Roller Coaster Win
Posted: October 5th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 275 Comments »The Eagles built up a 34-7 lead. Life was good.
And then the Eagles decided to make things interesting. The defense got sloppy. The offense got worse. Next thing you know it was 34-28 and the Eagles were holding on for dear life. Fortunately, the team was able to get a stop at the end of the game and seal the win.
Even when the Eagles led 34-7, the game wasn’t a barrel of fun. The offense was frustrating. Still, it was good to see the team get out to a big lead. The defense could then pin their ears back and attack. The offense could focus on running the ball.
There wasn’t a lot of cheering at the end. More like a huge sigh of relief. Blowing a game like this would have been pure torture.
While the Eagles made it closer than it ever should have been, they did win. And we can’t lose sight of that fact. Think about all the times that Donovan McNabb or Michael Vick led a comeback that came up just short. Those weren’t moral victories. They were losses. Today, the Eagles won. That doesn’t mean you ignore the frustration of letting St. Louis back in, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
It isn’t very often that the Eagles get to 4-1. This is the first time since 2006.
We’re all frustrated with Nick Foles and some of his mistakes, but let’s keep things in context. He isn’t having some disastrously bad year. He’s highly inconsistent, but that is better than someone who consistently bad. Foles mistakes can be fixed. The offense put up 20 points today. This was nothing like last week’s shutout.
It is absolutely fair to be critical of him. Heck, Nick would agree with a lot of what you say. He watches the tape. He sees the issues. He’s a young QB and those guys can take some time to work through issues. As long as he’s playing reasonably well, you have to stick with your QB. This isn’t a position where you want to go back and forth and ride the hot hand. Foles does not need to be benched.
As long as you believe in the player, you stick with him. And Chip Kelly sure seems to believe in Nick Foles.
Some of you have asked me about Foles future. I have no idea right now. We have to let the season play out. If he gets back into a groove, you’ll see a hot QB and think he’s definitely the QB of the future. If he continues to be up and down, you’ve got a much tougher decision. The key is that you have to set those questions aside for now. Let Foles do his thing and see how the season turns out.
The only way you sit Foles is if he gets hurt or plays terrible. And for those who think he’s played terrible, you’re flat out nuts. Go watch Bobby Hoying from 1998, Doug Pederson from 1999 or Mike McMahon from 2005. That’s terrible QB play. Foles is frustrating and inconsistent, but there is still more good than bad.
There is plenty to fix, with Foles and the rest of the team. The good news is that the Eagles can work on that stuff while sitting at 4-1.
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Good luck to your O’s, Tommy…
Why thank you. Funny that I’ve got a playoff game to watch, but it is so secondary to Game 5 of the NFL regular season. Priorities, right?
Wish I could care, but wasn’t hearing no Phillies love when we were winning, in fact my friend, you were always coming into camp saying, uh can’t wait for everyone to stop talking about baseball. lol….Wish I could share my luck for you…..
I flipped the O’s on at 3:47 and sweated out the rest of the Eagles game on gamecast on my phone.
Showalter managed the hell out of this series.
great win, but fun to see the fans here subdued…no parties yet
we’re expecting more
Not happy at all right now. Everything you said is true, Tommy, but still. Not happy.
I wouldn’t expect you to be “happy”. Team is highly frustrating. But there is still more good than bad. Don’t lose sight of that.
You’re right. Just that I’m hearing a lot of “just be happy we’re 4-1 right now.” I am, but it goes way beyond that.
I was at my sons’ soccer games for the second half and Merrill was battling the static. How closely did the defensive collapse coincide with Ryans’ early exit?
More importantly, how did the soccer games go? And are teams still doing orange slices at the half, or is there a new, sports science?
Well done sir with orange slice joke…..absolutely crushing……
You mean Mariota slices
Deep callback that I enjoy. In the industry that’s called a “one percenter.”
teed up
Looked like Davis went with a very vanilla prevent defense again with a big lead
It was more Davis going into a super defensive cover 2 shell and that allowed the rams to sink and dunk with a ton of yacs
Just so I do say one thing that’s positive, I love me some Beau Allen. That is all.
How about that ponytail?
I don’t think I’ve ever been less excited about a 4-1 team. Just have no faith in Nick right now. Really hoping he gets it together in time for Sunday night.
Distressing win and it should not have been that close. Dumb mistakes led to a 21-point swing for the Rams. My takeaways:
– Williams and Fletcher are horrid. Why can’t Boykin at least get a look outside? He cannot be any worse than those two.
– Nate Allen is too inconsistent. In short, outside of Jenkins our secondary is not very good.
– Foles is way too inconsistent, but at least he’s not making the same mistakes weekly. The long ball is not his thing, so I’m not going to fret over it.
– Something is wrong w/McCoy. He doesn’t seem himself and he seems like he’s struggling.
– Our D-line is legit. I liked the pressure these guys get.
– Our outside linebackers (sans Barwin) need upgrading.
– Why can’t Polk get a couple carries a game out of the pistol?
– Our special teams is legit.
Right now we need the bye. If we can sneak a win vs. the Giants with our banged up team, it’ll be nice to have 5-1 at the bye.
Polk reinjured his hamstring. Coaches probably weren’t running him with the offense since they were worried about him reaggrivating the hammy, which are notoriously easy to be a persistent nagging injury.
Sadly, I think at this point we’d have to say that Polk being much if a factor this year a long shot at best wouldn’t you say?
The Eagles are 4-1. While many of you want to bitch and moan, I will enjoy this win leading up to the Giants game.
Hating on Foles is insane. The team is 4-1. Despite an o-line composed of scrubeenies, he has a QB rating over 80. And several of his interceptions were essentially punts.
The fact his interceptions were deep in opposing territory is irrelevant. Sure, they could have been worse. But this defense allowed the Rams to just go down the field for TD’s three times. We didn’t need a punt on 1st down. We needed a score. We needed time off the clock. They were stupid decisions and bad throws.
In fact, there is ample evidence that long interceptions aren’t that costly. For one thing, they’re almost never pick-sixes. Second, you don’t lose much field position.
