trade BB.. I don’t either, I’m just trying to think of ways to get a legit safety back there.. Not sure what we have of value to other teams, if anything. I guess picks, but what pick are you comfortable in moving for a Jairus Byrd? A 2nd?

  5. 5 GermanEagle said at 2:43 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Yes. It has to be a conditional pick for Byrd though due to the long-term contract complications.

  6. 6 Maggie said at 8:57 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Perhaps you should read some other articles about quality safeties. There are not enough to go around! And stop fixating on Byrd. He is not going anywhere.

  7. 7 barneygoogle said at 9:09 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Brown does some things even McCoy can’t do. This player is what you build with.

  8. 8 miked718 said at 5:18 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    When I picked up Bryce Brown in my fantasy draft, it said SNICKERS and you think alike, you picked up a SNICKERS Sleeper. If a candy bars scouting dept likes you is that good or bad?

  9. 9 westy36 said at 12:54 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I haven’t watched Seattle this preseason but based on the article you linked to earlier today, it seems like they have some guys they like at corner who won’t make the team. Hopefully they don’t get any offers and we can get ourselves a pretty good 4th corner. Otherwise I don’t want us making trades for any players unless it’s gonna be a fringe for fringe trade where they each suit the other team better.

  10. 10 GermanEagle said at 2:41 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    …or unless the trade involves Jairus Byrd../

  11. 11 westy36 said at 3:25 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Yeah, totally forgot about Byrd but I don’t see us being the highest bidder for his services. Somebody’s going to give up more because they think he’ll help them win it all immediately.

  12. 12 GermanEagle said at 3:30 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Giants, any one!?

  13. 13 Anders said at 9:19 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I dont think he gets traded.

  14. 14 GermanEagle said at 10:36 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Me neither. But hope dies last. 😉

  15. 15 GEagle said at 12:53 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    They just lost Stephan Gilmore for like 8 weeks…huge blow to that team

  16. 16 deg0ey said at 7:06 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’d be tempted to trade Harbor to Seattle for one of their surplus CBs and bring Carrier back in as the #4 TE

  17. 17 RIP illa said at 8:13 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Never thought of that. I like Harbor on the team but I think I’d be accepting of that deal. Probably would still have to give up a low round pick. But nice scenario.

  18. 18 deg0ey said at 8:42 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’m not so sure we’d have to give up picks at all – he’d instantly be their second best TE after Zach Miller and gives them a more versatile receiving option. If we’re offering him for a CB that’s barely clinging onto the roster as it is, I think they’d take it straight up.

    I like Harbor, but if he’d been cut instead of Carrier I’m not sure we’d have noticed much of a difference.

  19. 19 Maggie said at 8:58 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    They are not talking about corners. they are talking about safeties!

  20. 20 Phils Goodman said at 1:02 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Based on what I know/see about Vinny Curry, he doesn’t deserve just to be a prominent role-player, he deserves to be one of the featured players on this defense. We’re not talking about some obscure long-shot who should be happy to be a “contributor.” Curry was a projected top-50 talent in a strong draft who is entering what would otherwise be anticipated as his “leap year” if his rookie season hadn’t been undermined. He was drafted to be a building block alongside Fletcher Cox as a complimentary lineman. If Billy Davis is really building his scheme around his players, Cox, Curry and Graham need to be featured in roles where they can make disruptive plays upfield.

  21. 21 Maggie said at 8:59 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    And who says they won’t be, WHEN THE GAMES COUNT?

  22. 22 TommyLawlor said at 2:14 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’m happy to report that upon re-watching the game, Vinny Curry did play in the early 2nd Qtr as part of the Nickel D.

  23. 23 HipDaDip said at 10:27 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Has the coaching staff spoken about the placement of Curry on the roster, or is it purely speculation about him “freelancing” too much? Has anyone in the media directly praised Curry to the coaches and questioned their decisions regarding him thus far? I guess this is all irrelevant if he is working his way up…

  24. 24 GermanEagle said at 2:37 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    GE’s final roster prediction after pre-season game 3:
    Offense (25):
    QB (3): Vick, Foles, Barkley
    RB (3): McCoy, Brown, Polk
    TE (4): Celek, Casey, Ertz, Harbor
    WR (6): Jackson, Cooper, Avant, Johnson, Salas, Sheppard
    OL (9): Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Johnson, Watkins, Barbre, Kelly, Vandervelde
    Defense (25):
    DT/DE (7): Spogoa, Thornton, Cox, Logan, Curry, Geathers, Square
    ILB (4): Ryans, Kendricks, Acho, Knott
    OLB (5): Barwin, Cole, Graham, McCoy, not on team yet
    CB (5): Williams, Fletcher, Boykin, Poyer, not on team yet
    S (4): Chung, Allen, Wolff, Anderson
    Special Teams (3):
    LS: Dorenbos
    K: Henery
    P: Jones

  25. 25 ICDogg said at 3:25 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    It will probably be something not far from that. I’m still thinking Casey Matthews has a shot to make the roster.

