PHI 36 , NYG 21

Posted: October 6th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 191 Comments »

We suck less! We suck less! We suck less!!!

Nice win today. Eagles improve to 2-3. The defense was only awful for part of the game. The defense actually made some plays and showed some confidence.

Obviously the huge story was Nick Foles taking over for Mike Vick after Vick’s 1st half injury. Both guys played well, but in different ways. Vick ran the ball really well today. Foles threw the ball well, finishing with a rating of 114.9.

It was great to see DeSean Jackson having a big day, going 7-132. He also had a Red Zone TD. LeSean McCoy started well, going 13-50. He finished 7 for -4. The Giants did an excellent job against the run in the 2nd half. There were stretches when the Eagles interior trio struggled to contain them.

I wrote last night about Chip Kelly’s vision for the defense. Takeaways are far more important than yards allowed. The Eagles had 4 takeaways today, 3 INTs and a fumble recovery. Kelly’s focus is getting the ball back to his offense. The Eagles got those takeaways and turned them into points.

Chip Kelly said that we’ll have to wait and see what the deal with Vick is. He had a hamstring injury. Might be fine by the middle of the week. Or he could miss some time. We’ll wait til Tuesday to really get into that angle.

This win is important because it breaks a 3-game losing streak, but we can’t make too much of it. The Giants are now 0-5. They were hurt coming into the game and got banged up in the game. Beating them doesn’t prove much. It was important to see the Eagles show they were the better team today. The Eagles have lost those kinds of games in recent years.

If there some good news for the defense, it is that the young guys played pretty well. Mychal Kendricks had an INT and FR. Brandon Boykin did a good job on Salsa Cruz and had an INT. Ced Thornton was robbed of a safety. Earl Wolff played pretty well. Fletcher Cox did some good things. Bennie Logan got his first sack, which was created by Vinny Curry. Vinny was disruptive.

The defense still has a long way to go, but at least they showed some signs of life.

The Eagles have now scored 30 points in 3 of 5 games. They only did it once last year.

What’s better…that the Eagles are 2-3 or the Giants are 0-5?


191 Comments on “PHI 36 , NYG 21”

  1. 1 SteveH said at 5:04 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Giants 0-5 is kind of savory.

  2. 2 SteveH said at 5:07 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    This Broncos-Cowboys game… it feels like the Cowboys have to score every possession to have a chance.

  3. 3 the guy said at 5:08 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’m happy they got the win and the Giants lost, but that was a pretty ugly game for the most part.

  4. 4 SteveH said at 5:10 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s nice to have a benchmark though, at least we know we’re not can’t beat a winless team bad. That would be very disappointing.

  5. 5 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 5:15 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Celek stepped out of his comfort zone high pointing that foles pass for a red zone TD.

    AND Desean scoring on a fade in the red zone??

    You never see any of those things with Vick.

  6. 6 SteveH said at 5:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s pretty clear today, the run game was more efficient with Vick in, the pass game was more efficient with Foles in. Not sure what it all means, but that’s what happened.

  7. 7 Joe Minx said at 5:21 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Time to go all Northwestern under center.

  8. 8 shah8 said at 5:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The pass game isn’t really more efficient in terms of Y/A terms. Obviously the TDs.

  9. 9 Jerry Goldstein said at 5:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’ll take TDs in this passing league.

  10. 10 Anders said at 5:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    yards is nothing if you cant turn them into points. The RZ offense has been flat out bad with Vick so far

  11. 11 ztom6 said at 6:00 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    higher completion percentage = move the chains more often, more long drives, less wasted opps in the red zone.

  12. 12 A_T_G said at 6:01 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I don’t know that the TDs should really be dismissed so easily. Some even view them as one of the most important statistics.

  13. 13 xeynon said at 6:11 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Y/A isn’t the only metric that matters, though. Comp. %, 3rd down conversion %, and red zone conversion rate are also critical, and these are all areas where Vick has struggled. There’s no question his scrambling and ability to throw the deep ball create more 60 yard passing plays, but when it’s 3rd and 5 (or 3rd and goal from the 5), you don’t need 60 yards, you only need 6. In those situations having a QB who only hits on 5% of his deep balls but converts short passes at a 70% rate will lead to better average results than having a QB who hits on 20% of deep balls but only 50% of short throws. Neither is ideal but I’d rather have the guy who produces small chunks of yardage consistently than the guy who produces big ones sporadically (at least in terms of the passing game – Vick’s value as a running threat is high enough that I think he’s still marginally the better option as the starting QB for this team).

  14. 14 shah8 said at 6:22 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The only reason the Giants had a chance in the game, was Foles’ bad third quarter. This was a win with Vick for sure, but with Foles, it does seem like the defense bailed him out. It’s not to take away from the success of Foles, but the reality is that the tape, from my memory, is not going to be good on Foles. Given what I’ve seen, I can’t help but think that Kelly will be wanting Vick rather than Foles against the Bucs, given the nature of the Bucs defense and how they played.

