Mock Draft Time

Posted: April 5th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 146 Comments »

For this week’s PE.com column I decided to put together my first Eagles mock draft of the year. First, let’s go over a couple of things. This is not my ideal scenario. Obviously that would be me and Megan Fox sitting in a hot tub, sharing a bag of Funyuns and talking to new Eagle Sammy Watkins. This mock draft is players I think the Eagles like that also fit the scheme and are appropriate value. As much as I’d love to have Lamarcus Joyner coming to Philly in the 3rd round, that isn’t realistic.

Here is the link to my mock.

The thing that really stood out to me is that we need more picks. The Eagles have these picks as of now:

1st Round – No. 22 Overall
2nd Round – No. 54 Overall
3rd Round – No. 86 Overall
4th Round – No. 122 Overall
5th Round – No. 162 Overall
7th Round – No. 237 Overall

I want more picks. There will be guys of interest in the 3rd, 4th and even the 5th rounds. Depending on how things play out at 22, I would have interest in moving back from 22 to add more choices. And I still would like to see Brandon Graham dealt, either for a player or for a pick.

Feel free to ask questions about the mock. Feel free to rip me (as if you would hesitate). Just be gentle since I am a delicate flower.

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  • mksp

    I said it in the last thread, but will repeat here:

    Love Fuller in the 1st, worried that he won’t be there though. I agree that trading back for more picks would be a good scenario. I can’t cry about losing out on Fuller/ODB/Cooks if we pick up and extra 3rd and 4th.

    Would prefer Latimer or Adams to Matthews. I just think Matthews is a little too stiff in and out of cuts and will have a hard time creating separation. Maybe I should watch a little more of his tape.

    Don’t think Marcus Smith will fall all the way to #86, he’s just too good of a football player, even if his length is less than ideal.

    Like the rest of the draft a lot.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Id take Mathews over cody and adams all day. the dude has the work ethic, size, (huge hands) straight line speed… produced big time no matter what bum QB throwing to him..

  • Right_On1

    Difficult not to like it as we end up with 3 good picks in the first three rounds. With Fuller I wonder whether CB depth will allow for a good pick later (Pierre Desir?), Matthews I’m not sold on really, if we don’t take Beckham or Lee than Cody Latimer in the 3rd/4th could be a great pick.

    I share your views on Marcus Smith and probably think we’d be better taking Dee Ford at 22, or Attaochu/DeMarcus Lawrence in the 2nd. I also really like Kony Ealy if he slips to 22.

  • mksp

    Another thought:

    I know RBs are getting devalued, but there are also a lot of teams that need one, and this draft isn’t really that strong for that position. There’s not even a true consistent #1 RB, though I suppose Carlos Hyde is closest.

    Given that, I have a hard time believing we can’t get a 5th or 6th round pick for Bryce Brown. Just off the top of my head, the Jets, Titans, Browns, potentially Ravens (depending on how the Ray Rice situation plays out), Miami all need backs. I can’t speak to Bryce’s scheme fit, but i think on talent alone he’s up there with this year’s draft class and has alleviated some of his character concerns these past two years.

    • Neil

      Brown’s worth way more than a 5 or 6 to the eagles. He’s still more or less the number 2 on a team that loves to run and is massively talented. If he put it together, he could start seriously eating into McCoy’s carries. The eagles are probably going to go with 4 RBs if you count Sproles as one.

      • mksp

        I don’t think his usage last year reflects that value, do you? Polk was eating into his carries, not Brown into Shadys..

        I think its TBD if Bryce fits Chip’s scheme.

        • Insomniac

          I say give him another year. He still has a lot of catching up to do in terms of football skills. Just remember that he was already behind the curve before Chip got here.

        • anon

          I hope he’s working hard in the offseason to understand zone scheme and that he needs to push that pile sometimes. Sooo much talent as a runner but it’s sink or swim.

        • Neil

          He significantly underachieved, no question about it. If the coaches don’t think they can make the proper corrections to his game, then moving him for a 5/6 could make sense.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          bryce has to stop kicking it outside.. he starts running straight ahead with confidence he could be one of the best RBs in the NFL. Thats how much talent he has IMO.

        • shah8

          Again, Polk touched the ball fewer times than there were games in a season. Polk was never eating into Brown’s carries.

          In a certain sense, Brown is more of a fit for Kelly’s offense than Shady. If you see Kelly yell at him, it’s because it’s worth it to yell at him.

