Loser’s Mentality

Posted: December 2nd, 2013 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 75 Comments »

This is so disappointing to find out.

The Arizona Cardinals have sent tapes containing about 15 plays from Sunday’s game to the league office for review.

“There were obviously problems in the ballgame,” said head coach Bruce Arians. “There are protocol to follow. We followed the protocol. We sent the tapes into the league office. [Vice President of Officiating] Dean Blandino does a great  job as far as being honest on the calls, and we’ll follow up more…on what will be done and can be done later, but that’s all I’ll say about the officiating in that ballgame. The proper channels have been followed, and there were obviously very many problems.”

Arians noted that the Cards submitted about 15 plays for review.

“That’s pretty high,” he said. “I think that’s considered a problem.”

Arians did at least follow up with this.

“As long as everybody owns up to it, you move on. It’s part of the game,” Arians said. “We’re here working our tails off this week, those guys are back at their other jobs.”

The officials made calls that hurt and helped both teams yesterday. Complaining about 15 of them? That sounds nuts to me. This comes off as whining. I don’t like it one bit and I’ll be pulling for the Cards to lose from here on out.

They got beat by a better team on Sunday. Own up to it.

I can see going nuts over one huge call in a game, but sending tape of 15 just doesn’t sit well with me. Really feels like sour grapes. I hope the Rams whip their ass next week and Bruce Arians is forced to send off a tape with 16 or 17 questionable calls.

What a bunch of crap.


75 Comments on “Loser’s Mentality”

  1. 1 theycallmerob said at 5:42 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’ll take our college coach over that crybaby any day.

  2. 2 Anders said at 5:44 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    The worst part is they apparently send tape of 100% correct calls like the late holding.

    I mean how sour of a loser can you be to complain about a correct call?

  3. 3 Buge Halls said at 7:50 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    If you would have watched the game instead of regurgitating what so-called sports “journalists” write, you’d have seen that the Cards defensive player yanked Casey’s jersey as he was going out on the hot read so Foles couldn’t hit him. That’s called holding 100% of the time!

  4. 4 BC1968 said at 8:00 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Huh? Why was that a reply to Anders?

  5. 5 BlindChow said at 8:01 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    We all know Anders is a closeted Cardinals fan. It’s about time someone called him out!

  6. 6 Buge Halls said at 8:02 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    He’s talking about complaining about correct calls. I just pointed out one of the calls that was obviously NOT correct.

  7. 7 Bobby Haines said at 10:36 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    you are misremembering. It was a correct call because the refs threw a flag on it.

  8. 8 theycallmerob said at 12:54 PM on December 3rd, 2013:

    you mean this one? [I feel like OregonDucker, just going to keep re-posting 🙂 ]

  9. 9 jackpotsdad said at 5:44 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Looks like the League office already gave him a response:

    Arians said the Cardinals sent in “about 15″ plays for the league to
    look at. He also said “I’ve already gotten most of the answers. I got
    them before I left the locker room (Sunday.)” Arians added those answers
    came “from New York,” i.e. the league office. And he admitted that he
    did not get any satisfaction from those answers. “I just get madder,”
    Arians said.

    From the Cardinals blog: http://blog.azcardinals.com/

    First the college offense thing and now sending tapes of plays. What a crybaby.

  10. 10 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:33 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    “not getting satisfaction from the answers” sounds an awful lot like “the league office agreed with the calls on the field” to me…

  11. 11 Scott J said at 5:47 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I bet we can find about 15 holding penalties on Arians pro-stye o-line that the refs didn’t call.

  12. 12 Anders said at 5:50 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Im not sure there is any “pro” about his OL.

  13. 13 D3FB said at 10:24 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Somehow they all are paid. That’s where the pro aspect starts and ends.

  14. 14 Richard O'Connor said at 5:48 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    How common is this sort of thing?

    Is it something coaches do all of the time but just don’t announce?

    I’ve heard that the league reviews the tape of every play to grade officiating already, so I don’t what the point is.

