DGR – PHI 27, NYG 0 – The Defense

Posted: October 17th, 2014 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 69 Comments »

I’m posting the defensive notes now. Will post the full DGR later on.

Bill Davis and his defense did a masterful job. The Giants were averaging 35 points a game in their previous 3 contests. They were red hot. But in playing HOU, WAS and NYG, they didn’t exactly face a trio of great defenses. I didn’t see the Texans game. The Skins played on a short week and were just awful overall in that game. The Falcons could not generate a pass rush to save their lives. The Giants played well in those games, but they weren’t challenged.

Davis had other ideas.

The interesting strategy he had was to play his base defense against the Giants 3-WR look. Teams love to go 3-wide to get the Nickel defense on the field. That opens up running lanes. Davis stayed base. He would either have Nate Allen go out over the slot or he would have the OLB walk out there (Cole or Barwin). This essentially dared the Giants to throw the ball.

Davis then had his players play press coverage. That kept Giants receivers from getting a free release. The Eagles weren’t jamming them, but were playing close enough to affect how the players ran their routes. Eli Manning had been getting the ball out very quickly this year. Prior to Sunday, he had only been sacked 7 times in 5 games. He wasn’t holding the ball long at all.

The Eagles pass rush racked up 8 sacks. There were some plays when they cleanly beat blockers and were on top of Eli instantly. There were other plays where he had to hold the ball due to coverage and then pass rushers were able to get him. It seemed like Eli was under pressure all night long. There were a couple of plays when he did have good protection and Eli felt phantom pressure. That’s when you know you’ve got the QB rattled.

The Eagles did mix in Nickel and Dime looks in obvious passing situations. Davis had some creative looks.

* Interesting look from the late 1st Qtr. Eagles showed 3-man front with Curry and Cole as DEs, with Beau Allen at NT. Barwin jumped down at DE beside Cole at the last minute and drove Eli to Curry, who got the sack.

* 3rd/long. Had CBs play off. Boykin & Marcus Smith buzzed into underneath zones while the CBs played deep. This took away any quick, safe throws and prevented downfield stuff.

* Trent Cole played the Where’s Waldo role. He lined up all over the field. Connor Barwin moved around a lot as well, but Cole seemed to be all over the place. He gave the Giants fits because they never knew where he would line up or where he would attack once the ball was snapped.

It was a lot of fun watching the Giants OL get whipped. Not one of them had a good game. RT Justin Pugh was especially awful. He was beaten to the inside and the outside, repeatedly. Teams will study that tape and attack him in the coming weeks.

Great gameplan by Bill Davis. Great execution by the players. That’s how you come up with a dominant defensive showing…and a shutout.   



COX – Unblocked on 1st Qtr run and got TFL of RB. Perfect 2-gap technique on 2nd Qtr run. Engaged the LT and read the play. Saw the RB trying to cut back to the outside. Cox shed the block and tackled the RB. Got some pressure on the next play, a pass. Cox ended up on the ground and an OL speared him. Drew the flag. Stuffed an inside run play in the early 3rd Qtr. Used hard inside move and got pressure on Eli. Forced a quick throw. LG easily could have been called for holding. Pushed RT to the ground and stuffed 3rd Qtr run that came to his side. Hustled out wide and tackled RB from behind. Was in on 5 total tackles.

LOGAN – Controlled the middle of the line. Got the best of the C for most of the game. Stuffed Eli when he tried to scramble up the middle in the 2nd Qtr. Just missed that being a sack. Got some pressue on pass play. Pushed the RG into the backfield, then used a spin move to get off the block and pressure the QB. Shed the C and stuffed RB at the line on 1st/GL run play in the 3rd Qtr.

THORNTON – Started quiet, but then got going. Destroyed the RG and flushed Eli on the final play of the half. Shed the RT and stuffed a 3rd Qtr run that came right at him. Got off block of the RG and got to Williams as he started upfield. Gave up a few yards on that play. Finished with 3 solo tackles.

CURRY – Had 2 sacks. One came when Barwin flushed Eli to Curry’s side. The other was a coverage sack. Curry lined up over the RG and got by him into the backfield. Eli moved up in the pocket. Curry got off the block and sacked Eli from behind. Was disruptive on a regular basis.

BAIR – Best game so far. Shed the block of the LT and stuffed a run that came his way late in the 1st Qtr. Shed the LG and stuffed a RB that came up the middle in the late 2nd Qtr. Had a chance for TFL in the late 2nd on run play, but LT held him. Bair did force the RB to stay deep, wide and someone did get a TFL. Looped around wide and got pressure on 4th Qtr pass play. Sealed the game, and the shutout, with a sack on the final play of the game. More about hustle and good coverage than anything Bair did as a rusher. Had to be exhausted at that point so seeing that kind of hustle was impressive.

