What We Know

Posted: August 4th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 114 Comments »

Training Camp is a week or so old. The Eagles look like a pretty good team. The defense has won its share of battles, but the offense is still the side of the ball with the most firepower. Shady McCoy has looked flat out terrific, as a runner and receiver. It is always a good sign when your best player shines in practice.

For PE.com, I wrote about what we’ve learned so far. I focused on rookies, new guys and young players. Here’s my take on Malcolm Jenkins.

Malcolm Jenkins looks like the real deal. There is no question that the safety had to be addressed after last year. The team moved aggressively in free agency and landed Malcolm Jenkins. They felt he fit the team on the field and had the kind of leadership skills that could help as well. Jenkins is having a terrific camp so far. He’s made plays in the passing game when the ball is thrown his way. He has covered well, both in man and zone coverage. Jenkins looks like he’s been in this defense for several years instead of just several months. He has been everything the coaches hoped.

Jenkins is also helping as a leader. He is a good influence on both Earl Wolff and Nate Allen. Jenkins is helping Wolff to figure things out. Young players need guidance since safety is a position where knowledge is so critical. You must see the right things and make the right decisions. Instantly. Being able to learn from a successful veteran can really help. Allen doesn’t need help with that side of things. Jenkins is pushing him to play more aggressively. We won’t know how that is going until we see Allen in a preseason game with full hitting and tackling.

I know a lot of fans wanted the Eagles to go after T.J. Ward or Jairus Byrd in free agency. It sure looks like the Eagles made the right call. Byrd had offseason back surgery and is working his way into the lineup. Ward was arrested this spring for misdemeanor assault and has had to deal with that situation. Those guys are very talented players, but Kelly wants more than that. He wants the right guys. Jenkins has been a perfect fit in the locker room and there is value to that.

The presence of Jenkins is one of the reasons I feel optimistic about the defense. He’s not going to be Brian Dawkins, Pt. 2, but he doesn’t have to be that. Just being an effective, reliable FS will do this defense a world of good.

One thing I didn’t say much about is the O-line. It sounds like Allen Barbre is having a good camp. Jimmy Bama has praised his pass blocking. We haven’t heard much about Lane Johnson at all. He’s running with the #2 offense so I assume he’s getting the best of whoever he goes up against. We’re pretty clueless about the rest of the backup OL. And that is an important group. We need someone from Dennis Kelly-Matt Tobin-Andrew Gardner to step up and show they can be the first guy off the bench during the year.

Outsiders who watch the Eagles practice seem to come away impressed and that’s a good sign. It doesn’t sound like the team has the appearance of a juggernaut, but this is just Year 2 for Chip Kelly. I didn’t anticipate this team being an elite Super Bowl contender this season. I had them a notch below that. I certainly hope I’m wrong.

We’ll start to get a feel for the team on Friday night when they take on the Bears.

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Reuben Frank wrote one of his “25 Random Points” articles. Good stuff, as always.

2. When Donovan McNabb left Philly five years ago, I said that within 10 years, all the bitterness, ill will and frustration Eagles fans felt regarding the greatest QB in Eagles history would be gone, and he’d be able to return here and finally be appreciated for all his accomplishments instead of being remembered for his deficiencies and chronic lack of connection with Eagles fans. It sure happened with Randall. When he left in 1995, he wasn’t popular at all. But today he’s revered here and rightfully so. For Donovan, that 10-year period would have ended in 2019. But every time he opens his mouth, he resets the clock. We’re now looking at 2024. At the earliest.

Totally agree. Donovan has been his own worst enemy in the last few years. He says things that range from dumb to merely awkward. I hope he gets into a comfort zone in his life so that we can get back to the point where we think of him fondly. I’ve got a lot of great memories from his days as Eagles QB. It would be nice to enjoy them.

9. Seth Joyner has never even been a Hall of Fame finalist, but he absolutely should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Think about it – 52 sacks, 24 interceptions, 26 forced fumbles. Joyner is the only player in NFL history with 50 sacks, 20 interceptions and 20 forced fumbles. In fact, he’s the only player just with 50 sacks and 20 INTs. Joyner was unquestionably one of the most productive playmaking outside linebackers in NFL history, not to mention a force against the run on one of the NFL’s best defenses over a period of a number of years. Joyner and Eric Allen have both been victimized by Reggie White’s legacy. But as gifted as Reggie was, that great defense was more than one person. Joyner and E.A. should both be enshrined in Canton. That Joyner hasn’t even become a serious candidate is a disgrace.

It is sad that there is so little appreciation for Seth Joyner on the national level. Part of that is due to the fact he was a 4-3 OLB. Those players have a tough time making it into the HOF. Derrick Brooks just got elected, but he has a shiny Super Bowl ring and also spent his entire career with one team.

Joyner – 172 career starts – 52 sacks – 24 INTs – 26 FFs – 12 FRs – 5 career TDs

Brooks – 221 career starts – 13.5 sacks – 25 INTs – 24 FFs – 4 FRs – 7 career TDs

Based on just stats, Joyner deserves to be in just as much if not more than Brooks. But Brooks was the face of the Bucs defense for 14 years. He was rock solid off the field and a great team leader. Joyner could be a firecracker. Not everyone was fond of being around him, especially when he got into a bad mood.

If Jeff Fisher had taken over the Eagles in 1991 instead of Rich Kotite and Joyner had finished his career in Philly, you wonder what kind of a difference that would have made. Kotite brought out the worst in Seth. And there was no way he was going to stay in Philly and play for Kotite without getting big bucks, which Norman Braman didn’t want to pay. So Joyner went off to Arizona to reunite with Buddy. Joyner played well, but that falls under the category of “If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does it make a sound?”. The Cards were a mediocre team back then and they got little media attention. How many people know that Seth actually played some Safety for the Cards due to some injuries? If Urlacher had done that in Chicago, it would have been talked about for years.

