Eagles Add an OL

Posted: April 1st, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 102 Comments »

The Eagles signed OL Andrew Gardner on Monday. You’ll never guess where he came from…the Texans. Here are some of the details on him from Jeff McLane.

The 6-foot-6, 309-pound Gardner last played for the Texans. He played in six games in three seasons for Houston. His only other NFL game came as a rookie for the Dolphins in 2009. Gardner, 27, was drafted out of Georgia Tech by Miami in the sixth round.

Gardner was released by the Dolphins before the 2010 season. He then spent time with the Ravens, Vikings and Bengals before the Texans signed him in Aug. 2011.

Gardner lists as an OT, but coming out of college I thought he could play there or OG.  Here are my old notes on him.

4-year starter at LT. That automatically gets your attention. Marginal pass blocker. Solid run blocker. Fires off the ball. Good on the 2nd level. Has a tall, thin build which is best suited for T, but his skill set might be better at G. Only so-so agility. At times he will be too upright and that forces him to reach/lunge for defenders. Could be a good fit for teams like the Falcons or Texans. Has a lot of potential, but needs coaching and to be in the right system.

Late round target or UDFA.

Interesting that I projected him to the Falcons or Texans and he ended up in Houston for 3 years. Gardner is coming here as an experienced camp body. The Eagles will give him every chance to win a job, but he’s got an uphill battle. I do think he fits the system and he’s got the kind of build that Chip Kelly will love.

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One part of the DeSean saga that drives me nuts is the “How can you give a racist a contract extension and let go of the other guy?” stuff I’m seeing from some media members/analysts on Twitter. DeSean and Riley Cooper have completely different situations.

Cooper did a horrible thing…but it didn’t involve the team. That was a concert. Players certainly reacted to what Cooper did, but it was all after the fact. Cooper’s behavior with his teammates has apparently never been an issue. He had several teammates stand up strongly in his favor and they did this in the locker room, looking other guys in the eye.

That was also an incident and not a pattern of behavior. That makes it a huge difference from DeSean and his situation.

DeSean has been making some questionable decisions going back to his college days. That is part of what pushed him down the draft board and into the middle of the 2nd round. He had multiple incidents in 2011 that caused teammates to get frustrated with his lack of effort. DeSean was pouting because of his contract situation and let that affect his teammates. DeSean also has a history of being late to meetings and causing minor headaches in practice and meetings.

DeSean has no incident that comes close to Cooper’s. That was truly rock bottom for Riley Cooper. But Cooper had built up goodwill before that and he handled the aftermath of the incident in a way that allowed teammates to forgive him or at least accept him on some professional basis.

While DeSean does some good charity work and had a good image with the general public, his act had worn thin on many of the people he dealt with on a daily basis. That is part of the reason that the Eagles were able to cut him and have so little blowback from players or “sources close to the team”.

If you wanted to simplify this, you could say that DeSean has the good public image, but isn’t exactly loved by his teammates or coaches. Cooper has the bad public image, but is well-liked by his teammates and coaches. I guess not everyone gets that difference.

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As to DeSean’s future…

That would be a great on-field addition by the Skins. RG3 is one of the better deep ball throwers in the league and DeSean is a great deep receiver. You do wonder how DeSean will be in the locker room. The Skins have a new staff and Jay Gruden isn’t a big time head coach that will naturally command respect.

If DeSean is on his best behavior, he will be a big help to the Skins in 2014.

I am curious about the money. Will he get close to what the Eagles were paying him?


102 Comments on “Eagles Add an OL”

  1. 1 mark2741 said at 12:23 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Jay Gruden, if anything like what we saw on ‘Hard Knocks’, is not a very likeable guy or a leader. I was thrilled to see him get the Skins job. I just don’t see him getting the respect of many players, let alone the Jaccpot.

  2. 2 Anders said at 4:12 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    For a guy with top offensive weapons, he also totally misused them. Andy Dalton is not as bad as he has looked because Gruden fell in love with bombs to AJ Green.

    Of course RG3 actually has the arm strength, but I wonder what other flaws he will ignore.

