Eagles Extend Peters
Posted: February 26th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 78 Comments »The Eagles decided not to wait until free agency began to make a splash. Today they extended the contract of LT Jason Peters, adding 5 years and a reported $51.3M. Les Bowen lists the guaranteed money as $19.55M, most of which will come in the next 2 years. Les also wrote about the complexity of the deal.
One obstacle Vincent Taylor faced when Jason Peters’ agent sat down to talk to Eagles general manager Howie Roseman about a contract extension was the lack of comparable deals.
“That was one of the biggest hurdles, getting over,” Taylor said Wednesday, after the Eagles announced a five-year extension with their six-time Pro Bowl left tackle, which will pay $51.3 million if Peters is still an Eagle in 2018 (and the pact isn’t renegotiated.) Peters, 32, will be 36 in 2018. About $19.55 million is guaranteed, most of that money in the next two seasons. “Howie will tell you. Had nothing to work off of. Talked to the NFLPA today, they said that’s the highest guarantee for any o-lineman at 32 years old or above. We just had to look at it almost like the pink elephant — what is it worth to you? It may not be worth much to the next person, but what is it worth to you? And they felt like, hey, that’s what he’s worth to us, and we settled.”
This situation worked well for both sides. The Eagles really wanted to keep Peters. And Jason really wanted to stay. I wasn’t sure how the Eagles would feel about Peters. He did make the Pro Bowl this year, but didn’t play at the same level he did in 2011. Would they view him as a declining player or someone that did well despite coming off a significant achilles injury. Obviously they went with the latter option.
This is a really interesting move because it gives the Eagles stability at the OT position for the near future. Peters might not play all 5 years, but could be here for at least the next 3. Lane Johnson is the RT for the next few years. Allen Barbre is the short term answer as the backup OT. The Eagles do need a young player to develop for the future, but they don’t have to go get that player this year. Bowen did ask Howie Roseman what the team would do if the highest rated player on the board at 22 is an OT. Roseman didn’t flinch and said the Eagles would take the OT. As the Eagles found out in 2012, you do need good backup OTs. Ideally the team would find a mid-round OT who could also play OG if needed.
The Peters deal is not the only news of the day.
League source tells me Riley Cooper will sign a 4-year deal tomorrow with Eagles. @Jeff_McLane and PFT reported today that deal was close.
— Geoff Mosher (@GeoffMosherCSN) February 27, 2014
Mosher also reports the Eagles are making progress with Jeremy Maclin.
Maclin, the fifth-year receiver, is set to become a free agent on March 8 but the league source said both sides are “talking and making progress.” Still, the deal isn’t done and Maclin could still elect to test free agency before making his decision.
The Eagles are taking care of in-house business and are close to completing contracts with wide receiver Riley Cooper and center Jason Kelce, according to NFL sources.
The Kelce multiyear extension could be announced as early as Thursday morning, followed by an afternoon news conference. Cooper, who is slated to become a free agent on March 11, is also expected to receive a multiyear deal that may be announced this week.
My take on all of this…great news.
Peters is still a very good LT. He’s also a key leader for the team. Jason Kelce is one of the best young Centers in the league and is another important leader. Keeping them is also crucial because Chip Kelly needs a top OL for his offense to work.
As to the WRs, keeping both Mac and Coop is ideal. This gives the Eagles 3 starting caliber talents. If someone gets hurt, the other 2 can keep the offense rolling at a high level. Mac and DeSean Jackson have the speed to stretch the defense. Cooper isn’t as fast, but proved to be a good downfield receiver this year. He used his size and did a great job of tracking deep balls.
Kelly’s offense doesn’t use the slot receiver in a standard way. I don’t think a trio of DJax, Mac and Coop would have functioned all that well in Andy Reid’s offense. Kelly uses his receivers differently so the slot guy doesn’t play in traffic and just work the middle of the field. Kelly had Coop and DJax play outside and inside last year.