  15. 15 Anders said at 5:50 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Teams make those kind of reports after every game.

  16. 16 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:32 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    yes, i believe you are right. we only hear about them much later after the fact because someone leaks info or something like that. i’d guess that every team sends a tape of things from every game…. its routine. to send a tape, that is. not quite routine to complain about it to everyone…

  17. 17 TommyLawlor said at 5:53 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Common to send in tape of calls/plays you disagree with. 15? And making it public? Now it comes off as an excuse. Bad job by Bruce Arians.

  18. 18 BlindChow said at 6:06 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’m curious as to whether he was just responding to a question, or if he made a big deal about it on his own.

    I know the only thing Cardinals fans cared about after the game was the officiating, so making noise on this could have been fan service.

    But the way he fired shots at Kelly’s “college offense” before the game was probably a pretty good indicator of what type of coach he is.

  19. 19 sprawl said at 6:36 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’d wager he was answering a direct question from the media about the calls but that’s no excuse.

    Imagine how Chip would answer this question after a loss. He probably would say that the problem was because his team was trying to come from behind and failed to execute.

    If a reporter followed up for more details he MIGHT go as far as to say that there is an official process for handling that and they have people who follow that process.

  20. 20 Jason_E said at 5:51 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Exactly. My first thought was “What a crybaby.” Its not like they didn’t benefit from favorable calls/no-calls. They wiped a punt return TD off the board on a very questionable call, and you still couldn’t win. Shut up and take your medicine, Bruce.

  21. 21 pkeagle said at 6:21 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Before last week I kinda liked Tomlin and Arians,now………let’s say I won’t be crying when those two jerks are watching the playoffs on their sofas. (Actually Tomlin will probably stand just to the left of the sofa so that his wife can’t see the tv screen and Arians will start whinging about his kids leaving 15 potato chips on the ground)

  22. 22 Jernst said at 6:22 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Maybe I’m just a homer, but from the stands during the game (before the very end of the game) I thought the vast majority of weak calls went the Cardinals way. People in the stands were wondering who paid the Refs off for Arizona. The long punt return for a TD was moved back to the Eagles 30, Shady’s long run was turned into a ten yard loss, Fletcher got a 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalty for tackling someone to the ground. The refs were awful, but it’s not like it was one sided.

  23. 23 Duracell said at 7:38 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’m with you here. I understand that it has become standard for fans of the losing team to bitch about the fans. That said, I really thought, that if anything, the Cardinals got the better end of the calls. I could list 7-8 calls off the top of my head that shouldn’t have gone against the Eagles but did.

    It’s not only pathetic for Arians to complain the way he did, it was also wrong. I really wish the NFL publicized these reports, to show that probably most of these 15 complaints were unfounded.

  24. 24 Jernst said at 6:25 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Also, another unrelated tid bit from the stands. The muffed punt/fumbled punt return that the Eagles seemed to have recovered on the second fumble on the same play, that was later over turned…the home team video operator played the fumble in super slow motion over and over again on the jumbotron giving the Cardinals a clear view that their player was down before the fumble. Couldn’t believe how deep the problems with challenges go on this team, haha…talk about home field advantage, we totally nailed it there.

  25. 25 CrackSammich said at 9:07 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Turnovers reviewed automatically. No challenge necessary. Also, I believe the new rule is that the jumbotron shows the film that the ref is looking at under the hood, so I should hope that he was looking at it over and over.

  26. 26 Ark87 said at 6:29 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Totally agree T-Law.

    Shanny was pretty pissed about a much worse officiating situation than Arians, but you don’t hear him telling everybody he sent in the tapes to the NFL about it.

  27. 27 Maggie said at 6:58 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Washington had a REAL reason to call out the officials. I’m not a fan of theirs, but I was pretty steamed myself.

  28. 28 BlindChow said at 6:30 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    This actually makes the win just that much sweeter.

