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Posted: December 20th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 600 Comments »Horrible, horrible loss. I’ll analyze it later. Too ticked off to write something at this point.
Tempers are going to be high for the next couple of days. Please remember that we’re all Eagles fans. We can argue about the team, but let’s keep it civil, please. If you’re full of rage, go yell at the wall. Don’t take that out on other readers.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
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So who will we be drafting in the first round? Id say our biggest needs are at CB and QB.
No fits at either position.
It doesn’t matter who we draft, as long as they have the right “measurables” – just like Marcus Smith.
Asshole, who would you rather draft? Lets hear your genius opinion……… go ahead, I’ll wait.
We all know that you can judge a draft pick after 1 year in the league, so please shower us with your wisdom and intelligence.
Smith would have been great at the end of the 2nd round or start of the 3rd where he was available going into the draft.
I like the Smith pick from a talent / future standpoint, but it’s frustrating not to get any production from a first round pick at a position that would help us with increased production. If a few more QBs are sitting on their rear ends there would be a few less deep TDs completed against out DBs.
Problem is, Smith wouldn’t have been available at our second round pick (let alone the traded up 2nd pick for Matthews)– he would have been gone by the 3rd pick of Round 2.
I guess we’ll never know, but no mock had Smith in round 1.
Daniel Jeremiah:
I’ve talked to 2 GM’s in the last week that swear Smith will be gone by pick 35
Eric Galko (Optimum Scouting)
Smith was our 33rd rated prospect as an early 2nd round pick. Not a reach in my opinion. Fits the #Eagles 3-4 OLB need.
I’m a big Marcus Smith fan. Felt he was a darkhorse 1st rounder since
the Combine. Good for Smith. Loads of upside.Near elite speed-to-power
Yeah, because we all know the value of mock drafts!
They’re the best available information about who should be taken where. In any case, Smith isn’t producing like a guy drafted in the first round should be. That isn’t his fault and I hope to see him improve next year, but do you have a suggestion as to what we should use to evaluate the spot where a guy was picked other than mocks put together by people who cover the league and the draft as their job?
No, he was going at the end of round 1, or the beginning of round 2– its all over, and if you want to trust “mock drafts” rather than what actual NFL employees say, that’s on you.
Kelvin Benjamin
All anger directed at the eagles tonight. Don’t know why we were passing every down on that last drive with all 3 time outs…in situations like that I really worry about Sanchez, and when it comes into fruition like that, not a good feeling…so…draft and 2015 talk?
completely agree. no need to put the game on a QB only at that point, and especially not on Sanchez. Everyone knows he is limited. this team is a lot of fun because they keep it close while making so many mistakes in every aspect. a bit more talent and a few better decisions and things will go really well. This still feels to me like the beginning of the NFC championship runs for Reid… hopefully it will end a bit better in the next 3 or 4 years.
It’s fine. I was mentally checked out after the loss last week anyhow.
The key this offseason is to get Foles healthy, bring in some competition for him, retool our secondary and prep some depth along the OL.
Our DL is tremendous, we have a stud LB in Kendricks and a very good OLB in Barwin.
OL should be better with fewer injuries next year nothing we can do about that.
Someone needs to get fired for this one. I don’t even care who it is.
Fletcher is a top candidate…
Bill Musgrave
Agreed. Scalps must be taken.
I’m calling for billy D’s head
Anyone stubborn/stupid enough to do what he’s done with Fletcher shouldn’t be coaching high school let alone in the NFL.
All I want for Christmas is a new secondary.
all i want for xmas is an andrew luck bailout
Not real mad we suck and can not beat good teams and need to upgrade CB, WR and LB at a minimum. I personally think we need a QB because all the ones we have are good backups but not starters. Foles played terrible before hurt.
SS as well
Chip Kelly is not a good football coach.
Strong take. lol.
Leading the league in turnovers and penalties while being completely unable to motivate your team in back to back must win games are not signs of a good football coach.
Better fire Kelly and hire someone who’s done a bang up job like… Jay Gruden!
Or Mark Trestman!
Or a guy with a track record of NFL Sucess!
Like Lovie Smith!
Interesting.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj265/heinrichhuntsmoose/detail-hyperbole.gif
So much for not going after any other people posting.
That’s not a personal attack. It’s a simple comment on hyperbole. And if you disagree that the comment I was replying to is hyperbole, there is no reason for us to continue this conversation.
Then why not make it a comment on it’s own if you weren’t going after Darth personally?
He was being ridiculously over the top and hyperbolic. I was in no way profane or rude in the manner I responded to him. If pointing out the fact that he was being hyperbolic in anyway offends his or your sensibilities, well, tough. You know darn well that’s not crossing any kind of line. Feel free to send a screen cap to Tommy, I stand by my post.
I’m sure you do.
So you’re saying that leading the league in turnovers, committing a ton of penalties, and coming out completely unfocused and sloppy in back to back must win games are signs of a well coached football team? Interesting.
Chip Kelly isn’t throwing the ball.
The game plan has been pretty bad 3 weeks in a row. Wait, let me guess, Chip isn’t responsible for that either.
2-10 against teams with winning records. But wait, let me guess, winning isn’t his responsibility either….
Yeh, you’re right.
I’m just saying, at some point it is his responsibility. He is the head coach, and the team has completely fallen apart under his leadership. It’s pretty disturbing.
You think we should let him go?
I wouldn’t go that far, in only that instability won’t help the situation. But if it were me I’d need to see tangible progress next season.
But its not me, It’s Lurie, so Chipper probably gets another 3 or so years no matter what.
That’s where I’m at. If at the end of year 4 we are in the same spot, something needs to happen.
chip is not the problem.
There is a kernel of a legitimate point in what you’re saying, but you’re overreacting.
Kelly’s team has been very sloppy this season, but that’s at least as much because of the players he’s had to rely on as it is because of him. Not too many NFL seasons in which guys like Mark Sanchez, Andrew Gardner, and David Molk are prominently involved end well.
All I’m saying is that whatever your personal definition of a poorly coached team is, the eagles have demonstrated some of those traits this season. Tough to call “Kotite” Kelly a good coach when his team doesn’t perform like a well coached team. They have been outcoached and out gameplanned as much as out executed the last 3 weeks.
Factor in the risky decisions at the draft and with other personnel, and Chip has a lot of egg on his face.
And I am saying that when injuries force you to rely heavily on street level free agents at key positions, that tends to happen.
Has this season been a success? No. Will it be a major failure if the team fails to make the playoffs, as now looks likely? Yes. But that doesn’t make Kelly a bad coach. He has a long track record of being just the opposite.
That’s a far cry from “Chip Kelly is not a good football coach.”
He and Roseman picked these players and he and his coaches have coached them…how does Chip not have any responsibility? He also decided to let Jackson go and not replace him. He also chose to pass the ball 50 times tonight when McCoy & the run game was working well….50 times with Mark Sanchez, on what planet or universe does that make good sense?? None that I know of…
sanchez looked pretty good until the end.
He didn’t pick up guys like Gardner, Molk, Tobin, and Acho expecting to have to rely heavily on them. A deluge of injuries is going to hurt any team.
I am not saying he is totally blameless. Just that I think it’s necessary to grade on a bit of a curve this year because of all the injuries.
