Patience

Posted: March 13th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 248 Comments »

Fans tend to think of free agency as being a few days. Make big moves right away or you’ve blown the chance to help your team. Nothing could be further from the truth. Free agency is several months long. And the key is to make the right moves, not the biggest signings or the most signings.

Think about what the Eagles have done. They added a starting Safety that they like a lot. That was huge because it was the biggest hole on the team. Then they went out on Day 2 and targeted a pair of backup players and STers. That was a part of the team that under-performed last year. Chip Kelly didn’t think the Eagles had the right players in place so he aggressively went after a couple of guys.

The Eagles were very specific in what they wanted to do and which players they wanted to go after. That’s what smart teams do during free agency. You don’t just go after big names. You must have guys that fit your schemes and fit your culture. The Broncos are willing to roll the dice because they know every year could be Peyton Manning’s last one. The Eagles have a coach in his second year and a young QB. They are building something. If Kelly wanted a bunch of veteran players, the Eagles would have gone after them. That isn’t the approach he wants to take.

I understand the frustration with seeing DeMarcus Ware and Darelle Revis sign elsewhere. Those are star players who could have helped the team. We don’t know if the Eagles had interest or not. I’m kinda surprised Ware chose to go to a 4-3 team, but I do understand he thinks the Broncos could help get him a Super Bowl. Revis made a calculated and potentially smart decision. He will go to a high profile team with a veteran coach who knows how to use gifted CBs. If Revis thrives, he could get a mega-deal next year. He chose the perfect team to go to.

The Eagles aren’t done with making moves. I can’t promise you they’ll add big names, but there are a couple of reasons for that. First, you have to have the right big names to choose from. For example, Jared Allen is a veteran pass rusher who is sitting on the market for a reasonable price. But he’s a 4-3 player. That does the Eagles no good. If a stud 3-4 edge rusher was out there, the Eagles would have gone after him on Day 1. The 3-4 guys this year were better run players and effort rushers. The Eagles already have Connor Barwin in that role.

The other consideration here is that the Eagles don’t have that many holes to fill. They like the roster, for the most part. You use free agency to fill holes. You focus on the draft for finding young talent to be the core of your team.

The Eagles need:

* a stud pass rusher OLB or a backup OLB

* competition for Alex Henery

* RS

* a DL, preferably who could play DE or NT

* possibly another Safety

There are no outright holes in the starting lineup right now. As much as anything, the Eagles need depth at a few spots. These are the kind of signings you can make after the first few days and still find plenty of good players. There will be talent available in a week. Heck, in a month. Ozzie Newsome is the king of finding players in the second and third wave of free agency. I have no problem with the Eagles following the same plan.

The team could go out today and sign a player or two, but they could also sit tight and wait for the dust to settle, then go find some more players. The rush is to get the guys at the top of your wish list. The Eagles did that. We’ll see if anyone else is still up high on that list and still available.

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There is nothing wrong with having different opinions. I liked Malcolm Jenkins. He’s the player I wanted. Others quote the PFF stats and think he sucks. That’s fine. Jenkins might turn out to be a bad signing. But so might Byrd or Ward. That’s the fun and the torture of free agency. You don’t always get what you pay for. Other times you get more.

Things have been a bit edgy in the comments section recently. You guys can debate. You can rip me and my opinions. Just don’t let things get personal and try to watch the language.

Let’s see if the Eagles give us anything to discuss today.

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248 Comments on “Patience”

  1. 1 eagleyankfan said at 7:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I get what you’re saying. I just think the Eagles have more than a few holes to fill. When it counted — the Eagles couldn’t get their defense off the field. 0 pass rush and brutal safety play. One paper — safety should be better but with a 0 pass rush it won’t matter who is at safety. If you and Chip like Jenkins, there must be a reason and hopefully that reason isn’t because he’s a cheap option. We’ll find out soon enough. The goal is to get better from year to year by increments. So far, it’s a small increment.

  2. 2 Anders said at 7:41 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Problem is would it be worth it for the Eagles to use a ton of money on an old OLB? I would have loved Ware, but I think he took less to play for the Broncos and he still made 10 million per year.
    Byrd (only star S I wanted), got a record deal by the Saints.
    After those two, the OLB and S market was not that impressive.

  3. 3 eagleyankfan said at 7:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I agree. Saints must be saying — there is no better safety and drafting/finding one at that level will be close to impossible. So they signed him. Eagles, sooner or later, will have to say that and then sign someone who can be dominant on defense. I’m not sure if Byrd is the best but the Saints are betting he’ll take them to the next level. Jenkins is not taking us to the next level.

  4. 4 Mike Roman said at 8:51 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    My only counter to that is if the Eagles really feel that they don’t have many holes to fill outside of OLB and S, then they should have made a serious play for Ware and Byrd.

    I largely agree with you, but it debunks Tommy’s argument that they don’t have many holes to fill. Clearly they think they are more than a player or two away.

  5. 5 bill said at 8:56 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m not sure it debunks Tommy’s argument. I think Tommy (and he can correct me if I’m wrong) is arguing that there are no longer holes in the lineup. I agree. But I would argue, and I take Tommy’s statement as a similar thought, that there are very few places on the roster that couldn’t use a talent upgrade. You can’t have all pros at every spot, you just need a few sprinkled in. If the Eagles can find/develop a few more all-pros, the guys that they have everywhere else are “good enough.” They just need more all-pros that fit their system. And despite what the teeth-gnashers are wailing (not accusing you of being one), you don’t build your all-pro “core” through FA, you can maybe add one or two to round out the core, but you have to develop the majority of the core yourself. I don’t think the Eagles have enough all-pros right now that they should be worried about rounding the core out. They still need a lot of work to build it in the first place.

  6. 6 Mike Roman said at 9:04 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I took it as they can use talent upgrades at various positions but the starters are set. And maybe I’m reading it wrong. I just don’t necessarily agree. I think your starting CBs can clearly be upgraded. It kind of reminds me of when Reid used to say we don’t need a #1 WR in this offense. That’s fine, but at least go get something better than you have now. I would almost equate Fletcher & Williams to Small / Johnson / Thrash / Pinkston. Now I’m getting off topic. LOL.

  7. 7 bill said at 10:06 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Can’t argue with you about the CBs being upgradeable, but the reality is – they are “good enough” if you have other superior talent around them. I actually like Fletcher (when healthy) better than Williams, and I do believe Williams has a ring from being a starter on the Ravens. Again, not arguing that he was anything close to being a major part of the ring, but he clearly was “good enough,” as long as there was other talent around him.
    Like I said, very [edit] few places that aren’t upgradeable. #1 RB, LT, LG. I’d throw in DEs, mostly because I think that you’re not going to get too much more than what they got last year when you’re 2-gapping as a base. And C, mostly because I don’t think the difference between Kelce and better than Kelce is worth that much effort for the position. Other than that, I think I’d be fine with spending a high draft pick on any other position, if the team thinks it’s BPA.

  8. 8 Scott said at 7:43 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Anyone else worried about stagnancy on offense next season? No element of surprise coupled with more athletic rather than physical o-line.

  9. 9 Anders said at 7:45 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Why would a physical OL be better than athletic OL in year 2?

  10. 10 Scott said at 7:47 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Saints game exposed them.

  11. 11 Anders said at 7:54 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I forgot 1 game defined a whole season.

  12. 12 Scott said at 7:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    The o-line is passable in reg. season, obviously. Not sure why they doubled down on 3 over-30 o-linemen.

  13. 13 Anders said at 8:08 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Evan Mathis and Jason Peters was all pros and form the best left side in the NFL. Herremans was above average last year and will have competition in camp from Tobin and Babre

  14. 14 Scott said at 8:09 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Will they be all-pros when they’re really ready to contend?

  15. 15 Anders said at 8:11 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I say yes consider we contended last year and should contend again this year

  16. 16 Charlie Kelly said at 8:19 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    ready to contend?? lol.. You earn your contention. You are never ready.

  17. 17 Scott said at 8:21 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Ready to beat SEA and/or SF, I mean.

  18. 18 Anders said at 8:23 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think we can beat both if the offense is clicking

  19. 19 Scott said at 8:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    We’d have to be in the 50s to beat them, as currently constructed.