Maclin isn’t a sure thing to re-sign, but it certainly sounds hopeful. He’s likely settling for a short term deal so this isn’t going to solve the position long term. The Eagles could still add a WR in the draft. I’d prefer a speedy guy with return skills. The Eagles still have some big guys in Arrelious Benn and Brad Smith to challenge for roster spots.
I didn’t expect a Wednesday in late February to be so cool. Rather than throwing money at free agents from other teams, I’m glad the Eagles are taking this route. Keep your best players together as long as you can (and as long as they play at high level).
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The Peters deal is as much about ego massage as anything else, they were pretty much committed to paying him $10M this season in any case, and that’s guaranteed the first day of the season, and unless he fell off the cliff the same would hold in 2015, but now they don’t have to worry about him hitting the market and dealing with uncertainty.
2016 and out there will be almost no dead money, which means they can renegotiate if he’s no longer a top LT (doubtful by 2017 when he’ll be 35, for one thing he’s not a “long” LT so if he loses a step he’ll slip as a pass blocker), and if they move him to RG where he could probably stay at a all pro level through this contract, even losing a step Peters would instantly be the best RG in the NFL – he has the build and power to excel at RG, and he would probably be the most athletic RG around.
So it gives Peters security and Howie leverage and flexibility. Win-win.
brad smith is a STs guy and a gadget guy, Benn could vanish i wouldnt care, i want to draft a WR. i want a 1st round guy bad, but i guess if coop and mac are back i can settle for a 2nd round guy and be happpy. someone like jordan mathews or allen robinson would both instill excitemnet in me.
But as for the “wildcard bitches” (charlei kelly, hello!!!) i hope instead of a WR they take a TE 1st round. And that TE would be Jace Amaro. That would be dope!!!
Amaro is Ertz 2.0. Do not want.
why wouldnt u want another ertz? and by the way he isnt ertz, he is a better blocker and bigger. ertz and amaro would the future.
How is he a better blocker? Amaro had like 4 inline blocks all year.
Both of them couldn’t block in college so…I don’t know where you’re getting this from. Ebron is the next stud TE not Amaro. I’d consider Ebron at 22 but there’s little to no chance that either TEs will be BPAs in the first round.
amaro def could block in college, lol.. he wasnt asked to do it much because he was putting up numbers, and ebron will go early then 22.. amaro could be there at 22..
I hate Amaro. Bad hands, stiff.
Would take ODB or Cooks tho.
bad hands?? you are crazy.
This is an obvious smokescreen for signing Alterraun Verner.
I agree with Howie, Jason Peters is NOT your average star player.
This guy is a FREAK. Two achilles tendon injury and to come back be Pro Bowler and All-Pro. Just Ridiculous.
I expect 2014 to be his BEST season, as he gets more healthy and in shape. Scary.
I’m VERY curious to see what the guaranteed money on Cooper’s contract will be. I really hope Eagles don’t over pay him.
Maclin I feel will test the market, Eagles prb offered a lukewarm 1-year deal.
I’m really hoping that the Cooper deal is for about $3 million per year. Anything over $5 million per and I won’t be happy, but tentatively I’d be happy to keep both him and Mac.
Just announced 5 years for $25 million. No info on the guarantees yet but $5 million is just too much for Cooper anyway you look at it.
And despite the reports that the Eagles are close to signing Maclin, I can’t imagine he wouldn’t at least want to test the market now after hearing that Cooper will be making $5 mill per year.
I’d bet the contract shows he makes 7 or 8 mil a year the last 2 years and it isn’t guaranteed.
Yeah thats what I’m hoping for too. If its heavily backloaded with not much guaranteed then its a good deal. Cooper will be 32 by the time the deal ends so I can’t see Howie not giving the Eagles an easy out after the second or third season.
I said this over at BGN, but it’s relevant here too. I think the reason this Maclin talk seems to have picked up suddenly is that his agent watches the combine. There’s all this talk about how it’s the deepest draft in ages, especially at WR, and then a bunch of them have a ridiculously good combine.
