Eagles Notebook

Posted: October 15th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 86 Comments »

I was listening to the Colin Cowherd show this morning when the subject of Chip Kelly came up. I don’t remember Cowherd’s exact words, but he had a negative slant on Kelly and his first 6 games. Peter King responded that Chip has done a good job and that the offense is working.

I have no problem with people being critical of Kelly, but I think too many are doing it in a nonsensical way. He hasn’t immediately fixed a 4-12 team? What the heck is wrong with him!!! Jim Harbaugh got the Niners to win right away, but inherited a team that was already built the way he wanted it. Kelly is having to build the Eagles to be his kind of team. Pete Carroll went 7-9 in his first 2 seasons in Seattle. Not all coaches can step in and win right away.

Les Bowen wrote an excellent piece on Chip Kelly and some criticism that is coming his way.

If we’re holding a referendum on Kelly’s offensive ideas – which are why the Eagles hired him – what I see is the second team in NFL history to manage at least 1,500 passing and 1,050 rushing yards through the first six games. (The Eagles, who researched the stat, say the first was the 1954 Rams.) I also see 2,699 net yards after six games, the highest total in franchise history. I see at least 400 yards of offense in each of the first six games, something that only has been done by two other teams, the 2007 Patriots and the 1983 Chargers. The Eagles have never had a stretch of six 400-yard games in a row, at any point in any season. Ever.

For those reasons, when I look at Kelly, I really don’t see Steve Spurrier, or Dennis Erickson, or Butch Davis. Or Schiano, who has now lost 10 of his last 11 games.

Am I saying that Kelly is already a success in the NFL? No. We don’t know yet whether he is going to build a Super Bowl winner here, or whether he’ll ever even have a winning season.

The personnel challenge ahead is huge, and there’s a good chance it still involves not just building a defense but also drafting a true franchise QB.

So far, though, I think he is absolutely what he was supposed to be.

I totally agree. We don’t know what to make of Kelly yet, but he’s not the failure that some hoped or that some continue to try to make him out to be.

Les also has some good stuff on the run defense and the DeSean/Revis battle. Make sure to check the whole piece out.

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The QB rotation at practice today is Foles, Barkley and Vick. Wednesday and Thursday are the key days. We’ll see how things look then.

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Bill Davis mentioned that Patrick Chung could have some nerve damage in his shoulder. If so, we’ll see a lot of Nate Allen and Earl Wolff  They’re playing okay right now so that’s not the worst thing in the world.

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Some of you asked if Foles going against a lot of zone coverage in Tampa could have given a false-positive on him. That is possible. But Tampa did mix in some man coverage. The TD to Cooper came vs man coverage. The other long gain to Cooper might have been man coverage. Regardless of the coverage, Cooper made a good move and got the big gain.

One of the reasons I’m being careful not to over-praise Foles is because you really want a good sample size before coming to a conclusion. We’ve seen players and teams have singular games where they were exceptionally good or bad. You must be careful about making too much of a performance. If a guy does it over the course of several games, that can still be flawed, but it does give you a more accurate picture.

You always want to be optimistic, but it is better to be cautiously optimistic. I’ve been burned over the years by falling in love with players after a terrific showing only to find out they can’t replicate that performance on a regular basis. We saw that with Kevin Kolb. His good days were spectacular, but his bad days were bad.

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LeSean leads the NFL in rushing.

DeSean is 2nd in the league in receiving yards.

The Eagles are 5th in the NFL in team passer rating, at 102.4.

Bradley Fletcher is 3rd in  the league in pass deflections with 10.

The Eagles are 16th in the NFL in run defense.

And the team is all the way up at 29th in scoring defense. Gang Green II, baby!!!

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  • eagleyankfan

    great article — right up to “but also drafting a true franchise QB” — but you’re not anti-Foles — so you say…

    • Weapon Y

      First off, that wasn’t Tommy’s quote. He was citing Les Bowen’s article. Secondly, take a closer look at the quote. It says there’s a CHANCE Kelly will need to select a franchise quarterback. Les isn’t definitive either way, nor is Tommy.

