PHI 24 , WAS 16

Posted: November 17th, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 263 Comments »

That was too close for comfort, but a big win nonetheless. The Eagles ended a long home losing streak. They essentially buried any hopes the Skins had of making a playoff run. And the Eagles claimed sole possession of 1st place in the NFC East.

Being atop the NFC East doesn’t have the cache that it used to. Nowadays it is the equivalent of being the smartest Burger King employee (a joke I can use since I once manned the Whopper station for part of a summer). Still, this team was 3-8 this time last year and all hope was gone. It might be a down year for the division, but I won’t apologize for enjoying seeing the Eagles in the top spot.

Today’s game was really like 2 games. The Eagles dominated the 1st half, leading 24-0 and basically having total control of the game. The Skins didn’t do much in the 3rd quarter, but they dominated the 4th quarter and made the game closer than it ever should have been.

Many fans are angry at Chip Kelly for getting too conservative in the 2nd half. Last week the Eagles put the game away with a workman-like running game. Kelly hoped to do the same thing this time, but the Skins played good D. One thing I wonder about is Nick Foles arm. It seemed to be bothering him in the 1st half. He didn’t throw much in the 2nd half and you wonder if that was the design of the offense or if his arm was really bugging him. I’ll need to watch the tape to check out his 2nd half throws.

The Eagles let this game get close, but still found a way to win. They pounded RG3 all game long and that paid off at the end, when he stupidly threw a ball up for grabs while under duress. Brandon Boykin made the pick to seal the win.

Trent Cole had 2 sacks. Connor Barwin had a strip sack and batted down a pass. They liked like the superior duo to Kerrigan-Orakpo. The Eagles defense was terrific at times. RG3 came alive in the 2nd half and was able to make some big plays in the passing game. Looked like the Eagles lack of top talent at CB was an issue. When a QB moves around and buys time, it becomes really hard to stick with WRs.

The defense has now held the last 7 opponents to 21 points or fewer. The Skins 16 points tied their season low. Scoreboard > yardage board.

Nick Foles and the offense looked great in the 1st half. Foles threw the ball short and intermediate, getting big plays both ways. Deep balls weren’t working but did stretch the defense and drew a couple of flags. Foles ran the ball well. He actually out-ran RG3 47 yards to 44 yards. Is that insane or what?

There is plenty to discuss about this game because of how the 2nd half went, but don’t lose sight of the fact the team won a tough game. Style points don’t count in the NFL like they do college football.

The Eagles now have a bye week, which they desperately need. This team has had some really banged up bodies in recent weeks. A week of rest is just what the doctors ordered. The team can get healthy as they prepare to stay in 1st place in the NFC East down the stretch. Sounds good, doesn’t it?

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  • Finlay Jones

    first 35 minutes, 31 run ratio, 348 yards, 24 pts. last 25 minutes, 75 run ratio, 48 yards, 0 points. Cmon Chip.

    • Jeff M.

      Fire Chip. Should have hired Mike McCoy.

      • Finlay Jones

        Chip is a great coach, and was wholly responsible for us being on the way to blowing them out. but it’s the 2nd time this season he’s let up too early. Hopefully he never does it again.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Especially against a guy that can move around & buy time.

          Chip: Note to self, keep foot on gas through 3.5Qtrs against RG3.

          • jshort

            think he just likes effin with Shannahan

          • Maggie

            Why NOT save the heroics for next time? When the opponent may be tougher? Save your players’ bodies, too.

        • SteveH

          I think its funny that both times we really let off the gas too early it was against the Skins. Was like groundhog day, only this time it was worse.

      • double_z

        really?

    • Maggie

      Some people on this board just aren’t happy unless they’re whining. Some of the eagles were a bit banged up. Can’t you read? Some of the opposing team are pro football players, who were not about to lie down and die. AND, every team has uneven games, or games where they are fortunate to win. Grow up.

      • Finlay Jones

        Huh? What’s not grown up about, imo, legit criticism of a coach, while also in the same thread reiterating I think he’s a good coach? You know when discussing football, you are allowed to criticise things. I don’t think we were fortunate to win, and the only reason we had an uneven game was due to Kelly deciding to go totally conservative.

        • Anders

          Or maybe the Eagles players just didnt execute as well?

          • Finlay Jones

            I thought chip was renowned for his in game adjustments? If the run game wasn’t working (2 total first downs in 25 minutes vs 31st scoring D), couldn’t he have gone back to the pass?

        • BlindChow

          Some people want to turn this into a compliments-only board. YOU’RE ON ALERT, PAL!

          • Anders

            When has I ever said that? All I said was that I thought a lot of people was overly critical of things and wants put blame on Kelly on things he had no control over (he isnt the one getting flagged or not executing)

  • SleepingDuck

    Nick said that he got dinged up a little and was trying to keep his arm warm by moving it around in between plays.

  • Baloophi

    Yeah that second half… it really felt like I was watching a different game. Like, it suddenly looked like Detroit vs. Pittsburgh.

    • laeagle

      I was on a call with Directv about to bitch them out. Finally the game started working on the 700 channels.

      Dumb, dumb, dumb decision by Fox to shift to a meanless, non division (non conference!) game in the 3rd. Dumb.

  • Daniel Norman Richwine

    I biiiiiig play by the skins, and a couple of big 3rd down stops lead the game being close. could have easily been a 4Q snore. Chip was right to play it safe.

  • ACViking

    Re: Boykin in the Slot

    T-Law:

    I hope you’ll talk more about why — when the Washington team — is going with just two WRs, Boykins on the bench in favor of Roc Carmichael.

    Why wasn’t Boykin on the outside and then moving inside against a 3-receiver set?

    I’m sorry, but I don’t understand the reasoning of Davis or the DB coach.

    Are they afraid Boykin’ll develop bad habits?

    Light on this subject, please?

    • deg0ey

      To quote Billy Davis from earlier in the week:

      “It’s in our opinion as a staff and my opinion that I need Boykin to be a great nickel, and we feel as a staff that it lessens his ability to play nickel if he’s playing corner and nickel every down both inside and outside.

      Some guys can do it in the NFL, and I just believe right now for Boykin to be the best nickel — because I need a dominant nickel in there for all the third downs and two‑minutes — and it was better for us putting Roc outside and handling that. Kind of compartmentalizing their roles to make them better at each role, and I felt that was the way it was going to be best for all of us, and I think it did work out.

      Boykin had a great game as a nickel, and I think Roc played a nice job outside at corner. A nickel is a starting position on this defense, and I want Boykin to be great at it.”

      http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/boykin-sees-himself-more-slot-corner

      • deg0ey

        And to get Chip’s perspective (from the same article):

        “They’re two totally different positions, playing the nickel corner and playing the outside corner,” he said. “It’s like ‘Why doesn’t Connor Barwin move to inside linebacker when Mychal Kendricks goes down?’ Outside linebacker and inside linebacker are two totally different positions. Nickel corner and outside corner are two different positions.”

        The overall feeling I get from these comments is that if Roc was performing like Jaiquawn Jarrett then Boykin would be out there, but since he’s putting together some decent play then they’d rather let BB stick to the one thing.

