One Player

Posted: June 27th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 102 Comments »

LeBron James opted out of his deal so now every NBA team will be coming up with a sales pitch to go after him. This got me to thinking…if I could add any player from another NFL team, who would it be?

My choice is JJ Watt, the LDE from Houston. He can play the run and rush the passer from his LDE spot. In the Nickel, he slides to DT and is a very disruptive interior rusher.

I also considered:

* Richard Sherman – a truly dominant CB.

* Calvin Johnson – would be so fun to see him in Eagles green.

* Haloti Ngata – imagine having him at NT.

* Luke Kuechly – would be great to have an ILB with his instincts and tackling ability.

* Jimmy Graham – freaky weapon.

There is no OLB that I covet. Casey Clay Matthews is a player I think highly of, but he’s had some injury issues. Could Robert Quinn play OLB? If so, he’d be an interesting addition. He can really fly. Aldon Smith is great, but has major issues.

I’m sure some of you might want a different QB. I’d love to see Aaron Rodgers running this offense. Because of Foles, I find myself preferring to add an impact defensive starter. Maybe that is being short-sighted.

I bet a few people would want Earl Thomas.

Anyone covet a certain PK?

So which player would you want to add if you could?

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The NBA is weird. The first 5 picks feel like the 1st round of the NFL draft. The next 10 feel like the 2nd round. The final 15 picks of the 1st round feel like the 3rd/4th rounds in the NFL. And the 2nd round of the NBA draft immediately feels like the 6th/7th rounds of the NFL draft. Those players don’t have a good chance of panning out.

One team sold a draft pick for $1M last night. How weird is that?

I have no idea whether to be happy or not with the Sixers. Joel Embiid is incredibly talented, but adding another big man with injury issues? That’s not ideal. Andrew Bynum was a complete disaster. Nerlens Noel is a mystery. Let’s hope for the best with Embiid.

I do like Sam Hinkie. I may not understand all his moves, but I do feel like there is a plan. He comes from the Western Conference, where you have great competition and you must be able to think long term.

I would just like the Sixers to get back to being a fun team to follow passively. I was passionate about them during the Dr. J era, but my love of pro basketball left a long time ago. Just not my cup of tea anymore.

So what did you guys think of the Sixers picks? Is there light at the end of the tunnel?


102 Comments on “One Player”

  1. 1 Ark87 said at 8:23 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Ahem, *Clay*, I presume you mean.

    How would you feel about Von?

  2. 2 RobNE said at 8:42 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Joe Webb

  3. 3 Ben said at 12:52 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    You are clearly joking. Good one.

  4. 4 theycallmerob said at 3:50 PM on June 27th, 2014:


  5. 5 A_T_G said at 8:46 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I don’t follow basketball anymore, either, but from what I understand the light at the end of the tunnel turned out to be a maintenance person with a flashlight and the tunnel goes on much farther. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.

  6. 6 Iskar36 said at 8:48 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I know the Sixers are being ripped, but honestly, I love what they did. Ideally, I wanted Wiggins, but by being pushed to 3 in the draft order, that became difficult. That became impossible when Embiid was injured and the Cavs never seemed particularly interested in Jabari Parker. When it came to our pick, the choice it seems (based on my passive knowledge of the NBA draft) was an elite prospect with injury concerns or a second tier prospect. In my view, there is no point in tanking the season and coming away with a second tier prospect. The strategy we used has its risks, but in the NBA, it takes an elite prospect to really become a contender and that has been the plan the entire time. I’m happy we stuck with that plan instead of panicking when we couldn’t draft Wiggins.

    As for Embiid himself, yes, there is a significant injury concern, but the reports are that the Sixers were one of the teams that have his medical records. I trust they evaluated his injuries and determined that the risk was not so great that it made Embiid not worth drafting. As for Saric, I think the second you are forced to pick Embiid, Saric is immediately a logical pick. Without the help of the 3rd pick in the draft, the Sixers are not going to go anywhere this season. Drafting a rookie who is going to win them a few additional games immediately doesn’t help. Saric has the potential to be a solid prospect and the fact that he is playing in Turkey vs. playing here next year makes 0 difference long term. In fact, it gives the Sixers another opportunity to to enter the lottery and hopefully get a quality pick next year. While this all requires patients, it does translate to a solid core of players that will all have the opportunity to grow together starting next season. We will have Noel, Embiid, MCW, Saric, and a quality pick from next years draft. To me, that has always been the goal for Hinkie, to have a solid group of prospects to build around, and I think he has stuck to that plan successfully.

