What’d You Say About My Sconces?

Posted: September 5th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 135 Comments »

There was a fight at practice today. Normally this would be no big deal. But this altercation involved Riley Cooper and Cary Williams.

Any scuffle involving Cooper is news. After his summer concert idiocy, Cooper became a marked man in a sense. If a DB fights with him, you immediately wonder what was said or done. I don’t question Cooper. I think he knows one wrong word would end his NFL career. I wonder what the other guy said.

When  you fight with someone, you want to get under their skin. You say angry things, hoping to really piss off the other guy. It doesn’t take much to know what would set Cooper off. You could talk about his failure to hit curveballs, the fact that college roomie Timothy J Tebow got cut…or maybe the concert incident. Hmm. Which one would really bother Cooper?

Jeff McLane has some details on the fight, which was not your typical case of 2 guys playing grab-ass and praying for teammates to hurry up and break the scuffle up. This sounds like a real fight that involved real anger.

The altercation began after the two were matched up in one-on-ones. Williams defended a pass and rolled on Cooper, who got up and went after the cornerback.They went right at each other and Williams threw a few punches and grabbed onto Cooper’s facemask. They were clenched together for several moments until cornerback Brandon Boykin was the first to step in, along with assistant defensive backs coach Todd Lyght, and briefly broke up the fight.

Williams threw his helmet to the ground and went back after Cooper, though, and that’s when Vick jumped in. Williams said something to Vick as he walked away and Vick had to be held back, as well.

Cooper is a feisty player. Williams is a DB that will fight anyone. Last September he had words with multiple Eagles players during the game. He got away with shoving an official in the Super Bowl. To call Williams a hot-head is like calling the sun warm.

The good news in all of this is that Mike Vick played peacemaker. He is still very respected by all his teammates. Him supporting Cooper and trying to play peacemaker shows that Vick is okay with his receiver and truly willing to make the best of the situation.

Let’s hope this was just a one-time incident between 2 players who don’t like to back down.

* * * * *

Bills FS Jairus Byrd and his agent are reportedly asking for a trade.

I know many of you want this to happen. It would make a lot of sense. We do know that Howie Roseman is an active, aggressive GM. Byrd does know Chip Kelly a bit from Oregon.

Geoff “the dreamkiller” Mosher explains why the deal isn’t likely to happen. I’m glad he was here to kill your dreams so that I didn’t have to be that person.

Whether Byrd comes to the Eagles or not, it will be interesting to follow the situation and see how it plays out. The team needs a Safety now and will still need help come next March. Byrd could be a target then or could  help make some other player available to the Eagles.


135 Comments on “What’d You Say About My Sconces?”

  1. 1 deg0ey said at 2:55 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I didn’t like WIlliams coming in, his play hasn’t really impressed in preseason, he keeps doing his best to piss everyone off and his cap value triples next season.

    I’ll just work on trying to tolerate him until he inevitably gets cut next summer.

  2. 2 GEagle said at 12:36 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    “inevitable gets cut next summer”?…..lol ok

  3. 3 deg0ey said at 4:25 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    He hasn’t stood out as a good player in the games or in practice and, in fact, he’s stood out for being a bit of a dick.

    The $6m he’s guaranteed next season becomes fully guaranteed if he’s still on the roster in week two and, based on his mediocrity in Baltimore and his seemingly having a bad attitude so far this summer, I don’t see any way that Chip and Howie keep him around.

    Sure, he could put in a pro bowl season this year and make all of the character problems worth putting up with, but it seems very unlikely.

  4. 4 GEagle said at 8:22 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    I think Chip and Howie LOVE his Charecter…I think the coaches smile when they see Carry bring the Nasty

  5. 5 deg0ey said at 9:10 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Let’s see how much the coaches smile when they see him bring the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties…

  6. 6 Julescat said at 3:00 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    this won’t end well with the media’s love for racism storylines

  7. 7 Adam said at 3:10 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Would it be better to trade for Williams or wait till he’s a FA and get in a bidding war? Former would mean (somewhat) cheaper price but giving up picks. Latter would be more expensive but obviously we can keep out picks.

  8. 8 Anders said at 3:17 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I suppose you mean Byrd.