  29. 29 mksp said at 6:52 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Can pretty much guarantee Jimmy K is working on a post showing 15 instances where the Eagles could’ve gotten a better call. Short list to start:

    1) Calling back the punt return TD….why?
    2) No PI called on whomever was guarding Riley along sidelines when his arm was being held down.
    3) No PI called on whomever was guarding Avant on the corner route (that wasn’t a great throw by Foles).
    4) No holding called on like two Cardinals when Kendricks blitzed on Fitz’s long TD.
    5) PICK play to free up Floyd for the other TD.
    6) BS personal foul on Fletcher for “slamming” the Cardinal to the ground or whatever.

    That’s without even reviewing the game…..

  30. 30 BC1968 said at 7:57 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    That holding call on Fitz’s TD is what I was talking about to the whining cards fans on nfl.com. Nobody dwelled on it, moose the jackass wasn’t saying, oh my god! look at that! Moose didn’t scream about how that should be called back and there shouldn’t be a touchdown. Fuck that crying shit, I could find 15 plays that went against the Eagles if you give me a tape.

  31. 31 Rambler said at 4:01 PM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Thank you… That holding call was blatant during the Fitz TD. That was the one play in the game that I was actually yelling at the TV. I have no idea how that was overlooked. At live game speed it can be hard sometimes to see offensive holding, but that one was very clear as it happened.

  32. 32 Jordan said at 6:55 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Yeah, I officially hate Bruce Arians now. You’re the head coach, you’re supposed to be the leader of the team. You have to show some maturity in this situation. Would you want your team picking up the habit of making excuses?

  33. 33 P_P_K said at 8:53 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Right on the mark. This is the kind of behavior kids are warned against from the time you play little league or Pop Warner. You played, you lost, put on your big boy underwear and get on with it.

  34. 34 Vick or Nick said at 6:58 PM on December 2nd, 2013:


    I can’t even.

    A real head coach doesn’t dwell on what if. Not to mention his claim is completely bogus. They let the guys play at times and called penalties at times. It was very uneven. But so what? Way to teach your team to have short memory and focus on next weeks game.

    In Andy Reids tenure here, I don’t recall him once complaining about officiating.

    Reality check: own up to why you lost (turnovers on offense, couldn’t cover TE’s on defense)

    Get this clown out of here.

  35. 35 sprawl said at 7:32 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    “A real head coach doesn’t dwell on what if.”

    Watch out for the Cards regressing big-time from here on out.

  36. 36 shah8 said at 7:06 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I am not surprised, insofar as i saw a LOT of crying and whining this morning.

    As far as I’m really concerned:

    1) The very first thing: Teams obviously consider the passing game as the weak point of the offense. Either get more balanced in the approach against Kelly’s offense, or make the whole “Shady Must Die!” approach more productive in terms of minimizing points. I can see it, you can see it, nothing flashy going on in the passing game except a specific kind of conservatism. Doesn’t mean you can disregard the Eagles’ passing game!

    2) Nobody wins games with a minus three TO ratio–unless they’re lucky, or a good team having a bad streak–say, last two years of P. Manning have three TO early, and then smacking around defenses in the second half. Carson Palmer is not P. Manning–particularly in not consistently making easy throws he should make. I give a lot of shit about Foles not doing harder passes, but Foles does a extremely good job of getting the plays he should make (well, a few bad throws yesterday, like the one R. Cooper saved).

    3) There was really just one very doubtful and impactful call in favor of the Eagles, and that was the DFI in the end zone before the half–the ball wasn’t catchable, not really.

    15? Pretty sore sport.

  37. 37 theycallmerob said at 7:28 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    re: conservative, non-flashy passing game:

    While the Eagles offense wasn’t spectacular against the Cardinals, it did have 5 plays of 20+ yards, and a 6th that was called back on a ticky tack block in the back by Jason Avant. Those 5 plays of 20+ yards brings the Eagles’ league-leading season total to 72.