  7. 7 TommyLawlor said at 9:52 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Good thoughts on the logic to taking Embiid.

  8. 8 nopain23 said at 8:53 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Luke Skywalker Kuechly……no LB in the NFL and only going to get scary is that.add him to this defense and we are a top 5 defense .indubitably.great leader, unmatched instincts,excellent athlete and he’s got the measurables.

  9. 9 Anders said at 10:17 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Kuechly is massivly overrated. Lavonte David is far superior LB, so is Bowman and Alonso, Washington etc.

  10. 10 A Roy said at 10:36 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I’d put Sean Lee in there, too, if he wasn’t injured all the time.

  11. 11 bridgecoach said at 3:44 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    LD is a terrific Lb, but LK improves everyone on the defense like no one else in the NFL.

  12. 12 BreakinAnklez said at 5:52 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    What makes you say he’s massively overrated?

    I’d take Kuechly over all of them, although I do like David. Alonso got a ton of hype but what did he do after his first 3-4 games? I think Bowman benefits a ton from playing with Willis.

  13. 13 bridgecoach said at 3:42 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Completely agree. Especially with a Chip Kelly offense that keeps putting the defense back on the field, having a defensive qb like Kuechly becomes far more valuable. His conditioning and work ethic would fit right in and take our defense to the next level. You can’t over rate Kuechly’s impact.

  14. 14 Dominik said at 8:56 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Short sighted, you have to go Defense. Watt is a good choice, Sherman and Kuechly would be value, too. With OLB, you’re right, there isn’t a guy jumping at you. If Ware would be 28, he would have to be the choice, but he isn’t. Maybe Von Miller, like Ark87 wrote?

    Earl Thomas would be a great choice, too. Not with Jenkins, but for the position overall.

    Long term, it would be cheating to give Kelly Megatron. I don’t even want to imagine what CK would do with this freakish athlete. Nothing against Maclin or Cooper or our two rookies, but Megatron would be the total beast.

  15. 15 RogerPodacter said at 2:08 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    i can’t even imagine a CK offense with Megatron. he’s a guy that will absolutely destroy single man coverage. he would really open up miles of space for even the crappies of RBs to get boatloads of yards in the run game.

  16. 16 RobNE said at 8:58 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I know we all hope Foles is the answer, but wouldn’t the pick here have to be something like Rogers, Luck, then a big drop off to whomever you have 3rd. QB play is worth so much more than say Calvin Johnson.

    I excluded older QB’s thinking that this hypothetical includes x amount of future years of control over the player. But I’d likely take 3 years of Brady before I took Calvin Johnson.

  17. 17 Ben said at 12:50 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    What exactly does Foles need to do to prove to the fans that he is the man?
    He had an incredible season last year and led the league offensively in several categories.
    Having thrown just 2 int’s tells us that he is very smart with the Football.
    Throwing 7 TD’s in one game, tells us he has the ability to be great.
    Winning the East and going to the playoffs and losing by a narrow margin to a team with much more playoff experience tells us that game could have gone either way and that Foles can hold his own against top competition.
    All of the above does not make mention that this was his first season in this system and his ceiling is sky high.
    The last thing I want to see is anyone but Foles as our QB.
    We need to give him a chance to be great and I doubt he will disappoint.
    If I had to pick any player I wanted, I too would have to go with JJ Watt because he is huge and plays with a nasty streak and could bring lots of pressure on QB’s.
    He’s a monster.

  18. 18 RogerPodacter said at 2:10 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    i say this as a big Foles fan: Foles still needs to prove that he can play great football on a consistent basis to get to the level of Aaron Rodgers.
    thats not saying anything *bad* about Foles, more speaking to how great Rodgers is and how long he has been playing at such a high level.

    Also, i think that Foles still has a lot of room to improve with his decision making and getting the ball out faster. again, i’m not saying that he was *bad* at any of that last year, but that he can improve from what i think is already a damn good qb.

  19. 19 suthrneagle said at 2:21 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    All the more reason to want him as your QB.

  20. 20 shah8 said at 2:55 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Why not then, Joe Webb, suthrneagle? All QBs with a bit of shine to them could use the reps to get as good as Aaron Rodgers.