    The problem is even if we trade for him, we cant give him a new contract so he could seek FA next year unless we wants to tag him

  9. 9 A_T_G said at 3:39 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Yeah, the inability to work out the new contract as part of the deal pretty much eliminates the possibility, in my opinion. There is no way we are giving up a second or third to have him just for this season, and we can’t be confident it would lead to any more than that.

  10. 10 A_T_G said at 3:48 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I am pretty sure that you can make out Williams telling Vick that only a moron would pass up the chance to create ambience and light-defined spaces by using only overhead illumination. I can understand why Vick went after him.

  11. 11 Mike Cappelli said at 4:20 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    “I try to be the peacemaker, but these young
    dudes don’t respect traditional decorative lighting”

  12. 12 Brendan Ekstrom said at 5:08 AM on September 8th, 2013:

    Best two comments I’ve ever seen on this site. Haha

  13. 13 Flyin said at 4:01 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    The video of the fight, to me, is no big deal. However, what Cary may have said to Vick may be the biggest issue of this whole thing…

    “Approached first by a Daily News reporter who congratulated him for being a
    peacemaker, Vick said: “I try to be the peacemaker, but these young
    dudes don’t respect me.””


  14. 14 Joseph Dubyk said at 5:23 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    no one of defense respects Vick anymore. He never could kill you with his arm and now his legs are diminishing.

  15. 15 Cafone said at 8:10 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Never could kill you with his arm? C’mon bud, we try to keep it objective around here. Try this video to refresh your memory:


  16. 16 Jerry Goldstein said at 9:28 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Yeah, we get it, Vick was good for 6 games in 2010.

  17. 17 deg0ey said at 3:57 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    That’s the problem when people say ‘never’ – they’re very easily shown to be wrong.

  18. 18 Joseph Dubyk said at 8:32 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    yeah 6 whole games of glory

  19. 19 Cafone said at 9:04 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    8 games and a quarter

  20. 20 Cliff said at 7:03 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    5 seasons and a movie

  21. 21 Joseph Dubyk said at 8:21 PM on September 7th, 2013:

    fauir enough lol

  22. 22 Guest said at 4:37 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Its time for Chip to put Cary Williams in his place. I’ve had enough of his antics. My dad was a former Delaware football player under Tubby Raymond. One day he got in a fight with somebody and inadvertently knocked Tubby over in the process. Tubby was pissed and made him do a punishment drill where 3 offensive linemen would triple team him all run into him repeatedly. That’s the kind of drill Cary needs to go through.

  23. 23 Christopher Backhaus said at 4:46 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I can understand the fight because of competiveness and even some anger in part from Williams. Looks like Copper started the fight though…
    Also, Williams could have broken his hand by punching Copper’s hellmet. That’s stupid…

  24. 24 SteveH said at 5:11 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    This wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. I was listening to them describe it on the radio on the ride home and to hear the hosts describe the fight you’d think it was Ali-Frazier.

  25. 25 Ark87 said at 5:24 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Yes there was a bit of dramatic flair to most of the reports. Williams ripped his helmet off and threw it on the ground and came back for more. Err he took his helmet off and dropped it on the ground and followed the retreating party to keep jawing and get the last word, as loud moths do.

  26. 26 Joseph Dubyk said at 5:21 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    we aren’t in close to being a safety away from being a good defense…stupid trade.

  27. 27 Ark87 said at 5:25 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    TIL(today i learned): Mike Vick can block Cary Williams.

  28. 28 bentheimmigrant said at 5:35 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    “Williams is a DB that will fight anyone.”

    I’m trying to work out what sense you’re using “DB”…

  29. 29 Ark87 said at 5:36 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    well played sir!

  30. 30 A_T_G said at 5:42 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Wow, that is fantastic.

  31. 31 Media Mike said at 5:39 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    There are better things to fight over. Like how quickly the read-option fad is going to die with dead QBs all over the NFL this year.


    Very very happy that Chip has the brains to have seen his system run well in New England and followed it by bringing in Shurmur.

  32. 32 ICDogg said at 5:41 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    also Peter King has a new piece

    The Future, or a Fad?

    The scheme that overran the NFL last year, the read-option is simple in its conception and devastating when executed right. This season we’ll see if it’s built to last


  33. 33 Media Mike said at 5:43 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    The key point is that QBs pretending to be running backs and continuing to be involved with run fakes are going to get blasted into oblivion. The plays work, but the players running them die. Quarterback isn’t an interchangeable position.