  20. 20 Charlie Kelly said at 8:28 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    nah, i see flaws in that seahawk offense.. as well as the 49ers.. i think the chip kelly offense is the fatal flaw for the seahawks defense. The way the WRs basically make their own routes based on the defense, that and the tempo will be tough for them.

  21. 21 Charlie Kelly said at 8:18 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    you know nothing.

  22. 22 Anders said at 8:20 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    jon snow

  23. 23 bill said at 8:14 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I get the feeling that lots of people are seriously underestimating how good that Saints’ D was playing in the playoffs. If not for that dominant Seattle D that completely flipped the field, that Saints team may have been the one punking the Broncos in the Super Bowl. And the most important point to take away about the offense in the Saints loss was that they left the field with the lead, and never got back on.

  24. 24 Scott said at 8:17 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Right. They played a solid NFL defense and got exposed. Also, the offense not getting back on field is partly Chip Kelly’s fault for leaving too much time for Saints, who have a pretty decent qb.

  25. 25 bill said at 8:50 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think the Saints could have speeded that up, if necessary. They took as much time as necessary, because their Oline was dominating the line of scrimmage completely. And like you said, with Brees at the helm, they could’ve scored in 90 seconds, or taken 9 minutes. The whole team got “exposed” to some extent, as the Saints were simply the more talented team.

  26. 26 Scott J said at 8:23 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Our defense lost that game. If they made a 3rd down stop, we would have moved on to the next round.

  27. 27 Ig_l said at 11:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    You could also say that the special teams lost that game. We were leading with 5 minutes left. If the Saints didn’t start around mid-field, who knows whether they could have run out the clock and kicked a a field goal.

    And guess what, we just got two really good special teams players in free agency. Sounds to me like they are addressing some of the important needs.

  28. 28 eagleyankfan said at 8:01 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m not worried because of the Maclin factor. IF he’s 100 % and can contribute to like he was prior to the injury – the Eagles are that much better. Cooper becomes number 3 and he’s a solid, not great 3.

  29. 29 Scott said at 8:02 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Upgrading on Avant isn’t tough. Did Maclin learn to block yet?

  30. 30 eagleyankfan said at 8:05 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    DJ doesn’t block either. I’m not sure I personally would not have signed Cooper/Mac. I would have went after Decker and went from there. I do think Mac can take those short passes and get some RAC where Cooper/Avant couldn’t.

  31. 31 Scott said at 8:06 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Not as important for 10 to block. 10 needs to get open with seperation.

  32. 32 eagleyankfan said at 8:10 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think in this offense it is. Otherwise, DJ is a 1 trick pony – which doesn’t fit Chip. For trick plays in the backfield DJ is perfect. For all around WR play — eh. That’s where Mac comes in, I think he’ll demand more attention and help DJ even more….

  33. 33 bill said at 8:38 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think Chip has several prototypes for WR. I agree that he certainly has one prototype that favors big, physical WRs. But he also has one that favors small, playmaking guys that the D has to honor because of the ability to create big plays. Just as I think people give short-shrift to Kelly’s need to have a least 1 big, physical WR, it’s just as wrong to think he doesn’t value the traits that DJ brings to the table. He wants to have at least one of both prototypes.

  34. 34 eagleyankfan said at 8:52 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I agree. I think he loves what DJ can do — but not as the 1 wr. DJ would be an elite number 2. As a number 1, he’s tier 2. He’s at the top of tier 2 — but still tier 2.

  35. 35 Charlie Kelly said at 8:17 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    DJ does block stop talking out ya butt.. i swear this fanbase only sees what it wants to, desean has always given effort blocking. is he good? no but he gets in the way and tries hard.

  36. 36 eagleyankfan said at 8:22 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Prima Donna DJ? You said it yourself — YOU only see what you want to see. DJ is not a “in your face make the block of the game” player. He’s a “hope my weak attempt at not getting hurt block” guy. You can call it whatever you want — DJ is not a blocker.

  37. 37 Charlie Kelly said at 8:26 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    he gives effort blocking, what else can you ask for from a 170 pound WR?? lol..

  38. 38 Anders said at 8:08 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Maclin can block, he did it outside of 2012.

  39. 39 Charlie Kelly said at 8:16 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    maclin has always given effort blocking, the same with desean. but they are big strong guys so therefore will never be great at blocking.

  40. 40 Charlie Kelly said at 8:15 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    It funny that people forget that maclin was not that good the last year he played. Dropping the ball, fumbles.

  41. 41 Anders said at 8:20 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Maclin fumbled once in 2012

  42. 42 Charlie Kelly said at 8:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    he sucked that year, he made desean look physical.. always getting hurt missing snaps… wasnt a good year for him, people who paid attention know that

  43. 43 Anders said at 9:01 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Did I say anything else than prove that he didnt fumble more than once?

  44. 44 Poppi said at 9:45 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    The offense could be great – Foles will only get better and with Maclin back and a maturing Ertz, the playbook will begin to expand – last year the playbook was limited and defenses could adapt over the season

  45. 45 Anders said at 7:44 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    3 guys I want as depth:
    Terrance Cody. He has the size and youth that Kelly wants and can play both DE and NT
    Nolan Carroll, again has the size and would be instant 4th CB who could develop.
    Rob Jackson, has the size and athletisme. Would be instant backup for Barwin, is a little older (29) and had the suspension last.
    Bring back Nate Allen. I honestly think Allen is a better safety than the rest of the market. We still need some competition for Wolff

  46. 46 Charlie Kelly said at 8:14 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    kelly doesnt want sloppy fat turds like cody, he wants lean mean machines.

  47. 47 Anders said at 8:22 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Well if Kelly and Azzinaro can get Cody in shape, Cody could be a scary good NT. Worth taking a chance imo

  48. 48 Charlie Kelly said at 8:23 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    lol @ get cody in shape…. he is in a shape… a circle. lol

  49. 49 Mike Roman said at 8:55 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m with you on Allen. He showed improvement last year and he’s worth having for depth and competition. I’d just as soon have him back as pay money for Clemons.

  50. 50 bill said at 9:51 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Good job – so far, 1 down, 3 to go…

  51. 51 TheRogerPodacter said at 9:57 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    there’s Carroll for you. which one’s next? : D

  52. 52 Keepingitreal said at 7:48 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    classy article by a classy guy. Spot on once more Tommy!

  53. 53 Poppi said at 9:46 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    agreed!

  54. 54 Scott J said at 8:04 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m ok with them not overpaying for Byrd, but I’m disappointed they didn’t get another top 2nd-tier safety like Whitner. The reason those 2nd tier safeties got large contracts is because teams are realizing how important that position has become. So now we have a safety who led the league in missed tackles, a second year, 5th-round, draft pick that was injured, and ????. Nate Allen? A rookie? Theres no guarantee that we can draft Pryor or Clinton-Dix.

  55. 55 Anders said at 8:22 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    So you want a safety who cant cover and can only hit and is a walking 15 yard penalty and 1 bad hit away from a suspension?

  56. 56 Scott J said at 8:26 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    And who do you want?

  57. 57 Anders said at 10:17 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I wanted Byrd and Jenkins. I understand why we didnt get Byrd because he just got filthy rich

  58. 58 Charlie Kelly said at 8:13 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Ward got nearly the same money [er year just more years… anyway the saints play by play guy pretty much said jenkins sucks. yikes. now thats bad.

  59. 59 Rage114 said at 8:18 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I must be in the minority. I like the moves they made. They haven’t signed any 3-4 OLB (and I didn’t want Ware – overrated at this point in his career) but I still hold out hope they can trade for Jordan. After all, Miami hasn’t signed any 4-3 DEs either.

  60. 60 Cliff said at 8:20 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Saw that Ware got $20 mil guaranteed. That’s outrageous.

  61. 61 Bob Brewer said at 8:21 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    And now for a completely rambling post…

    Ware and Revis didn’t want to come here and it takes 2 to tango.

    How you feel about the Eagles and free agency is what your opinion of Jenkins is. Some think he’s going to be very good here, some not so much. To me it’s a “meh” signing. It really doesn’t do much for me; thus, I don’t really think too much of what the Eagles have done.

