Looking for a LB

Posted: April 10th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 61 Comments »

Bob Grotz reported that the Eagles did try to deal for OLB Dion Jordan. We’ve speculated about this quite a bit, but this is the first time anyone has reported that it actually happened.

Grotz says the Eagles made an offer for Jordan 2 months ago. The offer was a 2nd round pick and Brandon Graham, which is something we’ve mentioned as potential compensation. It would give Miami a young pass rusher to add to the mix and another pick in a deep draft. The Eagles could use an OLB with the size and athleticism of Jordan.

It doesn’t sound like this is going to happen. Miami would take a major cap hit if the deal happened before June 1st. I don’t know if they can work the trade around that date. You also wonder if they worry about the public relations fallout of dealing the #3 overall pick just a year after drafting him.

I hope Howie continues talking to the Dolphins. This deal does really make sense for both sides. Miami is a 4-3 team with a pair of good DEs in Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon. If they had any idea how good Vernon would turn out, they’d have never dealt up for Jordan last year. Miami still needs OL help, among other things. Adding another pick could really help them.

Dealing for Jordan would be a terrific move, even if it seems like a long shot at this point.

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If you need to know anything about Jordan and his rookie season in Miami, the guys at ChipWagon have a great post that covers everything you would want to know, aside from what color underwear he wears on Tuesdays.

I’m guessing it is something unusual.

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If the Eagles miss on adding a LB early on, there will be late round players to target. Here’s one.

Webster is a developmental project, but he has NFL potential.

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The Eagles have been checking out other OLB prospects. They are interested in all kinds of sizes, skill sets and backgrounds. The key is that they are trying to find a good pass rusher.

I like the fact they are being creative in trying to find a LB. They’ve worked out guys from the 4-3, 3-4 and 3-3-5. They are looking at someone like Dee Ford (6-2, 252) as well as Will Clarke (6-6, 270). We don’t know if the Eagles will find the answer at ROLB, but they are doing everything they can to try and and find the right guy.


61 Comments on “Looking for a LB”

  1. 1 barneygoogle said at 10:32 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    There is still plenty of time to trade for Jordan. On draft day the price can get a lot cheaper than a #1. Glad to see they are at least, exploring all options.

  2. 2 anon said at 11:54 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    then i’d just hold on to him if i’m the fins. Getting no value for the 2015 season. same offers will still be there after the season.

  3. 3 bill said at 8:19 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I agree that I wouldn’t do that deal if I’m the dolphins, but I think the compensation for trading for Jordan goes down the longer he’s with them. Fewer years left to FA, longer time out of the 3-4 (the better system for him), just general aging, etc. So if MIA doesn’t really care about the cap hit (an unlikely assumption), their best compensation probably comes before the 2014 training camp gets too far along.

  4. 4 barneygoogle said at 8:55 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Of course if Jordan gets hurt–his value goes down to nothing.

  5. 5 the guy said at 10:35 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    If they couldn’t trade Brandon Graham it’s pretty clear the only thing to do is cut him.

  6. 6 A_T_G said at 7:22 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I hear NJ dot com is set to release a piece showing Graham disrupted the locker room using a Teddy Ruxpin doll that he modified with an mp3 player to say messages he recorded. The plush bear would make hateful comments in the locker room, degrading statements in meetings, and harassing messages in the shower room. Apparently, he referred to them as Teddy-grams.

  7. 7 Tumtum said at 1:36 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    TMZ exclusice in 3…2..

  8. 8 Scott J said at 9:29 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Who said they can’t trade Graham? Miami doesn’t need any DE pass rushers. That’s why Jordan didn’t play much. Why should Miami trade for another guy to sit on the bench.

  9. 9 Miami_Adam said at 10:50 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I heard he has ties to the Yakuza

  10. 10 Mark said at 1:14 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Naw, man, Graham’s a dark-skinned Latino…he’s Mexican Mafia all the way…

  11. 11 CTAZPA said at 10:36 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    Graham and 22 would be a great deal for us. Plus the salary cap stuff would be fine because Miami already paid so much bonus. Since Miami needs the trade to happen after June 1, I wonder if we could make Miami’s pick for them and trade that player plus Graham after June 1.