  • DarthBanner

    Another blown challenge opportunity by Chip and co. What is the excuse this time? The home stadium didn’t get you the replay? Big win, but the obvious coaching mistakes must stop.

    • Anders

      I think Kelly is saving them for high leverage situations. I dont think he sees an 8 yard gain on a first down from the skins 20 yard line as that

      • DarthBanner

        That would hold water if he didn’t miss two challenges on critical plays last week. I realize its not all Chip, which is why I said Chip and co. However Chip is the head coach, and whatever the system is currently it is failing them miserably, so its his call to fix it.

        • Anders

          They admitted they missed em last week.

          • DarthBanner

            And they changed nothing and had the same problems again, which makes it worse.

          • Anders

            When I say missed, they said they didnt get the right feed.

          • jshort

            Homer Simpson in replay booth,,,,some kind of deal with fox

          • DarthBanner

            Yeah? The dog ate my homework….

          • Anders

            to be honest, its pretty common for the away team to not have the right feed or the things not working. Of course cant use that at home.

        • deg0ey

          It holds water anyway – it’s two different issues. They missed some important challenges last week and that was bad. They chose not to use one of their challenges on a trivial call this week in case they needed it later and that’s a reasonable call.

          • BlindChow

            If they purposely didn’t use a challenge because they thought it didn’t matter, that’s one thing. But if they didn’t use a challenge because they had no idea he stepped out of bounds, that could be a continuation of last week’s issues, and therefore a legitimate concern.

    • Joe Minx

      That’s up to the people in the booth, probably Shurmur. Chip doesn’t know what to do in that situation unless they tell him. It’s inexcusable though.

  • bdbd20

    I actually like the conservative gameplan in the 2nd half. Many things had to happen for Washington to tie. Chip played the percentages. Certainly it could have backfired, but he won the game (and the earlier Wash game also).

    • Jerry Pomroy

      Don’t mind the conservatism, but need the RBs running North/South to sustain drives in second half of you’re trying to protect lead.

      • xeynon

        Indeed. I was more pissed at Shady for trying to turn everything into a spectacular 65 yard TD rather than just taking what was there and settling for grinding things out with 3 and 4 yard runs than I was at the playcalling. It was like he wanted to be Barry Sanders when would have been better off with Emmitt Smith.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          I believe Brown also tried to go wide left & got caught in the backfield for a loss & it forced us to punt. It’s an all too common issue. Square your shoulders & hit the gaps. Against the inside zone the key for defenders is to get into the backfield as quickly as possible.

          We’ve got Shifty Shady & Be-Bop Brown, but we need a situational pound it up the gut back that can knock defenders back.

          • bdbd20

            The only issue that I had with the backs was the 4th and 1. The call was not the greatest either. If we convert that, chances are we kick a FG and the end of the game is a moot point.

          • xeynon

            Yeah that is a fair point. I never want to see them line up in the shotgun on 4th and 1 again. That’s a situation where old time football with three TEs in the game and a lead blocker in the backfield (Casey could do it as he played some FB for the Texans) is preferable to gimmickry.

  • Joe Minx

    We’re still getting KILLED by in-breaking routes & slants. Honestly if I were an opposing OC I would dial them up on every series because we haven’t shown that we can stop one yet.

  • ACViking

    Re: Nick Foles

    I like watching him in this offense. I really like Foles in the 2-minute drill. He’s so comfortable.

    (I thought he was more comfortable today than any previous game — but that seemed to change when he stopped throwing the ball.)

    But I’m watching Seattle v. Minn. Russell Wilson’s combination of mobility, arm-strength, and accuracy are impressive.

    Oh well. I expect Roseman to add someone like that in May 2014.

    • xeynon

      If Foles keeps playing this well, adding a quarterback is not going to be the top priority, for a few reasons. First, there are other, more pressing holes on the team. Second, guys with Russell Wilson’s combination of attributes tend to be top 5 picks and this team isn’t going to have one of those in the 2014 draft.

      • jshort

        hehehe notice AC didn’t mention what round, or they could resign Vick in May

      • BlindChow

        RG3 was thought to have those qualities, and he’s been more up-and-down than Foles.

        Really, I don’t think Kelly abandons Foles if he keeps the offense rolling like this, unless someone unexpectedly falls to us. Maybe he drafts a project in the later rounds.

        • Baloophi

          Agree here, per my rambling/rhetorical response to Xeynon…

      • Baloophi

        And even when those guys are top 5 picks, they’re not a sure bet (as evidence, consider where Wilson himself was drafted).

        AC and I were talking draft last week and I brought up Russell Wilson in a hypothetical:

        If you could somehow simply steal him and insert him into our offense, how much better do you think the team would be? Second question: Is that improved performance (however you define it) worth the risk, the resources, and the opportunity cost to pursue when there other areas of the team we could improve?

        • ACViking

          I think about a Russell Wilson only in the context of what I believe Kelly really wants — or ideally wants.

          Whether Kelly, in reality, goes after someone like Wilson is a separate question, I think.

          • Baloophi

            Very fair. I have some thoughts on that from a different angle… writing into a new post above…

          • Anders

            I find it hard to really evaluate Wilson. He rarely stands in the pocket and goes through his progression

          • xeynon

            Ideally, I’m sure Kelly wants a 6’6″, 275 pound quarterback who bench presses 500 pounds, runs the 40 in 4.25, can throw the ball on a line 80 yards in the air, shrugs defenders off like flies, and knows offensive football so well he can predict what the defense is going to do on every play. It’s not a question of “ideally” though, it’s a question of “realistically and at reasonable cost”. If Foles develops into a Pro Bowl-level passer with enough functional mobility to keep the defense honest, I’m sure Chip will settle for that and concentrate on improving the defense or injecting some youth into the offensive line instead.

        • Jerry Pomroy

          Considering the package (King’s ransom) that WASH paid to move up and grab RG3, that being three 1st rounders & a 2nd. No thanks. I think we’d be much better served keeping those to build this team from within & then if you do end up needing a QB, you take a shot AFTER you’ve added young talent.

          But what if you don’t need a QB after you’ve addressed other positions via the draft? Ahh, then the grass looks oh so much greener.

        • BlindChow

          Wilson has had some rough games, looking at his stats over the year. Hard to say how he’d be doing if he had our defense (and home stadium) instead of Seattle’s.

    • SteveH

      Gotta wonder about the arm thing, looked to be bothering him a bit in the second half. I thought he threw the ball well in the 2nd half too though. I think we eased up on the tempo and that took the whole offense out of its rhythm.

    • shah8

      Oh, man, I was stunned by some of Wilson’s passes. That one to Harvin, and that Golden Tate TD at the end of the half. Complete accuracy and touch by like, maybe 2 inches, and certainly less than six.

      • shah8

        I was decidedly traumatized by Ponder yet again. Outside of one play, one of his worst games…

  • Howard Humetewa

    Is it just me, or is Cary Williams playing horribly right now? I get his toughness and the need for that, but he’s a liability in coverage, and is non-existent in run support

    • Finlay Jones

      He sucks…. but he’s better than aso and drc last year. A legit need for the team, though.