B. ALLEN – Good showing. Lined up as 3-tech on early 2nd Qtr pass play. Used very quick burst and good move to split the LG and C. Eli saw this and moved to his right, where Barwin was free for the sack. Great job on 2nd Qtr run. Fought through block of C off the ball. Got to his outside and moved with the play. Had to work through trash, but finally got to the RB. Ryans already had control, but Allen was able to pile on. One of these days Beau is going to get a sack. I can’t wait to see his attempt at a sack dance.


COLE – Robbed of a sack in the 1st Qtr when Barwin selfishly sacked Manning himself. Lined up at LOLB and used a hard inside move to beat the RT and sack Eli. Chased down a run play from the backside. Blitzed the A-gap on 2nd Qtr screen pass and the play had no chance. Eli had to throw the ball away. Looped to the inside and hit Eli as he released the ball, causing an incompletion in the 3rd Qtr. Active game. Lined up all over and was regularly disruptive.

BARWIN – Has turned into a combination of Seth Joyner and Reggie White. Led the team in solo tackles (5). Had 3 sacks and FF. Covered well. But quiet game other than that. Got sack on opening series. Went upfield, then used spin move and got Eli from behind. Coverage sack. Did manage to knock the ball loose, but the Giants got it. Used a very good spin move to beat the RT for a sack in the early 2nd Qtr. Next play was a run on 3rd/26. Barwin got by his blocker and just slung Hillis to the ground. Got a sack in the early 4th Qtr when he beat the RT off the ball with a pure speed move. Barwin got pressure on other plays. Regularly in the backfield.

GRAHAM – Didn’t seem to play a lot until the 4th Qtr. Did make a good tackle in the 1st half when he chased down a draw play from behind. Finished the game with 4 solo tackles. Hustled from the backside and got strip sack on the final drive. Giants did recover the fumble.

SMITH – Played mostly ILB, but did rush off the edge and hit Eli on next to last play in the game.



RYANS – Stuffed a 2nd Qtr run. RB tried to cut back and Ryans was right there waiting for him. Got easy TFL in the late 2nd. DL strung out a run play to the outside. Ryans just mirrored the RB and then came upfield for the tackle. Made excellent pre-snap adjustment on 3rd/GL play. Moved to zone and Eli threw to WR who probably would have been open vs man coverage. Cruz did catch the ball, but was tackled quickly. Was only in on 3 tackles, but that’s because the Giants couldn’t run the ball or sustain drives.

MATTHEWS – Great job on 2nd Qtr run. Made pre-snap move and got into better position to handle the play. Flowed to his left and mirrored the RB. Once Casey had a clean lane to him, went up and made a physical tackle. Helped Bair to stuff a 2nd Qtr run up the middle. Diagnosed 3rd Qtr run play very well. Saw where it was going and got to that gap. Fought off the lead blocker and got the RB. Did give up some yards on that play. Recovered fumble late in the game. Good showing.

ACHO – Robbed of a sack in the 1st Qtr when Cole selfishly sacked Manning himself. Blitzed around the edge and got there fractions of a second after Cole had already hit Eli. Not the best athlete, but did a solid job of dropping quickly on pass plays and trying to take away easy passes.


N. ALLEN – Led the team with 6 total tackles. Covered Cruz out of the slot on the opening play. Gave up catch over the middle. Covered him several other times and did a surprisingly good job. Broke up 3rd Qtr pass play. WR was juggling a catch when Nate hit him and knocked the ball loose. Missed tackle of RB on 4th Qtr run play.

JENKINS – Came up quickly to pop Cruz on catch over the middle to start the game. A couple of plays later, Williams ran over Jenkins, but Malcolm managed to slow him down enough that others could gang tackle Williams. Blitzed up the middle in the late 2nd Qtr and had a free run at Eli. Forced him to throw the ball away. Close to grounding. Had inside position on TE on throw into the end zone. TE couldn’t get to the ball. Played the deep Safety a lot in the game and never let the Giants get behind h9m.

WOLFF – Didn’t see him on D.

MARAGOS – Didn’t see him on D.