    I’m not sure this stuff happens, but I’ll be curious if we end up drafting an OL early. Older OL depth or Dion fodder?

  12. 12 Randy said at 10:36 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    I wonder if they would make a deal after the draft.

  13. 13 ICDogg said at 10:38 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    Some interesting discussions w/ NFL personnel re: Draft the past few days. Two names everyone absolutely loves? Sammy Watkins. Khalil Mack.— P. Schrager (@PSchrags) April 11, 2014

  14. 14 A_T_G said at 6:42 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Follow up: Also, in talking with teams, I get the impression that early picks are preferred to late picks.

  15. 15 Daniel Norman Richwine said at 10:39 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    What I never see when analyzing a potential trade is the fact Jordan is under a rookie contract for 3 more years, but graham is going into his last controlled year. that’s a big problem.
    will there ever be another h2h show? best eagles.podcast I ever found, and no episodes.since January. sigh.

  16. 16 TommyLawlor said at 11:01 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    Tried to record one Monday, but Jimmy had something come up. Hoping to do one this weekend.

  17. 17 nathalie a said at 5:35 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    who’s that jimmy thou talketh aboot ??

  18. 18 A Roy said at 10:25 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Kempski. @Philly.com. First link in Tommy’s Blog Roll.

  19. 19 nathalie a said at 10:39 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    haha. you are a prince.

    i know who jimmy is, thank goodness for my nfl sanity. i was just being idiotic and goofy.

  20. 20 A Roy said at 10:42 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I looked at the name/avatar before responding and didn’t recognize it (you). If it had been someone like GEAGLE or Media Mike, I would’ve recognized it for what it was. But yes, I AM a prince.

  21. 21 nathalie a said at 10:50 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    shhhh. i’m thomas’ and james’ biggest fan. but i’m here incognito. has my moustache come unglued ?

  22. 22 Daniel Norman Richwine said at 6:07 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    What could possibly be more important than my desire for more informed Eagles talk? Was he travelling with Doctors without Boarders? Tell them to wait.

  23. 23 Stevo said at 11:43 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    Grotz’s article would be consistent with La Canfora’s report in late Feb that the Dolphins were shopping Jordan, as well as Wake and Wallace, which was subsequently denied by a Dolphins source. If so, the Dolphins would obviously have known about the dead cap space then and probably would have been willing to eat that if the price was high enough. Interesting that only the Eagles were mentioned in the Grotz article.

    Given that the Dolphins pick at #19, you’d wonder if the Eagles at #22 would even help the Dolphins much if they’re targeting a tackle in Rd 1. It looks unlikely to me to happen on draft day with the picks so close together, but you never know. After June 1st for a 2015 pick would be awesome though.

  24. 24 anon said at 11:44 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    If they wanted to Eagles could do something. Evan Mathis, Todd Herremans, Allen Barbre? It’s clear Fins need OL, they seem to have plenty of DEs – of course they don’t want Graham to fill out the bottom of their depth chart given what they did to get Jordan.

  25. 25 Malcolm Jones said at 11:50 PM on April 10th, 2014:

    I like the way you think. Conspiracy theory alert: Maybe that was why Mathis was on the trading block? ( too see if miami would bite)

  26. 26 Stevo said at 12:06 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    For Dolphins, would make no sense from a long-term perspective, but the NFL is called “not for long” for a reason, especially when the new GM is on a 2-year contract.

  27. 27 anon said at 12:08 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    those guys would be in addition to a mid round pick. dolphins dont want to play 34 i don’t get it.

  28. 28 Stevo said at 12:12 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I hear you, there should be a way to make this work for both sides.