      • Michael Winter Cho

        I was performing at an Art Fair in Tempe, AZ today and I saw some guy in an Eagles jersey. He turned around and it was an Asomugha.

        • Baloophi

          Was he eating alone in his car?

        • BlindChow

          That could’ve actually been Asomugha.

          • Baloophi

            Now that’s REALLY lost in coverage…

            Though I’m sure it was Coleman’s fault.

        • sprawl

          Pro shopping tip here.

          If you’re ever at a grocery checkout line and there’s a guy in front of you with a Nnamdi jersey you’re technically allowed to walk right by him.

          Don’t be alarmed when he starts pointing at other shoppers though…

        • sprawl

          Pro shopping tip here.

          If you’re ever at a grocery checkout line and there’s a guy in front of you with a Nnamdi jersey you’re technically allowed to walk right by him.

          Don’t be alarmed when he starts pointing at other shoppers though…

    • Anders

      Garcon had 6 catches for 68 yards with Williams covering him most of the time.

    • Jerry Pomroy

      I now live in Baltimore area & when we signed him, the Ravens fans didn’t fret b/c of his inability to play man coverage & consistently get beat in pivotal downs. Their words.

      He’s not a lockdown corner & likes to keep everything in front of him because he’s a better tackler than he is one on one in coverage.

    • xeynon

      He’s not a very talented cover man and certainly won’t shut down an elite receiver, but he plays hard, competes, and is a sound tackler. I’d rather have a guy like that than a supremely athletic-but-soft player like DRC.

      • Howard Humetewa

        I didn’t like the way he took himself out of a run by Morris, just buried his head in the receivers chest and Morris ran by, no instinct to find the ball.

    • SteveH

      He was never a good cover guy, we knew that going into the season, but I think his tackling and run support has been fine. He’s just a stopgap player anyhow, low salary vet to hold down the fort until more talent comes in.

    • jshort

      Plans on paying off his house and sconces with his playoff and SB money

    • bsuperfi

      CB is a position where we need a serious upgrade. Assuming we don’t target QB early, I’d be surprised if CB wasn’t a mega early pick for us.

  • Corry

    That’s a game we found a way to lose last year, but still, that was way too close for comfort.

    In the first half, it just felt like we were watching something special with the way Foles was playing. It was great to see, but man did that come to a screeching halt. I thought Chip went way too conservative, but McCoy was just as guilty for trying to turn everything into a big play. Sometimes just getting 1 yard is better than the alternative.

    I can’t overlook the fact that the OLine started to play poorly as well. Lots of teaching points, but man does it feel good to still be relevant in November.

  • Anders

    One thing for sure. Eagles fans are the most negative fan base in the NFL. Even after a good win, is most of the talking about nitpicking things.

    ENJOY THE FUCKING WIN!!!!

    • BlindChow

      HOW DARE YOU DISCUSS THE GAME ON A GAME-DISCUSSION FORUM!!!

      Seriously, though, I wouldn’t call this a “good” win.

      • Anders

        Okay to talk about the game, but an outsider would think we got destroyed and Kelly is the worst coach in the history of the NFL.

        • BlindChow

          Are we really worried about what outsiders think?

          People have concerns about the team (the defense collapsing big time in the 4th, the questionable challenge process, the inability to move the ball late in the game), and it makes sense they want to share those concerns.

          If you wish to challenge their questions, go ahead, or seriously, just ignore them. But come on, saying people should just shut their traps because they’re harshing your buzz? Bottling up emotions is what causes people to shoot up their workplace, yo!

          • Anders

            it was a metaphor.

            also people are fucking complain just to fucking complain.

            We have no problem moving the ball in the 4 qrt against the Packers or Bucs, so we had a little problems today?

            My problem is people are completely ignoring why we didnt move the ball and just complain about it.
            If people didnt buy into the BS thing about letting the foot of the gas (we didnt do the stand around thing until the 11 min left in the 4th) and actually looked at all those penalties or the crappy execution even when we ran the hurry up in the 3rd quarter.

          • BlindChow

            I got the sense that the playcalling got very conservative in the 3rd quarter (the run-pass balance shifted heavily towards the run when it wasn’t effective). This happened in the first Redskins game as well. We’ve lost games this way, and this one came very close, and it’s understandable to me that fans were stressed during the final quarter and feel it was avoidable, considering how great the first 3 quarters looked.

            But I definitely agree better execution was a major part of why the running wasn’t working (for that matter, even the passes seemed to always be short of the first down marker; I don’t know if that was Foles not wanting to turn the ball over or what).

            Even so, my response to you wasn’t about you disagreeing with people. It’s that you were yelling at them to STFU because they had a different opinion in the first place.

          • laeagle

            See, I think that’s the crux of the issue. Was it actually a case of conservative play calling, or poor execution? Everyone wants to say it’s conservative play calling, but what does that mean? Lots of runs? I don’t think running is necessarily an indicator for “conservative” play calling, not in a Chip Kelly offense.

            The issue is that Washington came storming back, and people want to assume that it’s because of “conservative play calling”, when that is not necessarily the case, or borne out by the facts. Not saying it is or it isn’t, just that people are jumping to the assumption because it’s convenient and they’re naturally pessimistic.

          • BlindChow

            I think the game reviews will be instructive in these cases. Were there obvious failures by the linemen keeping the run game from flourishing? Did Washington just have too many guys in the box? And do you keep trying to run even when the run isn’t getting you first downs?

            What is undeniable is the playcalling shifted heavily towards the run in the 2nd half, so it was clearly a shift in strategy. Trying to run out the clock (which worked against TB and OAK) would be the obvious explanation; would that not fit under the definition of “conservative?”

          • laeagle

            I think running out the clock would fit under the definition of “smart”.

          • BlindChow

            “Smart” and “conservative” aren’t mutually exclusive.

            I’d say running out the clock is considered smart because of its conservatism. But it only works if you don’t keep going 3 and out.

          • Anders

            We did seem to run into a lot of 7 man boxes, something we normally do not do.

            I say play calling got a little to run heavy and we simply didnt execute the called plays. We had several 1st downs called back because of penalties and then we wouldnt get the next one. That really hurts any offense.

      • Cafone

        I go to the games. Try the ride home from the stadium for over a year of losses and then tell me this wasn’t a good win.

      • Anders

        Also what wasnt good about? Outside the FB catch, the D look really good and the offense was deadly for 3 quarters.

      • laeagle

        I certainly don’t think it’s a bad win. A bad win was the first washington game. This was the case of a good offensive team waking up, and our defense shutting them down. At the end of the day, we held a top 5 offense to 16 points. I fail to see any real reason for disaster, and this was not the case of “backing off”. Merely some imperfections in execution by our offense in the second half (close but not quite there), and a solid effort to keep the dogs at bay.

        I think it’s fine to criticize the team. I just don’t see nearly as much to criticize as other people in this case. This was NOT the same as the first Washington game. It bore a vague resemblance, but this was simply not in the same league in terms of being a “collapse” of any kind.

        • BlindChow

          Yeah, I wouldn’t say “bad” (since they performed well for 3 quarters), but I wouldn’t say “good,” either.