FLETCHER – Gave up some yards and completions. Beaten on deep comeback route on the second drive of the game. Beaten by Randle on comeback route. Had solid coverage, but wasn’t in position to prevent the catch or make a play on the ball. Gave up 18-yd completion to Beckham on 3rd/14. But…that may have saved the shutout. If the Giants don’t convert there and faced 4th/14, they probably kick a FG. Had good coverage on 4th Qtr pass play, but never saw the ball. Luckily it went out of bounds. Stripped TE Fells on play where the Giants got into Eagles territory. Eagles recovered. Fletcher was involved with a couple of huge plays that led to the shutout.

WILLIAMS – Mostly a quiet game. Didn’t have many throws come his way and run plays weren’t getting out to him. 2 of his 3 solo tackles came on the final drive. Almost gave me a heart attack late. Made terrible tackle attempt on TE that got loose down the sideline on the final drive. Tried to hit him up high with a shoulder. Didn’t even slow him down. That let the TE turn a 15 yd play into a 29-yd gain. If that had turned into a long TD…I might have snapped.

BOYKIN – Stat sheet only shows 1 tackle assist, but Boykin had a good game. Quick tackle of Cruz on 3rd/GL kept him from scoring. Had okay coverage on Cruz on the 4th/GL play. Wasn’t blanketing him, but had inside position and forced Eli to throw over him. That helped to cause the incompletion. Covered well for most of the night. Played  a mixture of man and zone. Helped to keep Eli confused and took away some quick, underneath throws.

CARROLL – Helped Boykin get Cruz down on 3rd/GL pass. Made good tackle on 4th Qtr screen pass where the RB appeared to have some room to work with. Had 3 solo stops.

WATKINS – Not sure if he played on D.



69 Comments on “DGR – PHI 27, NYG 0 – The Defense”

  1. 1 Engwrite said at 8:38 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    Tommy: you have a typo on line two. The NYG didn’t play the NYG

  2. 2 Nicodemus_09 said at 8:43 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    Are you sure man? It could be argued that the Giants pitched in kicking their own ass when they realized that running their mouths & stompling on our logo resulted in an unmitigated ass whupping. : )what a masterful job the Eagles did at it. Lol

  3. 3 Nicodemus_09 said at 8:55 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    There must’ve been a nearly audible group ass clench from the Giants interior line when they saw Cole lining up to shoot a gap. lol GOD you just have to love Trent Cole. What an Eagle. That had to also help make up for the lack of Kendricks performing that function. Well done Billy Davis. Speaking of Cole, are their a better group of players on our team than our Bearcat alums?! Cole, Barwin, Celek & MY FAVORITE, KELCE. IMO, those 4 are the valves of the heart if this team. Not to mention, they posses football IQ to spare at their respective positions. I wouldn’t trade a one of em’!

  4. 4 Ben said at 9:24 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    This Justin Pugh game feels like redemption for the Winston Justice game.

  5. 5 GermanEagle said at 12:59 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    No. We were still 4 sacks short. 😉

  6. 6 b3nz0z said at 3:30 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    i try to remember that as the game where Eli was yelling to his O-Line – “guard The Freak guard The Freak!” Kearse may not have lived up to the hype but he had his nasty moments.

  7. 7 Media Mike said at 4:35 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Justine Puke

  8. 8 P_P_K said at 11:10 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    I wasn’t sure if Chris Maragos got on the field with the D. I’m lovin’ that guy on special teams. There was a piece on him yesterday by Sam Donnellon. Here’s a couple of quotes by Chris which capture why I am so psyched about this Eagles team. And, I dare anyone to read these without thinking of a certain wr who is no longer on the team.

    “Coach Kelly really emphasizes the culture or mindset of the guys he brings in,” Maragos said. “So when you have a culture of guys who believe in what they do and are willing to be about the team and not about themselves, then you have a cohesion that allows things to come together really really well.”

    “What’s really cool about what we’re doing here in Philadelphia . . . ” Maragos said. “We have so many unselfish guys. Everybody’s willing to sacrifice for each other. Everybody’s willing to go the extra distance, study film. Those little things make such a big difference.”

    “When you have 11 guys who are willing to be accountable to each other and do anything to help the team win,” Maragos said. “That’s when great things happen.”

  9. 9 mtn_green said at 12:09 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Watch the kellystrator from rams game. He points out that on the blocked punt Jenkins was first to the ball but let Maragos pick it up and score TD because he came at the ball from the wrong direction to scoop and score.


  10. 10 iceberg584 said at 7:16 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Was thinking about that same thing when I read Maragos’ quotes above.

  11. 11 OregonDucker said at 3:40 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Chip Kelly – “Culture beats Scheme!”