  15. 15 GEagle said at 6:32 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You obviously forget that Tampa is still having nightmares of the Buc slayer aka Nick FOles who destroyed their playoff hopes and looked so good that the Bucs wanted to trade for him. trololololo

  16. 16 Tom33 said at 6:35 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Wow. Seriously? We can watch the tape, but my recollection in the 3rd quarter was that the running game went away and the playcalling took a while to adjust. I get the whole thing where you can’t praise one guy because you are attacking the other guy by default, but c’mon!

    Both QB’s were effective today – Vick primarily through the ground game and Foles through the air. Vick’s offense put up 16 points and Foles’ 20. The team won.

  17. 17 xeynon said at 6:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    That’s a massive stretch. Vick put up 16 points in a little less than a half, mostly by running the ball. Foles put up 20 in a little more than a half, mostly by throwing it. Both quarterbacks benefited from turnovers, and Vick benefited from Trumaine McBride letting an easy pick go right through his hands and become a 56 yard completion. Foles wasn’t responsible for the short fields he got late in the game. He also wasn’t responsible for the defensive breakdowns that turned a 19-7 lead into a 21-19 deficit. He did turn the turnovers into points and lead the comeback. Both quarterbacks were effective, though in completely different facets of the game.

  18. 18 shah8 said at 6:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I don’t think that was an “easy” pick, but hey, YMMV for your anti-Vick sensibilities.

    I don’t think asserting that the game was over with Vick was a massive stretch, either. He was moving the ball, and sooner or later would be hitting more passes on top of it. Worst pass attempt of the day was the bad throw to Avant in the end zone, and by and large, I’m happy with Vick’s passing day.

    Lastly, again, Foles was the one that allowed the lead to erode to a deficit. More than that, both of the TDs were also great plays by the receivers as well. And looking forward, I can very easily see the Tampa Bay Bucs absolutely stifle a Foles-led offense. There’s not the silly putty pass defense there was last year, so I’m really hoping for a swift recovery for Vick.

  19. 19 SteveH said at 6:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I suppose you’re the level headed and rational observer of quarterbacks, unlike these prejudiced Vick haters.

  20. 20 shah8 said at 7:11 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Well, prejudiced Vick haters take *every* opportunity to criticize Vick, even when it’s really, really, unfair. Projecting some “both sides do it” doesn’t actually change the dynamic of this conversation. Literally, the only time when Vick gets even a smidgen of a pass is on outstanding days. If it was Mike Kafka back there, they’d be asking to “see his upside”. So, you can color me fairly pissed whenever I think about how every game is going to have these jokers trolling everyone else who don’t think the same as they do. Every game, every play, even the demeanor on the sidelines is fair game for Vick haters, flinging any knot of poo they see, just on the chance one sticks in the minds of everyone else.

  21. 21 shah8 said at 7:14 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The main reason on offense that we’re losing has less than nothing to do with Vick, and everything to do with the sheer, and total lack of size and athletic talent in our receiving corps. Dez Bryant is a revelation after seeing the Eagles.

  22. 22 Jerry Goldstein said at 7:17 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Whining Vickslobber, please go root for whatever team he is with next year.

  23. 23 shah8 said at 7:20 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Which may very well be the Eagles. Then what will you do?

  24. 24 xeynon said at 7:14 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You keep asserting that I’m “anti-Vick”. That’s not the case, except insofar as I think he’s a flawed player who while he has his strengths on the whole isn’t good enough to be the starting quarterback on a contending team. I don’t think that’s a controversial opinion or one you’d find fans around the NFL too inclined to disagree with.

    If anyone’s got a bias here, it’s you. When Vick plays well, it’s proof of what you’ve thought all along. When he doesn’t play well, it’s still proof of what you’ve thought all along, because either he actually did play well but was let down by his receivers/O line/coaches, or he would have started to play well had he remained in the game, or he played better than Foles did in some alternate reality version of the game you imagined in your head, or whatever. Pardon me if I don’t find your assertion that I’m incapable of evaluating Vick’s play impartially credible.

  25. 25 shah8 said at 7:20 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    you…are…Anti-Vick. You don’t actually talk very much about anything *but* how Vick is bad, and I *do* actually notice this. Saying that you’re fair minded has no bearing on whether you *are* fair minded. And, well, your assertions about “starting quarterback on a contending team” is actually a controversial one, and people really would vigorously disagree with you.

    As for your silly attempt to turn the focus on me, whatever, man. Stupid is as stupid does. If you actually cared to make any sort of actual logical conversation that we could have, there could be an exchange. You do notice I’ll go back and forth with someone who’d be in realitylandia, don’t you?

    You’re just a very silly troll.

  26. 26 xeynon said at 7:42 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Just because you only read those posts of mine which criticize Vick, and ignore those which either praise him or don’t relate to him at all, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    As for living in reality, the reality is that Vick is a middling NFL quarterback, and headed downward. Nobody respectable thinks he’s a top 5 quarterback, or even top 10. He may not even be top 15. The stats reflect this. The fact that he has no trade value reflects this. The fact that he is on a one year, incentive-laden contract and the team appears to be in no hurry to extend him reflects this. Reality is that franchise quarterbacks do not rank behind the likes of Christian Ponder and Josh Freeman in passer rating, as Vick did last year. Reality is that franchise quarterbacks do not turn the ball over at a rate of more than once per game as Vick has over the past two seasons. Reality is that franchise quarterbacks do not fail to turn yardage into points the way Vick consistently does. That someone points out facts which contradict your delusional beliefs about your favorite player does not make them a troll, it makes the engaged with reality.

