More Postgame Thoughts
Posted: November 17th, 2013 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 194 Comments »The previous post had a ton of comments, which makes it difficult to keep conversations going, so I thought I would post some additional reflections on the team and the game.
* It blows me away how much better Bennie Logan is now that he’s the starting NT. He’s better than Isaac Sopoaga was, but is also better than Bennie Logan was as a backup.
* LeSean McCoy had 11 games of 20 or more carries from 2009-2012. He has 6 of those games this season. A big part of Chip Kelly’s genius is doing the obvious. Shady is your best offensive player. I know…let’s feed him the ball. McCoy had 150 total yards today, as well as 2 TDs.
* Nick Foles now has enough passing attempts to qualify for official passing stats. He should be atop the NFL’s QB rating list tomorrow morning when stats are updated. I think they actually get posted about 3am for those of you that are night owls.
* I’m curious to see how Najee Goode looks when I study the game. He’s had 2 impressive weeks, but is allowed to attack the LOS a lot. That’s an effective tactic, but isn’t necessarily something you can do every week. I want to see how he pursued and tackled. I was as shocked as all of you when the Eagles got rid of Emmanuel Acho and added Goode, but right now that seems like a terrific decision. Najee Goode…or Najee Greate?
* The subject of Kelly having the team go for it on 4th/1 came up in the previous post. I fully supported going for it. I think you want your team to develop an aggressive mentality. Don’t play “not to lose”. Play to win. That means you will take some chances. They won’t always work. You must be able to live with the plays that don’t pan out to enjoy the rewards of those that do.
* The national media is going to start jumping on the Eagles bandwagon now. They’ve been on and off a few times already this year. Welcome them back, but let’s be careful before we start buying into some of the hype that is bound to build up. This Eagles team is good enough for us to enjoy right now, but still has enough flaws for us to keep our expectations realistic. I mean, we’ll win the Super Bowl, but it won’t be a blowout.
* You guys brought up a lot of good topics to discuss. We’ve got the bye coming up so I’ll write about these things since we won’t have a game to preview or review from Wednesday to Wednesday, give or take. We’ll talk about QB (Foles vs draft), RB (importance of Shady), CB (Boykin/draft/free agency), OLB (Cole/Graham and the future) and any other good topics that need to be discussed at length.
* Did you guys see what Shady did before the game? Skins fan was shaking a Skins flag at him so Shady grabbed it, balled it up and threw the thing away from the stands. No word on if someone gave it back to the guy or not. Anyone bothered by Shady doing this? Shady was chatting up an Eagles fan and it appeared the guy started shaking the flag at him so I don’t see this as a big deal.
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I’m 75% convinced I think Foles can be a franchise QB… He makes good decisions. Decisive…Accurate .. He keeps making major improvements … do you remember last year he would be good for 1-2 really BAD INTs?????
I’m 75% convinced I think Foles can be a franchise QB… He makes good decisions. Decisive…Accurate .. He keeps making major improvements … do you remember last year he would be good for 1-2 really BAD INTs?????
It seemed to me that the Eagles ditched the wode receiver screens, which were not working, and went with some tight end screens.
Teams are playing their CBs at the LOS, cant throw WR screens then. The TE screens have also been very good this year
Agree way more effective, especially when WRs run deep routes.
It seemed to me that the Eagles ditched the wode receiver screens, which were not working, and went with some tight end screens.
I can’t stand the 4th and short shotgun. At least get up to the line and line up in the I-formation and jam it down their throats.
As far as Shady, you put something in his face, he’s going to rip it off. Lesson learned.
This. The short yardage shotgun runs up the middle drive me nuts. We’ve run a couple plays under center the last two weeks…would like to see more of that sprinkled in.
Eagles are ranked #1 in the league this year on 3rd & 4th down runs of <2 yds to go.
I think we gotta give Foles another year as the guy at this point. That’s a good thing, too, since it means we can focus on our plethora of other needs in the draft.
I agree. Tho I would still take a development guy.
My favorite would be Logan Thomas late, but some has him going in the 2nd or 3rd.
Yeah, it’s always good to take a QB in the 3rd or 4th round, just as a matter of principle.
I agree with Tommy on the last podcast, I think 3rd or 4th is too early this year, we already have Barkley.
Either we draft 1 in the first 2 rounds or 5th or later.
A Tolzine type?
My hope is still Logan, might be convinced to take him in the 4th.
Logan Thomas? Guy can’t pass. Kinne is a better prospect.
He can pass, his problem is his WRs drops a ton of balls and he got no run game, so he ends up in a lot of 3rd and long and then he presses passes.
They have D1 scholarship athletes and they don’t play a brutal schedule. He’s never completed 60% of his passes. His td/int rate is atrocious and he hasn’t improved during his time at a major college football program. Thomas would not be on my draft board at all unless I thought he could be a good TE or OLB.
And there WRs and RBs blow donkey balls.
No QB can carry his team not even in college, the closed we have had to that is Cam Newton, but he had one hell of a defense and some effective role players
Re: Newton – And a helluva RB and a helluva play caller.