  21. 21 lifelong_homer said at 5:33 PM on June 29th, 2014:

    For some reason this reminded me of Favre’s comments after GB won their superbowl with Rodgers. “Why’d it take so long.”

    Looking at Rodgers years as a starter (from wikipedia)
    2008 – didn’t win a close game all season
    2009 – lost a close playoff game as the wildcard, to a perfect Kurt Warner
    2010 – won superbowl as wildcard
    2011 – set season passer rating, NFC north champs, lost first playoff round (NY)
    2012 – NFC north champs again, lost in second playoff round (SF)
    2013 – injured but returned, won NFC north again, lose to SF again.

    Foles has basically started one season through 2013, and has set the 3rd best season passer rating behind Rodgers and Manning (Peyton) – and the experience of a playoff game loss out of the way. I’m not expecting Foles to follow the same trajectory as Rodgers, but at this point I wouldn’t use my one genie wish to trade 25 yr old Foles for 30 yr old Rodgers either.

    If I had that wish it’d be to bring in Brian Dawkins from the 2006 Eagles =)

  22. 22 BreakinAnklez said at 5:54 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    He needs to do it season after season. Last season was great, now go do it again. And I don’t mean from a numbers standpoint, that’s not realistic. But he can improve and I expect a better season.

  23. 23 Jason A Messersmith said at 9:19 AM on June 28th, 2014:

    Luck, really what has he done so much better than Foles to replace him. I agree with Rogers just not luck. The stats are not that different if you look at a per game basis.

  24. 24 CrackSammich said at 9:17 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I know nothing about the players in the NBA draft, and nobody knows if any of the players picked last night will work out, but it seems like Hinkie absolutely embarrassed other NBA GMs with regards to maximizing value of the picks he had.

  25. 25 RobNE said at 9:19 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    did he take that PG with 10 just knowing that the Magic had spent so much time with him? I wonder if Hinkie didn’t even want him, just took him b/c he knew Magic wanted him.

  26. 26 HazletonEagle said at 9:20 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    he worked out the deal at the last second. it was done and he selected Payton for Orlando at their request as per terms of their agreement.

  27. 27 RobNE said at 9:23 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    we picked first though. So Magic felt like picks 10 or 11 would pick Payton (who I never heard of) before 12? that seems odd. but go Hinkie.

  28. 28 D3FB said at 9:45 AM on June 27th, 2014:

  29. 29 CrackSammich said at 9:46 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    In the NBA, they seem to prefer to select the player first, then trade them. NFL GMs trade for the pick, then select the player. It makes for better TV the way the NFL does it, but gives the NBA teams more time to find trade partners.

  30. 30 Dominik said at 9:49 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    It makes for better TV is one way to put it. I’d say it’s just horrible for the fans to watch the draft, see the name called to their team and then have to wait if there’s a trade in the making/finalised. I watched the draft last year and it wasn’t fun at all, since you didn’t know where which player will end up.

    I’ll take the NFL way all day and twice during draft day. 😉

  31. 31 HazletonEagle said at 8:01 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    ah! yes! I read that Hinkie worked out the deal at the last second. Which means someone was still on the clock. I got it backwards though. They picked Saric at our request. Not we picked Payton at theirs.

  32. 32 Scott J said at 5:58 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    Funny you should mention that because I was wondering why they picked Payton instead of McBuckets. They said the deal happened at the last minute but you have to wonder if Hinkie didn’t have it all planned out. Maybe he didn’t want Saric as much as getting our first round pick back. I wouldn’t play poker with Hinkie.

  33. 33 HazletonEagle said at 9:19 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    he definitely did. He got the best player in the draft at 3. Just like last year he got the consensus #1 at like 11 or wherever Noel was picked.
    Then he got a 1st and 2nd round pick and the best Euro prospect in this draft just for trading a player drafted 2 spots before him.
    He has been great.

  34. 34 Dominik said at 9:44 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I don’t follow the NBA anymore (a little bit of Dallas, since my countryman and living legend Nowitzki plays there; a little bit of the Sixers since it was my first NBA team – yes, Iverson – and because of the talk in the Eagles blogs comment sections) but it seems like, from a trade value perspective, Howie and Hinkie seem to be on the same page. 😉

  35. 35 suthrneagle said at 1:57 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    the brilliance of Howie and Hinkie; in the film
    The Comrades of Summer ,a made-for-TV movie from 1992 featuring Joe Mantegna,directed by Tommy Lee Wallace, written by Robert Rodat and aired on HBO,
    (mybe someone knows how to link this scene here),
    Joe is talking to a local(russian) mechant who speaks of negotiating a deal. Can`t remember what the item was, but after buying ,selling trading,selling , buying and trading again this guy ends up with two of what he began selling. Reminds me of recent drafts in Philly.