  34. 34 ICDogg said at 5:47 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    QBs get blasted doing 7 step drops too.

  35. 35 Media Mike said at 5:49 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    True enough, but they’re protected from free shots after throwing the ball and cannot be hit in the head while passing, even with the ball. They have no such protection when acting as a runner. The danger is greater in read-option.

  36. 36 ICDogg said at 5:57 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I think it’s overstated. If the QB holds onto the ball longer, regardless for what reason, he’s in more danger. The only way for the danger to be substantially reduced is for the QB to be able to make quick reads and quick throws.

    The rules only help so much.

  37. 37 Media Mike said at 6:04 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I can’t say I agree with you there. Even a quick read by the QB keeps him in a place to get hit and hit badly when he is in the process of faking a handoff and continuing to act as if he’s a runner.

  38. 38 ICDogg said at 6:09 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    As soon as the heat starts to come, he can show his hands. So I don’t think they’re going to get pounded much if any more than usual.

  39. 39 ICDogg said at 6:10 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    The one thing I will say, though, is that defenses are going to be a lot more prepared for the read option this year than last. So it’s not going to catch anyone off guard like it might have before, if they keep using it.

  40. 40 Anders said at 7:42 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I know Vick will keep handing off if it means we are winning.
    Also, teams have tried the knock the QB out before in college and you seldomly hear about QBs getting knocked out in college. I cant remember if it was the Packers or Falcons that tried it last year and they didnt even get near Kaepernick.

  41. 41 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:41 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    College QBs only have to last 2-4 years. Still, I think the concept is good, but you would want to load up on option QBs on the roster. I would think that would represent a somewhat untapped resource until now.

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 5:50 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    And here is another high quality link


  43. 43 BlindChow said at 6:21 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    A higher percentage of QB’s have been injured in the pocket than during designed runs.

  44. 44 deg0ey said at 4:01 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Sample size issues probably skew that – I imagine that more snaps by QBs involve being in the pocket than on designed runs.

  45. 45 eagleyankfan said at 7:41 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    just ask RG3.

  46. 46 bdbd20 said at 5:42 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I know I’m in the minority here, but I like Carey’s attitude. Never back down. Obviously he’s a nutcase, but maybe we need a few of those.

    I do remember Nnamdi getting into a little skirmish last TC. I believe he swung and missed and then pointed to Nate Allen.

  47. 47 Media Mike said at 5:42 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I like the fight in him as well!

  48. 48 A_T_G said at 5:48 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I don’t have a problem with the aggression from either of them, but know when to let it go. Last year he pushed an official because he was in a blind rage. Today he disrespected his coach, then said something to Michael Vick, then missed practice pacing by himself.

    There are unwritten rules for these things. He crossed a few lines, moving from firey to jackass, in my opinion.

  49. 49 GEagle said at 10:38 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Hasn’t caused a single penalty yet…so what’s th problem right now? Too tough? Practicing too tough against our WR? Bringing some nasty to the team?….GOOD!!!! About friggin time!!

  50. 50 Ark87 said at 5:49 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I’d prefer he keep it between the whistles. I like the Jawing if he can back it up. If he sucks, or the defense in general sucks, it would be pretty embarrassing.

  51. 51 Anders said at 8:08 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    NA was just practicing his pointing skills. Tho he clearly missed because he should have been pointing at Kurt Coleman

  52. 52 GEagle said at 10:36 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Cary is a friggin GODSEND!!! fans are just ridiculous. see what your silly lil choir boy defense got Yous the past two years, and you have the damn audacity to complain about a kid who brings some fight to the defense? His antics haven’t even cost us a penalty yet,…yet Yous take the Jeff McLane Bait…sink, line and Hook….suckers!!L
    by the end of today, I will Own a Cary Williams Eagles Jersey!!!
    Bet you Jim Johnson would have loved Cary!!!
    Bet Wes Hopkins would love Cary!
    But Yous fell for Jeff mclanes BS….lol suckers

  53. 53 bkshawon12 said at 5:47 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    The only fight I’d want to see Cary Williams in, and likely the only one he’d win, is a “Last Cary Standing” featuring him and Cary Elwes.

  54. 54 Baloophi said at 8:54 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    How about a posthumous contestant?

  55. 55 Mac said at 9:21 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Can we toss Drew Carey in the mix?