  26. 26 GermanEagle said at 3:30 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I was undecided between a 5th OLB or a 5th ILB. However the lack of experience at outside pass-rushers, who are also able to drop back into coverage, was the deciding factor to go heavier at OLB in the end.

  27. 27 Lewwyn said at 4:15 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I agree with your projection almost 100%. I do think that Matthews makes it, however, and I think that Poyer gets cut too. I think they’ll go with 1 CB and 1 Safety that aren’t on the team yet. That means 5ILB and 4OLB, 4CB and 5S.

  28. 28 GermanEagle said at 4:41 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    A 5th Safety is very possible, yes. However carrying only 4 CBs on the roster? That’s very risky, unless you get a CB/S tweener from another team. At the moment nobody of the projected safeties on our team can play CB…

  29. 29 mheil said at 6:48 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    On O, add Bamiro, cut Salas; On D, add Matthews, don’t add another OLB; I believe they would like to claim a S and/or CB if they see anyone they like.

  30. 30 GermanEagle said at 7:02 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Don’t think they will carry 10 Oliner…

  31. 31 MAR62 said at 4:41 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    OK then cut Watkins. Bamiro has a bit of upside.

  32. 32 RIP illa said at 8:23 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Good projection. However I’m not down w/ keeping Poyer, just because we are hurting at the position. Kid has shown very little and most what he’s shown hasn’t been good.
    Really would love to upgrade over Anderson.
    And all though I’ve grown to like Shepard and Knott I think that it would be better for them and the team if they spent a year on the PS and worked on their game.
    Love that you’re projecting us adding another OLB.
    It’ll most likely be improbable for us to find six players from other teams to come in here and help us out.
    Good job.

  33. 33 GermanEagle said at 8:35 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Thanks, mate. I am pretty positive that the Eagles will add a pass-rushing OLB with the cover skills in a 3-4. And come final cut day there should be plenty to chose from.
    If Marsh, Hughes or Whitley all haven’t got hurt, Poyer would have not made it to the final 53. But those three injuries to an already thin position may be enough for him to squeeze onto the roster. However the Eagles definitely need another CB!

  34. 34 GEagle said at 11:18 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Other then a penalty early, Poyer played ok Saturday….as gunners him and Wolff had a lot to do with Damaris great punt returns…I’m not so sure we are done with Poyer just yet

  35. 35 GermanEagle said at 11:51 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I strongly think that the last pre-season game will be “make or break” for Poyer.

  36. 36 GEagle said at 11:56 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Absolutely…the jags game was important for him, and I think he answered the bell adequately

  37. 37 RIP illa said at 1:18 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Yeah as was stated and as you know he’s gotta show a lot more in games at DB. Yes he did/does well as a gunner but that’s just not enough for me. Maybe it is for the coaches. We’ll see.

  38. 38 GEagle said at 1:28 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    He almost had 3 interceptions on Saturday, but had a bad holding penAlty as well..
    if he doesn’t play well on Thursday, then he probably won’t make the team, but because of the injuries there is hope for him

  39. 39 Corry said at 6:58 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Forget the sunglasses and lasik, Tommy. Start a player store! Think of the profits!

  40. 40 eagleyankfan said at 7:48 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    This is where I think signals are being crossed. Vick, as Chip said by his pointing him starter, gives the team the best chance to win. Yet, as your article is saying – this is a transition year – no expectations(and I agree with that). Its no secret that this is a transition year. I’m OK that it’s a transition year. I can’t wait to see Chips final product. Since that is the case — why is Vick starting? Just so Chip can see for his own eyes? That seems silly. Is it possible that Chip doesn’t like Foles at all? All signs point to seeing what Foles is capable of doing. If Williams and Fletcher aren’t long term – how can Vick be considered long term? If you prefer Chip to err on the younger players – again – why is Vick starting? Is it because of the contract they gave him?
    IMHO – Vick is starting for a reason we don’t know. This sounds like Vick bashing but it isn’t, I’m just looking for a valid reason to start Vick. Because Vick may be slightly better in the offense is not a valid reason. Vick throwing a “pretty” deep pass isn’t a valid reason either. If Chip came out said “well, I’m not sure Foles is the long term guy” (I know he can’t) — well, that would make sense.
    IF there’s any hint that Foles IS the guy of the future, shouldn’t he be getting his feet wet this year? Maybe Foles’ foot work isn’t right? Maybe Chip doesn’t like this arm strength? When the whistle blows vs. Wash, I’ll be tuned in and cheering for Vick to do well. I’m just looking for a valid – reasonable – explanation…..

  41. 41 kevinlied said at 7:59 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Just because it’s a transitional year doesn’t mean you don’t start your best players. First off, you have no idea what’s going to happen. The NFC East is as weak as it has been in thirty years. If the Eagles win the division, they make the playoffs and, by definition, have a shot. Second, even if Chip believes the ceiling for this team is 7-9, you don’t announce that to the 53 players and coaching staff by saying, hey guys, we’re playing for next year … when a lot of you will be playing elsewhere. If the eagles start 2-6, you pivot to the future.