  36. 36 Vik said at 9:42 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Tommy, you mean – Clay. I don’t think anyone wishes they had Casey!

  37. 37 Dominik said at 9:45 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Even his brother doesn’t covet Casey.

  38. 38 Vik said at 9:50 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Big Red really liked him. Made him the starting MLB.

  39. 39 Dominik said at 9:51 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Big Red sure was in love with his spider graph. Can’t post that thing enough.

  40. 40 Ark87 said at 10:07 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Good god. The flip side, though, It’s pretty impressive that he’s still in the league. Though that may change after this offseason, I don’t see him making the team this year.

  41. 41 Vik said at 10:18 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Maybe they keep him around-Good ST-er and he is from Oregon!

  42. 42 Dominik said at 11:02 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Who do you cut to keep Matthews? He was the back-up Jack OLB last year (and played only garbage time snaps since Billy D couldn’t trust him). Now we have Smith, Braman and Long for this position. Braman is very athletic and is brought in for ST, we don’t need to talk about Smith and Chip spoke highly about Long.

    If Casey Matthews is on the 53 roster I’m really starting to think that there’s an Oregon bias. That’s maybe unfair, but I would think that way.

  43. 43 RogerPodacter said at 3:10 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    could Casey be moved back to ILB if Smith takes over the backup JACK spot? i would rather have Goode/Acho over Casey, though…
    i think that if Smith beats Casey for the backup JACK position, Casey might be out of a job.

  44. 44 Anders said at 10:18 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    Im going with Aaron Rodgers. He has been the best QB in the NFL over the last few seasons by far.
    Also the impact of a JJ Watt on this team (even with Foles) over a Rodgers is minimal. JJ Watt might be best defensive player since Reggie White, yet his team just won 2 games in a season where he dominated.

  45. 45 Ark87 said at 10:27 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I don’t know if he’s all that. How bad are the packers to not be a dynasty with that sort of QB? It can be argued he’s the best QB, but by far, I’m not so sure it’s that clear.

  46. 46 Anders said at 3:33 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Why wasnt the Colt a dynasty with Manning in his prime? This is a team game, but QB is by far the most important position.

  47. 47 Ark87 said at 4:07 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    That’s actually the exact example I had in mind when I made that point. Here we have Peyton Manning, 1 Superbowl win, 3 Superbowl appearances, tons of AFC championship games, lots of MVP’s. Coming off of a career year, yet lo! There is a demi-god out there who is better “by far”. To me the packers aren’t any less talented than the Eagles outside of the QB position but they’re still a second-tier team, not an annual NFC championship team like the colts (were) and bronco’s are to the AFC.

    In my opinion, the biggest limiting factor to this offense right now is our defense’s inability to get off the field and letting the other team hold onto the ball to keep possessions down. We are also a run-first team. Given those facts, and the Rodger’s largest upgrade over Foles is his deep-ball (which I’m not sure is going to be as prominent this year with our pass-catchers) and his upgrade would provide diminished returns in actually improving this team. Now the 9ers…GOAT!

  48. 48 andy said at 11:58 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I’d take Rodgers too. His mobility is also very, very underrated and I think he would be an absolute monster in this offense (best of all time type of numbers). Watt a great choice, though

  49. 49 shah8 said at 2:58 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Aaron Rodgers isn’t *that* mobile. He just has the athleticism you’re supposed to have at QB, and shows it off more than people like Jay Cutler.

  50. 50 bubqr said at 10:19 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    It was just a very good draft from the Sixers, especially getting a future 1st and 2nd rounder to drop from 10 and 12 and still getting your guy. I think McDaniels is going to become a fan favorite too.

    The only weird thing I can’t figure out is why they don’t deal with trades like the NFL: Commissioner announces the trade and new team is on the clock – Having players walking to the podium with team X’s hat on, answering interview about city X, while you have in fact been picked by team Y through X makes no sense at all to me.

  51. 51 Cafone said at 11:23 AM on June 27th, 2014:

    I think Hinkie is doing what needs to be done in order to compete for a championship… eventually. He doesn’t seem to have any interest in putting together a good team; He is taking a shot at putting together a great team.