  56. 56 planetx1971 said at 7:00 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I’d bet my paycheck that if this went down just as reported, & Vick jumped in to be peacemaker which is what the pics I saw show. But then Cary said something to Vick that caused him to have to be restrained, he definitely called #7 an Uncle Tom. Just seems likely. Unimportant, but likely.

  57. 57 Christopher Miller said at 7:59 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Same could be said of Williams regarding ear plugs…I am sure with his history he will be watched closely for extra curricular activity and if I was going against him in a third and long I would be goading him into a stupid personal foul penalty every time. The tough guy shtick will get real old when it starts costing us 15 yards a pop.

  58. 58 D3FB said at 8:45 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    That’s the first thing that came to mind when I heard Vick had to be restrained as well.

  59. 59 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:42 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I’m guessing you don’t think #5 and Sconces would get along…

  60. 60 D3FB said at 11:49 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Yea probably not. Also if he shares the same views as Rob Parker, he and RG3 won’t be exchanging many pleasantries.

  61. 61 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:49 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    I guess Vick’s wondering exactly what someone has to do to get some street cred nowadays…

  62. 62 BobSmith77 said at 8:47 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Two bad that Cooper doesn’t play with that feisty nature and be really physical in actual games. Williams is a head case and I’m already tired of his constant jawing and antics. Kind of reminds me of Coleman except at least Kurt has the good sense not to fight his teammates. Coleman just runs his mouth all of the time and takes plenty of chances to get shots in late/do stupid crap like grab & clutch the other guy after contact.

    Really hope this team is more likeable than last year’s version. I already dislike D. Jackson and Coleman for various reasons. You can add Williams to that list too. Cooper too although he did seem genuine in his apology this summer even if he was completely full of cr@p about using the ‘n’ word previously.

  63. 63 Cafone said at 11:13 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    DeSean Jackson is awesome and by all accounts he’s completely bought into the new offense, has been working his tail off, and has had a great camp. After all those years with sub-par talent at receiver, it’s great to have a guy with as much talent as Jackson. I honestly feel sorry for Eagles fans who can’t appreciate him.

    Coleman is a guy who doesn’t have close to the natural talent of someone like Jackson, but still I do not understand why so many fans dislike him. What was he? a seventh round pick. What do you expect to get out of the 7th round? An athletic freak who is going to make pro bowls? We got a guy who is too slow to be a starter but does his best to make up for it with toughness and special teams play. I like him and I’m happy he’s an Eagle.

  64. 64 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:43 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Reno Mahe award.

  65. 65 eagleyankfan said at 7:39 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    DJ is awesome? This going after last year? Preseason? Or is that a prediction? I think we need to see more than pre-season before saying he’s bought all in….

  66. 66 Anders said at 8:12 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    You mean last year where he caught everything there was to catch and if it hadnt been for Vick and the terrible OL, he would most likely have crossed 1000 yards in those 11 games?

  67. 67 eagleyankfan said at 8:31 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    I agree — those 11 games. maybe this year he can play all 16.

  68. 68 Cafone said at 1:49 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Exactly all far up on the Eagle’s all-time receivers list will Jackson have to get before you will acknowledge his talent? After 5 years he’s top 10. This year he will probably get up to #4, and by the end of next season he will probably have passed Mike Quick and be sitting in the #3 spot, even if he has below average (for him) seasons

    He’s already #3 on the all time punt return yardage list and if Chip Kelly decides to let him return punts this year he will probably pass Brian Mitchell for the #1 spot.

    But I guess if you can’t believe your own lying eyes then statistics aren’t going to convince you.

  69. 69 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Cooper DOES play with that feisty-ness. AND he encourages hits. I’m not sure what you saw last year to change your mind. IF DJ had Coopers toughness…he’d be an elite WR.

  70. 70 A_T_G said at 9:37 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    I told my wife about today’s story and shared some of the comments with her. I wanted to share a few thoughts from my wife.

    First, she is glad I have this forum so she doesn’t have to endure my unique sense of humor alone. However, she says you guys encourage me and make it worse for her.

    Last, she didn’t understand why bentheimmigrant’s comment was funny, because she didn’t realize DB could also stand for defensive back.

  71. 71 Ark87 said at 11:53 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Have you tried soothing Mrs.A_T_G with a Haiku about GJ Kinne yet?

  72. 72 A_T_G said at 6:37 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    I don’t think I am comfortable discussing our sex life.