  3. 3 eagleyankfan said at 7:40 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    He’ll learn quickly — DJ is not AJG. Different levels of talent.

  4. 4 Anthony Hart said at 8:54 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I also wonder about Alfred Morris’ production. I could see him becoming far less effective if they move away from Shanny’s zone blocking that got big numbers from some really crappy players.

  5. 5 Anders said at 9:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    If they go away from zone blocking, Morris will be a dud.

  6. 6 JJ_Cake said at 12:28 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I would’ve preferred DJax in silver and black. Oh well.

    Tommy who do you like out of the WRs in the draft? Is it worth trading up for Evans, or would we be happy taking Benjamin with our pick at 22? I guess BPA, but will there really be a better player at 22 than one of the top wideouts?

  7. 7 Charlie Kelly said at 12:47 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    IF benjamin makes it to 22…

  8. 8 Atvcar said at 3:19 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Don’t ya mean 52?

  9. 9 Anders said at 4:13 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Agree, Benjamin is mid round WR.


    Benjamin is at least behind those 8

  10. 10 Charlie Kelly said at 4:57 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    what? u smoking crack son. Watkins, Evans BENJAMIN, Lee, Beckham,Cooks, Robinson…… and then the rest…

  11. 11 mksp said at 11:35 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I would bet the farm on Benjamin going behind ODB and Cooks at a minimum.

  12. 12 Charlie Kelly said at 5:30 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    Me id bet the farm on more of sure bet, like watkins being the 1st WR gone.. but me, im a logical guy.

  13. 13 Charlie Kelly said at 4:56 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    No i meant 22.

  14. 14 ICDogg said at 12:43 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I thought a Crip would not want to wear red

  15. 15 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    White, Gold, and _Burgundy_. Big difference, man, BIG difference.
    I probably won’t say that word again for at least 10 years.

  16. 16 ICDogg said at 12:15 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    Burgundy… isn’t that close to the color of blood? This reminds me of when a guy wears a pink shirt and insists it is “salmon”.

  17. 17 Charlie Kelly said at 12:45 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    smfh.. eagles are pathetic, letting desean end up with the redskins…

  18. 18 Sokhar20 said at 1:43 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    You’re right. We shoulda stalked him like an ex-girlfriend once we cut him, and pulled a drive-by on him as soon as he considered Washington. 😛 Seriously, move past it. Its pretty damning that fans are WAY more upset about DeSean’s leaving than the people that actually dealt with him on a daily basis.

  19. 19 Charlie Kelly said at 5:01 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Im upset because WE GOT NOTHING FOR HIM!!!.. damn thats a FO fail!!! Howies job is on the line. He better have a great draft… and seriously, idgaf about who had to deal with him, football is about toughness, if u cant deal with a guys attitude, u are weak!!

  20. 20 PhiEagles14 said at 12:47 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Hey Tommy, Just as a headsup your logo for the website has Shady, Vick and D-jax, I don’t know if you would wanna change that or keep it up like your eagles blog! Maybe get a fan vote on who you put up there? Just an idea! Keep up the good work! Look forward to your articles every day!

  21. 21 SteveH said at 2:35 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Sweet, I don’t even care that we lost DSJ anymore.

  22. 22 T_S_O_P said at 2:46 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Tommy, it is interesting that you had Garner at the Falcs or the Texans. Props to you! However, didn’t he spend 3 years with the Texans? Plops to you! 🙂 :p

  23. 23 TommyLawlor said at 7:54 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Fixed. Got ahead of myself as I typed that up.

  24. 24 Toby_yboT said at 2:49 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    If the skins deal goes through, Jackson will undoubtedly continue to be an explosive player in Washington’s system. Whether that translates into an efficient offense is what remains to be seen.

  25. 25 Atvcar said at 3:21 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    DJax to the skins is a good fit for both parties… Till #10 self destructs, which seems is only a matter of time. Tick tick tick

  26. 26 Cafone said at 3:49 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I completely agree that the Jackson and Cooper situations don’t compare, but it’s not exactly correct to portray Cooper as someone who had one incident compared to Jackson’s pattern of behavior. Cooper had several incidents in high school that would have put a normal kid behind bars, but his family had money and connections so he walked.