    That said, another year of tanking is hard to take. The Sixers should cut ticket prices in half as good will gesture for their fans.

    It also makes one wonder what they plan to do with Noel. Do they show him off this year and hope he impresses enough to return value in another trade? Or do they get rid of him soon lest he turn into a player that could help them win games this year?

  52. 52 Iskar36 said at 12:17 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    I fully agree with this, and I think ultimately, it is the right strategy. Being a team that just barely makes the 8th seed is not what we want, and seemingly in the NBA, that ultimately leads to a team staying in mediocrity (having OK talent, but then not having ammo to go get a high draft pick and often not having any assets to attract star power). Instead, he is hoping to hit on star talent early in the draft to give the team great talent towards the future.

    In terms of Noel, I’m not sure if he will get much value in a trade right now. I’d think they would HAVE to show him off a bit before he would be a worthwhile trade asset. If he is as good as advertised though, I’d love to be able to keep him and Embiid playing together. The interesting thing will be to find out how many additional games does Noel help us win THIS year, and how badly does that hurt us in the lottery. My guess is it shouldn’t make a huge difference, and given what happened to the Cavs this year, I don’t think going from 2nd worst to say 4th or 5th should be a major reason to trade Noel.

  53. 53 jpate said at 2:51 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    i have no worries about winning more games. Last year we had somewhat of a nba roster with young turner and hawes. This year it’s MCW, Noel, rookies and d-league players. Pretty good chance we are worse then the bucks

  54. 54 D3FB said at 12:21 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    I wouldn’t be too worried about Noel causing us to win so many games we aren’t picking in the top 5. The starting lineup is still MCW- Anderson- McDaniel- Thad- Noel. Thad gets moved either to someone who didn’t get their guy in FA or at the deadline. This is still a 20/25 win team max.

  55. 55 Mike Roman said at 12:56 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Not a basketball guru by any means but I’ve been trying to get into this year. I heard some say that Noel could move to PF. Not sure if that’s true. Apparently Hinkie wants to duplicate the Twin Towers.

  56. 56 Iskar36 said at 1:57 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Yea. That’s what I have seen. I think ultimately, both Embiid and Noel will need to play healthy to see if it is doable, but I’d love to have that defensively.

  57. 57 Scott J said at 6:07 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    I think you’re right. I think they’ll show off Noel this year, but then see how well he plays with Embiid next year. There’s no hurry to trade Noel. (Did I say “hurry” when talking about the Sixers? LOL.) It all depends on how well Noel can learn to shoot. But, right now I don’t see it working out with both of them.

  58. 58 Mike Roman said at 12:49 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    If I could pick one player it would be Koy Detmer. He could come out of retirement and still be the greatest holder in the history of mankind.

  59. 59 Scott J said at 6:10 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    We’ve never been able to replace his neck beard!

  60. 60 John Down said at 1:08 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    As for the Sixers, another questionable personnel decision in the draft, and the screwy deal with the Heat. The light at the end of the tunnel is another oncoming train. You have to ask yourself, “What would Chip Kelly do?” Not draft a guy with an injury history for one. Negotiate better for two. And win for three. Sixers=Losers.

  61. 61 phillychuck said at 5:50 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    They had no better options available to them. Without injury, Embiid is by far the best player in the draft. You’re better off gambling that he heals up than any of the guys drafted behind him become superstars. At 10, they managed to get the guy they wanted, and get a second round pick next year, and a first rounder next year for changing 2 places. That was highway robbery.

    In the second round, the first two guys they drafted are freaky-good athletes who many had going in the first round.

    I can’t think of doing much better given the way the other picks fell.

  62. 62 GermanEagle said at 1:52 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Adding Megatron and JJ Watt would bring the Super Bowl trophy to Philly for the next 10 years.

  63. 63 Bert's Bells said at 5:27 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    That’s like adding TO and Kearse to a three time NFC title game loser.

  64. 64 Maggie said at 3:15 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    Good one.

  65. 65 daveH said at 1:53 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    who would I want? immediately comes to mind : Ishita Malaviya, Alessa Quizon, Alesha Dixon

  66. 66 suthrneagle said at 2:09 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Megan Fox, in your words,“would be so fun to see her in Eagles green“.

  67. 67 TommyLawlor said at 9:55 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Best answer so far.