  27. 27 shah8 said at 7:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You don’t make very many post not about Vick. If you did, I’d take you seriously.

    And the second para has nothing to do with reality. Just because you say it’s reality doesn’t make it so. You simply can’t make the QB at the head of a prolific offense bad (no. 10 in rank as far as QB rating coming into today’s game), you know. And I do believe the rest of that mess, I don’t have to respond to.

  28. 28 xeynon said at 8:02 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Whatever. I refuse to argue with you any more, for the same reason I refuse to argue with the crazy homeless man who lives on the beach near me and rants about the CIA using microwaves to control his dreams. Talking to someone who’s coming from a place that’s fundamentally untethered from reality is a useless exercise.

  29. 29 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 8:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’d like to see that fade to DeSean with Revis playing…or even that catch by Celek. Tampa Bay’s offense is bad, but don’t sleep on that defense.

    And with Foles in, Shady is shut down. Here’s hoping Vick is in next week.

  30. 30 Jerry Goldstein said at 7:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    As if everybody didn’t already know that you’re a Vick fan first, you just proved it with this post.

  31. 31 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 8:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Someone with some sense.

    Foles was shut down in the third. Defense came up big in the 4th, gives him a short field and he makes plays. I’m happy…but anyone who thinks Foles is gonna win us games with his arm without a run game…please.

  32. 32 Andy124 said at 9:09 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Vick had zero completions and zero yards the entire first quarter, but it’s Foles’s 3rd quarter that was bad.Foles came in with less than 2 minutes to play and had more completions in the first half than Vick had in the game, but the film is going to look bad on Foles.

    Vick’s completed 43%, 52% and 43% of his passes in his last 3 games, but it’s Foles that has no chance.

    You are beyond hopeless dude.

  33. 33 xeynon said at 11:56 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You don’t understand man. The offensive line wasn’t blocking properly for Vick in the first quarter and the receivers weren’t getting open. After Foles came in both units magically started to play better, likely because they realized they no longer had Superman playing quarterback and realized they had to pick up their games if they were to have any chance of competing with such a terrible QB taking the snaps.

    /shah8 impression

  34. 34 mksp said at 6:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Take out Vick’s *really* lucky 56yd pass to Jax that should have been picked and I bet the stats look a little different…..

  35. 35 Enslaved Meth Cook said at 8:13 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Foles can see over the Dl line better, has a better touch, better anticipation and timing. but when vick gets going its hard to stop, to me it comes down to who is more consistent.

    Thats foles.

  36. 36 Corry said at 5:17 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s great to get a win. The week is always better following an Eagles win, but I dread the back and forth that will go on in comments sections regarding Vick vs. Foles.

    Also, LOLGIANTS!

  37. 37 SteveH said at 5:18 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah man, the Vick vs. Foles debate is about to switch into overdrive.

  38. 38 jshort said at 5:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    personally, don’t think it should even be an issue…. most likely will though

  39. 39 shah8 said at 5:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Foles, again, doesn’t have a chance.

  40. 40 Jerry Goldstein said at 5:42 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Why? Because the 1-3 Vick made such a great case for himself so far?

  41. 41 shah8 said at 6:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    hmmm? I do believe the victory goes into Vick’s column, so that’s 2-4 to you, sir.

    As for the rest, like all the other single minded Vick haters, we’re all getting that deluge of Foles is better.

    No, Foles is not better. No, Foles does not have that upside, so we don’t need to “see what we have” with him. As it stands, it’s really pretty likely that Vick will resign here, absent a real prospect at QB available in the draft.

  42. 42 xeynon said at 6:17 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I agree that Foles’ upside is likely limited, and that Vick could hang on as the starter this year. But I think there’s almost no chance he’s re-signed at the end of the year. He’d have to have a career best year at age 33 and we’ve seen no indication so far that he’s capable of doing that. Kelly wants to win the Super Bowl and I think he realizes he’s never going to do that with Vick.

  43. 43 A Big Butt and a Smile said at 6:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    If they get to the playoffs they may keep him. Other than that..he’s gone.

  44. 44 shah8 said at 6:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Because he got a really nice contract.

  45. 45 Jerry Goldstein said at 7:18 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Looking forward to never hearing from you again after Vick is gone.

  46. 46 Weapon Y said at 6:35 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You’re probably right, but it really shouldn’t be an issue. Vick’s our guy in the short-term. He’s clearly ahead of Foles for now. Foles looks pretty good so far, though. I’m confident handing him the keys one day down the road. I’m just not going to do that if Vick is still a better option. I’d rather wait and let Foles develop before going all in with him.

  47. 47 GvilleEagleFan said at 10:53 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    In my mind, the best outcome for Vick’s injury is for him to be out 2-4 weeks and have Foles either play out of his mind good or suck really terribly. I just want a definitive answer on whether or not we need to go get a QB. If Mariota comes out and Foles doesn’t play like a superstar, I’d hate to be the guy trying to tell Kelly that we shouldn’t go get his guy.