Just don’t really agree with the shifting blame for Logan’s performance off of Logan. Reminds me of the treatment another poor passer from VT gets. VT recruits just fine. If the receivers look bad, it’s at least partially because of the guy throwing the ball to them. Can’t let the easily measurable attributes cloud your evaluation of what he actually does on the field.
i agree with this, im not touching a QB unless its a top guy or theres some freak athletic talent thats been underused or undervalued and get him late and let chip do his thing. Foles is the guy.
logan thomas as 2nd…..huge stretch…..based upon his lack of success at VT….however 6’6″ and 250 that runs well….someone might take a chance on him in the 3rd…
Some of that is because Thomas has zero good players to help him on offense since his first season. He lost David Wilson and Boykin (the GB WR who was very good vs us last week) after his first season.
Great players are expected to win no matter what in college. Who was Luck throwing to? Who did Kap throw to? Hell, who was Christian Ponder/EJ Manual throwing to?
Thomas hasn’t developed nearly as well as expected. That’s a concern. Say what you want about talent but VT has been in ACC championship two of his three years coming into this year. He’s had Evans, Williams, Wilson as RBs. I’m still waiting to see him put the team on his back.
The year he had talent, he performed well as a sophmore.
Luck had 3 star TEs (2 drafted in the 2nd) and 1 was UDFA but is doing nice for him self with the Lions
Ponder really wasnt that great, neither was Manuel (many had both as 2nd or 3rd round picks)
focus on needs in the draft? NO!!! YOU TAKE BEST PLAYER!!!! Good talk.
You still adjust for need. You do not take a RB before the 5th round bc of McCoy+Brown.
yeah, not really tho… i can see us using a 1st round pick on a certin RB. De’anthoney thomas! He can return kicks, play WR in the slot and be a great mismatch player.
I’m not taking DAT before the 4th. He doesn’t have the body of an NFL RB or the hands of an NFL WR. His speed makes him an interesting gadget player to take a flyer on, but he’s not a first rounder by any stretch of the imagination.
the body of an NFL RB?? Have you seen Chris Johnson? lol.. He could very well go in the 1st. A guy like dexter mccluster went very very high in the 2nd round, and he isnt even a tru burner like DAT, and look at tavon austin and how high he went. DAT will go in the 1st or very early in the 2nd round. Watch and rememeber this comment.
I say he is a 3rd round pick, but somebody is going to take him in the 2nd.
Chris Johnson has almost 30 pounds on DAT, and goes a 4.24 rather than a 4.34
Tavon Austin is built thicker than DAT and a true WR.
Anyway, I’m not saying that DAT won’t go before the 4th, I’m just saying that I would not draft him in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
tavon isjust shorter, and he is NOT a tru WR. They are very close in terms as prospects, tavon is is more of a WR then a RB, where as DAT is more of a RB then a WR. But DAt has better hands and is tougher.
Austin just had superior production than DAT.
yeah, thomas is on a team with a ton of playmakers and spread the ball around as good as anyone in college the last 3 years.
Still If he was so good, they would feed him more. They used Barner over him.
Hey, now. Maybe it was just because DAT is too small to handle a D1 starter’s workload without getting injured!
and they used DAT over barner in the passing game.
Tavon had a superior YPC and YPA.
he barely had a better YPC, and lets be honset his YPC is below average for a “true” WR. and tavon got damn near all of those rushing yards in one game. lol..
Tavon is two inches shorter than DAT and the exact same weight. That means that he is built thicker.
He also had more receptions in his senior year than DAT does in his college career. Tavon is a better rusher than DAT, but that’s in addition to being an actual WR.
all those catches and his YPC is average at best(steadman baily is a better WR). he isnt a true WR, true WRs play on the outside, and tavon cant play on the outside in the NFL. At all.
DAt def wont get drafted as high as tavon, but DAT will have the better career.
Shit, I guess someone should tell Wes Welker and Victor Cruz that that they aren’t true WRs!
Also, Tavon had a higher career YPC than DAT does…
cmon now, those guys run routes and know what they are doing. They are not even comparable.
and tavon BARELY has a higher career average yards per catch over thomas lol
AND thomas has more TDs in 3 years then austin had 4.
food for thought huh
yea Thomas TD to yards ratio is crazy.
yup, hed be a perfect fit here in philly, he can get his TDs with out a lot of touches.
Agree, but as I said above, I wouldnt use more than a 4th. We need too many starter type picks.
do we really tho?? You gotta remember about free agency. We got the money to make some good signings. You dont go into the draft thinking “i need a starter here and here lets get the rookie that can come in and play right away.”
When I say need, I mean also eventually down the line. If we draft an OT or OG in the 3rd, he would be a backup, but starter in 2-3 years.
If the player only projects as a gadget player, I say wait for the 4th unless he is super special and I do not think DAT is that special.
wait for the 4th tho? why the 4th?? lol.. ima wait to the 7th for teddy bridgewater and ima wait until the 6th for sammy watkins lol
A guy who might average 2 touches per game is not worth a high pick.