  68. 68 Maggie said at 3:14 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    Hm. Wonder what color her husband should wear.

  69. 69 suthrneagle said at 2:19 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    The NBA is truly weird. aren`t there like thousands of college players?, and yet only 3 elite players this year. Don`t see how that`s possible.

  70. 70 Cafone said at 2:25 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    There’s only five guys on the court at a time, and they play both ways. The roster is larger, but good teams only have a rotation of 8-9 guys.

    Take the best 8 guys on the Eagles and think about what kind of upgrades you’d be getting at the end of the first round in the NFL draft.

  71. 71 suthrneagle said at 2:30 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Here`s my confusion…since there is such a small amount of players,only the truly good ones make the teams. The NCAA has 65 teams that enter the tournament. That`s close to 500 players. Only 3 are elite out of 500 players, just doesn`t make sense to me.

  72. 72 shah8 said at 3:13 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Talent is talent is talent.

    You cannot hide people who aren’t particularly physically talented on the court. Even stiff, relatively narrow on defense guys from Rik Smits to Steve Kerr were wildly athletic compared to your average NCAA player, and they, and those like them, have outstanding aspects to their game in order to survive as long as they did.

    Moreover, virtually no one who even makes it to the NBA (or any other professional league) ever got there without working like maniacs on their games. When Michael Vick said that he didn’t work as hard as he could have, that is talking about taking even heavier a nerdy workload than he already was doing. If physical talent was all that it was, then we’d be talking about Ronald Curry instead of Vick, you know. Compare with Christian Ponder, now that the knives are finally out, where we are definitely getting a sense that he really didn’t work that hard on his game–leading to 69 yard performances on a regular basis during a stretch, and depending on Percy to make it alllll better, while he was healthy.

    Some of you all just have crazy (to me) unrealistic expectactions of Foles, when it’s clear to me that he has a *very* long way to go as a passer. Geno Smith posted horrible numbers, but he made quite a few more good reads and passes, and splits do tend to show that much of the problem was just how terrible his offense was, overall. His numbers go up when he has good players playing, goes down when he has bad players playing. And much of Foles’ numbers are representative of what was outstanding performances by the OL, RB, and WR. In general, the NFL encourages people to think that offensive contributions are all about the QB, and they place as many media figures (or just plain pretty boys) as they can, who can juuuuussst manage their duties as long as they can, and put lots of pieces around them to prop them up. Sometimes it works, for a while. The vast majority sinks, eventually, and a few scrape off rust from their genuine high talents and keep their jobs, like Tom Brady.

  73. 73 teltschikfakeout88 said at 3:29 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Rik Smits was 7’4″ and was not wildly athletic in comparison to D1 BBall players. He was tall and fairly skilled for a big man. Using him as a comparison is not good in that the reason he made it and stuck was he had something you can’t teach….height….as for steve kerr…he was a very good player in college for Arizona but not someone that head a shoulders athletically better than other college players as he was picked in the 2nd round…in light of this he was a very important cog in the machine known as the 90’s bulls…you can win with these types of guys in the NBA….look at the Spurs……

  74. 74 shah8 said at 3:42 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Dang, Manute Bol is just going to be the *awesome*! Shawn Bradley sure showed that heathen Olajuwan last night, didn’t he?

    Smits was second overall, not second round. He was second overall for good reason, despite playing at a small college with a habit of NCAA violations. He also had the usual problems that very tall people get with the lower legs and feet.

  75. 75 teltschikfakeout88 said at 4:05 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    kerr was second round…..Manute Bol or Shawn Bradley were not skilled in my opinion….their play backed that up….I stand by my analysis that Smits was not overly athletic and was taken high because of his height and upside (I did say that Smits was skilled)…similar to Bradley (a terrible sixers lottery pick)….except Smits didn’t suck when he played in the league nor was he as much of Stiff as those two guys….not everyone who is tall gets drafted based on that one thing alone and that is not what I meant by my post…..although your mention of Manut Bol (2nd rounder) and Brandon Heyward maybe an arguing point….but moving on from nitpicking….I agree with your overall post….