          • mksp

            Brown is clearly a superior talent to Polk, no one is arguing otherwise. Like I said, its TBD if he can put it together, Chip may decide its not worth it and move him.

      • BobSmith77

        Brown would start to seriously eat into McCoy carries? If he was replaced by a doppelganger maybe.

        Kelly has come out at two separate times this offseason and said he preferred north-south style of Polk/positive yards over Brown’s style.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      On talent alone hed be the best RB in this draft by far. IMO. Plus he so little wear on his tires.

  • Malcolm Jones

    I say move back in the second round so we have more picks in the second round. Trade Matthews, Brown, and Graham and stock up on guys for Defense and two WRs.

    • Dominik

      Who the hell would even give up a 14th rounder for Matthews?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        lol

      • Malcolm Jones

        If you take Brown and/or Graham, just give matthews away with it and say no take backs.

  • Tom W

    Trade back at 22 at all costs unless Barr drops

    1) like fuller but see him more as a zone coverage corner …. Watched four games and he got beat deep for tds twice and has no idea how to press a wr at the the line like Davis wants. ….also we aren’t good enough to draft a position where the kid won’t get in the field for a year. Need impact players. Kelly and eagles like their corners. They aren’t a problem no injuries last year and they aren’t old. Why overdraft fuller then? Get a big kid like McGill or Watkins or Mitchell or heck Colvin w a third or fifth or seventh aikens and coach them up and transition next yr. better use of assets. Go wr here w cooks or odb and he plays a lot from day one and returns kicks. Or ealy.

    2) like Matthews in west coast offense as a possession wr but doesn’t beat press well and creates no separation. Stats inflated at vandy bc of blowouts. Like Adams or Robinson or moncrief better. Like chip said need to beat man coverage and create separation

    3) love Marcus smith but don’t wanna risk he doesn’t fall to 86. Either take him in second or trade in third bc Marcus and attaboy and maybe Murphy only impact olbs outside first rd that fit chips measurables

    4) urban is intriguing and so is 6 6 de from West Virginia eagles looked at for olb. Also really like Christian jones here or value at wr or dozier guard from furman we looked at twice already

    5) isiah does nothing for me. Bit short. How bout dontae Johnson from ncstate. Corner and safety move to safety. 6 2. Eagles interested. Or exum from va tech corner and safety versatile. Big. Or maybe bailey falls. Chip recruited him.

    7. Like Wesley. Colt or dat too. Kerr will be here too.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      agree about fuller

      i like matthews alot, but id def take allen robinson over him.

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      had me at Kerr

  • Cafone

    I was thinking Jordan Matthews might be a guy who would still be available in the third round for the Eagles. Is that unrealistic?

    • Insomniac

      Have you been playing a bunch of draft simulators? I’ve seen it happen on those but to answer your question, maybe. Keenan Allen dropped last year so maybe not?

      • D3FB

        Kenaan Allen ran a 4.71 and only put up 750 yards his last year due to some of the worst QB play I’ve ever seen from a major d1 program.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          plus he was injuried

        • Insomniac

          Did he? All I remember was the pre-draft hype about him being a first round pick and then his fall to day 2.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Jordan will go 2nd round

    • TommyLawlor

      Anything is possible with WR this year. It is such a deep group that someone has to fall.

    • Tom W

      Yes niners could take him in first. Won’t last to 54. Doesn’t fit what chip wants anyway. Doesn’t separate against athletic corners

  • Insomniac

    I’m not the biggest fan of this mock draft.

    IMO, Fuller’s a fringe first round pick. He’s good but compared to the rest of the talent this year, he falls a bit short of the first round. He’s the 3rd rated CB on my board after Dennard and Verrett. A run on OL/DL/WR will probably push him out of the first.

    The Matthews pick is something that I wouldn’t like but it would make a lot of sense. He might be the most complete WR in the draft but he excels at nothing. There are a lot of other options that are better than Matthews in certain aspects of the game but need time to finish their game.

    I would be ecstatic if Smith is there for us in the 3rd. It’s not likely to happen.

    Urban in the 4th is a head scratcher for me. In the draft that is deemed a deep draft in positions that we could use depth in, I would rather see us take a CB/WR/ILB/S/OL. I’m just going to pass this off as a mancrush pick.

    No clue on how Lewis/Hopkins plays so no comments;

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      other then matthews this mock draft would depress me.. lol

    • TommyLawlor

      So who is your backup at LDE?

