Big Difference
Posted: December 8th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 349 Comments »Think about the 2 biggest games of the year.
GB 53, PHI 20
SEA 24, PHI 14
There is one thing that really sticks out to me. Those teams have a franchise QB. The Eagles don’t.
Aaron Rodgers made several really impressive throws in the 1st quarter and helped the Packers get out to a big lead. He was able to throw his guys open on some plays. When they did get open, he got them the ball. His passes were accurate. They had touch when needed and velocity when that was needed. He was great that day.
Russell Wilson was able to turn bad plays into good plays. His OL is struggling, but he kept that from being an issue. And Wilson doesn’t have top WRs, but his ability to keep plays alive gave them time to get lost down the field and that’s what happened on multiple plays. While Wilson isn’t great from the pocket his TD pass was a thing of beauty.
Mark Sanchez started both games for the Eagles. He was 26-44-346 (2 TDs, 2 INTs) and then 10-20-96 (2 TDs, 1 INT). The numbers against GB look okay, but the majority came in the 2nd half and he only led the team to 6 points in the 1st half. The numbers against Seattle pretty much speak for themselves.
Please understand that I’m not blaming Sanchez for the losses.
The point here is to understand the difference between the Eagles and the best teams in the league. Rodgers and Wilson have QB’d their teams for several years and each has won a Super Bowl. Each is physically gifted. Both players burned the Eagles as runners and passers.
Sanchez is the Eagles backup QB. We all bought into a Kurt Warnerian fantasy where Sanchez might prove to be the perfect fit for the system and our QB savior. Clearly that’s not the case. He’s proven to be a good backup. With time, I do think he’ll get better as a starter. It takes time for guys to get completely comfortable in a system. But I think he’s got a limited ceiling.
Nick Foles looked like a franchise QB last year. He struggled some this year and left us all unsure what to make of him. The best hope is that watching from the sideline has helped him to see more of what he should and shouldn’t do. Sometimes taking a step back can help a player. I do think park of Foles problem this year was that he was trying to be too perfect. That’s the worst thing a QB can do. As Jon Gruden likes to say, “You’ll never go broke if you always make a profit.” He means that you don’t need 80-yard TDs all the time. Just keep the chains moving. The 4 and 5-yard plays aren’t flashy, but they keep the offense on the field and lead to points. Mix in bigger plays when you can, but you don’t need great plays on every drive.
It would be great if Foles could get back on the field this year so we could see him in action again. If not, Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman are going to have to head into the offseason unsure about him and actively looking for QB help.
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Sanchez didn’t get a lot of help yesterday. Ertz failed to catch a pass on 3rd/long that would have extended the drive. Shady fumbled to open the 2nd half. The Eagles trailed by only 3 at that point. They could have either tied the game or taken the lead with a good drive there. The O-line didn’t have their best game of the year. I hated Kelly going for the deep ball on the one drive at midfield. The offense had some rhythm at that point. The incomplete pass took the rhythm away and the drive stalled.
Just about every offensive player had a hand in yesterday’s loss.
Sanchez can learn from the loss. There were plays that he left on the field. When you face an elite defense, you need to raise your level of play. He has to get the ball beyond the sticks on 3rd downs. The Eagles have had some luck with RAC yards in recent weeks, but that’s not going to work vs Seattle. They close to the ball quickly and are great tacklers.
Facing them should help the Eagles for when the postseason rolls around. They can study tape to see what worked and what didn’t. They can see where they must improve. I’m not exactly dying for a rematch, but I do think the Eagles would fare better now that they have seen that kind of defensive speed and they know what they’re up against.
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Yes. Talent. Everywhere.
interesting comment ..not sure exactly what you mean (cant figure it out on my own) ..
“…and when the machine breaks down, WE break down.”
Another thing that will help is the way the refs called the game. “Playoff rules” can be maddening. Seattle knows how to work within those rules, we have to learn.
They played on the edge of the rules and were rewarded. As Chip and Billy say, you have to adapt to the way the game is being called.
i heard a stat that SEA is 4-1 with vinovich last 2 years or since vinovich came back.. We’re 1-4.
It’s true…Chip was asked about it today and he confirmed it’s true and that we keep stats and detailed info on all the officiating crews…
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I don’t like to blame losses on officials, and I won’t blame yesterday on them because Sanchez still couldn’t make enough plays with his legs or arm to free up our weapons…but if we are being honest, yesterday’s ref may have been worst than the Cardnals disgrace refs… We aren’t going to beat an elite team, if refs extend all their drives giving them every tacky penalty. While overlooking everything seattle was doing wrong,… They had an offensive lineman all the way down field, this morning chip joked and said he thought he was running a post pattern, how do you not call it? If you give the Super Bowl champs every benefit of the doubt, but don’t give us any calls, probably won’t be able to overcome refs helping them sustain drives, while killing our drives
I’m as upset as any Eagles fan with this loss, but let’s just get over the ref complaints. The refs are humans, not perfect, and blow calls every game. Yes they blew the call on the Seattle lineman down the field, they also blew the PF on Trent Cole’s forearm hitting Russel Wilson in the head. I think we should focus on the plays and not the zebras.
You don’t see me blaming the game on the refs. We lose yesterday regardless… But when you are playing an elite team like that, at the very least, you hope for an even playing field and that didn’t happen..
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You know the refs were pathetic when towards the end of the game, when the game is out of reach they start giving us all these penalties to even that stat out and not make it look as slanted as it really was….
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But ATleast the refs werent the cause for us losing yesterday… But let’s not pretend the refs weremt atrocious
Eagles are miles from competing on that level. Entire Offense, including Chip shit the bed. Bad game plan, bad play calling, bad execution.
I hated that deep shot as well. Had just gotten two first downs and were moving the ball. But you need to get positive yardage on just about every play against the Seahawks and that play put us behind the 8-ball.
Plus it was thrown to Riley Cooper.
Nick doesn’t have the physical gifts that Aaron Rodgers do and Russell Wilson do, so not sure what else we need to see from him. He can get the job done, but QB clearly a position that we’re supposed to upgrade. Somehow.
Offensive line didn’t play well. We need to draft a Guard in the first 3 rounds this year.
CB / S still are problems, even if that call on Bradley Fletcher was BS. Clay Matthews was exposed this game as well.
The team isn’t ready to be elite. That’s OK. Year 2 of the Chip Era and the team has improved every year. But the facts are the facts:
2-4 versus contenders. 7-0 versus bad teams that have the following records: 7-6, 2-11, 2-11, 4-9, 3-10, 4-8, 6-7.
And that loss to the 49ers is looking worse and worse.
With all that said, no shame in losing to the Super Bowl Champions at full strength and health.
I think we should draft a G/T guy in the first round in all honesty
CB/S would be nice too. Let’s see where we pick and what’s available. We have an urgent need more in our secondary than we do our line IMO. We might be able to get a G/T in the 2nd or 3rd round as well.
OL might be more important for the overall success of this team going forward as we are a run first offensive team
Yea it would but I’m hoping Jalen Watkins really develops over the offseoson and start contributing next year. Also I like the potential first round lineman more than the potential first round dbs
I’m not confident that the Eagles are going to find a CB and S in the draft that can come in and start next year considering the Eagles will likely end up with a pick in the mid to late 20s. FA is the more likely route to finding a solution the back 4 of the defense.
There are no could safeties or corners hitting free agency this year… Name a stud safety, bet he signed a Longterm deal within the past 3 years…
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CB free agent market is pathetic this year, and I doubt we start roolies in September, so fans will probably have to endure ATleast 1 of these outside corners and maybe even Nate for ATleast the first 4-8 games next year, and that’s only if a rookie can even be ready to play by then on a team with big expectations next year
Just remember though, that loss to San Fran was when they still had a coach. Harbaugh had all but packed his bags and cleaned out his office by November 1!
At least people will stop saying that you can just put any old joe (or Mark) in Kelly’s offense and he will magically turn into a hall of famer. Personally, I’d like to see a little more of Foles before writing him off completely based on less than half a season, and he is cheap next year.
No one is writing FOles off…he is chips starting QB… Writing off FOles is just what our dumb ignorant fans and media say…. It isn’t our reality
imo they really screwed up by writing that article about moving away from foles
Who write it? NJ.com, that joke of a hack elliot Parks?Not the Eagles… By now you should know eagle media probably isn’t even right 50% of the time
shut up, faggot
yea because Foles looked so great this year
Says the only moron to ever defend the talent level of bradley Fletcher and mate allen? Excuse me, but your young player evaluation leaves much to be desired…
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When you see FOles struggle the way he did behind the quality run game and OL he enjoyed last year, then your dumb ass might actually have a point…
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Tell me again how I’m wrong and we don’t have a nasty front 7 in place…LOL hee haw hee haw!!
I also think Foles was playing more hurt than he let on and maybe more hurt than he’s used to. The dude is silly-tough, but I think he got nicked a little deeper than we realize early in the season (forget which hit it was now). The poor o-line and run game situation didn’t help of course. I think when Nick comes back healthy and busts the rust off then maybe we see what we really have.
As we both know, plenty of people have written FOles off, just like many people were saying Mark runs this system soooo much better than Nick.