      • eagleyankfan

        I thought those were t-laws comments after reading the article. I’ll take back my comments…

  • Jamie Parker

    We’ll see how well Wolff and Allen are playing as they play against Dez Bryant and Terrance Williams this week. And Witten. Especially with Murray out.

    • @FlyEaglesNation

      are you making out Murray’s injury to be a bad thing for the Eagles?

      • Jamie Parker

        It’s possible. The Cowboys might not have as much confidence in Dunbar together with the fact that the middle of our pass defense has stunk all season. I know I’d certainly be betting the over this week if I could.

  • Rage114

    As of today, the Eagles are a 0.500 team. If they finish the season 8-8, that would mean the Kelly doubled the number of wins from last season in his first season as head coach.
    I am not sure where the negativity is coming from.

    I would consider his first season a huge success.

    • TheRogerPodacter

      that line of thinking goes both ways.
      on one hand, we are currently sitting at 3 wins. we have 10 games to get 2 wins and we will improve upon last season.
      on the other hand, we started out last year at 3-1 and still ended the year 4-12. (yea, i know its really apples & oranges, but you never know!)

    • A_T_G

      And, following that progression, if he doubles it again next year…

      • Rage114

        Holla!

      • Iskar36

        On the other hand, anything less than his doubling standard would be below expectations, therefore, in two years, if we are not undefeated, it will be an utter failure on Chip Kelly’s part.

        • A_T_G

          By then the players will no the system, so going undefeated should be pretty routine. Now, convincing the league to increase the schedule to 32 games, that might be tough

      • Greg

        We go 12-12!

  • Dave

    Saw this today on twitter…

    ” “It’s a bad tear,” Vick said. “I’ll need at least another week of rehab before I can even get my confidence back.” That certainly doesn’t sound like Vick will be returning to the lineup Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys or anytime soon for that matter. ”

    As much as I want Foles to be the QB, I don’t want to see Vick hurt. Hammy’s are a pain he the rear to heal when injured. Anyone remember Donte Stallworth’s bad hammy. It plagued him his entire career.

    • iceberg584

      “It plagued him [Stallworth] his entire career.”

      I suspect that Vick’s hamstring has been bothering him for a while too. He’s shown varying degrees of post-scramble gimpiness since the Carolina pre-season game.

  • Greg M

    Don’t want to overpraise Foles, but don’t we want to really take a look at Mike?

    The guy is basically averaging 1 TD through the air per game. How is this good enough?

    This is less about Foles and more about Vick to me. I love Vick as a leader, love his toughness, but I don’t love him as a passer in this offense. It seems like there’s always an excuse when Vick is playing: The line isn’t giving him time, the receivers aren’t getting open.

    The bottom line is this: Foles has scored more points through the air then Vick has in less than half the games (4.5 to 1.5) — it blows my mind that we don’t talk about this alone as being a pretty good reason to make the change.

    Tampa Bay was billed as a team that’s much better than their record indicated prior to this game. Lost 3 games against tough teams by 3 points. Shut down Drew Brees. Foles beats them and has a really nice day throwing the ball and the conversation shifts to well, Tampa is a really bad team.

    Can’t wait for this QB stuff to be over so I don’t have to see all this nonsensical reasoning behind why Vick isn’t doing well but also why Foles didn’t do as well as you think.

    Maybe it’s the fear of Foles being Kolb 2.0

    • eagleyankfan

      I think I know enough about Vick :)

    • BlindChow

      Vick’s completion percentage has been abysmal since KC. One reason that’s been suggested is the man coverage shutting down our receivers. Dallas has been playing a lot of man recently, so it’ll be interesting to see how Foles handles it.

      • theycallmerob

        they may be playing man, but they sure aren’t playing it well. KC showed everyone exactly what they already knew about Kelly, going back to college: man coverage (req. good DBs) + winning the trench battle (req. good DL) = chance to slow down the offense. There are precious few other D’s in the league who can achieve this feat. Dallas, playing with a street DL and safeties on par with ours, does not strike fear in my hearts.