Foles wasn’t any better and was his hand picked starter!!!! Lots of teams lose an O lineman and survive. Even Peters/Johnson have regresssed
Chip isn’t out there making the wrong reads. He’s not trying to get into fights after the whistle.
As far as game plan, I would love a specific detailed breakdown on how you would have attacked the defenses differently, especially due to the fact that your QB won’t throw the ball more than 15 yards down the field, and your running game is inconsistent. (Don’t go down this path with me)
Once again to this claim of being “unfocused” how praytell does one make his team focused. Because as great as rah rah halftime speeches are in high school in the movies, grown men will laugh at you for them.
Your quote was that “Chip Kelly is not a good football coach”. The entire premise of this quote is poorly thought out. Chip Kelly makes $7million dollars a year coaching football. He has a winning record in the NFL. He could get fired tomorrow and a half dozen NFL teams, and alot of Power 5 college teams would fire their coaches to interview him. He’s at a minimum one of the top 10 or 15 football head coaches on the planet. Has he had some shortcomings in the past two years? Yea, but remember Pete Carrol and Bill Bellicheck have been fired in the NFL. A bad coach is your buddies dad who helps out on the JV team and doesn’t know how to teach linebackers their read keys. CHIP KELLY IS NOT A BAD COACH.
He’s just the leader of a bad football team, but bears no actual responsibility for the results.
And we’re back to the hyperbole comment! You might want to look up hyperbole so you understand what we’re talking about regarding your comments
Maybe if people weren’t bending over backwards to defend the coach that just led the eagles to one of the worst 3 collapses in the modern NFL (before you scream hyperbole, only 3 teams have started a season 9-3 and missed the playoffs), then hyperbole wouldn’t be necessary. I mean, i’ve never heard of head coach less responsible for the product on the field then some Eagles fans are trying to paint Chip Kotite.
I’d like to defend Chip but i can’t. He’s been awful and brought this on himself.
talent on the field and execution is the problem, not kelly
But what about nonsensical things like “heart, focus, and effort?”
Focus wasn’t a problem? Same straight it was given the penalties they had.
Cary Williams being Cary Williams after a play? The NFL’s awesome policy that if a QB is touched it’s a penalty?
It is a penalty they have called all season long and yeah that is a lack of focus on Williams part.
Thats not an focus penalty though. Players are trying to make a play and make incidental contact. They aren’t throwing haymakers at a helmet.
And my point in general is how is any of that remotely Kelly’s fault? What was he supposed to do to make Cary not be a fake tough guy? Cary has been a fake tough guy his whole career.
Begging the question: if your policy is to remove personnel which are philosophically detrimental to the team’s values, i.e. desean, why acquire and put up with one who has been a “fake tough guy” his entire career? Initial cost benefit come up positive? Playing devil’s advocate here, I very much enjoy your insight and contribution to this board.
That’s a good question. Cary Williams plays hard and will make tackles, but his stupidity and hotheadedness are clear liabilities to the team.
Honestly, I’m ok with Fletcher. Dude does his everything. His shortcomings aren’t due to a lack of effort. To me Cary Williams should have been shown the door the day after the “I’m tired from practice” nonsense. He’s a punk and a bully, anyone who pretends to be tough, and does it outside of the confines of the whistle, sickens me. Tough guys tackle running backs, he has turned into Asante in the tackling department. At least Asante would try to herd the ballcarrier out of bounds.
I think the other big difference is Desean didn’t by into the program. He wasn’t doing the things that Chip asked him to do like nutrition or proper sleep. That’s out and out blatant insubordination and is why he had to go.
Do you think both of them will be here next year? Or do you think that they’ll move on from both of them?
Cary is due some decent money next year and IMO isn’t worth it. I’ve never like him, but sometimes it’s all you have.
I don’t think Cary is back. I think depending on what happens in the draft, we could look at bringing back Fletch just to compete for depth.
Bradley Fletcher is a bad player with a good attitude. Cary Williams is a mediocre player with a bad attitude. Neither’s a guy who contributes much to a winning team.
Focus is also a non-quantifiable. And other than putting a ton of adderall in the smoothies, how does a coach make grown men be focused? A super duper awesome speech like in the movies?
No Kelly wants boys scouts he will pass up superstars that are drama have the potential to have drama and it’s dumb.
Generally agree, but at a certain “lack of execution” IS on the coaches.
Fletcher is a case in point. He’s a lousy CB, and anybody who knows anything about football knows he’s a lousy CB. At some point the question had to shift from “why did Bradley Fletcher let his man beat him deep again?” to “why does Billy Davis keep calling coverages that put Bradley Fletcher in single coverage against guys like Dez Bryant and DeSean Jackson?” It has in that case, it can in the case of some of these other issues as well. Personally I think having so much discontinuity at the two most critical offensive positions (QB and OL) is the major culprit in all the turnovers and red zone failures this year, but if those problems don’t get cleaned up it will fall on Kelly.
But again, Kelly, as the head coach who is heavily involved in choosing the players and has final say on the roster, shares blame for the talent on the field and the execution. How could the head coach being totally blameless in such a situation? Not to mention that the game plan, play calling and adjustments between and during games have been inconsistent all season and terrible since Thanksgiving’s game. Those are all things Kelly has complete control over.
oh for sure he’s not completely blameless but if we’re looking for solutions to these problems scheme would be secondary to upgrading the talent level at certain positions.
Generally agree, but at a certain “lack of execution” IS on the coaches.
Fletcher is a case in point. He’s a lousy CB, and anybody who knows anything about football knows he’s a lousy CB. At some point the question had to shift from “why did Bradley Fletcher let his man beat him deep again?” to “why does Billy Davis keep calling coverages that put Bradley Fletcher in single coverage against guys like Dez Bryant and DeSean Jackson?” It has in that case, it can in the case of some of these other issues as well. Personally I think having so much discontinuity at the two most critical offensive positions (QB and OL) is the major culprit in all the turnovers and red zone failures this year, but if those problems don’t get cleaned up it will fall on Kelly.
completely agree
Nah. He overachieved
Looks at calendar. Scratches head. It’s not Overreaction Monday yet.
If Dallas wins tomorrow I would cut both starting CB’s by the end of the day Monday. Enjoy the CFL scrubs.
Bradley Fletcher got benched… Should’ve done that a long time ago.
I made the half-joking remark in the 2nd half thread that the Chip Kelly honeymoon period is over. But its only half joking.
That loss to me falls squarely on the coaching staff and the head coach. The loss hurts in many ways but none more so than it really damages any faith in Chip’s ability to win when needed and lead this team to something greater. I think he’s brilliant but he has some flaws and those include some real issues with getting his team prepared for key games. He keeps falling short.
Very disappointed with the coaches and Chip Kelly today.
The DC is not worthy.
After watching that debacle you could say the same for the OC and the HC.
Bad coaching job all around this week, period.
Agreed snd the insistence on keeping fletcher as the starter looks even more puzzling after he forced their hand today & got benched.
I hate life right now.
Put the gun down, and back away.
I want a NEW DC please for Christmas. Not to mention a new secondary but let’s keep Malcom.
I smell something really bad. Is that the Secondary or Sanchez?