From a FA WR perspective, I think the market will be relatively poor because any team who needs a WR can go draft a good one (even if they’re not picking high in the first round) and will therefore be less likely to give good money to a FA, especially one with bad knees. If I’m Maclin, I’d sign a 1-year deal for a team with a good offense with the intention that I hit the market next year when the pickins in the WR market are a little more slim.
From the Eagles perspective it makes sense too. They’ve got a WR to start opposite DJax this season and, worst case scenario, they’re back at the same point next year except they’ll have an extra year to figure out what to do. If a WR is BPA then they can develop him behind Maclin at his own pace and let Jeremy walk next season. If not, they can figure out the other WR options as this season goes by. Awesomeness.
Good analysis. I think a one year deal makes sense for both sides. Maclin has thrived in a spread offense before, and even if he has to share reps with Cooper, he’ll still get plenty of opportunities in Kelly’s offense and has played with Foles before. That’s probably a better option than signing a one year deal in an uncertain situation elsewhere in a buyer’s market for WRs. As for the Eagles, they know what they have in Maclin, who’s still pretty young and will be reasonably priced for next season, and they have enough holes and few enough draft picks that they don’t want to go into the draft having to pick a receiver. It’s a situation for a perfect marriage.
i’d go into the drat needing a reciever, there’s a ton that are decent to good. if i’m eagles i want a two year deal for 10 mil, 4 guaranteed this year 6 unguaranteed next year. If i’m mac i want at least 6-7 this year if cooper is getting 5 and the power to fully renegotiate next year.
“Bowen did ask Howie Roseman what the team would do if the highest rated player on the board at 22 is an OT. Roseman didn’t flinch and said the Eagles would take the OT.”
So this confirms what I’ve been pretty much asking all day concerning BPA. It makes sense, but only to a certain point. If we selected another OT after extending Peters & selecting Johnson last year, yes we’d be really deep at the tackle position. But what position did you sacrifice improving in taking another OT? You can only start 2 of them, so while you’re deep there, you’re most likely shorter on young talent elsewhere.
In my business, the warehouses I managed had a number of metrics to meet in order to make bonus. There were 3 levels of metrics (incentive, neutral & chargeback). Chances for making bonus were MUCH better for the warehouses that did everything average to extremely well, when compared to other warehouses that were extremely good in one/two areas, but severely lacking in others. The former would make bonuses simply because they did some things really well but did other well enough not to cost them, so they were very balanced in their “talents”. The latter may have had the best numbers company wide in one category, but were so lacking in so many other areas that the chargebacks incurred wiped out their performance bonuses completely.
Balance and versatility are keys to success. Overloading talent at one area can actually be a detriment to success. Especially in a cap strapped NFL world.
To be clear, the OT would have to be clearly better than the other choices. If there is a DB or LB rated evenly or just a notch below, that player would likely get taken.
I’ll write more about this to explain it better.
tbh, I don’t quite understand the particulars of the BPA philosophy — a post would be helpful.
in the example you give, if you don’t take the OT because there’s a player rated just below him at a position of greater need, is that truly BPA?
BPA is what you want it to be.
The point is to make your pick from the best players available, not reach for a position of need. Its ok to go need if you have several players graded comparably, but if five cornerbacks get selected before us, grabbing the 6th corner rather than say the 2nd safety is probably a bad idea. A good example of not following BPA and instead just grabbing for need rather than value would be someone like Jerome McDougle.
Jaiquawn Jarret and Danny Watkins are even better examples to your point.
Think of it as slightly weighted BPA. The trick is how much weight.