    I also believe that the Eagles had more holes to fill than 1 free agency period could fix. And that’s why I’m not stressing about it.

    To me their inactivity in the DB market means they’re anticipating a good DB will be available at 22.

    I have no idea what their plan for the pass rush is.

  62. 62 Rage114 said at 8:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Why do you think Ware and Revis did not want to come here? I don’t think the Eagles had any interest in Ware and I don’t think they wanted to pay Revis what he wanted. Also, don’t discount 2011. It wasn’t that long ago that they signed everyone including Asomugha, who many at that time thought he was just as good if not better than Revis. I think that disaster is still too fresh in Roseman and Lurie’s minds to go down that road right now.

  63. 63 Bob Brewer said at 8:42 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Their actions to me indicated that they had a preferred team that they wanted to go to.

    But you could be right. Maybe they didn’t want to come here was harsh, but to me they had an ideal team they were looking for and acted accordingly.

  64. 64 D3FB said at 4:57 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I don’t think they didn’t want to come here but if you look at it they went to situations that are better for them as players. Ware is nearing the twilight of his career, and he went to one of the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. Revis got good money to go play for a defensive guru on a one year prove it contract, for a team that is a perennial AFC championship game attendee.

  65. 65 begatts6174 said at 8:35 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Bob, I totally agree with your first point. You can only be upset at not signing Ware or Revis if you believe they wanted to be here, but the Eagles balked. Ware took the first flight he could get to Denver and Revis signed with NE almost as quickly as he was cut. Did the Eagles ever have a real shot at those guys?

  66. 66 begatts6174 said at 8:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think the angst about not signing the “big names” is a little overblown. Do the Eagles have some holes? Of course. Are they major holes? I wouldn’t say that. Would it have been nice to get Byrd, Ware or Revis? Damn straight! Sure they can upgrade some positions, but that can be and should be done through the draft. This upcoming draft is being called “the best in years” in terms of overall talent and depth. There will be players that can help the team this season.

    I think its also important to keep in mind that the progress the team made last season was a total surprise. They are ahead of the projected curve, but still need to develop the team and upgrade positions. Howie and CK are trying to build a sustainable organization. One that can contend each year like the 2001 – 2008 Eagles or the Patriots since forever. You don’t do that by giving $9m to a guy playing 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. Dawk never saw that type of money and he was a much better all around player than Byrd.

    Remember, its only year-two. The Eagles are way ahead of where they were last year at this time. They players now know the offensive and defensive systems and should only get better. Existing players can actually help new / rookie players learn and develop. They couldn’t do that last year, they were all new to it. They Eagles haven’t gone backwards at spot on the roster, save maybe backup QB. They upgraded at Safety and STs and possibly the backup S and LB positions in signing Maragos and Braman. They could have very well upgraded at WR with re-signing a healthy Maclin. The remainder of the roster is entact from last year and can be upgraded through the upcoming draft.

  67. 67 bill said at 8:28 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    As far as the “stud” pass rusher at ROLB, I still think it’s too early to be 100% that’s the player they’re looking for. Most likely, the conventional wisdom is right, and that’s what they’ll target. But given all this talk and focus on versatility, and ability to disguise what defender is doing what on any given play, I just can’t shake the feeling that Chip and Howie are going to shock people with the type of OLB they target in the draft.
    As far as Jenkins, I think he’s a reflection of the underlying defensive philosophy: limit the other team’s big plays. One of the primary ways of doing that is making sure that they can’t scheme awful matchups against your D. Jenkins’s coverage ability is going to help out with that goal. He may not be a huge playmaker, but he’s going to make a difference in 3rd and longs.
    I’ve been saying it since the season ended – I don’t think this team is as close to contending as many apparently seem to think. The talent gap between the Eagles and SEA, SF, and NO is just too big, at least for another year. And that’s with me being optimistic that Foles can be a top 10 QB. If worst case scenario happens and Nick falls back to earth/flames out/etc., they’re even further away than I have them. The patient, steady approach is the correct one, for now.

  68. 68 Sean said at 8:53 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    New Orleans does not belong in the same class as San Fran and Seattle. They’re in the second tier of NFC teams, along with the Eagles, the Packers, and possibly the Panthers.

  69. 69 bill said at 9:01 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Perhaps not with SEA or SF, but looking at their talent level vs. Eagles, I think they’re clearly a cut above.

  70. 70 D3FB said at 4:46 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    But they aren’t outrageously better. We don’t have to beat them 6 out of 10 times, we only have to beat them once. In the playoffs funny stuff happens. The Chiefs had a roster lightyears ahead of the colts. Those Giants teams that won the Superbowls weren’t the best teams in the league.

  71. 71 Weapon Y said at 8:31 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Not upset about Revis or Ware. I’m not quoting PFF about Jenkins. That’s a straw man fallacy. I’m citing Sean Payton, a Super Bowl winning coach who schooled us in the playoffs and might have done so again in free agency.

  72. 72 Neil said at 10:59 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m moving the conversation we were having to this new thread. Here’s my reply I made over there until I saw this newer post by you.

    I’ve said this elsewhere, but the Saints defense is not built on
    versatile players. They’re going to line up Byrd as the single deep
    safety play after play. They’re going to have him do the one thing he’s
    so good at. IE, Byrd fits what they want to do. It’s not as simple as
    talent.

    And despite that, in my opinion, they’re going to regret that contract because of Austinfan’s observations of Byrd.

  73. 73 Weapon Y said at 2:50 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Or maybe we’re running the wrong system and should change it to maximize the value of Byrd’s potential, instead of Jenkins’s mediocre potential. You can talk all you want about Byrd, but you haven’t explained what’s so good about Jenkins.

  74. 74 Neil said at 3:19 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Byrd’s a good player. Great instincts and limited athlete. He’s not a great player. He’s definitely not some transcendental talent that you would be stupid not to hand 9mil/year and then do a 180 on your defensive philosophy. We could build our scheme around a player like JJ Watt. As our roster stands, or could have stood with someone like Byrd, it’s more important our scheme is what our coaches believe in rather than what suits one player who has been hyped up beyond reason.

    Jenkins is a solid player who is a great fit for what our coaches believe in and want to do.

  75. 75 begatts6174 said at 8:31 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    One last thing to keep in mind. Look at the teams who shelled out huge dollars for Byrd, Ware and Revis. Byrd & New Orleans = 35 year old, superstar QB, not many opportunities left to win it all. Ware & Denver = 37 year old, superstar QB. Revis & New England = 36 year old, superstar QB. Think those teams might be feeling a bit desperate?!

  76. 76 eagleyankfan said at 8:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Desperate? I don’t think so. I think they know their window is closing so they are making an effort. Our window just started to open.

  77. 77 eagleyankfan said at 8:39 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I don’t think Revis/Decker made a great decisions on their signings. Pats are on their way down, not up. Jets — well, they’re the laughing stock of the NFL. Why sign with the Jets? NE benefits from being in a weak division so yeah, they’ll win the division and make the playoffs. But that’s about it. I thought Revis would have chosen a team on the rise. Maybe he will after next year.

  78. 78 Mike Roman said at 8:49 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    What bothers me is that the Saints, who are really up against the cap, were willing to let Jenkins walk at a reasonable salary to give Byrd a record deal. It’s also troublesome that the guys who cover the Saints closely are happy to see Jenkins go.

  79. 79 eagleyankfan said at 8:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m just repeating what someone else has said. I have no idea if it’s true or not — but I view it as our only hope.
    Byrd is perfect as the sit back and play CF. The Eagles safety scheme requires a lot more out of the safety. Blitzes/covering the slot guy etc etc. That’s where Jenkins is a fit in that he can play all over the field. Now, whether or Byrd can do that, I have no idea. But it’s our only hope of an upgrade that Jenkins is the right fit.

  80. 80 Mike Roman said at 9:26 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I suppose that Rob Ryan may prefer a ball hawking safety, whereas Billy Davis wants someone with versatility. But at the same time, we know Davis’ scheme is predicated on creating turnovers, which is something Jenkins hasn’t done up to this point.

  81. 81 Neil said at 10:54 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Davis’s scheme creates turnovers through coaching and playcalling. Keep the offense off guard, don’t let them figure out what we’re doing most of the time until the snap, and sometime the QB will realise what we’re doing too late. He doesn’t sit a ballhawk in the deep middle and tell him make plays.