Watkins is an every down player, DAT isnt.
you right, ill wait for him in the 3rd. LOL
and where did this magical number of 2 touches come from?? KR, PR, WR and RB. i mean he could get at least one touch per each position a game and double your magical number.
Dude DAT is not going in the top 50. He has been hurt for most of the season and teams will look at his small frame lack of major production since injury and wonder if he can hold up in the NFL. Even assuming he was worth a few carries being a 3rd/4th reciever and a return man that is a poor return on your investment in the first round. If he doesn’t run a sub 4.4 then he’s going to go into free fall.
nah, they will see his speed and play making ability and drool over him. He will be a high 2nd round poick if not a late 1st rounder. bank on it.
And dexter mccluster ran a 4.4 could of been 4.5, still a high 2nd round pick.
and he had had major production. nearl;y 1000 yards of offense every season and a ton of TDs. lol. plus his KR ability.
i completely agree with you man. We should focus on defense in the draft but if DAT is sitting their in the second. you have to take him. heck if hes there in the middle of the 2nd then we should trade up and take him. Maybe trade out of the first and get him in the middle of a second and pick up a first next year. or more picks this year. Can you imagine having desean, shady, Maclin(if he can return from injury), ertz and thomas on the field at the same time? It would turn cooper or maclin (whichever one we keep) into an 1000 yard reciever easily. No team has enough good players on defense to match up with all of them. atleast one guy would create a mismatch, if not two or three. imagine motioning desean across the formation and faking the screen to him, only to throw a delayed screen to DAT on the other side like we saw this week with brown and mccoy. we would have the most loaded offense in football (except for denver). invest the rest of the draft and free agency in defense and we will have a superbowl in the next 4 years
But they’re slot receivers who don’t play on the outside, doesn’t that mean they aren’t true WRs?
You see they CAN play on the outside, esp cruz. I guess thats what you fail to realize. Step ya game up!!!
How do we know that Tavon Austin can’t play on the outside? Because he hasn’t done so in the first 11 games of his NFL career?
No because he hasnt done it throughout his entire college career. he played in a system that gave him a lot of easy catches. his stats are inflated.
First of all, DAT plays for Oregon. You can’t argue that someone else’s stats are inflated relative to his.
Anyway, the WV system was built around giving the ball to him so that he could get YAC. He inflated Geno’s stats, not the other way around.
oh i cant?? oreagon has a bucnh of playmakers and they are all involved. At WV it was the steadmen baily and tavon austin show.
And guess what?? he didnt get muych YAC. lol Both of their stats were inflated and manufactured. every football guy knows this.
Oregon gets more YPC than anyone else in organized football.
DAT is a YPC guy playing in a system that inflates YPC, but he still has less YPC than Tavon, who plays in a system that was essentially “Long to Stedman or dump off to Tavon.”
Austin’s job was to be the short play guy and DAT’s is to be a big play guy, but Austin still had a higher YPC than DAT.
Thier offenses did a lot of the same things, the difference? tavon was easily their best player and played more snaps.
and again DAT has more TDs in 3 years then tavon had in 4. ill take the TDs over the yards all day.
I’m talking about rate stats. Snaps are irrelevant.
Tavon had better rate stats than DAT in a role that was less conducive to getting rate stats.
The only thing DAT has on Austin is the TD numbers, but that’s as much a result of context as it is their respective skillsets.
dude he is BARELY better in YPC and if you exclude that one huge rushing game tavon had it would be a different story in YPR.
DAT’s entire game is based around YPC and YPR. Tavon’s is built around catches, the fact that he’s better than DAT at DAT’s best quality is just gravy.
his game is built around catches huh.. lol..
well his YPC was average for a WR, average for the WRs that run 4.6 40s, hell TEs got more yards a catch then him lol.. and guess what? he isnt really better at those things, his YPR is inflated absurdly by one game.
Tavon is a talented kid, a human joystick.
But the fact is he isnt that much more talented then DAT, DAT wont as high as him for sure, but he will go late 1st early 2nd.
id rather have DAT than tavon. Tavon makes desean look like einstein. have you heard any of his interviews?
austin also played every snap. DAT wasnt even a starter and he was still close in every statistical category. Also you have to use the eye test sometimes, and DAT is the most explosive player ive watched in a long time. more explosive than desean or shady. he jukes almost as well as shady and has deseans speed. his only drawback is his size. however, i trust chip to design plays that would get him in space where his speed and elusiveness would make it almost impossible to hit him dead on.
You can get a gadget guy like Dri Archer after DAT. Give or take, they’re almost the same type off players. Dri is just smaller.
I like Dri too!!
Would be cool to have DAT and desean on the field together.
Love what Dri does too. He’s faster than DAT and he plays big for a small guy. Would love to have either one.
but both would be gadget players. They wouldnt be every down players imo. So 4th round pick earliest for that type of players imo. You draft starters in the first 3 rounds.
Yup. This is why I’m not on the DAT hype train.