Same idiots who said FOles could never play for chip because he doesn’t run fast…prisoner of the moment donkeys Never learn…unfortunately these jackass don’t understand that holes on the OL, run game, are going to effect young QBs… They saw foles play lights out last year behind an awesome OL and Run game, why wouldn’t these donkeys expect him to regress when he was playing injured from the beating he took with 3 inexperienced interior OLineman and no run game? No shit it won’t look like last year….. Hee Haw to the donkeys!, the dumb fan base that thinks it’s so smart and knows football LOL
I don’t expect FOles back until next week, but it would be so fantastic to get him back this week. I agree with T-Law that the time away could have really helped him out. As tough as he is, that beating he took early had clearly messed with him (imo) and I think the mental rest may have hit that reset button, along with the much improved line play.
I don’t even care to make excuses for his bad play, developing young QBs will be a ROLLERCOASTER ride of ups and downs… It’s not just a straight linear progression…. When you saw the best RB in the NFL last year, struggle because of the OL, why would FOles be expected to not let the OL issues effect him? He barely played 20 NFL games…
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FOles is so much better than what we saw this year, shame that so many morons don’t get it, but whatever…ATleast we can count on our coach understanding
not to argue, but in that logic couldn’t any QB play great with a great O-line and dominant running game? it matters
Agree the QB is the big difference. The D can get better with drafts/FA, etc. The question is, where will the QB come from? There are about 22 teams looking for the same thing.
GE’s quick hits:
1. I would not give Maclin top 5 WR money. He’s a good to very good No. 1, however against shutdown corners like Sherman I’d expect a bit more.
2. Fletcher Cox’ contract extension will become expensive, but rightfully so!
3. Mark Sanchez is who he always was, and I don’t think we need a bigger example of him in philly. Get well, Nick.
4. Connor Barwin should not only be voted to the Pro Bowl, but he should also be considered as an All Pro. What a beast.
5. Kendrick’s contract negotiations will be ‘fun’.
6. Merry Xmas Nate Allen, but please don’t come back next year. Thanks.
7. Happy new year Bradley Fletcher, but please don’t come back next season. Thanks.
8. Shady’s ridiculous way of carrying the football is finally catching up with him this year.
9. You gotta love Chip Kelly. We saw a new side of him on the sideline and I liked it.
10. The refs surely weren’t favoring the Eagles last night, but anyobody who thinks they were the why the Eagles lost shall watch the game again. The Seahawks dominated. Simple as that.
Maclin was fine against a shutdown corner, it wasn’t up to Mac to do more, when you face a shutdown QB, it’s up to the QB to deliver it in tighter windowns were the corner can’t get to it… Didn’t matter if it was Maclin or Demaryious Thomas out there, Sanchez wasn’t throwing sharp enough for any WR to have success against Sherm yesterday
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Just because you don’t see the results you like, it’s not always that playërs fault…. Nothing Maclin could have done yesterday without a QB with better ball placement…
With that said, Mac is an eagle for life who won’t even ask for top 5 money to stay
Let’s hope that.
My point was that Maclin does not belong in the Top 5 class of this NFL. Maybe top 10/12, but I can name you at least 5-7 players that I would rather have (if I could choose).
Who the hell ever mentioned him as a top 5 WR? He is a legit #1… Doesn’t mean he is one of the best at his positin
Nobody (I hope)! I was just saying that I wouldn’t pay him top 5 money at his position. Only God knows what his real mindset is when the contract negotiations will start…
Is the ridiculous way BEASTMODE carries the ball caught up with him too? Lol shady hasnt fumbles and all of the sudden he has fumbling problems? His fucking cousin was killed on Friday….clearly he wasn’t in the best frame of mind yesterday…. Shady does not have fumbling issues because of two fumbles… Come on man
I was not aware that his cousin died. However my I kindly ask why he was his ‘f****’ cousin?
I’m with you on this one, GE. I’ll also point out that Shady has had the habit of carrying the ball like a loaf of bread for a very long time. He’s been remarkably lucky to not have had more issues fumbling the ball. I wouldn’t say it is catching up to him, but I really wish he would tighten up the way he carries the ball.
That’s what I wanted to say. Thanks for putting my thoughts into clearer words.
Shut up. You are such a fucking loser. Just shut up. You have never said anything worth reading in your entire pathetic life.
Just stop posting you worthless piece of shit.
I will say, the refs missed at least two holding/interference plays – both of which would have been first downs even without the penalty. Of course they would have been 1st downs if they were called. And Chip was right to scream at the refs – in their 1st TD drive alone Wilson had two intentional grounding plays that weren’t called, along with the lineman 20 yards downfield before the pass that wasn’t called. And the BS PI call that gave them a 45 yard penalty.
440 – 139 total yards…
What’s your point? With the refs not making the calls I pointed out, the Eagles lost yards and the Seahawks were able to add to their total. The calls on the Seahawk’s TD drive alone would have erased almost 100 of their yards. You can reply back when you have something relevant to add.
Lol. You really have some balls. Gotta give you that. Despite me not adding anything relevant to this discussion, I think we are happy to disagree. On that note: keep crying about the refs.
Difference was 3rd down. Philly couldn’t convert all game while Seattle was solid on 3rd down conversions. 85 plays to 45 has a ton to do w/the yardage discrepancy.
This.
Great list man. The only thing I was thinking yesterday that you didn’t mention is how awesome its been having Eagles fan & “non scheme fit” Vinny Curry coming off the BENCH with 8 sacks this year. He’s got more sacks than the great Trent Cole & probably finishes with double digits as a reserve. Blows me away. Love that kid.
Thanks. And good point. I was actually not aware of his sack total for the season. That’s really darn impressive. Let’s hope the Eagles will keep Vinny. He Lives Philly!
Love the list too, GE. I disagree on Nate, not that I want him as a starter, but having seen many of disasters other people are playing at safety has given me a mild appreciation for Nate. I’d rather he was my backup but he’s still better than the attrocities playing CB for the team.
With Nate, it’s the ST problem. At the moment we have 4 Safeties on the roster, two of them can’t play Defense, they are literally on the Redskins level of playing Safety.
Nate is a excellent back-up Safety, if you look around the league (maybe even more than that, he’s better than the Cowboys or Redskins starters, f.e. – just not good enough, imho). But since he isn’t good at ST, you better let him go. Chip will always give a lot more pure STer than usual a place on the roster.
I’ve been enjoying our dominant ST as much as any Eagles fan, but I can’t be the only one who is scared to death of what happens if Allen or Jenkins is injured. As frustrating as Nate has been, he is light years better than Maragos. Maragos has no feel for zone whatsoever. Like Casey Matthews, if he’s running straight ahead, he’s a missile, but ask him to cover in space and he’s a disaster. I have no idea if Prosinsky can play, but would you want to find out against a quality QB?
I get that Nate’s frustrating and I agree that ST’s is an issue if he’s a backup, but I still think that we undervalue Nate here in Philly. Good Safety play in the NFL is the exception, not the rule.
Another game in the books, still too many Unanswered questions about Sanchez… All my fears were manifested in yesterday’s game… The OL was playing solid, backs were running hard, against a stout defense like that it was up to Sanchez to free his weapons up by keeping the ball and taking the free 6 yards the defense dared him to take all day, nor could Sanchez make enough plays down field to loosen their vice grip on our run game…
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Now the average philly fan and media dope will just conclude that Sanchez isn’t good enough, and that probabky will prove to be true, but Sanchez isnt a finished product in this system. A QB probably won’t show the best he is capable of in his 4th game in a new system, with that said, I still have serious concerns that sanchez can only be a solid back up
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Of course this city already prematurely trashed FOles and jumped on the Sanchez wagon, but unfortunately Nicks next X Ray isnt scheduled til after dallas game, not sure if he will have enough to take time before the playoffs to take over and knock the rust off in time to be sharp for the playoffs…. Fingers crossed…
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In fairness to Sanchez, Chip called an average at best game, against a defense he admitted was the best Defense he ever probabky coached against this morning (he also put widener a coach in his place but that’s a different story lol)…. I don’t know WTF chip is doing that would make him think we could beat this defense without even trying to use Sproles as a WR. Not throwing to Darrenn is frustrating……
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The reason we lost is pretty simple, we were horrible on 3rd down conversions, we may have converted two all game, to beat this team we needed to take advantage of lack of depth and wear them down with our tempo…that can’t happen if you only convert two 3rd downs in an entire game…
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These defense for the most part was pretty awesome, the offense didn’t do its part. And asked was too much of our defense yesteday..we still have issues in the secondary, but it was a good enough defensive performance to win, had the offense showed up and did its part
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Fletcher Cox and Kendrick each had 11 tackles…what a performance by most of our front 7
f in nice color!!
inspires me ask the dumb question since ive benefitted from many of your insights ..most especially your reassurances on marcus smithers ..
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ok what is a G Eagle anyway ?
regards, dh
I can understand people getting overexcited about Sanchez because this team is sooooooo close to being lights out and in the same conversation as San Fran, Seattle and Green Bay if only we had that 1 extra x-factor that could take a game over. For the best teams overall, it’s usually going to be a quarterback but sometimes it’s a defensive unit as a whole (SF). We’re actually as good as the 49ers, but I think we need to go deeper than 1 and done in the playoffs this year to be in that conversation nationally. I think people were hoping (myself included) that Sanchez got on a hot streak and at least impersonated a franchise QB for 5-6 games and took us to that next level. I’m fine with us losing these games overall, I think they prove that we are 1-2 players away from being where we really want to be. I do think that we can beat any of the teams we lost to this year if we see them again in the playoffs (even on their home turf) From easiest to most difficult; Arizona or 49ers (tie for easiest, if we show up and are focused, we win either of these no matter where we play), Seattle (very difficult, but doable, even in Seattle), Green Bay (hold out for an act of God in Lambeau, otherwise, next to impossible).