    Boykin was a player who had a lot of different responsibilities and look what he turned into. Jenkins with the saints was basically doing what they’re now going to ask Byrd to do. Jenkins definitely was not suited to that role.

  82. 82 Mike Roman said at 11:20 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I can accept that premise. I hope you’re right. As long as he can create some turnovers in any combination of FF, FR, and INTs, I’ll be quite happy.

  83. 83 Bob Brewer said at 8:59 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Your point is why I’m not exactly high on the move either. It’s an improvement but that isn’t saying much.

  84. 84 Bob Brewer said at 8:54 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Eagles traded for Darren Sproles per Schefter

  85. 85 Alex Karklins said at 8:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’d prefer DAT for that role, but OK. I hope they didn’t give up too much for him.

  86. 86 Bob Brewer said at 9:10 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Per Eskin it’s for a draft pick, but I hope it isn’t much either.

  87. 87 Bob Brewer said at 9:15 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Update, per Schefter 5th round pick. Uncertain if it was PHI’s pick or NE’s pick.

  88. 88 Alex Karklins said at 9:20 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sopoaga for Sproles. I’ll take it. Although I would like to see the Eagles get a few more picks via trade before the draft.

  89. 89 Dominik said at 9:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Exactly. Losing picks in this draft is not the best of ideas. The haters are going to say that Payton screwed us again. 🙂

    But hey, we have a return man. We have a good backup for Shady. We have an Offensive Weapon.

    Let’s trade Brown for the pick we just lost. 🙂

  90. 90 Alex Karklins said at 9:31 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I was thinking Graham and/or Curry.

  91. 91 Dominik said at 9:33 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Graham yes, Curry only if the offer is good, imho.

    But we need picks. Trade down, if there’s no stud OLB or Safety on the board.

  92. 92 Mac said at 9:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Maybe the Browns want him… But I didn’t see his name on their leaked board.

  93. 93 Dominik said at 9:42 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Leaked board? Help me out here, please.

  94. 94 Mac said at 9:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    https://twitter.com/DawgsByNature/status/443860745906692096/photo/1

  95. 95 Dominik said at 10:24 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Seriously, how is something like that possible?

  96. 96 sflomenb said at 8:58 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Eagles just traded for Sproles. Meh.

  97. 97 goeagles55 said at 9:11 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    It should be a late pick. At the least, he adds more help to special teams and is an upgrade to spell Shady.

  98. 98 ICDogg said at 9:19 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    one of the 5ths

  99. 99 nicolajNN said at 9:21 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Apparently it’s the one we got from the Sopoaga trade

  100. 100 goeagles55 said at 9:27 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Chip Kelly loves players that help knock his team out of championship contention.

    Bennie Logan – (2011) #4 LSU defeats #2 Oregon in the season opener, deflating the optimistic hopes for the season.

    Matt Barkley – (2011) #18 USC defeats #4 Oregon, undefeated since LSU, knocking them out of consideration for the national championship

    Zach Ertz – (2012) #13 Stanford upsets the undefeated #2 Oregon Ducks.

    Malcom Jenkins, Darren Sproles – (2013) Saints knock Eagles out of the playoffs

    Chip Kelly’s ideal QB? Cam Newton

  101. 101 Dominik said at 9:32 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    That’s interesting. Chip hated to gameplan around Jenkins. That makes sense, Chip likes mismatches and Jenkins is, by all accounts, a jack of all trades but great at none kind of player. He isn’t great, but he eliminates mismatches.

    The bigger question would be: do all good play callers think that way?

  102. 102 Mitchell said at 9:30 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I know Howie is smarter than to lose picks in this draft. Watch for some trades for picks coming my friends.

  103. 103 Dominik said at 9:32 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    We have Brown and hopefully Graham for that. No one will give anything for Damaris Johnson, I guess.

  104. 104 Mitchell said at 9:44 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I certainly wouldn’t lol.

  105. 105 Dominik said at 9:46 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Maybe Andy wants him. It’s a shame he basically has to renew his whole O-Line except for #1 Pick Fisher, otherwise he maybe would invest a 7th rounder. 😉

  106. 106 ICDogg said at 9:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Back to Vacation Mode:
    Foles and Sproles and Foles and Sproles and Foles and Sproles and Foles and Sproles…
    http://www.marketmenot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/geico-pig-boots-and-pants-commercial.jpg

  107. 107 Mac said at 9:35 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Next column heading… Turning Soap into Sproles.

  108. 108 Red Neck said at 9:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    This team is on it’s way to being a legit superbowl team. But, this Eagles team is certainly not as good as the 2004 team that needed that one or two player(s) from putting us over the top. The point is, the Saints, Broncos, and Patriots window of opportunity is closing fast, so they have to go for it now. Whereas the Eagles window is just opening. Nick Foles isn’t even close to his prime yet. If Foles pans out the way we all hope, how much will his extension be? Then add in extensions for Boykin, Ertz, Cox, ect… We are going to need that cap space for the young guns not the expensive free agents. Of course Bryd would of improved our secondary, but he is not the one missing piece. NO ONE thought the Eagles would turn it around this fast in the first place. The common thought was that last seasons success wouldn’t even come until this year anyway. Don’t rush the process, let it form, grow, build.

  109. 109 Dominik said at 9:41 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    But let’s also be reasonable here. Foles will get a huge extension if he keeps on developing, no doubt. But Boykin is a slot corner, Ertz has to play two more years under his rookie contract and Cox is talented, but not great. Same for Kendricks. We don’t have to break the bank for those players. If they make a jump – fine. But let’s not anticipate that all of those players will sign top money deals.

    Don’t turn into the Cowboys, but don’t be too conservative, either.

  110. 110 ICDogg said at 9:44 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think the fact that the first year of the team’s rebuild went so well has fooled some fans into thinking that we are a year ahead of schedule in building this team. We’re not. We’re still building.

  111. 111 Poppi said at 9:47 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Just saw the over/under for wins is 8.5 seems right – we have a brutal schedule against NFC west and division winners

  112. 112 Dominik said at 9:49 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m glad we have to play the Panthers and not the Saints. 😉

    And the whole NFC East has to play the NFC West. Otherwise it would be brutal.

  113. 113 Poppi said at 9:54 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    agree – good thing the NFC east is down, but won’t be for too long. Love how exciting the Kelly offense is –

  114. 114 nicolajNN said at 9:49 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    And now the Eagles have reached agreement with former Dolphins CB Nolan Carroll. Philly moving and shaking.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 13, 2014

  115. 115 Dominik said at 9:50 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Yes, we needed a CB #4. Can’t let Carmichael play that role. Is Carroll good? I think I read about him, but doesn’t know where anymore.

  116. 116 DamonL86 said at 9:52 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    First move i really don’t like this guy gets burnt left and right.

  117. 117 ICDogg said at 9:53 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Started in relief of Marshall for most of ’12.

  118. 118 austinfan said at 10:59 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Carroll is another example of what they look for when “bottom feeding,” very good athlete who was coached up by someone else and is heading into his peak years (age 27).

    5’11 1/2 204 lbs [4.42 1.53 17 4.21 6.81 37 10’3]
    More size/speed for STs, 4th CB who’s a serious upgrade over Carmichael if Fletcher gets dinged (which is a good Vegas bet).
    Made a big jump in 2013, ended up with 3 Int, 12 PD, PFF had him just above 0, so he wasn’t stinking out the joint, only allowed 47% complete though quality of opposing QBs had something to do with that.

  119. 119 Mike Roman said at 10:03 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Open-letter-to-Jeffrey-Laurie-and-Howie-Rosen-Stop-messing-up-free-agency.html

    This article is pretty funny on the surface, but it does bug me a little bit. The beat writers love to think they know more about sports than the fans because they get inside the locker rooms. Write favorable articles about the team and you’re going to get some scoops to report on.

    The fact is that the Eagles have been playing the salary cap / right fit / build through the draft game for 12 years and they don’t have a Super Bowl to show for it. Who are Jimmy Kempski or Jeff McClane to look down on the opinion of the fans? Any one of us have exactly as many rings as either of them or Jeff Lurie does.