  42. 42 GEagle said at 11:32 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    That’s why you don’t bring certain guys back and allow them to potentially be the best players on your team….i tried to be politically correct about it, but This is A’Murika and I have the right to not like this crap! What a damper on what should have been a glorious time..

    FYI: Vick is NOT our best guy…he could be but we really have no clue. The issue with Vick would be how he would look when he isn’t sitting in a clean pocket all day without a care in the world…Chip has only gotten to see what would happen, 1 time since he has been here….it’s a HUGE mistake to judge Vick on how good he looks when things are going great, and it’s disappointing that Chip is going to have to learn this lesson for himself…What’s going to happen when the regular season starts?mIt is Damn Hard to win games in this league…if we are judging Vick by how he looks when it’s smooth sailing, then we are in trouble

  43. 43 Joe Jones said at 11:56 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    “It’s amazing how Vick just plays and fools everyone. Never seen anything like this…..” Wow….

    I started to type a long response but then I thought, if you really believe what you just typed….then there really isnt much point in discussion.

    I guess we should wait for the games to start, I’m sure Vick will make mistakes that will give you an opportunity to say, “see, told you so.” It took a half of football for it start already. The guy threw an idiotic interception….If you watch other games, other teams….you will see plenty of that….but I know, we’re talking about Mike Vick, 23 interceptions in his last 24 games blah blah blah…….never mind that 3 yrs ago, Eli Manning threw 25 interceptions in 16 games(not comparing Vick to the great Eli, in order to evaluate properly, you must consider absolute and relative).

    But I digress, not a Vick defense argument…..Chip Kelly is not a fool, nor is he “fooled” by anyone, especially Mike Vick. Its actually a lot simpler, Vick outplayed Foles in Kelly’s mind….as distasteful as some find that…..accept it. You’ll get plenty of opportunities to remind the world that “Vick sucks, why waste time with him….blah blah blah.” Cant say I’m looking forward to it…..I’d rather see the team be successful and win games.

  44. 44 GEagle said at 12:10 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    When hasn’t Vick looked good in a crystal clear pocket when he didn’t have a care in the world? That’s never been the damn issue with him EVER!!!! Its about how friggin Joe WEBBish rookie year in the playoffs he can look when things go bad…

    so please explain to me when in this entire “competition” Vick has proved that he won’t unravel and shoot us in the foot when things get tough? Before Jags game, Vick absolutely looked better, the problem is he hasn’t been judged on the right parameters, so what good is the damn competition to begin with? Lol…It’s not Chips fault. he can’t allow our defenders to hit Vick in practice, it’s not the Olines fault that they kept him so clean against the Pats…Are you drinking the Kool aid that we will be the second coming of the greatest show on ghetto turf(had to take a shot out our field lol)? Do you think it’s just going to be smooth sailing on offense from Sptember to Febuary?

    I already knew Vick could sit in clean pocket and hit WR all day long. I already knew that, it was never in question….but the things I needed to see him do differently, He hasn’t proved a DAMN thing! Actually he is 0-1 in situations where I needed to see him get it together….but even that isn’t fair, because it was only a half of football, Who am I to say that he wouldn’t have been able to bounce back in the 2nd half and hang 30 2nd half points on the Jags?

    I guess my real BEEF is that the offseason, and first two preseason games provided worthless parameters to find out if we can go with Vick or not…so basically, Kelly is now auditioning Vick during the regar season…and I hate it!!!…..Saturday was the first chance for Vick to prove he has corrected some issues, and I don’t care how you slice it, HE FAILED!!!!

  45. 45 Joe Jones said at 12:27 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    GEagle, you’re a passionate fan…….You made your point. Chip failed in his evaluation. You’ve seen this movie before….gotcha.

    I told you, I’m not part of the Vick legal defense team. I just don’t understand how fans look at the outcome and decide that the process must have been flawed and faulty because it failed to produce the outcome you desire.

    Maybe Mike Vick is all of the things you say he and is and Chip knows it……and still favors him over Nick Foles? Just sayin…….Possible, right?

    Maybe just maybe, you both see the same things in Vick but different things in Foles?

  46. 46 GEagle said at 12:54 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Chip didn’t fail at anything. I kinda feel bad for chip because he wasn’t able to truly evaluate Vick because of the dynamics of the offseason and the preseason…I think Vicks evaluation will be the first 4 games

  47. 47 Joe Jones said at 1:33 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Forget it, should have known better….”Chip cant truly evaluate Vick”…..”I actually have no idea who Foles is”. Not to be disrespectful, but Chip has a better idea of who Foles is. Is that fair?

    I dont understand when fans say, “lets spend a yr finding out what we have in Nick Foles”…….a whole yr? I dont believe in wasted seasons, apparently neither do Lurie, Roseman or Kelly….. I trust the coach to make decisions on who has the potential/promise to invest time in….he has access to alot more information than we do….