    And let’s not forget his gang ties… I seem to remember pictures of him with one Aaron Hernandez in college 😉

  27. 27 bill said at 8:15 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Agreed. But I also think the whole “it’s just flashing a gang sign” excuse is flat out awful. These gangs terrorize millions of people, have killed in the thousands, and every year corrupt thousands of vulnerable kids. Advertising for them on national TV should be seen for what it is: advertising for pure evil. I can forgive young, vulnerable kids for not knowing better. I can’t forgive an adult with millions of dollars – he absolutely should know better.
    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

  28. 28 Neil said at 9:44 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    “But I also think the whole “it’s just flashing a gang sign” excuse is flat out awful. These gangs terrorize millions of people, have killed in the thousands, and every year corrupt thousands of vulnerable kids. Advertising for them on national TV should be seen for what it is: advertising for pure evil.”

    I love it when I point this out and people start in like “why are you so intolerant of black culture?”

  29. 29 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:21 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Okay, you seem to like conflict, so let me make your day.
    Maybe a balanced commentary about the gangs would show some rudimentary awareness of the reasons they exist and why their members feel compelled to join and stay in them. Might show some understanding that gangs are predictable symptom of sequestering young men in a horrible environment.
    or…. heck, we could just wash our hands of it and say they should all burn in hell if they choose not to hold down a 9-5 job like the rest of us, drive their car to work every day, come home to a lovingly-cooked meal, read the newspaper, and watch the Late Show.

  30. 30 Neil said at 4:55 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    I don’t disagree with any of that. None of that means it’s ok for a celebrity to glorify the result of all of those processes gone awry, though.

  31. 31 Michael Winter Cho said at 5:12 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    I guess I didn’t read your comment well, conflating it with the “pure evil” and the “work of the devil” insinuation above. Certainly gangs are malignant and should not be glorified and certainly DeSean is a punk, maybe even a no-good punk. However, things like gangs and drugs and terrorists get solved because middle-class people vote to blow them away.

  32. 32 Jernst said at 10:06 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I agree completely. And I thoroughly believe DeSean has connections with the Crips and likes to flash crips signs. But, aside from Jackson we have to be careful what we determine is a gang sign. Everyone in his age group and background throws up sidewise peace signs in photos. People make their fingers into a W to show support for the “west side” or west coast…not everything is a gang sign.

    Sitting in a rap video next to a known crip throwing up two “C’s” with your hands is pretty blatant however.

  33. 33 Anders said at 4:20 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Jackson, Garcon, RG3, Morris and Reed is potential for a great offense but I think Gruden will not come close to explore the full potential of that group

  34. 34 IrishEagle25 said at 4:34 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    and hopefully Snyder takes 3 years to realise this, meaning DJax will lose his top end speed before he can really hurt us

  35. 35 eagleyankfan said at 7:38 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Love this kid RG3. A couple of things. He may never ever be the same as when he started the league. That’s troubling. 2) Washington lacks discipline.

  36. 36 bubqr said at 4:59 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The Skins have the making of a pretty good offense at skills positions – Luckily for us, they don’t have a 1st round draft pick(I would not have liked seeing them in a position to get Sammy Watkins, or Clowney), an average at best(apart from Trent Williams) OL, and still have a below average to bad defense.

  37. 37 Anders said at 5:15 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The thing is, if they was in position to draft Watkins, they wouldnt have a QB worth talking about

  38. 38 bubqr said at 6:02 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Those trades should be looked at 5/6 years from now. Because if they got a good QB (for the record, RGIII was my favorite QB prospect ever), but lack ammunition to build a competitive team around him due to lack of picks, was that a good trade?
    I mean we are talking about
    – Tannehill (next QB that was available at their original pick)
    – Janoris Jenkins (who the Rams chose with their 2nd rounder)
    – A prospect at a position of need like Datone Jones, Alec Ogletree, Matt Elam, Deandre Hopkins or Cordaelle Patterson
    – Probably Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack or Jadeveon Clowney

    Let’s say RGIII vs Tannehill, Janoris Jenkins, Datone Jones, Sammy Watkins.