  120. 120 CrackSammich said at 10:29 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Jimmy’s not looking down on fans. He’s looking down on idiot fans.

  121. 121 Mike Roman said at 11:18 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Yes, that’s why it’s funny on the surface. But it does still bug me that sports writers think they know so much more than the fans.

  122. 122 D3FB said at 4:23 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I mean you have to remember that Jimmy is basically one of us. He got his start as a commenter at BGN who then got promoted to assistant bloglord. Then he started his own blog. He’s only been a “sports writer” since July. And even then I’m pretty sure you’re never gonna see any of the CSN guys with stick figures or tables of stats in their articles.

  123. 123 Mike Roman said at 9:02 AM on March 14th, 2014:

    Yeah, I get that. I don’t think Jimmy is necessarily one of THOSE journalists that look down on the fans. But his article did strike a nerve with me because it got me thinking about the ones who do think they are mightier than thou.

  124. 124 austinfan said at 10:44 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    You got to be kidding: “they don’t have a Super Bowl to show for it.” Let’s see, the Patriots won 3 times, the Giants 2, Steelers 2, 7 other teams once, so in 14 years, 10 of 32 teams won a Super Bowl. Eagles got to one, four trips to the NFCCG, so it’s not like they weren’t competitive. Unless you build a great team, and don’t have bad luck (inopportune injuries), you need a lot of good luck (Tyree) to win a SB.

    I look down on the opinion of most fans because they’re idiots. For the most part these are people who are too lazy to read, research, watch film or otherwise educate themselves, they watch a game with a few beers (don’t we all) and that’s the beginning and end for them, other than listening to WIP or the fools on ESPN or the hacks on Fox or the NFL network.

    It’s not hard to be educated on football or anything else in the age of Google – bookmark people like Tommy and Jimmy, Sheil K, Pro Football Reference, etc. Dig a little instead of taking the word of some talking head. Weigh the evidence, then come to your own conclusion, if it’s well thought out and supported with evidence, people will take you seriously. If you talk out of your ass, well, people will take you for one.

  125. 125 Neil said at 10:48 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    The thing about most fans, and most people, they’re not interested in being right but feeling right. They look for information sources that echo their opinions back to them, etc., instantly reject anything that disagrees, etc. Learning is change is work. And they’re tired.

  126. 126 Mike Roman said at 12:28 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sorry, I don’t think I really made my point that clear. I was just using the Super Bowl as an example to illustrate that none of us have rings on our fingers so don’t act like you’re so much more knowledgeable than the fans and that their opinions don’t count. Obviously Jimmy was making fun of the sports talk callers from South Philly that bitch, moan and complain about the Eagles moves without any facts or knowledge to back up their outlandish opinions. But I do think there are plenty of people in the sports media who look down on ALL fans, as if to say “the fans aren’t in the locker room so they can’t possibly know anything”. I’m not saying that is Jimmy’s attitude at all, but his article triggered my disdain (not quite the word I’m looking for) for some writers.

  127. 127 Crus57 said at 10:31 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    With Jenkins and now Sproles it looks like our philosophy is “to beat the Saints you must become the Saints”.

  128. 128 Baloophi said at 11:47 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Look for us to sign Patrick, Valentine, and Francis of Assisi…

  129. 129 Arby1 said at 12:01 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Francis could definitely help us tame the seahawks, dophins, bears, broncos, etc.

  130. 130 A Roy said at 12:59 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    And don’t forget that we need to sign Simon Templar. (The Saint.)

  131. 131 GermanEagle said at 10:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Just realized: Sproles only signed through 2014. Eagles essentially giving up 5th-rounder for one-year rental/tryout.

    Stupid trade by Howie. I really don’t know why they seem to not value 5th round picks since Trent Cole anymore…

  132. 132 Anders said at 10:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Because you once in a decade gets a very good starter?

  133. 133 Anders said at 10:40 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    We also have had 12 5th round picks since Trent Cole pick, that is 2 per year and the best player we got is Celek and Cooper.

  134. 134 ztom6 said at 12:38 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Kelce was a 6th, does he count?

  135. 135 Anders said at 12:58 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    No, but because we hate 5th rounders not 6th according to GE

  136. 136 Crus57 said at 10:40 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Nothing to say they can’t extend him, though? At least now they have first shot at him if he fits in well this year.

  137. 137 GermanEagle said at 10:57 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    He will be 32 next year. Highly doubt he will get contract extension from Eagles.

  138. 138 austinfan said at 11:05 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Once you get past pick #150, the odds of finding a starter fall below 10%, and the odds of finding even a solid backup are only about 1 in 4 or so. In other words, there isn’t a lot of value in a late 5th rd pick, especially in a team that’s more stable than last year (i.e. fewer open roster spots, so that pick is likely to be waived and hopefully make the PS).

    Not thrilled by Sproles unless he can turn it around, but he’s basically a one year stopgap while they draft/develop a return man.

  139. 139 Baloophi said at 11:50 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    There is trade value in a 5th rounder in terms of moving up, though that wouldn’t be my strategy in this year’s draft.

  140. 140 ztom6 said at 12:38 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    is that based on the first year or does it look at a player’s entire career? 5th round is where you usually look at players you can develop for down the road.

  141. 141 Insomniac said at 11:08 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Mentor for Dri Archer when we pick him with the 5th we have left.

  142. 142 Patrick said at 11:21 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Lets not overwhelmed with the value of a late 5th round pick. Looking over the 2013 draft, I recoqized Kenny Stills, Zac Stacy and Earl Wolff(+ 2 punters) as players who actually contributed this year.
    Sproles helps our return game and our passing game, even if he isn’t the same player anymore. If he had gotten cut, it sure sounds like some teams, I saw the Browns, would have paid him more than enough.

  143. 143 D3FB said at 4:20 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Micah Hyde, Jordan Mills, Luke Wilson

  144. 144 Neil said at 10:41 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    On Revis, I’m fairly certain he wanted a one year deal wherever he went so he could prove he’s still the best CB and get paid like it again. I don’t blame the eagles at all for passing on what would probably be a rental.

  145. 145 Rage114 said at 11:08 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Obviously, the Eagles are a better overall team with Sproles than without. However, I am not be enamored with the fact that the Eagles traded a pick for a player that was going to and wanted to be released. He is an older player that may or may not help the return game (ie he didn’t have a good year last year and I am not convinced he will return to form) and the Eagles have him for only one year. Beyond all that, I looked at the idea of upgrading the back up RB position as more of a luxury than a need. Brown and Polk were good enough.

    Glad the Eagles have him but scratching my head over the details.

  146. 146 Iskar36 said at 11:22 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Agree with most of this except for the upgrading the backup RB spot. Brown showed potential his rookie season, but since then hasn’t been very productive. At running back, where the careers are so short, I don’t like waiting too long on “potential”. I do think bringing in quality competition at running back is important and if that guy means Brown or Polk gets cut, so be it. I don’t think either of those guys are special and if CK thought so, i think he would have used them significantly more last season.

  147. 147 Rage114 said at 11:41 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Good points about Brown and Polk. Sproles definitely is an upgrade over both players and the team is definitely improved. I guess to clarify what I was trying to write, I didn’t look at back up RB as a pressing need to the point that draft picks should be involved. I thought the position could be addressed through the draft for instance.

  148. 148 Iskar36 said at 11:53 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    “I didn’t look at back up RB as a pressing need to the point that draft
    picks should be involved. I thought the position could be addressed
    through the draft for instance.”

    I understand what you’re saying, but at the end of the day don’t you have to use a draft pick to draft a player also? :-p

  149. 149 Arby1 said at 12:09 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I’m guessing he’s a slot replacement for Avant more than a RB in our system. Just a guess..