      • Insomniac

        If not Kruger then I think this guy is ready.

        http://images.costco.com/image/media/350-147721-847__1.jpg

        • TommyLawlor

          He’s gonna cost a fortune!!!

        • Maggie

          The only thing about buying at Costco is you’d have to take a whole pallet!

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          O-linemen cant keep a lid on this guy

        • SteveH

          Heard he’s a bad locker room presence, too much trash talk.

          • Insomniac

            It’s because he puts his money where his mouth..err lid is.

    • Tom W

      Agree on all counts

  • barneygoogle

    What scares me is if we trade UP in the 1st round to get a wide receiver like Mike Evans (as per Howard Eskin) and then have little left to help our defense.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      as far as getting mike evans? hell yeah id be sooooooo excited!!! buut yeah it would be a bummer not having many picks afterwards

    • Tom W

      Totally bro. Only wr we would even think of trading up for me is Evans if he fell past the lions and bills which he won’t. Think bucs take him now w mike Williams gone. We don’t have enough juice to trade up to ten even w our first and next years first which would be viewed as a second rounder for trade value pts. Bad idea to trade up that far when we have so many aging starters we could draft replacements for a year or two early and let them learn from the vets

    • Arby1

      I know it’s not the Eagle way to trade future draft picks but who knows with Kelly? He could be more aggressive and not adhere to the Reid/Banner model. And with so many early entry juniors in this years draft, perhaps next year’s draft class won’t be as good anyway. That’s if he drops into the 12 to 15 area…

  • SteveH

    *Plucks one of Tommy’s delicate petal flowers*

    *Laughs maniacally*

    *Looks at mock draft*

    *Feels bad for plucking petal*

  • Kairo02

    What kind of trade value do you think Graham has?

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Thats a great question.

    • TommyLawlor

      In a fantasy world you get a 4th rounder for him. More likely a 5. Teams will guard picks this year.

      • Kairo02

        In that case, would it make more sense to hold onto him until next season with a potentially weaker draft? Or is this his contract year. I’d hate to see another first rounder go away for pennies.

        • D3FB

          This is his contract year. His contract voids a few days after the superbowl.

        • A_T_G

          Or bite the bullet and trade him now for a third next year.

      • Iskar36

        I’ve touched on this a few times, but if “teams will guard picks this year” why did we not guard them with regards to Sproles?

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          As Kelly said, were Sproles to be available in the 5th, they would have said “hell yea”

          He’s a durable mismatch nightmare even as his age, and can instantly play the slot better than Avant. Without him and DJax, WR would have been even more of a need going into the draft.

    • Tom W

      Little to none. 6th rounder maybe fifth

    • anon

      Can hope that a team doesn’t get a pash rusher they want otherwise going to be tough. Is like to see if graham makes any process with a full offseason. Id find an olb I liked and try to work with him (whether retired or currently playing)

  • nopain23

    I’ve asked this before other than mack or barr are there any rush OLBs propspects worthy of a first round pick?
    ford,attaochu,ealy seem to be DEs projected to play OLB in the NFL. A project in RD is iffy.with 6 picks and the 2011 debacle we can’t afford to miss in this draft.
    RD 1 cooks/obj
    RD2 bucchanon
    RD3 m.smith
    RD4 l.joyner
    trade b.graham for an extra 4th or 5th to a 4-3 team
    i’d be happy with that draft

    • TommyLawlor

      No 1st round locks aside from Barr and Mack.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        How is Dee Ford NOT a 1st round lock? Thats a position we need way more then CB.

        • D3FB

          How is he not a first round pick? Let us count the ways
          1. He played LDE. He got his sacks by beating RT’s
          2. He’s a bit undersized.
          3. He has little in the way of pass rush moves.
          4. His burst is impressive but will be far less effective against athletic NFL LT’s compared to road grading SEC RT’s.
          5. He’s not great at holding up against the run at the point of attack.
          6. Doesn’t maintain gap integrity against the run game.

    • Insomniac

      If we could get Joyner in the fourth, I would see what the BPA is in the second and take it.

    • Tom W

      Ealy in the first if chip thinks he can play olb which I think he can. Ford is too short and a project doesn’t play ran at all and very light. That’s it at 22. At 54 attouchi and Marcus smith are the best bets. Attouchi played olb his junior yr and had 12 sacks and dend is a 43 senior yr and 10 sacks. Very good edge rusher and okay in coverage. Marcus was recruited as a qb then rback then olb and d end. Very versatile. Good as edge rusher but more all around than attouchi. Smart kid. Both good kids. Can’t go wrong w either but attaboy is better edge rusher and Marcus is more versatile. Murphy from Stanford would be a good third round target and the d end from West Virginia in the fourth rd who eagles have worked out at olb. Marcus nor attaboy last to our third round pick. If you want another good linebacker for a year outside try van noy from byu and then move him inside to replace demeco next year. Kid is gonna be good for a long time. Belicheck and chargers like him a lot. Kipper too for what it worth.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        i dont think Kony Ealy is athletic enough to play OLB.