RB in the NFL has become so boring. You don’t see teams drafting “franchise” RB’s anymore. It’s a different league and you can get “good enough” at RB in later rounds. The difference between the best RB coming out and the 10th best RB coming out isn’t as big a gap as with other positions. My two cents. Also I think INDY trading a 1st for Richardson was insane. There is so much more value in a 1st round pick than that.
thats why a guy like DAT is more valuable then a trent richardson, he can play WR in the slot and be a true playmaker on STs.
Not a fan of Jack of all trade players in the first. Get a Master of one in the first. Pass rushing OLB is my hope.
Yea thats possible. OLB and S are what we could use on defense. on offense id like another WR or 2, and a RB that can make plays in the passing game. Like run routes like westbrook did. Love shady but he dont be doing that. He gets his yard in the passin game tho… and i dont trust bryce out there running routes.
I’d be really tempted by a guy like Carlos Hyde if he fell far enough. The one thing we don’t have is a guy that will consistently follow his blocks up the middle on short yardage situations.
But if you’re not fully sold on Foles and that franchise guy is available you have to take him.
I agree if one of those guys Falls a la Aaron Rodgers yeah go for it. Look how well the RG3 trade is working out for Was. Their Defense got OLD quick and they have no pics to replenish it. Don’t reach though. I’d rather see a big WR or shutdown corner or speed rushing OLB than trading out whole draft for a QB who “MIGHT” be good.
Right now we are drafting 20th. Trading up would be so unwise. Most of the trade up talk was back when we was 3-5 and drafting top 10.
I think Manziel might drop to 15-20 range, if he is there, I wouldnt mind trading up a bit for him.
something about Manziel screams “Matt Leinart” I don’t follow college much though so I may be off though it’s just a feeling.
Not even close. Manziel is actually a student in the film room and has really improved as a passer from last season.
He’s definitely improved and he’ll probably go in the first round, but I hope it’s not to Philly. His ‘Johnny Football’ persona makes him pretty much unlikeable. Also, Foles is probably better anyway.
I’ve been wondering on the trade-up angle, what d’you think Foles would get us?
I wouldn’t be shocked if we were able to trade pick 20 (or whatever it ends up being) and Foles for a top-5 to grab Mariota, if that’s what Chip wanted to do. Look at a team like the Bucs – they’ve got enough holes on their team that getting a QB that’s shown he’s (at least) decent in the NFL and still having a first rounder to address other positions might be worth it even if they think Mariota is better than Foles.
Before people take that the wrong way, I am by no means suggesting that this is what we should do; just suggesting another option that might be available.
I think foles has shown enough to where we should focus on defense with almost every pick, unless we can get great value on a tackle who can play guard until peters is gone. or DAT. If we dont get DAT and he goes to a dvision rival, we will be f*cked
Was Rodgers considered “franchise” in 2005? Alex Smith was.
no, he wouldn’t have fallen as far as he did if he was
We’ve already won too many game for taking the franchise guy to be feasible. Besides possibly Manziel, there aren’t any QBs worth a first round pick that will be available where we draft, and Foles has been productive enough that paying a King’s Ransom to trade up a la RG3 is not worth it.
No matter who’s available there’s no way of knowing if he’s “the franchise guy”.
Just felt like restating that Reid’s team again failed to punch it in from 1st and goal. I love Reid but that continued inability at short yardage still bothers me
Its crazy how bad his teams is down there. He is really great before the RZ and then he seems to have no clue what to do.
Did he have these problems with Donnie?
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2004-02-02
Seems we was good back in 2004 and 2003, else not really. We aint really good this year according to the stats, but sure feels like we are much better, maybe its because we have been really good with Foles?
I remember the Eagles being really good in RZ efficiency during their NFC champ stretch. Donovan was pretty good at punching it in in his prime, It was 08 and on where things went to hell.
They were good when they could pull off that shovel pass to Westbrook. After he ran that 429 times and teams caught on to it, they were done.
1st and Goal at the 5, and he called three runs in a row!
loved that shady stole the banner, i was watching it on fox pregame, i was actually hopin g he would do it lol… i only wished he yelled “WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!!!!” as he did it LMFAO
Yeah the flag said the Linc was “Redskins territory” which is different from just being a random redskin flag. I think under the Geneva Conventions shady was legally required to remove that flag from the sovereign territory of the Linc.
Either way, we’ll have to see if Nuremberg is going to punish him or not.
lol
Where are the QB rankings?
not the official list but http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2013&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING
Well time to trade Foles. He can’t even beat an always injured RB in QBR.
yea I mean, also look at those 3 scrubs just behind. I mean Manning, Bress and Rodgers aint that good right?
Exactly. Don’t you hate the media?
I’m more curious about what happened with shady and cooper? They had to be separated. Not sure whether it was just regular arguments or something serious?
most likely just normal arguments but highlighted because it is Cooper and McCoy is black.
when was this???
I think during the last Skins drive. Shady and Cooper was talking angry to each other and Duce tried to stop McCoy. It wasnt anything heated like Bryant and Witten where they had to be separated, but they still argued.
wow, didnt hear anything about it, i watched the game, and was checking twitter and watched post game live, not a peep about it..