25. One more Hall of Fame note: Eight Pro Bowls seems to be the magic number for offensive linemen to reach the Hall of Fame, and Jason Peters is at six. Of the 27 offensive linemen to make eight Pro Bowls who are eligible for Hall induction, 21 are in the Hall of Fame. The way Peters played last year coming off those Achilles surgeries and with no sign of slowing down, I think Peters does make his way to Canton one day.

Peters needs a couple of more years, but he certainly has a realistic chance to be a HOF’er. Heck, a few more SNF games with Cris Collinsworth gushing about him might just do the trick.

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  • eagleyankfan

    Joyner was the man. Loved that guy. Got him to sign a football years ago at a mall. Great guy.
    Jenkins. Everyone is to saying to take it easy on the gushing over Mathews. That’s nothing compared to what’s happening over Jenkins. As with Mathews, I’ll reserve judgment to seeing him in actual games. I’m not saying he is one — but every year on every team there are practice hero’s. As Mathews stated, he’s doing what he’s supposed to be doing. That’s what Jenkins is doing. I am anxious to see them both play and I hope Jenkins lives up to the hype. Mathews has plenty of time to live up to the hype as there are minimal expectations for a rook.

    • P_P_K

      I also really liked Seth. Very cool you got a signed ball.

      • GEAGLE

        I actually think he is starting to become ok as an analyst…keeps it real, doesn’t buy the BS

    • GEAGLE

      Jenkins is showing up and doing everything we want to see out of him…if you are going to have an opinion on what type of impression he made so far, only a fool would give a negative opinion… Doesn’t mean this translate to the season, but I’d rather him look good now, than looking like a bust

      • eagleyankfan

        All I’m saying is, we hear hype all the time about players during ST and as soon the season starts, you never hear from them again. I’m glad everything is positive so far. I’m not about to claim best safety since Dawks(although, that shouldn’t be hard to do) until we see some real games. A flag pole, next to Allen, would look good too. I’ll reserve judgment.

        • GEAGLE

          It’s better then the media telling you every summer that Demeco looks like shit, only to have him beast during the season… Never forgot how hard he was hitting Lacey and the Greenbay running backs..don’t know what got into him that day, but he was punishing the RBs…

          Hopefully Mykal Kendricks brother has a bad year for UCLA and he falls in the draft, and we can add him as a cover backer…we are a Christian Kirksey or baby Kendricks away from having a sick LB core in coverage to match up with today’s TE’s…
          next draft I wouldn’t mind Oregons center/guard, and two more LBs..one who is a weapon in coverage like Telvin smith this year for our bench and subpackage depth, and the other being a big thumper who can run and eventually take over for Meco, like the big boy from Miss St
          ..l
          Who do people expect to be the best safety in college this year? Not crazy about the Landon Collins kid from bama othe Prewitt kid from OL miss

  • RobNE

    I just hope for no major injuries.

    Frank says the Ravens shocked the world (most overused phrase) by making Harbough the head coach, but I thought at that time everyone knew he would be a head coach. I don’t remember the world being shocked.

    I’ll be interested to see how chippy we are with the Patriots. I expect/hope it isn’t like last year where everyone just gushed at how great Brady is.

  • Dominik

    Heck, a few more SNF games with Cris Collinsworth gushing about him might just do the trick.

    Lol. So do you think Kendricks will be the first active player to be voted into Canton?

    • P_P_K

      I’m trying really hard not to hate Collinsworth. Anyone have any advice? Is there a known cure?

      • eagleyankfan

        no. He sux. I use to like him but he turned un-listenable.

      • Dominik

        I actually like him. There are a few Fox guys who are better. I’m just glad those boring CBS guys and the king of idiots Phil Simms on the top don’t have too many Eagles games, since they are covering the AFC.

        Sucks to be AFC fan and have a great game while you need to listen to this lame commentators on TV who have no emotion whatsoever.

        CC has his mancrushes, but for a famous national guy, he knows pretty much (it’s sad that the young guns who want to become something are better prepared for their games, but it’s the way it is). I like Michaels and all the work they do in the backround, too. I don’t watch SNF just because it’s SNF, the game has to be interesting. But if it’s interesting, I like the broadcast.

      • http://www.aceandson.com/blog Richard O’Connor

        See my story above.

        I do agree with eagleyankfan, he used to be better but MNF is a tough game to call. Part of that is on the producers thinking that it’s still 1985 and the fans aren’t as sophisticated about the game (hence the never ending celebrity sightings and booth visits).

        Another part is rapport with the play by play guy. I only watched the second quarter last night but he and Michaels seemed to be in a nice casual groove. It sounded good.

        Aikman is still the tops. Kevin Burkhardt was great from what I heard of him. Would love to see him replace Buck.

      • GEAGLE

        You want to like Collinsworth? Watch inside the NFL and Phil Simms will have a monopoly on your hate! I just want to punch Sims in the mouth

        • Dominik

          I still love Sheils tweet about Simms in January: “I really feel like 2015 could be the year Phil Simms completes a sentence.” Nailed it.

          I mean, nothing against people who tend to stutter or just aren’t good at public speaking. But commentator isn’t the first job that comes to mind if you have this attributes.

          It would be ok if he at least knows about the things he talks about – but competence isn’t the first word that comes to mind if you think about him, either.

  • P_P_K

    “I didn’t anticipate this team being an elite Super Bowl contender this season. I had them a notch below that. I certainly hope I’m wrong.”

    I agree the Eagles are are probably not elite contenders right now, but here’s a quick scenario as to how we could be wrong. First, I’ll be shocked if we don’t win the Division. The Cowboys are going to collapse as Romo is not recovered from his back surgery, the Giants have too many new pieces to coalesce, and the Redskins will have a new name before they see the playoffs under Gruden.