Nick’s rating is over 82.5, which is above average. The Eagles lead the league in scoring. They are 4-1, their one loss coming to a team that was in the NFC championship last year. And Nick has managed this despite having a line filled with practice players, as well as an ineffective RB.
So let’s see this “ample evidence.”
Most of those big plays come off screens, which is fine, but let’s not pretend he’s been successful throwing downfield. They are 4-1 against bad teams, most of which were nail-biters.
The only reason they were able to beat the Rams were ST and defensive touchdowns. To pretend that Foles just handing them the ball to score a TD had no effect on the game is just silly.
Yeah, the one thing that’s true for this week is this – I will giggle endlessly at anyone stupid enough to talk about how much time he had in the pocket this week. The middle was getting pushed into his face consistently, and even Peters was giving free runs away like it was early Halloween.
Early pressure on a QB is the way to beat EVERY QB. Early pressure up the middle is the absolute best strategy for keeping a pocket QB from getting comfortable in making reads.
Foles was bad again – inconsistent is too kind. But that O line is the problem right now. Not too many sub 30 QBs are going to be successful behind that line, and even the greats aren’t going to consistently successful behind it.
Disagree on Foles today and it wasn’t because of the continued inconsistency on his deep routes.
His two turnovers were just flat out mistakes and poor plays. There were also 2-3 throws today that were really forced and Eagles’ receivers did a nice job of fighting for the ball and breaking a possible INT. Also had 1-2 floaters that could have been possibly picked.
No reason to bench Foles but he played poorly today and it was largely because of some poor-decision making.
He’s throwing off his back foot and bailing out consistently. Not good. But probably completely unrelated to the consistent pressure he faced up the middle and from his blind side. C.o.m.p.l.e.t.e.l.y.
I’m going to repeat: he’s third in the league in long passes (20+ yards). And his INT rate is fine.
If you want to bash Nick, the stat to attack is his completion percentage and perhaps his TDs. His other stats are good.
Eagles have attempted far and away more passes of 20+ yards this year than any other team coming into today and it wasn’t even close on passing plays. Kind of a bogus stat.
There QBR was 28th on those same passes coming into the league. A lot of that is due to that fact that teams have been able to rush 4 and get pressure consistently on Foles but he has really struggled too on his deep balls all season long including today.
As for his 5 INTs, that isn’t anything to write home about either.
Interesting. Do you have the numbers regarding long pass plays?
As I have said, Nick has one fewer INT than Andrew Luck. Many good QBs have five or four right now. Only Manning and Roethlesberger have significantly fewer.
But Nick’s completion percentage sucks. I will grant that.
Philadelphia Eagles: Of Nick Foles’ 166 pass
attempts, 39 have been thrown in the air for 20 or more yards. That is a
rate of 23.5% with the next highest for a QB being 18.8%. He has 17
more of those attempts than any other quarterback.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/30/32-observations-week-4-3/
QBR was mentioned in the pre-game and the other stats were stuff I posted last week from ESPN Stats.
Your point is taken. But if you’re going to attribute his success with long pass plays to the number the Iggles throw, then I’ll suggest that calling all those bombs probably hurts his completion percentage and pick rate. You can’t have it both ways.
They have especially since those plays have notably lower completion rates.
It is also the personnel. This team misses really Jackson between the 20s and his ability to extend the field. Rams were playing press man a lot today and had almost no respect for the Eagles’ WRs to get deep & Foles to connect with them either.
How is Diccsean’s ability to “stretch the field’ once or twice a game helping his current team?
I know you’re trying to be optimistic, but I’d say you’re whistling past the graveyard. It’s not like this against good team. In fact, the one truly good team we played beat us. The other mediocre team had to have an unforced error for us to win. This sort of play means that eventually we start losing game after game.
Agreed with the caveat that we have the talent to be better.
Team is not playing well right now, and is still 4-1.
We’ll learn a lot on Sunday.
I’m every bit as concerned as anyone for all the obvious reasons, but the fact that our loss came in a close dog fight with S.F. IN S.F., is not something I’m particularly worked up about.
really? to who? what “good” teams are left on the schedule?
GB? their defense is as bad as ours
SEA? likely a loss, but we may have an NFL OL by then
DAL is just as flawed as we are, and has played just as many “good” teams
and Indy wasn’t exactly a bad team, in their house.
Judging by what I saw of today’s game, Dallas will always be dangerous as long as Romo’s health holds up. How they do it with 3 different play callers is very strange though.
I honestly am happy about being 4-1. I swear. Special tip of the hat to our very special,special teams. But I just wouldn’t be an iggles fan if I wasn’t worried about some stuff that’s looking like the bad kind if special. Like Nick “all of a sudden my best quality is protecting the ball isn’t who I am anymore” Foles (lol DUMB). Both our starting corners being lights out except the covering part. And if anyone can PLEASE tell me how/why FOR THE LOVE OF GOD we don’t slow shit the hell down with a big lead, for the sake of…..everything, I’m a good listener. Other than that I’m pumped.I swear!
The INT was no big deal, might as well have been a very good punt on 3rd down.
The Foles fumble was embarrassing tho. They need to teach him to slide. He didn’t need to go head first, and paid the price. Worse he is going to get rolled up with his really poor quality leg-first slides. It’s hard to watch.
The Shady fumble was also embarrassing. He needs to relax.
The defense was pretty solid, but it’s obvious that their prevent package needs a TON of work.
why ever go to prevent, i don’t really get it. our defense is porous as it, why ever take your foot off the pedal.
They call it prevent for a reason. It prevents you from winning.
Chip sounded pissed about Shady’s fumble. That was awful.
Just a word of advice for anyone (like me) who felt frustrated by a lot of things this afternoon, switch over & watch the Jets display of having offensive futility down to a SCIENCE, switch over, it’s good medicine.
geno smith and nick roles are turning the ball over at similar rates this year.
One is winning, one isn’t. It may come as a big surprise to you, but turnovers aren’t the only gauge of QB play!
One has a significantly better team around him.
It may come as a big surprise to your condescending ass that turnovers are a significantly more important indicator of QB success than wins.
The Eagles are winning despite of Nick Foles, not because of him.
The Jets are just a bad team.