          Actually, it was VERY close to the defensive collapse of the first Redskins game. 16 points (two 2-pt conversions!) in the 4th quarter, and they were easily driving for another 6 with a chance to tie. Obviously, Boykin came through, but for me a “good” win doesn’t involve a struggle to hold back a 3-6 team until the final minute of the game.

          • laeagle

            It’s a good win to me when it’s against a very good offense, we’re down 3 of our best players in coverage on D, and (most importantly) it’s a division game. A 3-6 record doesn’t mean NEARLY as much in divisional games. Not in the East. Never has.

          • BlindChow

            I’d probably agree with you if the Eagles hadn’t been so dominant for the first 3 quarters. The fact it got close at the end was the let-down for me.

            Remember, besides having a great offense, they also have one of the worst defenses in the league; we couldn’t move the ball at all against them in the 4th.

          • laeagle

            Let’s be clear: I’m not happy with the offensive production in the 4th quarter. I think it’s a matter of execution rather than some kind of systemic flaw of Kelly’s, though. And I’m not going to get mad at them for not being super awesome for 1 quarter when they were so good for 3.

            My point is that there is room to improve, and the team should focus on improving execution, rather than trying to find some sort of major flaw with the coaching or team.

          • BlindChow

            Eh, has anyone said it was a systemic flaw? Does Kelly’s system demand they increase their run percentage in the 3rd quarter?

            I guess “not being super awesome” is one way to describe the awfulness we saw in the 4th…

      • Midnight_Greenville

        Personally, I don’t think there is win that isn’t “good” or loss that isn’t “bad.” I’m willing to accept that some wins are “great” and some losses are “horrible” but that’s really just a matter of degree. I would certainly be interested to hear a rational definition for a win that isn’t good.

        And, if you can do that, I would be even more impressed if someone could find a way to define this win–with the pressure of the home losing streak, with first place on the line, in a division game, missing 3 key defensive starters against a top 5 offense–as anything but extremely good.

    • OregonDucker

      Yeah, perfection is demanded but not possible. The Eagles always have chance with Shady, Djax, and Foles in the game. Not to mention an opportunistic D.

      • Michael Jorden

        Totally agree. Most people get that this is a flawed team right now. They’re building, new coach new schemes, some players fit and some are stop gaps. We’re not going to be perfect, but the performances that they have put together have flashed what we might expect in the future. Honestly, they’re performing way better than I would have imagined.

    • ACViking

      And after a loss? We should be limited to wallowing in self-pity?
      ________________

      I like discussing the nitty-gritty of what I saw (or think I saw) and viewing the game in the broader context of the season and the off-season.

      But that’s just me.

      I’ve already lived through 3 epochs in Eagles history of “just enjoy” the wins.

      • Anders

        Its okay to discuses the game, but some of the comments on here, twitter and BGN, are really depressing.

        Rather talk right after the win and then we can talk negative during the week about what could be changed.

        • ACViking

          A –

          The reason I comment on this blog almost exclusively is precisely for the reason you just outlined.

          (I was kidding about the wallowing comment. I hope you understood that.)

          I like your thoughts, comments, and push back.

      • Always Hopeful

        Amen!

    • jshort

      my 3yr old gasped when he read that….how dare you say nitpicking.

  • Baloophi

    Really impressed with the defense. Sure, things got dicey near the end, but this is the NFL… there will be no second half white flags from the opponent.

    Remember, no Kendricks, no Bradley Fletcher, no Wolff…

  • Baloophi

    Also, Connor Barwin for President?

    • ACViking

      He has kind of a presidential name — in a Grover Cleveland, Chester Arthur, Franklin Delano Roosevelt sort-of-way.

      • Baloophi

        I’m just saying there’s room here… on the outside, obviously.

        • Baloophi

          And, ironically, he has been rushing more.

          • ACViking

            Clearly on the outside. Cincinnati, Ohio connection may explain the boost.

          • Baloophi

            Barwin born in Detroit, which would make him the first native-born Michigan president (Ford was actually born in Nebraska).

            Of course, had Barwin been born in Ohio, he would be the ninth President to hail from the buckeye state.

            This mercifully concludes our Connor Barwin / Presidential history for the day…

          • ACViking

            Okay, I can take a hint.

          • xeynon

            On a Presidential note, it’s about time Pennsylvania produced another one. Having James Buchanan, the Brad Goebel of Presidents, as your lone native to occupy the White House is a sad state of affairs.

          • D3FB

            Dickinson College alumni standup!

    • laeagle

      Man, Barwin, Cox, and Ryans are all coming on strong. And Cole, too! It’s nice to see some of the potential get realized for once.

    • xeynon

      Actually, I think Barwin has a future as a sitcom actor. He’d be great as the wacky neighbor who’s always barging in uninvited and interrupting the main character’s attempts to get work done, romance women, etc.

  • Anders

    HAHA, Seahawks fans are hating on me for saying Wilson isnt that good consider the team he plays on

    • SteveH

      I’d love to see Wilson on a team that didn’t have the kind of run game he has. I feel like almost everything he does is only possible because they can run the ball smash mouth style at will.

      • Anders

        yea, I also dared to tell them that most of Wilson’s offense came on him scrambling around. When its what he does.
        Difference between Wilson and Vick is simply Wilson makes smart decisions after scrambles where Vick often made terrible ones.

      • BlindChow

        He’s had some bad games this year. Most have been wins anyway. I think his defense has a lot to do with it, too.

        • Anders

          He have had several bad games, but his stats have still looked good because of a few miracle plays.

          A lot of Wilson’s play reminds me of the Foles Packers game.

    • ACViking

      A –

      I don’t disagree too much. But the show he put on in Atlanta last post-season was damned impressive.

      On the other hand — and this may explain how the Eagles rated him a 3rd Rounder — he couldn’t complete a simple sideline pass at the 2012 Senior Bowl.

      I like his mobility and calm, though.

      • Anders

        As I just said below. Wilson is very much like Vick, except with less arm strength (tho Wilson’s is more than good enough) and Wilson actually makes good decisions when he scrambles.

        Right now Wilson is simply not going through his progression like a Luck or Foles

  • Baloophi

    How good is LeSean McCoy?

    I ask not in a fashion that begs for superlatives, but because I’m curious how important his specific ability is to this offense.

    Nick Foles ran for 44 yards today using intelligent keepers off the read option (as he did judiciously during last week’s 9:32 drive to seal the win). He was able to do that because defensive ends were completely selling out to stop McCoy… after McCoy had danced around them all game.

    If we had an average running back, theoretically those yards wouldn’t have been available to Foles. I like Foles and want to seem him continue as the starter… BUT, if McCoy went down or magically aged between this year and next, how much would that affect Foles, both as a passer and as an infrequent but frustrating “first down” runner?

    Relating to posts below about Chip’s ideal quarterback and Russell Wilson, I wonder if we didn’t have McCoy, whether Kelly would have a greater yen for a mobile quarterback. I believe Chip when he says he can make whatever he has works (and we’re seeing that in action), but I really wonder if the calculus changes dramatically without a star running back.

    • ACViking

      You have posed a question I’ve asked in prior game-day comments that have been lost in the string.