  48. 48 Corry said at 5:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Also, the Special Teams didn’t crap the bed, so we also had that going for us as well.

  49. 49 Tom33 said at 5:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Giants are bad, but Birds could have folded when they went down 21 – 19.

    Good win. Good to see Henery make all his chances too.

  50. 50 GvilleEagleFan said at 10:55 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    This was the biggest part of the win for me. Seeing us go down 21-19 was giving me flashbacks to the last two years when we started going into a nosedive and couldn’t pull it out. Great to see the guys hang in there and come back

  51. 51 Daniel Norman Richwine said at 5:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Hindsight is 20-20, but the eagles were underdogs in this game, lost their starting QB, and won going away.

    the eagles’ 3 losses look better every week.

    The Eagles have scored 30+ in 60% of their games, despite often not looking 100% comfortable, especially in the red zone.

    Last year we went 3-1, then 1-11. This year, 1-3…

  52. 52 Anders said at 5:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Wish we could run that shovel pass to a TE with Ertz or Casey that the Broncos ran in the RZ

  53. 53 SteveH said at 5:26 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The Manning express rolls on in Dallas.

  54. 54 Corry said at 5:32 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s really unfair how well he’s playing this year.

  55. 55 SteveH said at 5:34 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Manning 19 touchdowns no interceptions on the season. Just obscene.

  56. 56 jshort said at 5:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    At least you want him to do it this week….and enjoy it

  57. 57 Jerry Goldstein said at 5:42 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I think Manning’s neck surgery included cybernetic implants.

  58. 58 SteveH said at 5:52 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    *echoing down the Broncos tunnel pregame*

    brrrrpppttt … Manning-bot, activated. Operation mode: Annihilate.

  59. 59 xeynon said at 6:21 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Manning bros. prop bet: Peyton passing TDs this season +10 over Eli INTs. Who ya’ got?

  60. 60 SteveH said at 6:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The over, not because Eli won’t throw a million picks, but because Peyton might throw 60 touchdowns this year.

  61. 61 Corry said at 6:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    By November at this rate.

  62. 62 Michael Winter Cho said at 6:53 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Hopefully this will put to rest the idiotic notion that Eli is in any way better than Peyton “because he haz more ringz.”

  63. 63 mksp said at 5:28 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Its such a frustrating situation because Foles and Vick are near opposites in their strengths.

    Vick can make plays – runs *and* throws that Foles simply can’t.

    But so can Foles. There is no way that Vick can make that touch pass to Jackson for the TD. Or that throw to Jackson on the sideline at the end of the first half. He just can’t make the anticipatory throws the way Foles can.

    What Vick can do is rifle the ball to an open receiver with ungodly velocity. And run the ball.

    So what do you do if you’re Chip? I have no clue.

    But Vick was playing really poorly in this game. Missing throws and not taking shots throwing to “covered” receivers. Still, he made some plays.

    What a mess.

  64. 64 xeynon said at 6:23 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    So what do you do if you’re Chip?

    Install a Frankenstein’s laboratory-type facility in the basement of the Novacare Complex in which Vick’s throwing arm and legs can be grafted onto Foles’ body?

  65. 65 Corry said at 6:25 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I think he’s already got a laboratory trying to figure out how to make one good safety out of all the turds we have on the roster.

  66. 66 GEagle said at 6:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    If we had a laboratory already, Rejus and Maclin would be flying all over the field and Riley would be in a wheel chair as a double amputee..a sort of reparations to the black players lol…. Was that joke Too soon?

  67. 67 OregonDucker said at 5:28 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    This game drove me to drink. I am now celebrating but I could just as easily be crying in my beer. Boy, I’m a flaky fan!

  68. 68 Tom33 said at 5:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Welcome to the world of an Eagles fan. Even 15 point wins are hard

  69. 69 SteveH said at 5:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Eagles Giants are good for that.

  70. 70 Anders said at 5:35 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Now you know why Eagles fans are like they are

  71. 71 ACViking said at 5:30 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Re: Clinical Eval of the Kelly Offense this Week?

    Eagles win. Eagles should win next week. And the week after. Even with this inconsistent defense.

    So I look forward — during the mid-week down-period — to reading how T-Law (and others willing to take the risk) give a clinical break-down of the collapse of the Eagles’ running game after Vick’s injury.

    McCoy rarely reached the LOS after Vick went out.

    Perhaps the drop in run-production raises interesting — solvable? — questions about the dependency of the Kelly offense on a QB who can run at least like a practice-squad running back.

    I get that the Giants stacked the line. But hasn’t every other team this season?

    Today we saw something we’d not seen all season when Vick was playing.

    The answer I’m interested in is not about what next year’s draft holds.

    I’m only very curious to get a clinical analysis into the fundamentals of Kelly’s offense — and what it will take to be a winning scheme.

    That is, against good teams.

    After all, “who the hell are the [Giants]?}

    How exactly do the Eagles acquire one of these precious gems?

  72. 72 OregonDucker said at 5:34 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Elijah Craig Whisky is the only way to get through an Eagles game!