    As evidenced by his decision, Chip is not interested in spending a year finding out what Nick can do. Chip opened the position up for competition and decided Vick won……he gave Nick an opportunity…which I think Nick earned with his play last yr…..but because your guy lost, the evaluation process was flawed……ok

  48. 48 GEagle said at 1:39 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    My guy? You think I wasn’t rooting my ass off for Vick on Saturday? Wouldn’t I have to know who Foles is first for him to be my Guy?..

    The Offense was good enough around the QB, where we could have given him a real chance to see what he can do in year two…and if Foles wasn’t showing progression and improvement then we would have been in the perfect position to use the last six games taking a look at Barkley..
    We are a maniac WIN NOW fanbase, but because of how we have been beaten down with keeping Andy he all these years…coming off a 12 loss season, Chip would have gotten leeway from us this year, and that’s very rare for a coach to get from a crazy fanbase…I would have lived with 6 wins this year, but come next year….I expect some Damn results!! in Chips second season, I am not trying to hear that we will now take a look at Foles and Barkley….This was the year that Chip had to play with, and he wasted it……If he choses next year to play Foles, then I expect him to know what he is doing and get some results with Foles!!!

  49. 49 Joe Jones said at 1:49 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    fair enough….thanks for the convo…we can disagree on how to get there, but I know we agree on what the goal is…..Go Birds……not trying to get into an internet pissing match….I’m not into the internet tough guy stuff…..all good. Later bro

  50. 50 GEagle said at 2:00 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    It’s all love. healthy debates should be the reason we are all here.

    I have oppinions like everyone else, but during game time, I don’t have any preferences. Whoever is in the game is who I root for for those 3 hours…but then I go back to bitching til the next game lol….cheers.
    Some people want Vick to Fail, that’s not me at all. If he is in the game, him succeeding is in my best interest, and to tell you the truth, as a Man, there our few Eagles in the history of my fandom that I resect more than Vick…When he talks, I almost hate that I have no faith in his game because I respect him so much and that’s the type of guy that I really would love to see succeed…but you can’t help how you feel, and I just can’t help not being scared to death at another season with him under center. I would prefer to be made to look like a fool and be completely wrong about Vick, then for me to just buy the Kool aid, and be burned by the same exact mistakes for a 3rd year in a row. I can not afford to let that dude break my heart again….when you tell me that Vick is our starter, I now expect playoffs, when I would have been fine with a 6 win season if it we spent grooming our future…Now with Vick, I expect us to win the division, and I just can’t seem to find the confidence in me to believe in his QB ability…believe me, I wish I could, and I would give anything to be wrong…GO BIRDS!!!

  51. 51 TommyLawlor said at 9:14 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Chip wants to win. He’s not selling out to win by loading up on vets, but he wants the Eagles to be a good team this year. If there is a spot where a veteran player can help, Chip is open to playing him.

    Chip had an open competition and the veteran QB won. That’s why he’s playing. Chip brought Vick back because he didn’t see many good options at QB and wanted to give Vick a chance here to show what he could do in the new system.

    The QB competition worked. Vick is a better player than he was 5 months ago. So is Foles.

  52. 52 Jerry Goldstein said at 11:06 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Except for Saturday against the Jags where he regressed and looked exactly the same as he always has.

  53. 53 eagleyankfan said at 11:09 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’ll ask this question. What if Chip didn’t name his starter last week and waited until after the 3rd pre-season? Who would be named the starter for week 1?

  54. 54 Andy124 said at 11:19 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Well then the game would have gone completely differently and we have no idea what new data we’d have to work with so we can’t possibly make an educated guess.

  55. 55 eagleyankfan said at 11:29 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    If no starter was picked yet, I’d imagine they would have split reps in the first half or after 1.5 quarters. I think the results would have been the same(Vick named starter). I think Foles would have struggled more vs. 1st team D. That’s kind of my point — Foles showed enough where he’s NOT a non-factor. He is a factor. Vick did play well(except vs. Jax) .. I don’t see how either was 100% evaluated. And maybe that’s Chips plan. Give Vick a few weeks(maybe months) as the starting QB and evaluate. Than give Foles a chance? Just a guess, but at least that attaches more logic to the decision. Saying Vick CLEARLY won is like flipping a coin 7 times and 4 comes up tails and saying “tails clearly wins that battle”.

  56. 56 Andy124 said at 11:36 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Well, I say Vick CLEARLY won because given the data provided, he CLEARLY played better. Not that the margin of difference was a mile wide, just that one guy didn’t make any mistakes and the other did. It was CLEAR as to who was better through their first 15 passes. SSS to be sure.