    So, the Eagles win the East, maybe catch some luck and even have a bye. The first playoff game is home against someone like Chicago or Detroit, which we dominate. Suddenly, we have a bunch of mojo going deeper into the playoffs. NO and Green Bay might still be alive but I believe we can take both of them, especially if we’re still at home. I imagine we’ll still have to go through Seattle or SF, but an injury or an upset on either of these teams places us in real contention.

    Hey, a boy can dream.

    • RobNE

      I think we are right there. It’s too easy to look at Seattle last year and think they have the same gap on everyone come next Jan/Feb, it rarely works like that.

      We need some breaks, to gel and improve etc. but so does everyone.

      The division could be a huge help towards seeding for the playoffs.

      I see a rematch with the Pats. Which is why Sconces is so concerned about showing the Pats anything.

      • anon

        Pats secondary is light years better, their front 7 is better now. I wouldn’t want to play them straight up this year.

        Wouldn’t be surprised if revis could cover Coop and Mac at the same time.

        • RobNE

          well normally you don’t get to play a bad team in the SB. there are the Pats and Broncos then a huge drop off (in my opinion, right now, on paper) to everyone else in the AFC.

          • anon

            Agree, but secondary has been their biggest liability for several years. Maybe now it’ll be their WRs.

        • GEAGLE

          I would say our front 7 is comperable to that of the Pats. Only linebacker they have that I would love to add to our LBs is Jamie Collins…and the only DE I like is Chandler Jones, and like Cox, he needs to have a breakup year also…

          I like our secondary…..I would rather have Cary,Nolan,Bradley, Boykin and Jalen instead of Patrick Peterson playing across a bum like Jarroud powers..rather have 3-5’more than capable corners, than a 40million corner and a weak #2

          • Dominik

            You have to give the Patriots D the Belichick bump, though. What Kelly and Payton are for the offense, BB (and Carroll) is for Defense. If you just look at our players on Offense, without CK, we wouldn’t be a juggernaut there, either. Good, of course, but not elite.

            With the Patriots, the most important player for them on Defense is Browner, imho. If he comes back to legion of boom form, he and Revis are a deadly combination for opposing WRs. They have Arrington and Dennard, too, so even depth would be there (if Browner is his old self). And McCourty is a good Safety.

    • GEAGLE

      Collingsworth already talking SB for the birds .

      • http://www.aceandson.com/blog Richard O’Connor

        I ran into Collingsworth crossing Sixth Avenue by Rockefeller Center during the “Dream Team” offseason. Standing next to him, I casually said, “What do you think, Eagles win the Super Bowl this year?”

        He laughed and said, “Hey, you never know. Could happen, you never know.”

        • GEAGLE

          As long as peter king or Berman don’t predict us to go to the Super Bowl I’m happy.. Those jinxes had us going to the SB every other year under Andy

          • RobNE

            I’ll go way out on a limb and for Peter King I will predict he says Packers and Pats. Or Seahawks and Pats, b/c he is too original to pick against the champs.

    • bsuperfi

      Right now, I think we’re a notch below. But things can change drastically over the course of a season. If the team goes on another run in the back half of the season, I wouldn’t bet against them. There’s enough of a foundation here and enough explosiveness that we may turn into serious contenders by the end. There’s just some projection to do. Hopefully there’s less projection to do in the beginning of next season.

      • GEAGLE

        If we can have success against this grueling schedule, we will grow a lot from these games against the NFLs best and I wouldn’t go putting limits on us in the playoffs. Seahawks,packers, Saints… Teams to beat, stick a fork in the Niners, weaker defense, offense will be asked to do too much, which should lead to mistakes from Kapernick who is below average from the pocket…

        This schedule is a tremendous opportunity for a young team like us, especially since the rest of our division isn’t equipped for the Outter division schedule…
        ..
        I don’t think any of our division rivals can beat the Rams or the cardinals let alone the Seahawks

        • RobNE

          on your last point, I want to agree but then the Cowboys were toe to toe against the Broncos. And we, um, we were not worthy. I know our game was early in the season, but it was impressive that the Cowboys could do that and we could not at all. [ducks lightning bolt earned by complimenting the Cowboys]

          • GEAGLE

            Cowboys are the least of my concern… I didn’t thinks it was possible, but they managed to become worse on defense than they were last year, when they were pretty pathetic on that side of the ball.
            ..
            They a have a QB who prob won’t survive the Rams game early in the season. They have 3 good Offensive lineman, but you need ATleast 6 quality OL to be a serious team. Their DL is pathetic, and it was pathetic before there second round DE got hurt.. Linebackers aren’t much better. Having lost their fragile MLB again. There cornerbacks don’t scare me, and their safeties compare to us when we had Kurt Coleman and Nate starting lol.. Fragile runningback…

            Would have been faster to list their positives:
            – 3 offensive Linemen
            – Dangerous WRs
            – Reliable veteran TE, who’s gas tank has to start diminishing soon. I really liked their TE Gavin Escobar coming out of college, but I assume he hasn’t gotten the best coaching since joining the Cowboys..
            – Romo is close to Vick status in terms of no way he can play 16 games… I’ll be shocked if he plays 60 minutes against the rams..
            ..
            I assume they are the worst of the division, they will get a high pick next year to spend on a QB, you know jerry won’t care that Winston jameison is a piece of shit off the field! or a DE since it’s a good draft for edge rushers

            Not sure who I should take more serious the Skins, who have players with personalities that will be toxic when times get tough. I can’t imagine the skins locker room not imploding…Skins defense is still going to be really bad. they won’t stand a chance of defending our TEs and running backs in the passing game..

