Great 1st half.
Things got weird in the 2nd half.
Analysis to come. Lots went right, but there is plenty to correct. It was fun to see the Eagles win.
Holy Mychal Kendricks! Kid had at least 12 tackles tonight and got a ton of pressure. Pretty excited about this guy.
Seems like CK wasn’t BS’ing us when he was talking him up in the preseason.
He has been put back into the scheme he thrived in during college. It was such a shame to see his skill set handcuffed last year. I love him as an A & B gap blitzer, just so fast and aggressive.
That was too close for my liking. The Eagles should’ve blown these guys out. It looks like Chip and Davis both need some work on in-game adjustments. The offense was way too conservative in the second half. It needed to go pedal-to-the metal through the third quarter. Shanahan flat out outcoached them in the second half. Fortunately, those guys were killing it in the first half. A better team like the Broncos still frightens me very much. Nevertheless, a win is a win. I’m cautiously optimistic.
looking back I really think a few key penalties and the Avant turnover were more of an issue than adjustments in the second half. Not to mention that the redskins ran longer drives and kept our O off the field way more in the second half.
i also think our D was playing a lot of soft zones once the lead got built up. but the trouble was 1) we didn’t keep them from scoring and 2) we barely slowed them down on those drives.
i think RG3 was really off/rusty/whatever. a lot of his throws, especially in the first half, were just garbage. i’m going to wait for tommy’s DGR before i really judge the D.
Yeah I agree I’m also very high on RG3 I wish he weren’t a redskin. I think after half he shook off some cob-webbs and threw a lot better in the second half. I mean keep in mind that’s not mark sanchez. RG3 is a star QB he’ll get his.
Hard not to complete <10 yard throws to open receivers…
Yes, It seemed like we were playing against the ref’s too
I wouldnt call it out coaching when 1 TD came after a turnover and one was a garbage time TD that should really have been an interception by Chung.
I think Kelly let up a little too much too soon, but I don’t think it was being out coached that made the difference in the second half. I think what we saw in the second half was actually a better picture of what we are in for this year on defense.
The first half we were playing against preseason RGIII. He was hesitant, off target, and out of sync. In the second half, RGIII looked more like himself, and I fear that our defense looked more like itself.
I wonder how much the big hit from Cole right before halftime brought Griffin into the game.
We also played a lot of soft zone in the 2nd half, I really doubt we will do that the who season. Also there was a point where Williams and Boykin was hurt, it we had to play Poyer and a hurt Boykin.
Good points. The true defense is probably somewhere in the middle, and I’ll take that for a good start.
I seriously doubt Chip is holding much back at this point. He needs to win games now and needs to use every tool in the toolbox to make that happen. Davis simply let the receivers take the short routes all day and didn’t press them enough. Chip opted to run out the clock way too early. The offense was way less effective without the fast tempo. Fortunately, Chip’s past shows that he is the kind of guy who learns his mistakes, accepts them, and fixes them. BTW the Eagles are already doing better than Oregon did when Chip first took them over. Plenty of room for criticism and optimism at the same time.
In game adjustments is something that both sides of the ball severely lost the battle on tonight. There is going to be growing pains but I LOVED watching the Eagles the first 2.5 quarters.
That was an incredibly enjoyable football game, in no small part thanks to the insight I’ve gained on this site and forum. Thank you all for getting me through the offseason. It was a joy reading all your comments and of course, the posts, Tommy. Go birds!
Agreed thanks for taking the edge off the addiction..
agreed. i can’t wait for tommy and bama and others to really break down some of the unique offensive formations we saw.
i saw one with 3 linemen around the ball with the two tackles split really wide. another with both tackles on the left side of the ball and a TE covering the RG. cool stuff.
Agreed. I really like being able to explain the details and give scouting reports on the new guys to my Dad when I drive out there to watch. Thanks for making me an informed fan, Tommy.
coach fipp for president.
my god, what a turnaround on ST from last year!