Andrew Luck has more INTs than Nick. And lots of good QBs have five or four.
Indeed, the only QBs with significantly fewer INTs than Nick are Manning and Roethlesberger. And they are indeed very good! We’d be doing better if we had those guys!!!
Wow – turnovers are more important than wins? That may be true in Madden, but not in the NFL. Wins are all that matters. Please, you’re embarrassing yourself!
In terms of evaluating a QB’s performance, yes.
You probably think the pitcher with the most wins should win Cy Young as well, right?
I think the player with the most wins, has the most wins and is by definition the better player! Who cares if he has 100 TD and 0 INTs and goes 0-16 for the season? You must be one of the people that want an flashy running QB who has lots of highlights on ESPN yet keeps losing games. I recommend you start watching the Jets – they have two of them up there!
Your circular illogical arguments are ludicrous!
God you’re dumb. So so so so dumb.
What are you talking about? Nick has five picks, not great, but one fewer than Andrew Luck, Jay Cutler, and Matt Ryan.
Foles’ play would be fine if we were the Jets, a ball control team with a strong defense. But since our team is built for the offense to score points It’s hard to really get behind Foles this year.
Shady should get similar blame. If the whole offense is based on Kelce and Mathis then if I’m their agent my players are getting new deals. I think CK thinks he can scheme offense with mediocre players but every game is going to get harder as you put more stuff on tape.
OFF TOPIC REMINDER!
“Homeland” resumes tonight with a double-shot on Showtime. Set your DVRs accordingly…
michael vick coming in for the jets. Geno benched
The offense is horrible. Nothing Vick can do about this either. Idzik probably should be fired. He *had* to pay for CB, WR, and didn’t really get anything other than Decker.
And Vick too a confused sack right away. Yet another reason why you cannot build a team around a running QB; they can’t read Ds and are hurt far too often.
Foles, or another pocket passer, is 100% the only way to run a team.
Vick is gunna play the 2nd half if anyone’s interested…
Just threw deep for Greg Salas. I’ll let you guess if that was complete or not.
Ha ha ya I witnessed that. Just hearing “Vick to Salas” feels like we’re in some weird & yucky alternate Andye-verse.
About 2 minutes left in the 3rd, CW gave up a completion. Was it my imagination, or was he running his mouth while the safety was trying to drag the WR down right in front of him? He was kinda skipping, and his head was waggling… I’m pretty sure he’s got a serious problem.
get Demaryius Thomas.please Howie.
Im sorry yes we is 4-1 but be honest nick foles is playing like Bobby hoying 2.0 and the denial people have about his play is even worse . Seen quarter backs get benched for this type play when is enough is enough every week same thing hope he’s better next week the denial is bad how would everyone feel if we were 1-4 time to put blame where it belongs teams are daring nick to win with his arm dam near whole defense in the box they seen film like we watch the games foles is scary and shaky in the pocket with a candy arm
I hope your not riding in the same car as “imnotsorryisaidthat”
Back away from the ledge. If you want to see poor quarterback play go back and watch Ponder vs GB, Fitzpatrick vs Dallas or Smith vs SD.
tommy is starting to sound and write like spadaro..foles has flat out stunk tommy
Go home, you’re drunk.
Agreed, flat out stunk? That’s a flat out insane comment.
Even if you subtract the ludicrous opinion, based on sentence structure alone, I’d say totally shitfaced.lmfao
I am sorry you said that.
Was getting really pissed at Shady but not just because he wasn’t going north and south. Even when he got 7 yards he would get up acting/looking pissed. That is the complete wrong attitude and something Tommy eludes to frequently, take what the defense gives you and the big runs will eventually come to you.
To be the devils advocate, I saw Casey Matthews make several plays to open the game. He shed a blocker, for what I think, was a TFL. Then he put pressure on the Ram’s qb to force a quick throw with a blitz from the edge. I also saw him tackle solidly on more than one occasion. I did not see a play where he was screwed up royally but please, correct me if I’m wrong.
So when are Billy Davis and Kendricks going to make good on “day to day” and “not serious” with the calf injury now that Meco might be hurt as well?
I remember Kendricks saying it was just a knot in his calf.. Sounds more like a partial tear as every week comes n goes
It was a hot pile of BS whatever it was. We need guys on the field. There is no possible way I can stomach a loss to the hated Giants.
Eskin said Kendricks will be back after the bye. Take that for whatever that is.
I take it as the exposure of a lie because of statements made by Kendricks and Davis after the Indy game. And I haven’t seen an apology from the team yet for that lie.
Teams don’t apologize so I could care less about that. Usually when Eskin says something, and I can’t stand the fucker, he’s pretty on point.
Eskin is often used as an official announcer of team news, so I agree with that part of your point.
I don’t expect an apology, but I do expect our reporters to badger the BS out of Davis and Kendricks to get them to admit how badly they messed up the injury projection.
I’ll be in a more forgiving mood if we get a W vs the Giants and their scum fans.
I know he doesn’t create a whole lot if buzz I guess you’d say, but holy hell, Phillip Rivers is pretty damned good.
But he doesn’t run at all. Isn’t that what we needed to have a good QB in the NFL?
COOPER CAUGHT A DAMN TD BY THE WAY!!!!! and he did in with a nice jump ball that Nicky Flash threw to him. Very well done, however, he is still on my shit list, just further down.
that was a great play.
Hey! Logan Thomas is in the game against Peyton Manning!
Apparently has only one successful play, but it’s a long TD. Maybe I should stop watching this dead end Jets game…
Good to see Thomas getting some coaching on how to play QB properly. That kid was in 3 systems in 4 years or something horrible like that. Arians knows how to coach quarterbacking.
Michael Vick is proving that it’s the offense, and not Smith, especially. Putrid, now changing games.
No, Vick is proving that the Jets have two putrid QBs on their team
He best throw some INTs, drop some fumbles, and/or get sacked a few times. I need fantasy points from Denver’s D this week.
The Foles hating is getting ridiculous. He was fine today. Not great, but not terrible by any means. There are twenty teams out there who would love to have him as their QB. The biggest takeaway from today’s game on offense was the fact that at crunch time Chip Kelly wanted Daren Sproles as his back, not McCoy. People should be focused on that.
no
I keep getting the feeling that McCoy has an unpublicized injury and he’s off.