            I really have no idea who to view as the biggest threat to our division crown…I don’t believe any of these teams are good enough in the trenches to be taken serious. If you are week in the trenches, we have no business worrying about you?

    • GEAGLE

      Romo won’t make it out of September…Mighty Quinn and the rams are going to knock him out of the season EARLY!

  • eagleyankfan

    Thanks T-Law for the updates on MS. Write ups on him are hard to come by…

  • anon

    When you write for PE.com do they give you extra practice footage to review?

  • GEAGLE

    We are going to be a much improved aggressive attack style defense, and I’m not sure Nate is wired to play that way at this point. Hopefully Jenkins can get him to turn it loose and attack, instead of playing the safety position scared to death on your heels trying to not make a mistake. He is worthless to us, if he won’t attack like the rest of the defense. If he is going to get beat and make a mistake, make the mistake knocking someone’s friggin head off. I will personally pay All of Nates fines for aggressive tackling lol!

    Don’t want to talk Nate, because I don’t feel like people turning the discussion to Wolff, because I find it frigging absurd that every time this kid sits out an offseason practice reporters start with the doom n gloom about his knee. That’s what happens when these simple bastards have no QB competition to sell to fans… News flash, there are tons of players on our roster with worse knees than Wolff for people to be worried about. Players will sit out practice from time to time, how the fuck does that warrant every reporter in this damn city to write doom n gloom articles all weekend about his knee. Joke!
    ..
    Props to Tom for not joining the vultures absurd BS this weekend

    • A_T_G

      The issue with Wolff that I find troubling is (1) that the medical staff cleared him to practice but he chose to sit out and (2) that this isn’t the first time it happened. The young man had an opportunity to play in a playoff game and chose to sit. Now he has a chance to win the starting job and does the same thing.

      I don’t think we have enough info to write him off because of this, but when I think back to past Eagles who I can envision keeping themselves out with so much at stake, none of them are players I remember fondly.

      Hopefully this passes and never resurfaces and is forgotten, but Chip sounded pretty frustrated with him.

      • GEAGLE

        If we want to use intel from the season to be concerned that’s fair game…. But it’s absurd that 95% of Eagles sites this weekend had the sky falling because he sat out of a camp practice…

        I don’t disagree with your first paragraph, but if the kid felt like he would hurt his team. And do more bad than good, then he should sit…..If Blaine Bishop would have sat with his torn groin instead of pretending he could play thru it! maybe we don’t get Embarressed by the bucaneers in the worst playoff loss in this cities history and we may have won the Super Bowl that year.

        We really don’t know if he was smart in sitting out last year or if it’s an issue to be concerned with, but I don’t need to hear about it every time he sits out of an offseason practice… Maclin missed as many practices as Wolff if not more, and his knee is much more of a concern, yet I don’t read fans, blasting Maclin all weekend.. You should see the absurdities fans were saying on other sites…when in reality. We don’t have enough Intel to be concerned….
        .our trainers let Blane bishop play in a conference championship. If you are going to play injured, you better not be a liability… Kid has played thru every injury/bumps in bruise he ever had before arriving in philly…
        ..
        Considering this knee has acted up a few times since the medical staff cleared him last November, it’s hard to fault Wolff in my eyes…it’s not like he refused to play and hasn’t had any issues with the knee since… Missing practice shouldn’t factor into the equation, need to wait and see how many games he misses in the future. It’s something to monitor going forward, but not at the doom n gloom stage yet that I seen so many fans talk about this weekend.. We take for granted that this is an intelligent community…have you seen the crap on twitter and other sites about this? Out of control

        • anon

          yeah but medical gave him a full go. If he had something torn or strained they would have let him sit. But they said he should be full go- which means you should at least give it a shot. Or else he has to hope that Maragos has 0 talent, but he and Allen are fighting for spots too.

          • GEAGLE

            If veteran Blaine Bishop did what Earl Wolff did, we probably beat the raiders in the Super Bowl

      • Ark87

        I think Wolff has a confidence issue, or what I would call a level of realism not conducive for pro athletes, at this stage in career anyway. My read on the situation was that he tested himself out and wasn’t running right, didn’t want to hurt his team by putting himself on the field. Contrast that to a guy like Carrie Williams, who can single cover Calvin Johnson on one leg in his own mind. Wolff wasn’t wrong, as a rookie the only thing you’ve got going for you is your legs, but athletes do need to get to the point where they think they’re awesome to the point of being oblivious to their limitations and past failures. For Wolff, that will come with experience and comfort being on the field. I don’t see it as a toughness issue.

        The new stuff, eh, I don’t mind, reps help in the season, legs help more, though. As fans we can argue all day over how much caution is too much. It’s his choice, I’ll give him the benefit of time and results that come of it to see who’s right.

        • GEAGLE

          Good,stuff. Trainers can clear him all they want, but if he mentally feels like he is going to hurt the team, probably not a good idea to play him in the game. last yeàr he said he never really had leg injuries before, and it’s understandable if a rookie experiencing his first knee injury didn’t confidently feel like he could play without hurting the team.

          Think it’s a good thing that a player won’t be selfish and hurt his team by trying to play when he can’t…too often players will go in the game, even if they are going to hinder their team….
          ..
          Gotta wait to see how many regular season games he misses. Play 16 games, and this won’t be an issue. Don’t mind our guys turning it down a notch in August to get to September healthy and feeling good.. If he ends up missing a quarter of this season due to the same knee, then I’ll start to worry. If the kid said he couldn’t play without hurting us, I don’t see how we can question him yet…if a pattern emerges, then we have a problem. Right now it’s impossible to know, and if we don’t have enough intel, I prefer to be positive, than for negativity to be my default status

  • anon

    Bengals give dalton 6 years $115mm in new money.

    • GEAGLE

      No way. How much is GUARENTEED? So dumb!