  12. 12 iceberg584 said at 11:14 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    It is going to be very interesting to see what the Eagles do with OLB after the season. Before the season, it seemed a certainty that Cole would be gone given his 2015 salary jump along with the selection of Marcus Smith, but his play is definitely giving the front office something to think about. Then you have Brandon Graham, who is turning himself into a viable OLB in addition to being a pass rusher. Do they pay to keep him? And, of course, they have a first round pick invested in Marcus Smith.

  13. 13 BC1968 said at 11:27 AM on October 17th, 2014:

    BARWIN – Has turned into a combination of Seth Joyner and Reggie White.

    Also it looked like Bill Davis had Trent Cole in the role of Lawrence Taylor that game, never knew where he was coming from and wrecking havoc, awesome. I got carried away there, so what

    Also there’s this from that Giants article on the offensive line yesterday, where there was a question about the brace Pugh had on his left inside elbow:
    “A reasonable question to ponder given what happened is if the Eagles
    spotted this and adjusted to throw a lot of inside pass-rush moves at
    Pugh, or was it simply just one of those nights?”
    I would have to say it was one of those nights where he sucked.

    Hey Chris Christie work on your diet and stop bullying small NJ towns before worrying about the Fly, Eagles, Fly song.

  14. 14 Sean Stott said at 12:36 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    BG better be on the team next year.


    What’s a realistic number for how many of these exist? 10?

  15. 15 Ark87 said at 12:48 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    If he’s not it will be one of those cool obscure Jersies in a few years. You can tell casual fans how underrated Graham was. If the pass rush keeps working, and BG keeps looking good as an OLB (not just a pass rusher) you got to think we’ll try to keep him around. We’ll make an offer I think but there will be so many variables: having perhaps more value as a 4-3 DE would a 4-3 team make him a bigger offer. Will we be able to offer him a very good chance to win a starting job (will our competitor offer it to him?). Then that works into what happens to T-Cole… it’ll be a mess, but a good mess to have.

  16. 16 iceberg584 said at 3:23 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    His pace right now is perfect. I don’t think he will draw prohibitively huge money from a 4-3 team, but simultaneously has shown enough development and potential as an edge rusher that we keep him around.

  17. 17 Ark87 said at 3:30 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I agree with you he is perfect where he is right now as a rotational role-player. But there are some teams with a very very sad pass rush out there right now that I could see dishing out more cash for a potential starter than we are willing to deal for a role player. I think more important than the money though will be the potential for play time. Everything BG has said points to the dude just wants to play.

  18. 18 Sean Stott said at 4:17 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    There’s reason to believe that T.Cole takes a team friendly contract, we keep both, and start the transition.

  19. 19 Ark87 said at 5:51 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I think you’re right about T-Cole, if he does, Graham might leave looking for more play time if someone offers it to him. He’s an extremely driven individual, and being a starter has always seemed like step one of his stated (I think I’ve heard him state it in an interview anyway) personal goal- becoming a pro-bowler. He needs more snaps to make a big enough impact to get the recognition and accolades he’s looking for. But there are no guarantees he gets such an opportunity, or I could be completely off-base and Graham might be perfectly content to be a role player here.

  20. 20 Sean Stott said at 6:50 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I’ve gotten that same sentiment him. Conversely, I’ve gotten the sentiment that he wants to get it done in PHILLY, since they drafted him. Prove the haters wrong.

  21. 21 anon said at 10:34 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    like Bryce Brown? He was my fave but he’s back to riding the pine in buffalo.

  22. 22 mtn_green said at 3:39 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Rewatched SD game and BG played great.
    I think eagles will throw money at him. He might go where he thinks he can get more snaps.

  23. 23 D3FB said at 5:03 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I think I have the only rookie year BG jersey when he wore 54.

  24. 24 MaggieMagpie said at 4:08 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Was watching NFL Network a bit this morning. Saw banner across the screen which was showing some NFL Fantasy rankings. The Eagles Defense was ranked NUMBER 1!! As an after thought, when the Wide Receivers rankings were shown, number 11 in Washington was ranked Number 10.

  25. 25 Crus57 said at 4:17 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    That may have a bit to do with it (at least in NFL.com fantasy) being Defense/Special Teams combined, and both have scored more than the average amount of TDs so far this season bumping the score up. Still not a bad pickup for fantasy though!

  26. 26 MaggieMagpie said at 11:10 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I’m not a fantasy player myself, but having watched some stuff I see that the knowledgeable people don’t necessarily rate players/teams on last week’s games, rather on how they feel the player or team will perform in the upcoming game. Which means rating the opponent, and previous performance against that opponent as well. Looks awfully time-consuming! ;~)

  27. 27 Media Mike said at 4:34 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    He took 4+ years to do it, but Brandon Graham has finally shown that he’s better than JPP.