The announcers mentioned it as they were going to a commercial break for a brief second but no follow up when we came back
it was after the failed first down conversion by Foles which was our last drive of the game. It happened in some sort of huddle when they reviewed the stretch by foles…prolly just some guys frustrated about not getting that first down…
I love what Shady did. Winning back the fans and letting them know players care about rivalries is icing on the cake, Yes more offseason talk!
I have to say I know people are going to go on and on about being conservative in the second half, but if I remember correctly there were some very untimely penalties in the second half that stalled a few drives and cost us a few first downs. It felt like were were in 3rd and long a lot because of it.
100% agree. We had several 1st downs called back because of penalties and then we would come up short afterwards.
Of the 21 plays called after that last TD drive in the 3rd quarter, 15 were runs (not including 2 scrambles). Going unbalanced like that is what you do when you’re trying to run out the clock (“being conservative”). This was mid-way through the 3rd quarter.
There was only one penalty on us during that stretch. I think the complaints about going conservative too early are absolutely legitimate.
Really hope that wolff comes back after the bye….it was painful to watch Chung back there in coverage. Allen continues to play at a higher level than he ever has, but the loss of Fletch and Wolff was salvaged by the pass rush rattling RGIII into some poor throws.
Another bad game from Kaepernick, Stafford was 12(33trgts)-183-0, 1 int to receivers not named megatron in a loss to PIT, GB giving false hope to the NYG (enough to knock off the ‘girls next week!). Aside from Luck and Wilson (who has a tremendous supporting cast), not sure I’d take any young QB over NoPick Nick
and Luck is a little overrated. Good QB but hasn’t done anything special.
Luck has really little supporting cast now that Wayne is out.
I say it is Luck-Foles-Wilson-RG3 from that draft.
I know Wilson is doing good things, but that team is so loaded that most QBs could win alot of games.
I’d take Wilson over Foles, still. Foles has received much, much better offensive tutelage.
Wilson would be scary good with Kelly and this offense, but Foles is really balling right now.
Look at this series of tweets:
http://i.imgur.com/2WCup7s.png?1
There you go bringing logic and reasoning into it. Can’t you just stick with the narrative that all the CB’s for the last 3 teams foles has face have fallen down every play.
Oh, no doubt. I’m just saying that Wilson under Carroll isn’t the same player he would have been had he played for Chip and Coach Reid.
none of those teams would trade their QBs for Foles straight up. But it says something that Foles is even in the conversation.
yeah he could be weeden
Good that guy who drafted him is no longer an HC.
Oh shit he is our OC…..
Most likely not, but we gotta admit Foles might be better than we think right?
great ball distribution. you can really see what CK wants the offense to look like. I don’t think he’s special I think he’s alex smith / russell wilson.
Russell Wilson is a special fucking talent.
Speak for yourself 🙂
absolutely. That 2012 draft is looking very good right now.
Here are Wilson’s stats from the SF game earlier this year:
8 of 19 for 142 yards (42.17%), 1 TD, 1 INT
His QB rating was 63.9. He averaged 3.3 on the ground with no rushing TD’s.
Even with that performance, Seattle won 29 – 3. He’s definitely found himself in a great situation.
It always struck me that he was deemed The Anointed One very early. And he’s got that awful caveman facial hair.
I’m not sure I’d take Luck. I think his rookie season was highly overrated because he threw a TON , but only completed 54% which is good for 1985. Comp % I think is an overlooked stat and one of the most important for projecting a QB. He compiles a lot of yards but when you look at his ancillary stats they don’t stand out. Average QB rating, below avg comp. He has been better this year, but I’m not totally sold on him.
I was sold on RG3 but like I predicted Mike “I Am incredibly ovverrated as a coach” Shanahan is ruining the kid. SOOOO the wrong coach to develop him.
Kelly+RG3 would be awesome.
Really scared that Shanahan will be fired and Snyder will hire a guy like Sumlin or Briles.
Yeah. I personally don’t want the shanahans fired. They’re great for the nfc east. If I were a Redskins fan today I’d be at Snyders office with Pitchforks and torches, That was a piss poor game-plan by the Shanny’s. I appreciate how much of the clock they ran for us though.
Can you do an in-depth analysis of lane johnson year to date? We havent heard much about him other than the DGR’s. I guess overall it is a good things that we havent heard about him, but some in-depth would be great. Thanks!
I love a full team report.
Lane has really turned the corner these past few weeks. Tre Thomas talked about how they have been working on his is punch and hands and that it’s starting to come together and he will be one of the best OTs in the NFL….He has played really well these past 3 years.
Doesn’t look like Shady is feeling too sheepish about the flag-thing: http://www.facebook.com/LeSeanMcCoy/posts/721396314554857
I think we are now familiar with a few things about Chip Kelly that will drive us nuts kind of like how Andy did some things that drove us nuts. Chip’s two worst habits are managing the clock with the lead and challenge decisions. Andy’s were clock management when trailing and challenges. I guess we’re going to have to get used to this. Still, in Chip we trust.
His clock management was pretty great against Tampa and Green Bay. Shouldnt we give him more than 11 games before we judge his flaws?