      It’s a huge question. Huge.

      Sonny Corleone Huge

      • Baloophi

        A lot of gold gets lost in the string. Apologies if I’m poaching your query, but it will be imperative when approaching the draft, huh?

        This will, of course, be great fodder for the bye week…

        • ACViking

          B–

          I’m really glad you’ve raised the question in a post-game calm. No apology necessary at all. At all.

          Keep asking . . . because so many offensive yards come off of ankle-breaking plays by McCoy that can’t be duplicated by anyone in the NFL or college.

          It’s a critical question that definitely touches on:

          1. QB, and

          2. Slot Receiver — whom I think will be DeA Thomas next year for the Eagles if they can get him. The guy looked great against Utah as a slot receiver this past Saturday.

          • mksp

            Think DAT falls to 2nd round? Can’t imagine using our first rounder on him.

          • ACViking

            Who knows where the Eagles will pick.

            And how Roseman sets the board . . . based on Kelly’s criteria.

            Kelly’s dictates may elevate DAT to a late 1st.

            He’s on a different page than the rest of us.

          • Baloophi

            I think – to step away from McCoy for a second – the importance of an effective run game not only impacts QB and Slot (as you wisely suggest), but also the relative importance of the OL.

            If the success of your offense is critically dependent on an above-average run game, and you can never ensure (or insure!) a healthy McCoy or a steady stream of uber-talented RB’s, then should you commit resources to refresh, and maintain a young and athletic OL?

          • ACViking

            Damned great point about the O-line.

          • Michael Winter Cho

            It’s interesting that a month ago, the conversation was whether Vick was necessary for Shady to work; now, somehow Shady is necessary for Foles to work. Maybe the answer is you need talent, somewhere, to win in this league.

          • Baloophi

            Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to fold that discussion into this one, but it got twisted in my noggin.

            And good call about talent! That seems to be important no matter how you slice it.

            That being said, I think it’s clear (by now) that you don’t need a mobile quarterback for Shady to work in this offense. But I guess – to your point – the question is almost “do you need a Shady for anything in this offense to work?”

          • laeagle

            I think the notion of Shady requiring a mobile quarterback to work was and is complete and utter nonsense. I don’t know how people got stuck on that. The list of successful running backs without mobile quarterbacks is FAR longer in NFL (present and history) than the list of those without a mobile quarterback.

          • Anders

            People based it on his yard per carry with Kolb and Foles over Vick. He had a pretty significant split (over 5 with Vick and under 4 with Kolb/Foles before this year)

          • Baloophi

            I’m surprised people were even using actual statistics! I assumed the “McCoy can’t run without Vick” arguments we’re all built around a misunderstanding of the read-option and a false understanding of the Chip Kelly offense requiring a mobile QB…

          • ICDogg

            You need enough talented players to make it work, but I don’t know if they have to specifically have Shady’s particular skill set.

          • laeagle

            I think it’s all about the O-Line. I think their consistency this year has been a major factor in our success. And last year proved the converse, much to our collective dismay.

        • bsuperfi

          Shady’s one of the best backs in the NFL, maybe even no. 2 behind AP. But I don’t think you need someone on Shady’s level to make the offense “work”. He’s explosive but gets caught dancing too much (maybe like Chip’s offense in general). Along with the O-line, he clearly makes the passing game better. Though a back like Morris wouldn’t be so bad either.

          Here’s the thing: good QBs and RBs and O-line make each other better all the time if they’re working in a coherent system. If Shady breaks in a few years and Foles is still around, Foles is going to be better and defenses will need to adjust accordingly (opening up more for the run game).

          Sure, Kelly’s system is founded on the zone runs. Though with Foles, it seems to be slowly morphing (at least in emphasis). It’s the NFL, and passing plays and packaged plays with passes out of similar formations are tossed in liberally.

          There’s no easy answer to this question, but I tend to think it all starts with the QB/Point Guard, at least at this level.

    • Crus57

      While it’s not a perfect comparison because of differing playcalls etc., comparing Bryce Brown’s production and McCoy’s is a good place to start when making a case for how good Shady is.

      • ACViking

        Not a question of how good McCoy is.

        I think (unless I misunderstood), the question is what if McCoy was bear-napped by aliens tomorrow.

        What happens to this offense?

        And what kind of QB does Kelly want?

        • Baloophi

          Exactly. And to Crus57′s point, we can try to project when Shady is out of the game, but the real key would be to see Kelly’s game-planning sans McCoy, and its relative success

    • anon

      I think the whole scheme is based on the run. But frankly he’d just have to be servicable even a guy like A. Mo, E. Lacy, D. Martin, etc would be fine b/c usually we run between the tackles and you have to get those contested yards. Shady however is the most fun to watch.

  • McNabbulousness

    great fucking win, and i think we’ve got a great shot at kicking Bye’s ass next week!

    • Baloophi

      Let’s take it one bye at a time…

    • xeynon

      The early line has the Eagles favored by 5.5 over the bye week. I won’t be comfortable until I know whether it’s going to be held at the Linc or on the road however.

  • Weapon Y

    We won’t ever really feel safe with a lead (unless it’s a monster lead) until the Eagles get a corner who can play press coverage on the outside. The “Bend but don’t break strategy” is a good expedient, but in the long run, offenses will eventually put together a big drive with a bunch of small plays. It’s nice having corners who can take away the deep ball (unlike Nnamdi and DRC), but it would be much better to have a dominant guy who can jam guys at the line of scrimmage. CB and OLB are my two biggest priorities this offseason.

    • McNabbulousness

      agree, and it didn’t help anything by having fletch and kendricks out

      • Michael Jorden

        Or Wolff. I’m not too confident in Chung, Coleman or Anderson for extended amounts of time. You could argue that we missed him as much or more than Kendricks or Fletch with the play of Najee Goode and Roc C. Will be glad to get Wolff back when he’s ready.

  • jshort

    Love watching our D play in that small deadly space, inside the 10

    • McNabbulousness

      the dreaded compressed accordion

  • ACViking

    Re: Speaking of Space

    Carey Williams gets relentless grief from lots of commenters.

    But in the RZ, he doesn’t seem to get victimized much at all.

    Not too many folks in these part remember Herm Edwards the CB for the Vermeil Eagles. The guy ran the 40 in 4.7. Couldn’t jump either.

    But he was big. 6’0″ 200lbs. In the RZ he was very tough. He lasted 9 years with the Birds. Very solid.

    (The Cowboys had a CB named Everson Walls. Attributes very similar to Edwards. A rookie free agent like Edwards. Lasted a long time in the NFL and — little remembered — is in 1990, Bill Parcells brought him to the NYG after Jimmy Johnson cut him. A smart player.)

    Thoughts?

    • ICDogg

      I think we can do better than Cary Williams, but he’s serviceable.

      • ACViking

        Maybe.

        Eagles fans said that about Edwards — but he was there for 3 playoff runs and a SB game.

        Cowboys fans said that about Walls, but the guy played in 3 NFC title games and 6 post-seasons, plus a Giants SB win.

        You just never know.

        • jshort

          Soooo, your saying Cary Williams will someday be the head coach of the Jets.