      • RobNE

        I don’t know but Peter King says it’s a per year deal where they can get out at any time without penalty. Maybe $17M guaranteed. So if that’s true, that sounds pretty team friendly (if you wanted to do a deal at all).

        • GEAGLE

          Ohhh like the Kapernick deal. That makes much more sense… Really hope they don’t sign FOles to one of those deals that will allow our media to talk about replacing him at every hint of adversity these next 10 years…

  • anon

    bryce when 7 carries for 40yds almost 6ypc. Anyone have an old bb eagles jersey?

    • GEAGLE

      Wish the value of they pick they owe us depended on Bryce play instead of Stevie Johnson playing with a punt returner for a QB aka Kapernick..

      Niners cut Jon Baldwin.. What a waste of an awesome size/speed athlete…..tho it sounds like Stephan Hill is looking good this offseason

  • Cafone

    I think both McNabb and Andy Reid, both forever linked together, will be remembered less fondly as time goes on if Nick Foles and Chip Kelly continue to experience success. A lot of people still refer to them as the Eagles’ greatest QB and greatest coach, but let’s face it: on a team that hasn’t won a championship in most of our lifetimes, that’s the best of a bad lot.

    If the Eagles went into the gutter after McNabb/Reid, they’d be remembered much more fondly.

    • GEAGLE

      No way should Mcnabb ever make it into the hall of fame….

      The lack of championships isn’t even the most alarming aspect of their careers…together their record is so poor against the top teams, they were basically bulliys who would beat up on inferior competition, and come up small every time a high caliber team punched them in the mouth…I don’t know how you can call yourself elite, when you came up small most of the time when you were matched up against other top teams

  • Javi Echie

    Jason Peters is a sure fire HOFer and there should be no argument about that.

    • GEAGLE

      Absolutely, when it’s all said and done he will have 9 Probowls in the bank…

      Dawkins better make the hall of fame, for being the godfather of today’s safeties and being elite at his position for a decade..
      ..
      Hoping Carmicheal gets in soon

      It’s so obvious that Mcnabb is not hall of fame material… If you are going to make it as a guy who hasn’t won it all,may QB, it better be something crazy like him Kelly taking his team to the SB so many years in a row…making it to conference games, and usually losing as the favorite is NOT good enough….let’s not even get into how bad his record is against the top teams….best career we have seen thus far at QB! But it would make a mockery of the hall of fame to put Donovan in…. Can any actually say he was on Derrick Brooks or Walter jones dominant level at his position? No way

      • Javi Echie

        I completely agree with everything you said brother. Jason Peters is a HOF lock especially when you think he was an UDFA when he came in.
        If Dawkins doesn’t make it into the Hall in his first year of eligibility then I may be on suicide watch. I mean 9 pro bowls, 20/20 club, a member of the All 2000s Decade team. Accomplishments speak for themselves with Weapon X.
        Carmichael may have a harder time based on soo many good wideouts but I am hoping he makes it in.
        I don’t think McNabb gets in. The only thing that may give him consideration is his all time passing yards and his TD to INT ratio which is very good. Even with all that no way he makes it in. He is also just killing any fanbase he had left with all his off field comments. Like really man talking about Nick Foles might have a hard time having success this year because of what he did last year, like cmon Mac5 just stop talking please and let us remember you for your on field play not your off field douchery.

        • GEAGLE

          He really makes it impossible for philly to like him. And he won’t see the people of philly making noise to help him get in the hall of fame..

          I will be so pissed if Dawkins doesn’t get in the first time. You don’t make that man wait!!!

          Think Carmicheal will be one of those cases where he gets in like 30yrs later, like the dude Claude humphries and I just hope Carmicheal is still alive to see it! since it means so much to him…

          Don’t think being one of the top RT of your era is enough to get Runyan in the hall. Don’t think Westbrook gets in either

      • A_T_G

        I agree with each of these except Carmichael. Roc isn’t even eligible until after he retires.

        • GEAGLE

          Lol I’m assuming you are joking and understand that I mean Harold

          • A_T_G

            I am and I do.

          • GEAGLE

            Just making sure you weren’t secretly Roc’s brother/father/lover or something lol

          • James Adair

            Or all three!!!

  • GEAGLE

    Eagles released their first depth chart today…. Sproles and Nolan Carrol are our top ST return men at the moment

  • T_S_O_P

    Tommy, though Jenkins may not be Dawk Part II, he maybe Troy Vincent Part II, in what he bring to the locker room and away from it as well as high level play on the field. Well here’s hoping anyway.

    • GEAGLE

      I’m much more concerned with Nate/Wolff than I am about what we will get out of Malcolm who is an established DB in his prime, playing for a defense that better suits his talents than the Rob Ryan defense he came from…. His ability to man up on slot WR’s is huge, because teams can’t try to speed up the pace and not allow us to sub Boykin into the game in our Nickle or dime. Billy was talking about this today.
      ..
      He is prob the best run support we had since Quintin Mikell, and he is smart enough to play run and pass, where as last year, we were so worried about our safeties that we often had them focus on coverage, providing little to no run support…..He isn’t the centerfielder Byrd is, and he isn’t the Box safety Ward is…but he is probably more versatile than both, probably a better Secondary QB than both considering the cerebral part of his game is well respected league wide… He also happens to be GREAT for both Nate and Wolff… And his leadership isn’t limited to just the Defense…WRs go to Jenkins for his point of view as well….for him to just arrive here months ago, and already is commanding this type of respect from fellow players is a very good sign…

      When Demeco Ryan is thrilled to have you, and calls you “That piece we have been missing”… That means something to me coming from our defensive leader “cap” Meco Ryan’s..