    As much as I like RGIII, when on top of that you consider the chances that he would like to run out of town once his contract expire due to a lack of talent around him, I am still not convinced about the trade.

    It’s the exact same thing for Julio Jones – everyone praised the trade because Julio Jones turned out to be a very good WR, but why are the Falcons picking so high this year? Lack of depth/talent everywhere else… Maybe while he is good, those draft picks could have been used in a different way.

    Long story short, I don’t find massive trade-ups usually worth it.

  39. 39 Anders said at 6:25 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    100% agree that massive trade ups are often not worth unless it is a QB imo.

    If RG3 hadnt been injured, they wouldnt be in this position. Also Garcon, Reed, Williams, Morris and potential Jackson is some very good offensive talent.

  40. 40 CrackSammich said at 9:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Wilson, Foles, Tannehill… They’d have had a crack at all of them without trading up.

  41. 41 Anders said at 9:11 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I didnt know the Skins had access to a time machine.

    Also Tannenhill was super raw, Wilson and Foles got picked in the 3rd for reason.
    Also those who say Wilson should have been picked before are just using what they know of his play now and use it to justify it.

  42. 42 A_T_G said at 9:13 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Really, what they should have done was to trade three first-round picks for a time machine. That would have been strategic thinking.

  43. 43 CrackSammich said at 9:17 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Just refuting your point, sir. In a QB draft that’s already got a Superbowl winner, to say that they needed to give up that king’s ransom to get RG3 to have a quarterback “worth talking about” is just empirically wrong. It’s not like everyone on here complaining about us not taking Earl Thomas–They actually had two more rounds to take Foles or Wilson if they did their scouting better.

  44. 44 Anders said at 9:22 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    yea and everybody could have taken Tom Brady before the 6th if they had done their scouting better?

    If Seattle or anybody knew Wilson would be so good (I wouldnt put the SB on him, not even close consider the Seattle defense scored more points than the Broncos offense), they wouldnt have waited to the 3rd round either.

    Back in 2012, the only 2 great QBs was Luck and RG3. Cant use what we know now to dismiss that fact, we can only look at what we knew in 2012.

  45. 45 CrackSammich said at 9:46 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    No, if they knew Wilson would be great and nobody else wanted him, they should not have taken him in the 1st. That’s called reaching.

  46. 46 GermanEagle said at 6:11 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I have to wonder why the Eagles gave DeSean a 5 year, 40 million dollar deal after those ‘multiple incidents’ in 2011?!
    Can we please agree that DeSean has never changed since he came to the NFL but it all changed with Chip’s arrival. Thanks.

  47. 47 Anders said at 6:51 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    “Can we please agree that DeSean has never changed since he came to the NFL but it all changed with Chip’s arrival. Thanks.”

    Not sure anybody disagrees, but remember AR had a lot longer leash than anybody

  48. 48 GermanEagle said at 7:13 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Still doesn’t explain why the Eagles signed DeSean to a lucrative long term contract then, especially if Howie R. was calling the (money) shots…

  49. 49 Anders said at 7:34 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    AR was still the one calling the shots and he got Howie convinced to give him the deal.

    If AR was still coach, Jackson wouldnt have been cut

  50. 50 eagleyankfan said at 7:42 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    And … we’d still be a ship headed in the wrong direction…

  51. 51 eagleyankfan said at 7:36 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I think it did change. Chip laid down rules that AR didn’t have the guts to do. DJ reacted back as most kids do when given such structure. We can say that or we can say — Chip has more say as far as who he wants on his team. He didn’t want a trouble maker/distraction. So he’s gone.

  52. 52 Jernst said at 9:45 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I completely agree…I just have to wonder if nothing changed from season end until now, how come Chip didn’t demote or reprimand Jackson at all during the year. If he was so bad and didn’t do things the Chip Kelly way and that was so unacceptable, why’d Kelly keep starting him at WR during the year? He demoted him in OTAs the moment he acted like a turd.