          • Baloophi

            MetLife Stadium could use some redecorating…

          • jshort

            The hall of sconces…

          • D3FB

            As long as he understands that you play to win the game.

    • Corry

      I’m OK with Williams. The scouting report on him coming in was that he gave up more than his fair share of completions, but was a solid tackler and a physical player. He’s lived up to that.

      We can upgrade on him, but he seems to fit in nicely with Bill Davis’ D.

      • BlindChow

        And he has made some plays this year. More than Nnamdi ever made…

    • A_T_G

      He is sort of an analogy for the team right now: tough, competitive, but upgradable.

  • ACViking

    Re: More on Boykin in the Slot

    I’m familiar with what Davis and Kelly have said about keeping Boykin inside — in the slot, that is.

    Their explanations (cited in comments above) are nice Hallmark Card-type rationales.

    I wouldn’t mind getting a more technical breakdown on the topic, that’s all.

    What exactly are the bad habits — because that has to be the concern — that Boykin will develop by moving outside on downs where the opposition has only 2 wideouts.

    If bad habits aren’t the concern, then what — beyond “we want him to be the best he can be,” which really tells me nothing of substance — is the justification.

    • Baloophi

      No matter what happens, we should rename him depending on where he plays…

      - Slotkin
      - Edgekin

      • ACViking

        Dr. Slotkin? A fine dermatologist in AC for many years.

        • Baloophi

          I’ll look him up next time I’m down the shore and need a skin tag removal or botox infusion.

          • ACViking

            He’s retired to that great office in the sky

          • Baloophi

            RIP, MD.

          • A Roy

            I thought Slotkin owned a deli in Sea Isle.

        • OregonDucker

          Correction: He was a proctologist.

    • BlindChow

      This might be the same situation as Curry. Perhaps Boykin’s not doing something the coaches want. Or maybe his size is a concern for them. I understand being curious, I guess, but I don’t necessarily need them to air their dirty laundry on the subject.

      • laeagle

        I think that Davis and Kelly were pretty darned specific about why they want to keep Boykin in the slot. Because they’re different skillsets and they want a strong slot guy. No mystery there.

        • BlindChow

          ACViking was asking why Boykin was on the sideline when the Eagles are in their base defense, especially with Fletcher out.

          That has nothing to do with why he’s in the slot when they’re in nickel.

    • anon

      Why does it have to be a bad habit? He’s our best slot corner and that’s an area where we’ve been vulnerable all year. I think the drop off in slot-play-ability is significant. Additionally, Boykin’s speed and size matches better there.

      Additionally i’d prefer not to put Boykin on tall receivers — even if he can jump out of the building.

  • Baloophi

    Oh, and just in case anybody missed it, there’s an all new “Sleepy Hollow” tomorrow night.

    • Anders

      Have you heard about that new show Almost Human?

      • Baloophi

        No! Tell me more!

        • Anders

          I think Fox should air more commercials with it.

          • A Roy

            There’s a new show?

      • sprawl

        Oh, that’s the new show with the @CleatusOnFox robot, right?

    • jshort

      Liked the one with Johnny Depp

    • laeagle

      There’s also an adorable, scrappy little robot that Fox has adopted as a mascot. If you look closely at the bottom of your TV screen at any given point in a game, you might see him casually tossing a football from robot hand to robot hand. I think it’s a great way to get robotics fans interested in the game!

      • Baloophi

        Hey! We’re finally on the same schedule!

  • jshort

    On what looked like a td to Cooper, Wondering why Chip doesn’t even think to challenge. Bah, screw it, run it in…..why waste the time

    • ACViking

      It was 1st down.

      He still had 3 chances to get a half-a-yard on the ground out of the shotgun.

      • anon

        yeah and good thing MB wasn’t in the game. Kelly generally gets As across the board both on and off the field, but he’s getting an F for challenging.

    • Baloophi

      Though a different scenario, it reminded me of rushing up to the line when Barkley fumbled.

      I think Kelly believes in catching the defense on their hells, for better or for worse.

      I’d love to see a risk/reward, “Eagles Rewind” style discussion about challenges. Losing time-outs is rough, but losing TD’s seems like it could be worse. Not an issue in this case, but let’s say we get a holding call, then a sack, and suddenly we’ve got a difficult Henery kick, and you’re look at 3 points instead of 7, etc…

      • jshort

        That’s what I was thinking…..fumble…anything can happen down there.

  • Buge Halls

    I just have to wonder where we’d be now if we hadn’t wasted four games with the other QB. Woe more wins maybe?

    • Anders

      If we had played like this for every game, we would be 10-1, maybe 9-2 or 8-3 because of those two Cowboys and Giants games

    • anon

      Obnoxious comment but we might have won the Chiefs game. I don’t think Foles would have played better than Vick in the Chargers game. The Broncos game is still an L.

      • Andy124

        Yup.

      • Anders

        But this new defense would have meant we won the Chargers game.

        Broncos game would be a lose 10 times out of 10

      • sprawl

        Fair comment…
        Remember Foles was actually 0 for 1 in the red zone against the Chargers! (injurygate)

    • xeynon

      Vick wasn’t what kept them from winning games early in the season. It was much more the defense.

  • OregonDucker

    I love the Eagles, man. They, to a man, are trying their best to improve. They play hard and are competitive. They’re also exciting as hell. We should all be proud of these guys.

    • ACViking

      OD:

      If you were around in 1976 — when UCLA’s Dick Vermeil arrived from the then-PAC 8 — you’d be be having deja vu all over again.

      No team played harder than those beleaguered and over-matched Eagles — in a pre-free agency era when teams like Dallas, LARams, Washington, the Vikings, Oakland, and of course Pittsburgh kept their great teams together for 10 years.

      • ICDogg

        That’s when I started to get obsessed with the Eagles.

      • OregonDucker

        I was around then, and always loved Vermeil. He loved his players and the game. The game took a lot out of Vermeil, but he stayed in it for the team. A hell of a man and coach. Chip is a lot like Vermeil, and they are personal friends.

        • ICDogg

          Vermeil was on the WIP pregame show today. There wasn’t a lot of substance to the conversation but he is enthusiastic about the Eagles’ progress under Kelly, and how they are starting to do the little things right.

        • ACViking

          I didn’t know you were as ancient as I am . . .

          • OregonDucker

            I’m a fossil AC but young at heart. This team keeps the blood flowing and hot!

    • disqus_jB7dl5fzvO

      Can I just ask you if you became a fan of this team when Chip came over (just curious because of your username)?

      • OregonDucker

        I’m a Chip fanboy but I thought the Eagles had talent that needed to be unlocked. A perfect blueprint for a revolution in the NFL. I wanted, in a small way, to be all IN for the wild ride. You guys deserve a winner. Now you have hope. (But remember it is a rebuilding year, so no Super Bowl talk yet!)

  • ian_no_2

    Nick Foles now has enough attempts to be the qualified NFL QB rating leader.