It’s Kelly, but I think your immune.
WTF did I just watch? game ending TO by Shitty Sanchez, 13 penalties for over 100 yards. Forget about how shitty our secondary is, we aren’t gonna win shit averaging 2 TO’s and 50+ yards in penalties every game.
A really bad effort.
Eagles 0-2 in division rematches.
remember “suck for luck” a couple years ago, now it’s “suck so luck-can-save-our-asses”
Doesn’t Dallas need to lose both AND the Eagles need to beat NY?
Yep
McCoy had another pedestrian day too. Now just a real question this year how the Eagles retool this offseason. Need more talent though because this team has about maxed with what they have here.
lots of work.
22 for 88 yds and a TD is an average of 4 yds/carry. That is more than fine, not his fault Chip decided to throw the ball 50 times
Start Barkley next week if the Cowboys win tomorrow. No sense in getting Foles hurt if the game doesn’t matter and I’ve seen enough from Sanchez.
Start all the young kids.
Watkins, Hart, MS III, Barkley. Let’s see what we have.
I let Barkley play with the offensive starters in the first half just to see what he can do with them. I go all backup defense. Offensive backups get in during the second half.
Works for me. Really want to see if MS III can actually play at all. Not a Barkley fan, but shouldn’t judge him only off of the emergency work he did last year.
Given the circumstances, it would make the most sense to get more film of him. Sample size is small as it stands now.
Merry Christmas? It feels like Santa Claus and all his elves shit in my stocking.
Missed the game . . . and based on the results, I’m glad I did. Only good news I’ve heard so far is that Fletcher finally got benched.
I don’t know if he did. he was on the field a lot after that came out. I’m not sure if it was the packages Davis had on the field or what, but Toast24 was out there regularly.
Just read on Birds 24/7 he was only back in on dime plays.
It was only dime plays after he got finally benched
Thank God. Now, Billy . . . KEEP HIS A$$ NAILED TO THE BENCH.
The team was lacking discipline with the type of penalties esoecially after the play was over. Offsides, a few hands to the face, stupid roughing penalty on Williams, etc
Davis should be done after today and the insistence on keeping fletcher as the starter and one on one again today was mind numbing and befuddling.
laurie hopefully will go hard for rex ryan.
I seriously doubt we see any changes. Kelly has proven as stubborn as Andy. I bet the coaching staff is exactly the same next year as it was this year.
They fuckin suck what a goddam joke
Probably will draft someone they could get in the 5th round like they did last year
Now what? After Thanksgiving I was geared up for a great football holiday season. Winning the division, maybe getting a first round bye, enjoying Christmas and the New Year then get ready for a playoff run. All of a sudden my Christmas tree looks like a big wad of shit and I want to throw it out the window .
Maybe you shouldn’t have Mark Sanchez decorations on your tree,
Feel like the Eagles mentally checked out after getting dominated by Seattle. Just haven’t had the same focus since that humbling loss.
I’m not calling out Eagles fans tonight, but whoever promises a W next time shall eat some sconces.
Whipped kelly should be the headlines tomorrow
Any coach, I don’t care who it is, will lose by giving Sanchez 50 pass attempts.
Sanchez had that brutal pick (his career Achilles) but he wasn’t the issue today. In general after the offense did what they needed to and the ol played well after a shaky early job in pass protection.
don’t forget that fumble, that counts as a TO too
They had almost 500 yards today and moved it all day long. Sanchez was asked to do to much and had a brutal to at the end.
Parkey was a bigger problem than Sanchez.
clearly injured. sad we didn’t go for it
I’m frustrated by this game, but we need to keep some things in perspective. The Eagles have some serious flaws which killed them this year, but they have some impressive talent too. The cornerbacks are a dumpster fire and IMO probably the worst starting duo in the NFL. Nate Allen is beyond awful and it’s time to say goodbye to him. Mark Sanchez folds under pressure. With that being said, though, all of those guys are likely gone next year. Foles returns as the starter and I’m not as down on him as most people are. He’s a young QB who had a mixed year and has shown serious potential to be great (go ahead, rip me for that, haters). I do want a better backup QB though. Shady has been dealing with turf toe all year and only now looks like he’s returning to form. He’ll be back next year. Matthews and Ertz both could really take off next year, and Maclin hopefully comes back. Fletcher Cox looks like an animal, and the rest of the DL looks beastly. Barwin and Kendricks both look like real linebackers. I really think in 1-2 years the Eagles could be dominant. They were never ready to be that way yet.
Not sure you’re going to find a better backup QB than Sanchez.
He’s a better option than a handful of starters out there.
Hard to find good QBs. Why we’re likely stuck with Nick.
With how much Gruden hates RG3, trade a mid-round pick for him to be the backup?
Nothing higher than a 5th plus I doubt Snyder trades with us I’d wait for him to be cut
rgiii not leaving
no doubt man, way to keep it positive and in perspective. secondary and sanchez sucked a bag of dicks today. ill give parkey some slack bc of the hammy
Yep. Also, it took Fat Andy (who really was a good coach back in the day) six years to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl. McCarthy, Carroll, Payton, etc. all took around 4 years to take their teams to the Super Bowl. Very good coaches go through rough patches along the way. It happens.
agreed
I’ll agree with German Eagle on the, “if things don’t improve markedly next season, Kelly could be gone” idea. It crossed my mind as well and, frankly, with the team checking out, I’m not sure I’d blame him.
Who exactly do you think would have done better given the circumstances Chip was dealing with? Any reason to believe they would have done better?
Not hating on Chip. Hating on Billy D a bit, and also actually worried that Chip might quit on the Eagles if he doesn’t see improvement at CB and QB next year.
Eagles have talent. Problem is the positions that they need filled aren’t easy ones to fill. Not sure if I’m more frustrated by the starting CB’s or Davis’ refusal to bench the clearly struggling Fletcher before today. QB, I like Nick, but his backpedal issues were almost Kolb like in how disturbing they were. Finding upgrades at either position will not be easy.
QB is almost impossible to upgrade. Nick at least has a decent amount of promise and I am far, far away from giving up on him. I’ve been done with Williams and Fletcher since Week 3 this year.
The problem is, re: the secondary we’re in the exact same place we were two years ago, when it was just as big a dumpster fire with Nnamdi and DRC. It’s easy to identify the problem, fixing it is what’s going to be hard.
Byron Maxwell in free agency. Take one of the Florida State cornerbacks in the draft.
Kelly said he thought the corners could stay with their receivers. WHAT IN THE PAST 14 FUCKING WEEKS GAVE YOU THAT FUCKING THOUGHT?!
AMEN
DeSean Jackson was asked about that and he called the Eagles coaches naive and that’s the way they play it.
that better be some hardcore coach speak and not what he really thinks
Kelly would never throw anyone under the proverbial bus.
Not even himself.
a semi, maybe, but not a bus
I have to imagine that’s the case. He’s not going to come out and and say “look, we all know you’re right. Our cornerbacks suck.”
Actions speak louder than words. I’m not going to read too much into Kelly not ripping his players. But I will be extremely disappointed if either Williams or Fletcher is on the team next year.