  38. 38 shah8 said at 10:39 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’m not talking about play selection. Talking about style and passing/route choices.

  39. 39 sonofdman said at 11:15 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    If it is just “play selection” that leads to more big plays that any other team in the league, you have to wonder why other teams don’t select more plays of 20+ yards.

  40. 40 theycallmerob said at 1:04 PM on December 3rd, 2013:

    I still don’t get what’s conservative about option routes and progression reads. For a young QB, one of the biggest transitions from college–>pros is being able to go through all your reads, especially in the face of pressure and with faster DBs creating smaller windows.
    Physical talents aside, the 2 greatest weapons Foles currently has in his repertoire are his ability to see all his reads, while often looking off defenders, and make the correct decision for any given play. That is almost unheard of from such a “green” qb. He is at the top of his class of peers in this regard, especially considering all they hype re: Luck coming out of school as “pro-ready” and a “generational talent”.
    To simply belittle Foles’ production as due to a naturally conservative and limiting passing offense is beyond absurd, even for you. Plenty of teams have option routes. Plenty of QBs are asked to do little more than manage. Foles’ has outplayed almost all of them.
    And, for the record, it’s the same offensive scheme that existed when Vick was behind center- one QB just runs it better (pun intended)

  41. 41 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:38 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    after coop snagged that one high pass one handed, i’m pretty sure he could at least get in position to do the same on that endzone pass. that was bananas.

  42. 42 Gary said at 7:08 PM on December 2nd, 2013:


  43. 43 Insomniac said at 7:25 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    How funny would it be if they fined Arians for this after further investigation?

  44. 44 eagleyankfan said at 7:37 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Fined for what?

  45. 45 BlindChow said at 7:57 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Complaining about the officiating can result in a fine. I’m not sure he’s said anything that would warrant it, however.

  46. 46 sprawl said at 8:27 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I’ve sent a tape of Arians complaining to the league offices but have not yet heard back from them.

  47. 47 mksp said at 7:32 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Deep down, you just know these Cardinals fans wish they got the innovative, game-changing iconoclast coach instead of Mr. Establishment NFL Guy. They just have to.

    We’re very lucky, us Eagles fans.

  48. 48 eagleyankfan said at 7:41 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Redskins have a beef. Texas has a beef(Beli-cheater has cheated before) but Arizona — well, you just had your ass whipped is all. Lick your wounds and move on.

  49. 49 Corry said at 8:30 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    That’s pathetic. The human factor in officiating is a big part of the game. Zebras make mistakes. Good teams overcome that. Bad teams cry about it and send tapes of 15 calls that they want to stomp their feet about.

  50. 50 Mitchell said at 9:00 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Preach Tommy. Preach! Bruce Arians has really turned out to be a big whiner and blowhard like someone else said. Not a fan of him at all. No wonder the Eagles didn’t want to hire him.

  51. 51 Mitchell said at 9:12 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Who do we want to win tonight?

  52. 52 Ben Hert said at 9:29 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Brees. Because he is a Saint. Literally.

  53. 53 Ben Hert said at 9:32 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Also, the Seattle defense gets away with a lot of trash talking because they’re good, but watching them wig out on Graham after he schooled 3 Seahawks defenders was pathetic.

  54. 54 BlindChow said at 9:35 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Probably the Seahawks.

    They’re pretty much guaranteed a home playoff game, so knocking the Saints to 9-3 not only ties them with the Panthers, it opens the possibility the Panthers win their division (with both games against the Saints left to play). I’d rather the Panthers be the second seed than the Saints.

    Not to mention the wildcard slot could open if the Saints end up 11-5 (and we win out). Not sure how the tie-breakers would shake out in that case, though.