      When your safeties are Malcolm, Nate and Wolff, Jenkins is the least of our concerns…

      The sexy dream team signings rarely pan out in free agency…Malcolm will prove to be another very wise free agent addition, up there with the addition of Barwin and our 3 free agent outside corners Nolan.cary and Brad…..Safeties still probably won’t be the strength of our defense, but we should see significant improvement from anything we have seen in years back there….heck just being trustworthy enough to not be scared to let our corners press is hUGE!… Very Curious to watch Nate and Wolff in the preseason. I especially want to see Nate play with Jenkins to see if his presence gives Nate the confidence to “cut it loose” and ATTACK!!!

  • RobNE

    David Wilson appears to be done playing football, which is a real shame for him.

    • GEAGLE

      Yeah, don’t care that he is a giant, hate to see any promising young men have their careers cut so short…really really Rooting for Rejus Benn to stay healthy and continue his NFL career whether if it’s with us or someone outside our division lol

  • GEAGLE

    Really hoping to get to September without losing anyone to any significant injuries.. Want to see Wolff, Maclin, Rejus, Bradley Fletcher to all stay healthy this month and not have to sit out any preseason games…think more teams than not already lost players for the season due to injuries…

    Excited to finally get to see Rejus and Maclin in this offense on Friday…. Hoping injuries don’t factor into who makes our 53 man roster

    • anon

      Thoughts on Wolff’s inability to stay on the field?

      • GEAGLE

        He missed 4 games… Where does this inability to stay on the field come from? Let me guess, you paying attention to that Baboon “token”…
        ..
        I think it’s an absolute JOKE to be talking about him as if he is some,broken injury risk. He missed a little over a month his rookie year, and hasn’t had any knee surgeries…kid played thru a torn labrum for months two years ago. I think only a typical Philly DOPE reporter would make a big deal about a kid sitting out a few offseason practices…LOL we have dudes coming off serious knee injuries who sat out as many practices as Wolff, yet leave it up to philly to already be bashing this kid,..
        ….
        If he misses a quarter of this upcoming season, then we have something to talk about. Missing a few practice days is a joke of a story, and it’s what happens when our media can’t sell you a QBS competition, or don’t have any players getting arrested to report on…

        Inability to stay on the field..Bwahahahahahahah

  • GEAGLE

    Anyone else feel dirty admitting that they are excited to see mark Sanchez play as our backup this preseason? Love that he is too media Savy for our hacks to try and get him to say something he shouldn’t …

    Hated the Fratboy. But now he is our frat boy, and honestly I can’t point to too many teams with a backup QB that I’d rather have over him…
    ..
    Who has better backup at QB? The patriots? And mallet hype is just off of people opinion. It’s not like he has proved anything on the field? Kirk Cousin, Brandon weeden(cowboys) and Ryan Nassib(giants) certainly aren’t better than Sanchez… Id LOVE to lock up Sanchez Longterm so we can get Barkley to look good in our offense! get his stock up these next two years to fleece some team like we did with AJ Feely and KLOBB(doesn’t deserve his name pronounced right,)

    • Ark87

      I know the feeling, but for me it’s even worse because I’m not only accepting him as a backup QB but also as a personality, “hey this guy is kinda cool- wait when did this happen!?”

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Nick-Foles-Polar-bear.html

      • GEAGLE

        LOL, yeah, hate to admit I enjoyed him as a guest on the eagles weekly podcast. Crazy that reporters from New York come to our practices every day to follow him

    • RobNE

      only a one year deal. I’m afraid he’s another guy who can’t handle pressure who will look great in the preseason. I’m not on this bandwagon, would rather see Barkley get more snaps.

      • GEAGLE

        How many teams in your opinion have better backups?
        ..

        • P_P_K

          Exactly. Although I agree with RobNE, too, I am curious about Barkley. Both guys have looked good in the past and then played lousy. We’ll get to see both guys in the pre-season and then, hopefully, only in games after Nick has developed a 40 point lead going into the 4th quarter.

          • GEAGLE

            I think both Barkley and Sanchez can be coached up to look good in our QB friendly offense LOADED with pass catchers. We have the ultimate check downs in shady and Sproles…any time you need 5 yards, you put both on the field and send them both out as WRs.. High percentage passes….we also have BIG pass catchers who also happen to be easier to throw to…

            Unless Barkley drastically outplays Sanchez! I’d rather keep Sanchez as our backup, because of his playoff experience, and flip Barkley for draft pick… But I think our coaches can grow both of them Into capable backups….I just would prefer Sanchez size, arm, and experience

          • OregonDucker

            TRUTH! Sanchez is better than Barkley, and just needs Chip to succeed.

        • RobNE

          This is more about the potential of Barkley v. having seen Sanchez play for years and thinking he is just not that good. Right now in a game, yes I take Sanchez. But I like Barkley’s promise more.

        • CrackSammich

          I get what your point is, but this is like Washington bragging about having the best 3rd QB in the league. If you ever have to go to #2, you’re already screwed. And based on that, I think all of the teams are on even ground.

    • GENETiC-FREAK

      Hasslebeck

      • GEAGLE

        3 years ago maybe…mallet, but I’m just basing that on GMs opinion of him…guess Vick is a good backup, but I would hate to lose a starter and have a fragile backup QB.

        When Kirk cousins is one of the highly touted backups league wide, I can’t complain about the Frat boy

        • GENETiC-FREAK

          haha man forgot about Vick

          Yip pretty happy with Sanchez as backup.. Eagles are in a good spot

          • GEAGLE

            Knowing he is going to get hurt, they may as well start him, knowing Geno will still get his game experience because Vick has season tickets to The injured reserves!!

        • RobNE

          I just looked up Mallet’s stats. Career, he is 1 for 4. CAREER in the NFL. So how is he bad, good or who knows? How does he have this reputation for being so great he would start everywhere else???