  150. 150 Iskar36 said at 11:14 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I know Sproles is a big name and everything, but a 5th round pick for a guy who would have otherwise been cut seems like an expensive price. I think his name makes him a bigger deal than his recent success. Here are some of his recent numbers:

    Rushing
    ………..ATT…….YDS…….AVG…..TD
    2011….87………603…….6.9……..2
    2012….48………244…….5.1……..1
    2013….53………220…….4.2……..2

    Receiving
    ………..REC…….YDS…..YPC…..TD
    2011….86………710…….8.3……..7
    2012….75………667…….8.9……..7
    2013…..71……..604…….8.5……..2

    Punt Returns
    ………..ATT…….YDS…….AVG….LNG
    2011….29………294…….10.1…..72
    2012….23………183…….7.6……..37
    2013….29………194…….6.7……..28

    Kickoffs
    ………..ATT…….YDS…….AVG……LNG
    2011….40……..1089…….27.2…..92
    2012….18………483……..26.8…..48
    2013….12………255……..21.3…..32

    Beyond receiving, his numbers all took a major dip in 2013 after already declining. His return numbers, something a lot of fans seem to be saying is a reason to love signing him, are actually not all that impressive from last year. I wouldn’t have minding bringing Sproles in if he had gotten cut and we signed him to a reasonably cheap contract. I also wouldn’t have minded him for a 7th round pick, but a 5th seems way to expensive, at least for his 2013 stats.

  151. 151 Anders said at 11:17 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    How do you know he would have been cut?

  152. 152 Iskar36 said at 11:24 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    All the rumors surrounding him were that we was either going to be cut or traded. If they traded him to someplace else… so be it. If they kept him instead of taking a lesser trade, so be it. Either way, 5th round pick seems high for a guy that the team had put out there was going to be cut.

  153. 153 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:25 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    i’d be pissed if some other team traded a 6th rd pick for him and we couldn’t match that.

  154. 154 Iskar36 said at 11:26 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    I know a 5th vs a 6th doesn’t sound like a huge difference, but to me, I think there is something to be said about trading a 6th rather than the 5th.

  155. 155 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:30 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    yea, i hear that. but if another team with a better 6th rd pick is in the mix, what do you do? we’d have what, the 22nd pick in that round? there would be 21 other teams that have a better 6th rd pick than us.
    do you offer your 6th rd pick and hope that the saints trade him for lesser compensation?
    or do you go in with a slightly better pick to ensure you get your guy?

    i’m not saying one way is right over another. just saying that if another team got him for a 6th rd pick, i’d be pissed that the FO couldn’t offer something better lol

  156. 156 Iskar36 said at 11:33 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Certainly you have to outbid the other team. My point is simply that if the other team is offering a better 6th, either you get creative and throw in a 2015 draft pick and/or make it a conditional 5th or you walk away. I guess I just don’t think a one year rental of a declining player is worth a 5th round pick.

  157. 157 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    yea, thats fair. there are always other ways to better your own offer. we’ll never know how the negotiations went, so all we can do is debate on the value of the 5th rd pick 😛

    i’m not going to say “OMGZ we got Sproleszzzz”, but i’m not really down on the trade, either. i’m kind of in the middle lol

  158. 158 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:34 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    yea, thats fair. there are always other ways to better your own offer. we’ll never know how the negotiations went, so all we can do is debate on the value of the 5th rd pick 😛

    i’m not going to say “OMGZ we got Sproleszzzz”, but i’m not really down on the trade, either. i’m kind of in the middle lol

  159. 159 D3FB said at 1:52 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    It was leaked late last week that he was going to be cut along w/ Lance Moore and the some other Saints vets to clear cap room. Then on Monday all of a sudden a report came out that they weren’t going to cut him because everyone was interested in him and they figured they could get a return via trade.

  160. 160 Anders said at 5:27 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    There is also “reports” that the Eagles might cut Desean Jackson.

    Any rumors around FA and the draft should be taken with a giant grain of salt.

  161. 161 D3FB said at 6:09 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    This was a more serious one coming from Schefter not just beat reporters fanning flames. It was reported that he was going to be shopped and then they were supposedly going to cut him. Apparently they had sufficient interest in him that they held onto him when they cut everyone else. Sproles himself asked to be cut not traded.

  162. 162 Anders said at 5:03 AM on March 14th, 2014:

    I know that. My point was more to take every thing during start of FA with a grain of salt, even if it is Schefter.

  163. 163 bill said at 11:24 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    My guess is that this was a Chip move more than a Howie move. It’s too counter-trend for the Eagles. There’s gotta be something specific that they liked there that overcame the otherwise obvious mismatch between philosophy and player. What that is, and whether they’re right about it, I have no idea.

  164. 164 Iskar36 said at 11:29 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Fair enough. I do trust Kelly to get the best out of Sproles, but value still is a factor. Having said that, this quote could potentially mean it wasn’t just Chip’s idea:

    https://twitter.com/EaglesInsider/status/444125018499592192

  165. 165 bill said at 11:32 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Just spitballin’, because it strikes me as an odd move at this time. Like with most things, we will know more in the fall.

  166. 166 Baloophi said at 11:52 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    “Many years” is the scary phrase for me…

  167. 167 Iskar36 said at 11:54 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Lol, I was thinking the same thing when I read that quote.

  168. 168 Maggie said at 4:42 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Some unknown PR assistant probably has a number of stock phrases saved up for such times.

  169. 169 Ben Hert said at 2:13 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Couldn’t agree more. The thought of Sproles in our offense is nice, to be sure, buta 5th rounder…its hard to stomach for a guy who was assuredly going to be cut. A 31 year old declining Darren Sproles is no where near as valuable to me as whatever potential we could get in the 5th round.

  170. 170 ACViking said at 11:36 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    All this talk about “Roseman doing [this]” and “Roseman doing [that]” . . . .

    What, exactly is the evidence that Roseman has final say on personnel?

    We know Lurie said that Roseman and Kelly both report to the owner.

    But that does *not* mean Kelly doesn’t have the final say on personnel — during free agency, in the draft, and on September cut-down day.

    Recall the whole Kelly – Fiesta Bowl incident with Cleveland and the Eagles.

    Kelly walked back to Oregon (figuratively speaking).

    Recent reports from the Browns organization suggest that Banner had final say on personnel (and more, possibly).

    In his first talk with the Eagles, I’d wager that — coming off the Reid era — Lurie told Kelly that Roseman would have final say on personnel.

    Kelly said “no” to both teams.

    Subsequently, Kelly changes his mind — and for $6 million (or whatever he’s getting), he’s just not a coach. He wants *his* team. Not Roseman’s version of Kelly’s team.

    At some point, after last season started, a story broke that Kelly signed on with Philadelphia because he secured final say in personnel.

    So I put nothing on Roseman’s head — except hiring scouts, accumulating player evaluations, synthesizing cross-checks, and signing off on final assessments.

    But the choices in personnel we’re going to see are Kelly’s choices.

    At least, that’s where I’d put my house on the monopoly table.

  171. 171 Dominik said at 11:42 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Interesting take. Last year I read: Roseman signs players (and drafts), but Kelly has final say on 53 roster. That’d mean Kelly has huge “negative” power (there is no player on the 53 roster that he doesn’t like), but no “positive” power (meaning: I want that guy and that guy).

    Now, that’s theoretical, of course, those two have to work very closely together. But it would be interesting if you are right and Kelly has “positive” power, too, meaning he could say: bring me that player.

  172. 172 ACViking said at 11:51 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Good take.

    Highlights my point that we don’t know what’s going on at NovaCare

  173. 173 Dominik said at 1:56 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    That’s for sure. 🙂

  174. 174 Baloophi said at 11:55 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Roseman and Kelly are both puppets for the one true King: Don Smolenski

  175. 175 ACViking said at 12:20 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Genius!

  176. 176 austinfan said at 11:59 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Roseman is a lawyer, and trained to work WITH clients.

    It’s a different attitude than most of the GMs we’ve seen, or Banner, where it was about final power to make decisions. The clash of egos.
    Roseman probably sees himself more as a facilitator, getting Chip the kind of players that he wants. If they disagree too much, it’s not a matter of grabbing power but developing a better understanding of what Chip wants as the HC.

    Since Chip simply doesn’t have the time to look at film on every player, Roseman controls the information flow to Chip, and guides him.

    So it’s not a matter of who is in control, but how well they work together, Chip has his menu of player attributes, but Roseman is the one who collates, organizes and filters all the information going to Chip (here’s the list of guys who fit your requirements, here’s the DVDs of their play). Chip may make the “final” decisions, but only off the menu that Roseman provides him.