Gents,
what’s the most realistic (and hopeful) expectation to have Foles back this year?!
We’ll find out next week.
X-ray after the dallas game, next Monday I believe his x Ray is scheduled for…
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FOles can play now if we really want, we just don’t trust the collarbone to take hits yet
He plays a good game against bad defense to boost his trade value.
? Who, Foles?!
Most hopeful would be that he can return for the Giants game, which would give him two games against weak opponents to get himself reacclimated.
This assumes we actually make the playoffs at this point… If Dallas ends up winning out, then let Foles rest up for next year.
You mean Washington. Giants game closes out the season.
Then yes. That.
Prisoners of the moment are horrible after big eagle wins when everyone gets carried away bowing down to Sanchez… Even worst after a loss…. All of the sudden, we suck now…lol
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There is another month of growing and improving to do before the playoffs…by now fans should understand they aren’t seeing a maxed out team, they are seeing one that keeps growing as they gain more training and experience,4 weeks ago they weren’t as good as the defebse you saw yesterday and in dallas.l.so why would anyone think they won’t be even better in January as long as injuries dont pile up
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Losing to a team in early DECEMBER, doesn’t mean you are destined to lose to that team in January…
We still haven’t got hot yet. Once in the playoffs anything can happen.
One thing that gives me some solace about having to play Seattle and GB in the playoffs, is that they beat us, but they didn’t beat us playing at our best… Chips gameplan was horrible yesterday, and the GB game was over when Tobin gave up the sack on the first drive of the game..
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We will clearly be underdogs against those two teams, and they spanked us, but they didnt spank us playing up to our potential… I have NO clue what gave Chip the idea that he could pass enough to run the ball against that Defense without making the focal point of our passing game, Sproles and Ertz..
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Defense played awesome, they played well enough to win, but the offense didmt do its part, asked way too much of the defense, which is why seattle was able to rack up so much offense against a defense that played well enough to win…
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Bet if you ask the seahawks about our defense they would respect the hell out of it now
I agree. Lynch doesn’t put the ball on the ground that much. I can’t wait to see what this defense looks like in another year with more pieces. The front 7 is playing as well as you could ask. When MS2 gets his stuff together, we might have one of the better LB cores in the league.
Unless you’re giving the secondary whatever Seattle gives to their D it’s not going to be a pretty playoffs for us.
Nobody is saying that the Eagles suck. What a lot of people ARE saying is that you suck, because you do.
Never post again.
Sanchez is who we thought he was. A backup that can come in and win a few games and lose a few. He’s not the answer here and all the people that were calling for him to start after his performance in the pre-season (against 2nd & 3rd team scrubs who aren’t even in the league any more) have hopefully learned their lesson. Hopefully Foles can come back for at least two more games and take us into the playoffs. I’m still okay overall with the progress the team has shown in two years under Chip, rigth now they are beating the teams they are supposed to, so that’s something. But next year we will need to see much more improvement. Year 3 is the year they should start beating the “elite” teams like the Packers and ‘Hawks.
I really was scratching my head with the Sanchez love. His ceiling always was Kyle Orton, going by NFL results and not the draft scouting report. In other words, he’s a good backup QB but a bad starter. It would have been a major upset to beat GB or SEA bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Haven’t heard that comparison before. I like it.
anyone else remember Gardner having a godawful game? whenever they showed a failed play or a sack, he seemed to be a turnstile…
He did have his share of mistakes, but then he is our what, #4 choice RG?
oh yea, can’t really fault him THAT much. its pretty clear he’s been overacheiving recently.
i just hope that Dallas isn’t looking to exploit the same OL weakness.
also, what happend to Tobin?
Dallas doesn’t have he horses on defense to exploit tobin… Dallas defense is very different from seattle
All defenses are different than Seattle. That thing is something else.
Great defense, been admiring that defense for years… With that said, we are caoable of better than yesterday.
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Hopefully we get another opportunity to play them this year or next
Seattle’s D is kind of the inverse of ours. They have a great back 7 and a front 4 that can be exploited. We have a great front 7 and a back 4 that can be exploited. Obvious which works better in today’s NFL 😛
Tobin had an up and down game against the Packers and then got concussed on the final drive. Coaches went with Gardner the next week and he played well.
One thing I find frustrating are run plays against a good defense when multiple defenders are in the backfield before the RB hits the line of scrimmage. The Eagles’ offense run game seems to be feast or famine, either there are gaping holes to run through, or its a struggle to get past the LOS.
I’m not mad at the loss, but I’d thought our offense would show up better than they did. Big game this week vs. Dallas, so we need to be ready to play.
I can’t really believe we were shut down that hard. My hope is that Chip learns from these losses to GB and Seattle and makes better gameplans moving forward.
That’s the key. GB, I didn’t like the defensive gameplan. Last night I didn’t like the offense gameplan.
Sure, a better QB that Sanchez might have converted more opportunities… and I think a better QB would have made more use of the opportunities provided by the Seattle D.
But let us not forget that the officials played a very big part in Seattle sustaining their only two long drives of the game… You know, the fat guy downfield being ignored, and the rather dodgy PI call against Fletcher…
On the occasions where he was not bailed out by the officiating, Wilson did not even look that much better than Sanchez…
You mean when he was calmly picking his way through a warzone created by their bad OL and our excellent DL, throwing to a bunch of no-names on the move, he didn’t look better than Sanchez? I disagree. Wilson is a gamer and he and Chip would rule the world together if he were here.
100% agree. It’s going to be fun watching him and Luck in the coming years. Those guys are so much fun to watch.
Agreed that franchise QB i the difference and that Sanchez is a backup/limited starter in the future. That being said, it’s amazing that with a 4-3 turned 3-4 D (year 2, obviously), a questionable secondary, limited WR core and that QB situation, we’re still obviously a tier 2 team in the NFL behind Seattle, GB, NE and Den. We dominate poor teams and beat solid teams with some very questionable showings. Next step is to play with the big boys. Probably won’t happen this year, but hey once you’re in the playoffs you never know.
Things we can be VERY happy about moving forward are: Oline, Shady (despite issues this year), Sproles, Matthews, Mac if we re-sign, Cox, Logan, Graham, Curry, Kendricks… Not to mention Chip is in freakin’ year TWO as an NFL HC. I’ll take him for the next decade, please.
Would love to see us go after either a stud WR and/or DB early in the draft this year. Or QB if Chip thought the right guy was there. Foles still needs competition next year.
A younger pass rusher would be nice too depending on what we think of Smith long term.
We didn’t play well, but change 2 plays – Malcolm Jenkins dropped pick 6 and Shady’s fumble, and the score could have been a lot closer and we’d have an opportunity.
We took on the NFL’s #1 Defense with our backup QB and scored 14 pts. The 49ers only scored 3 with Kaepernick. First game of the season the Packers only scored 16 with Rodgers.
After a night’s sleep I’m less down about this loss than I was. I think I’d like to have seen Polk given a couple of runs just to see if his north/south power running might’ve had any success, because trying to outrun the Seattle D to the edge or cut back against them wasn’t working very well in the 2nd half.
Like I said yesterday already, please forget about the points for a minute. The Eagles racked up 139, I repeat, 139 total yards. In other words: they couldn’t move the ball at All.
A little disturbing. I would like to see a bit more Polk as well. We have only seen the 3 headed monster like twice.
Defo agree with this!
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“I want to see more of Polk” reminds me of “I want to see this offense with Sanchez.” I trust Chip’s staff to play the right guys at the right time.
Lol. I never wanted to see this offense with Sanchez.
We match there. Those who called for Sanchez were flat out wrong.
ftfy 🙂
Smart man!! hee Haw to the donkeys
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Look at ANDREW lucks game yesterday, he played like crap, overcame it, made enough plays to give his team a chance to win at the end…FOles does the same thing, but When Luck wins ugly, he is a big time clutch QB, who doesn’t allow his mistakes to unravel him….when FOles wins ugly, he wasn’t good enough!! Lol HEE HAW to the Donkeys!!
That brings to mind the SF game and Pooper’s drop in the endzone. Nick would have been the hero on that one.
Every game Nick lost, he gave us a chance to win at the end….. Believe me THATS a special trait you don’t often see in young inexperienced QBs that are still developing
Yesterday proved Nick has the better arm. While he hasn’t been as accurate this year, he definitely has the strength/distance.
Nick is special, and not in the “full retard” sort of way
When Luck plays like crap, he is still 10 times as good as Foles
Sorry Pal, but Luck has NEVER had the NFL HIGHs that FOles had last year. Take Lucks best NFl game, Nick probably had atleast 3 more ridiculous performances…
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God Luck is fuckin over rated…l great player, but dude hasn’t done shit yet for fools to be talking about him the way they do….you want to project how great Luck is, thats fair….. But don’t act like et Luck ever performed at the Level Nick FOles did last year….Luck has yet to ever have that Gawdy of a performance…. But Luck is clearly an amazing Talemt, better than Nick… But he hasn’t performedlike the the god people pretend he is..