  73. 73 ACViking said at 5:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’m a J. T. S. Brown Kentucky bourbon whiskey drinker.

    Saw “The Hustler,” and that was that.

  74. 74 OregonDucker said at 5:38 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    That’s a good whisky. Craig does not give me hangovers for some reason, just feel like sh*t the next day.

  75. 75 ACViking said at 5:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Must try EC for the salutary ex-post effect

  76. 76 mksp said at 5:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    McCoy wasn’t exactly gashing the Giants with Vick in there. But yeah, run game did look worse.

  77. 77 Anders said at 5:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The interior of the Giants are the only thing working. Mike P is still a fantastic 1 tech DT.

  78. 78 ACViking said at 5:37 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Maybe. But McCoy couldn’t run wide or inside post-Vick.

  79. 79 Anders said at 5:39 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    17 for 50 yards with Vick with 17 of them of them on 1 run with Vick. Run game outside of Vick was problem all game.

  80. 80 OregonDucker said at 5:39 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah, I thought it was Peterson as the stuffer.

  81. 81 ACViking said at 5:44 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Further to my own comment . . .

    The Eagles’ offense was jump-started after Vick began keeping the ball.

    The plays were reminiscent of those run by 1962 Heisman Trophy Winning Oregon State QB Terry Baker — also a left-hander (and a great guard on the Beavers’ B-ball team).

    Watch Baker on this clip, which includes a 99-yard run against Villanova in the ’62 Liberty Bowl.

    Vick’s running threat made a huge difference (RZ issues to the side for now).

    That is what’s made me curious.

  82. 82 xeynon said at 6:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Ugh… watching Ryan Leaf in that video is painful.

  83. 83 Jerry Pomroy said at 5:40 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’ll take the Eagles winning & showing something over taking pleasure in beating the Giants. I’m looking more for what this team can become rather than who they beat. With that said, yeah Vick ran the ball well. But we know he can do that. I’m hoping more to see improvement in his game. If Vick had one ounce of Foles anticipation, he would be lethal. I guess it really doesn’t matter because he won’t be here next year & I’m not saying that to be hating. Just merely seeing it for what it is & not over dwelling on it.

  84. 84 SandShock said at 5:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Tommy I think it would be interesting to take a look at Kendricks on tape in these games, i’m not sure how many FR’s he’s had but I get the feeling he must be up there among league leaders. Not exactly impressed with the guy but he’s around the football a lot and good stuff is happening

  85. 85 TommyLawlor said at 7:44 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Leads the NFL with 3.

  86. 86 BC1968 said at 5:53 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    28-17 Broncos. Can you taste first place? 2-3 first place?

  87. 87 BC1968 said at 5:56 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Actually If dallas loses today then we’re in the same position as Andy Reid is, just in a different way. LOL

  88. 88 Gary said at 5:59 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Ha, and I’d rather be tied for 1st with Dallas than with Denver!

  89. 89 BC1968 said at 5:59 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yep, good point! lol

  90. 90 Eric Carranza said at 7:03 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Actually we’d be 1st with being 2-0 in the division as tie breaker

  91. 91 SteveH said at 5:59 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Broncos dropped 28 on the ‘Boys D in the first half, more than they dropped on us.

  92. 92 Anders said at 6:01 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    yea Watching Denver drop 30 points in halfs against anybody is the reason why I didnt care about what Davis or the defense did against them.

    Yes they will lose some games, but that O is insane.

  93. 93 SteveH said at 6:06 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah man I’m actually on your side, I could care less what the Denver Mannings did to Davis’ defense, because he’s shredding and embarrassing every defense he faces.

  94. 94 Anders said at 6:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    yea. I mean Monte Kiffin > Davis (tho Kiffin havnt been super DC for a few years now). The Cowboys also have better pass rusher, better LBs, better CBs. Yet their D is about as bad us ours

  95. 95 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The green dot on the helmet is the guy who is micd up for the calls right?

  96. 96 Anders said at 6:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:


  97. 97 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:15 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Did you notice Paysinger had the green dot for the Giants? Ex-Oregon

  98. 98 Anders said at 6:20 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I like Paysinger for the Giants

  99. 99 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:26 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Just thought maybe Coughlin micd him up to see if he could call out any plays he recognized on the field facing Chips O

  100. 100 Buge Halls said at 6:34 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    he’s actually NOT “micd up” – the green dot means he has the speaker in his helmet that lets the coach talk TO him – it’s not two-way communication

  101. 101 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:48 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Thanks for clearing that up Huge Balls lol

  102. 102 Donald Kalinowski said at 6:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    How the hell did that QB and that coach win 2 Super Bowls together?

  103. 103 SteveH said at 6:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I love how Manning calls just enough running plays to keep the other team off balance.

  104. 104 BC1968 said at 6:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    At least we know we don’t have to face Peyton in the Super Bowl because he’ll choke in the playoffs. We will be in the Super Bowl right? I’m not overreacting am I? Of course not.

  105. 105 SteveH said at 6:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    After today? Dynasty.

  106. 106 BC1968 said at 6:20 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Thank you sir, someone who is level headed like me.