  28. 28 Mitchell said at 2:14 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    BUt NAwt ErL TomASS!!!!

  29. 29 ACViking said at 4:40 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Re: Why All The Love For Brandon Graham?

    T-law wrote of Graham:

    “Didn’t seem to play a lot until the 4th Qtr.”

    In a game in which the Birds’ pass rushers, especially their OLBs, dominated the NYG’s O-line . . . why is it that Brandon Graham saw so little time during the most important part of the game?

    What’s the message from the coaches?

    Maybe it’s not the same one that’s making the rounds among the fans?

  30. 30 anon said at 4:44 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Think the Eagles don’t plan paying that $2.5m playing time bonus. It will be interesting what decisions they make in the offseason — if BG ends up with 8 sacks in a situational role he can do well for himself here or elsewhere.

  31. 31 ACViking said at 5:50 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    A . . .

    From your comment, am I correct to understand that Graham’s contract has a $2.5M bonus component?

    Did not know that, if so.

    And I think you’re sure right about Graham. If he lands 8 sacks (w/ very few of them being the unblocked “gift” kind), he’s in the driver’s seat money-wise.

    As an aside, as hard as he’s worked to fit in here, I just can’t see him passing up the chance to move back to a 4-3 team.

    It’s his last shot at a pay day.

  32. 32 GEAGLE said at 6:51 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    From my recent understanding of the situation I disagree. As well as BG is playing, he shouldn’t have a care in the world right now, knowing he is getting quality snaps on a good team and all he has to do is keep it up and he can put himself in a good position come free agency…. Yet he didn’t at all sound happy about heading into free agency. He seems worried and focused on playing well enough so he can stay here…instead of accepting a bunch of reporters praise he talked about being worried because he wants to badly be here when chip wins a Super Bowl. Seemed convinced chip was going to bring one…

    A player we drafted, high character, Beasting on ST, getting better and better at a crucial position who desperately wants to remain an eagle?… My money we work it out, and a fair extension is reached before Brandon ever reaches the open market.

  33. 33 ACViking said at 7:10 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    GE . . .

    Two things.

    First, regarding quality snaps, T-Law has BG down as not playing D until the 4th Q. That seems to say the coaches still see him well behind Cole — especially when Cole is having the kind of game he did Sunday.

    Graham v.2014’s better than v.2013, no question. But the distance between him and Coles still seems to be noticeable enough to the staff that BG’s just a part-timer.

    Second, if TCole leaves after ’14, I can see Graham being lured to stay. But for Ugarte’s price.

    I’m not sold at all on Graham agreeing to stay at any sort of discount from whatever he can max on the open NFL market. Under any scenario.

    Having said all that, Graham’s been a “tough luck” guy. He may pull a reverse-Banner . . . .

    Dubito mai la GEagle

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 6:00 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Didnt feel like posting on Vacation but HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!
    Seahawks trade Perxy Harvin to Jets for a draft pick…CLOWNS!

  35. 35 Avery Greene said at 8:19 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Interestingly, this might make them better. Kelly says, “Culture beat scheme every time.” This guy was a cancer in that locker room and he’s a pain-in-the-you-know-what to deal with. I’m a Carroll fan and I think he’s a pretty smart coach. Maragos talked a lot about how he’s similar to Chip in that he thinks outside the box and it’s more a college atmosphere in that locker room (in a good way).
    I look at this the same way I looked at Jackson, except it’s well-known that Harvin is a head case.

  36. 36 anon said at 9:57 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    You kidding? Percy Harvin hasn’t done anything in 2 years. He’s always injured and when he’s on the field hes not effective in SEA. He’s too brittle for returns and can only run gadget plays. To even mention him in the same breathe as Djax is crazy. Him and All Day were a great combo in Minny.

    The Eagles FO did something to scare people off Djax. Even when Harvin got traded for a kings ransom the first time he had injury issues, etc. and SEA is taking a huge L on that deal. Here’s the details of the Harvin trade to SEA:

    “The Minnesota Vikings traded Harvin to the Seattle Seahawks
    on March 11, 2013 in exchange for a first and seventh-round draft pick
    in 2013, and a third-round draft pick in 2014. Immediately after the
    Seahawks acquired Harvin, they signed him to a new six-year, $67 million
    contract with $25.5 million guaranteed.”