  73. 73 A_T_G said at 11:37 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Boy, without Cary Williams (and a few other guys) the Ravens defense just isn’t what it used to be. Maybe I underestimated the kid.

  74. 74 ICDogg said at 11:48 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    Yep, Cary Williams (and a couple of insignificant HOFers)

  75. 75 Anders said at 11:54 PM on September 5th, 2013:

    The Ravens D was average last year as well. hell the whole team was average last year.

    but because they won the SB, everybody is kissing Ozzies ass and saying every move is a move of genius when everybody can see that trading Boldin and signing Stokley and Clark is a bad move.

  76. 76 GEagle said at 10:32 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    I think his genius is mostly praised for the defensive side of the ball

  77. 77 Andy124 said at 8:35 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Agreed. If Sconces was still with the Ravens all 7 of Manning’s td passes last night would have gone to CW. Pic 6 all night long. Not even debatable.
    That was pretty crazy though. Biggest takeaway was that Eric Decker owners in fantasy are screwed.

  78. 78 GermanEagle said at 2:07 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Plus I should have picked Julius Thomas over Fred Davis… 🙁

  79. 79 eagleyankfan said at 7:45 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Williams = 1 and done. I don’t see him as a CK player. Feisty is one thing. Stupid is another. Williams took this to a stupid level.

  80. 80 GEagle said at 10:31 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    What exactly has this alleged stupidity cost us for you to make that statement lol?
    Haven’t you had enough choir boy defense?

  81. 81 Patrick said at 11:18 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    It was stupid to return to a fight, after he was removed by teammates/coaches. The original fight was fine by me, show that you care, but when you proved that you aint taking no shit and how tough you are, back down, he is you own freaking teammate!

  82. 82 GEagle said at 11:28 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Oh so because he didn’t calm down fast enough for your liking….got it
    FYI, I couldn’t care less if defenders and offensive players on the same team don’t like each other..Anyone that has ever been in a locker room at any level of football knows that it’s not always coombaya, and this type of stuff happens all the time….I love it…NEVER BACK DOWN!!! we should be celebrating how Cary is wired

  83. 83 ITI: Eagles Links 9/6 – Weapon DeSean - Inside the Iggles said at 8:34 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    […] at IgglesBlitz, Tommy Lawlor gives us his input on the fight between Riley Cooper and Cary Williams […]

  84. 84 barneygoogle said at 8:56 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Fight? It was like Howie Roseman battling with Jeff Lurie and hitting each other with wet handkerchiefs. Big bunch of nothing.

  85. 85 GEagle said at 10:26 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Right….Jeff McLane should lose his credentials for bringing this bullshit drama to ur doorstep days before kickoff….WTF was he doing writing a piece revisiting the cooper situation, days before kickoff? he is supposed to be a conduit to the fans, well he isn’t representing me by fabricating BS drama days before we kickoff….

    Can’t wait til Chip has some success, so he can just shut the entire media down the way Bellicek did….reporters in this city for the most part, don’t know how to act, and don’t deserve access anyway…

  86. 86 GEagle said at 9:39 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    LOVE Cary Williams!!! BAD COP to Demcos GOOD COP!!! A player who will not allow his teammates to be soft and hold them accountable…

    We finally got a Pitbull. And people are bitching cause he won’t always be a poodle 100% of the time in practice? Do Yous have any idea what Cooper will have to put up with from opposing defenses this year? He better get used to it…

    We also have a corner who will fight and go hard at our WRs every day in practice, and people are complaining….
    Enjoy your choir boy defenses, how far did they get you these past two years?
    I wanted a DOG, and we got one!!! where the hell can I go buy a Cary Williams Jersey?
    btw, anyone hear anything on the Frucktenberg watch? Didn’t get any texts last night, if I don’t hear anything by noon, I will send a text and try to find out What’s going on..

  87. 87 Andy124 said at 10:55 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Found this on the AP:

    In an unusual turn of events for a practice squad player, Baltimore renegotiated the contract of practice squad TE Matt Frustenberg when reports that another team was intent on claiming him were leaked yesterday. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but it is believed to be be approximately a 30% increase in salary for the undrafted tight end.

  88. 88 GEagle said at 11:32 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    I just sent a text to his GF, and she said that agent hasn’t said anything yet about an Eagles offer last night…

  89. 89 Andy124 said at 12:19 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    You realize I was kidding right?