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Then again, I’m sure you were running around impressed by RG3 rookie year, I wasnt… I always maintained he can’t sustain that level of play without being able to get to his second progression….I’m sure you had your Pom poms out probably talking about howRG3 was even better than Luck lol
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Pathetic how enamored everyone was with his rookie year
If there is one silver lining, yesterday made me miss Nick, who knows what he’ll look like when he comes back but whatever. going to have to send him a get well soon card.
Nothing I hate more than seeing fans defy an entire season by the most recent performance they witnessed..l drives me crazy… Such a dysfunctional way to try and analyze your team
I guess we lost to Niners ans Cardindaks cuz kAp and Cason are also franchise QBs? We lost because shit happens.. We aren’t going 16-0… As much as yesterday hurt, I had us going 12-4 this year, so the sky isn’t falling in my world just yet..
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Let’s get all the seattl venom out or our system today, after today, I won’t speak or give any more thought to yesterday’s game… I’ll watch our defenses and ST snaps again, but I’m not watching a game worth of offense again that only resulted in 80 yards passing…
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Feel the pain today, tomorrow Its all dallas for me
What do fans feel more cheated about? Ref is Cardinals loss or yesterday?
The Cards game, we had that one in the bag and out played em. Seattle outplayed us.
Dead on, Anders. No business losing the Arizona game. Seattle, we would have needed an extreme amount of luck to pull off.
Our worst fears (and Tommy mentioned this before the season began) are being realised – a team competitive enough to win 10+ games but no clear evaluation of the QB position heading into a new season.
There doesn’t seem to be an easy solution but shoring up the O-Line with a stud G in Rd2 may be the only short-term fix
I wanted to see more from Nick this season but we have him for another offseason to see what he’s got. Maybe, as Tommy suggests, this time away from the game will be good for him.
Rough. The post McNabb hangover just lingers.
For the first time I can remember, I’m really not bummed about an Eagles loss. The reason is that Seattle is so very, very good. For the record, they demolished Peyton Manning and the Broncos last year to win the Super Bowl. I know because I was in Colorado with a bunch of major Broncos fans, and I watched them fall down dead with their hearts torn open. And here come the Seahawks again. I’m ignoring Power Rankings that don’t have them as #1.
Still, the Seahawks, like all super-heroes, are not invulnerable. The Eagles are going to be in the playoffs and there’s a shot we can beat them. The Eagles are a good football team. The next three weeks will prove that as we steamroll over our Division rivals to finish 12-4. That’s a great record for a 2nd year head-coach playing his backup qb and a crappy secondary.
Here’s how the Eagles can be kryptonite the next time we play the Seahawks.
1. Special teams stay special
2. Continue to manhandle Lynch
3. Turn some of the harrassment of Wilson into sacks
4. Someone on D hold onto an interception
5. Someone on O break a big play
6. Have an officiating crew that doesn’t slow down the Eagles
The Eagles are still a top 5 team in the NFC. This is a good place to be preparing for a playoff run. This time next week, there is no reason we shouldn’t be celebrating another smackdown of the Cowboys, again on National tv.
I say, do what you need to do to get over this loss because the next month of Eagles football should be a blast.
Indy
GB
SEA
SF
AZ
Again, those are the five contenders we’ve played.
1-4.
And yeah, I’m not counting the Cowboys. I expect to win 40-3 on Sunday. That is a fraud team.
We can justify that record however we want, but the record is the record.
The OL lost their battles yesterday. DL probably one theirs but eventually got gassed because they were on the field so long.
QB + Secondary. Seahawks have a SIGNIFICANT advantage versus us on those two fronts, regardless of whether its Nick or Sanchez.
Secondary they definitely had the edge. The only reason the qb looked good was because our secondary was so bad. You flip our secondary for theirs and we win that game.
Jeez, you are setting yourself up bad if the Cowboys come to play. Remember they have a good improvising QB and a superstar receiver who will be covered by cover-your-eyes bad CBs.
1 – 4 . . . Indy game easily could have been a loss. Arizona game should have been a win. SF easily could have been a win. GB and Seattle we were outplayed badly, but we were still in the game vs. Seattle despite being outplayed. My point is we easily have gone 3 – 2 in those games or we could even be 0 – 5. I’m just glad to have a team that can compete on a week in week out basis even with the big boys. We’re still a step behind the elite, but the size of that step is shrinking. Also, remember that we were supposed to be awful last year and only in year two of a rebuild this year. I’m happy with where the team is going.
The sad part of Chip getting so much screen time yesterday yelling at the refs was simply because the Offense was never on the field. He doesn’t call the defense, so he’s got nothing to do but harass the refs.
Not our year – but I also can’t give Russell the credit you are giving him. Sure – Sanchez is not Wilson, but Wilson is sure as hell not Rodgers – Seattle is the Patriots of the NFC – cheat enough to win. They had very little offense against us other than broken plays and their big bullshit PI call.
If we switch secondaries we win that game. I don’t think it was as much Wilson as it was how shifty our secondary played.
If we switch secondaries with Seattle we will win a LOT of games. Do it!
LOL! Exactly. Do you think they do it straight up or would we have to toss in Barkley?
first 2 seasons for Pete Carroll… 7-9, 7-9 then jumped to 11-5 and then 13-3 Superbowl… it takes time to build something special and Chip is well on his way to making and even more elite team.. patience posters… Patience..
The expectations for this team are incredible. They go from 4-12, to 10-6, and will probably end this season 12-4 or 11-5, and we are upset!
I agree, Chip is off to a great start. I also wonder if there isn’t a learning curve about the draft for a coach coming into the NFL from college. In college, you recruit high school boys, have them grow up during their freshman and sophomore years, then run them wild their final two years in school. There’s an enormous difference between a freshman and senior in college, physically and athletically. An early round draft pick, though, is a grown man who should be ready to step into an active role as a professional athlete. Next year, I’d really like to see our early picks contributing more.
Smith will be a factor but i agree with you 100%.. we need our 1st rounders to have some impact in year 1 … but look at Graham guy is killing it now and it took him a bit/few years to find his stride.. but it would be ideal to get some nasty beast who can start day 1 though…
Pete found his franchise QB in 2012…and he had Tavaris Jackson/Whitehurst in those first 2 seasons I think.
and Carroll lucked into Wilson, a QB he didnt even like (Carroll didnt want him, his GM did).
It seems that’s how many qbs are had, by luck. Rodgers, Wilson, Brady.
well Barkley is right there on the bench, waiting…..
I just threw up in my mouth 😛
A comment completely misguided by lack of context.
Pete Carroll started a 35 year old Matt Hasselback, Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst. Then he drafted Russel Wilson and went 11-5 and then won a Superbowl.
This team will not be 11-5 and win a Superbowl in the next two years unless they find their Russel Wilson, a la Nick Foles development or a mid-round jackpot pick.
thanks for adding that extra context to my point.. that is true, they need a QB (RG3 seems hes a completely broken man, punting footballs to himself after practice to avoid the locker room) and a CB would be great as well. but with all that said.. Chip has the better record (first 2 seasons) while using Foles, over the hill Vick, and Sanchez… i guess they are better than what Carroll started with…? and they could roll with Foles next year and get a better record than 11-5 (carrolls year 3 record with wilson)… so id say we are well on the way to Elite… just might take a few more years.. like i said..
So much for our offense being “QB friendly” right? Lol … Let’s be real, it’s obvious next years QB isn’t on the roster. This post sums up how unclear the QB situation is.
Tommy made the point that the teams we’ve losing to have their Franchise QB in place… and truth is, the Eagles do not. Plain and simple. & that is what makes those teams “elite” or “better” … Sanchez couldn’t make any plays, not even during the most desperate moments of the game. Any elite team would’ve gone for it on that 4th and 11 with four minutes left to play, but Chip punted it and said in his own words that there was no way we convert that fourth down.
Any offense can put up a fight with a good running game, but what about when the running game doesn’t show up? You gotta make plays from the QB position! And that’s been really hard to come by.. Even when Foles was at his best, he didn’t look comfortable when the running game wasn’t there. The defense played well enough for us to win the game, we just couldn’t move the ball against a quality defense, which is a huge problem.
wish they ran polk and even josh huff in the backfield!! I know he would’ve probably fumbled but like his nasty approach fighting for yards and that would have been very valuable yesterday!
..prove to sanches that its always a fight! and not bad for shady to see it also
The one Sanchez pick was similar to his bad picks for the Jets, but you can’t make too much out of one game. They were up against the top pass D with a pass rush that was breaking the Andrew Gardner gate and they didn’t establish the run well. McCoy v Lynch was a potential advantage til McCoy coughed it up. The Seahawks D is also the best at playing the hurry up because they stay on a base scheme. I’m not comparing him to Kurt Warner but against the Eagles’ other options – he IS a good fit for the system and whether he can cut down the bad picks, see the open receivers (where he could be better or worse) and running lanes better is to be determined. This is Philly but there’s no need to freak out about one game and ignore the other games (including upcoming games).
He has been unsteady in other games as well. He is fine when the going is good but folds under pressure.
He’s on the same turnover pace as Foles was in the first half of the season.