I may be in the minority as far as the Coop deal, it this thrills me. I really thought he was going to leave. That bummed me out because he & Nick Dynamite CLEARLY have something special goin on in the chemistry dept. I’d love to are Maclin back for sure, however Coopers size & blocking are great. Also you won’t ever catch Riley “Self tacklin” 🙂 If we do lose Maclin, I’d sure be pleased to see us pick up a tough, fast slot guy with return ability. I surely could be mistaken but I just don’t see Maclin being that guy. Like Tommy said it’d be great to have Coop & Mac in the event (football gods forbid someone goes down) one thing I wonder about is Tommy said about Kelly not using the slot receiver in a traditional way. Or often for that matter. I have to wonder though as much aswe all love Avant, if he wouldn’t tailor the offense to use the position more if there was a true playmaker in the position. What are some of you guys thoughts on who’s out there in say the mid rounds that you’d like to see rocking midnight green? Overall I think it’s been an unexpectedly surprisingly happy iggles day & I have to say also, Howie Roseman continues to impress me.
It did seem like Coop and Nick had good chemistry. Oddly enough, I thought Nick and Avant had terrific chemistry in 2012.
I always go back to Nick and Maclin in 2012. If you pro-rate Jeremy’s numbers in those games (counting the Dallas game since Nick played most of it) out over a 16 game season, he’d set career highs in receptions and yards with 85 for 1,095 yards. Those include the Washington game where he was completely shut out.
As Kempski noted yesterday, it was even better over the final 3 games.
How much was Peters on the books for originally in 2014? Also, I’d say since we’re re-upping with so many of our own guys that we’re not super impressed with any of the higher end FA’s.
They save $2 million this year on the cap by extending his deal.
Also, if we resign Maclin and Cooper, it won’t put us in a position where not drafting a wideout could hurt us. Ideally we’d end up with a guy like Brandin Cooks falling into our lap and he could be the new slot guy to take the place of Avant. Our WR group would look damn good with that scenario.
Cooks in the second round would be money but I think despite his size he’ll probably be long gone by our pick in the second. Its nice to imagine though. DJax, Cooks and Maclin is a ton of speed. Put Ertz on the field with them and spread em out. No way anybody can cover them man to man. Plus it would make the running lanes for Shady even bigger than usual.
Despite what management is saying about BPA, I wonder though if them resigning Cooper and Maclin also eliminates the chance that they’d draft a WR in the first. It depends on what Maclin and Cooper actually get but I’d assume that would be a lot of cash going to one position. Couple that with the already high TE/H-back resources and its really hard to justify from a salary cap standpoint. Not to mention the fact that DJax isn’t exactly happy with his guaranteed money.
I think Cooks or Beckham Jr. would be perfect picks for this team, but if either of those two are to be had, then it would have to be done at 22. Not very likely that either of them will last until the Eagles’ 2nd round slot.
I don’t think this eliminates the drafting of a WR in the 1st round. This just makes sure that WR is one less need heading into the draft. If a WR is tops on their board when the time comes, then I think they take him without blinking. Besides, it is looking like Maclin is going to be on a short term deal and Avant could be on the way out. That leaves only DeSean and Cooper as your locks heading into the final season. Now is as good a time as any to get a WR with special teams ability and starter potential to learn behind the vets and grow into a more prominent role over time.
ROTO had a realy good breakdown of the second tier WRs — landry is the one that stands out as a possession reciever.
Jaylen Watkins had a pretty good combine. I’m not entirely sure if he plays up to his 4.41s speed but he could be great CB depth with some potential.
Wow. If things play out the way they’re are looking to, Keeping Coop, Maclin, locking up Kelce & Peters, Having Mathis Johnson, Herremans, Foles, McCoy, Jackson, Ertz, Celeck & undoubtedly additional talent from the draft. This O looking from the outside in HAS to turn 90% of the league midnight green with envy. Makes me smile big enough to hurt 🙂 Roseman has made a believer out of this doubter. Crow never tasted sweeter!
I’m really hoping they get all of that done. Take care of in house business by awarding our players, sign some outside help for the defense without breaking the bank, and then draft BPA in May.
Simple description for a good offseason.
Sounds a lot like last year, eh?
Peters — solid signing. Cooper (one of my fav. hard nosed players) is a good signing. Kelce/Mac would be good signings as well, assuming Mac is back.