  76. 76 shah8 said at 4:15 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    man, I missed that steve kerr part, several times over in read that first comment… /me shakes head at himself.

    eeeh, I don’t really like that sort of analysis, it tends to be that nasty sort of thing where people say that Kevin McHale was a really sound technical player. Yeah, he was, but McHale was really freaking good and a high end athlete in his own right. I think Smits is a lot closer to McHale than he is to someone like Chris Mullin, in the athletically gifted sense. Remember, it takes a tremendous amount of genuine athletic capability to be more than a stiff at seven feet, and more than seven feet. Just like it takes a tremendous athlete to be a decent QB under six feet. That’s what seperates a guy like Smits (or Yao Ming) from Bradley or Gheorghe Muresan. They might not look as athletic as Allen Iverson or Harold Minor, but…

  77. 77 teltschikfakeout88 said at 4:51 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    lets not confuse my use of the term of “overly athletic” as being un-athletic….especially when talking about blue chip basketball prospects…..These guys are all tremendous athletes….its just that the NBA is loaded with guys that were/are supreme athletes in college and in the NBA and so it makes someone like Smits stand-out as being a notch below but that guy would rule the local rec league….

  78. 78 suthrneagle said at 5:45 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    you mean bilicheat`s boy…those 3 sb wins are tainted forever with spygate. He even got concicted for the cheating, just not punished.

  79. 79 stephenstempo said at 6:25 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Wrong on foles

  80. 80 A_T_G said at 8:07 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    A wise man once said:

    shah8 (in response to Anders)
    Then again, this isn’t exactly the forum for Foles. You *could* talk about the topic at hand, you know…

  81. 81 teltschikfakeout88 said at 3:13 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    the concept of elite BB player is arguable….but in a single draft, getting a player like MJ or Kobe or Lebron is just a very low percentage…..that is a very high standard of what is elite….there are plenty of guys that fall into the arguably elite category….look at the Lebron’s draft….Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade were all in the same draft…..Bosh is a very good player and worthy of a lottery pick….I just don’t consider him elite like Lebron……Results like the 84 draft are going to be rare where, Barkley, MJ, Olajuwon and Stockton all of which are HOF…that same draft also had Sam perkins, Otis Thorpe, Kevin Willis, Alvin Robertson and Michael Cage that went in the first round as well……all of these guys were good players in the league (All Stars) but not elite…… just because you don’t or can’t take an elite player does not mean you can’t win…..look at the Spurs….only Duncan is/was elite but he is on the downside of his career….Parker, Leonard and Ginobli are very good players….but not so sure they are elite….but I am sure some will argue that Parker falls into that category….

  82. 82 suthrneagle said at 5:37 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Ok,gotcha…well I think the 6rs are accumulting just such a team…One ROY-done,another ROY on this year`s team, another ROY on the next year`s team,…if they`re not in the elite category, they`re very close to it.

    Hinkie`s got a 3-5 year plan…They will soon be that fun team that Tommy likes to enjoy passively.

  83. 83 eagleyankfan said at 4:40 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Defense — JJ. Offense — AJ

  84. 84 Insomniac said at 5:16 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    I’d have to go with defense. Have to take the younger guys.

    1. JJ Watt (duh?)
    2. Von Miller/Geno Atkins
    3. Patrick Peterson
    4. Muhammad Wilkerson
    5. Lavonte David

  85. 85 Joseph Dubyk said at 8:43 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    The problem with Ngata is his age. He was drafted in 04, how many years of being dominant does he have left? I think JJ Watt is the obvious answer here. If I had a second choice it would be Keuchly. I don’t think Earl Thomas could make a huge impact with our front 7… On offense? How about picking an all-star guard like Marshal Yanda from Baltimore? Imagine that line… Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Yanda and Johnson. Talk about busting some holes or giving Foles some time.

  86. 86 D3FB said at 11:20 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Yanda is only 9 months younger than Ngata.

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 9:38 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Kam Chancellor…..PERIOD!! Lol
    Honorable mention;
    Mohammed Wilkerson
    Marcel dareus
    Jared Allen
    Tamba Hali
    Ndominkung Suh.. It be so much fun to root for that dirty Grimey bastard
    Kiko Alonso

  88. 88 Charlie Kelly said at 11:28 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    you suck at this

  89. 89 GEAGLE said at 9:44 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    European GMs who been trying to sign Dario Saric for years debate whether he is a better prospect than Dirk Nowitzki was at his age… That’s what a steal of a prospct Saric is…

    I’m baffled as how we got Jerami Grant and KJ MCDaniels in round 2. I easily had first round grades on both

  90. 90 teltschikfakeout88 said at 10:10 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    Grant was a full time starter for the first time last year and was hurt for a portion of the year. He is a 4 trapped in a 3’s body and he really is not a good shooter. KJ McDaniels can’t shoot either but has a reputation as a defender….one I don’t think is well deserved. He led the ACC in blocks he won’t be a rim protector in the league. He will chase other 2 and 3 and play on ball D….which I thought he was ok at in college. Both guys went in the second as they should. Curious to see these two in summer league

  91. 91 Charlie Kelly said at 11:31 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    KJ is in the perfect system for runing the floor and swatting passes and getting alley oops n what not.. perfectly suited for that role.