No. You judge people based on their past performance. Chip has plenty of great things going for him. A balanced offense and functional defense are welcome changes. He isn’t perfect but he looks pretty good. My point is just to identify the cons amidst the pros. I’m not putting him down.
Regarding the Cooper/Shady thing:
— The television broadcast caught Cooper apparently bickering with LeSean McCoy late in the game. Cooper told reporters he was actually mediating between McCoy and wide receiver DeSean Jackson. Running backs coach Duce Staley stepped in as well.
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/2053/two-sacks-for-cole-big-punt-for-jones
Regarding the Cooper/Shady thing:
— The television broadcast caught Cooper apparently bickering with LeSean McCoy late in the game. Cooper told reporters he was actually mediating between McCoy and wide receiver DeSean Jackson. Running backs coach Duce Staley stepped in as well.
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/2053/two-sacks-for-cole-big-punt-for-jones
By my unoffical count, Bryce Brown was 0/3 on 3rd/4th and short.
I really would like to see more of Chris Polk after the bye week. He’s the perfect closer-type back. He gets positive yards by fighting through initial contact.
For as big as Brown is, he seems to avoid contact at times and run small. Need a physical back like Polk to carry on short yardage.
Just my .02.
Pretty sure that Brown converted a 4th and 1 on the last TD drive. Don’t think Brown’s other failures to convert were the result of trying to go wide… just defenders in the backfield.
I’m not saying Brown is unfit to convert. He is capable. But…
Theres a better option on the roster (Chris Polk).
Defenders are gonna get in the backfield at times in short yardage. You need a back that has power and 2nd effort to keep pushing. Polk does this much better than Brown.
Yup although it would be really nice if the Eagles had a 2nd back Kelly trusted enough to give 6-8 carries a game and give McCoy a bit more of a breather.
Saw Polk do that plenty of times at U of Washington. I was hoping he would get the ball on that third down before the Henry FG. Did anyone else have a little deja vu with Nick looking to toss what appeared to be a shovel pass to Polk? I thought I was watching Andy Reid’s offense again….Let Polk run it in like he did in Denver 🙂
Shady was wearing a Raiders jacket before the game …=
Hey Anders, I checked out Allen Robinson tonight. What bothers me is his build up speed. I don’t think his RAC skills will have the same success in the NFL. He’s a complete package though. He’s good at everything but not great. Oddly, he reminds me of Keenan Allen and Jordy Nelson who both are fringe #1 receivers. I would draft him in the second round since both of the guys I compared him to are producing, he might end up being a top 50 pick.
I like Watkins from Clemson and Benjamin from FSU. Not sure they make it to the second round though.
Imagine this scenario. If Eagles pick middle-late. D’Anthony Thomas?
I don’t think Benjamin will declare this year. Watkins will be gone by the first round. As for DAT, I think he gets too much love since he plays at Oregon. I like Dri Archer a bit more than DAT but getting either one would make the team better overall.
I like DeSean, LeSean, and the tight ends. I can respect what Cooper has been able to do so far. But adding another explosive player would really put this offense over the top.
Both are explosive. I just don’t think there’s anyone faster than DAT in the open field.
Double read option with McCoy and DAT lined up beside the QB. Now things could get really interesting.
Look at it this way. Dri has Chris Johnson speed. DAT is Darren Sproles 2.0.
Wow, Shady WAS actually wearing a Raiders vest today:
http://fansided.com/2013/11/17/philadelphia-eagles-lesean-mccoy-wears-oakland-raiders-vest-game-gif/
Maybe he got a good deal outside the Oakland Coliseum after the Raiders game two weeks ago?
Looks vintage. Maybe it’s fashionable.
Would be real interesting to compare Brady’s first tentative steps towards becoming a full time starter with what Foles is going through. I’m not saying Foles is Brady, just wondering what it was like before Brady became Brady, and if there are any glimmers of hope to be found in that. I’m guessing that Brady had some awkward, halting steps on his path. Even after winning that first SB, I still don’t think he had truly established himself as the great player he is. I think that takes time.
I guess what I’m wondering is, are there more similarities in what Foles is doing now to early Brady or to early Ty Detmer?
There have been a couple looks at this- I know Eagles Rewind and the Chip Wagon had articles on it. Also the stat comparisons that guys on twitter have been sending. He’s actually tracking “early Brady” pretty closely in a lot of ways (enter disclaimer: not to say Foles is going to turn out as successfully as Brady has), but it’s true that there is no guarantee he will pan out – only very strong indications that he will. I know there have been others that researched similar comparisons too in the Blog Roll sites archives.
Here’s the Eagles Rewind link: Tracking QB Rating Over Time
The article right before that one talks about other QB’s as well.
Also, am I the only one who thinks it’s funny how everyone quickly adds “not that I’m saying he’ll be Brady!” I wonder how many more games Foles will have to play before we’re allowed to ask these questions without falling all over ourselves to make disclaimers.
I don’t want him to be Brady — I want him to be Foles. Funny i’ve been telling people (off the eagles boards) that Foles is the truth, no on was trying to hear that. Yesterday I got some sad texts from skins fans — they are believers now.