        • anon

          Not sure if he can cover but he can get sacks. He can start behind Cole and learn how to drop.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            he ran a 4.92 40 man, idk if thats in his skill set. He is almost on par with nick foles.. lol gimmie Dee Ford.

          • Insomniac

            He ran 4.7 at his pro day. I don’t think he has the instincts to play OLB.

      • Arby1

        “At 54 attouchi and Marcus smith are the best bets.” Agreed.

  • Weapon Y

    Wouldn’t be upset with this outcome, given what’s already unfolded (namely the DeSean release). I’d be happy to get some new blood in the secondary. One thing I’m not sure of is who a young CB would replace if he was good enough to start. If you were to go off of last year’s performances, would it be Williams or Fletcher? Williams is not here for the long-term, but Fletcher might be. You could make the argument that Cary was the better CB as well. Interesting scenario.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      dont forget boykins long term outlook, another year or so.. he will be one of our outside CBs.. or he wont be here.. will gert a better deal somewhere else

      • Weapon Y

        Agree with you there. I’d personally like to see the Eagles use Boykin on the outside just to see how he does. If he stinks there, then he looks foolish trying to get other teams to give him a spot as an outside CB. If he does great, problem solved.

        • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

          True. Plus we signed that nolan carrol guy, not saying he will start or should, but if boykin is on the outside then nolan in the slot.

          • Insomniac

            Carrol will probably have to fight a roster spot if we draft a rookie in the first three rounds. He’s more of a depth guy/special teamer.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            idk, started 12 games last year, did well. also had a couple sacks i believe

          • Insomniac

            There’s going to be competition everywhere. If Carrol can unseat either Williams/Fletcher then so be it. If he got released by Miami which needed CB depth badly then I don’t know what to think.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            fight for a roster spot? As of now, he’s our 3rd outside CB. He’s staying; you don’t sign a former starting CB to fight for a roster spot. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if he beats out Sconces.

            His signing just spelled the end of Carmichael and Marsh.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    Well.. i really dig the jordan matthews pick in the 2nd round.. otherwise id sum your mock up with a loud fart noise.

    A CB in round one? No way jose. I hope that doesnt happen. We are stocked at CB.. and kyle fuller isnt a CB i like.. get a WR there.. we are 4 deep at CB. and boykin is one of the best slot CBs in the NFL and will end up being our outside CB after he gets his new contract.

    • Insomniac

      Who’s the 4th? Carmichael?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Nolan Carroll.

    • mksp

      Is this another GEAGLE account? Did I miss something?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Ummm.. No.

    • mksp

      Also Cary Williams is a goner next year, how are we stocked at CB?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Carey, Fletch, Boykin, Carroll.

        Meanwhile nate allen could start at S… again. smh

        • Patrick

          I actually forgot about Nolan Carroll. Not a guy I necessarily like, but a solid NFL player and borderline starter. He should give Fletch and sconces some competition and can start if we get hit by the injury bug.

    • TommyLawlor

      In 2002 the Eagles had the best secondary in the league. They shocked the world by drafting 2 CBs and a SS with the first 3 picks.

      You draft for the future. Cary Williams is hardly the future at CB. Fletcher could be, but can’t stay healthy. Boykin is no lock to play outside. Bill Davis wants big CBs. Boykin is 5-9, 183.

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Nolan Carroll. Howie was excited to get that guy. Saying how they have studied him for a long time and fits well with what they do.

        “He will add depth to a cornerback group we already feel good about”

        key quote “…we already feel good about”

        • ICDogg

          That is significant to you? As if he would ever say “he will add depth to a cornerback group that is slightly better than mediocre”?

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            Everything the GM says matters.

            That with the fact we already have two starting outside CBs and Boykin.. who is choming at the bit to be a full time CB. Only way to do that is competing for the outside job. Think boykins wants slot CB money? After leading the team with 6 picks and 2 forced fumbles only playing a fraction of the defensive snaps?? cmon now… anyone who thinks CB is on the top of the list of needs for this team is just wrong. of course that is IMO

          • ICDogg

            No one said it’s at the top of the list. It’s just not at the bottom either.