        And I absolutely love the fact that Ertz is seeing an increasing # of snaps every week. His ability to stretch the defense is definitely the best among the TE. I think this has also helped free things up the past two weeks for Cooper, Avant, and McCoy.

      • Greg M

        Maybe I’m not bright, but this is another theory that I can’t quite grasp. Foles saw a lot of zone, Vick saw a lot of man, therfore Vick had it harder?

        Did the Giants dramatically change their coverages in the 2nd half? Vick wasn’t doing anything to write home about against the Giants in the first half as a passer.

        This logic would also suggest that Tampa Bay’s defensive game plan was horrible. If the Eagles offense has been struggling to deal with man coverage and this is primarily due to some reason other than QB play, why on earth would any competent DC do the opposite of what’s been known to work?

        • shah8

          Reading Gary Bussell and Chris Brown’s twitter, it sounds a lot like the Bucs were completely discombobulated. Remember in the KC game, where Vick had that first interception double pumping that pop throw to Celek (all because the KC defense did something slightly different than Vick expected)? And remember how it kind of deflated the offensive playcalling into something a bit more…flaccid? That opening screen to Shady did the same to the Bucs, I think. The Bucs coached *did* understand what the previous coaching staffs tried to do. Chip Kelly already did as well, and made a bit of an adjustment in being aggressively predisposed to using screens whenever he thinks he can catch a blitz coming. First play, and after that period of time when the Bucs were getting home on blitzes and generally doing better on defense. Burning the defensive coaching staff got them to turtle a bit. Apparently, the Bucs staff runs all that zone because they don’t have a lot of confidence in some aspects of their defensive backfield. Trying to spread the aura of Revis Island to the rest of them. So when they tried more man concepts and got burned, they went straight back to zone–which got them sliced and diced.

          Confidence is an absolute killer. On the part of the players and of the coaches. If you don’t have confidence in your safeties, or in your QB (think Musgrave), you call much more conservative than you would otherwise. Foles makes Kelly confident, which makes Foles confident, in a nice virtuous cycle. Ponder makes Frazier unconfident, which makes Ponder unconfident–and it also leads to a general meltdown of previously working part of the team, like the defense.

          So, reading and analyzing the twitter, and the A22 work of the folks at Philadelphia Eagles.com, it seems pretty clear that Schiano’s problems don’t really lie in halftime adjustments, but more in the sense that he’s not really fixing a narrative upon the game. He’s not thinking ahead, particularly in terms of sequentially asking himself how he can help his players succeed. In other words, Sheridan (the DC) is not calling play after play after play in such a way that he prevents an offense from getting too many first downs, and Sheridan isn’t getting great results from agression, and his defense doesn’t buy (or is confused by) the more passive elements. The fact that the Bucs are losing all of these first half leads have more to do with what’s happening in the first and second quarter rather than the third, paradoxically speaking. The players are seeing and thinking about what just happened, and it’s not jelling to any sort of right instincts or feedback (from playing against Eagles offense).

    • Mr. Magee

      Agree, Greg. Seems like everybody wants to hedge their bets when it comes to Foles, and nobody wants to call it like it is because they’re afraid of getting burned.

      To put a positive spin on it, maybe we’re just becoming a little more sophisticated as a fan-base (ha!).

  • jackpotsdad

    Question to the fans who watched the team the last two years (I’m a new fan)…did anyone expect that the Eagle defense was going to be this bad?

    In college, if you have a superior scheme and lots of team discipline, it appears you can bridge the talent gap to some extent. I’m speculating but that’s what I think Chip was hoping to do by bringing in average talent, high motivation types (e.g., Patrick Chunk, Cary Williams, Connor Barwin, etc.) and focus on offense. It seems that the talent gap can’t be bridged as easily in the NFL. There’s too many monsters who can repeatedly defy expectations and ruin your day.