Future Headlines:
“Gisele Leaves Tom for “Younger, Better Version””
“Kate Upton, Gisele Bundchen fight over Napolean Dynamite look-alike”
“5X Super Bowl winning Eagles QB Nick Foles to host SNL”
I think the caution is wise. Brady had very good circumstances when he first got his shot. Even after Brady and the Pat’s won their first SB, we didn’t think Brady was going to be a HOFer. He was part of a cool story of the Patriots post-911.
Brady didn’t become Brady until a few more seasons of showing and proving (by getting better each year) that he could be the man.
Nick looks like he will, at the least, be a solid pro. It’s hard to gauge right now what his upside is. We’ve seen him run this offense well. We’ve seen him lead the offense to “run and hide” leads.
Tommy has mentioned this too, but I want to see him “suck” for most of the game THEN lead us to victory at the end.
I’m very hopeful about Nick, I just need to see more, under more types of circumstances. He’s a talented, likeable leader that I wouldn’t mind having him lead our Birds for the next 10 years if he continues to be consistent and gets better.
I did say it last week and I will say it again. Watch out for the Giants making an improbable run of making the playoffs after an 0-6 start. Someonone on here referred to their brutal schedule but it doesn’t really matter who you play when you’re on a roll. And the Giants – even if you don’t like it – are red hot, winning 4 in a row and being only 2 games behind the Eagles. They will play the Cowboys next and I am positive that they’re going to win this too.
Re the missed challenges (I haven’t read all the comment so apologies in advance if it was discussed to death already): Someone has to take accountability for this mess. Even I could see it on TV (in real time) that Morris was out of bounds. Last week may be excusable, but not challenging the spot yesterday is ridiculous. I hope Chippah will “demote” Shurmur or whoever is responsible for challenging plays. THIS must change/improve if the Eagles want to make a serious playoff run.
Not really feeling the anxiety over the Giants. Yes, they are putting together some wins but we’re talking over the Vikes, the Vick/MB TO generating Eagles which was still not the blowout it should have been, edging the Raiders in a very odd game (TO’s and ST’s points) and getting a pretty decent win over the Packers (minus AR as we’ve been reminded frequently after our own Week 10 win). Their DEF is looking good but Eli is still extremely inconsistent. If people have been harsh on Foles for consistency, Eli’s play should be of much more concern. Their wins are wins, and any win against the team in front of you is good – but they haven’t been at all awe inspiring imo. Maybe I’m biased as I can’t stand the Giants, but just my opinion.
I can’t stand the Giants either but people will have to take them seriously. I am pretty sure they’re going to beat the Cowboys at home next Sunday and then they will be only one game behind first place.
Just imagine if they re-write the history books becoming the first team ever to make the playoffs after a 0-6 start. That would be unbearable!!!
Yeah, I’d rather not imagine that =) It’s bad enough having to pick one over the other whenever they play Dallas.
Ugh…I pray that that doesn’t happen. That would be insufferable. Dang, do I root for Dallas next week?…heck no!
No, you root for the Giants next week, then Washington the following week when they play the Giants. Ideally, the other three teams’ division records will be 3-3.
I’ll look out for the Giants making an improbably run when they beat a team whose starting QB plays the whole game. So far they beat: Freeman who was in for Cassel who was in for Ponder, Barkley who was in for Vick who was in for Foles, Oakland had their supplemental draft QB who is completing 50% of his passes playing the game hurt with a knee injury that has kept him out the past week, and they beat Green Bay with their third string QB (which the game was in the reach of GB until a late pick six.) Everyone is on the whole “Giants defense is turning it up” but they haven’t beaten a team with a quality starting NFL QB and they barely gotten their wins against these teams when they did win.
Still rooting for the Giants to knock off the Boys next week though. Boys are 3-0 in the NFC East right now and have an easier schedule down the stretch. Also don’t see the Giants going 4-1 over the last 5 even if they beat Dallas.
Giants stink. They are winning for same reason they Eagles are winning…catching teams at the right time is all….but a win streak is a win streak and I’m sure the Gi-aints fans feel the same way as Eagle fans…
Riley Cooper TD was close enough to challenge as well. Would have been a good time just to throw a flier considering we were dominating and could afford the burned TO.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating
Looks pretty good to me.
“They did a good job of scheming us up,” quarterback Robert Griffin III said, via Mike Jones of the Washington Post. “They kind of knew what was coming before it was coming and that was disheartening.
But it wasn’t just the offense feeling that way. Linebacker London Fletcher said the Eagles didn’t change things significantly from the opener.
“For the most part, when we look at what they did on film, the plays
they hit us with, they had already shown,” Fletcher said. “They believe
in their offense and their system and just try to adjust to what we were
doing. Defensively, we played a lot of man-to-man, so they ran a lot of
man-beaters and crossing routes and things like that to try to free up
their guys, so that was part of their game-plan. Tight end delay, tight
end screen, running back screen – a lot of things to beat man coverage.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/18/redskins-say-eagles-knew-what-was-coming/
OT:
Eminem raps about Brian Baldinger in his song ‘legacy’. Lol.
nice read T-Law….great spot to be in going into the by week off of a win. Now we can dream for 2 weeks :). 2 more weeks of Foles preparing as the number 1 will be a good thing. well needed rest for these guys…
Worst time ever for a bye — I am enjoying this win streak — i want to see more eagles football.