          • GEAGLE

            No clue man… All I know is I heard multiple personel people around the league who call him one of the 30 best QBs in the NFL… That’s not my opinion, I have no opinion…no idea what he is…

            Of course we probably see. Dumb franchise overpay for him when he hits the open market next year. No idea where the mallet hype comes from, but I been hearing it for years….we will know if he is worth a damn, by how hard or how little the Texans go after him at the end of the year. If Obrien isn’t really interested in trying to add him, then I’d bet a team is signing a DUD

    • OregonDucker

      Sanchez worked under a defense guru who had no understanding of offense trends or advantages. He was positioned to FAIL. Under Chip, he is positioned to succeed. The JETS will never be successful with a Defense-oriented coach.

    • 76mustang

      Sanchez wants to be a starter again, don’t think he wants to be a career backup – a great insurance policy for this season, hopefully Barkley develops into a viable starter over the next couple of seasons.

      • GEAGLE

        That’s exactly what I worry about

  • GEAGLE

    Our division rivals aren’t sound enough in the trenches to be taken serious. Our rivals are barely solid enough on one side of the ball in the trenches, let alone both offensive and defensive lines…

    Doesn’t a take a genius to know everything starts up front, and ii don’t see any of our rivals that can best us on both sides of the trenches, thus I don’t see any rivals that deserve to he treated serious…. Skins and Cowboys will probably get worse safety play than we got last year, and neither have corners to be scared of…

    Doubt anyone in our division can hold us under 30points…and I expect a defense that gives up 18-24 points per game the majority of the time,,unless we have 40 on the board and give up some garbage time crap points.

    We have the best linebackers in the division, best OL, best running backs, best TE’s, at the end of the year we will prove to have the best DL in the division.

    On paper, the giants secondary is on our level or possibly better. The teams in our division have good WRs… No one in our division on paper has a much better pass rush.. Be furious if we lose more then one division game, and I would love NOTHING more than to run the table on this division.
    ..
    And I think we have the best coaching staff, and the best trained players. No team should ever be in better shape than us.i don’t even see how that could be possible…..

    Redskins are practicing with the patriots this week. Be curious to see how the Patriots reporters compare working against us, with practicing against the skins..,

    • Sean Stott

      You don’t think Dallas’ O-Line can hold up to our Front 3/Front 7 ?

      I think they have a shot.

      edit: Giants secondary will never be on our level with DRC & guaranteed money. Dude will be taking a 3 year nap now that he got paid.

      • GEAGLE

        I think one side of Dallas line can hold up….but no, I don’t think they have 5 OL who can block our DL…Tyrone smith side will be good, other side is sweet

        I agree about the Giants.l..amakamura is tiny, DRC isn’t wired as an elite player, but it was just being fair and going with national consensus that the giants have the best safeties and DBs when personally, I don’t believe that to be the case at all.

        DRC has double the talent of Cary Williams! but I’d take Cary all day every day over that pussy. Dude our big WRs will smash amakamura and DRC I’m the screen game

  • Jack Waggoner

    Are we doing a Fantasy league this year?

    • GEAGLE

      I’ll do it if we play for some type of monetary prize(doesn’t have to be expensive), but I won’t play if we go by last years rules..has to be PPR..last years rules were so boring
      ..
      If a bunch of us are going to do this every year, think it be cool for us to start a dynasty league $20 a team, nothing crazy…. Most of us are draft freaks, so we could probably form an interesting dynasty league..

      I can’t stay engaged if we don’t play for anything, when I have other teams with money riding on it..,

      Let me know what you guys decide

      • A_T_G

        They won’t let you Skype in? My brother Skyped into our draft while living in Wisconson for a few years. It is less fun than being there, but it works.

        • GEAGLE

          The kid who is running it used to always win…let me in two years ago and I won both tems…he is literally just doing it to not let me play. No matter what I suggest I know he will say no…

          It’s a crappy spot to be in because 6 of the guys in the league are lifelong friends, but the kid who runs the league I only know thru them.. Before I joined he won 3 out of 5 years….no matter what, he will find a reason to not let me play. I just found out today, and it’s making me sick to my stomach cuz I don’t know what to do. I can’t not play fantasy.

          Even worse I saved this kids dynasty league, someone quit and I bought the worst team, knowing I would have to pick two keepers from the team he drafted the year before and his players sucked…I paid knowing I had no shot in winning. I’m stuck chosing keepers between Steven Ridley, MJD, Trent Richardson. So my keepers were like 3rd and 4th round players, facing teams with like Shady and Bramdon Marshall as the keepers. I knew I had no chance to win, I basically donated 50 bucks, and now this prick will let me play in the dynasty team, and not me play in the regular team…..so aggrivated today

    • Cafone

      no interest… I like playing in a league with no Eagles fans so I can take all the Eagles ;)

  • ICDogg
  • OregonDucker

    I am hesitant to say this but Chip will deliver the Eagles to the SB this year. Core players now believe, Foles, Shady, Peters, and the rest of the locker room. Games will be tough, SF and Seattle will be nail-biters. But this team will prevail. Mark my words, I am the first here to declare the obvious. We will prevail! Super Bowl 2014 – Eagles vs Losers.

    • RobNE

      you aren’t even the first on this article’s comment section to say this, I said it way down below where I said I see a rematch with the Pats. Not that I’m claiming to be the first either.

    • A_T_G

      But… but… if I believe now I’ll never make it to September.

      I am reserving my full-fledged, wholly rational, unwavering belief that this is finally the year until the week leading up to the start of the season… just like every year.