Love the win.. but in today’s NFL you gotta keep scoring and you never take your foot off the gas. With that being said congrats to Chip and our birds for the win tonight. Sleep is always better after a win
Think they were concerned about Bryce not looking so hot on the carries he got in the first half. If he had looked good and Lane/Todd hadn’t given up so many free hits on Vick I imagine we would have kept the petal to the metal. Trying to avoid injuries in the third/early fourth IMO
Calm down everybody. Geez, the first game of I think a rebuilding team that won 4 games last year. This was a game they were 3 and half underdogs. Plus they did score 33 points. None came directly off a turnover like the Skins’ first touchdown. I’m relieved and happy and not looking back on this one.
and I think we could have scored like 14 more if we hadnt taken the foot of the gas pedal
Great little note in the ESPN recap: “From Elias: The Eagles have not handed the ball to a RB on the 1st play of the season since 1994, when they handed off to Herschel Walker.”
25:49 = Total Pass:Run ratio for the game.
20:31 = Pass:Run ratio in the first half (the ass-whuppin part).
Either way, that’s mind blowing.
Good win. Always great to beat the Skins! Am concerned about Vick and McCoy avoiding injuries this season though. Kelly needs to rotate Brown in more for McCoy. Vick took a beating tonight with the late hits. Am disappointed that Riley Cooper didn’t get many opportunities. It was basically the Vick/McCoy and DJax show.
Tommy, really interested to see your thoughts on Vick in the second half for the DGR. I think its something to be concerned about.
Don’t think it’s something to be that concerned about. Clearly they were going conservative and minus some key penalties and an Avant fumble they would have at least had a couple of field goals to add to the lead.
well, thank god avant held on to that ball on the onsides. he let the skins back in the game with that fumble, but made up for it with a big stretch effort for a 1st down and the game clinching recovery.
when the o is going fast, its going fast. liked what i saw for the most part when everything was full speed. i don’t think kelly was expecting to have to put her into first gear for a long period of time to melt the clock. something to work on. also, looks like vick is hurt again.
as for the d it looks pretty good when it’s in attack mode. when they rush 3 and play coverage it’s a different story. sconces looked excellent out there tonight. glad his play backed up his mouth. patty chung should have to push ups or suicides or something for that blown coverage that gave the skins that bullshit td.
not complaining about the win though, ill take that any day of the week.
after hearing all summer how Boykin did so many pushups for dropped int’s, I couldn’t believe he picked one off! He actually held on to it. Also, pretty sure he played a little outside tonight with Fletcher getting hurt. That’s encouraging.
WOOT WOOT WIN 1 for the IGGLES !! thats all that matters till the next few days :):):)
He was on the other side for a while when Williams was out for a bit. Poyer was in at nickel.
I was happy with Williams as well. He made some good plays and kept his temper in check. Well done.
As for Chung, we need the aggressiveness, but situational awareness is crucial. I hope he learned.
I had so much fun watching the first three quarters, the fourth really left me with such a bad feeling. The Eagles did WIN, right? Why couldn’t the first quarter have sucked and the last three been awesome? Just not considerate football…
I think Chip & Co learned a valuable lesson about the NFL tonight: never let off the gas. I think we so totally dominated them that Chip fell into thinking of the Skins like a season opener FCS team that Oregon always started with and went too conservative to start the 3rd. Defensive lack of adjustments are tough to separate from RGIII shaking the rust off.
or hard to separate from vanilla soft zones to prevent the big play.
Also a valid point. Davis needs to learn to not fix what ain’t broke, especially against special talents at the QB position.
They were playing some soft zones in the first half as well, but RGIII was missing the open receivers.
No lie, I was watching with a few friends, and after the Eagles started going conservative on offense and defense with about 19 minutes left in the game, I started freaking the fuck out. It was WAY too early to be playing soft zones and off coverage and small ball offense. My friends were laughing at me saying I was having a heart attack and to relax because the game was in the bag. And guess what? The game came down to an onside kick. Fuck that shit. There’s no fucking reason when your D has been housing a team all night to suddenly switch up what you’re doing with 20 minutes left in the game. If there’s 6 minutes left and you’re up 4 scores, sure, go prevent all day, but 20 minutes is just way too early. /end rant
I think some key injuries played into this decision making. Shady was having cramps stretched out on the sideline, Bryce didn’t look great, Williams and Boykin both had injuries at one point and Williams actually got pulled for a few plays. Have to think there will be a few games where we get gassed and lose due to our lack of depth. When we get a few non-Andy drafts under our belt though, watch out.
ill second that motion/rant SteveH
The game is basically what we thought about the season. Score a ton of points and let the defense make a few stops. I guess I would be mad about the close game if I expected this team to be a Super Bowl contender.