They better share that injury info and sit Shady if he can’t play the right way. The after the season injury excuse BS is crap the Flyers and Phillies pull.
2000 yard boast needs to be backed up.
They’re killing me on fantasy.
It’s getting tough to ignore. Last week, Chip said that he didn’t sub for McCoy more because it wouldn’t matter who the back was given the state of the line. but this week, on the final series, with the game on the line, it was Sproles in there.
Chip also didn’t let Foles pass on that last Birds drive on 3rd and 6. Doesn’t sound like confidence to me.
Seriously? That’s your takeaway? How about the end of the Washington game when he had Foles pass to Casey on a second down play when everyone expected them to run. Chip has plenty of confidence in Foles. It’s the commenters and reporters who don’t.
The fact is that Foles has regressed and is still regressing. If what Chip says is true and that all positions are open to competition, then Sanchez must look like sh*t in practice (the same with the 2nd string CB’s).
Yeah I was just going to say about that play? He rolled out Foles and had him pass that put the skins away, wonder if anyone asked why he didn’t do the same thing. It was the two minute warning you weren’t saving any timeouts, something should’ve been done there. Sometimes the coach has a brain fart I suppose?
might have been a packaged play
lol
I wouldn’t say fine, but I’m not looking at anything we lost and wishing we had it back. I believe things can get better with Foles, if we go to Sanchez things would be seemingly dead, but yea, not great, but fixable.
Teams don’t bench their QB at 4-1. Especially when the replacement candidate was so bad in NYC that Geno Smith won the job. Yeah Sanchez looked lights out in preseason against second teamers. Big deal.
So you’re agreeing with me? Or are you saying something subliminal that I don’t know about?
I’m agreeing with you, and also taking a jab at those on the Start Sanchez bandwagon.
lol god I hope that bandwagon doesn’t start
He was not fine. I’ve supported him all year, but we’re through game 5 and he still isn’t good enough.
Good enough for what? To be Aaron Rodgers? He’s not Aaron Rodgers, but he is the QB on a team that’s 4-1 right now. Look, at some point this year Foles is going to have to put the team on his shoulders, especially considering they have no run game, and he’ll either step up or he won’t. But for now, this is all noise.
Did he step up against SF?
What’s noise? The objective fact that he’s not playing well?
Yeh he f’ing stepped against the 9’ers. It’s not his fault Cooper dropped the winning td. Nick THREADED that ball between two defenders to hit Cooper in the hands and he dropped it. I will acknowledge Nick has struggled this year but to imply he didn’t step up against the 9’ers is asinine.
The offense didn’t score a single point!
He led us down at the end and made the game winning throw. Us not scoring points is not all on Fole’s shoulders.
you said Foles didn`t step up,now you`re sayin the offense. which is it? Gonna blame Foles for Cooper`s drop? looks like that`s what you`re doin. Stay on point, or don`t make it in the first place.
One play does not win or lose a game. They allegedly play for 60 minutes.
He threw a beautiful touchdown pass on the run to macklin against Indy to finally tie the game, then followed that up with a gorgeous pass to ertz to set up the game wining fieldgoal. He stepped up when they needed against Washington, especially after the hit. They scored 20 in the fourth quarter against Jacksonville. The SF game was not good, clearly, but stop it with your “objective fact” bs.
The same Washington that got smoked by NY? 20 against Jax after he left 40 on the board in the 1st half?
SF was the one good team they’ve played an the O didn’t put up a single point.
Too much talent on this team to get shut out.
yes he did,
cooper dropped the winning touchdown pass
that hit him in his hands.
No we wasn’t.
I can’t speak for haters, just that there is legitimate concern about Foles’ lack of accuracy on long throws, inability to see open receivers 10 or 15 yards away, and apparent inability to think and react quickly. Operative word being quickly. An offense which uses ‘tempo’ and suggests that each play could work 3 or 4 different ways MUST have a QB who can decide quickly.
Well said!
We need to get into the bye week with a win something awful!
I cannot stomach a loss to the Giants, all of the injuries to non Casey Matthews ILBs, injuries to the O-line, and garbage CB play.
Getting to 5-1 with the coaching staff getting two weeks to make the necessary adjustments to how teams are playing our current cast of skill guys on O is going to be vital.
Well here’s how I look at it. This shit we watch on the weekend is a diversion. There’s a lot of stupid and nasty shit going on in the world that’s affecting us in one way or another even if it’s not within our own family. So we’re 4-1, it’s nice that’s what we can bitch about(a win!) this week compared to how some people have it. That’s called putting shit in perspective, appreciate what ya go, not just a football team with only 1 loss in 5 games.
Can I add in that I’d like our pleasant diversion to cause every bum New Yorker to have a horrible time next weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6Tn0Ie-AQ
Great video dude! Here’s a guy I wouldn’t want in any foxhole that I’m in that’s for sure!
The only thing missing on the guy is two black eyes and some blood from his nose all over his Mark Bavaro throwback.
Wonder how long he practiced?
Coming into the season Foles mentioned that the part of his game he tried to correct the most was him holding onto the ball too long and taking too many sacks. Since the first game he has only been sacked once.
However his performances last season seemed to mask his inconsistent accuracy with the deep ball, therefore perhaps it wasn’t something that he prioritised on improving like he seems to have done with the sacks, and this has been the main problem with his performances since the Jags game as he seems to be seeing the field alot better these last few games.
I would argue that 4 of the 5 interceptions he has made this season were not due to poor decision making, although he could have had a couple today due to reckless pass attempts, but rather due to the pass innacuracy the has been consistently mentioned.
What I wanted to ask, before i meandered, was is it preferable to be a young QB with accuracy issues, or a young QB with decision making issues, although many would argue Foles suffers from both.
I would have preferred that Maclin get called for OPI rather than allowing that ball to be picked off, but it doesn’t mitigate how bad that throw was.
Maclin and Cooper are an odd pair. Cooper always jumps to catch a ball when he doesn’t need to, Maclin doesn’t jump when he should. And apparently only one of them can be any good at the same time.