    I really expected the Eagles to be average defensively or slightly below average. So far in six games, the Birds are on pace to be the worst or at best, among the worst, defenses in 2013.

    • TheRogerPodacter

      did anyone expect that the Eagle defense was going to be this bad?

      maybe this is just me, but…
      we expected it to be a work in progress due to the new scheme with a bad secondary due to weakness at S and CB.
      we expected the DL to be a strength and the LBs to at least be solid as Cole/Graham make the transition.

      so far, its somewhat of a mixed bag. the DL seems to be coming around slower than expected, the LBs are really up and down, but seem to be relatively weak in coverage. and the secondary seems OK at times and awful at others.

    • BlindChow

      I think the team was actually worse last year (they played well at the beginning of the year, though, which skews their stats to cover up their later meltdown).

      I’m pretty sure most of us, having seen them play last year, expected it to be painful. They have actually been better the last couple games than I expected. Crucial 4th quarter stops are a new thing in Philly lately.

    • Daniel

      I expected it to be bad, but I didn’t expect it to be bad in this way.

      I expected us to be run over. I expected us to give up big plays due to a bad secondary.

      I did not expect us to be getting zero pressure on the quarterback.

    • Finlay Jones

      I said before the season started I’d be happy if we got to mid 20s in scoring D, and ecstatic if we were 20.

    • ICDogg

      I figured we could be top 25. Which is not much to ask in a 32 team league.

    • Ark87

      throwing in my 2 cents: It depends on when you asked me. My outlook was up an down all season. At first when I found out we were switching to the 3-4 and found out we hired Billie Davis (who has an awful track record) to implement it, I was pretty much doom and gloom. Even then there was hope that we could bring in Dion Jordan and/or some other pieces in the draft. That didn’t really happen, but hey at least we could run a 1-gap 4-3 under this year, that would actually fit our personnel pretty well. That didn’t happen. All that being said, I really didn’t see us being statistically this bad.

      Does anyone else have this experience? The defense looks about right where you expect them to be by eye test, then have the stats blow you out of your seat? Like you knew they were struggling but damn!

      Anywho, I think time is this defense’s greatest ally. New scheme, lots of new players from all over, new coach, it will take time to turn this defense into a program.

      • BlindChow

        Yes, after the last two weeks, I thought, hey, I bet we’re not still last in defense!

        But, no, we are in fact still last.

  • fran35

    Bold prediction:
    If Foles starts the next two weeks and plays poorly, the Start Barkley bus will be rolling.
    In fact, I think it is secretly warming up in the bowels of the Novacare complex. Philly is a great town to play back up QB in until you actually become the starter. LMAO.
    I want Foles to start, but not getting the job through injury. I want any young QB getting the reins and not having to look over their shoulder.

    • OregonDucker

      Barkley admitted recently that his shoulder was bothering him during OTAs and preseason. I hope to see him in a game situation to see if his arm strength and accuracy have improved.

      Don’t get me wrong, GEagle has won me over to the Folesy bandwagon. But I saw Barkley in Duck games and the guy always scared me – he can win.

    • Nah__Roots

      Speaking of that shoulder…

  • BBrophy723

    Watching the Washington/Dallas game, I’m still amazed at how Tony Romo can make incredible throws (TD in the corner) on the run. He has an insane knack for making plays when it looks like he’s in trouble. With the inability of the defense to get to the QB, I’ve got real concerns about Sunday. But it won’t be Chip Kellys offense that holds them back. Dallas’ D is banged up, we’re going to score points. The national media likes neat and easy story lines. Chip Kelly = Steve Spurrier is easy, no original thinking.

    • fran35

      I saw that play as well. Amazing. But with Romo, it’s feast or famine. When he starts ad libbing like that, they are either horrible turnovers or amazing plays. Here’s hoping he is turnover mode on Saturday. Although with our lack of a pass rush, he may not have to ad lib much

  • Mike Flick

    Tommy,

    Cautiously optimistic on Foles? You want to get reaction, you don’t go cautious. Pick a side:

    Vick is a stud and the best QB since Randall. Foles is Bobby Hoying II.

    or

    Foles has a better QB rating than Tom Brady and a better playoff record than Peyton. Vick is a has been, and can’t hit the broad side of a barn.