  53. 53 TommyLawlor said at 7:57 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I think Andy Reid is a big reason that DeSean got his deal. Andy was willing to put up with more than Chip Kelly. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. Different stroke for different folks.

    DJax hasn’t changed. I don’t think I’ve said that he has. His behavior goes back a while.

  54. 54 ceedubya9 said at 8:29 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I do feel as though there is a combination of reasons why he isn’t here anymore. The combination of money,personality, scheme preference. I think all of those things made DeSean expendable. And while I know that Chip and organization wouldn’t come out and say that, I think I would feel a lot better about how things went down…but still wouldn’t like it. Of course, this is just me making assumptions and it could be that he was hard to deal with behind the scenes. There were a few people that did say DeSean was a much better teammate this past season, but a few people may see things differently from the majority of the team.

    Either way, from the outside looking in, it does look bad on the organization, imo. Yeah, outside of the one incident with Cooper, he’s still been a model teammate (and a non-factor up until recently). But hey, a guy who most thought would be cut due to potential locker room problems is still there. The other, who’s been a major player for the team for a number of years is uncerimoniously released with no reasoning (although it isn’t owed) with only assumptions floating around about gang affiliations and questionable behavior.

    The two players situations definitely aren’t the same, but the story here was easy to see coming once Jackson was released. Without any details on Jackson’s situation, its no surprise that members of the media jumped on it the way that the did.

  55. 55 Jernst said at 9:25 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Culture fit in chips locker room does not explain the stunning lack of interest in DeSean league wide and our inability to trade him for even a case of PBR. I know his contract was cumbersome but if teams really wanted him they’d make it work and restructure with him. DeSean made it pretty clear he’d like more guaranteed money so a new contract would have been welcomed.

  56. 56 austinfan said at 9:29 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Andy was in “last hurrah” mode, the “Dream Team”, DeSean, the young AR would NEVER have made those moves.

  57. 57 Scott J said at 7:20 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    We know how Jackson and the Skins will play out. He’ll be on his best behavior early on. Early to meetings, yucking it up with his new teammates, everyone will love him in DC. Then, next year, the real Jackson emerges, wanting more money, late to meetings…

  58. 58 Anders said at 8:11 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The problem is it sounds like Jackson has never done that, even with Kelly, why would he do it with a weak personality at coach like Jay Gruden?

  59. 59 Mac said at 12:20 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    I’m not sure I’d go as far as Scott has by suggesting it will last a whole year, but it’s certainly reasonable to think he will at least start out that way. We could take bets on how long it will take before implosion.

  60. 60 Mike Roman said at 8:24 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Like him or not, Howard Eskin was reporting this morning that Dan Snyder is essentially bidding against himself for DeSean. There was no second team in the mix and there is nothing to substantiate that the Raiders were interested. This doesn’t shock me one bit. It’s why that franchise is inept and I don’t care if Jackson signs with them. If I structured in environment like the Eagles can’t keep him in check, he could turn into a nightmare in D.C.

  61. 61 GermanEagle said at 8:30 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Following early reports of Tim McManus that “Desean Jackson to the Skins” is a done deal, a source close to the situation has confirmed that the Dallas Cowboys are now in play with Jerry Jones willing to open his wallet. DeSean Jackson is believed to be headed to Dallas later today.
    If DeSean signs with the Cowboys the duo Jackson-Bryant will arguably become the best WR tandem of the NFL.

  62. 62 A_T_G said at 8:42 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    When Jerry Jones opens his salary-capped wallet, moths fly out.

  63. 63 D3FB said at 12:39 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    If Jerry finds room for Djax it’s going to mean that the 2018 Dallas Cowboys are made up of 53 UDFA’s

  64. 64 Frencheaglesfan said at 8:32 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Ok so now my patience is over, The Redskins will soon have a more than scary offense by signing one of the best playmakers in the league who used to play with us. Djax embodied an Eagle Period, I can move on from him and cry inside while he will torch defenses and ours and skins fans will cheer, that will be painful but I can accept it, IF and that is a mothafu*ing IF, Chip or Howie explain themselves now, what they are doing is unprofessional. And before some people feel like arguing that is not their job to communicate these kind of informations, let me just clarify that NFL is a business Eagles are a firm, if they are professionals they speak to their customers. I’m sorry but I cannot take it anymore, I just can’t listen to all those theories right or wrong, I just want them to speak and assuming like men, even if it will become one of the greatest mistake in the history of the NFL and the skins win the SB, I will support the Eagles Decision but they need to assume it.