I agree to not take it out on any other posters, but this team is full of gutless pukes who don’t deserve to be earning an NFL paycheck. They bundled away their season and I demand some type of accountability. I want names named, players benched, and players cut. Nothing short of the full pound of flesh is acceptable.
FUCK YOU MEDIA MIKE. jk, love you media mike. i’m only pist at certain parts of this eagles team.
” this team is full of gutless pukes who don’t deserve to be earning an NFL paycheck”
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Kelly and Roseman chose these players. And Kelly’s kept them in the lineup.
You can’t blame the players for failing to execute a scheme that — for some of them — they’re not very good at executing.
I can blame them for a lack of attention to detail via dropped passes.
I have beef with the coaching and roster as well to be sure.
Here’s the icing to end the year. Dallas will lose to the Colts and Redskins and we will get beat in NY. Thanks for stopping by.
You are a cruel individual. You’ve probably also been an Eagles fan for awhile and know how these things go.
I’ve asked this before: did we really see progress in Kelly’s second season?
6-2 with Foles.
Seems like progress.
3-4 with Sanchez.
Doesn’t seem like so much progress.
Started 3-1 with Sanchez then the team quit. The cause of that needs to be teased out, exposed, and fixed.
Who exactly is that cause? IMO it’s lazy to just say the Eagles didn’t want to win badly enough. They were out-executed by opponents who had superior gameplans.
How did that happen then? I’d like some people (players or coaches) held to account.
Other teams saw the Eagles’ weak secondary and designed game-plans to expose them. Frankly, it’s surprising that didn’t happen sooner. You can go ahead and burn Chip Kelly at the stake if that makes you happy, but that’s how we turn into the Cleveland Browns.
I’m not in the “fire Kelly” gang at all, but I want some people called out and held to account.
Billy Davis has to be held to account. I felt like he did a good job early this year hiding our deficiencies. For the last month, the secondary, which has a been a problem all season, was exposed and Billy’s game plans exacerbated the problem instead of hiding it.
Shame we didn’t sign Glover Quin as opposed to Chung in 2013. Then we’d have Malcom and Glover……….. and way few deep balls completed of Fletcher’s head.
Fletcher would be a problem with Dawkins and Ed Reed in their prime at safety.
True, but if we have one less big catch over the top each game due to Nate Allen’s poor instincts; we’re 11-4 right now.
Noted it elsewhere, haven’t been the same team since getting stomped by Seattle.
I didn’t see quit, or lazy, or gutless that you keep mentioning. I saw a team with some fatal flaws that were exposed and, once they were, was unable to overcome them.
Turnovers are all 3 of those things in my book.
6-2 with a lot of unsustainable return TDs.
This is what regression looks like, and why the issues on Offense early in the year were so worrisome.
Here we are.
players not scheme
Exactly. Our defense and ST stepped up and carried the team when Foles was leading the league in turnovers. Looking at the record doesn’t tell the whole story.
This is why so many of us weren’t happy despite the winning record. You could see the team was just lucky. They never got it together.
Yes. But we also saw some regression. Depends what aspect of the team you are talking about.
Until a month ago, the answer was an obvious yes. Now? I have no idea, and I’m leaning towards ‘no.’
soph. slump for sure. but i’d be hard pressed to put it all on kelly at this point. small sample size filled with injuries and a really bad 2ndary.
No but everything went wrong this year as opposed to last year when we were very lucky I want no freaking excuses though for anyone’s cheap ass or anyone culture stuff I want talent
Absolutely. Last year he had the best offensive line in the league. He had a second year QB put up hall of fame numbers. He had a RB win the NFL rushing title. He had a poor defense that cost them a few games last year. The special teams were nothing to write home about.
This year, they have a chance to finish the season with the same record as last year. He lost most of his whole offensive line for half of the year. He had no running game for most of the games. He lost his starting QB halfway through the season. One QB played below his level with no Oline and no run game to help. The other QB is par for the course. He has one of the best run defenses in the league. The secondary is still the issue. He has the number 1 ST in the league.
Yeah, I think he has done better with the talent he had this year. This team fought for one another and rallied for each other earlier in the year. When they lose their leader you see what happens.
Cowboys were 4 points away from winning the division last year without their starting QB. Why everyone thought they would not compete for the division is a head scratcher.
I totally get that part of it, but they weathered all of that to get to 9-3. I get the loss to Seattle, but what made Dallas and Washington better than Dallas, Tennessee, and Carolina?
Same mistakes keep turning up. Lousy cornerbacks and lousy quarterback.
And that’s my biggest gripe. There’s no excuse that a change hasn’t been made.
and then depression set in
And here’s some crazy but not that far fetched thought: should the Eagles miss the playoffs next year again I am not sure if we see Kelly back in 2016.
I don’t think we can get worse and its not like Dallas will be getting any better so…I’d say we should make it but you never know
Depends on what exactly happens in the season. Lurie is pretty patient among NFL owners. If Chip goes 1-15, then yeah, possibly. My bet is Lurie, at least, lets Chip coach through his contract.
My fear is that Chip won’t want to stay if he realizes he’s stuck with key positions he can’t upgrade. There’s no recruiting class coming in to fill in the teams holes, and QB and CB are two of the toughest positions to upgrade.
Foles can upgrade himself by playing as well as he had before. CB can be fixed with different personnel. If that’s all it takes to get Chip to hang it up, I don’t want him here.
I agree that Foles can play better, much better if he stops his backpedal to nowhere. CB with the @!$# height restrictions might be a bigger challenge.
It’s also possible that Chip discovers the NFL is a different beast than college. Opposing coaches find weaknesses a lot faster. Also, you don’t bring in 15-20 new kids every year. You’ve got to make your draft picks count.
we have a ton of money. we’ll see what happens in the offseason.
hey lets remember really bad franchises overact. better injury luck and personnel upgrades at certain positions will help out a lot
For sure that is why any “fire Chip Kelly” talk is an overreaction, but how did we go from 3-1 with Sanchez to 3-4 with him that quickly?
regressing toward the mean. can’t win with an avg. qb that turns the ball over and a patchwork 2ndary.
I’m not much into that theory in athletic performance. We’re playing head to head vs. other teams and coaching staffs, not making statistical breakdowns of rainfall in a given climatic zone over a century.
it’s meant more as a way of saying if you play 100 games with sanchez turning the ball over and a bad 2ndary you’re more than likely going to be near .500 than a playoff team
I hear you there, but that doesn’t explain being -33 to Dallas in the space of 17 days.
great mysteries of the universe my friend. lets just hope an asteroid doesn’t hit earth tomorrow.
How about a smaller body just hit Bradley Fletcher’s house?
i’d settle just for the cities of dallas, ny, and washington
Sold, but can I let all of the people I voted for and support in Washington out of town before it hits?
i was going to say “yes, unless they are politicians x, y, and z”, but i didn’t want to start anything politically charged by accident…
I think the better point is that there aren’t any people worth clearing out of New York or Dallas.
hahahahahaa agreed
you can’t seriously put the loss 100% on sanchez. That last pick was terrible, but he had a pretty good game.
If culture beats scheme every time . . . what happened today?
Maybe A_T_G and Baloophi can weigh in with some insights on today’s game.
(With tongue firmly planted in cheek.)
Today, dysfunction trumped smoothies.