  90. 90 GEagle said at 12:34 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Lol yeah tHats why I wrote the “nice try” lol

  91. 91 Daniel said at 9:41 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Tommy, why did DRC not suck last night?

    Relatedly, why is life unfair?

  92. 92 Lewwyn said at 10:09 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Didn’t you hear? His new coaches pointed out his flaws to him for the first time.

  93. 93 SteveH said at 1:30 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    DRC was actually on a pro bowl pace until Castillo got fired last year. He went in the shitter after that. People like to rag on his lack of physicality (which is super frustrating) but when he’s on his game he has legit top tier cover skills.

  94. 94 GEagle said at 9:43 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Hahahahah what a bunch of soft group of wimps we have all become…THIS happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR ON EVERY SINGLE TEAM…but because our bullshit Drama Queen media runs with it…It’s the end of the world? GTFO here..

    After NNamdi, DRC, quitting soft defense, who wouldn’t even stand up and fight for their Damn selves,…people should be worshipping the ground Cary walks on!!! Yous should be collecting money to pay for the mans sconces..

    How the hell is this a Story? Boo hoo, a dust up between teammates. cry me a river, build a bridge and get Ov it, you pansies 🙂
    Cary will hit everything that moves….until we have ATleast 11 other defenders who will fight, complaining that Cary is too much of a fight is Assenine…when he gets a penalty and hurts his team, then we can complain….

  95. 95 Neil said at 6:56 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Guys who get so heated they shove refs aren’t common. This guy gets into a fight a few times a month. The fact that this one was with Riley means it’s probably going to be overblown to some degree, but Williams clearly isn’t normal.

  96. 96 GEagle said at 10:41 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    yesterday only happened because Jeff McLane decided to revisit the cooper story yesterday(4days before our season starts), putting it back in our minds…then practice started and the dust up happened….Yet Cary is the problem? our Defender is too tough? He battles too hard? he fights too much? Are we kidding?

    I would make Cary the team Captain Today! Lol

  97. 97 GermanEagle said at 10:48 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    He was already one of three team captains during the pre-season.

  98. 98 GEagle said at 11:35 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    As he should be….Now, I’d make him the starting QB lol

  99. 99 eagleyankfan said at 11:22 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    there’s a difference between a hard nosed/no non-sense player and a thug. Cary is/was always will be a thug. He is no Dawkins. Dawkins lets his play as intimidation. Cary uses his mouth to try to intimidate. Let’s see how Cary plays….

  100. 100 GEagle said at 11:33 AM on September 6th, 2013:

    Lol…GOOD!!!!! I wish we had 20 Thugs on defense!!!
    And I have a serious issue with you calling a family man, who has never gotten in any trouble with the law a Thug….what he is, is a hard nosed football player….Wonder what Yous would have thought about LT back in the day if he were an Eagle? Lol

  101. 101 Iskar36 said at 12:10 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    There comes a point where it is counterproductive. Cary Williams is extremely lucky he didn’t get thrown out of the Super Bowl. By rule, he should have been kicked out of the Super Bowl, and in the biggest game of his career, he would have let his team down in a major way. That is not “toughness” that is simply stupidity.

  102. 102 bentheimmigrant said at 12:11 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Meh. I wouldn’t call him a thug. I would say that he doesn’t appear to know the difference between playing tough and acting tough. No one cares if you can talk and push and scrap. I want him dominating between the whistles. And if he’s not doing that I’ll really be noticing the extracurricular crap.

  103. 103 GEagle said at 1:29 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Ben: That’s really not fair to say that he doesn’t play tough. Plays tougher then any corner we have seen since Sheldon…Are you under some impression that Cary played bad this preseason? we played off coverage his first game against Panthers nursing a hamstring injury, and then he has played well…

    We have 3 Physical corners, will will tackle, bend but not break style of defense…NO, we don’t have shut down corners, but there weren’t exactly flooding this years market either…
    Iskar: If he can continue to push the envelope and not hurt his team, then GOOD!!! he hasn’t hurt us in any game yet, in any way…so I’m not bashing anyone over hypotheticals…The moment his antics Cost us, I promise you I will be the first to flame him…..