  65. 65 GermanEagle said at 8:40 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I do agree that the recent PR by the Eagles have been disturbing and pathetic.

  66. 66 Anders said at 8:44 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    What can the Eagle ever tell that would satifice fans like you?

    Is there really anything else than he didnt fit, end of discussion or do you want em to stand at a PC and detail everything going on in the locker room, something that will never happen?

  67. 67 GermanEagle said at 8:51 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    At least say something. just something. Not saying anything is not acceptable. And it shouldn’t satisfy you as the fan either.

  68. 68 Anders said at 9:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Why do they need to say something? I already know why he was cut and nothing they say will change my opinion.

  69. 69 GermanEagle said at 9:19 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    So you can say with absolute and definite certainty why DeSean was cut? I wish I was in their meeting and locker rooms just like you were abviously…

  70. 70 Anders said at 9:23 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    He didnt 100% buy into Kelly’s system etc, therefor he is gone.

  71. 71 Jernst said at 9:26 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Then why wasn’t he punished or demoted all year? Why is there such a lack of interest in his services from other teams around the league? It doesn’t make sense.

  72. 72 Anders said at 9:29 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Because of his crappy behavior since high school?

  73. 73 Jernst said at 9:42 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Still doesn’t explain why Chip would have him play more snaps than any other WR and never reprimand him, demote him or anything all year if it was so bad we had to get rid of him for nothing in return.

  74. 74 GermanEagle said at 9:54 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Puh, it makes me happy to see that you were not that lucky to share a locker room or meeting with DeSean, as your latest comments do not seem to justify an outright cut in my eyes. Or in other words, we all can still speculate what the real reasons for his release were…

  75. 75 Jernst said at 9:29 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    You can’t tell me that his not buying in was such a problem throughout the year that we had to drop him for nothing as fast as possible and could not possibly make it work with him, yet he played more snaps at WR than anyone else and was never reprimanded, demoted, benched, ect all year. How does that jive with your version of events?

  76. 76 A_T_G said at 9:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I actually respect them for not talking and taking the PR heat from fans with a mindset similar to yours.

    I assume they wanted DJax to change his ways and for things to work out. It became clear that wasn’t going to happen and they cut him. They don’t hate him or wish him harm. After completely turning his life upside down by cutting him, you think they should publicly rub salt in the cut?

    Or, from a less humanistic perspective, one of our 31 competitors is going to add a talented player, likely one of 3 biggest competitors. Why would we talk to the press, further reduce DJax’s value, and get our competitors that talented player at a huge discount? We want them to spend as much as possible, right?

    Last, if you are a free agent, are you more interested in the team that cut ties with a star player, but showed him respect, or the team that tried to destroy a former employee in the press?

  77. 77 Frencheaglesfan said at 9:21 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I like the way you think, but it seems that NFL teams don’t think like you, they always insist on the fact that this is a business, so they try not to involve characters and feelings. Moreover it’s good to think about Djax, I wish him the best, netherless this moves really raised my eyesbrow, I just want explanations because right now I’m still thinking this is a mistake.

  78. 78 A_T_G said at 9:27 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The middle reason is all about sound business.

  79. 79 GermanEagle said at 9:21 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I can understand your logic. However at the same time I was not hoping for the Eagles to come out and destroy DeSean in public.
    At least one short statement like “we were going in different directions” or something like that would suffice rather than being quiet full stop.

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 9:26 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Actually, they said something pretty close:

    “…the Philadelphia Eagles have decided to part ways with DeSean Jackson.”

  81. 81 Jerry Pomroy said at 10:45 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    Some would say that not saying anything speaks volumes over actually saying anything. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles FO is not interested in a smear campaign. I’m sure that they’ll speak to the situation once he’s signed, but they won’t be the one to call a PC just to address the topic. When they do speak, it will be as simple as “we decided it was best for the organization”.