  107. 107 Corry said at 6:21 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s not a question of if we’re going to win the Super Bowl…it’s how many.

  108. 108 BC1968 said at 6:21 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yep, there’s that dynasty talk again. Completely in play today. Well said.

  109. 109 GEagle said at 6:26 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    We have lost 15 of the last 21 games….It’s crucial that our young guys come together and learn how to claw and scratch winning ugly battles..
    we lost all momentum and were down on the road in the 3rd and young guys stepped and won this desperation game. Eli tries to make plays under pressure instead of taking sacks…so instead of getting sacks, we created turnovers…I’ll take that!!
    FOles comes in cold, minimum reps in practice, with the possibility of falling to 1-4, and he stepped up, made things happen while taking care of the ball making Djax look like Welker, making NY pay for TOs, and being as efficient in better redzone as we have seen in years..
    we didn’t beat a good team, But this game was huge..such an important win, the type that your have a hance to build on…Tampa up next and Nick “the Tampa slayer FOles” might be under center. They are still having nightmares from last year of FOles in Tampa!!!

    When Vick does all the right things, and still can’t make it thru week 5 getting hurry running out of bounds untouched, why in the world won’t we start developing this kid that has shown more Moxy then Romo has in 80 starts?

  110. 110 OregonDucker said at 6:44 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Agree. Let Vick heal.

  111. 111 BlindChow said at 8:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    If any game would be okay for Vick to miss, it would be Tampa Bay.

  112. 112 GEagle said at 6:40 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Darwin walker ” it’s clear once FOles gets experience he will be a very good QB in this league”
    Who saw more QBs up close then Darwin? Lol

  113. 113 BC1968 said at 6:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    If you’re a coach in your first year from college and you’re in position for a playoff spot regardless of your record you’re going with your best option. Maybe that’s not the popular option, but Foles isn’t the future as seen today by how ineffective this run game is without a mobile quarterback. This kind of offensive is really only going to be effective with a mobile quarterback and the future franchise qb isn’t on this team yet.

  114. 114 mksp said at 6:43 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Eagles fans truly, truly are the worst.

    Dallas sold out against the run, Foles took advantage of one-on-one opportunities to throw for 200 yards (edit: in basically one half)……and Foles isn’t the future because our run game was ineffective.

    Does it matter at all that our passing game was ineffective with Vick?

  115. 115 BC1968 said at 6:48 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I agree Oregon, Tampa, Dallas and the Giants are up and are winnable. Foles beat Dallas last year? Don’t remember that one.

  116. 116 Anders said at 6:49 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The Cowboys offense is really good right now.

  117. 117 BC1968 said at 6:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    That’s def the hardest game we have coming up and we are going to need a lot of offense for that one. I’m not saying Foles can’t do it, I’m saying I don’t think he can, I hope he does and I’ll root for him like hell.

  118. 118 BC1968 said at 6:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Wait I did say I don’t think Foles can do it so that’s the same thing. I hope he does though.

  119. 119 OregonDucker said at 6:46 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I disagree. Chip can adapt the offense. Give Vick time to heal. Foles will and can win games with Chip.

  120. 120 eagleyankfan said at 9:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’m with you here too. Even the announcers said it.
    Foles plays 1 half and already the “Foles isn’t the future”. Give me a break.

  121. 121 GEagle said at 6:42 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    How long until Romo pulls a Romo? Aka th defensive version of being “Nate ALLENed”

  122. 122 SteveH said at 6:46 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Soon I hope because Denver’s D looks really vulnerable.

  123. 123 Corry said at 6:46 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    It’s fun watching Peyton drop a ton of points on Dallas’s D, but man does Denver’s defense look bad. The Cowboys are scoring fairly easily.

  124. 124 SteveH said at 6:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah man, Denver’s D a shell of itself without Dumerville and Miller on the edges.

  125. 125 Anders said at 6:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    They also lost their best CB (thats not DRC or Bailey)

  126. 126 GEagle said at 6:52 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah, but Romo is No FOles 🙂

  127. 127 anon said at 6:52 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    What is going on in Dallas??

  128. 128 jimmyrustler said at 6:52 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Two things Tommy:

    1.) Clearly Giants being 0-5 is better than us being 2-3. I don’t care if the Giants end up getting Clowney or another crazy talent. It’s oddly satisfying enjoying in the same misery that the Giants reveled in against us last season .

    2.) Similar to my first point, watching DRC getting manhandled by Dez Bryant makes me feel a bit better after watching him play pretty well up until this point all season…I remember why we let him walk now.

    EDIT: Perhaps the only thing better than 1 right now is the 2-0 lead in the division right now…that’s pretty sexy, can’t lie.

  129. 129 MichaelFloyd84 said at 8:54 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Really? I disagree. One miserable season for NYG is NOT worth 10 years of terror from Clowney. Or multiple mediocre seasons by us as we finish 6-10 or 8-8 and never get our franchise QB.

  130. 130 jimmyrustler said at 10:07 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I was just making a reference to the draft talent. Realistically, if the Giants are in that position, drafting Clowney wouldn’t stop their O-Line from being made of paper mache…Our defense essentially has no pass rush up front, but if we did we easily could have prevented 10-14 of those points the Giants scored. Smart money is on them either drafting a top OL or stockpiling picks by trading with someone who wants Clowney or a QB.