    But see all the negatives you guys listed? They are more then an acceptable price to pay to instill some damn heart and toughness into a historically wimpy defense….we all complained about the toughness, no one to grab a teammates face mask and demand toughness…well we got it, and toughness ain’t always pretty, but it’s the most important addition that this defense needed…..Until Demeco is going to grab a young defenders face mask, and chew him the hell out and demand that he be tough…then Carry Williams is a neccessary evil!!!

  104. 104 Iskar36 said at 5:22 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    He has played in what, less than 2 games worth of pre-season action? Sure, he hasn’t hurt us in that amount of time. And let’s not pretend that Williams knew how far to push the envelope in the Super Bowl and still get away with it. He got flat out lucky that the ref didn’t do anything. That wasn’t Cary being savvy or anything like that.

    I don’t have any issue with Williams trying to be physical and attempting to make a statement on defense, but he has to do it in a controlled way that doesn’t create penalties, or worse, lead to him getting ejected from a game. Anyone can pull off the antics of fighting with the opposing players. That’s not a skill. It’s doing it while playing within the rules of the game and not hurting your team in the process that requires talent. No, he hasn’t gotten benched in his less than 2 games worth of action, but he has shown negative signs that it is a real possibility (and should have happened in what was the most important game of his life).

  105. 105 GEagle said at 8:17 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Again…hasn’t committed any penalties, or been kicked out a game yet…when he does, then you have a int…until the,. It’s all BS

  106. 106 bentheimmigrant said at 5:30 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Not at all. I think he covered ok from what I saw of him in man. But then he gets in little scraps and he talks trash and then says something about wanting to be like Dawkins. And that really grates on me. Because you should frustrate receivers by beating them, not insulting their mother.

  107. 107 Insomniac said at 2:16 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Yup. No one will confuse Cary Williams with Richard Sherman anytime soon. There’s a reason why the Ravens let him go..and we’re seeing it. I can care less if he thinks he’s tough but when you don’t back up what comes out of your mouth…you’re just a punk.

  108. 108 GEagle said at 8:16 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    When hasn’t he backed up anything yet?

  109. 109 anon said at 2:57 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Tell ’em He misses practice for his daughter’s recital, helps his wife pick out sconces and got his teeth fixed? Not too thuggish to me.
    His on the field and off the field personnas seem completely different.

  110. 110 GEagle said at 8:15 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    And that’s exactly the type of eagle we want…good dude off the field, rocky balboa type on the field

  111. 111 Greg M said at 12:31 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    He’s barely played or practiced with this team. He flies off the handle without any regard for the best interests of his team and teamates. He should have been ejected from the Superbowl last year. He’s a liability in coverage. He picks out sconces.

    The list could go on and on.

    BTW: Who is this Yous guy you keep talking to in your posts?

  112. 112 GEagle said at 1:30 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Our organization sure thinks enough about this negative player you describe to have made him a captain during the preseason

  113. 113 juggadore said at 1:23 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    riley cooper is such a malcontent. if he were black he’d be seen as a problem child. did you guys read this article? that’s a little more than “close to the edge”.


  114. 114 juggadore said at 1:25 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    “Some of it was the typical stuff that dogs teenage athletes everywhere – bad grades, injuries, profanity, tantrums directed at officials and umpires.

    “But there were far more serious incidents – one in 2003 involving a theft at a party, a car burglary that same year, and, after punching through the window of a BMW being driven by a teenager, criminal mischief charges in 2006.”

  115. 115 juggadore said at 1:26 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    that’s petty theft, grand theft, assault, mischief, and probably a ton of other stuff that we never heard about because he was rich. his dad paid everyone off to let him off the hook..

  116. 116 Julescat said at 1:38 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    and Vick killed dogs for sport. You not going to cheer for him either?

  117. 117 juggadore said at 1:38 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    who said anything about vick?

  118. 118 juggadore said at 2:25 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    oh yeah, this was on the philly.com homepage yesterday.. seems like they’re skewing the story a bit, doesnt it?

  119. 119 Guest said at 1:44 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    did you catch philly.com’s headline about the fight? “Williams used racial slur during fight”, with a image of a disgraced cary williams looking down. never mind that he was just quoting cooper… but he said a slur and is a disgrace. i see what they’re trying to do there..

  120. 120 Cafone said at 2:08 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    The Philly media has been getting out shined by all the newer guys putting out worthwhile analysis all summer. The Riley Cooper story gave them a momentary taste of their former glory, but let’s face it: that story didn’t have the complexion they thrive on.