  82. 82 Jernst said at 9:18 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The only reason to not make a public statement regarding the reasoning is if he’s implicated in something criminal that they can’t prove but know he’s involved with. Stating that as a reason would leave them open to charges of slander and libel. It’s the only thing that makes sense. And the NJ.com article was their way of letting you know what was happening without saying so. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

  83. 83 A_T_G said at 9:23 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Staying quiet doesn’t hurt the team, speaking to the press about the incident might. The team is savvy enough to never get anywhere close to slander or libel, but nothing they say in the press will make the team better.

  84. 84 Anders said at 9:24 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    according to reports, they have also been told by their lawyer not to speak.

  85. 85 Jernst said at 9:32 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Again, think about that for a second, why would a lawyer advise them to not say he was late to meetings or that chip didn’t like his attitude, neither of those things are legal issues, slander or libel. Obviously there’s more to the story.

  86. 86 bill said at 9:44 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Actually, they could be. At the very least, such statement would be enough to survive pre-trial motions in most jurisdictions. If you’ve ever released an employee from a sophisticated organization (i.e., been in middle management), you’ll know the drill for request for recommendations – confirm employment dates, and no further comment. There’s a reason that policy is pretty much universal across large organizations.

  87. 87 Jernst said at 9:54 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Not a perfect analogy. Contracts in the nfl by means of the labor union agreement are terminated all the time and reasons are given almost universally, whether due to cap consideration, scheme fit, contract demands, age, production, conduct detrimental to the team or even personal differences with the coach. None of those things are libelous or slanderous they’re opinions and the employers prerogative. Saying he’s a criminal or something different is another issue all together.

  88. 88 Anders said at 9:46 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    I think we are agreeing.

  89. 89 Jernst said at 9:50 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Oh…maybe…I thought you kept saying, he simply didn’t fit, end of discussion, nothing else to see here. I firmly believe with the way this happened that there’s something much more behind this decision and that Jackson did something to push this, from damanding a new contract/threatening a hold out all the way up to perhaps financing/being involved in some serious criminal enterprises. The thought that Chip just can’t work with DeSean because he has an attitude seems odd to me.

  90. 90 Jernst said at 9:31 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Exactly! So if the reason was he didn’t fit the system or he clashes with Chip personally, they’d have no concerns over saying so. It’s only a libel issue if there’s something more to it than just we wanted to go in a different direction skill wise and fit in the locker room wise.

  91. 91 A_T_G said at 9:33 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    But, regardless of the reason, it can only have negative impacts on the team to share them.

  92. 92 Jernst said at 1:11 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    I see what you’re saying, but I’m definitely not sold. People are acting like this is pretty standard operating procedure for an NFL team to cut one of its star players after his best year as a pro, in his prime with no contract dispute and no other conflicts or concerns and give no explanation.

    I’ve followed the NFL for some time, and I’d have to go as far as saying that this is unprecedented. Teams have parted ways with other star players in the past, but the reasons for that were always made clear, whether it was for contract/money/cap issues, the player wanted to leave, the player didn’t fit the system any more, the player was destructive to team chemistry, the replacement was waiting in the wings…whatever the reason, there isn’t a case I can think of where the reason wasn’t readily apparent.

    On top of that, the fact that they cut him and received nothing as compensation is extremely telling. When you receive something in return, it’s easy to say well they thought what they received was worth more going forward than what they thought the player would give them.

    But, when you get nothing in return, and you don’t necessarily have the replacement already on the roster, and the player proved to be a great fit schematically, racking up production in the new system, and you get rid of him for nothing…that says a lot. That’s a lot more than, “eh, we just weren’t crazy about his work ethic.”

    There must be something more that occurred or came to light that made them want to actively dump their most explosive weapon, no matter what they got in return, even if it was nothing, because they wanted to get away from him. If it was a typical reason for a player to get cut they would have given a typical answer to the why. Their silence speaks volumes that it might not be such a typical reason.