    If you can move that guy for a conditional mid-round people must hate Philly and Idzik must know he’s getting all the blame for the state of the Jets and not Rex Ryan (as it should be). Can’t believe you’d give up so much for a guy that’s produced under 50yds this season. Good thing about Harvin’s contract is that all the guaranteed $$ is done after this year so he’s cuttable.

  37. 37 D3FB said at 1:25 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    You think Idzik’s more responsible for the state of the Jets than Rex?

  38. 38 anon said at 10:33 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    Yes, kinda. Whoever is responsible for drafts / FA acquisitions should be fired. Marty Morningwig should also be fired, i just don’t think he’s that good. They have nothing on offense.

    Rex as a coach is great in my. That team is 1-6 but he gets his guys to play big on defense every single week and they don’t give up on him. They played the broncos really close, they played NE really close. That impresses me every single time. He stands up for his guys in the media, i think players love playing for him and he can put together a top 5 defense despite having a worse secondary than us.

    Just offensively it’s terrible. And i don’t know whos fault it is, but if i was GM i’d hire a decent OC, play smash mouth play action football and get some players, there’s tons out there.

  39. 39 D3FB said at 4:23 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    To me the roster isn’t 1-6 bad. The OL has some decent pieces. Their backs fit what they want to do. With the addition of Harvin, they have some decent options to throw to. You could do much worse than decker, harvin, amaro, kerley and salas. Their defensive front 7 is legit, and 5 of the 7 are young.

    Their biggest problems are at QB and DB. At DB Milliner and McDougle getting hurt was a nightmare situation for them. It forced Antonio Allen out of his more natural S position to play CB, which lead to a domino effect. Geno’s lack of development hurts the Jets. But there wasn’t anything the team could do. Geno showed enough last year that taking a QB high, would have been foolish. I think Rex is a good coach. But he needs to be more of an autonomous DC than a head coach.

  40. 40 CrackSammich said at 12:29 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    Probably a cap move.

  41. 41 Ark87 said at 6:08 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I’m looking to start a somewhat civil conversation about Macus Smith. He’s been seeing some reps at ILB for a few weeks now, which speaks to how injuries have made us thin on the inside given that we have tended to be philosophically opposed to cross training young players (think playing Outside CB snaps stunting Boykin’s growth as a nickel CB), especially a player that has mentally struggled so much.

    It makes me wonder if this will become a staple for him as he develops. Do we intend to be moving him all over the defense as he matures? I don’t want this to turn this into a silly Canton or bust conversation, but projecting how we intend to use Smith as he develops might give us a clue to the vision Chip and Billy D have for this defense down the line. Any thoughts?

  42. 42 GEAGLE said at 6:20 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I expect him to be another Barwin..well rounded OLB that brings the 3 things chip looks for in his OLBs, set the edge, Rush the passer and drop into coverage…by next year, Jack and Predator will be gone, even if we keep BG and Marcus, both can play Jack anyway now so we will transition to mirrored OLBs.. Like Barwin, Marcus will be a kid you move all over the place to confuse defenses..
    Playing ILB now is a necessity, I don’t view it as his future..

  43. 43 Ark87 said at 6:32 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    That’s generally been my conclusion. But the more I think about it, Marcus Smith was a bit too far behind the learning curve this summer to all of a sudden try picking up a new position (using the Boykin precedence). I’m beginning to wonder if these snaps are more than empty snaps out of pure necessity and we intend to move him all over much as we moved Cole all over during the Giants game, except perhaps more devastating because moving him all over doesn’t necessarily mean he’s coming. He has the athletic versatility to play every linebacker spot. Pre-snap reads quickly become a heck of a chore. We’re starting to collect some versatile athletes in the linebacking corps like Barwin, Smith and Kendricks, and after getting a peak at the creativity displayed in that Giants game, I think I’m starting to to get a glimpse of Davis’ vision.

  44. 44 GEAGLE said at 6:43 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Marcus will be an OLB.. Don’t be a prisoner of the moment. Look big picture…2yrs of OLB experience, let’s not overreact to a 3 week stint at ILB out of pure necessity. Supply and demand! Our ILB supply was really Low, we didn’t have much demand for OLB with BG playing like crazy…

    Today there is a case to be made for why he may be our Longterm ILB,..but that will change when we draft an ILB high in May…. Either another Kendrick brother is on his way to philly….or if you liked the idea of Marcus at ILB…you can go get a Real 6’5 ILB in Miss St Benadrick McKinney!