    Game MVP: Donnie Jones

  • Baloophi

    24-0 Eagles, 4th Quarter, 13:08 left on the clock
    4th and 1 Eagles at Washington’s 38 yard line

    Anders and I respectfully disagreed (I hope!) about going for it in this situation. Generally speaking, I’m all for a more aggressive approach to 4th and short, but given the three score advantage, time left on the clock, and performance of the defense, I think if I had the headset I would have punted. Even if it goes into the end-zone, you’ve “gained” 18 yards for your defense, which up until that point, had pretty much shut things down.

    What do others think?

    • BlindChow

      I think going for it is the right call, especially with such a lead. I have questions about the playcall itself, though that might be hindsight.

      If our defense had continued shutting them down, the 18 yards wouldn’t have made a difference either way, and if we had converted the 4th and 1, we’d take more time off the clock and (probably) widen the lead. Plus, I think the odds significantly support going for it there.

      • Andy124

        Agree on all counts. I think going for it is the right move there. Don’t care for the specific play call. QB sneak that all day long, especially with a 6’6″ qb.

        • Corry

          Or at least give the ball to Shady. I believe they ran Brown instead. Shady was attempting to bounce a lot outside, but when it comes to a play like that, I want my playmaker with the ball in his hands.

      • Baloophi

        The call was certainly rough… shotgun (AC’s favorite short-yardage alignment)… give to Bryce “Where’s the Sideline?” Brown.

        I certainly felt like it was the wrong call in the moment, but through sober analysis could be convinced otherwise.

        Would anyone have considered a 55 yard field goal? What if we had a better kicker? That would put you up 4 scores…

        • Anders

          a 55 yard FG is not automatic for any team and you give the Redskins even better field position (45 yard line instead of 38 yard).

          The Eagles have converted 83% in 3rd/4th and 1-2 yards to go. That is much higher chance of success than any kicker for 55 yards out (around 50-55% chance) add that on top of the Redskins been 25th in the NFL on defense on those situations and running with a power back like Bryce Brown is the right choice.

          • Baloophi

            Fair enough.

            Ignore the field goal option. I tossed that out there as yet another option that I hadn’t heard (if the goal is to put them out of reach, 4 scores is another option… I realize the low percentages).

            All of that being said, is there a yard line where you DO punt, even on 4th and 1? Everyone seems to be talking in absolutes re: 4th down percentages, but I assume nobody would advocate going for it on our own 20. But what if we’re on our own 38, or the 50? What’s another 12 yards if you’re okay turning the ball over at their 38?

            Please keep in mind that generally speaking, I’m all for aggression on 4th and short – NFL coaches don’t go for it nearly enough. BUT, the risk / reward calculation should shift not just in relation to field position, but to score and clock, no?

          • Anders

            People often talk about no mans land. That is around your own 45 yard line to the other teams 30-35 (depending on your kicker), where a FG is a low chance of succes and a punt is so few net yards (consider chance for touch back). In this area you should always go for 4th and 1. 4 and 1 or 2 yards from to score should also always be the choice. Before the your own 45 yard line and after the 30-35, it really depends on game situation or if you can rush it (so no meassuring) so you can surprise the other team

          • BlindChow

            Ooh, you should totally watch this video if you haven’t yet.

            The Coach Who Never Punts

            Fascinating story. Not sure it would work in the NFL, of course, but the theory behind it is mathematically sound.

            Also, and you may have seen this, but according to the Eagles Rewind 4th Down Decision Chart™, you go for it on 4th and 1 even at your own 1 yard line!

    • jshort

      Ahhh, I wanted them to go for it…right move would have been to punt. We were up by 24….Did come back to sort of bite.

  • jshort

    Did Shady go over the 1000 mark?….didn’t see his total.

    • Corry

      Yes, just over I believe. 1010 or something like that.

      • jshort

        Peters was only off by one game.

  • double_z

    dunno if this has been previously pointed out – too many comments, did a quick find n nothing – but to this point “One thing I wonder about is Nick Foles arm. It seemed to be bothering him in the 1st half. He didn’t throw much in the 2nd half and you wonder if that was the design of the offense or if his arm was really bugging him.” — somewhere in the 2nd quarter – i believe – the birds were @ about their 10/20 ish and nick was back in shotgun, and pre-snap he was working his arm in a throwing motion bout four or five times; like he was working out a kink or trying to loose up. actually thought that point to myself when i saw it, cause been there many times, as many of us here have, and thought to myself he dinged up. didnt connect 2 and 2 till reading tommy’s point above. wonder if its not related to the dallas debacle, and got aggravated somehow… just sprained my shoulder good bout 3 weeks ago, so can kinda relate, made me think…

    • P_P_K

      Saw the same thing with Nick and the arm movement. I can’t remember if that was before or after the killer sack by Fletcher.

      • BobSmith77

        It was the same drive and I think 2 plays after it. Kind of play where a QB can easy dislocate or at the very least get a bad stinger.

        • Anders

          It happened before. It was one of the first plays in the game where he threw deep for Cooper.

    • Anders

      Nick just said it was sore and he just did it too keep it warm.

  • CrackSammich

    Najee Good looks solid. Could be a starter in time.

    Carmichael doesn’t have it. That tells you all you need to know about Marsh.

    Chung is a noticeable step down from Wolff. Got abused in the passing game, and he was tossed like Coleman on some of the run stops.

    I’ve got no problems with Carey Williams. Sure you could find better, but he’s doing his job just fine. No lack of heart or try.

    • bsuperfi

      I’m not sure if Najee can rise to the level of more than adequate starter. But I’d sure like one of those LBs that is good on ST, can play multiple positions, and just acts like a leader. Guys like Ike Reese are hard to find.

    • OregonDucker

      Williams is tight in the Red Zone. Just something to keep in mind.

      • Baloophi

        Whoa! Are you his doctor??

        • OregonDucker

          Heehee, NO! But I’m sure there is a pucker factor at play.

    • Anders

      Carmichael looks like a solid dime CB and spot starter. That type of guy is needed. I would say his coverage is better than Williams overall.

      • BobSmith77

        RGIII was picking on him at will on the last TD throw and almost every play that drive he was looking over to see if Garcon or Moss are looked up with Carmichael.

        • Anders

          and any difference with Wiliams? Carmichael didnt give up any passes that Williams hasnt given up all year.

          • BobSmith77

            Carmichael was getting beat a lot today and RGIII’s shoddy accuracy especially on intermediate routes really saved the defense’s bacon in the 2nd half. RGIII missed at least 3 throws on that last drive including a sideline one to Moss where he would have had an easy TD.

            Long TD bomb Carmichael gave up he didn’t even look back at the ball once and really misplayed it. Just got burnt. I understand Carmichael is a guy who was thrown in there but he struggled today. RGIII and the Skins just weren’t able to take advantage of it.

          • BobSmith77

            Carmichael was getting beat a lot today and RGIII’s shoddy accuracy especially on intermediate routes really saved the defense’s bacon in the 2nd half. RGIII missed at least 3 throws on that last drive including a sideline one to Moss where he would have had an easy TD.

            Long TD bomb Carmichael gave up he didn’t even look back at the ball once and really misplayed it. Just got burnt. I understand Carmichael is a guy who was thrown in there but he struggled today. RGIII and the Skins just weren’t able to take advantage of it.