      • HazletonEagle

        tommy we had this discussion in the eagles blog last night. I mentioned that Billy Davis was reportedly “all over” Fuller at the pro day. Someone asked- do we take a CB at 22 with Williams, Fletcher, and Carrol?
        I said yes. Both starters can be gone in 2 years. That would leave us with Carrol and Fuller.
        Exactly right about looking to the future in the draft. So many fans say they agree with BPA as long as its BPA at a position of need. But too often they determine position of need based on this years depth chart. And that will leave the team empty handed at all different positions a year or 2 down the line. You have to pay attention to contact lengths and notice when you have a bunch of contracts expiring at one position group within the next year or 2. And even though our depth chart is filled out right now doesnt mean that position isnt a need.

      • RC5000

        2002 was a terrible draft so they also took the best player available imo. Sheppard was taken at 26. Sheldon was a humongous steal.

    • D3FB

      Why don’t you like Fuller?

      • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

        Idk just dont see anything special there, Def not a 1st round guy IMO. But i dont study up on CBs very much.. im an offensive guy.

        And he doesnt seem any better then what we already have.

        • Insomniac

          They say that the best thing you should notice on film for a DB is that if you don’t notice him then he’s probably doing a good job.

        • D3FB

          He’s the best corner in the draft. Dennard is a walking PI, Verret is too small, Roby and Gilbert are both better athletes than corners. He has the ability to stick in great WR’s hip pockets (go watch him shut down Amari Cooper, it’s impressive), he’s a stud versus the run game, and when the starting hybrid LB got hurt he played that position against Georgia Tech and balled out. He can cover and play the run, play man or zone.

          I don’t know what more you want from a CB. His floor is the equivalent to the guys we have right now and his ceiling is a top 10 corner. He won’t be Sherman, Revis, or Peterson but he can be right below them and for pick 22 I don’t know that you can do much better.

          • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

            the best CB? good hopefully he wont be there so there is no chance we get him… time to stock up offensive weapons for our offensive genius of a head coach.

          • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

            I agree with all of that, but I don’t think he’s BPA/BUA at 22, or even top 30 for us. There are too many good CB prospects late to spend the 1st on Fuller. And for our scheme, I don’t know he’s physical enough or as good at the press. I think we play more of that this year, with an upgrade at S (I think Chung’s awfulness altered what Davis wanted to play last year; that, and the dramatic scheme shift for the front 7 and lack of pass rush, limited the back end significantly)

            I wouldn’t be devastated, but probably not ecstatic either.

          • D3FB

            Fair enough. I personally don’t see this CB group being all that deep. After the top five, to me it’s just a bunch of guys who are all very meh, and don’t stand more than a 10% chance of being anything more than a JAG. Regarding the press coverage, he;s a similar size as Cary and Fletcher, and is very physical against the run, I feel confident projecting him to be able to press.

  • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

    As a proud Hokie alum, I hereby approve of your mock draft!

    • Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran

      Ah, Tommy, why did you have to go and draft a UVA Wahoo as well!
      Now I’m going to have to back off and only give you a semi-approval of your mock draft!

      • TommyLawlor

        My apologies.

  • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

    This is the year to stock up on offensive playmakers. Get it while the getting is good!!! Id take 2 WRs in 1st and 2nd and then get one of de’anthoney thomas/dri archer. But thats me…

    • Stacks209

      Hadn’t thought of this before, but I like it! Seems like a good draft to load up on certain positions. We could take 2 WRs early, 2 CBs, LBs, or S..but like the logic in double dipping in this drafts more stocked positions.

  • 76mustang

    Hey Tommy, appreciate the first mock effort…would be interested in whom the top 3 players were on the board for each round when the Eagles were selecting to get a feel for how you envision the Eagles draft grades projecting.

  • Scott J

    You’re as delicate as poison ivy Tommy.

  • Patrick

    Don’t hate Fuller in the 1st, but don’t love it either, he just doesn’t do it for me. Definitely don’t hate Jordan Matthews in the 2nd, he is my #2 of the big WRs after Evans. My dream scenario right now would be Dee Ford in the 1st, Jordan Matthews in the 2nd and Deone Bucannon in the 3rd. After that, I don’t have any late preferences right now. I like Adrian Hubbard and Justin Ellis.