Truth.
Does anyone think it’s time to put Coop at the three spot damned the contract? The other guy seems like he could do the job. Sorry I said other guy, his name slipped my mind..oops Edit: Jordan Matthews
That’s a great analysis!
Your boy philly brown had a good day… Know how much you love him 😉
I hate the throwing off the back foot play. No matter who the QB is that shouldn’t be done. Pretty sure that’s how the game ended and we won which I’ll take since it’s their QB lol
INT today was just a poor decision and Maclin never had a step on that play. Forced a ball into tight coverage and the CB made a nice play.
KC needs to put together a drive here and beat those M-fing Niners.
Alex Smith has a chance for some revenge coming down the wire. Good shit right on fox
We need a Chiefs TD, Alex Smith pegging Harbaugh in his face with a football, and all of the KC players to talk about how the best QB on the field is their guy.
I’m with you there buddy!
My level of hatred towards San Fran due to Harbaugh and Kaep is almost at the level I hate the Giants.
Geez I agree, especially Harbaugh and his flailing arms, he’s a douche.
Hmm. With Coughlin getting up in years and Harbaugh out of favor in San Francisco, do you suppose……? Nah. Not possible, is it? That scenario could cause serious damage! If not to you, then to them!! ;~}
Arizona getting blasted is to our favor. So yes, KC coming back and beating the niners is also to our favor.
I’d like to know what adjustments Kelly has made to help our offense during this stretch where we have uncertainty on the OL….I have not seen any, we’re running the same plays with mostly the same results – mediocrity. Foles and McCoy looked quite erratic again this week, the Rams O which stinks out-scored and out-gained our unit. Without ST and our D making plays for points, we lose this game. Kelly has had several weeks now to figure out how to fix this issues yet not much has changed…we still have issues converting in the red zone, we still cannot stretch the field consistently, we still have an inaccurate QB throwing off his back foot, we still have an ineffective run game and we’re still turning over the ball too much. I hope Kelly can figure it out as our schedule gets tougher in the 2nd half…
I think the whole O is confused as to how to work around the lack of O-line and lack of open underneath routes due to not having a constantly deep safety.
I have a demand they work through it and win next week week because I hate the Giants and I have faith they get it figured out during the bye week.
Ch called an awesome game todayI thought…starting with the screen to jordan to start the game…. Interesting that they played us different than what they put on tape these last few weeks, so I’m sure adjustments on the fly had to be made
I’d really like to see Shady and Sproles on the field at the same time.
CRAP
Had him and overthrew him.
He fucked that throw! Guy was open.
Let’s pretend we have the 22nd pick again – what do we have to trade to get up to #1 so we can draft Mariota? 2015 1st, 2015 2nd, 2016 1st, 2016 2nd?
I’m not a big college person knowledge wise(or nfl if you ask anyone) but I heard people talking shit on that guy yesterday.
He’s gonna be a star. Playing behind an offensive line that has had more injuries than the Eagles.
LOL you dont move the needle kid, give it a rest.. Now you figure you would write absurd shit to get attention? LOL going the tabloid route? Hahahah happy I picked this time to read one of your comments.. I needed the laugh
Keep drunkenly writing and misspelling nonsense from your parent’s basement, it’s a really good look…..
Why not just stockpile picks until you can get a guy who wants to play like NFL QB and not run, like Hackenberg.
Mariota has NFL talent. He can play from pocket, legs are a bonus.
2015: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2016: 1st, 2nd
2017: 1st.
minimum.
When you put it that way…….
Fuck.
Would you do it?
I love Mariota. But for the compensation package it would take, it doesn’t make sense. You completely kill 2.5 consecutive drafts. You would be lucky to come out of those three drafts with three or four average starters and a couple role players. It would mean being forced to sign bottom shelf free agents and hoping they pan out. Considering we need to overhaul the OL, and probably both corners, I don’t think it makes sense.
Last I looked Arizona was more or less holding there own. It appears Denver has now awoken & is housing them accordingly. This pleases the part of me that carries an unnatural hatred of the Cards & Bruce Arrogance.
Especially when he talked shit on Chip and his college offense. The offense that went on to beat his team after he talked shit.
EXACTLY.
Just saw the JJ Watt missed Romo play and I threw up on my keyboard. FUCKK!!!!!!!
Romo has done that kinda shit his entire career. I can remember games against us where the ball was snapped 10yds over his head, yet he somehow recovers it and throws it for a 40yd pass or TD.
That’s true, just wish it would stop happening!
Amen to that!
It’s because he’s a good player.
Romo is a slithery little snake.
Romo is an incredible athlete.
From September – November.
I hate to say it but the guy is good at extending plays.
To beat Eli, you gotta rush rush rush, our line has to fuck him up, we have to make the secondary moot.
Alright I got Madden 13. always stay behind cause I’m cheap, I’m going to play the Giants, it’ll def be the reason we either win or lose next week, wish me luck! See ya!!!
My son and I play Madden each week, Eagles vs. their upcoming opponent. So far, I kid you not, we’re 4-1.
SHANKTACULAR. Just saw that Alex Henery whiffed on THREE fg’s in a 3 point loss. Wow. Calvin Johnson &:Reggie Bush dinged up as well…
Matt Prater’s agent was seen celebrating with the Bills on the sideline after each of Henery’s misses.
Lol! In all seriousness though, how the hell is it that Prater is unemployed & noodle leg isn’t? I remember Prater being pretty good, what happened?
Henery got the Lions job a week ago while Prater was still suspended. McManun is $3 mil / year cheaper than Prater and kicking well, so Prater just got cut.
Henery still sucks, so Prater will be signed by Detroit on Monday I’m sure.
I’m absolutely sure you’re right. I had no clue Prater was suspended. I know Mile High makes kickers look spectacular, but I knew there had to be something out of whack there.
think theres a good chance Henry’s NFL career is over after he gets cut on monday
Steelers put up 17 points against the Jags, and their fans will celebrate a win all week
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Cowboys score 17 points let the Texans comeback on them and squeek past them in overtime and they are going to celebrate and be talked about as a great team all week..