    As far as us being mediocre, I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong, we could easily be a perennial 6-10 or 8-8 team if things don’t pick up…but if the last few games have shown us anything, it’s that our defense will be the most important thing to improve going forward if we’re going to do anything in this league, not the offense.

    Would I love a Bridgewater or a Mariota? Of course, who wouldn’t? But we’ve seen Vick do fine. Not great, but fine. Foles today, albeit against a shoddy Giants defense, did fine. Not great, but fine. Our offense moves the ball well enough between the 20s to be in the top 5 in offensive yardage, where we struggle most with imo is Red Zone scoring. Is some of that problem on the QB play? Yeah, but we could use some more RZ targets too, I think the only players who qualify are Celek and I-can’t-catch-a-break-or-a-pass-Cooper. Not gonna cut it. My point, however, is that barring Red Zone plays, our offense clearly works.

    The way to prevent your view is to improve on our defense so that people don’t put up 25+ points on us in most of our games…I’m not 100% sold on Bill Davis, but as Tommy mentioned in an earlier article, the staff needs time. Based on what Kelly has done with the offensive makeover, Howie’s wheeling and dealing, and bringing in Tom Gamble who was a big part of building that 49ers team, I like our chances. Also, it’s worth mentioning that will the likely QB run in the top 10-15 picks in the 2014 draft, it’s looking like a good year to be in the market for defensive players in the first round.

    Like you, I hope the Eagles don’t end up being the NFC East team the annually misses the playoffs, but things don’t deserve a pessimistic outlook, at least not yet…

  131. 131 xeynon said at 11:49 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The issue is in the only game this offense has played against a top notch defense (KC), they were not fine. The reality is that if you don’t have a historically great defense you need an elite or near-elite quarterback to win in this league, and the Eagles don’t have one. The best a middle-of-the-road guy like Vick or (projecting) Foles can make you is first round playoff roadkill. I want to fix the defense, yeah, but a quarterback who can be relied upon to torch bad defenses instead of just doing enough against them, and who presents a serious matchup problem even for good defenses, is the #1 priority.

  132. 132 ICDogg said at 6:54 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Romo is having a great day

  133. 133 Anders said at 6:54 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    hopefully this is his great game of the year

  134. 134 GEagle said at 7:12 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The implosion typically doesn’t come until November

  135. 135 SteveH said at 7:07 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Broncos offense with 41 so far, defense bad enough to mean that’s only a tie lol.

  136. 136 Gary said at 7:15 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    We get rid of DRC and he still hurts us.

  137. 137 xeynon said at 7:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    He still can’t cover Dez Bryant. Glad we got rid of that bum.

  138. 138 Corry said at 7:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    How did the Eagles only score 20 on this Broncos Defense? Holy crap…

  139. 139 xeynon said at 7:17 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    1.)game was in Denver;
    2.)Eagles don’t have as good a receiving corps as Dallas does;
    3.)Eagles don’t have as good a QB as Dallas does either

  140. 140 Anders said at 7:19 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The Broncos is really hurt on D without top 2 CBs right now and missing starting MLB.

    Also DRC decided too play like his 2012 form again.

  141. 141 Insomniac said at 7:25 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Dez Bryant does that to him

  142. 142 Anders said at 8:25 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Might be true. Bryant also went crazy against Flowers.

  143. 143 SteveH said at 7:25 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Broncos D needs to pull this out. I’ll be so disappointed if Dallas wins this game.

  144. 144 Michael Winter Cho said at 7:31 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Romo didn’t just… did he?

  145. 145 SteveH said at 7:28 PM on October 6th, 2013:


  146. 146 Insomniac said at 7:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:


  147. 147 SandShock said at 7:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    This is all

  148. 148 scratcherk said at 7:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Romo face

  149. 149 Mac said at 11:15 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    And Eli face in the same day. Life is good.

  150. 150 GEagle said at 7:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Dallas just got ROMOed!!! Told you no worries!!!! Implosion in 3,2,1…
    Chip needs to identify the next Dez, and Draft Him!!!

  151. 151 SteveH said at 7:30 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Dez was a huge risk for all his talent, remember he’s already had a bunch of off the field problems already. He was far from a sure thing.

    Edit: lol also remember Jerry Jones hired bodyguards to follow Dez so he doesn’t get into trouble? He’s so talented but what a head case.

  152. 152 Insomniac said at 7:31 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Forget Dez. I want Demarius. LOOK AT THAT CATCH.

  153. 153 GEagle said at 7:34 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The next Demaryious, Julio,Calvin,AJ…any would work for me..
    DJax..a Demryious/Dez type…Ertz….and we will have a nice future

  154. 154 Anders said at 7:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Sammy Watkins.

  155. 155 GEagle said at 7:36 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    NFC EAST kings!!!! Lol

  156. 156 SteveH said at 7:37 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I knew Romo had it in him to lose the game… just had to wait for it to come out.

  157. 157 SteveH said at 7:40 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Over 1,000 combined yards of offense. Jesus.