Kelly’s focus on well rounded finally came back to bite us. He wants receivers well-rounded, knowing every position, he wants players rounding in to shape, his smoothies are food rounded. Round is not the answer.
It turns out, we need corners.
that’s great stuff.
That’s just awesome. lol
Hahahahahahah!!!!
Very, very good!
Amazing!
It`s sad that you made me laugh at the Eagles` situation.
dan fouts looks like santa’s crack head younger brother
I know a big issue for me is simply the mercurial nature of this team and expectations. It’s as if I completely forgot those close wins (against “bad” teams) and was seduced by the “hollow” victories we ripped off in-a-row around mid-season. I also lost sight of the fact that we were playing a back-up QB. All of this conspired to give me a false impression of the quality of the team. This is a long of way saying “we were who they thought we were.”
I think a sober analysis (not happening tonight!) will reveal what many here were saying at the start of the season: we are in desperate need of a talent upgrade at several important positions. At times that was obviously exposed, at other times “football” just happened. It’s the joy and the sorrow of league parity.
Can we still fire everyone?
I think that’s the smartest way to address it.
Then there needs to be more scorn heaped on Howie. Somebody needs to be held to account.
Well tope 20 pick plus get to ruin Redskins pick that silver lining though :'(
From legit contender to DONE in the space of 3 weeks. Nightmare.
Yeah, totally inexplicable fall from 9-3. Seattle I get, the other stuff not so much. We’ll need some definite answers and scalps.
Can’t remember anything like this ever happening to the Eagles…
1994
I’m having Kotite flashbacks right now.
I honest to god cannot either man. And now regardless of outcome next week, I’m bracing myself for an off season of “bloom is off the rose” & “Pac-10 gimmick offense” propaganda. I’m literally sick right now.
only because you haven’t lived long enough.
. . . until now.
garth, i think that was a haiku…
Damn back to the Sixer’s for now at least I’m somewhat happy when they lose 🙁
I think they have a few guys who will be here when the team is good again.
Which team ate we talking about 😛
Ha ha. Sixers. The Eagles just need a few tweaks and some better leadership in the locker room. This choking away the season was vile, but able to be fixed.
Maybe were tanking
I’m angry when the Sixers win
You should be happy most of the time then this year.
flyboys look like shit as well. outside of giroux/voracek we’ve got no offense, umberger and lecavalier look done, got a JV blue line, and steve mason, who’s been pretty damn good this season, is fucking injured
4 future Norris candidates in the minors however. Sandhiem, Hagg, Morin, and Ghost; The 4 Norris-men of the Apocalypse!
hahhaaha nice! we do have some names coming down the pipe, hope to hell they pan out bc timonen is done with that blood clot and everyone else sucks/is replacement level. especially excited about Morin
Hexy is doing the right things with making sure we don’t dump any of this young talent. Shame we don’t have NFL contract rules in the NHL, Vinny’s lazy butt should be cut and on the street.
for sure building from within and letting young guys like read, laughton, couturier, schenn develop his how win in the long run, even though they’re struggling right now.
can’t speak to lecavalier’s work ethic, but he sure as hell can’t stay healthy
He was benched, and the Flyers broadcasters said as much on Thursday night’s game, for “not moving his feet.”
That is code for lazy.
ohhhhhhhhh, well that changes things
The problem is that Holmgren messed us up with bad defenseman contracts. And Timonen got hurt, further depleting a weak defensive core.
oh for sure holmer fucked us over big time. like clarke i loved him as a player and didn’t care for him as a GM. still mad about macdonald/streit signings.
Re: Brandon Graham
Seemed like a non-factor today.
There’s a reason the coaches have not elevated him above TCole.
Maybe we saw it today?
This is the importance of not projecting limited snaps to mean guaranteed success if increased.
Very glad you weighed in.
Yep.
See also: Vinny Curry “Pressure per Rush” statistics.
so does that increase the chance he resigns with us? any silver lining here?
I actually hope he doesn’t. The best thing for both parties would be for Brandon to move on and maximize his paycheck and abilities playing in a 43 and for the Eagles to find a better fit.
I know you don’t like Burfict. So do you think MS2 will be ready, or will we need to find a stop-gap?
Well Burfict plays ILB and is under contract til like 2018 so I’m not sure what you are asking.
I remember the article that was posted here, and the sports guy was saying that’s who the Eagles should look at.
I remember you hated the article, but you also commented that Burfict is a head case. At least that’s what I think. It may have been another LB, but it’s hazy right now.
I don’t know what’s available this offseason, I’m coming off of my last 2 finals in grad school this week and haven’t looked at that stuff.
Everyone wants changes, but I’m not quite sure what’s available to us.
Yea the article was some Bleacher report type crap where some kid who doesn’t know enough about football to know he doesn’t know football basically listed a bunch of good players who were going to be free agents (none of them made sense) but the article was from like June so half the guys had been extended anyways.
Burfict is a head case. Tommy famously remarked the only way he could have had a worse pre-draft period was if he ran the 40 with a shotgun in one hand and a 40 of malt liqour in the other.
As far as what I would like to see happen at OLB, I would like to see Graham walk, bring Cole back for the equivalent to his dead money, scour the back end of some rosters for a guy with some experience to help hedge our bets, and then draft a guy in the mid rounds (pass rusher is stupid deep this draft). Let MSII, Cole, rookie, and low budget vet battle it out for playing time opposite Barwin.
did MSII play — hopefully he comes along.
I don’t think so, I think all the shuffling has the kid a little down on himself and overwhelmed.
not surprised. they haven’t dealt with him well at all. he’s gotta see fletch get roasted daily and wonder why he can’t sniff the field.
Did you check out Jeremy Cash from Duke?
Sure didnt do himself any favors towards negotiations of his contract.
Small sample size from just today. If he started even 4 games this season, that would be a valid argument.
But…but…PFF says he’s a top 3 3-4 OLB!!
He was actually one of our best defenders today, believe it or not
I couldn’t watch the game because I’m busy finishing up finals at school, and I’m glad I missed it.
Without having done more than read the AP story, I can say that this was an epic collapse. Losing to Seattle was predictable. Losing to Dallas wasn’t great, but was understandable. Losing to Washington, quarterbacked by Colt McCoy, is inexcusable. Heads must roll.
I didn’t watch either, but I still know that RG3 played, not Colt.
way to be responsible xeynon. though rg3, not mccoy, started this game. still a game we should have won regardless
Right you are. Hopefully being at the tail end of a brutal semester of grad school excuses the occasional brain fart.
haha copy that good luck with them there fancy finals!
Every penalty that is a lapse of focus (offsides, false start, illegal motion) should cost 100 smackers to be donated to PFD. If that policy had been in place all season PFD would be opening a new house.
And ironically benefit Danny Watkins.
DW . . . he spent the day polishing his truck
I’d go with Lou Brown’s method and have dudes do push ups.
Every time one of those penalties is called, the cheerleaders remove an article of clothing. At least there would be something in it for the viewers and fans.
I suspect there’d be even more penalties if they did that. Not that I’d complain . . . much.
True, maybe penalized team’s cheerleaders remove and opposing team’s cheerleaders put something back on.