I was lamenting with my brother how short the season is. We wait all year and then in a couple of months its over — hopefully we get an extra month.
I hear ya…what do we do next sunday? going to be a long 2 weeks for us…
If we think of this year, at least in part, as a learning year for the Eagles, it is preferable for the Eagles to get some valuable experience in adverse situations, as in the 4th quarter yesterday. It’s also good for the team’s psyche to be winning, but not so easily that they can fool themselves into thinking they don’t have to work very hard to eke out every win.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00/splits/
Nick Foles at home: Clark Kent
Nick Foles on the road: Super QB
Yeah I know small sample size but those splits are crazy.
The Linc is his kryptonite?
Better hope opposing teams don’t catch wind of that, or they’ll start sprinkling Linc grass around their home fields before Eagles games…
A few observations over the past couple of games. Nick Foles has an adequate NFL. He certainly doesn’t have a big arm, but its sufficient to make the 20 hrs out and the 40 yd fly. That’s all one needs to keep safeties honest. Pair the with fantastic touch and good awareness and you have a QB that can win in this league. What ultimately will determine whether he can win in the playoffs wil be his ability to play uner pressure and duress when the eagles aren’t schematically superior the way they were with the screens this past week. Will he be able to put points on the board when the pass rush is hot and receivers are struggling to get separation? I look forward to seeing that game.
The defensive line has become a strength. Logan and Thornton have played far better than I imagined. I think the emergence of those two have really been integral in the defenses recent success. They allow the LBs to make plays and the pass rushers to see more one-on-one blocking. In my opinion, those three down lineman are the largest reason the defense is really coming together. Davis also seems to be doing a great job of preparing the unit and finding ways to get pressure without superior pass rushers.
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This is hilarious:
http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/11/18/5115778/recap-redskins-24-16-loss-to-eagles-via-titanic-animated-gifs
From a Redskins blog, a recap of yesterdays game in animated gifs from Titanic. Their pain is our pleasure.
I’m waiting for GEagles’ full report from the game
Madness! Just madness…considering I went to bed at 4am Saturday, woke up at 7am, drunk by 11am..and slept for a twelve hour comma, I’m prob not your best source from a report..but I can say, I’m really proud of the crowd. It was a wild atmosphere. No booing(except for the horrible refs)..even in the 4th quarter, when they completed big plays, we just went silent, but as soon as we lined up for the next play and BRAMA bull Barwin and Meco started calling for crowd noise, every person at the Linc gave the defense every bit of vocal cords and banging on the seats as they had in them. It was ROCKIN..my hands hurt and I literally have no voice…this is the only way I can even talk eagles football today
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I had a really close view of the action, and what sticks out was that RG3 should probably be dead if it weren’t for the refs allowing the skins Oline to get away with murder…how Nasty Cox,Thornton,Barwin,Cole,Vinny were at the LOS..and watching Donnie jones Boom punts was pretty amazing..That was a team win, and hopefully it’s the game we look back on and remember as the one that turned the corner..
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It was really odd feeling at the Linc. Thru all the heartbreak of our past, with the skins coming back, I really never got worried. Fans stood up and did it’s part no matter how deflating the play before was and it just felt like their was NO WAY this team was going to let us down…and as a philly sports fan that’s not a feeling I am accustomed to feeling…AWESOME game, and it’s amazing how Chip cleaned up Andy’s mess in 8 short months..we are probably firing at like 70% of what we can be. There is just no way that all these new faces are operating at their max after only being together for 8 months and it’s damn impressive what Chip has been able to instill…Injuries didn’t even matter…
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Funny how if the season ended today, Chip, Andy and Rivera would probably be the lead candidates for coach of the year
Hey GEAGLE, I will be at the Linc for the Lions game. Since I have only been to the Linc once before maybe you can recommend a nice sections for seats (I still need to buy my ticket)? And how is the premium chrysler section? Is it worth spending more money? Cheers, mate.
If you get can get tickets at face value, you can get a section 199, row 23 (seats 23 and 24 are isle seats) for $105 dollars…and there isn’t anything more than you can ask for then watching games from that section…It’s like the 45 yard line, 23 rows from the field…I might have looked at the jumbo tron 5 times all game because the view from the seats was awesome…ENDZONE seats are also a lot of fun, but if you have bad luck and there is little eagles redzone action the quarters where we are in your direction it can suck,….I like those sections better than luxury boxes, except the one with the full high class free buffet(can think of the name of the box) you eat your food at a table attached to the glass at the front of the box, awesome shrimp buffet lol
Thank you. Will you be at the Lions game too? Would be cool to catch up to rave about Foles. 🙂
Not an important question but is anyone else impressed with John Lynch’s commentating? I think he is one of the better talking heads.