Leading two teams to conference championships suggests being clutch isn’t the issue..
That may as well have been 2 decades ago. The Jets have ruined him. The one word I wouldn’t describe Sanchez as, is clutch.
“Who is Number 1?” “You are Number 6!”
It’s also worth noting the turnovers are not slowing down. One clean game a month is not cutting it. We already have what 30 turnovers?
These turnovers are ridiculous!!!! One of the main reasons we are losing some of these big games. It is between that and the secondary imo.
last week we were signing Mathews/N. Allen to 100 million contracts and putting Sanchez in the hall of fame. Now we’re back to the worse team in the nfl. lmfao. Back to franchise QB talk? Next topic will be how the Eagles are trading up to number 1 to get Oregon’s QB. Where’s all the talk that Sanchez will be in high demand next year? Lmao!
Nope. The secondary still stinks and this team still plays like it has 3 testicles that changes sizes every week.
Matthews and Allen are backups. Not sure where you read we were signing them to 100 million dollar contract but I would bring them back as role players. Sanchez will still probably be in high demand next year. He is a qb and has shown moderate success here so far.
sarcasm son, sarcasm…
Never much cared about Seattle,heck even respected them…until last night. They’re the better team, but the dude taking the flop, the asking for a measurement when we had the first by over a foot (from the back of the ball), the guy with the hurt finger taking a seat and having a trainer run him off the field holding his hand. It was all just ridiculous, felt like a part of their game plan. Richard Sherman bringing something to Philly that we haven’t had since Dion Sanders, taunting the crowd. Not the same level of play though. Hate the Seahawks starting yesterday.
The flop was ridiculous. The ref pushed the guy, not Nate…. I can’t believe they stopped the game for that damn measurement…
I might just be mad about yesterday, but it all felt coached, like this was part of the plan.
Probably a little of both. Carrol probably had a score to settle with Chip from college days.
“What’s your deal?”
Wow, the measurement… just give them a free timeout and substitution why don’tcha?
nice level headed assessment. thanks.
1 key upgrade on either side can make a huge diiff .. thought the Seahawks MLB fast strong & nasty!
man we miss DeMeco..it was great to have one of those again!!!
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(we call them the C _ OCKS use a little fake drawl accent to make it sound the same C OCKS= sea’awcks)
maybe this helps them the rest of the way. they played against the best defense, it was obvious, and everyone else from here out is nothing compared to them. the rest of the games should feel easy. lets run the table.
and damn our defense looked tough too. real tough.
Hopefully people aren’t too down about this loss.
The refball seriously got out of hand in the first half. It’s been a while where I felt like bad officiating clearly influenced the game. How much did Bill Vinovich have riding on the Hawks to cover?
Besides that, an unlucky Shady fumble, bad Sanchez pick, and numerous bogus calls and missed calls made the game something to forget.
we got to work on moving the ball even out of rhythm. Refs are going to blow plays dead because they aren’t ready. Other teams are going to flop, ask for measurements (free timeout! expect to start seeing that every possible opportunity from here on out), etc. If we can’t keep drives alive out of rhythm, we aren’t going to be able to wear down these defenses, and our defense is going to be seeing a ton of snaps.
Proud of the defense hanging in as long as it did, but the offense needs to get used to getting the job done with these outside factors hitting our rhythm.
Will be very interesting to see if we target Brett Hundley in the draft.
Hasn’t shown the accuracy or football IQ you’d think Chip wants yet, but physical tools are out of this world, and he is supposedly a high character kid.
He has good touch on his throws. It’s asking a lot for dual-threat college QBs to catch up to their physical talents. I would say only Mariota and Wilson “gets it” right now.
Yeah I mean he throws some gorgeous balls every now and then, and then 3 straight McNabb specials straight into the furf.
But that is the type of QB we should be targeting, because we won’t be in position to take a Mariota. High upside with the need to to be developed. Should be there in late 1st.
And we can actually let him sit for a year and develop under Sanchez / Foles (though in all honesty, since this move would indicate Chip thinks Nick *isn’t* the guy, you may as well trade him and sign Sanchez to a 2-3 year deal).
Problem is the rest of the team should be in position to compete next year. Ugh.
Would be nice if Nick could figure it out so we can avoid this whole conversation, but there’s a good chance we won’t learn anything more than we already have this year.
Yup. Nick’s regression puts us back a ton. We have room for improvement everywhere. I’m not against picking a QB if he’s the BPA especially if Chip/Howie thinks that they can make it work with the guy. We arguably have bigger needs though.
BPA all the way.
I say Wilson is a lot like an early year Romo, mad scrambler, but not a guy who can win from the pocket. Difference is Wilson does not throw the bad ints.
I’ve been saying that about Wilson for a while. I will admit, he had some nice throws from the pocket, but even without All-22, I saw some deep throws that were available to him while he was in the pocket that he passed up and held onto the ball longer. He prefers to scramble and make the easier throws there.
Yesterday’s game reminded me a lot of early McNabb, who was a fantastic QB who did most of his damage by forcing the D into zone or having a spy, and then making plays by putting short zone/spy into conflict situations by threatening the run while still keeping his eyes downfield. Still not convinced that Wilson won’t follow McNabb’s career path; while he appears to have a far better attitude towards improving himself, McNabb was a better pocket passer coming out, and had the classic passer size. Regardless, like McNabb, he’s certainly more than good enough to win the SB with a dominant defense backing him up, so long as he maintains his running ability.
Does he take big hits or does he get out of bounds?
He fights for yards,
A la Rg3/Vick? If that’s the case, no way.
He’ll go out of bounds when he runs out of room but yea he doesn’t run smart too often.
He makes rolly pollies. Just like Sanchez when scrambling..
what? lol
Re-watch the last quarter and check his scramble. Instead of running/fighting for the first down, he made a rolly polly becasue he was scared.
I know exactly the play you are talking about. That was pretty weak.
No; it was the definition of wussines.
I really like Hundley and Boykin (if he declares).
Hundley has good touch, but is still a 1 read and then scramble (Vick syndrom), but he has all the tools and once he stopped trying to be a pocket passer, his play improved.
What about Petty? Seems like he has good footwork, throws it away if nothing is there, understands the read option. While he seems to have a Damon good arm he often overthrows his receivers but at least they are in a spot where only they can get them.
Hundley needs to go back to school. He’s not ready.
Thats why you take him and develop him now. Maybe he starts in his 3rd year.
He goes back to school he’s probably a top-10 pick next year.
Why can’t Seattle just be content with winning? Why do they have to rub it in after the fact?
I hope we get a chance to fix this and play them again. Maybe Kelly won’t be so timid in his play calling.
I can’t watch espn because I sent wanna Sherman’s face….. He’s good at annoying people.
they jumped up right behind the Pats on my sh$t list.
You know who my #1 is? Riley Pooper.
what?! you’ve never said that before. Throw him into the trade for Seattle’s DB’s.
That would seal it for sure!
He came out aggressive going for it on 4th down, risking 3 points in what figured to be a low scoring game and it paid. But it felt a little too much…we’re going to do what we do because that’s what we do, after that. Like running that damn sweep against a defense as fast as this. We needed to come up with like 5 misdirection plays and rotate those with the aggression and speed that Seattle’s D was playing with. I want us to get mean in our running game. So Chip, watch Dallas go into Seattle and hand them their lunch. Our O-line isn’t much worse than Dallas’. Line up under center and extend some of these drives and wear these guys out.
our RB does not run mean. Maybe that’s the difference between us and Dallas?
I think this was a type of game that Polk should have been more involved.
Shady admitted after the game he wasn’t focused. I know his cousin died this past week, so maybe that had some to do with how he was running.
Maybe he was distracted, but I just think shifty backs against a really fast D may not be the answer. I’d like to see more Polk, but I’ve been saying that for 2 years now.
I wonder if shady having so much success last year was a little bad. Once the rushing title was within reach, they never let up. Then he gets it and is like “2,000 yards next year” which is just an awful approach. And now everyone’s like “Shady’s our guy, can’t give anyone else any reps”.
I didn’t want to come out and say it, but yeah, was pretty much a disaster for both Shady and Sproles every time they went sideways.
Sanchez’ best pass is the fade left and toss his slight arch 20 yarder right over the sprinting d back with his back to the QB .. just like he did to Ertz ..
that pass seemed quite a bit underthrown.
It was. Like all of his passes (apart from the failed bomb to Coop) last night.
Seattle, in throwing passes out of bounds and being so touchy feely with their DB’s, is just doing what you can get away with. I hate it. But I can’t remember one of those throws being an intentional grounding (in another game). Carroll has clearly taken a “let’s push all the boundaries” approach to the rules. Reminds me of Belicheat that way.
But it’s wicked successful and nothing is stopping us from doing the same. Well, DB’s that can stick close enough to the WR’s to get handsy. But in theory, there is nothing stopping us.
When Wilson hands off and kind of acts like he has it, then keeps it once in awhile, can you hit him when he doesn’t have it? It seems odd to me that you can play coy like that, then keep it sometimes, but if he didn’t keep it and you hit him, it’s like 15 yards. Which just seems unfair.
One difference is that our DBs get called for PI more often.