    • Insomniac

      I like both guys too. People dislike Hubbard because he doesn’t play to his potential or doesn’t stand out enough and he played at Bama. He’s not going to cost much and if he develops well he could be a good player in a few years. Ellis gets knocked for his division/shortness but he’s the same size as Wilfork. Albeit not nearly as athletic as Vince but he’s still a rock in the middle.

    • http://iKillRats.com/ Charlie Kelly

      Dee Ford and Jordan, 1-2, i can get behind. Not sure Deone will be in the 3rd tho… but hey if that how it went down, id be excited for those 3

  • Maggie

    Somehow I always thought of Tommy as being a little more… mmm… svelte.

    • SteveH

      A steady diet of PBR, funyons, and chocolate pudding will do that to a man. Frankly its shocking he’s still alive.

  • A_T_G

    So you are asking us not to mock your draft?

  • RC5000

    I don’t have a beef if they take Fuller although it’s not my ideal scenario. I think other scenarios will emerge for us that are a little better. It would be good for us if a good trade down offer comes our way. I have always liked Fuller. He never has emerged as the likely BPA though at 22 for me. Almost but not quite. He is best in off coverage and zone (which we do in our scheme) but he is not a great CB in man. His backpedal and turn and run ability are good enough but it’s not his strength.
    He seems to be great for the “culture” Kelly is trying to create but there isn’t any way to know for sure from far away. He was a leader at Va Tech from all indications.
    Matthews would be fine. He is inconsistent in his route running and doesn’t always get separation. He can operate out of the slot which is a positive. I don’t put a lot of stock in his 40 time though it isn’t a negative. I would definitely look to get another WR if we took Matthews (and many WRs). There are a lot of WRs available later and a couple of hybrids with speed.
    Marcus Smith would be a good pick in the 3rd if he falls which is possible. He’s probably going anywhere from late 2nd to mid 3rd but he could be there.

  • Iskar36

    If Fuller is the clear BPA at 22, I have no problem drafting him. Having said that, while I wouldn’t mind upgrading CB, it seems there would be other players at 22 who would be quality players who would fit more of a need. Williams and Fletcher are not spectacular, but they are good enough as starters. Nolan Carrol is going to add competition there and push the starters, so at worst, we have a decent 3rd outside corner. On top of all that, we have Boykin as the slot corner. Adding Fuller would mean someone from that group is pushed all the way to 5th corner. Seems like the first round pick could be used to upgrade a much weaker position (again with the assumption being that Fuller is not the far and away BPA).

    Also, as others have stated, if he is the BPA, I’d definitely prefer to trade back and pick up a few more draft picks.

  • BobSmith77

    This is what I don’t understand about this offseason & relative lack of draft picks. Kelly said in his post-season press conference that he wanted to improve the depth on the team including on special teams and increase the overall versatility of the roster.

    Eagles then turnaround and aren’t very active in FA nor have they acquired any additional draft picks via trade. It almost necessitates now that if they really want to improve the depth of the team that they do need to trade a higher round pick to pick up one or more picks in the middle rounds (3rd-5th) this year.

    If they do that though and especially if they move their 1st round pick, it is going to make it tough to get a blue-chip draft choice who comes in and starts this year and this team has a couple of areas where they could use a real boost.

    • RC5000

      They could move around in the draft if they can and be very active in undrafted free agency. Kelly has been present at many Pro Days.

      • BobSmith77

        Yeah they can move around but it doesn’t necessarily mean they can acquire extra draft picks and if they are combing through a ton of undrafted free agents that will puzzle me a bit. Kind of means they are treating next year then as a rebuilding year which I don’t get for several reasons including age/maturity of key players on this team especially on offense.

        Kelly/Roseman have really boxed them into a corner and absolutely need to a hit a HR on this draft. No mediocre draft where they get some contributors (1-2 starters) but no standpoint players especially on defense.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Kelly/Roseman have really boxed them into a corner and absolutely need to a hit a HR on this draft.

          I don’t get this comment. What made you think the rebuild would be done in a year? We had numerous years of bad drafts, 1 year into Kelly won’t change everything. The core and overall age of the team is still young

          • Poppi

            Agree – i would be thrilled with one or two starters in this draft. and 1-2 backups. remember more trades possible as well – I’m thinking at least 2-3 more years to build Kelly’s team, unfortunately Shady should be slowing down if not done by then, but Foles should be in his prime, if he’s the real deal.

        • Maggie

          Bill Walsh and Chuck Noll both won 1 game in their first year as Head Coach. Noll took 5 years to win the 1st Super Bowl. And Pittsburgh was the toilet of the NFL before he arrived. It takes time.