  55. 55 ICDogg said at 11:25 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    1st-round picks in 2012 draft: 125 career touchdowns, 94 interceptions. 3rd-round picks in 2012 draft: 74 touchdowns, 21 interceptions.— Reuben Frank (@RoobCSN) December 3, 2013

  56. 56 ICDogg said at 11:27 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Wilson, Foles, Griffin, Luck, Tannehill, Sanu, Weeden 🙂 RT @CGillespie88 How would you rank those QBs right now?— Reuben Frank (@RoobCSN) December 3, 2013

  57. 57 Insomniac said at 11:34 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    On pure success? Wilson, Foles, Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weeden. Don’t know why Sanu was mixed in. I’m probably the only one who thinks Luck is overrated though.

  58. 58 ICDogg said at 11:36 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I think Reub was being a little tongue-in-cheek taking a shot at Weeden by sticking Sanu in there.

  59. 59 Insomniac said at 11:38 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    I remember that time when some Eagles fans wanted Sanu.

  60. 60 ICDogg said at 11:39 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    He did complete a pass for a TD :)…

  61. 61 Mitchell said at 11:38 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    wow. this is crazy huh?

  62. 62 GENETiC-FREAK said at 11:38 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    Arians n the Cards what a bunch of sooks! lol Arians ego hurt from losing to a College offence haha

  63. 63 ICDogg said at 11:39 PM on December 2nd, 2013:

    must have been those college refs

  64. 64 Maggie said at 12:24 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    My son was a college ref for a time. I sincerely hope he was better than what we witnessed on Sunday evening!. Sorry, I have a TV package with about 15 channels that show NFL games and not one showed the Eagles game! Ridiculous.

  65. 65 Vick or Nick said at 12:33 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Random thought:

    This is premature talk but

    Nick Foles reminds me a lot of Kurt Warner.
    Neither are athletic or have cannon arms.
    But they compete every play, take hits, anticipate throws, remarkable accuracy.

    Warner had a good back and receivers. So called “talent around him”. And really a wide open offense in greatest show on turf.

    And he came out of relative obscurity and was overlooked. Similar to Foles (although Nick was drafted)

    There’s def some parallels in their style of play and situations.

    Hopefully they continue.

  66. 66 TheRogerPodacter said at 12:37 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    i’m pretty sure that any NFL coach could look at the tape of any of their games and find 15 things that the refs did wrong.
    you are not unique, Bruce. This is not something that just suddenly started happening.

  67. 67 anon said at 12:39 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Honestly is it that crazy? Maybe it only seems shocking b/c we don’t know how often it happens. But if i’m a coach and i feel like i got bad calls during the game i’m definitely going to let someone know so hat it doesn’t happen again — maybe next time you get the benefit of the doubt.

    There were legitimately bad calls both ways.

  68. 68 anon said at 12:41 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Query. Watching Seattle today — would big Russel be the ideal chip QB? I really think the only difference is that RW has the speed to run the RO. But both are good decision makers, have decent arms. I think that really lowers the bar for what you’d need to find in the draft. Don’t need an andrew luck.

  69. 69 short bus said at 12:50 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    So, instead of preparing for their upcoming game, Arians and his staff were were culling out and preparing video on fifteen plays from a game they already played? I see where they’re going now.

  70. 70 Mac said at 1:32 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    They’s headed to th short bus… PRONTO.

  71. 71 P_P_K said at 3:26 PM on December 3rd, 2013:

    I’d bet the players are thinking the same thing.

  72. 72 Mac said at 1:21 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Arian’s is proving to be a whiny little school girl, following his Steeler heritage.

    Edit: and I’m serious about this… being from south central PA… I know that the Steelers and Ravens whine more than any other teams in the league after games.

  73. 73 theycallmerob said at 12:57 PM on December 3rd, 2013:

    yea, though I’ll throw the Pats in there as 1(c). big, stupid, whiny AFC

  74. 74 mtn_green said at 1:50 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    If chip Kelly had said this the media would ask him every day “which 15?”

  75. 75 Bob Brewer said at 6:59 AM on December 3rd, 2013:

    Eagles @ Arizona next year. Should be good for game as the Cardinals will look for revenge against the reigning Super Bowl Champions.