Supposedly if the QB is not “acting like a passer” or somesuch, like you mention with faking the keep on a ZR play, he’s fair game to be blasted. Supposedly.
wow did you see this play Arians challenged and won as a fumble? No way is that a fumble.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/arizona-cardinals/0ap3000000440408/Cardinals-force-Travis-Kelce-fumble
Holy crap! Bad bad call. No way there was enough to overturn that one….
Arians shouldn’t complain about officiating for a year or two after that.
But he will and you know it.
I hope you will all root for the Cardinals the rest of the way. Let them win their division and get a first round bye. I want to get a shot at them again, much rather than playing at GB or Sea in the playoffs…
I was talking to Media Mike about this last night (on the thread). He said then Seattle might be 6 seed and in Philly for the first game, which of course stinks if we lose the first game. But I think gives you a better chance of actually making the SB.
Unless you are saying root for Seattle to not even make the playoffs, which – sure I’ll do that. Not sure how likely though.
Best case scenario right now is Detriot as 6th seed with us as 3rd seed, then face Cardinals as 2nd seed (with Seattle as 6th most likely beating the Falcons and that way Seattle and Packers square off).
That way we have the greatest chance to play in the NFCCG.
Detroit and Seattle are both the 6th? or you mean Seattle is 5? I like it.
Seattle 5th yea, that way we get Detroit and GB gets Seattle next round unless we lose to Detroit
I don’t know if best case is facing an offense with deep passing and speed threats for our D.
rather face Seattle?
Let’s face it. The Eagles will have to beat a quality team multiple times of they want to reach the SB. I just want to avoid the Pack at Lambeau though.
no.
I guess you’re right in the playoffs you have to beat good teams one way or another.
its hard since I hate those losers
Feel ya.
Chip and Howie need to take only one thing from this loss:
Offense wins games, defense wins championships.
lets get some DB help this off season.
( I don’t hate our CB’s but we need something closer to a shutdown corner)
Shutdown CBs are not easy to find. Just someone who can cover without the PIs would be ideal.
yea true. I don’t even hate fletcher at all, he does some good things. carey does too, I didn’t think that was a PI on fletcher but could’ve been.
That one call on Fletcher might not have been his fault.. But look how he has played all season hes been a real weak point.. Hes a FA after this season n there is a Seahawk CB who was showing up on D yesterday who is a FA as well.. CB Byron Maxwell.. Size n speed.. Fletcher has the size but lacks the speed
I would take anyone off of that d.
chip would too it sounds like
And what about the other 82 snaps where you never saw the CBs because they covered the receivers in their part of the field?
You focused on the 82 snaps for this game??
I would LOVE Maxwell. Wanted him last off-season already.
Me either. They do have a dearth of talent in the secondary. Allen is not a starting S in this league. If the other S is decent, Fletcher and Williams are serviceable. If not, Allen is serviceable if you can leave the CB on an island.
Name me 64 safeties better than Allen.
I’ll wait.
While I understand where you’re coming from, me personally would not be happy with the 63rd best Safety in this league.
Nate Allen is certainly a likeable guy and average S, however the Eagles will have to upgrade his spot. No doubt about that.
Nate is really more like 40th best safety in the league. Also there are alot of guys who are players you would love to upgrade on and manage to start for 10 years in the league.
Due to the nature of the NFL with a hard salary cap, and a draft that creates parity, even the best teams have 5+ starters that are pretty “meh”. When there are only three or four good safeties each draft, sure the team could go find two above average safeties but the financial or draft pick expenditure would leave holes elsewhere.
3-4 good safeties, maybe 1-2 of them being as billed in the draft, the other 2-3 being pleasant surprises due to fit/coaching/ scouts missing something. And tons of plays who will disappoint and have a job because safety is not a position that is filled with talent. Either way, odds aren’t good. I want to poach a secondary coach from Seattle, I’m almost certain a lot of that universal excellence is coaching.
Their DB coach is a young guy who has been under Pete since 08 at USC. The big problem is Pete is the real DB guy. He’s a DB guru. It’s like poaching coaches from Belicheck, everyone thinks they can recreate the magic, no one has.
yep, hopefully it’s the same way with Chip. Wonder if Gus Bradley’s D in Jacksonville is on it’s way. Will be interesting if they play above their talent level next year.
beau allen can play safety.
So you’re saying he’s a good safety and not a liability? Even Chung is playing better than him this year. But name me some safeties that he’s better than?
If you think Chung is better you need your eyes checked. If Chung is playing better this year, it has more to do with what he is not being asked to do than how good a player he is. The most frustrating thing Nate has done this year is bite on underneath routes putting his CB’s one on one on deep routes.
I didn’t say he was a good safety. He’s an average safety. He has his faults, but lets not act like its uncle rico back there playing centerfield. I asked for you to name me 64 superior safeties because in order for him not to be starting caliber, there would have to be 64 safeties who were better than him.
Off the top of my head:
Brandon Merriweather
DJ Swearinger
Cavlin Pryor
Chris Conte
Jordan Kovacs, yes the kid who had a cup of coffee on our practice squad is currently a starting S in the NFL.
You can sit there and say a guy isn’t a starter, but the NFL has 64 starting safeties. The NFL has 64 starting safeties whether there are 25 good safeties or 325 good safeties.
So by that logic, because Kevin Kolb is better than 5-10 QBs of the 32, he should be starting in the NFL.
Just because there’s scrubs who play doesn’t mean he should be a starting safety. That’s bull donkey. Especially since he’s got a better front 7 than each guy you named. There’s no way to judge if they’d be better or worse than Allen in this defense.
Just remember back when we picked up Jenkins, no one thought he was that good by the way NO used him.
Kevin Kolb should be a starting QB in this league. You just said it yourself. Why would you intentionally play a QB worse than Kolb? That would be stupid.
Also I was a fan of the Jenkins move before it happened, feel free to go back and check my comment history, because it was a better move. His skill set more closely aligned with what we were asking him to do here, and from a simple economic standpoint he made far more sense than an injury prone BYRDDDZZZZ that everybody wanted and actually fit the scheme unlike TJ Ward.
The drop-off in talent @ QB is pretty steep after Mariota and Winston, and I’m not really liking Mariota all that much, actually.
I don’t want any parts of Winston.
@GermanEagle too:
At some point, your preferences as per character is irrelevant.
More than that, as a group, the INTs simply aren’t that bad at the college level, relative to the level of play Winston is attempting to set. Mariota having fewer INTs than Winston is about as relevant as Geno Smith or Andrew Luck having few INTs in their college careers.
I will be unsurprised if Winston is the first QB taken, tho’ Mariota could be as well.
At some point, your preferences as per character is irrelevant.
And so are yours. :p-
Mariota having fewer INTs than Winston is about as relevant as Geno Smith or Andrew Luck having few INTs in their college careers.
I beg to differ. So are you saying picks in college do not form part of any NFL scout’s assessment?
I will be unsurprised if Winston is the first QB taken, tho’ Mariota could be as well.
If that happens I will call you “Mr. QB Guru” for the rest of this board’s life.
It makes no sense. He constantly rails for the need for a physically gifted QB. Now he wants the lesser athlete who is a sociopath.
Also:
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/541052518282047490
Maybe for him that’s a feature, not a bug.
oh lets get him!
In that twitter comparison, Luck is really the only comparable. The others played in a different era from an offensive standpoint.
Just a quibble… I’m a huge Mariota fan. And being comparable to Luck is pretty good, actually.
Peyton and Rodgers both played in pretty aggressive offenses. Peyton put up those stats over 4 years, and his senior year he attempted 477 passes his senior year in 12 games. To put that in context Mariota has only attempted 372 passes this year through 13 games. Peyton also had Peerless Price.
And I hate Winston. Do not want a guy throwing for 17 picks already at the college level. Paired with his huge off-field problems he has “BUST” writen all over him already. I hope the Redskins draft him…
I may be jumping the gun, but I see more Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning in Winston.
What do you guys make of Richard Sherman’s comments that the Eagles “miss Desean [Jackson] tremendously”?
Would he have made any difference last night?
Disclaimer: this post is not about crying about cutting Desean. Thanks.
well djax had a lot of yards against them. but…. they lost too.
who knows?
Sherman is just trying to be cool sticking up for Jackson because he was let go
Sherman is sticking up for Jackson because he knows it will get his name mentioned more in the media. His branding effort is fairly sophisticated.
“Whenever you refer to me, whenever you speak to me, whenever you address me, address me as All-Pro Stanford graduate.” His degree is in communications. He knows that getting under an opponents skin causes distraction. That is the main reason for trash talking of course. Sherman was talking in the locker room after the game, not to annoy you or me, but because the Seahawks might have to play the Eagles again in the playoffs.
He’s trolling.
he would hurt us if he ever dropped the earl Thomas sitch on us .. wonder if he knows
The main way to beat the Seattle pass defense is to have an ultra fast WR get behind the behemoths at CB. TY Hilton last year is the objective example. Desean Jackson would have tilted the field, because he is more charismatically threatening than Maclin.
What B.S.
Why, thank you for the compliment!
/me collects more salty tears….
Lol, you are used to the abuse by now, yeh?
Never seen your username here before. What an intro by a newbie though…
Sherman was just trying to annoy and DISTRACT the Eagles ahead of time, because they might meet in the playoffs.