    That way you only piss off half the fan base.

    • Mike Flick

      It is what cowherd did. Chip is Steve Spurrier.

      Did you see the Espn article earlier in the week about Chip learning that it takes defense too to win this league? Holy smokes it was stupid.

      • Nah__Roots

        I can barely keep ESPN on the television longer than 10 minutes. Who the hell is even bothering to read something of theirs? That’s just crazy.

    • Cafone

      Since Randall? Vick is a better quarterback than Randall Cunningham was. I guess their passing stats are pretty similar, but Vick is a far better runner.

  • Vik

    The article by Jeffri Chadiha on ESPN made me crazy. He talked about how Chip is a failure and how all of Philly hates him. Hate when ‘national writers’ just write stuff without knowing. If you ask me, Chip has been wonderful so far. The offense has clicked with two different QBs at the helm, our RB leads the league in rushing and our WR leads the league in receiving yards by a WR. Give him a couple of years to draft his players and if he fails, we can call him another failed college experiment then. Its been 6 weeks and people are ready to pounce on him.

  • Iskar36

    To me, Kelly has done a great job so far as head coach. Anyone who has negative opinions about him at this point either had a bias against him coming in or bought way to much into the hype of him “revolutionizing” the game, therefore built up way to high expectations for a coach in his first 6 games. At the end of the day, in his first year, he has already put up some historic numbers on offense.

    Having said all that, while he has put up great offensive numbers, I think it needs to be noted that he isn’t the Offensive Coordinator. He is the Head Coach. His fate as a good or bad coach will be determined by whether or not he can 1) continue his success (and hopefully develop it further) on offense, and 2) improve the defense and STs to a point that they allow the team to be consistent contenders. Right now, he is still putting in his schemes and finding his players for defense, so you can’t make any real judgements about CK’s defense just yet, but throwing out all the offensive numbers and ignoring the defense is not entirely fair either. CK’s job will be to either develop the defense along with his DC, or find a DC he can give relative autonomy to (whether or not that is Billy Davis) and make sure his DC builds and develops a defense that fits under what Chip Kelly wants for the team overall.

  • P_P_K

    “Jim Harbaugh got the Niners to win right away, but inherited a team that was already built the way he wanted it.”

    There’s another guy in a similar situation, Andy Reid. I am royally pissed that the guy left us with a skeleton crew of a defense and fell into a pot of gold in KC.

    • RIPJJ

      Reid has gone back to his roots and has done a great job of coaching KC – hearkens back to the time when he was new in Philly – his team plays small ball, dink and dunk passing attack, good running game (and actually utilizing the running game) and hiring a good Def coordinator with the D playing solid Defense…Reid in those days always preached taking care of the football and played the field position game – similarly to what he is doing right now in KC…

      His issues started with TO coming to town and falling in love with the deep ball and add to that hiring Marty as the OC…..I truly believe that DMac would have had a longer and more fruitful career if Reid had used the running game more or had a OC who actually believed in using the RB’s…

      • P_P_K

        I’m happy for Shady that Reid is gone. No way he gets the carries that Chip calls.

        • Cafone

          right on the money!

    • Mac

      Andy knows how to eat a weaker team’s lunch. He not only inherited a talented team, but he has pulled together a pretty nice coaching staff and has a soft schedule this year. What happens when he has to trot Alex Smith out as his QB in a playoff game?

      I don’t want to come off as Anti-Andy because I think he is a great coach. I do think he needed a change of scenery and the opportunity to part with Marty to get better… but unless he can get a real franchise QB down in KC I don’t see them doing much more than a team that plays well during the regular season. Having said that, with the pain they have experienced in KC, I think the fans will be ecstatic.