    With that in mind….I am in no way demanding that the Eagles tell me their rationale or insinuating that they owe me an explanation like the OP on this comment thread. It’s obviously not in their best interest to release that information, otherwise they would. And, I’m most concerned with them acting in their best interest, not satisfying my every whim.

    My point is though, that by the way it went down, the way they handled it and the way they’ve kept completely silent on a very puzzling move signifies to me that there’s more to this story that we will find out in due time. (That and Derick Gunn keeps saying, although he wont tell us what he’s heard till it’s substantiated, that he’s heard whispers of things from deep inside Nova Care that, if true, would make everyone see that it was a no brainer to let DeSean go)…so far there isn’t enough info to say it was a no brainer.

  93. 93 A_T_G said at 2:59 PM on April 1st, 2014:

    What could the team say that (a) you would believe and (b) would help the team?

  94. 94 Jernst said at 9:09 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    The problem with the he didn’t fit argument is that he set career highs, had a great year and the offense was historically great, all we heard all year was how he completely bought in and was functioning just fine within the team. So the he doesn’t fit thing makes little sense without more detail.

    Further, if it was simply fit within Chips rigid definition of acceptable culture then another team would have traded something for him and reworked his contract. If not and it was just some nebulous cultural divide then why not hang onto him since he does fit so well on a talent/production level. Why be in SUCH a rush to dump him at all costs. I’m just saying your simple explanation just doesn’t mesh with what happened. That’s why people have such a hard time accepting it.

  95. 95 Anders said at 9:13 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    “I’m just saying your simple explanation just doesn’t mesh with what happened. ”

    What simple explanation? You mean that Jackson has been a problem since high school for all his coaches? What about missing meeting, not giving a crap? The list is long of problems with Jackson.

    It is pretty simple, Jackson didnt chance, his coach did and therefor he is out.

    Revis, an All pro CB just got cut because his coach changed.

  96. 96 Jernst said at 10:35 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    “Is there really anything else than he didnt fit, end of discussion” – that simple explanation. If this was the only issue I’d expect Chip to have addressed it during the season. If someone has a poor attitude, poor work ethic, misses meetings, yells at coaches, doesn’t try…why was he not benched, punished or reprimanded at all during the year. That’s what doesn’t make sense.

  97. 97 austinfan said at 9:28 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Have you checked out the Redskin OL?
    They’re gonna be seeing lot’s of “A” gap blitzes.
    And the problem with guys like DeSean is the QB has to hold the ball to make big plays, which bodes well for RGIII’s career longevity.

    Garcon was already a locker room issue, DeSean is DeSean, and Roberts may sulk when he finds out he’s now the #3 WR.

    Just what a rookie HC with no track record wants to have to deal with.

  98. 98 A_T_G said at 9:32 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    A-gap blitzes against RG-III sound a bit scary. I can picture him rolling into wide open flats with two linebackers sprawled out on the ground behind him. I’ll take the blitzes that bottle him up.

  99. 99 Anders said at 9:33 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    If the two outside guys mush rush and 1 blitz up trough the middle, he has no where to run, but make a fast pass.

  100. 100 A_T_G said at 10:02 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Interesting read:


  101. 101 Fanforlife said at 10:21 AM on April 1st, 2014:

    Mr Lawlor. I am a fan of your column and follow your comments in various blogs. Out of fairness to mr Jackson, commenting and insinuating that eagle teammates did not stand up for Jackson is Drinking a little too much of the Eagle’s koolaid. One has only to look at the type of environment the team has cultivated recently. Mr Mathis apparently asked for a new deal and was threatened with being moved. In this type of atmosphere, players inevitably think “me first”. They are concerned about their jobs. To wit, no one stood up for mr Avant either. The dynamic was different with mr cooper. Players had nothing to lose by supporting him. If mr Kelce was told trash cooper or lose your job, what do you think he would do? Let’s be fair in our speculation. I for one think it was about money and concur with most of mr Hayes’ column. We’ve had many speed guys lining up at WR go the Eagles. Unfortunately, not many of them could catch the ball. Mr Jackson’s production will be missed.

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