His attitude aside DJax is a threat.. Best CB in the game saying Eagles miss DJax n they werent worried about the current WRs says something.. Cooper is trash.. Maclin is more of a complete WR but DJax was a good weapon on this team
I think it’s just Sherman doing his thing. Anything he can do to get people wound up about stuff is what he will do.
we lOVE shermin! he makes it happen and bust chops with the best ..we can respect it and yup we gotta take it and we wish we had him! and wish we could have tossed a TD over his jeri curled fake dreads !!
With Sanchez at QB? No.
Can’t believe that no one mentioned that Sherman is buds with Desean and that he b!tched the Eagles out when they cut him. Not that surprising that Sherman’s still on the “you shouldn’t have cut him” train.
The whole game the offense looked slow and afraid, Chip didn’t take any shots downfield and everyone looked slow….
we could have had Earl Thomas and ended up with Brandon Graham (Graham thankfully is finally showing promise halfway into his last year of his contract! complete sarcasm). The whole time i was screaming that we could have had Earl Thomas. We passed on Earl Thomas! I gotta get out of here lol.
Wow. Are you still mad because Mommy wouldn’t let you play outside one day 15 years ago?
Wait, your Mom allowed you in the house some days? Oh, I am definitely going to have a conversation with my mother this Christmas, after kicking the kids outside.
i would have been 13 so i was my own man by then lol.
how old are you? I hope older than me, seems like it.
Earl Thomas would have been ruined by the wide 9.
Kam Chancellor however…kidding!
Let’s not pretend Seattle’s success is QB driven, though. I didn’t come out of that game with QB envy, I’ve got secondary envy.
Said the same thing below.
for the coin toss against Washington, Jeff Fisher sent out the 6 players the Rams got in the RGIII trade. That’s brilliant.
lol, I was wondering what the deal with that was. TOO funny.
He did that to stick up for his close friend Shannahan who got a raw deal in DC and was against trading all those picks for RG3
This is the most subtle and artfully done trolling I’ve ever seen in my life. Jeff Fischer is a genius.
did they all have their hands in the air ..hey don’t shoot me ..
almost as funny as the protester rocking a sign saying:
NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY FOR HIS SONS LIFE EVERY TIME HE ROBS A STORE
no need to turn my post into a political statement.
ok, ill take the caps off .. ah the rams, all about big subtle jokes and political statements .. oh someone made a trade and some coach is trying to make a funny at someone’s expense .. rgIII still a very committed player who has given everything he has for his team and the game .. the joke is on fischer if he is so smart and funny
rg3 is a good player?
in what league? what year? what game?
damn man,,, ok ill edit that also! jeez .. he’ll be good again when he is wityh US next season
see I made it “committed” ..starting to like this edit button
and if rgIII isn’t good its only because of his knee being held together by spaghetti .. jeff fisher taking credit for his massive brainiac trade because of injury ?? what a dope hisself is. injury is the super giant wild card that everyone gets hammered with sooooooon enough in this game.
true. he was injured badly and it has made a difference
I agree with the others. What an awesome move by Fisher
if those 6 Rams brainiacs had any imagination on their own … they would’ve turned around and high 5’d coach fisher and said “hey thanks for losing to the rams, your present employer, way back in 1999 for your only super bowl in your career mr funny man .. ha that makes it 20 years of coaching at 5 mill a year and you got 1 super bowl appearance; which you lost. nice job. ..who are you andy reid?..how have you been enjoying those fat paychecks for a long long lousy coaching career mr funny man ??”
http://deadspin.com/robert-griffin-iii-might-be-the-saddest-man-1668170993
For those who enjoy schaudenfraude.
always said fat andy looked like peter griffin .. next year we are all gonna be wear peter griffin III JERSIES !!!
The comments that follow are excellent.
Not playing the grammar police, but it’s ‘Schadenfreude’. 😉 You can also trust Siri auto correct on this one. 😉
who would the eagles rather have?
Sherman? Earl? or Wilson?
who would make the biggest impact on this team wining?
ps: I already know the answer…haha
Id go with Wilson
you’d be right, and so should we complain more about Nate? or the QB going forward?
because we are going to complain one way or the other
wilson biggest impact .. but can I choose Kam Chancellor ?
hits like a fukcing mule kick! 1 guy like that and the rest of our D falls in place
sure, but you’d be wrong unfortunately, although he does make an impact.
Except that he doesn’t fit schematically.
Loved seeing Bennie Logan at DE, with Beau at NT and Cox at DE for a few snaps… Went back and watched every front 7 snap, one of my favorite defensive displays in a while..up there with giants shut out. Fletcher and Kendricks had their official breakout superstar stretch of games..
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just caught Foetcher Cox live at chickies n pete…what a class act. Howie talked about what makes him special is he is just as dominant every day in practice,,.then Cox talked about how much he loves playing in this 3-4 scheme, how he ismt ashamed to admit it took him a while to get it down last year but now he loves it….Talked about how much pride he takes in shutting down the run, and how he doesn’t play for stats, he plays for his brother lining up next to him… Playing for Connar,Trent,bennie,Ced is what motivates him….
Only 23 years old, a year younger than Dallas star rookie Zack Martin who Cox completely dominated…. poor Ronald Leary is going to get his ass whooped agains on Sunday night!
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Amazing how this front 7 shuts down elite run games like Lych, and Murray with Casey Mathews playing such an important position. Props to him, he gets us lined up and he has been stout in the run game…. Kendricks has arrived as a superstar, can’t imagine how much better they will be next year, when they are a year older, especially if we stick Kendricks baby brother next to him in the middle of our front 7..extend Casey to help groom baby kendrick while we start him off as a rookie by using his speed and athleticism on 3rd down, while eventually replacing Casey to have the two kendrick boys starting at ILB..
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Vinny Curry is growing into such a stud who comes in and gives us a spark. 8 sacks in limited snaps, should have 10 sacks but two were taken away from penalties that he had nothing to do with…
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Barwin, BG, and COLE are just awesome… Eager to grow and add Marcus athleticism to that mix…
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malcolm Jenkins is playing excellent for only being im this defense playing with these players for 13 games… Next year, expect his play to take a leap in quality, like Barwin did this year from last year as he got more comfortable in his new role with his new team mates… As well as Jenkins has played, next year he should be even better,..and when we stick a similar talemt next to him, and replace Brad on the outsider with a big long athlete, we should be Elite
Bro you had some believe Eagles were gonna win n tire Seahawks out with the OL n DL play lol
DL did its job… OL shit the bed, what’s weird is the first couple drives our OL were winning their matchups, seattle didn’t change anything but after the first couple drives they buckled down, and our OL didn’t answer the bell… mathis and Kelce should be able to handle Kevin Williams..
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Look at any of your favorite chip kelly eagkes offensive performances and the common denometer every single time is OL dominating in the trenches, creating big running lanes, and giveng the QB time…
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It was also crucial that we need Sanchez to do his part freeing up the skill positions. At no point was he willing to run with the Ballard take the 6 yards they dared him to take all day, nor was he able to make sow play or two down field and back the defense up a little…QB provided absolutely NO help yesterday, and THAT Team was too good for our OL to just have an average at best game and our QB bring nothing to the table.
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When chips offense only runs 45 plays all game, 2-11 on 3rd down, can’t get any first downs to get the temoo going to wear down their lack of depth…we aren’t going to be able to beat the best teams..
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I thought we would dominate both sides of the trenches and Sanchez would run with the ball and free up our RBs… The DL did its job, OL didnt play up to its potential.
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I do take solace knowing that they didnt take our best shot and beat us… We may not beat them next time, but we are certainly capable Of better than what we threw at them yesterday.. offensively yesterday was Crap…. But I think our young Defense took another big step yesterday. We shut down BEASTMODE and Murray in back to back games…THATS to be respected…. Defensively we are making some nice strides, even tho we still lack some talemt in the backend…
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I just haven’t seen Sanchez play at the level we need from him to win in the playoffs… Even when he had good games, I warned that winning while only attempting two passes over 20 yards is not a sustainable formula for playoff success… Soon good defenses would load up on shady, not respect Sanchez and force him to try and beat us…my exact nightmare manifested itself yesteday, and Sanchez couldnt make a play with his arms or legs to back the defense off of us..combine that with our OL not having a big day, and we are left with our offense gettng it’s ass kicked…
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But if we play seattle again, I will expect our OL to do what they were supposed to do yesterday. They are capable of much better then they showed against Seattle DL..
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Wilson also had one of his better road games, he doesn’t always play at THAT level…
Yeah man tough loss when you know team didnt play the standard they know they can.. Question would you take Wilson over Sanchez n Foles?
you know.
If I’m being Fair, Luck and Wilson are the only young QBs I put ahead of FOles..
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Look at all youñg Qbs.. When most young QBs have bad games, they completely unravel, have horrible games and their team has no chance to win…. When you look at Luck,Wilson and FOles bad games, they don’t let mistakes unravel them and no matter how rough of a game they are having, they will get it together in crunch time and give your team a chance to win at the end….saints loss in playoffs, San fran loss, arizona loss, the kid got it togethe down the stretch and gave usa chance to win those games. He even outgunned Luck down the stretch…
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Like yesterday luck played like crap all day, but he got it together late in the game, led his team to a win and today everyone talks about how clutch he is… But if Luck was a 3rd round pick in Philly and just barely beat the Browns we would be talking about how he wasn’t good enough,lol we have misguidedly started to look for style BCS style points and perfect performances and blow out wins were we are never in any trouble..