    Respectfully….I think we will get our answer to this debate real soon…Kendrick coming back, Casey Mathews and Acho playing well earning some ILB respect…on the other hand we have 3 OLBs currently playing out of their minds…. What’s going to happen to marcus? Staying at ILB as a 5th ILB?… My money is he will be back at OLB in a week, and this ILB stuff will all be left in the pass…
    Keep in mind, that we will grow more and more in our situational football with different defensive packages.. You don’t need to use Marcus as an ILB in your base. To use him as a Nickel LB or the Dime LB… Barwin never plays ILB and Billy still moves him all over the place..
    Having two good OLBs is NOT ENOUGH! You really need ATleast 3!

    I think we aren’t done “reconfiguring” the LB position

  45. 45 Ark87 said at 7:37 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    That’s the thing, I don’t see it as a necessity, we generally rotate 3 OLB’s (Cole, Barwin, and Graham) and 3 ILB’s (barely, typically Kendricks and ‘Meco don’t come out of the game unless a specific package only calls for it) when healthy. All of a sudden we have a rotation of 4 ILB’s.

    Don’t take this as being down on Smith, that he’s going to be ILB full time or anything because he’s a crap pass rusher, quite the opposite. Smith is quite raw in his natural position, and a bit behind the learning curve because of that. If we don’t absolutely have to put him at ILB (we don’t, really) why risk stunting his growth by teaching him another position while he barely grasps his natural position? I think the way we are using smith now will be a permanent aspect of his game. I agree the ultimate plan is for him to be a true OLB to mirror Barwin, but also a versatile piece you move around the field (like Dion Jordan at Oregon). But go down the road 2 or 3 years or so, come 3rd down, suddenly you can have a guy like graham come in a role player, move a guy like Smith inside next to Kendricks and have Barwin out there too, suddenly you have a whole lot of pass rush ability, and 3 guys who can drop with a TE or RB, figuring out who’s doing what becomes a nightmare. Just my 2 cents.

  46. 46 EagleNebula said at 7:43 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    With Boykin, the situation is different because he is the “starting” nickel CB…though personally I would love to see him on the field more.

    I may be in the minority but I see it as a huge need filled if he pans out at either position and this “experiment” as a win-win. With how well the OLBs have been playing he won’t be able to get on the field, so this is an excellent way to get him on the field and up to NFL speed. So either he flashes inside or he gains much needed experience. And I don’t think the cross training will be a detriment to his development.

  47. 47 Ark87 said at 7:53 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    I don’t think the cross training will be a detriment either, I actually think it will be a feature of his development as an extremely versatile piece we move all over the field in all sorts of situations. Good post.

  48. 48 EagleNebula said at 8:16 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Thanks, it’s actually a very interesting conversation to have, so long as it is done objectively.

    You bring up a good point considering Davis seems to like to move his linebackers all over the place. That play where Jenkins had a free run at Eli was set up by rushing Barwin and Cole right up the middle. Fran Duffy has a great All-22 GIF of it:

    **EDIT: I can watch that all day

  49. 49 mtn_green said at 9:14 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Ms2 will be the next Barwin. Starting OLB for many years. His athleticism and versatility will be huge. Bigger than the addition of jenkins

  50. 50 GermanEagle said at 7:47 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Chip. Kelly. Rules.

  51. 51 Sean Stott said at 8:00 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Pete Carroll & Percy Harvin drawing parallels to Chip Kelly & Desean Jackson

  52. 52 Ark87 said at 8:08 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Except for the compensation part, DJax’s contract torpedo’d that for us.

  53. 53 anon said at 9:42 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    yeah it’s all unguaranteed after this year but he’s making “$10m” next year

  54. 54 Anders said at 2:41 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    The Hawks most likely get a 6th. That is the same that the Jags got for Blaine Gabbart. The fact that the Jags got any picks for Gabbart makes every other trade looks like steals

  55. 55 MaggieMagpie said at 11:03 PM on October 17th, 2014:

    Yup. A jerk in the locker room is not worth the few highlight catches they’ll produce.

  56. 56 shah8 said at 2:30 AM on October 18th, 2014:


    Percy was out there, assaulting teammates worse than Cary Williams, staying less healthy than A. Benn, and does less WR work than Jamaal Charles, yet Seattle got more for him, than the Eagles got for DJax.

    I am pissed.

  57. 57 D3FB said at 3:51 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    Harvin can be cut any time after the end of this season for no dead money. Idzik knows Ryan is gone and he has an owner who cares more about image than process. But by all means continue to ignore the context of the matter.