        • Insomniac

          Watching Sconces giving up 4-8 yards every time a WR does a hook or curl route kills me. He just doesn’t want to give up the deep ball.

  • Joseph Dubyk

    i know we are desparately missing defensive stars on our team…but.. man how great would it be to have Mike Evans in this offense?

    • Anders

      Would be fun. I admit Marques Lee, Watkins or Odell Beckham Jr would be fun as well.

      • Insomniac

        I like the other guy from LSU more than Beckham Jr.

        • Baloophi

          Shaquille O’Neal?

          • Insomniac

            Haha no. Jarvis Landry.

          • Michael Winter Cho

            When Shaq’s high school team won the State championship, he was asked to what he attributed the victory. “I attribute it to myself.”

        • Anders

          Landry for me is more of slot type wr. Nothing bad with that, but Beckham can line up both outside and inside.

          Reason I want Watkins or Lee is for WRs screens tho, both are deadly on those

          • Insomniac

            I just want someone to be reliable and we do need a slot WR that will do what Avant does. I see Landry as a Boldin/Avant type of guy, he’s probably faster than Boldin but it’ll be nice to have someone who’s physical for a change.

            For those that want to read more.

            http://withthefirstpick.com/2013/07/12/2014-nfl-draft-pre-season-breakdown-jarvis-landry-wr-lsu/

          • Anders

            be honest, there isnt that many WRs I would hate if we draft one. There is plenty good ones this year.

          • Anders

            What do you actually think of Allen Robinson? Seems like a big possession with RAC skills

        • Anders

          Landry for me is more of slot type wr. Nothing bad with that, but Beckham can line up both outside and inside.

          Reason I want Watkins or Lee is for WRs screens tho, both are deadly on those

      • Joseph Dubyk

        yeah.. we dont have serious needs at O line (age) and OLB and CB…but damn… DeSean + another stud WR is just mouth watering.

        • Anders

          Think about getting Maclin back and drafting a stud WR? OMG!!

  • Anders

    1 thing we should really implent more into this offense is pick plays. I know Denver is experts at it, but it really helps getting Welker free

  • Insomniac

    Thoughts on Orakpo? If he hits FA, I don’t think he’s worth more than 7mil a year. He’s getting up there in age and is putting up some mediocre production so far. I know he had like two sacks today but those were more coverage sacks than anything else.

    • Anders

      Its tough. I think he would be an upgrade over Cole and Graham. I would say Paul Kruger money (6 years, 42 mill, 15 mill guaranteed)

      Orakpo will be 28 next year, so 6 years might be too much. I would give him 4 years for 32 mill

      /edit Barwin is getting 6 mill per year and I say he is worth every penny and Orakpo is better than him as a pass rusher

      • CrackSammich

        Oft injured player on a down year, getting up there in age. Somebody
        will be stupid enough to pay him huge money, but I hope it’s not us. I’d
        love to have him on the team, but not for that kind of money.

        • Anders

          Is he often injured? Outside of last year, he had missed 1 game.

      • D3FB

        Barwin’s contract is structured extremely weird. He doesn’t make alot of money up front. All the money in the contract is the back loaded imaginary type that GM’s give agents to make the contracts look good. It’s only 8mil guaranteed.

        • Anders

          I know, same thing with Cole’s contract. Would bet an Orakpo contract would constructed in a similar fashion

          • D3FB

            Alot of teams just moved to the 3-4 and are looking for help. Somebody is going to overpay and give him stupid money. Saints, Texans, Colts, Jets, and Chargers could all be after him. If it’s a soft market I wouldn’t mind it but I’m not so sure it’s going to play out that way.

          • Anders

            true, hard to know. I think Orakpo gets around Paul Kruger money, with some funny stuff in the end (if he signs a 6 year deal, he will be 34 by the end)

      • D3FB
    • ICDogg

      Nah. Don’t want to go that direction.

    • Corry

      For the right price, sure. I’m not dropping a bunch of money on him though.

    • Corry

      For the right price, sure. I’m not dropping a bunch of money on him though.

  • Anders
  • Anders
  • makarov123

    Big news for Eagles fans all over – Next game is being flexed to Sunday night (replacing NYG – WAS).

  • BobSmith77

    The thing that impressed me the most today is that Foles forced maybe 2 ill-advised throws today. I don’t think he threw a single ball into tight double coverage all day.

    Additionally, there was only a single ill-advised scramble in the 1st half where he tried to extend a play and got clobbered by 3 Skins. Otherwise, he did a nice job of protecting the ball, sliding/failing or whatever you call it to avoid big hits, and not needlessly being careless with the ball while carrying it.

    Foles did hold on to the ball a couple of times too long today while taking a needless sack or two. Still take that over an ill-advised throw into tight coverage or scrambling around with the ball poorly protected.

    Thing that drove me crazy about watching Vick play was that he tried to force too many passes and was way too careless with the ball when he was scrambling or moving in the pocket.

    Such a nice change this year to see the Eagles on the positive side of the turnover ledger again after 2 years of being among the league’s bottom-dwellers.

    • Anders

      been plus in turnovers is a huge part of why we are winning games.

      • BobSmith77

        Yup. Not going to credit Foles as being some kind of master decision-maker yet and he is due to a bit of reversion on his % INT rate.

        Just nice not seeing the offense have those 2-3 turnover games that were common the last 2 years when Vick was the starter at QB. Just really hard to overcome regardless how good the rest of the team is.

  • BobSmith77

    The thing that impressed me the most today is that Foles forced maybe 2 ill-advised throws today. I don’t think he threw a single ball into tight double coverage all day.

    Additionally, there was only a single ill-advised scramble in the 1st half where he tried to extend a play and got clobbered by 3 Skins. Otherwise, he did a nice job of protecting the ball, sliding/failing or whatever you call it to avoid big hits, and not needlessly being careless with the ball while carrying it.

    Foles did hold on to the ball a couple of times too long today while taking a needless sack or two. Still take that over an ill-advised throw into tight coverage or scrambling around with the ball poorly protected.

    Thing that drove me crazy about watching Vick play was that he tried to force too many passes and was way too careless with the ball when he was scrambling or moving in the pocket.

    Such a nice change this year to see the Eagles on the positive side of the turnover ledger again after 2 years of being among the league’s bottom-dwellers.

  • BobSmith77

    RGIII cost his team the game today. Brutal throw at the end of the game off his back foot while falling down and missed a couple of throws on that last drive including Moss on the sidelines deep which was a surefire TD if he not thrown it 2 yards out of bounds.

    Poor touch on a couple of a number of his intermediate routes with a bunch of balls seemingly to either float on him a bit or drift higher than was advised. Also seems unsure of himself yet on whether he should run and when he finally decides to where he should go.

    Give the Eagles’ defense credit today though today especially in the first half when they were on the field for a long time (nearly 21 minutes) and gave almost nothing up except a couple of modest gains to Morris.

  • BobSmith77

    Did McCoy say what his injury was today? I thought for sure he had popped/strained his hamstring when he when down and clutching at it in the 1st half. Was it just a cramp instead?

    • Anders

      Consider he came back and looked good, it can only be a cramp. No way he makes those moves with a strained hamstring.