  29. 29 Media Mike said at 5:29 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I still have serious doubts about how legitimate this is from the Miami end. I don’t doubt the dabbled in taking some offers, but I don’t know if they’re seriously considering moving Jordan after a year. I’m happy the Eagles inquired, but I’m not going above that level of offer if I’m them. In fact if Miami said no to that deal, I’d reply with; “My offer to you is nothing….” Godfather 2 style.

  30. 30 Media Mike said at 5:33 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    OLB is such a huge need for this team. Having a guy who will leave RGKnee, Romo, and Eli in a twisted pile of broken bones, snapped tendons, and shredded ligaments is a must!

  31. 31 Matt Gosline said at 7:43 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Would Adrian Hubbard be a possibility later in the draft 3rd or 4th?

  32. 32 GermanEagle said at 7:46 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Miami still needs OL help

    Here’s the master plan: the Eagles draft LDT and trade him to the Dolphins after 1 June. I heard Miami seems to like Canadian O linemen…

  33. 33 eagleyankfan said at 8:06 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    if we’re short on pics – would trading one of our pics be worth it? I wonder why he fell out of favor in Miami. I’m sure players names get thrown around a lot in nfl circles. You never know which is smoke leading to the real fire. After the DJ thing, never say never…

  34. 34 Mike Roman said at 8:51 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Make the trade after June first using 2015 draft picks?

  35. 35 barneygoogle said at 8:59 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    You do that so that Miami can spread the cap hit on his salary over two seasons: 2014-2015. If we give up a 2015 pick, we have time to trade somewhere to get a pick back.

  36. 36 Mike Roman said at 10:30 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    I’m thinking that if we load up on talent in this year’s deep draft, giving up a pick that SHOULD be in the 20’s next year isn’t a bad pill to swallow. The question is really what is Graham’s value?

    People will argue that he’s on the last year of his rookie deal so teams may not want to trade for him. I’d imagine he’d be pretty easy and inexpensive to extend and a trade could be contingent on him signing a contract with his new team.

  37. 37 Tumtum said at 1:14 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Please no!

  38. 38 Mike Roman said at 1:19 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    LOL. Which part?

  39. 39 Tumtum said at 1:27 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Making the trade. I am the one anti-Jordan guy :D.

  40. 40 Mike Roman said at 2:33 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Ah, I gotcha. I liked him coming out last year but he’s lost some of his luster to me. I could go either way with him but I definitely wouldn’t want to give up a 1st rounder THIS year.

  41. 41 ACViking said at 9:33 AM on April 11th, 2014:


    Miami could trade Jordan before the draft and still spread his remaining bonus over two seasons.

    The CBA allows each team to designate up to two players per year as a June 1 cut for cap purposes prior to June 1. It’s the one concession that was given to the players as it allows a player to be cut in March and have time to explore free agency but have his cap hit spread out over two seasons, thus creating more cap space for his former team.

    I don’t think Miami has made such a designation yet this off-season.

  42. 42 Stevo said at 12:22 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Have you been able to confirm that this applies to a trade scenario? I tried finding answers on it on articles/website but was too lazy to look in the CBA.

  43. 43 bill said at 9:44 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Just spitballin’, but I would think that the Eagles would be the team willing to give the most for Jordan going forward, given his familiarity with Kelly and his methods. Not sure how many other teams are as desperate for 3-4 OLB, and are willing to expend significant assets for a highly talented, but raw, guy who spent last year in a 4-3 NFL system and wasn’t super productive (I know Chip Wagon said he played well, but the fact is still that he didn’t produce in the NFL yet). Big trades don’t often happen in the NFL for exactly those sorts of reasons. Those rookie contract years are *very* valuable when evaluating young players.
    I probably don’t make the rumored deal if I’m MIA, but you have to at least consider it, given that I’m not sure there’s going to be many suitors willing to give even that much, if you really think that Jordan doesn’t fit into your long-term plans.

  44. 44 Tumtum said at 1:14 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    He could probably be a good RZ WR threat for them. They must see the value in that.