On the outside – these probably appear to be “eh” signings. I mostly agree. These aren’t “omg” signings. To the Eagles though, these are solid. Only one year into the system — Coop/Peters WILL be smarter/more proficient in the offense. Same with Kelce.
Cooper — I think(and open to feedback) that Chips offense is more of a “find/exploit” the defense and use his offense against it. Chip truly doesn’t need that WR stud. He uses all his weapons. Even though Reid preached that theory — he REALLY did need that stud. That’s where Cooper has value in Chips offense. With Reid, Cooper wouldn’t have value. I like the signing.
I get the BPA thing, but I doubt Eagles go OT now in round 1. That doesn’t help the teams immediate needs. “Best guard” in the draft may be available. My “fan” guess is safety/OLB than maybe guard.
The Eagles have a stud WR. His name is DeSean Jackson. The criticism of Cooper has always been that he can’t beat single coverage, which allows defenses to double Jackson. The problem with that analysis is that it assumes is that the only way to beat single coverage is the WR getting clean separation from the defender. That’s the wrong way to look at it. If the WR is only covered by one defender, he is likely to be able to catch a ball that’s thrown to the right spot at the right time even if the defender has good position, because he knows where he’s going and the defender doesn’t and there’s no help defender to close the windows that creates. But this is only possible if the quarterback is willing to release the ball and throw to these windows. As has been much discussed, Vick (like McNabb before him) has always been reluctant to throw the ball unless his target is wide open. Foles is not, and will put balls in spots where a well-covered receiver can go get it. Cooper is strong, tracks the ball well, and has good leaping ability, so he will win more than his share of battles for contested balls even though he doesn’t have the speed to regularly beat defenders cleanly. I think his increase in performance and value is as much a function of the change at quarterback as it is of the change in offense.
This is very poor analysis. In the first place, QBs aren’t really supposed to throw to guys that have good coverage. You’ll have beat up WRs, tip drills, and pick-6. It’s one thing to do back-shoulder throws (which Foles doesn’t show an ability to do) to big guys like Boldin or quick guys like Welker or Nelson. It’s entirely something else to throw to a Brandon LaFell when he doesn’t have seperation.
I mean, full flat out, a good WR is supposed to be able make cuts, do double moves, speed on by, etc, etc, etc, in order to create separation. Football is a game of confidence. You’re supposed to want the QB to feel that this has a good chance of making great things happen before he pulls the trigger. If the defense isn’t making a mistake, or the coach isn’t calling a play specifically to spring you and get you the ball, you’re suppose to create that “good feeling this is gunna work”.
“Throwing people open” is just a bunch of stupid mysticism, as seen on the Footballsfuture thread about it. I do believe that there is such a thing as throwing people open–but that action is fundamentally about a QB in tune with his WR. Not a QB being all MindMaster of the Offense. The properties are just the same as a WR having the situational awareness to stop his route when the QB is in trouble and try to make an easy toss available.
And again, the whole thing about Foles vs DMac or particularly Vick is specious. DMac was a little relunctant to throw into windows, but he certainly can do it, and Andy Reid mostly emphasis a kind of WCO screen game with more PA and straight deep shot. DMac didn’t *have* to make lots of window throws. Vick can and does throw into windows. Routinely made stick throws to Celek and Avant, and deep intermediate shots to DJax and Mac. Part of why Reid and MM went so crazy with the passing offense was in part *because* Vick is a better passer with better vision than DMac. Furthermore, if I thought that Foles was actually willing to throw into windows, I’d whine a lot less about keeping him as starting QB. He rarely ever threw to people who aren’t wide open, unless that was the game plan, like the bad TE coverage for Ari or Keenan Allen leaving opening up DJax. His passing performance at Tampa is notable especially because he did make a couple of window throws there. He certainly doesn’t throw people open, yeesh.
It must suck to see the teams you like shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.
I do not mind the Riley Cooper signing. 5 years 25 million? It’s unlikely Cooper isn’t cuttable the instant he’s not productive enough.