  57. 57 GEagle said at 11:20 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Ooooh that’s a damn good question

  58. 58 eagleyankfan said at 11:07 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Thanks for replying. Vick did win. I’m not concerned with that. I do think it helped both QB’s. With the decision, Chip is saying Vick has a better chance to win MORE games? How many more? Say Foles can go 8-8(or 7-9) — Chip is saying Vick can go 10-6? Are we saying Vick is at a minimum – 2 wins better than Foles? As stated, this isn’t a SB team yet. Shouldn’t those 2 or 3 wins be weighed against a years worth of evaluation of Foles? That’s my concern. The goal is a franchise QB. We know that Vick is not a franchise QB at this point of his career. We’ll still know that at the end of this year. What we won’t know is if Foles a franchise QB. Say Vick goes 9-6 or 8-8. We bring back Foles and Vick to “compete” again? Or would 9-6 answer that question? Or, I guess the question is — how many wins would Vick have to get to so we can say Vick is NO QUESTION the QB for 2014? OR — you saying we don’t care about 2014, just win as many games as possible now and worry about that later? Another words, Chip is planning for the future(yet)?

  59. 59 Andy124 said at 11:25 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    They day they decided to bring back Vick and have him compete for the quarterback spot is the day they decided they weren’t using 2013 to evaluate Foles. We don’t have to agree with the decision. There are plenty of problems associated with it that we all have brought up.

    There are also reasons to do it the way they did that have been gone over ad nausium.

    At this point, it is what it is and all we can really do is wait and watch and see how the decisions pan out. Granted, it’d be a lot more fun if we were watching for the resulsts of the decision we wanted.

  60. 60 eagleyankfan said at 11:31 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I agree. I wonder what I’d be saying if Foles was the starter and had the game Vick had vs. the Jags and Vick did well in the 4th. It’s fun to talk about. I like reading the replies and seeing different views.

  61. 61 GEagle said at 11:47 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I wouldn’t be saying anything…I expect a non experienced second year player to make mistakes, especially early…but if he is legit, I would expect him to struggle the first half of the season, and then prove he is the real deal in the second half of the season…I think it’s foolish to be judging QBs off of a Quaerter here, 2 series there of preseason football….Until you really put Foles in a healthy situation, play him in the regular season and let him go through the ups and downs of an NFL season, and learn how to win NFL games….we know nothing about him, thus we can’t even trade him..

    a Super Bowl starved franchise better Know what they are trading away especially when we are talking about a young QB…offseason is nice, but we really dont know anything until Chip decides to play him during the fall

  62. 62 Joe Jones said at 12:00 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Why do you think Chip Kelly needs a whole yr to “evaluate Foles?” Fans say this all the time, but I seriously doubt Chip Kelly needs a whole yr to form an opinion of Nick Foles.

    Chip is very familiar with Nick. In addition, Chip had the luxury of seeing Nick play in 7 games last yr. Of course, the conditions were less than ideal, given the state of the O-line, but Chip has been doing this long enough to know what his QB of the present and future looks like. If he saw that in Nick Foles, you’re right…they probably wouldnt have resigned Mike Vick.

  63. 63 GEagle said at 1:03 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Cause Chip told me so himself….”young QBs are like teabags, you never really know what you have til you put them in hot water”….Last year, Foles was placed in ACID!! I’m trying to see what happens when he gets put in Hot water….I’m going by what Chip said, and the tons of historic precedent that says a QB takes huge leaps in his second season

  64. 64 GEagle said at 1:31 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    I can argue that if Chip Didn’t already sees that in Nick, then he would have accepted valuable draft picks as compensation from KC or TB for Foles….Did you see what KC gave up for Alex Smith? My gut says Andy would have paid a similar fee for Foles

  65. 65 GEagle said at 11:29 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Seems to me like we are trying to double dip, and I’m not sure I like it….either build for the future, or win now….

    Personally I think it’s ridiculous to keep Foles on the bench…lthis offense was good enough to where it could have won some games with either guy, and wtf does it say about Foles that so soon he has been pushing a former 1st round pick and seasoned Vet…I know all the reasons why we are keeping Foles on the bench, but I don’t like any of them..l.seeing Foles play well in the preseason tells us Nothing…playthe damn kid for a year so we an really find out what we have and what we need.
    It’s very disappointing for me….It’s not even about Vick for me, if you got a guy who is 10years younger, and is able to hang with a veteran without having any real experience and you are coming off a 4 win season, you play the kid and find out what you had…I have no interest in seeing what Foles can do in week 10 after injuries start to pile up..I wanted to see him in the best possible position to succeed, so that we could really get an idea of what we have….If fOles isn’t starting in Washington, then I don’t want to see him at all in 2013… don’t find out shit about an inexperienced guy buy,throwing him into the fie in week 10….you find out if he is a capable backup….well I’m trying to find out if he is a starter, which means Daily 1st team reps, offense being tailored around him, continuity allowing him to learn and play through mistakes….yet another year of watching this team handcuff by some severly misplaced locker room hero worship

  66. 66 Andy124 said at 11:40 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Strong post. I especially like your first sentence. Thing
    is, I don’t think many NFL coachesgm’s agree with us.

    Theory: You pretty much have to be ultra competitive to
    succeed in this business. That very ultra-competitiveness is (generally)
    mutually exclusive with ‘build for the future’.