I suspect there’ll be a number of unnamed NFL GMs and coaches who’ll be telling anyone who’ll ask . . . “just a matter of time ’til defenses adjusted to Kelly.”
and they’ll be wrong. Mostly a personell issue on D along with some coaching issues there. Offense still works even if it’s not one of the very best this season.
We do have a backup QB there, not many teams win in that situation. Especially with a crappy secondary.
sanchez tosses the ball for almost 400yds.
When we play the Giants next Sunday it will be 1 month since our last win
This whole season feels Like a freaking waste
I would have rather started 6-6 and won the last 3 than faded to 9-6 from 9-3. Especially when the o-line was so banged up to start the season.
taped on the DVR to watch tonight. Followed a little online. When Chip didn’t go for it on 4th and 1 from their 30, then we missed the kick, I thought oh no. Until then I just thought we were too good to lose this game.
So what happened? who had a bad game?
and no, I won’t watch it now.
Fletcher had a bad game. Fletcher always has a bad game.
I can’t believe we can’t scheme around him better. Other teams have bad CB’s too. Sometimes I think Chi and Billy decided on day one to run the O and D that will win them a SB, even though they don’t have the personnel for it yet.
The problem is he needs the most help from a safety over the top who can read the play (rather than mis-read the QBs) eyes and get over to help as Fletcher is getting beaten. Nate Allen ain’t that dude.
Too much blame on Nate, Media Mike. Best safety in the world doesn’t get over on the fade route when the QB does a good job holding him to the middle of the field. Corner still has to at least make it tough, and Fletcher hasn’t defended a fade pass in a bout a month.
I’m not saying every pass Fletch give up, but when the ball is in the air for an hour and a half, I’d like the safety to get over there. Both long completions to Jackson had a ton of air under them.
Dawk called Late Allen out on this earlier in the week “U cannot let they’re best player beat U”
Who is skins best player????
you should watch. just have some tissues ready b/c it makes you want to cry.
fyi; just emptied my piss bottle from hunting today. it smelled like the eagles played today.
Should have left it in there and wrote 24 on it.
Today I learned people that go hunting have “piss bottles”
seriously, why can’t you piss in the woods?
I assume it has something to do with scaring off the animal you are trying to murder.
surprised this wasn’t covered in My Cousin Vinny.
ohhhh hunting for your own meat is sooooo much worst than going to the store and buying beef/pork/chicken that has gone through that shit process of mass meat production/cultivation.
treated.
sorry, wasn’t trying to start anything.
i actually don’t have anything against people that hunt deer.
i can see why my word choice could be considered poor though.
oh cool, disregard my last post then. im just still really pissed about the eagles.
nah, no sweat. my bad.
(internet bro hug)
Can I get in on that? I need all the support I can get.
((internet bro group hug))
Let me in man
(((bigger internet bro group hug)))
Let me get some left over deer scraps for my beasts dogs…
harvesting of deer is way more humane than the quality of life of beef/pigs/chickens/turkeys you buy
yeah man, can’t be peeing leaving your scent everywhere. deer smell that shit.
That was my guess! I guess its obvious in hindsight.
BLEEP YOU TOM!!!!!! I’m joking, I’m joking,…. Happy holidays man
Oh I’m just not feeling to jolly right now
Ed Rendell the football analyst………. Oy
i fucking hate that guy
A quick thought on the accusations that this team lacks “gut” or “heart” or “the Force” or any other unquantifiable quality.
Now I’ve been guilty as the next fan of making such accusations in the moment, but I think, for me, it really stems from my frustration at not being able to easily identify “the” problem. I also think when we try to boil things down to “scheme vs. culture” or “coaching vs. talent” that while that makes for great discussion, it also vastly oversimplifies what it takes to build and maintain a winning team. You need all of those things, and we’ve certainly been short at times in all of those areas. Trying to address them all at the same time is a little like trying to catch a bar of soap in a prison shower, with similar results when you miss.
If I’m able to step back for a moment from the crippling disappointment and Scotch-induced haze of this very game (or even the last three weeks), I feel like the team is doing the best that it can: building a repeatable environment where – hopefully soon – an infusion of better talent and familiarity with game-planning (for players AND coaches) will lead to better chances of success. As awful as it is to lose these games and – most likely – miss the playoffs, I think it’s helpful to think bigger. Also – per my ramblings below – I think it’s also helpful to re-evaluate your own expectations for this team. I think as the season began we all felt like 9 wins and a trip to the playoffs felt right for this team… but that was before losing half of the O-line, Nick Foles’s massive reversion to the mean and eventual injury, and the sudden need to rely on the backup QB to deliver when it counts.
At least losing teaches you something. Sometimes it’s hard to see what the lesson was in the middle of your effort but when you step back and take a look it becomes much more clear. Looking forward to next season. Chip doesn’t seem like a guy that likes to lose but does seem like a guy with the initiative to get better.
Man, I read that whole thing. Not one snarky quip? Not one backhanded compliment? Just thought out, reasoned perspective?
I feel like I don’t even know you anymore.
THAT’S how much this loss has me rattled. Though I did reference dropping the soap in a prison shower… so that’s something.
This loss is on Kelly. 0 runs on final drive? Really, put the ball in Sanchez’s hands? So much for “Genius”
hahahhahaha this is funny bc of the parody account name, but kind of true. would have like to have seen the ball in sproles/mccoy’s hands instead of only sanchez’s
Polk it in.
I am terrified with Shady on 3rd and 1. I hope he was a bit hurt all year and that he is different next year.
If the team tries to play the BS injury card without having said anything before now about injuries being the cause of Shady failing to back up his 2000 yard talk; the team should get roasted over it.
mccoy in essence isn’t a short yardage back. i think it has more to do with offensive line health/cohesion this year
He’s been better in short yardage in the past. He seems like he’s dancing more than usual this season.
true, has been trying to do too much instead of going N-S, especially early on in the season
The sad truth about Mark Sanchez is that no matter how well he’s playing, 80 snaps in a game really just becomes 80 opportunities for him to just do something awful
he had a career game except for the TOs. cbs said it at the top of the broadcast, TOs have always been his biggest downfall
Titanic had a great voyage but for that one miscue too
the lookouts were watching jack and rose make out instead of looking for icebergs?
something. I really thought Sanchez would be better for us. Despite all the injuries, when we were 9-3 I thought the OL coming back and Sanchez could play smart and we could do something. My expectations got too big.
god damn 9-3, that seems so long ago, wouldn’t it be some shit if we went 0 for the rest of the season.
Believing in the Sanchise would be your first mistake.
Same here.
i literally cried at that interception. I kept wondering why we kept throwing the ball we had so much time.
yeah i was waiting for a draw or some sort of safe swing pass misdirection play at some point.
Question: watching Mark Sanchez play QB the past Decade(NFL/college), what has ANYONE seen that would lead them to believe that he could throw the ball 53 times without turning the ball over? how can that EVER be a good idea, even against a secondary that’s worse than ours….
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I never complain about losing DESEAN. I respect chips right to build his vision.