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We score 30 plus points almost every week to a 4-1 lead, a yard away from 5-0, and I have to braise myself for a week of negative eagkes talk as if we lost this game
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SMH..only in philly
*brace
Lol. Braise: fry lightly and then stew slowly in a closed container. Snicker, snort, giggle.
I’ll agree. This team certainly has their share of warts/issues right now but they are still 4-1.
I have been really surprised though at the how good the Boys/Giants have been so far. Thought the Texans were going to pull that game out today.
Yeah, but see I feel like unless you go into the year as a veteran team that went deep in the playoffs,I feel like the first two months of the season is always about overcoming Warts,.. The good teams overcome the adversity that they are hit with every week, whether it’s slumps, injuries, locker room trouble, whatever…mthe pretenders can’t overcometh advesity..nTHEY as the season goes on the playoffs teams keep improving, and the teams who improved the the most make the playoffs, and the ones who go in the playoffs hot, have the best chance,,
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We are a young growing Team having to overcome key injuries… Don’t think it’s supposed to look pretty right now
Finding a way to win is a skill not a ton of teams have. I’m glad we’ve had it so far.
That said how happy can you be almost blowing a 24pt lead at home? After blowing a lead last week.
Ws are Ws — I love them.
I actually kind of like it… As a fan I can enjoy the win, and I get to know my players are pissed off all week instead of feeling themselves, getting ready for a Giants battle
I thought this was a game we could finally win going away — but glad to see we can duke it out.
Offensively it was step in the right direction… Good first game for Lane..run game was better, Coop was better..front 7 was awesome…special teams was great… Plenty to be happy about, but plenty to work on,.,
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Happy to see that no matter what adversity pops up, we are finding ways to hold on and win…important to see that in the growth of a young teams
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If we had these issues playing with our starting OL! I would be worried!!! But this is normal
Coop got the tough td, but he was 4, 33, 1 putting him at 150yds and a td through 5 games.
Still don’t understand why people are so down on this team. If the wheels had fallen off today and they had lost, I could understand the angst a bit more.
They have lost 1 game to a West Coast team on the road that has been nearly impossible to beat the last few years at home. Won every game they have supposed to have won and beat a solid Indy team on the road.
Even if they lose next week, the bye comes at a perfect time and allows them to regroup, make some adjustments, and get a few key players back shortly.
Because regardless of results, the Eagles have objectively played bad football, and when you do that you’re luck will eventually run out.
Fortunately, they have the talent to be a good football team. Just need the offensive line to get healthy and Nick to remember how to be a good quarterback.
Long season…
I wouldn’t say it has been ‘bad football’ especially the special teams. It has been consistently inconsistent and they have yet to put together a really good 4 quarters. Big difference.
Well said.
I also add that I didn’t think this team was really that much improved and had them at 9-7 before the season began largely due to reversion to norm on injuries (especially OL/front 7 on defense) and a bit of reversion from Foles.
I would counter that objectively we are 4-1.
Crazy ismt it? I think people are just absurd.. Offensive line effects EVERYTHING! I don’t see how people can expect FOles and shady to play at last years LEvel when they played behind the best OL in the history of this franchise… When you lose the best Center in the NFL and replace him with friggin Molk, FOles and shady are going to feel that! When you lose Mathis, the best OG in the NFL, FOles and Shady are going to feel that too…when we lost those players, our expectations needed to be recalibrated.. Instead of expecting a historic offense like last year, we go into survival mode of just trying to overcome those monster losses and find ways to win,…we are doing that.,..and we are doing it as a team, different people and units chipping in every week to help what was supposed to be an offensive team,Mein games…
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All we have to do is keep clawing, scratching, finding a way to win…and when KELCE amd Mathis come back, we should see this spectacular offense again…and that offense will be added to a tough defense and special team that was forced to grow from having to step up and cary the struggling offense…
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This is suppose to be an offensive team, and we are learning to win, even when the offense struggles….thinking this will come in HUGE come playoff time…
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We could have gone on to blow out the Rams 34-10 and everyones would be partying,,, instead players like boykin are coming off the field oissed off we let them back in it,..I don’t mind getting a win while out players have a bad taste in their mouth and a chip on their shoulder all week getting ready for the Gians… All we need to do is maintain for the next month, stay healthy and a team that will be like 8-2 will be adding the best center and guard in the NFL to it in a month,..and that boost should propel us thru DECEMBER and get us into the playoffs as one of the hottest team….and our silly fans will have been miserable every step of the way lol
It’s absurd to expect a team’s entire offensive line to stay healthy all season. Therefore it’s not unreasonable to expect your team to have a bit more quality depth so there isn’t a such a drastic drop in production when a starter or two goes down.
the 49ers had just as many OL injured in last week’s game. The offense still had no problem moving the football and being productive. Their defense was w/o many of their stars, but they still shut out our offense. There are many other teams in the same situation.
I don’t have extremely high expectations for this team. I think we’re more than capable of winning 10-12 games and winning 1 playoff game. I’m fine with that. But right now, this team is not looking at all like a team that will win in the postseason. Everyone has a right to be concerned when your starting QB has played poorly in 4 out of the 5 games this year. Everyone has a right to be concerned when your defense gives up 375 yards passing, 3 TDs, and a 105 rating (more than 20 points higher than Foles) game to a 4th string QB in your OWN house.
Yes, the loss of Mathis and Kelce hurts. But there’s no excuse for the offense to be this bad.
Dude, we did have depth, our best backüp got hurt for the year… Remember Barbre? We lost 3 starters and our top backüp, what the fuck do you expect lol?teams have their 8th and 9th OL in the game, I promise they won’t be much better than Molk and Tobin…
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And we aren’t just talking about replacing starters… We are talking about replacing the best players in the world at those positions… We were used to operating with the best center, guard and tackle playing next to each other… Your bench ain’t coming close to replicating that… Shit other teams starters can’t replicates hat level that we had, and we are now having to play without,,, the offense has to feel that loss and it will take weeks to adjust to, which we are on our way to doing because it was already better this week
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This team will make the playoffs and do some damage..unless injuries kill us
Yeah but if the OL is that important and you’re $20mm under the cap you might need to spend more.