  158. 158 SteveH said at 7:43 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You know I was disappointed that the Cowboys played the Broncos so tough at first, but now I realize, what sweeter way for the ‘Boys to go down than a crippling, back-breaking interception late in the 4th quarter by Tony Romo after a hard fought game? Jerry Jones looked so happy… to have it all dashed away by one of the most predictable events in sports… It tastes so sweet…

  159. 159 BlindChow said at 8:11 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Yeah, but now we know there’s no way our defense will be able to make a stop. Better hope Romo goes all Eli on us…

  160. 160 GvilleEagleFan said at 10:47 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    You mean, better hope Romo goes all Romo on us?

  161. 161 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:46 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    to be fair, we all thought our offense was unstoppable after week 1. all we really learned is that one game doesn’t make a good offense.

  162. 162 BC1968 said at 7:46 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    That was the fastest rebuilding process ever by Chip! LOLLLLL

  163. 163 Vick or Nick said at 7:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:


    Vick or Nick???

  164. 164 xeynon said at 7:52 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    The short answer: it doesn’t matter.

    The long answer: whatever you thought before this game you still think now.

  165. 165 SteveH said at 8:42 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Nonsense, I’m sure at least 2.7% of the readership here have the ability to operate in the grey areas between absolutes.

  166. 166 xeynon said at 11:43 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Operating in those gray areas doesn’t help you much however, since being critical of Vick means being labeled a hater by some partisans and being critical of (or even tempered in your praise for) Foles means being labeled a Negadelphian by others. There ain’t much room for rationality when it comes to QB debates in Philly.

  167. 167 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:45 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    yea, i agree with this. i’m rooting for Foles, just because i think the offense is more ‘efficient’ when he is in there, whatever that means.
    as a Foles fan, i have to admit that Vick has played pretty well this season. much better than i expected him to play, thats for sure. i fully expect him to be the starter if he is healthy.

    my question is this:
    if Vick is not at 100%, do we play him? what if Vick is at 50%? 75%? 90%? i guess that Chip Kelly is the only one who knows where that line is.

  168. 168 BC1968 said at 8:06 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Odd that you didn’t say Foles or Mike. Is it because you are a poet and you don’t even know it?

  169. 169 xeynon said at 7:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    AND, Romo pulls a classic Romo with a boneheaded pick to give away the game in Dallas. Gotta love it.

  170. 170 jshort said at 7:51 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’d rather lose to the Broncos the way we did.

  171. 171 shah8 said at 7:55 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Me too. Think those Cowboys don’t come off of it with a boatload of confidence?

    To be fair, I was rooting harder for Peyton to lose than I was for Romo. I suppose it was a no lose game, especially since it was so good, offensively.

  172. 172 Anders said at 8:30 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    After watching the way the Colts scored against the Seahawks defense (27 points) and they are not even a super powerhouse offense yet. I dont care how bad our defense is.

    Also makes just want to go all in on offense in the draft.

  173. 173 eagleyankfan said at 9:43 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Surely you don’t mean that. (and I’ll stop calling you Surely)

  174. 174 Anders said at 9:48 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Not sure I follow.

    You do not think I meant what I wrote?

  175. 175 TommyLawlor said at 10:29 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    He was using a joke from the movie Airplane!

  176. 176 Anders said at 6:15 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    never seen that movie 🙂

  177. 177 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:41 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    here’s the clip from the movie

  178. 178 Anders said at 9:40 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    So Lyerla just left the Ducks. This will 100% affect his draft stock unless he stays for another year.

  179. 179 A_T_G said at 10:45 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Did he have any issues for Chip? Maybe this is a guy we can get at a bargin rate next season if Chip knows more of the story than others.

  180. 180 GvilleEagleFan said at 11:01 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Best thing about Foles? When reporters were trying to get him to talk about wanting to be the starter and all that nonsense, he just kept talking about how he knew it was “his job to go in there and get a win when Mike was hurt.” I honestly don’t think either of them are our long-term answers, but I have to respect Foles’ attitude. I love the way he can come off the bench cold and step right into the game and I’d like to have him stick around as one of the better #2 QBs in the league.

  181. 181 Iskar36 said at 11:16 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    I’ve definitely been a fan of the way Foles handles himself in front of the media. Throughout TC/PS, he always said the right things. On two occasions so far this season, he has come in cold and led this offense to points and played well. I agree that it’s unlikely that he is the long-term answer at QB, but he definitely seems like a solid teammate, and if anything, a guy you hope you can keep around as a backup for awhile.

  182. 182 GvilleEagleFan said at 1:31 AM on October 7th, 2013:

    If his only options in FA are bottom of the barrel teams (Jax, Cleveland, etc.) I have to wonder if the coaches and Howie try to sell him on being our backup, considering how well he stays within the system and is already familiar. I think how much Barkley develops in practice has a lot to do with that.

  183. 183 xeynon said at 11:39 PM on October 6th, 2013:

    Agreed, but I don’t think it’s likely he does stick around if he continues to play as well in relief as he did today. He’ll get a chance to start somewhere in the league (and team first attitude aside I have no doubt he wants to).

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