      Also, what’s up with players on Andy Reid teams letting everyone know just how talented their roster is? When I heard that KC players weren’t celebrating anything early in the season because they knew they talented (even last year when losing tons of games) I almost threw up in my mouth.

      • BlindChow

        Alex Smith did well in the playoffs in 2011.

  • bentheimmigrant

    Forget all the bickering… I’d like to know who Dallas fans are hoping to face on Sunday.

    • Baloophi

      Jesus?

      • jshort

        Not sure he has an NFL arm, might have a knack of mysteriously getting in the end zone though!!!

        • Ark87

          If he can turn field goals into touchdowns, I’m in.

          • jshort

            Wonder what he could do with the gatorade jug

        • A_T_G

          I hear he can lead a comeback after everyone has assumed the team was dead.

          • jshort

            too bad he wasn’t on team when mayberry played

      • eagleyankfan

        lmao!!!

    • Ark87

      depends on whatever media source they subscribe to is telling them. Doubt many of them have accurately scouted either qb, they just know reputations and second hand accounts.

      I’d imagine they are feeling pretty good. They are coming off 2 nice performances, and either way you slice it, we still don’t have a settled franchise QB, and our strength of victory is 1-14.

  • Brad Tessler

    Tommy,

    On the 2nd TD to Jackson this week, the QB was under center. Same with the TD to Jackson in the opener and the TD to Celek last week.

    Why does this happen oh wise one?

    Thanks

    • TheRogerPodacter

      follow up question: can you explain the victory formation with the QB in shotgun? is this purely to combat the Schiano DL dirty tricks? or was it just because we do *so much* shotgun these days that suddenly going under center is dangerous for a victory formation?

      • HipDaDip

        Chip said cause of dirty tricks in PC

      • James20

        I know the way Schiano attacks kneel downs has been talked about in many different forums, but I have to say that I just can’t call it dirty. Everytime he’s done it in the NFL, the Bucs were within one posession of tying or winning the game. I just can’t fault a team for trying to win until the last second if it’s still possible no matter how unlikely it is.

        • TheRogerPodacter

          yea i agree, i just didn’t know how else to explain it! i was worried no one would know what i’m talking about. happens quite often. lol

        • mksp

          Its dangerous. Its dirty. Its false machismo. Its all the worst parts of Schiano’s personality expressed as a single, stupid, play.

          • James20

            Well, as long as you’re playing within the rules and not playing with the intent to harm, I don’t think it’s dirty. But to each his own.

  • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

    Could be any number of bad reasons for Cowherd’s comments:
    1) Knocking people gets better ratings than praising them.
    2) Easy to link Kelly to Steve Spurrier.
    3) Doesn’t like Oregon.
    4) Doesn’t like Philly
    5) Doesn’t think AR should have been let go.
    6) Makes lazy comparison to AR (he’s 6-0, how come Kelly isn’t?)

    I’ve heard Cowherd before, but I can’t remember a single notable thing he said.
    He’s “just another guy” when it comes to sports talk – I’d treat him as such.

    • Mac

      He ranks slightly higher than Jason La Canfora.

    • jackpotsdad

      Cowherd is a putz. He used to be the local sports anchor guy for Portland’s KGW. Always struck me as the guy who wanted to always play the devil’s advocate just to be contrary because it’s easier to incite people with that point of view. Screw objective journalism.

      • Michael Winter Cho

        I noticed he likes to align himself with the favorite as opposed to the underdog, the rich as opposed to the poor, the successful as opposed to those who haven’t made it. This is a fairly contrarian view in that most people at least pretend to take the opposite tact. I have to admit it annoys the heck out of me.

    • xeynon

      Cowherd is insufferable. Anybody can be ill-informed and illogical. It takes a truly gifted blowhard to be ill-informed and illogical with the kind of authority he does.