          • BobSmith77

            Yeah but that was a completely different NFL with a completely different set of dynamics. Teams really had to rebuild over a course of years through the draft and some helpful trades.

            No NFL team in their right mind today has a 5-year rebuilding time frame. Even 3 years is pushing it.

  • BobSmith77

    I wouldn’t be upset if the Eagles draft Fuller but you could say the same thing about ‘drafting for the future’ on several positions with this team including OL (with exception of C), LB, S, and WR. Maybe even TE too because Celek is on the tail-end of his career too as a starter.

    • kevinlied

      Interesting you say OL. I’ve been trying to figure out how I’d feel about the Eagles snagging Zack Martin if he makes it to 22. I think I’d be in favor. He could be a super sub for a year before pushing and eventually replacing Herramens. I’ll defer to the guys who know these prospects inside and out, but I like what I see.

      • BobSmith77

        Personally I think this OL’s performance last year was a bit overrated, that they got outplayed at the end of the year in 3 out of their 4 games (2 quite badly), and that they really could use another young OL given they have 3 starters in their mid-30s.

        It would likely piss a lot of people off to no end if they draft a OL with their 1st pick but depending upon who it is I wouldn’t mind at all.

        • kevinlied

          And there’s really not much behind the old guys. Barbre is a good fit in the system, Kelly is an enormous question mark, then it’s various projects and journeymen. Without adding some talented depth, you’re praying for another season of great health.

        • ICDogg

          I’d be fine with it.

        • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

          Zach Martin or Morgan Moses for me (maybe trade back for Moses or even Fua, the G).
          plenty of talented prospects at OL deep in the draft as well

      • Insomniac

        I would be okay with it. Martin is versatile enough to play almost all 3 OL positions but he might be best at guard. It’s not an exciting pick but it’s a sensible one. We need starters/future starters anyway so just grab the best ones.

      • D3FB

        It would piss the average fan off, but it would be a great move. Martin is a great OL prospect and can be an all pro level guard. He’s got a good combination of nasty in the run blocking game as well as an understanding of angles, and good feet and punch in pass pro. He can also kick out to right tackle if the team chooses to do that when Lane moves to LT and still be very effective.

    • GEAGLE

      I wouldn’t sleep on us adding Sefarian Jenkins if he falls to us in round 2

  • BobSmith77

    Reid vs Kelly

    Eagles did take a huge leap under Reid’s 2nd season in ’00 where McNabb became the full-starter at QB, offense went from horrendous to mediocre, and the defense became an above average group that led the team.

    Eagles though that offseason added 3 very important pieces including Runyan and Emmons via FA and draft C. Simon (#6) at DT who from Day 1 immediately started playing at a high level as a starter.

    Eagles didn’t any impact players via FA this offseason and with their lower-draft picks aren’t likely going to do so in the draft.

    Don’t see what player on this roster right now makes a huge leap forward next year unless Cox or Kendricks do it or the Eagles really find a steal with a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick.

    • A_T_G

      Runyan was a free agency prize, was Emmons, or was he a nice surprise when he worked out as well as he did?

      • BobSmith77

        Somewhere in between although I would have to go back and look to see how man teams pushed him. Certainly more than Jenkins this offseason.

        • A_T_G

          Yeah, that is kinda what I was wondering. That was before I started following the offseason action, but I thought the story was that he was a high hopes disappointment that bloomed in Philly. Ideally, that will be the story on Jenkins in a few years.

    • Anders

      Why wouldnt Cox and Kendricks take a step forward with another year in the new system?

  • Richard Jones

    Tommy, I know there are whispers of Jimmy Ward being a late 1st round pick. I just love this guy. I think he is special and can play right away in some way. How you feel about trading back, drafting Ward, then drafting a Jarvis Landry or Jordan Matthews in the second. Getting an extra 3rd or 4th could be huge in adding some quality depth…

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      I would love this way more than Fuller at 22

  • Anders

    Tommy, can you do Matthews next in your break down? Because I cant see the big deal with him. He is not quick, got very bad hands and just seems meh.

    I know you mentioned Owens regarding not optimal hands, but Owens still became a HoF WR, but just because he had bad hands do not mean one should bet on another bad handed WR.