  177. 177 ACViking said at 12:18 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I agree with your premise . . . but not the part that Roseman’s trained to work with clients because he’s a lawyer — that’s not a class in law school; and Roseman became an Eagles’ bean-counter directly out of school. He’s never practiced law a day in his life, except negotiating contracts for the Eagles — mostly under parameters set by Banner, a non-lawyer who handled the big negotiations, I suspect. Until Banner’s departure, that is.

    But I absolutely believe that — other than the game tapes and games that Kelly’s watched — Roseman’s his information filter. In that capacity, Roseman and his scouts can influence draft day.

    But I’m left wondering if Kelly’s going to expand his personnel universe the way Reid did (“it’s Modrak or me”) over the next couple years . . . as Kelly sees more games, watches more tapes, and does a couple more drafts.

  178. 178 bill said at 12:28 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I get the feeling that the “conflict” aspect is overwrought, at least for now. These guys are collaborators, not competitors. Sure, every once in a while, there might be a disagreement, but 99.99% of the time, they’re going to be on the same page, because I do think that Howie sees his role as a facilitator. I think when a “conflict” comes up, the resolution comes through persuasion, and that ultimately, it’s Chip’s call, because if Chip’s not going to use the player, it does no good to acquire him.

  179. 179 ACViking said at 12:54 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Bill —

    I suspect you’re right.

    All I was driving at in my initial comment is that Roseman’s getting more grief than he deserves.

  180. 180 bill said at 1:13 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I agree. I wasn’t arguing against, but amplifying your point. Wasn’t clear about that.

  181. 181 ICDogg said at 2:03 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    That comes with his job description 🙂

  182. 182 Maggie said at 4:39 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Where is Gamble in all of this? Perhaps he is the one who looks at Kelly’s needs/wants list, then at Roseman’s dollars available, with rollover for the next 5 years, and then trots out his best possible selections for approval. It is a team in the FO, too, and I don’t think Kelly has time to scout everybody personally. He has made it clear that he does not WANT to spend all of his time scouting/recruiting. Kelly’s needs/wants list is paramount no doubt.

  183. 183 ACViking said at 11:36 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    All this talk about “Roseman doing [this]” and “Roseman doing [that]” . . . .

    What, exactly is the evidence that Roseman has final say on personnel?

    We know Lurie said that Roseman and Kelly both report to the owner.

    But that does *not* mean Kelly doesn’t have the final say on personnel — during free agency, in the draft, and on September cut-down day.

    Recall the whole Kelly – Fiesta Bowl incident with Cleveland and the Eagles.

    Kelly walked back to Oregon (figuratively speaking).

    Recent reports from the Browns organization suggest that Banner had final say on personnel (and more, possibly).

    In his first talk with the Eagles, I’d wager that — coming off the Reid era — Lurie told Kelly that Roseman would have final say on personnel.

    Kelly said “no” to both teams.

    Subsequently, Kelly changes his mind — and for $6 million (or whatever he’s getting), he’s just not a coach. He wants *his* team. Not Roseman’s version of Kelly’s team.

    At some point, after last season started, a story broke that Kelly signed on with Philadelphia because he secured final say in personnel.

    So I put nothing on Roseman’s head — except hiring scouts, accumulating player evaluations, synthesizing cross-checks, and signing off on final assessments.

    But the choices in personnel we’re going to see are Kelly’s choices.

    At least, that’s where I’d put my house on the monopoly table.

  184. 184 eagleyankfan said at 11:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sproles signing is just to back up that theory of trading DJ. DJ value last year started with those screens and option plays from the backfield. Sproles will now take over on those plays making DJ is more expendable to trade(along with giving Cooper/Maclin getting boat loads of money).

  185. 185 TheRogerPodacter said at 11:40 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    damaris johnson? : P

  186. 186 Dominik said at 11:43 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    TRADE HIM FOR A FIRST ROUNDER, GOD DAMNIT!

  187. 187 eagleyankfan said at 12:08 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Maybe I’m only half kidding? Panthers release Smith. Right now, the best WR on the Panthers might be McNutt. They have no WR. I just found the Eagles trading partner…

  188. 188 Dominik said at 1:59 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sadly, the Panthers will know that the draft is full of good WR, too. Sign one, draft one and they could be alright.

    But hey, I will celebrate if Howie gets a 7nd rounder for nothing. 😉

  189. 189 eagleyankfan said at 11:37 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sproles signing is just to back up that theory of trading DJ. DJ value last year started with those screens and option plays from the backfield. Sproles will now take over on those plays making DJ is more expendable to trade(along with giving Cooper/Maclin getting boat loads of money).

  190. 190 barneygoogle said at 11:38 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Darren Sproles? A versatile weapon. It may mean DeSean Jackson is less important now. DeSean knows the offense could survive without him now, and so maybe he’ll be more a team guy this season. Bet this makes him a better player.

  191. 191 bridgecoach said at 11:51 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Versatility is the key word. Sproles is productive in a diverse number of ways in the NFL – exactly the clay Chip Kelly likes to work with.

  192. 192 Tumtum said at 1:25 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    If Desean can get better than last year I would be thoroughly impressed. I felt like he met his potential finally. Very satisfied with the results too.

  193. 193 ChaosOnion said at 1:38 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Desean returns Punts. Sproles returns more Kicks.

  194. 194 Baloophi said at 1:46 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    And Damaris returns his playbook.

  195. 195 Cafone said at 1:44 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Yeah, let’s replace one of the best wide receivers fans under 40 have ever seen play for the Eagles with a 31 year old RB. Brilliant!

  196. 196 barneygoogle said at 3:17 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    You miss the point. Sproles will catch the ball mostly out of the backfield and still make big plays. Very different aspect of the offense–but his yards count as much as Jackson’s. Jackson will be featured less now (and he knows it) unless he can play better against top corners and stop disappearing in big games.

  197. 197 sprawl said at 4:30 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Touchdown, first down, get down.

    Excited to see what Chip is able to do with Sproles against some of the defensive schemes that were killing us last year. We were hitting on the occasional big plays but when we needed to burn down the clock late in games and weren’t threatening over the top we were getting stopped more often than not (outside the TB and GB game killing drives)

    I think Sproles lined up in the slot with Shady in the backfield will get a different response than we were getting with Avant there last year.

  198. 198 Maggie said at 4:33 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Also, many thought that Shady needed a few less touches. A dependable backup. so now he has one.

  199. 199 barneygoogle said at 11:38 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    Darren Sproles? A versatile weapon. It may mean DeSean Jackson is less important now. DeSean knows the offense could survive without him now, and so maybe he’ll be more a team guy this season. Bet this makes him a better player.

  200. 200 Baloophi said at 11:59 AM on March 13th, 2014:

    @ AC

    I’m gonna start one of your posts, and then you finish it off by digging deeper into the annals (whoa!)…

    ********

    This isn’t the first time the Eagles have signed a veteran return specialist. In 2000, a young Andy Reid plucked a 32 year old returner from the Redskins by the name of Brian Mitchell…

  201. 201 T_S_O_P said at 12:05 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    And Brian Mitchell begat Brian Westbrook. Will Sproles tutor De’Anthony?

  202. 202 Baloophi said at 12:10 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    If we follow the formula it has to be a “Darren.”

    Homonym-wise we’ve got Darrin Reaves, out of UAB.

  203. 203 ACViking said at 12:36 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    B . . .

    And Mitchell made the Eagles’ return game a regular threat not seen in these parts since the days of former Villanova WR Billy Walik (No. 9 in your Eagles program).

    Maybe Mitchell’s greatest game as an Eagle reflected the best and worst of the man who brought him to Philadelphia — Andy Reid.

    In the 2002 NFC title game against Tampa, the Bucs kicked off conventionally to Mitchell twice early. And Mitchell had huge run-backs, nearly breaking one for a TD.

    But Tampa’s head coach made an in-game adjustment — setting him apart from Andy Reid.

    Gruden said, “no mas” to PK Martin Gramatica. And then we only saw squib kicks the rest of the game.

    Mitchell, the Eagles only real threat that night, was neutralized. And Reid refused to adjust by running run the ball even though the Bucs couldn’t stop Duce Staley.