I have a feeling chip will never let this happen again…he cafes too much about offense… Wouldn’t be surprised if we go overboard/overkill with OL depth in the future lol to the point where improving backup OL will take away from improving other areas… OL is THAT important and chip just got a reality check of the difference between college roster and a NFL roster where he can only carry 8 OL…
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Chip typically has learned from his mistakes so far, WOULDNT you say? OL is everything. You can’t overcome OL issues.. No surprise that the first time in 20 years Cowboys look decent is when they finally got an OL… No coincidence great BRADY looks like crap, or Brees is struggling (LT Armstead concussion issues), or why the great falcon offense could only put up 20(lost cEntet last week)
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OL has too much of an effect on your QB and RB… You can’t overcome bad OL play
i am surprised. center and tackle are very important but to see the offense basically get stoned 2 games in a row is crazy. its 2 guys.
But the offense didn’t get ‘stoned’ and they scored 20 pts this week.
Has it become the ridiculous expectation this offense will somehow just score 27-28+ pts every week?
So, if we have the best center, guard, and tackle in the world on our OL, how do other teams manage to produce at a higher level on offense? And what does that say about Chip, Foles, etc. if they need the world’s best 3 OL to move the ball?
The point I’m trying to make is this…Does the loss of Kelce and Mathis hurt us? Absolutely, without a doubt it hurts us. But should it be hurting our offense to this magnitude? No, absolutely not. Foles needs to step it up. Shady needs to hit the hole with more authority. Chip needs to get more creative and find ways to make the offense productive again. There are plenty of teams out there who manage to move the ball just fine with a much, much inferior line than we have.
I think I’m going to politely bow out of this conversation because I can’t level/reason with your views.
I was at the hotel last week. There was a fire alarm at 2:00 am, everyone was outside for 45 minutes. Then they pulled it again 90 minutes later, 4:00am or so. It was rough, and I can’t imagine the players got good rest.
OK Eli looked so happy & pleased with himself in his press conference that I got physically ill. We need to COMPLETELY stamp out his will to live next Sunday night. Not just win, CRUSH THEM. Reminiscent of when Trotter made him look out the ear hole of his helmet. That would do nicely. Along with a shutout. Please football gods??
I’d temper that enthusiasm. It’s going to be another UGLY game, especially if Meco is out.
Oh man believe me I’m TOTALLY aware of the reality of our situation in all facets. This is why I make a pathetic plea to the “football gods” .For this to happen, we’d need the Red Priestess & the Lord of Light. Believe me, I know.
Meco won’t be out
I would like to know if Casey Matthews had any egregious errors today. I only saw positives which was surprisingly pleasant.
Our defensive line is playing too good for Eli… He will be under crazy pressure and when that happens the INTs start flowing and Eli face comes out
Peyton is crazy. No one should even discuss him when comparing QBs. It’s crazy.
Can a ST coach win coach of the year?
None of this really matters anyway.. The schedule is set up so that our division dukes it out in December… Not a very good chance that we will have this wrapped up by December… It’s Goimg to end up that the team that beats its rivals in December will come out of this division…
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Happy that Skins are 0-2 in division playing the seahawks tomorrow.
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Next week we have the opportunity to smack around our hated rival before the much needed by, while Dallas has to play Seattle… Take care of business and we could sit alone at the top of the division next week… I’m a seahawks fan for the next 7 days lol
On another note: Brandon Graham seems to be bringing pressure fairly consistently the past couple of weeks and I only saw one obvious coverage mistake. Even that was just a matter or turning his head around, he actually had decent coverage.
He played like a beast today.. He was always around the ball…going to see a lot of him in the DGR watching tape this week. Really good game from all the linebackers..Cole, BARWIN, even Marcus had hismoments….Casey the playmaker mathews…
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But our NTs and DE’s are just young monsters….this DL is going to win us the Giants game 😉
SMH at all you haters. This place is the worst!!
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Great to see my boy Cary Williams ball out again this week!!
SEcond best CB in NFL. I don’t get all the hate! He is a big game corner who backs up his talk with GReat playz!!
As for FOles I think he is the best QB we have had in decades. St Nick will give us a SB win!!
LOL. You’re f’ing wasted.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. Cary is mediocre (which is due to inconsistency) and we need upgrades at CB.
he’s a troller
I didn’t notice the “D” at the end. Thank you.
LOL thats awesome… Want an autograph?
Yo Cuz, just last week you was talking bout how good CWill was! “Big game Corner” you said and I agreed!! I’m down with you BRo!
LOL.. I feel special.. Keep it Up and by next year Frank caliendo will be doing GEAGLE impressions on fox Pregame shows
people need to stop using allcaps when making screen names that rhyme with “eagle,” the market is flooded.
Much-maligned Matthews played a lot today and adequately. Also had a tackle on ST.
Nice to see Polk and Sproles run hard up the middle. Shady even had a few good N-S runs too, but that doesn’t seem to be his strength and reverts back to dancing and trying to bounce outside. If we’re up big, might make sense to go for those 4 yard runs to move the sticks…
Curious to see how BRADY deals with his OL issues tonight against a tough defense.
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Brees threw 3 INTs (Terron Armstead concussion last week)
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Hopefully the seahawks Arent complete pussies and beat the skins on the road tomorrow.
Better than Foles is the answer
Like the badass he his. Tom Brady knows fear is the mind killer.
WOW hear the story about EJ Manuel?
.his college coach Jimbo Fisher admitted to NFL teams during the predraft process that in his opinion EJ was just a backup QB in the NFL and he should be a 3rd round pick…. When your college coach says that, how the hell do you disregard it and draft him in round 1? Especially when you know other teams have this info so you can Prob get him in round two if you want him…
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How does Doug Marrone and the GM Survive this? Especially with new Bills owners?
Pats will win. They just won’t die.
Tom Brady is something else.
yeah the foles / brady comparisons seem silly now huh?
I really hope nobody was comparing the two…..
No one ever did.
I did. *stares at the ground and kicks up a bit of dust*
You would have killed Foles for the Amendola floater over the middle and that pass @ 2nd and 21, so maybe they do have things in common.