  • ojdiddoit

    Kelly is producing numbers with players Andy Reid had quit on him..enough said

  • Baloophi

    OFF TOPIC DGR REQUEST

    Tommy,

    Since many of us were intrigued by Lavonte David in the 2012 draft, I’m curious what you thought of his play on Sunday. Seemed like he was all over the place… in a good, non Ernie Sims-ian way.

    Fran Duffy’s written piece from the mothership highlights our very first play (the 44 yard McCoy screen) and David is directing Revis pre-snap… seems like a natural leader.

    http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagle-Eye-In-The-Sky-Set-DeSean-Free/32dce850-d062-4d6d-8a4d-1efb7c9029ee

    (Please note, this request isn’t born from a “why didn’t we draft himz???” motive.)

    • A_T_G

      Yeh, but whyz didn’t we draft himz???

      • SteveH

        I wish Mychal Kendricks would just put it all together and play like he should be able to so we can forget that Lavonte David exists.

  • Iskar36

    Two interesting tweets by Howard Eskin:

    Howard Eskin
    ‏@howardeskin

    @mikevick hamstring injury not coming along well. Hearing he is unlikely to b ready 4 Sunday.

    Howard Eskin
    ‏@howardeskin

    Nick Foles preparing as the #eagles starter for Sunday but I will make this clear when @mikevick is healthy I’m told he’s the starting QB.

  • ICDogg

    FO now has the Eagles at 59% to make the playoffs and 1.3% to win the Super Bowl. Going the other direction we have an 0.2% shot to get a top 3 pick.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/playoffodds

  • jshort

    Something to ponder whilst we wait for another topic. Dallas sucks on the road. We suck at home. What gives? Who gives?

    • jshort

      you must have been reading British Eagles.

      • jshort

        how could you tell

        • ICDogg

          People who read British Eagles like to talk to themselves

          • jshort

            lol

  • iceberg584

    Say what you will about Vick, but he is definitely playing the good soldier right now. He knows better than anyone that his starting job might be slipping away, especially if Foles torches the Dallas secondary on Sunday. A selfish player would be claiming they are healthy, saying anything to force the coaches to get them back on the field – but Vick knows the situation, and realizes (or at least is going along with) the fact that the team’s, best chance to succeed on Sunday is to do so under ideal circumstances. What that means is that there’s a lot less pressure for Nick to play if Vick is still “too injured to start” as opposed to “let’s play Nick because he was so good last week and we need a larger sample size against better competition.” It also makes a much cleaner transition back to Vick if Foles is a dud on Sunday.

    • ICDogg

      Yep, some of us were talking about this this morning. Vick impresses me as a guy who puts the team ahead at this stage of his career. He’s not letting his ego get in the way.

      • P_P_K

        Makes me think that the hard times he went through have changed him deeply.

    • jshort

      I love watching both of them play. When Vick is running and making great pass plays down field it’s exciting. When Foles is on and everyone around him are producing that’s exciting too..
      It just comes down how each one learned to survive. Vick by his legs and big arm. Foles had to make reads and dump the ball off, the way I see it. So Vick with a bad wheel just isn’t going to cut it until he is 100%. Not many guys get to be where each one of them are. Than again I don’t know nuttin.

    • xeynon

      No question. I’m still not the biggest fan of Vick the quarterback but Vick the person has won me over. Like a lot of people I was very put off when the Eagles signed him but I’ve never seen a smidgeon of evidence that his assertion that going to prison made him a better a person is anything other than the truth.

    • Mr. Magee

      Iceberg, xenyon, icdogg: Very well said… Couldn’t agree more.

  • BobSmith77

    Cowherd’s entire schtick is that he takes the contrary or outlandish opinion on a topic. Discount pretty much anything he says on his own show including whether he actually believes it.

    Fans will vacillate all year on Kelly but to me this was a rebuilding year. I didn’t expect more than 6-7 wins and I would bet most Eagles’ fans fall into the group too (6-8 wins before the year). I really wasn’t going to judge Kelly until the end of next season when I did expect this team to be competitive enough to win 9 or 10 games and possibly make the playoffs.