  58. 58 Nicodemus_09 said at 10:54 AM on October 18th, 2014:

    Hey fellas, I couldn’t manage to get the image on this thread. : ( So if you have a second please check out Tommy’s Twitter feed (I’m nicodemus09 over there too) I made a collage that I think is pretty accurate as to T-Laws ultimate pre game spread 🙂 Let me know what you guys think OK?? THANKS! Oh & hey, PLEASE don’t take this the wrong way? I AM NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA WHORE! But friend me up if the mood srikes you guys? I live so far away from Eagle fans, up near the EXTREMELY dangerous & volitile Canadian border. So each day could easily be my last.:( The Canadian Mounties just strut up & down the border like Nazis dressed by their mothers, just LOOKING for an excuse to strap me down & force me to watch Curling! :))

  59. 59 BC1968 said at 1:44 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Dude go to Imgur, sign up and upload there, then whatever site you go to you can post the links that will show up as images on sites I learned that from reddit, the heroin site of the internet. I can’t even find what you’re talking about, but I’m not much with twitter.

    Curling??? It must be something, the Simpsons did an episode about it. What a boring and weird sport(?) that is.

  60. 60 Nicodemus_09 said at 4:35 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Thank you for the Imgur recommendation. GREAT SITE!

  61. 61 MaggieMagpie said at 3:29 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Well, an excellent athlete like Vernon Davis could not master curling, so no wonder you’re afraid! The view from just the other side of the border:

    “Drawing up contingency plans for unlikely scenarios is kind of what the military does, so it’s not that surprising that, during the 1930s, the American army made plans for the invasion of Canada. What is surprising, and a little unnerving, is how seriously they took it. The plans, officially known as War Plan Red, included the bombing of Vancouver, Quebec, and Montreal and the use of poison gas against Canadian troops.
    Things really got out of hand in 1935, when the war department secured $57 million in funding to build secret military airbases disguised as civilian airports along the border. In “slightly hysterical” testimony before Congress, American generals explained that the US had to be prepared to seize British territory “in an emergency.” When news about the airbases leaked, a furious FDR had to reassure Ottawa that he wasn’t planning an invasion and force his Secretary of War into a humiliating public apology.”

    Good thing because 4 years later, when Canada declared war on Germany, many American young men joined our forces. At the time going to war was seen as heroic(still is) and glamorous. Even after the U.S joined in 1941, many still trained at our bases. 2nd Lt, Glenn, who was instrumental in establishing the Tuskegee Red Tails, acquired combat experience with the R.C.A.F. Got a little carried away with the history lesson. Oops.

  62. 62 BC1968 said at 3:51 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Hmmm, history shows that Canada started a war with America by attacking the Baldwin brothers residence after some kind of trade embargo enforced on Canada by the US.
    It was due to an incident where some American kids learned obscene words from a Canadian movie. Somebody’s Uncle was involved I believe.

  63. 63 Nicodemus_09 said at 4:55 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Oi….where to start. I can’t fault Vernon Davis for struggling with running a push broom down a strip of ice. Are you actually suggesting that the worlds top athletes are actually hidden away in the Canadian hinter lands armed with brooms? I guarantee that Aaron Rodgers would look really darn silly at the highland games in Scotland, but I still want him leading his team in a 2 minute drill. No matter the spin that gets put on curling, I’m really sorry, it just seems really silly & archaic to most folks. As for WWII, there’s no denying Canada’s heroism & invaluable contributions. THAT SAID, if it wasn’t for the good old U.S of A jumping into the fray, I fear that Canada today would likely just be a nice winter destination & skiing outpost for the first of ten centuries that the maniac Hitler predicted for his 3rd Reich : )-

  64. 64 Mitchell said at 1:05 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Thoughts on Stefan Diggs out of Maryland? Burner, good in space, good returner. 6’0″ and 190 but is not finesse. Idk looks good to me.

  65. 65 BC1968 said at 1:14 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    The comparisons from this scout article are to Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee and Randall Cobb. Here’s a good write it on him. http://recruiting.scout.com/story/1433575-cfb-watch-maryland-wr-stefon-diggs?s=73 This write up is before this season started

  66. 66 BC1968 said at 1:20 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    http://i.imgur.com/biTdfg0.png That crap will be in the closet before Halloween.

  67. 67 BC1968 said at 1:32 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Cut it oops http://i.imgur.com/FmGESln.png

  68. 68 BC1968 said at 3:42 PM on October 18th, 2014:

    Check out this poll of who the fans picked would be the best QB under Chip Kelly. Nick Foles,former QB’s Jaws, Cunningham or McNabb You vote then you get the answer, which is a massacre.


  69. 69 Mark F said at 11:19 AM on October 23rd, 2014:

    Are we ever going to get the offense DGR?