I will NEVER complain about Chip deciding to get rid of DESEAN, but I have to say, I cant imagine how amazing of a year Jeremy Maclin could have had, if Defenses were also worried about DESEAN… I’m not going to second guess the move, but it has to be fair to ask that question…
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Bradley and Cary always struggle with short fast WRs..Boykin is in year 3, and Nolan can fill in at nickel if we need him. Why wouldn’t we include a package that has Boykin following atound fast burners like Randall Cobb and Desean? Why would you think Bradley is good enough to stick on the left side, and let the offense dictate what WR they put in front of him? NFL is about matchups, why the fuck do we allow the offense to decide which WR Bradley will defend?
Bradley ismt even bad, but he isn’t good enough to stick on a side and not worry about who lines up in front of him…why would we ever put him across from DESEAN? Only Boykin or Nolan should ever be matched up with DESEAN…
Our entire offense has taken a step back with the departure of DeSean. That’s a fact.
A) more concerned with our OL regression than losing a WR
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B) while we would probably have missed desean no matter what, we are reconfiguring the WR position, the entire WR corp will look different two years from now than it did when chip arrived. So we are judging the subtract of Desean, without seeing the complete vision, so I’m not too heated over losing Desean, until I see the complete vision for our WR corp
exactly this, and that whole thing about fooling me 25 times in a row shame in Chip and Billy. It’s freakin Dez and DeSean, it’s not hard to know who you need to worry more about.
These are great questions. The same thing happens with Fletcher, over and over. Yet, all Davis will say is, “we’re gonna stick with our guy.” Ok, I get that but do something to help him out. Move some personel around. DO SOMETHING! I know there are limitations to scheme and sliding coverage but for god sakes, we have seen the same thing happen to the poor guy over and over and over.
Both Davis and Kelly seem to fall in love with attitude over talent a bit. Fletcher has a great attitude and I’ve never questioned his effort. How they can stay blind to his deficiencies is this season’s greatest mystery.
How indeed, Mr. J.
They also keep Sconces, who has both poor attitude AND talent. Vexing.
Fletcher’s managed to make Sconces look like an all-pro by comparison most of this season. Of course, Cary did have the crucial missed tackle this game that handed Washington the final winning FG.
And a silly unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and numerous PI last week.
yeah that was crazy. biggest play of the game and you just give them 20yds.
Every rational fan knew the offense would miss Desean. Just ask Shady if he misses having Desean keep opposing team’s from crowding the box.
Desean would have been especially key since we don’t have and probably won’t have for the foreseeable future an elite QB that can make average WRs look good. It was an absolute joke that we let him walk with no compensation in return. I haven’t complained about the deal all season and I still am not complaining now. It was Chip’s decision so at the end of the day he has to live with that decision.
DeSean is a very good receiver, but saying he kept opposing defenses from crowding the box is simply false. They crowded the box with 8 defenders almost all of the time last year.
True to a degree. I like J-Mac better so it’s not like I’m a DJax stan. I just recognize the immense talent he was and how much pressure he took off others. Imagine opposing defenses trying to devise a way to shut down BOTH J-Mac and DJax??? The offense would have been far, far more potent and perhaps good enough to disguise how shitty our secondary is.
I feel like with both J-Mac and Djax the Eagles were lacking a physical WR. There talents are too similar and Djax got paid too much to be a guy who could be regularly shut down by good corners. In today’s NFL, great wideouts beat even the best corners occasionally.
What difference does it make whether he was overpaid or not? We’re under the cap by a ton. I will never understand why fans give a crap whether or not a player is overpaid as long as he produces. Djax produced, and if he’d been on the Eagles this year we’d have been a better team, period.
How much a player is paid matters because there’s a salary cap.
If Djax produces, but not at a $10 million/year rate, and is being paid at $10 million/year… that means you’re not getting good value for your money. Every dollar over he’s paid over what his actual production merits is a dollar wasted, and a dollar that can’t be spent bolstering another position.
The team is going to be able to lock up young studs like Kendricks, Cox and Ertz partially because Jackson is gone. I’m okay with that.
Taking it one step further, neither Djax or J-Mac is a particularly good blocker. In some schemes, that wouldn’t matter much, but in Kelly’s you really can’t afford to have both starting wideouts be below average blockers. Tack on Djax’s questionable attitude and I’m still not upset or surprised that the Eagles cut him.
Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of hype to me. Give me a receiver that scares cornerbacks and safeties over a good blocker anyday. I didn’t see any game changing blocks by our receivers today, but I saw djax make at least two this game and 1 in the last skins game as well. I do believe super bowl winning cornerback Richard Sherman said we missed him as well, so I’m gonna believe that over a bunch of people with financial connections to jeffy in one form or another.
We were under the cap this year by a ton though, so what good did it do “us” this year besides saving Jeff Lurie whatever money he’d have had to pay him? How would having him THIS year have prevented any of those players from being signed NEXT year?
Sherman’s Djax’s butt buddy. Of course he’d say we missed him. Nevermind that Djax was invisible in the NO game until the Saints best corner got hurt.
Was he invisible in the 2 games against us this year? How about for all the games he didn’t play for us this season? There’s a reason we didn’t have as many explosive plays this year. I’m not saying it’s ALL because djax was gone, but you can’t deny that we’re a better team with him. Perhaps he was just THAT bad of a locker room presence, but I’m skeptical.
Whereas your locker room presence? Well, your attendance in the locker room is impeccable. No there’s nothing you can do for me just now thanks. You’re getting a bit flabby around the upper body with all that time on your knees. Do a bit of wax-on, wax-off if that other workout is too much for you.
I agree! I trusted Chip that jackson could be replaced but he has not been. Yes Maclin will have similar Numbers but we could have had Both! However the money won’t be there when we start extending players. it will all be used up. and it is good idea. Cowboys used all their money and they may not be able to sign murray now
Short run, our offense is probably worse off without DJax. Long run, assuming Matthews, Huff, and Ertz all develop, we are better off, even if just for salary cap reasons.
they better have a plan for all this leftover $$.
Maclin 10.5 mil a year
Cox- 10 mil a year
Kendricks- 8 mil a year
Suddenly there isn’t so much leftover money.
that’s thirty, they have 20rollover, plus 20 + cuts.
It’s only 16 rollover.
EIther 1.5 or 4.5 to Ced depending on how we handle that.
5 million to sign draft picks.
Cuts should open anther projected like 15 mil.
So now we basically have 20 mil to go replace all our cuts and improve the team. Suddenly that 7 mil from DJax looks alot nicer.
ok, but you gave cooper 5. I understand what you’re saying though. Think they assumed they’d be paying nick after this year.
Yep. That’s what determines if it was worth cutting DJax.
Again, I’m still trying to understand how paying djax THIS year, when we’re way under the cap, prevents us from signing guys NEXT year. If we’re talking about choosing between Cox or kendricks and jax, yeah that’s a discussion worth having. But THIS year, what good did it do “us” besides save Jeffy money? Could have always just released him next year. I’m not in the locker room but I’d rather have a guy that parties all night and then goes out and scores 80 yard td’s then some smoothie drinking good soldier that can’t play.
You GO partyboy!
No, you go. Seriously, quit stalking me and shitting up non-political forums with your bullshit.
Go on you cocksucker.
lol
Oh, this is just too rich…you hang out here during the day acting all “bro” and sh*t but on gay websites at night. I gotta ask, though, seeing as I got banned last night; did you hook up with that Dirk1982 guy for New Years or not? I’ve got $20 riding on it.