  67. 67 GEagle said at 11:52 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’m not exactly suggesting throwing Geno smith behind center lol….I really do believe that we can score points with Foles just like we can with Vick, and because I think Foles can put up points managing this offense, it’s starting to drive me crazy….if we had the Jets offense, I would rather Foles sit the bench for 3 or 4 years and learn….We have ingredients in place around Foles, so we are botching a good opportunity to not find out about the kid, and for who? For what? Mike Vick?….Since Saturday, I have felt like its a bad ground hogs day and it’s pissing me off…

    Just like we should have used this opportunity as a real clean slate. ate Coles dead Money, since we can afford it, and find out about Brandon Graham

  68. 68 OregonDucker said at 12:19 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Eagleyankfan – OK, I will try to give you “valid – reasonable- explanation” for the Vick selection relative to youth/potential represented by Foles.

    Chip is new to the NFL. He has offensive scheme ideas that need to be tested. He has a QB, Vick, that not only won the QB competition but who can best test Chip’s ideas. You will see these tests in the Skin’s game, some things will FAIL but others will INSPIRE. That is when we can revisit the Vick/Foles argument again. But make no mistake, what you will see in the Skin’s game is going to be in another alternate reality/dimension (think THE TWILIGHT ZONE) – it will be friggin’ unbelievable. SMH, LOL, I can’t wait to read the comments after this game!!!

  69. 69 GEagle said at 12:21 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    chip hasn’t gotten a chance to meet the Bad Vick yet..

    God I hope I’m wrong

  70. 70 austinfan said at 8:00 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    What is the man love for Matthews? Every time I watch him I see a mediocre athlete who’s consistently one step late to the play. And there is no upside there. Not that Knott is a great alternative, but Acho is clearly better.

    They’re gonna have to find room for Sheppard and Bamiro, both showed too much to risk trying to sneak them on the PS. On the other hand, guys like Maehl, Tobin, Kruger, King, Long, should make it easily. I can see them looking outside the organization for some young DBs to put on the PS, with the hope they’ll develop enough to promote later in the season.

  71. 71 GermanEagle said at 8:31 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I don’t get the love for Matthews either.

  72. 72 eagleyankfan said at 11:33 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’m with you guys on this one. Everyone needs ditch diggers I guess…

  73. 73 GEagle said at 12:14 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Im confused…where the hell have you guys ever saw Mathew Love? Lol I have yet to meet a Philadelphian who has been happy with him…lol Wait are we talking about Clay? Or the Ugly Duckling?

  74. 74 Anders said at 9:09 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    For me Matthews have looked decent (remember clean slate). He has looked like a backup, but somebody I would trust for a single game if one of the three in front of him (Acho, Ryans and Kendricks). He is also a good special teamer and I would say is the 4th best ILB on the roster right now.

  75. 75 GEagle said at 1:05 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    You think Ancho is ahead of him? I have no idea, not trying to sound condescending, I’m just asking..
    I like what I have seen from Ancho, and I would take credit from anyone who deserves it, Casey played well saturday

  76. 76 barneygoogle said at 9:08 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Well, this post brings up the whole debate again of why choose Vick over Foles?
    If we go 8-8 with a pretty good year by Vick, what do we have?
    Next August we still won’t know if Foles can be our starting qb, and we have a 34 year old Vick to build around, and who will be clamoring for a long-term contract.
    To me it only makes sense to start Vick if we are a playoff capable team–or if Foles is clearly not what Kelly wants in a qb, and Vick is a one year rental up to the draft.

  77. 77 Anders said at 9:10 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I dont buy this argument. We pretty much know what we got in Foles. A very very good young QB that was slightly worse than Vick.

  78. 78 TommyLawlor said at 9:16 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    See my answer above.

    You don’t go by default and choose young players across the board. If there is a talented veteran out there that can help, mix them in. Vick was given a chance to compete for the QB job and he won.

    Kelly believes in competition.

  79. 79 Andy124 said at 9:35 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    There’s no way to question Chip’s decision after declaring the competition. The winner was clear. You just can’t declare a competition then start the guy that finished in 2nd.

    If we want to make a case for ABV (anybody but Vick) you pretty much have to focus on the decision to bring Vick back in the first place.

  80. 80 GEagle said at 12:16 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Unfortunately the parameters of the “competition” don’t provide Vick a chance to prove that he has fixed crucial problems, especially when Oline keepin him so clean against The Pats…so basically Vick will be auditioning the first 4 games of the season

  81. 81 fran35 said at 1:06 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    What is your opinion on the future of Foles as an Eagle? Its obvious he has the chops to be a starter somewhere. Do you Kelly feels Foles has a future as a starter here?

  82. 82 TheRogerPodacter said at 9:21 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    It would be great if Howie Roseman and Chip Kelly could magically drive down to the Player Store, wheel on over to the Safety aisle and shop away, but that doesn’t exist

    i can’t help but think of this clip from its always sunny in philadelphia.

  83. 83 TommyLawlor said at 9:28 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Charlie is pretty much my hero.