  92. 92 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:37 AM on June 28th, 2014:

    Because ultimately that is what Brett runs…offense predicated on runouts for KJ to get dunks in transition? Don’t see it. Sorry but the better teams will force you into half court play. My concern is can he defend in the half court? Can he shoot? When we are in the half court can he execute offensively such that it is not 4 on 5? I know the answer right now is no he is not a shooter. if he puts it on the floor and tries to slash….welll ill be holding my breath that he does not get it stolen. As for his acc defensive player of the year award…he filled up the stat sheet for block….was vastly improved player for Clemson….but against the better teams in the ACC he was not a shutdown defender that marked the best offensive player….for instance Akil Mitchell was in my opinion the best defender in the ACC last year as he shut down Jabari Parker and other players throughout the season. In fact if you look at Parker’s stats in the acc championship game Parker finished with some respectable numbers but his efficiency was awful and he scored most of his points when Mitchell was on the bench. For me a good defender that passes the eyeball test is someone that can shut down the other teams better offensive players in the half court.. Now all that being said I think the guy is a terrific prospect to get in the second…I think he went right about where he should of but I could also see logic in another team taking him in late first round….

  93. 93 Charlie Kelly said at 8:08 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    fast paced offense thats up and down the court.. not half court basketball..

    he doesnt run his offense for KJ.. KJ has to fit into the offense he runs.. and he does, rather well. step it up. talk less.

  94. 94 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:58 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    That’s not what I was saying..I don’t think Brett wants to run up and down…ultimately we will be a half court offense….ala Spurs….and regardless of what we want to do….the better teams that we see in the playoffs will force us into a half court offense….as for his true fit whether it be fast tempo or half court…. Do you really know… Did you watch him play at Clemson…..or are you just commenting to comment

  95. 95 Charlie Kelly said at 1:48 AM on June 29th, 2014:

    brett most def wants to run… and yeah if he had tim duncan parker and ginolbly then hell yeah hed play half court.. lol.. every player thats on the roster is suited to run… not many half court guys at all.. and we arent sniffing a playoff game.. lol

  96. 96 GEAGLE said at 7:12 AM on June 28th, 2014:

    KJ isn’t really a rim protector, he has this rare freak ability of being good at blocking guards jump shots….

    Grant and KJ Are both quality young additions to our bench, mainly for their defense off the bench,and their athleticism to get out and run.

  97. 97 teltschikfakeout88 said at 9:42 AM on June 28th, 2014:

    Sorry but I believe KJ did most of his damage in blocking shots by guys on dribble drives after getting beat…. He is not a guy that will deny with defensive positioning on the perimeter and just wait for a guy to chuck it up and swat it. I think he is a good prospect with upside…hope he can be a good player off the bench this year that can play good half court D with a respectable plus minus when he is in the game.

  98. 98 Charlie Kelly said at 11:27 PM on June 27th, 2014:

    if we still had desean and then got calvin and had calvin and desean…. now that would be FUN!!!

  99. 99 Mark F said at 1:38 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    I’m with you, Tommy. I was a hard core Sixers fan for my entire life right up until about 2002. The NBA started changing, fundamentals took backseat to highlight plays, (just like is happening everywhere, it seems)…plus the freakin’ Sixers drafting has been so horrednously stupid over the last zillion seasons that I’ve pretty much lost all desire to watch them play. Maybe if they made the playoffs…

  100. 100 McNabbulousness said at 2:22 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    aaron rodgers, best qb in the league playing the most important position in the league

  101. 101 Scott J said at 5:50 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    Basketball is different in that there are very few superstars. So when a guy like Embiid is gettable – you get him.

  102. 102 Scott J said at 6:17 PM on June 28th, 2014:

    I was on You Tube watching some highlights of Hakeem Olajuwon. I forgot just how dominating he was. There are some highlights where he makes David Robinson look foolish.