However, yes, it does suck to see my teams shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly. It’s a major reason why I never really watched the Falcons, not even when Vick was playing, outside of ’02. And why I watched teams with stable and good coaches like Dennis Green or Andy Reid.
The whole Ponder thing left a terrible taste in my mouth, from draft (I literally went NOOOOOOO! when he was drafted, because I saw him in the ACC) to his final demise after two pathetic end of game drives in 2013. And I can only *hope* it’s his final demise and that Speilman won’t resurrect him yet again as starter. I understand why the Foles move was made…the booing at the home Giants game was terrible, but I don’t have to like the move, and I wish the Eagles had a prospect with a better long term chance than Foles. It is what it is. So I’m focused on the team around him being better, whether Foles turn into a better passer or whether we hand the reigns to a new passer later on.
I think the eagles have great management. As far as QB, we aren’t really in a position to get a great prospect. I’m just guessing, but Carr and Bortles are the only two that have a possibility of reaching 22, and both appear to be more physically gifted than Foles. However, you can’t just throw out someone who was as successful as Foles just because he’s not the physical prototype. I think if your predictions begin to materialise, though, the eagles will be able to recognise that and act, and they won’t hold on like the Vikings.
I have to admit, if I was a cowboys or redskins fan I would just quit this whole thing until the team was sold to someone more competent.
Here’s the thing. Physical prototype *matters*. Moreover, you generally want more than enough on the physical qualities. Some guys on the margin, like Schaub and Matt Ryan can be reasonably successful. Other guys on the margin like Dalton or Sanchez have issues with certain parts of their games, and those issues tend to collapse onto the things they do do well, especially in big games or playoffs. Not that Schaub or Ryan doesn’t collapse in playoffs, but they’ve had their moments against good teams in the regular season.
Ponder fails because he only has just enough arm strength, and it turns out he can’t use all of it. I don’t think that Foles has as good an arm as Ponder does. What Foles does do well is in the little stuff, throwing higher arc deep balls with touch, and some degree of ability to zip balls between the numbers. Not being stupid on the field goes a long way. So does being on a good team with generally good protection. However, we virtually have no chance with Foles at QB in the playoffs, unless we meet a 7-9 to 9-7 team that doesn’t belong there. Also, there is a substantial chance that Foles will go into a long streak of very poor outings, even if he got better as a passer. Ponder and Gabbert both got better every year. They just never got that quantum of better into being a functional starter. This is because over the offseason, coaches that live in their offices will dissect Kelly’s offense as best as they can, and adapt their preferred scheme in order to deal with it. Some teams won’t be able to do it, because of lack of talent or bad scheme. However, good teams *will* make Foles sweat.
Remember, I’ve just come from a successful 2012 Vikings season to a terrible 2013 season, and the team didn’t change that much, not even the draft picks saw much action until late in the season. The primary difference was that the Vikings of 2012 got early leads consistently, and Ponder never had to be a very good QB, as he vultured a lot of red zone TDs 2010 Cassel style, and as teams feared and failed to deal with AD as he ripped off long runs after long runs. When the good luck stops happening, it didn’t matter that Ponder was throwing and making deep passes this past year that he couldn’t in 2012. He couldn’t just be better. He had to be *functional*.
That’s why when I see just how much of an opportunistic offense it is under Foles, I don’t see long term success. You can’t make a living relying on high arc slower deep passes or making lots of short-and-goal TD passes. Or defenses making mistakes left and right as your coach outschemes everyone.
cooper caught balls on 9 routes and when he was wide open. he’s not a possession guy which is the main criticism. but if he can be used to make people play two high instead of single high that will go a long way.
I can’t get passed your first sentence. Desean is not, was not and never … ever — let me stress — never be a stud. Green — Stud. Megatron — Stud Julio Jones — Stud. Stud is someone you can rely on all the time(I didn’t say wins every battle) INCLUDING being double teamed. DJ will have amazing games, than you won’t hear from him for weeks. DJ is very good and I’m glad he’s here, but he’s not stud. He’s not the guy you trust all time. TO was a stud.