  84. 84 Mike Flick said at 9:38 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    On an unrelated note:
    I went to the Saints-Texans game yesterday. The Saints had a horrible defense last year and picked up Rob Ryan to be the d-coord. So it is a little similar to our situation. They were a 4-3, now have a 3-4 guy running the show.

    They started the game as 4-3 and it looked like they used the ‘under’ technique, where they had 4 guys with their hand on the ground but shifted a bit. Then later in the game they worked in straight 3-4 looks. It seemed like every time they switched to a 3-4 it had disastrous results.

    It did make me feel better about our transition, because I see what it is like for a transition to not work properly. There were guys running wide open, and the passing lanes for the crossing routes were there all day.

    I noticed there were several plays where the secondary was scrambling with confusion right before the snap. Come to think of it I have not seen that with our defense this year. Last season it sure seemed like there was too many missed assignments. Watching a defense sometimes it is easy to not notice what is not there.

    I guess I have really only watched Eagles football since last season ended. So it was good for me to see where other teams are at a bit. Another thing that both teams did which I haven’t seen in a while. Before the snap, they all got together and talked about the play in a group. I think it is called a huddle. What a waste of time.

  85. 85 The Linc – Eagles cut the roster down to 76 | Sports Feedr said at 9:44 AM on August 26th, 2013:

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  86. 86 GermanEagle said at 10:05 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    The guy who could provide help for our defensive backfield in case he gets cut is Seahawks S/CB DeShawn Shead. He’s big (6’2) and physical (220 lbs) who could either play corner back or safety for us!

  87. 87 eagleyankfan said at 11:13 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    I think just about every team is keeping an eye on the Seahawks.

  88. 88 D3FB said at 11:39 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Fortunately we have a great spot on the waiver wire.

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 11:49 AM on August 26th, 2013:


  90. 90 GEagle said at 12:23 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    For a DB, I wouldn’t mess around….give up a late pick if you really like a DB…Even with good waiver positioning, it’s still a gamble

  91. 91 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:45 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    yea, why not. i’m sure the seahawks would take a bag of chips for a guy they are going to cut. better to get something instead of nothing, right?
    so lets toss in a 6th or 7th rd pick to get the guy for sure. this player is probably the equivalent of somebody we would get with those picks in next years draft anyway.

    only unknown: how much does the FO value those late round picks? they might decide that they are high enough on the waiver wire list that they can safely gamble on NOT trading away those picks… who knows.

  92. 92 GEagle said at 1:08 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    me personally, those late round picks are like Gold for me. I value them a lot, and I really think our FO does as well’ especially with the Gems they have been plucking late in the draft these past few years…
    I don’t know enough about the DB in question to give an oppinion’ but if we like the kid enough, because he is a DB, I wouldn’t gamble on the waiver wire

  93. 93 HipDaDip said at 10:22 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Sheil seemed to argue Knott has a better chance to stick than Acho. Do y’all agree? I feel like everything I read says “another strong performance by Knott and Acho.”
    Edit:I feel like I notice Acho more when watching the games, but maybe that’s just a speed thing and not based on plays made.

  94. 94 Anders said at 10:22 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Acho have greater chance. Knott still has some way to go

  95. 95 GermanEagle said at 10:25 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Trusting purely my eyes, I’d prefer Acho to Knott. However I hope that – if cut – Knott makes it through the PS.

  96. 96 GEagle said at 12:24 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    I’ve actually been pleased with what I saw of Ancho so far..Hoping Long and Knott land on our PS

  97. 97 Jerry Goldstein said at 11:02 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    “I would prefer that Roseman and Kelly err on the side of youth. I don’t
    see the Eagles as a Super Bowl contender this year so let’s focus on
    finding young players that might be a solution in the future as much as
    now. They might not, but this is the year to take some chances. You want
    to build up some youth and see if players pan out.”

    I agree with this Tommy. Now if only the FO agreed. *cough*Vick

  98. 98 GermanEagle said at 11:11 AM on August 26th, 2013:

    Why does every post from you seem to include some “Anti-Vick-Ism”?!

  99. 99 fran35 said at 1:17 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    …For the same reason that you feel the need to voice your dissent for every one his posts, Marcus. It’s a forum, people are entitled to their own opinion, even if you disagree.

  100. 100 GermanEagle said at 1:27 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Who’s Marcus?
    Of course people are entitled to their own opinion, however it becomes easily boring when expressing their dislike of the same player over and over again.

  101. 101 GEagle said at 1:28 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    nate Allen sucks!!!! yeah I said it!!! Lol JK

  102. 102 McMVP said at 12:15 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    I know this particular blog posting isn’t the right spot for this, but I just got done seeing the game for the first time and I have question about the varying tempos Chip uses in a game. I’ve read about the green, yellow, and red tempos. What I don’t know yet is why it seems so green with Foles…and more yellow or flat-out red with Vick. It’s Chip calling the tempo, not the QBs…

    I love watching Foles run the green tempo. Yeah, I realize his passes aren’t going downfield, but I truly get the sense that he is keeping the defense off-balance. It has been effective.