    For me, Brian Mitchell is best remembered for what he did on that last cold night in the Vet’s final game.

    Where Billy Walik opened the Vet with the first official kick return, Mitchell closed the Vet down.

  204. 204 austinfan said at 12:41 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Actually, the Bucs shut Duce down, after a 20 yard TD run to start the game, he averaged 1 yard a rush the rest of the day. Kiffin wasn’t senile yet.

  205. 205 ACViking said at 12:50 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    A . . .

    Actually Staley average just over 3 YPC the rest of the game.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301190phi.htm

    But I get your point. Regardless, the passing game was going nowhere that night. Even Warren Sapp laughed about it later, saying (in substance) that the Bucs knew the Eagles wouldn’t run the ball much.

  206. 206 Tumtum said at 1:22 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Encyclopedic Eagles noggin you have.

  207. 207 A Roy said at 12:01 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    What does the board think about CB Nolan Carroll?

  208. 208 Baloophi said at 12:06 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    If he’s somehow a combination of Nolan Ryan and Lewis Carroll, then we can look forward to a workhorse with an unhittable fastball who can also regale teammates in the locker room with psychedelic children’s tales…

  209. 209 Baloophi said at 12:27 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Also, Advil will be gentler on his stomach than aspirin.

  210. 210 A Roy said at 12:54 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Of course, if he’s a combination of Mike Nolan and Carroll O’Connor, he can help coach with a sanctimonious, know-it-all attitude.

  211. 211 Baloophi said at 12:57 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    And sit in a ratty armchair while wearing a three piece suit.

  212. 212 Mitchell said at 12:11 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Hesitantly optimistic ? We needed depth at cb so badly.

  213. 213 Tumtum said at 1:14 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    My only familiarity with him is some pretty costly lapses in coverage. I just hope he is an adequate back up. I personally view him and Carmichael on even ground atm I guess. Probably off base but fairly clueless.

  214. 214 Baloophi said at 12:20 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Glean from this what you will, but when you rearrange the letters in Darren Sproles, you get…

    Red Porn Lasers

  215. 215 ACViking said at 12:22 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    These are pearls . . .

  216. 216 Baloophi said at 12:23 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Or Nerd’s Pearls

    (also an anagram)

  217. 217 ACViking said at 12:23 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    You’re on one of your rolls

  218. 218 Rambler said at 1:49 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I am really curious to see what fuels such “rolls” of his… caffeine, quercetin, zinfandel, PBR, Old Grand-Dad bourbon, mimosas, Pop Rocks, Monster Cuba Lima energy drink, marijuana (legally if he lives in Colorado), horse tranquilizer, Bath Salts, Zoloft, gluttonous amounts of Philly Steak & Cheese Hot Pockets??? Or maybe some sort of dangerous combination of all of the above?

  219. 219 Sokhar20 said at 3:11 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    He does a couple lines of Chickie and Pete’s crab seasoning before posting.

  220. 220 disqus_jB7dl5fzvO said at 12:23 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Can’t wait till he scores a touchdown at the Linc and he shoots red lasers from his eyes up to the video board and hard core porn starts playing.

    Maybe that’s why we got the new video boards.

  221. 221 Baloophi said at 12:24 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    That’s what those phallic wind turbines power…

  222. 222 SureEagles said at 12:30 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    If all it costs is a 5th round pick to keep him off a running back needy team such as the Giants or Cowboys, it is worth its weight in gold.

  223. 223 Baloophi said at 12:44 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Darren Sproles weight = 190 lbs.
    Price of Gold = $1,375 per ounce
    Ounces in a pound = 16
    Darren Sproles weight (oz) = 3,040 (16 x 190)
    Darren Sproles worth in gold = $ 4,180,000 (3,040 x $1,375)

    He’s owed $3,400,000 this year so not quite worth his weight in gold… but he’s close!

  224. 224 TheRogerPodacter said at 1:22 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    so youre saying we got a bargain?! wooooooooo

  225. 225 D3FB said at 1:42 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Can I buy some Sproles Futures contracts from you?

  226. 226 Baloophi said at 1:44 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    You’re not looking to short sell it are you?

    That’s not bad! (because he’s short)

  227. 227 Cafone said at 1:21 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I hope you’re right. I really like Sproles, but the price seems kind of high to me, considering he’s 31 year old and on the last year of his contract.

    I am going to look at it as Chip thinks he’s making a run at the Super Bowl this year.

  228. 228 Sokhar20 said at 3:13 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Would it make you feel better to think of it in terms of us trading Isaac Sopoaga for Darren Sproles? Because with NE as an intermediary, that’s what happened. In that light, I feel pretty good about it.

  229. 229 Cafone said at 3:53 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Yes, actually looking at it in that light does help put it into perspective and make me feel better. Perhaps I’m overvaluing the pick.

  230. 230 sprawl said at 4:37 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I probably wouldn’t be happy if I heard NYG had just acquired Sproles for a 5th rounder.

    That’s my optimistic way of looking at it

  231. 231 Neil said at 3:23 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think Chip’s making a run at the super bowl every year, right?

  232. 232 BobSmith77 said at 12:46 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Like the Sproles trade given the price tag. The question is whether or not he is still an above average KR/PR or not. Definitely an area that could use an upgrade & allows them to not have to use Jackson as a PR.

  233. 233 ACViking said at 12:52 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Sproles must be good . . . he set up the winning TD against Kelly’s Eagles last January. (Tongue firmly planted in cheek here.)

  234. 234 ACViking said at 12:47 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Re: Sproles and Ball Security
    Sproles had 2 fumbles on just 165 touches last year.
    Over his career, Sproles has 16 fumbles on 1338 touches
    (rushing attempts, receptions, kick returns, punt returns).
    To put that in perspective . . .
    LeSean McCoy has 10 career fumbles in 1421 touches (rushes/receptions) — and 4 of the fumbles came in 2012.
    For a coach who preaches ball security, Sproles’s acquisition carries some risk (apart from age-related issues).

  235. 235 BobSmith77 said at 1:07 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    How much he is going to actually carry the ball though and is Kelly going to continue to ride McCoy as much next year as he did this year?

  236. 236 Tumtum said at 1:10 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Expect about 100-125 touches? So that is significant. Lets see if Kelly addresses the fumbling like he did with Vick.

  237. 237 Baloophi said at 12:53 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Nolan Carroll

    According to philadelphiaeagles.com, Nolan’s favorite TV show is “Malcolm in the Middle” – ironic given his new safety…

  238. 238 ACViking said at 12:56 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I don’t think that’s what Carroll had in mind.

  239. 239 ACViking said at 12:56 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Re: Best Observation of the Day . . . (besides Baloophi’s)

    “I look down on the opinion of most fans because they’re idiots.”

    H/T to Austinfan

  240. 240 Tumtum said at 1:06 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Missed the entire mornings discussion. Stupid dentist.

  241. 241 A_T_G said at 2:38 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I think you mean, “Shhhtoooopid Dentishhht.”

  242. 242 Mac said at 1:11 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Who is replaced by Darren Sproles?

    I submit one Damaris Johnson.

    I’d call that an upgrade.

  243. 243 Tumtum said at 1:59 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    I suppose they could afford to go one lighter at WR and keep the young RBs. Damaris was probably gone already, so I can get on board with this.

  244. 244 ICDogg said at 1:59 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    DJax, and I protest the trade in advance.

  245. 245 A Roy said at 4:49 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Perhaps Howie will rework your contract…

  246. 246 rick said at 2:40 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    Tommy: a DL, preferably who could play DE or NT

    I believe the Eagles will or should I say should go after the Dl in the draft. When we look at possible all pro’s on our D line it is thin. I the past you and I always spoke of depth if someone goes down to injury. Every team as to deal with is problem. Looking at the Eagles a potential all pro would be nice instead of someone that is serviceable. I am guessing the NT, De, lb, cb and possibly S would be the focus of the draft on defense and a huge Wr on offense if it is best possible player on the board. Looking forward to the draft.

    RickyD283

  247. 247 A_T_G said at 2:58 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    If we are only looking at all-pros, we are pretty thin everywhere…as is every team in the league.

  248. 248 jshort said at 5:05 PM on March 13th, 2014:

    WAR DADDY!!!!