  45. 45 Mac said at 9:46 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    What if we trade out of the first round and end up with a high 2nd and 4th round pick (or something along those lines) and then Miami trades for our newly acquired high 2nd round pick?

    Bah, I should just stick with my original hypothesis… it’s just not gonna happen.

  46. 46 A_T_G said at 4:06 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Along similar lines, we could cut out the middle man and trade our first for Dion and their fourth. I wonder if they would be willing to throw in an e for his name.

  47. 47 Ark87 said at 10:50 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    For the draftniks out there: Just for fun (because we all know that trade ship doesn’t even float, let alone sail), where would you rank Jordan among this year’s OLB bunch?

  48. 48 D3FB said at 11:02 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Mack, Dion, Barr, Mingo, only because Mack has the highest floor of the group.

  49. 49 Ark87 said at 11:30 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    Man it was such a crap year to have the #4 pick

  50. 50 Stevo said at 12:29 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    If Clowney, Mack and Watkins are gone 1, 2, 3, being #4 this year doesn’t seem that much better. You’d basically get Greg Robinson, who is this year’s Lane Johnson.

  51. 51 mksp said at 12:43 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    I think Robinson is probably better than Lane, but point stands.

    Barr, Evans, Matthews would all be interesting.

  52. 52 Insomniac said at 1:17 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    With the 4th pick in the 2014 NFL draft..the Philadelphia Eagles select Johnny Manziel.

  53. 53 Tumtum said at 1:11 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Lane Johnson looks like he will at least be a book end tackle here for a very long time. Considering all of the crap people get at the top of the draft on an annual basis (like Jordan), I am ecstatic with our year at #4.

  54. 54 BobSmith77 said at 2:08 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    If Johnson just turns out to be a ‘run-of-the-mill’ starter at LT/RT, then it was a disappointment if not a bust.

    He was ‘okay’ last year but has a long ways to go in pass protection especially blitz pickup and movement at the line.

  55. 55 Tumtum said at 3:57 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Well first of all I guess “run-of-the-mill” is fairly vague. If he ends up being the 12th best tackle in football for 10+ years in philly, I don’t think that could be considered a disappointment or a bust in a draft that, by all accounts, was light at the top. Of course you may not feel that way.
    Next I will take the time to remind you that Johnson was thought of as a bit of a project, with the ability to have a very high ceiling. So, if Johnson has shown us his floor, I think we should be even more excited with what he will develop into.
    I only get even more excited when I compare his season to Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckle. Those two guys are considered to be sure things. “Blue chippers” if you will. Johnson graded out MUCH higher than both of them according to PFF. Then if you want to over simplify the areas of concern for tackles; pass blocking is all about technique, and run blocking is all about “want to”. Then taking note of Johnson’s steady progress as the season went on; I think it is very easy to assume that our guy is trending upward and looks very promising.

  56. 56 Mac said at 5:10 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    I was dumbfounded when Miami passed on Johnson. I thought for sure they jumped past us to take him. I think we got the best player in that class.

  57. 57 Insomniac said at 1:14 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Behind Mack. He would have been at least top 20 pick this year. On a different topic, there was this article on NFL.com ripping Ebron and this year’s TE class. I don’t see Ertz being better than Ebron to be honest.


  58. 58 Sean Stott said at 8:00 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Do we have the benefit of hindsight? Weighing how awful he looked in 2013, I wouldn’t take him until round 4 or 5.

  59. 59 Miami_Adam said at 10:58 AM on April 11th, 2014:

    McShay’s latest mock has Barr going 36. That would be a nice option at 22

  60. 60 mksp said at 12:44 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    I wonder if Bryce Brown & our 2nd rounder would get it done. We don’t have many positions of strength, but RB is one, and Dolphins aren’t exactly in great position there.

  61. 61 Tumtum said at 1:09 PM on April 11th, 2014:

    Oh thank God Miami is run by baboons. I will begin sweating again in early June.