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The reason Luck is better than Nick, the difference of talent is Luck can do it without having a good run game, which is really hard to do and rare for young players…Nick isnt AT THAT talent level…but if you let Nick Develop and put him in a healthy offense sorrounded by a line and a run game, he can grow into all the QB we need…
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Wilson, Isnt at Lucks level, but he is further ahead of FOles, but he should be ahead of NIck, he has two full seasons of starting experience before this year…
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Because of who our head coach is, yes I would have to take Wilson over FOles… But FOles is going to prove to belong with Luck, Wilson once they are all developed, where as guys like Kapernick, Cam, RG3 will be lucky if they are even as good as Cutlers career…
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The one young QB, I don’t know how to judge yet is Tannehill, sometimes I belive, other times I don’t see it
Of course
how do we know when a team plays well but loses? or isn’t playing well but only because the other team is better?
I mean I’ve never really heard anyone say, hey we did what we could but lost because they are better, although chip kinds said that today….
Like in your very similar comment, I’m not sure where you are seeing our OL winning on the first two drives. We had a single run that gained more than two yards, and a single pass that gained more than one yard.
Wait, you just met Cox and didn’t ask him about Dallas this week?! Cmon man…
He was doing a radio show live.. Could only really chat during commercials… The tattoo guy made him sigń his stomach so he can add cox signature to his body tattoos of the eagles..
That’s dedication.
Chip talked about not throwing to Sproles because they had Earl Thomas come down and spy him, and that’s completly understandable… But if you have Sproles occupying Earl Thomas, that takes him away from being able to defend Ertz or Shady….. Sproles only got 13 snaps or so…just having him occupy Earl Thomas I would assume would have been more valuable than to only use it 13 times…
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Look at all your favorite offensive performances these past two years from the chip kelly Eagles.. The common denometer is probably our OL firing off the ball, creating holes, bullying DL to the ground…what makes yesterday so dissapointing, is early in there game our OL came to play, we smash mouthed our way even into converting key 4th down in the redzone….so we can’t even just chalk that up to a day our OL was just flat because they were winning their matchups early in the game..seattle didn’t do anything different, but at some point they. Buckled down our OL didnt step up…. Look at our OL from the first two drives compared to any other drive….
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Seattle, could over come us shutting down their run with their QB. Sanchez was never going to carry us yesterday, if we were going to score on that defense it would have had to be the way you saw us play in the first quarter, ride our OL, and the run game, keep Sanchez on a pitch count… But The OL didn’t play well enough yesterday to beat a quality defense, and when our OL isnt kicking ass like that, it was up to sanchez to run with the ball a few times or throw over the top a few times and back that defense up…. That defense doesn’t miss tackles. You ain’t getting any YAC Yards, so if you don’t make them respect your ability to throw down field, and back them up a bit, it’s going to look like yesterday…
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Our DL did what it was supposed to do, shame our OL didn’t play its best..
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We want to play fast, wear teams down, run 80 plays…. They want to ball control and keep our offense off the field…
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If asomeone would have told us, Eagles are only going to get 45 offensive plays, you can Chalk that up as a loss every single time… We didn’t get to play our game, and THATS the only chance we will everhave to beat this defense… If they make us play their game, we will always lose….
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The key to everything is picking up first downs, so we can implement our tempo… If we go 2-11 on 3rd down, probably won’t win too many games that way….
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Really proud of this young Front 7 tho…
What do you mean by comparing our OL the first two drives compared to the rest? My recollection is the first drive was pass, pass, pass, punt and the second drive started inside their twenty, ran the ball six times, and still needed a pass to get in the end zone.
The passing game wasn’t particularly scary, but it isn’t like the runs were there for the taking and we snubbed our nose at it.
Same as KC game.
Riley Cooper in Street Fighter – Assassins Fist.. Must watch series!
It amazes me how when I ask in a hypothetical to people if they would actually consider trading five first round draft picks to get the #1 pick to draft Marcus Mariota, they say they would do it. Mariota looks like a terrific prospect and I think he’ll do well in the pros, but five number ones? Have people not learned anything from the Redskins and RG3? Do what the Seahawks did by building the team around the QB first and then get a competent QB if Foles doesn’t return to his ceiling from last year.
Five 1st round picks lol Overkill on that one.. Even two 1st round picks consecutive years be too much i reckon
I love love live Mariota in this offense and I wouldn’t be opposed to a Julio Jones type of deal but not 5 freaking 1sts
RG3 got 3 1st rounders to move up just 4 spots. To get Mariota, Eagles need to move up 20 spots. RG3 deal + extra. Simply won’t happen.
well Atlanta jumped 21 spots and didn’t give up as much
But not to number 1 and that’s where the Eagles need to jump to get Mariota. Plus, there’s probably six other teams with lower picks than the Eagles that would love to get Mariota.
I guess I just don’t think hell go one I think you guys are overrating his stock
He’s either the best or second best QB in the draft. And I’d be shocked if someone took Jameis Winston #1 with how much of an idiot that guy is. Mariota is much better than E.J. Manuel (top 2013 QB) and IMO much better than Blake Bortles (top 2014 QB). He won’t fall far, if at all.
5 first rounders? That’s outrageous. Maybe a pair of 1s and 2s and a player gets the job done.
RG3 got 3 and that was just to move up 4 spots. To get Mariota, Eagles have to move up 20. That means the RG3 deal + extra. We’re better off just getting RG3 for a 3rd/4th to be a backup who maybe unseats Foles. Plenty of QBs went on to be great for different teams and I do wonder how much of the baggage comes from the dysfunctional Redskins organization as opposed to RG3 himself.
They can package the entire draft for one player and I won’t complain, but I don’t want to see future picks traded away.
Chips response about widener was awesome. That guy should be embarrassed
what was it?
Throw the seattle defense in the group with Green Bay offense of teams I wouldn’t be mad at avoiding. next time we play seattle, they will still be a tough defense, and they will still outclass us in a few areas. coop,Mac and Jordan probably won’t have big games. Last time Sanchez played against the LOB as a Jet, he only completed 9 passes, after yesterday, why would I expect anything different? But the one area we can absolutely do better in is our Ol vs, Their DL. mathis, Kelce and even Jason Peters are better than they showed yesterday, Garner could struggle against with seattle, but the rest of our OL is capable of doing much better in their individual matchups than yesterday.
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Next time we play them, we can’t possibly get a worse REF’ed game than yesterday.
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Not only did the OL not play up to par, but shady even admitted to just not having the focus. Loss of his cousin obviously effected him. I felt bad because I know exactky how he felt, he wanted to play so bad for his cousin, but he played so bad, THATS hard to have to sleep with… Shady can do so much better than he did yesterday, the OL can do so much better than yesterday. Wilson isn’t always THAT good.
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But the problem is another week has passed and we still haven’t seen anything to give us confidence that Sanchez is capable of beating the big dogs in the playoffs, he is still growing in this pffense, but we are running out of time, we don’t have a season to grow him, and I’m not sure he is going to be good enough to carry his weight and not let teams Load up on shady for 60 minutes, he has shown NOTHING a yet that gives me confidence against a playoff defense, and I’m getting antsy not knowing if Nick will be able t takeover in time to knock the rust off
Watching the MNG the Falcons are showing why it doesn’t hurt having TWO quality WRs on the outside.
Lol I was just about to come on here say the same exact thing. Give me Julio Jones over Riley Cooper any day.
Who wouldn’t. 😉
Or Sammie Coates? #puttingyourCoateson
I really don’t want a first round wr but I’m all about Parker
He won’t be. He is a bit raw and has had some injury concerns this year. CRAZY potential though. 2nd round.
I hate watching Aaron rodgers play football.
Jealous?
Me too.
Of his gf?! Me too. (Hint: don’t forget to refresh Disqus!)
He makes everything look so easy, that’s what’s annoying.
I don’t think Rodgers will ever throw a pick at the Lambeau again. Ever.
Well, he certainly won’t throw 5 in one game.
(If you are going for the jinx, go big.)
Lol. Two great minds think alike.
So whose soul do you have to sell to get an aaron rodgers?
If it’s GEAGLE’s I’m surprised we don’t already have one.
Morgan Freeman and Jimmy K’s entire family tree.
I honestly think the Lambeau is jinxed. Maybe we need Hobbit or someone to hide the Eagles ring somewhere in the stands.
Yeah this game is over. Good thing i have eddie lacy in two leagues.
I need 14 more yards from Julio to win
Yes!
And GB might put up 60 on the falcons. Crazy. Scramble ability is widly underrated.
Looks like Colin K could be gone after end of the year — i’d consider it, if CK thinks he could coach him.
I like his attitude a lot more than RG3’s or Winston’s. I’d risk it as a competition, not coming in as the named starter.
yeah comp only. The RO would be CRAZY, he might not even half to throw the ball.
I don’t really like him but I guess it depends on his contract
You know, if we are aggressive in the offseason, we could start next year with RGIII replacing Cooper, Kap in the slot, Terelle Prior at TE, and Jamarcus Russell at guard. Think of the possibilities that would open up.
Julio Jones just might bring them back…who am I kidding.
Almost. Amazing performance.