CLEARLY they have work to do…and they still won. lol
Gotta LOVE it!
OK do we have to keep saying “let off the gas”? Looked more like the redskins O line just looked better and RG3 was hitting the open receivers he was missing in the first. Obviously you’re trying not to allow a big score but if avant doesn’t fumble or we don’t get that holding call and kick a FG we’re 3 scores up instead of 2 so it’s not like there weren’t a few key negative plays. Also the Redskins played better. That happens sometime. plus.. our defense still isn’t that talented.
Geez thanks for keeping it real. Seriously, did people look at the first half and think that it’s going to be easy? It’s a promising start, this will be a fun season watching them wear down defenses. They have some learning and adjusting to do of course, but this was the first division win since 11. I think right? LOL
They beat the Giants last year off a missed FG.
We passed 5 times, yes that is right 5 times in the 2nd half. That is letting the gas of pedal by the offense. Also we play a lot and I mean a lot of soft coverage to avoid the big plays.
Also the last TD pass should have been an interception if Chung had better coverage skills. That means we essential gave them 14 points on a Avant turnover and a missed turnover by our self
So you’re saying our soft zone coverage would have worked if we had better talent?
Also. and? We passed or ran however many times I don’t think that means we necessarily “took our foot off the gas.” It looked more to me like it was a combination of trying to control the clock and a few badly timed turnovers/penalties. If Avant doesn’t fumble and we don’t get that holding call the games not even close and we’re not talking about it because the skins would still only have 17 points.
trying to control the clock = gas of the pedal for me.
The soft coverage wouldnt have worked better with better DBs, but that Hankerson TD catch should have been an interception. Sadly Chung’s weakness is deep coverage. Great chance Allen or Coleman would have intercepted that
Also my favorite part about tonight? (aside from the offense). Seeing a blitz.. Just SEEING A BLITZ. It’s been what? 3 seasons almost since the Eagles blitzed. Wide 9. blech. This is Eagles D even if it’s the 3-4. Philly loves getting after the QB. You can also see how blitzing can…create turnovers. What a novel idea. Washburn!!!!!
What else have you got?
hiding under the wings… i get it…
Great game but I didn’t like in the 4th quarter, it seems the D was conceding the short passes 2-10 yards a pop. They’d tackle them fairly quick but it seems like they were marching up and down the field.
I wish they’d have stayed with the D they were playing before that.
It’ll be interesting to see from the All-22 if anything changed, or if RGIII was just completing the passes he was missing earlier (or if our blitzes were being picked up better).
Who needs All-22 when you have Yuengling? Yuengling says that, on the average, Bob Griffin’s accuracy was the biggest difference vice anything our defense did.
Tommy’s gonna throw PBR’s at you now. (Granted PBR is piss water compared to Yeungling).
Yeah, but putting it terms people used to do around the Eagles, he was playing like people said Kolb did and was connecting on under 10 yard passes. A lot of people can be accurate with that.
Didn’t win by 10+. We are teh suck.
Yes we did. We gave them a 7 point handicap just to make it fair.
just a random thought – how many of our offensive plays went for positive yards vs the number that went for no yards or negative yards?
i honestly can’t remember too many plays that didn’t get us at least 2 yards. a couple of bryce brown runs that were well defended… the vick scramble that he should have thrown away come to mind.
this has me thinking that Chip Kelly is very confident in his team to pick up that 1-2 yards, making the decision to go for it on 4th & 1 so early in game a no-brainer (in his brain, anyway)
One of the most important statistics is called success rate. Basically, a success is a play that got enough yards so that your odds of getting another first down increased. I think the breakdown goes something like this.
1st down – 45% of remaining yards
2nd down – 60%
3rd down – 100%
I’m sure someone compiles this for teams and publishes it on the internet, but I’m not sure where. Pretty interesting to keep in mind when watching a game at least.
It is part of football outsiders. Should be able to see it later today or Wednesday
Wonder how in the world Vick can get a QBR of 36.5
Because their algorithm undervalues the beginning of the game and overvalues the end. More like Eli rating.
Yea it should be named the John Elway or Eli Manning rating.
QBR is ESPN stat right? It is the biggest crap ever invented in the stats world (I mean you can have 3 crap quarters and then 1 good quarter and you get higher QBR than if you have 3 good quarters and then a none existent 4th)
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