    Yesterday they probably got in a circle and danced a jig when this news came out. It may not be Iverson, or even Owens, but they can dream!

  121. 121 Cafone said at 2:23 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Vick never killed dogs for sport. He allowed other dogs to kill dogs for sport. And he put injured dogs to sleep, but did not make sport of it.

    Vick was just another in a long line of “Don’t look over here at the real criminals looting your economy and bugging your internet” celebrity prosecutions meant to distract simple minded Americans from the corporate takeover of their democracy. And you fell for it…

  122. 122 Neil said at 7:02 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    The democracy’s been gone since FDR. As We Go Marching by John T Flynn is a nice treatment by a man who lived through the era.


  123. 123 fran35 said at 9:40 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Please go back and read the indictment against Vick. This is a fact that you cannot pin on the media.

    “Put dogs to sleep” is not even close to what he did. He hung dogs that refused to fight and then electrocuted them. I believe the words the judge used was “shock to the senses”.

    Before you run this junk anymore, just google the following words together “Michael Vick, rape stand”.

    The guy did his time and now is a good role model. Deserves all the good things that have happened to him. But please do not attempt to paint his history in a soft pastel.

  124. 124 Cafone said at 2:15 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    You may be right there. But to play devil’s advocate, part of the reason this stuff may not have attracted much attention is that he’s been such a borderline roster guy throughout his career. He’s been the #4 or #5 receiver that you would like to upgrade, not the kind of guy anyone was ever expecting to challenge for a serious role.

    And if it wasn’t for Maclin’s injury he might not even be on the team right now.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he wasn’t on the team next year, even without all this controversy. He’s a player the Eagles would surely love to replace with someone better.

  125. 125 GEagle said at 8:14 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Cary is here to stay…Coaches probably love his gritt
    a corner will be added, but I think he eventually replaces fletcher, not Williams…fletch would go to the bench

  126. 126 Cafone said at 11:44 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    In case it wasn’t clear, I was talking about Cooper, not Wilson.

  127. 127 ACViking said at 8:51 PM on September 6th, 2013:

    Re: Cooper/Williams/Vick

    1. The media likes to say how “the team” has moved on because that’s what Vick says. If Vick says so, it must be true.

    Neither the media nor the voters of this country ever say the same sort of thing when the president says something — Obama, Bush I and II, Clinton, Reagan. Whomever.

    Vick speaks for himself. I doubt he polls the lockerroom. The rest of the team is either too professional or too concerned about having to find a real job to say much of anything.

    2. Carey Williams’s performance so far has been judged fairly harshly by most folks who comment here.

    Some have talked about how great it will be when he’s cut next year.

    In fairness, what has Riley Cooper done in his career or this late summer? Block some?

    My point is only that Cooper has done any more with, arguably, less difficult responsibilities than Williams.

    Seems way too soon to much of anything about either of them — except their careers haven’t been Pro Bowl level (to coin an understatement).

  128. 128 juggadore said at 12:52 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    i like cary williams’ grit. i hope he gives the defense a toughness that we havent seen in a while..

  129. 129 A_T_G said at 7:53 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Interesting take. I think a leader on a football team would compare more to a Fidel Castro-type, the ascended guerrilla leader that claims the throne through his prowess in action, charamisa, and intimidation. Those leaders get to speak for their followers because no one is bold enough to disagree, until their power starts to wane.

    So, even if they disagree with Michael, the fact that no one has done so publicly would suggest that maybe these young kids still respect him more than he thinks.

  130. 130 GEagle said at 8:12 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Good post

  131. 131 Flyin said at 8:42 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    “You misspell my name again, I’m gonna pop a sconce in your ass!” – Cary Williams

  132. 132 A_T_G said at 9:41 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    “I’m not the lighting director you want to (mess) with! I’m not the lighting director you want to (mess) with!”

    Turns to peacemaker, Tommy, “Get off of me you house lighting director!”

  133. 133 Cliff said at 7:01 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Check this out. Info-graphic of NFL salaries by position by team. Pretty neat.


  134. 134 Anders said at 7:22 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    We got the most expensive offense in the NFL.

  135. 135 A_T_G said at 7:39 AM on September 7th, 2013:

    Very cool. It is interesting to compare us to other NFCE team.