    Is Chip holding back the green tempo for Vick until the reg season? Of has he already run it with him and it just doesn’t look the same? What is your game?

    I think many have this question…may be worth a separate posting going in more depth…thanks

  103. 103 GEagle said at 12:20 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Foles took what the defense gave him…if he can march us 99 yards throwing short passes, even better…give the defense a breather, while tiring out the opposing defense, get the ball out faster helping the line…If the defense doesn’t force him to throw down field, I’d happily watch him shred them methodically for 10 yards at a time…I actually prefer it…I seen enough heaving balls down field with Marty n Andy

  104. 104 BlindChow said at 1:35 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Yeah, the Foles portion of the game was what made Oregon so fun to watch the last couple of years.

    The Vick portion of the game was what made the Eagles so brutal to watch over the same time period.

  105. 105 GEagle said at 1:49 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    If I would have seen him handle adversity well for a couple games, and then have that type of performance it would be easier to cope with….but basically, the first time things got tough, he reverted to the same exact guy who terrorized and demoralized us last year…
    Vick is the guy. unfortunately I can’t change that, so let’s hope he got that out of his system in Jaxonville and won’t revert to the bad Vick again…..I have ZERO tolerance for him thinking he can be superman and do dumb ISH!!! he can throw the ball away as many times as he wants and I won’t say a bad word….but I don’t need to see those happy feet/chicken with his head cut off running around the pocket for 6 seconds trying to hit a grand slam. If you can’t find a WR in the first 3 seconds, you immediately take off, or Checkdown…if that’s not the, by the 4 second, throw the damn ball away!!

  106. 106 OregonDucker said at 12:32 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    McMVP – Yes, Chip is holding back the green tempo for Vick until the reg season.

    First, he does not like to lose, even PS game – so he played to win with Foles. Second, since Foles is going against 2s and 3s, he does not want to alarm DCs yet about his scheme. No, just the opposite – he setup Vick in the first half so DCs will scheme blitzes, etc. for Vick, thinking they can exploit his weaknesses.

    What these DCs will see in the regular season will make them question their sanity and the meaning of life. Some will question their careers and whether life is worth living. Others will take their frustrations out on their players and throw Gatorade coolers around. Chip will smile on the sideline with his arms folded. Eagles players will be laughing their asses off.

  107. 107 McMVP said at 12:41 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    I will admit Chip holding back was my first guess. And I love your confidence as someone who has lived and died with this coach.

    I hope what you are saying is true….and I can see it (or at least the groundwork and possibility of it). Part of it at least. The other part isn’t so good. The other part is Vick and his bad-timing ill decisions.

    But I wasn’t referring to just the game vs jax. I noticed the same in the other preseason games. Foles was more green…Vick was yellow/red

    If what you say is true, then Chip believed Vick would be the starter from the start

  108. 108 OregonDucker said at 12:50 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Ask Jim Harbaugh about the Stanford game. His stare at such an inane question would melt glaciers.

  109. 109 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:47 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    man oh man. just reading your optimism has me anxious for this season!! i can’t wait to see what he can put together!!!

  110. 110 GEagle said at 1:16 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    man, we kick off in Washington in 14 days!! Can’t wait to see my beloved defense fully equipped with regular season Demeco!!!

  111. 111 GEagle said at 1:26 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    We gotta start keeping tabs of all the Safeties that get released. So far I got:
    1)Zibikowski cut by the bears, started 11 games for the Colts last year
    2) Chris Hope, Lions
    3) The kid from Miami who plays CB and S(can’t remember his name lol) used to play for Arizona

    Guys who might be getting cut soon:
    1)Patriots Safety Adrian Wilson
    2) Lions Safety, Amari Spievey

    The problem is we are now competing with the Giants for a safety

  112. 112 RIP illa said at 1:49 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    The guy from Miami was Marshall and I thought we should’ve Brought him in for a physical. He signed elsewhere, think the Chargers. And we’re not really competing w/ the Giants, as far as claims go. We can get anyone we want over them from the wire.

  113. 113 GEagle said at 2:02 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Thanks..True, but we could be competing with them on the Safety trade market

  114. 114 GEagle said at 2:19 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    49ers OLB Parys Haralson is said to be on the trade market according to rotoworld.
    8yr veteran who missed all of last year with a torn tricep…His contract is for $1.15Mil……We wouldn’t have much interest for 8 years vets would we?

    Seahawks made their first cuts and they didn’t include any DBs…

  115. 115 GEagle said at 2:25 PM on August 26th, 2013:

    Wth…I’m watching a live Rex Ryan press conference, and he is showing video of the way young players are playing to reporters…I can’t recall ever seeing a coach breakdown Film at a press conference for reporters….What the heck is going on? I doubt the media showed up today to get film breakdown of his UDFA’s….He is trying to sell the good from the last game to the reporters…lol I can’t wait to here the first question they ask Rex

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