Very good news on pretty much all fronts. The interesting point, to me, is the name not mentioned at all – Nate Allen. I take it as gospel that the Eagles aren’t going to go into the draft with a true “hole” (that’s why I felt pretty confident Coop was getting resigned – there was no other viable big WR on the roster, and the FA pickings were slim at best). I can’t see them being happy going into the draft with a depth chart of Chung/Wolff/Coleman (and I like Coleman as a backup/ST). They need to sign some mid-level FA to fill that hole before the draft. Doesn’t sound like Allen will be that guy, at least for now.
As long as they do fill that hole, I no problem with drafting any position in the first as BPA. I like the Peters deal, but there’s a good chance he misses at least a few games in the next 2 years, and Kelly can probably find a RZ package that utilizes Lane as a Tackle Eligible and maybe some other unbalanced looks to get a 1st rd OT into the game some while grooming him to be RT of the future. WR, even if they sign Maclin also, that group can truly use some depth, and ST absolutely needs some love. I’d even be okay with QB, though I can’t see how that will be BPA at 22 (same with C, OG, or DE, or RB). The team needs talent pretty much everywhere, and has adequate players pretty much everywhere (with the exception of safety). Upgrades in talent are the name of the game at this point.
Cooper has been re-signed for 5 years $25 million. Kelce has been extended for 6 years, $37.5 million (13m guaranteed).
At first glance, the Cooper deal seems way too high to me. However, Jeff McLane tweeted that he’s being told the number is “considerably inflated.” He’s still working on getting the details. I’m hoping the actually number is closer to $3m per year.
I like the Kelce deal.
*sigh* Now I really need to try and like him. A dude this size, with the ability he has shown, better not disappear for 7-9 games this year. BTW I could really care less about the Kenny Chesney thing, its not about that. Sure it added to my dislike, but just not something I really care about all that much.
I really hope this doesn’t mean Maclin gets away.
4.5 that is his really value is less than a lot of 2nd or 3rd type WRs get around the NFL. 3m is replacement level type WR
I guess you’re right. According to eaglescap.com Avant would make 3.25m, Brad smith 1.3m, and Benn 1m this year. Relative to those numbers, the deal does seem about right.
I wonder what that would mean for Maclin’s potential deal. $7 million one year deal?
That sounds like a good deal for both sides. Its less than Desean’s take for 2014 and doesn’t have the long time security of Cooper’s. It should not cause unrest in that way. Really if he goes back to producing like he did before the year with the mystery illness and last years wash, it would be a great deal for the Eagles.
For Mac, I’m thinking 1 year, $4.5 million– no more. Look at the crop of FA, and the deep draft.
I actually think 4.5 is too high, but I don’t want to insult him either and have him leave; the offer needs to be favorable for both sides, but comparable to the market.
Hopefully these deals—Cooper, Kelce, especially Peters–have escape doors for management after a couple of years. We have to be careful, or we’ll wind up like the Phillies. Trapped and smothered by big contracts of declining players.
Every Eagles deal has that.
I don’t think Trent Cole’s deal has that. Some deals require money be counted against the salary cap even if the player is cut. I think we’re hemmed in with him. Am I right on this?
Cooper cutable for no money after the first year, Peters after 2 years, Kelce only has 13 mil guaranteed so I assume his contract will have an easy out after 2-3 years too.
Tommy, not sure if I should be disappointed that no one commented on the double entendre headline or happy that there were no comments about Eagles extending Cox?
wow. can’t believe we all missed that.
I didn’t miss it, but didn’t have time to post at the time. Thanks for picking up the slack. Normally, peter extensions don’t cost what the Eagles were willing to pay, but in this case, I’d say it’s money well spent.
Peters and Johnson guarding Foles…… I guess Michael Sam picked a good time to sack the quarterback. 🙂
It’s a joke, relax!