    • GEAGLE

      We SPANK the Niners and Colts on the Road.
      ..
      The Niners defense is going to Give up 35pts at home to Chip and put up no more then 24 against us.

      iGaurentee FOles will NOT LOSE against Andrew Luck. I know it, like I know tomorrow is Tuesday. He will not let us lose that close game and beat Luck in his house.

      win a 3pt gam vs. Seattle at home
      ..
      Lose 2-3 trap games out of: titans, Rams,Texans, Panthers
      ….
      .Lose one of the two: @greenbay or @Arizona both want revenge from last year…

      The most we lose is one division game.

      So you see, I still have us losing 4-6 games, but I think our youngbucks
      Will learn that they can play with anyone in the NFL this year, win enough big NFC games to catapult us into one nasty fucking playoff team!.. Get to the playoffs with close to last years health. And big wins against the Seahawks, Niners will give our youngbucks the confidence to take us to that next level…

      This schedule is a tremendous opportunity for the growth of a talented young team. Especially since you have the division games as a safety net…

      If you make the playoffs, you can win a SUPERBOWL. Don’t know if they do it, but after this year I will expect everyone to know that the eagles are legit and we will go into the 2015 season with a top 12’defense!

  • Scott J

    Ya gotta give Andy Reid credit – he always got us the best left tackles in the league.

    • GEAGLE

      I appreciate him for even taking Fisher and “giving us” the best LT in a last years draft!

  • GEAGLE

    Check out the Barwin interview of today on PE.com via CSN. Some really good stuff.

    I knew Kevin Greene was with Billy Davis at practice working with our DL/LBs but I didn’t realize just how involved he was. Our OLBs have his ear for 3 days and they even have him in the OLB meeting rooms which is pretty damn cool.
    ..
    Barwin talked about how he is getting a lot out of it, since they he has a similar body and style to Greene. Love how grounded Barwin is “I’m not going to compare myself to Kevin Greene and his 15yr career because that would be just stupid lol. But I show glimpses of similar pass rush moves every once in a while, and I honestly am already seeing things he taught me these past two days showing up for me in practice today.”
    .l
    .. Hopefully Marcus!Cole.BG, Long and Braman can make the most of their last day with a player I have no idea how he isn’t in the hall of fame already. Marcus says he learned some bullrush tricks from him already.,Barwin also spoke on how much the OLB room has improved from last year. And it’s evident that Cole and BG are reaching new comfort levels…

    Can’t wait to see the defense in preseason… The whiteboy attack!!

    ………….hart……..Beau Allen………Kruger
    Braman……..Phillips……….Knott……..Travis long
    marsh, Reynolds and Nolan are “lighter”.. I’d probably have to play Casey Mathews at the other safety spot to complete it (yikes)…

    All jokes aside, I am curious to see similar backup front 7 in the preseason

    The ferocious 3rd string front 7 also know as “the white out!”

    • Scott J

      I’ve only heard bad things about Kruger so far. I was hoping he would step up this year. Maybe he’ll turn it up for the preseason games?

      I’ve been hearing lots of good things about Hart. I look forward to watching him Friday.

      • anon

        yeah he’s basically Momah size but not skill.

      • GEAGLE

        Yeah I haven’t heard any stllar news from Kruger either. I’ll be sure to watch all his snaps from Fridays game…I will say that out of 90 players he is still the second youngest we have. He wasn’t a pick made where we knew needed time to develop.

        I mean, I probably would rather keep him for one more year before we give up on him, and in reality. keeping Kruger would only cost us losing D squares.. Figure we keep 7 DL like we did at the end of last years preseason, but only dress 6. Putting Kruger on practice squad is probably too risky. I’d take the loss of square, and make Kruger the 7th DL, the one that doesn’t dress on Gameday until there is an injury. His upside is still way way higher than Squares…he showed the ability to put on a good amount of muscle in one red shirt year, I would like to give him a another year to grow, and actually practice with the eagles! see him in next years camp, before we give up on him…

        If we expected to get much out of the baby in his first two years, than we were just braindeadl and I believe we are smarter than that… Keep him as the 7th, lose D Square, and dress 6:
        1)Cox
        2) Logan
        3) Thornton
        4) Curry
        5) Beau Allen
        6) hart
        7) inactive on Gameday Kruger..

        With Villanueva making it on the practice squad

  • GEAGLE

    gaurentee Kruger makes the roster even if he doesn’t look great. Don’t believe we will consider cutting him before we see him in camp next year.. Keeping a high upside developmental project like him as the 7th DL who is inactive on Gameday is only going to cost us the Loss of d square,,,
    .,,
    Krugs as the 7th DL, take that to the bank..
    ,,,
    But he will have to perform at a high level in next years camp to remain on the roster

  • CrackSammich

    At the time of me posting this, there are 100 comments on this post. 44 of them are by one poster, and it’s not Tommy. I used to love the comment threads here, but they’re starting to get unreadable.

    • A Roy

      I don’t have to continue beyond your comment to know which huckleberry hogs up all the commentary and makes it less fun here. I read and comment less and less.

    • the midatlantic

      it’s odd. and rather sad.

    • Phyxius

      Wow, I actually counted 44. You weren’t kidding.

    • RobNE

      doesn’t bother me

    • http://www.corcommunity.com/ theycallmerob

      on the flip side, the comments over at 24/7 have really thinned out

  • Sconces

    Tommy you said Matthews lasted to the 2nd because he went to Vandy. people I talked to disagree and that Vandy is a good team in a great conference. Can you expand on your belief that playing there hurt his stock?

    • Insomniac

      Matthew’s lasted to the second because he had his flaws. He didn’t stand out anywhere besides breaking a record.

  • eagleyankfan

    Nice to see Chris Maragos get reps with the 1’s at safety. Anything can happen. From what’s being written, Wolff is a tad disappointing so far.

  • Raul Estrada

    I thought Joyner did win a SB ring with Denver after losing with GB?

    • Miami_Adam

      Technically, you’re right… but Joyner had 4 tackles that whole year with DEN.