I will point out that 6 games changes a lot, especially when it comes to our QB. People who used to say Foles will be the next great QB are now clamoring for someone of the street or Mariotta? I acknowledge that he is not playing as well as last year for whatever reason but we are talking about a guy who has thrown 7 tds in a game and had a TD/INT ration of what 27:2? He is better than what he is playing now but maybe not quite as good as he was last year. He is young boyz, give him a bit of slack, you know? The best thing for us is for Nick to still be working his shit out and us being 4-1 right?
I think the hope is that he does work his shit out. This is kind of a prove it year for him and so far the results have been mixed.
I think there were a lot of question about Nick heading into this season and he hasn’t really answered any.
I really like Nick a lot, and hope he figures it out. He’s a good kid and deserves to be successful, but the NFL doesn’t really care about all that….
See, this is a fair statement and I agree. After all we do have 11 more games at least right?
The Mariota talk is crazy. He would be my first choice as a QB replacement if Foles struggles the rest of the way, but we would have to mortgage the future in an RG3 like deal to trade up to get him. Which means we would have to absolutely nail some late round draft picks to be able to help out the D (unlikely). And if Mariota turned out to be a bust… repeat 2012 season for the next 5 years as we recover.
I still think Foles can turn it around. I agree that he is somewhere between last year’s play and this year’s play which hopefully falls at around above-average. Kelce needs to get back asap. Foles was beginning to play really good football from the end of the Colts game through most of the Skins game until Kelce went down. Everything has stalled pretty badly since.
Funny thing about the hot QBs in the draft is that they never end up where everyone expects. All it would take is one or two scouts to question Mariota’s pro skills and he could tumble. Mariota could easily turn into a late first rounder- early second rounder with a bad pro day or a so-so finish to the season.
The real question is how ready is Chip Kelly to tell Foles that he doesn’t have faith in him?
I really think Mariota will be the top QB of the class and get drafted top 5. If he falls to the late first round I kinda think Chip takes him in a heartbeat, unless Foles is lights out by the end of the year.
Most people were saying the same things about Bridgewater last year. Manziel had detractors, but he was in that conversation too. Tajh Boyd’s name was gettng kicked around too until his combine sucked.
Once the combine starts, you have a whole new crop of qbs suddenly enter the conversation. Did anyone kmow who Jimmy Garrapolo was before the draft cycle started? Remember whenLogan Thomas became a thing?
You’re probably not wrong, I just think its worth waiting before we start guessing where guys are going without knowing the draft board.
my recap of the game http://firststopfantasy.com/nfl-teams/philadelphia-eagles/eagles-hold-off-a-late-rams-rally-to-improve-to-4-1/
Good recap. “Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher are just not getting it done.” I’m afraid that’s going to soon be a headline.
What can be fixed: Foles. The INT was like a punt. He was pretty good overall. His agent may wish he had cut a long term deal before the season.
What can’t be fixed: The comeback reveals to the league how the Eagles pass D is dependent on QB pressure. If you don’t blitz and let the DBs cover, the problem is they can’t. They have one good safety and one good CB who isn’t on the field half the time (Boykin).
nothing new was revealed. that’s funny we call deep ball inaccuracy a punt when foles does it.
That was probably Foles’ most accurate deep ball of the year haha looked like it would have hit Maclin in stride. Unfortunately, he was covered perfectly and there was no reason to throw the ball.
i’m starting to wonder if he even goes through a progression.
if you don’t love that interception then I question your football IQ.
how can you love a turnover?
Because you should judge events on the circumstances and decisions, not on the outcome.
I do it for everyone but Eli
it’s a good decision tho. Mac had a great chance at it. if he makes it you’re in the red zone. if he doesn’t they get worse field position than a punt, without the risk of a good punt return or block. stop only looking at the stat column out of context.
mac had no chance on that ball. he was perfectly covered to the inside and the ball was underthrown — again.
i’m fine with Foles’ arm i just think we should stop trying to throw downfield. Funny how the downfield game has died this year compared to last.
Wrong.
There is no possible way that Foles would know precisely how open Mac would be by the time the ball arrived. When he threw it, it looked fine.
X times out of 100, Mac makes that for a red zone possession. Y times out of 100, that’s pass interference, and makes a red zone possession. Z times out of 100, it’s intercepted and you’re in a better position than if you had punted. Or, it falls incomplete and you actually do just punt.
I’ll reiterate what I said elsewhere: If you aren’t thrilled with that INT, you don’t understand anything about football.
Seriously, people are falling all over themselves to excuse Foles’ awful play this year.
They scored 7 points off that interception. And he threw it on 1st down. We barely won the game. Foles has become a liability.
down 17-3 with 1 minute in half, Bengals get ball back after a kickoff and on first play fumble giving Pats another chance to score.
I swear, do other teams get blinded by the SB rings or something? It’s one thing to play hard and get beat but this is ridiculous.
Not surprised in the least that the Pats came out and have played as well including Brady. Just was a question if this was going to be close (Pats were +3.5 favorite).
After all the commotion this week, I do think this is Brady’s last season in NE one way or another.
I don’t agree this is it for Brady, why would you think that esp given this game tonight? He is the team.
Comments Brady has made this week and just his frustration at having the Pats continue to ignore what he wants (Welker) and not spend on the playmakers around him in the draft/FA.
Got the sense Brady feels isolated and frustrated and has seen what the Broncos have done for Manning.
pats were not the favorite. I know this because I bet on the pats to win and I’m getting better than 1:1
Just got back from Philly. Traffic to NY was hideous..
Is it just me or does this 4-1 record feel highly unsatisfactory?! I must also say that the atmosphere was a little bit dull for most part. I hate it when people don’t get up from their seats on 3rd downs to make some noise…
I’ve been saying that all morning. It’s like I know they are 4-1 but I don’t feel excited about it. Still, rather be 4-1 with hopefully help on the way (MK, Kelce and Mathis) than not.
over the long run a team’s record in games where the margin of victory is 7 points or less is around .500. eagles have played a lot of close games and have gotten a little lucky record-wise. with a boat load of injuries (we have been unlucky in this regard) hopefully we can get some people back and build a little continuity and go on a run.