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
From NFLdotcom, all the latest news seems to be about players being released or looking to be released, except us. Under the news about the Eagles extending Kelce and Coop, is a headline about the Cowboys and Ware not talking. I love our FO, I love the Cowboys FO just as much, but not for the same reasons.
I’ll be honest, I’m not a big fan of the Cooper deal. Five years $25 mil with $10 mil guaranteed to a guy that we want to be our #4 WR just doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. If reports are true that we are trying to get Maclin signed as well, Maclin seems like the clear starter over Cooper.
Then there is this:
https://twitter.com/Brian_Solomon/status/439075888303730688
So unless the plan is to use Maclin in the slot (which seems like it wouldn’t be an ideal fit for him), you have Jackson and Cooper who are not ideal fits in the slot, so you have to take out Maclin or Jackson in 3 receiver sets to get Cooper on the field.
I was looking forward to moving on from Cooper and targeting one of the many quality looking WRs in this years draft to replace him. Seems like we still have to find a slot guy, but paying that much money to Cooper seems like a bad deal in my opinion. I hope he proves me very wrong.
The reality is i think Maclin may walk. He’s going to want more per year than coop but i don’t think he’ll get it — there’s probably a better chance he gets paid in NY or KC. It’s really too bad he got injured in his contract year — especially the way Peters and Kelce just got paid.
I don’t think Maclin is going to get a long term deal. No one will pay him that. I think wherever he goes, it will be a short-term, 1 to 2 years, prove it deal. In that scenario, I can definitely see him making more than the $5 mil/year Coop is making.
I’m sure cooper can be cut with no downside after two seasons. If he plays at the same level as last season, it will be a good contract.
Tommy has said before that in this offense we don’t feature a traditional “slot receiver” so he doesn’t see the problem in keeping all three. Even if we keep both free agents we really only have 3 receivers with experience, assuming we let Avant go making it a good idea to draft a WR. This draft is so chock full of WR’s it would be silly not to get one.
Yeah, Maclin and Cooper definitely could not play slot in a Reidlike offense. With Chip, the slot guy is more like “the third wide receiver” and not “the guy who works short areas and the middle”.
Maybe, however, if that were really true, wouldn’t you expect to have seen more snaps from Cooper in the slot? The fact that he only took 18% of his snaps in the slot suggests that Chip didn’t like him there as much as on the outside last year.
Well, last year we had Avant who couldn’t play anywhere else. I also think they were trying to ease Ertz into the NFL by focusing on using him inline/slot and not getting fancy by putting him outside either.
You look at that breakdown in your original post, why the heck did Desean play slot AT ALL? Besides his lack of size, he’s the complete opposite of the more traditional slot receiver.
I also think if we retain Maclin, Maclin will be used in the slot more than Cooper because Maclin has superior quickness.
Its basically a 2yr deal, relax.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not up in arms about the deal and think it ruins the Eagles chances of doing other deals. I just think the contract overvalues his worth.
Also, the logic of it being a 2 year deal sort of assumes that he doesn’t perform to the level of his contract, doesn’t it? We would only cut him after 2 years if he isn’t worth his contract, implying my original argument that the contract he got overvalues him.
While I’m not a big Cooper guy it sounds like you are even more down on him than I am. It really isn’t breaking the bank to have him. I also think Maclin is really well suited for the slot.
While not a big Cooper fan I am happier to have him than not I suppose, and the price was right.
I don’t think he is awful, I just think he is a JAG that is being paid more than a JAG. I agree we aren’t breaking the bank on him, so I don’t think it hurts us, but I would have had no problem seeing him walk and being replaced by someone with more upside.
As for Maclin in the slot, in Kelly’s offense he has a better chance of playing in the slot than in AR’s, but I still think Maclin has shown discomfort playing in traffic, and while CK’s offense will reduce that somewhat, the slot seems like it would still not be an ideal fit.
I, personally, am wondering about kicking the tires on Jonathan Martin. Cheap, high quality depth, or maybe can displace Herremans.