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles will draft Deandre Coleman to back up Bennie Logan.lol,…he is the perfect match for what we do…no idea what round he will go on,,,,
    Wiould love to end up with Deandre Coleman, Antone Exum CB and Jonathon Dowing Safety….in rounds 5,6 and 7…..but Coleman and Exum could come off in the 4th,…..landing those 3 in the late rounds Would he amazing

    • mksp

      How many times you gonna post something about Deandre Coleman? I’ve literally read this same exact comment from you at least five times. We get it.

      • GEAGLE

        Fuck off….don’t care what u say

  • ICDogg

    So, what are your favorite names in this year’s draft class? I don’t mean how good the players are, I just mean their names.

    For example:

    Mister Cobble, NT, Kentucky

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      Morgan Moses, OT

      We need Moses clearing a path for our chosen back to the promised land for the next decade.

  • T_S_O_P

    Tommy, as gentle flower, you would never survive your ideal scenario!

  • Mike Flick

    Tommy,
    What are your thoughts on the guard Xavier Su’a-Filo?

    I don’t like the reasoning that was used of Mathis leaving, but the idea of a dominant guard to work into Herreman’s spot would be exciting. We do have a lot of age at that position.

    Sorry about the font change on my cut and paste of the name, but there was no way I was going to get that spelling right.

  • Jason

    I like Tommy’s overall approach, and I especially like the late round choices. I only quibble with WR Jordan Matthews, because I believe his inconsistent hands, incomplete route running scheme, and lack of maximizing his frame don’t make him a value of where he will likely be drafted in 2nd. Conversely, I am very intrigued by WR Paul Richardson of Colorado, whom Matt Waldman, Cecil Lamey, and Sigmund Bloom have all raved about. Richardson would be likely available in the 3rd. Jarvis Landry, with different skill sets, would also be a target in 3rd.

    I think Cooper, Ertz, and Benn can satisfy Kelly’s big WR requirement. We could still use a speedy field stretcher and Richardson could replace DeSean’s on field ability without his sideline distractions.

    My approach would be the following:
    Round 1: Heavily target BPA Secondary (Fuller, Dennard, Pryor, Clinton-Dix)
    Round 2: Heavily target BPA pass rush (Attochou, Marcus Smith — don’t risk losing Smith if Attochou is already gone)
    Round 3: Heavily target BPA WR (Paul Richardson, Jarvis Landry — Landry as reliable slot receiver, a rich man’s Avant)

  • barneygoogle

    How do we get more picks? Give up our 2015 1st? Trade back out of round one– and forget any top receivers, safeties or pass rushers. Is there a market for Matt Barkley, or Brandon Graham? Can’t see it.

    • Michael Winter Cho

      We are missing one (1) pick, am I right? That seems a lot to be making such a big deal of like so many are. We have had years with seemingly a dozen picks and missed on them all.

  • Cedric Basedprophet Bost

    This is a single mock I have a home run mock! 1st round Dee Ford (I prefer darqueze dennard but he will be long gone) explosive olb who is athletic enough to cover. 2nd round deone bucannon(we will probably have to trade up for him if a smart team like the 49ers doesn’t take him in the first round. Most likely will cost a 4th or 5th) another explosive player who hits hard and is a playmaker with 15 career ints. At 6’2 with 4.4 speed I think he is the best safety in this class and the safety we have been waiting on since Brian Dawkins. Quote me on that! 3rd CB Phillip Gaines 6ft. 4.3 speed all conference at rice. Very instinctual(way better than Curtis marsh) 4th martavious Bryant wr Clemson 6’4 4.4 speed 38 vert can get deep and catches in traffic and blocks hard. 5th I expect this to be gone in the trade up for bucannon but if we are lucky enough to keep it I like e.j. Gaines CB from Missouri or a d lineman or guard. 7th colt lyeria developmental right end that is very talented!

  • mksp

    I think you guys are underrating ODB at this point. He’s probably the most natural receiver in the draft in terms of route running and hands, just lacks the explosiveness of Watkins and the size of Evans.

    He’s refined enough that he’d be on the field Week 1.

    If he falls to us at #22 I’d be shocked if we pass. Jets seem like they’re all over him though.

    Just watched more Jordan Matthews tape, still don’t get it. Not enough suddenness in and out of cuts, he does everything in sloooowwww motion. Y’all falling in love with these big body types in Matthews, Benjamin and Moncrief thinking you can coach these guys up to be NFL receivers are going to be disappointed I think. For every Terrell Owens there are 100 Stephen Hills, Justin Hunters, Justin McCareins, Mike Williams, etc. That’s why Mike Evans is going go so high, he’s a natural receiver, even with below average route running.