Lol, that’s funny. It’s telling that you fags are willing to resort to lies to try portray me as a closet case. Nice ethics dawg.
Sure, sure…
Why don’t you link the post then genius?
I told you, I got banned. Apparently they didn’t like that I kept reminding Zack to use condoms. Don’t worry, I don’t think he’s going to be too popular after that little exchange. Since i’m not into “hangin’ with the dudes” and discussing sportsball, I’ll leave you to your straight buds here. Later…
Fucking piece of shit liar. I wonder why you have such contempt for sports? Maybe because you resent that it shows a masculinity you can never achieve?
Whatever, ‘bro’. I’m not a guy, and my sport is Roller Derby. See you at the rink…if you think you can keep up. Take care, and *always* wear protection. Oh, and no bareback, okay? It really is a stupid choice if you think about it.
Masculinity is something you “achieve”? Now THAT IS telling. My old club: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19192314 You’d be eaten alive.
The QBs miss him much more than the running backs do
Desean wouldn’t have mattered because Sanchez can’t throw the ball more than 15 yards anyway.
but he wouldn’t be catching bombs from RGIII
Io sono molto arrabbiato
Cutting djax was terrible, not just a loss for us but him being in the division is the worst. if that was CK that was a royal fuck up.
Unless you have 2 clone CBs the left and right side CB nonsense is infuriating to me…makes no sense at all.
I am still teaching my children the finer points of the game. At one point I yelled something about never throw the ball at Riley Cooper (ignoring the 2 TDs obviously) , and they asked why. I just said he is involved in too many bad plays. The kids said that we arent supposed to say bad things about him because he plays for our team. I had to let them know that Eagles fans dont work that way!
Perhaps we need to scuttle this whole “training” thing and go back to “practice.”
NOT A GAME, NOT A GAME, practice…sorry.
Re: Trending Down
4 losses in last 6 games.
5 losses in last 9 games.
And 3 straight losses.
Those numbers would seem to reflect some fundamental problems.
Whether with the scheme, the players, the coaches, or some combination.
It’s much more than injuries — which every team faces.
Yeah, “next man up” seems to work for a lot of teams.
My concern is that the OL isn’t as good as we thought and a major reason for that regression. With so many holes elsewhere on the team, not a good look that we need to fix one of our perceived strengths.
Howie was right to be concerned about not taking an offensive lineman in the 3rd round.
Huff was a decent enough pick, but also a luxury.
I think it might be a slow, late-season reversion to the mean. In other words, the team winds up being exactly what their record is, unconsciously correcting for winning games we maybe shouldn’t have won earlier in the season.
No reliable running game coupled with a seemingly erratic and weak-armed backup quarterback as the counter has severely limited the breadth and ability of an offense built to spread the entire field.
All of that said (and this will sound insane coming off this loss), but I really feel the defense over-acchieved for most of the season. I have no idea whether that’s cause for optimism or concern, but I certainly hope we don’t move forward assuming they will perform remotely close to this level without making at least personnel changes at the back-end.
Weak armed qb: Did he even attempt a pass over 15 yards?
Quite possibly only his first (bomb to Maclin against Houston) and his very last (hail mary today) as an Eagle.
The 3rd and 25 conversation to Matthews tonight.
That last pass when 50yds.
I’m talking about ones that actually mattered and weren’t a desperate last ditch attempt to cobble together what was left of a pitiful game.
lucky to start 9-3 leading league in turnovers. was gonna catch up to them eventually.
on the scheme issue, we have really bad DB’s. We seemed to scheme to make it easier to penalize us for that. Dallas, and we all hate them, had a really bad defense last year, lost some guys, and said, hey, if we run the ball and play ball control, the defense is on the field less.
I vote we just pile all the blame on Sanchez as a sanity preserving defense mechanism. Thoughtful analysis be damned.
Sounds good to me
Certainly deserves his fair share of the blame. I’d still like to toss Fletcher and Billy Davis on fire with him though 😀
9 wins were a illusion the losses allow the true weak spots to be seen and hopefully addressed by someone other than howie
No, they weren’t an illusion, we actually won those games. We are still 9-6.
Sweet avatar! Can we put your and your knife in charge of doing a few roster “cuts” the old fashioned way?
Do you remember when early this year people were calling for Nick Foles to be benched for Sanchez? Grass is always greener . . .
And sometimes, when you mow it, you come away sneezing……
Indeed. But “back foot” Nicky had better not make another appearance. He needs to play smarter football once he returns.
IF he returns… Bwahahaha
Play Barkley next week. Game is almost certain to be meaningless, so might as well find out if he can play at all.
Barkley against New York… brings back bad memories.
ODB vs Fletcher is gonna make some new ones.
ODB is going to make bad memories against a lot of corners. But Fletch got benched tonight so maybe it will at lease be Nolan and Sconces next week.
**woof**
Gonna be the matchup of the year.
Almost every bad play that I can remember Nick making going back to 2012, it was a throw off his “back foot.” I honestly don’t know if that’s correctable, but we really need it to be fixed if Nick’s going to be our QB for the next century.
*millenium.
What does it say about the coaching staff that guys like Fletch can make repeated mistake after mistake and face no consequence??? Cary Williams AGAIN let his emotions get the best of him.
I wish no ill will on Fletch. In fact, I respect him a lot for his competitiveness. But, he was a horrible CB on a horrible STL team before he came to us and has been able to start 2 years in a row while stinking up the field. How is this acceptable? It wasn’t like he was magically going to turn in to a decent starting CB. So why has he been allowed to start for so long with no fear of being held accountable for his play?
That is the key thing that has me upset in whole process; the lack of accountability with the players even though they continue to fail to do their jobs and/or make mistakes. Why were there no benched players? No roster cuts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQXuazYI_YU
This is what i want to say to bradley fletcher
And to Billy Davis too, please.
Done? No. Probably done? Yes.
Wrapped up and put a bow tie on this season today. It’s over.
HOLY SHITTERSSS NEWSFLASH!!!!! Andy Six informed me below that Fletcher……. get ready for this…….. actually got benched tonight!!!!!! HOLY COW!!! Alert the press. On a serious note, how much worse can Carroll be? Maybe we’ll find out, what’s left to lose?
Based on his play in Miami, I don’t expect Carroll to be great. Mediocre would be a big step up from the way Fletcher’s played for the last month in particular though.
That’s been my point all along – how can it be much worse??? And if it is, oh well, at least we know we attempted to field a decent secondary.
It’s not like Fletch was some young CB who could break out of his bad habits and suddenly outgrow his physical limitations. We and the coaching staff knew what they had in him and still insisted on playing him all season.
Did Marcus Smith play today? I didnt notice him once, but may have missed him.
I was at the game and it was terribad. GB showed the way and Seattle exposed our weaknesses better than anyone.
Rattle Sanchez and he’s not very good. Actually, after this game I don’t want him back next year. He isn’t making good reads, and there were receivers open that he missed.
Fletcher is horrible. Cary is average and makes boneheaded decisions.
I don’t know what happened to the line at points today, but if there’s a 3 man rush, Sanchez needs to have some time.
I know picking on those 3 is easy, but the whole team made mistakes all game long.
Anyways, that’s my rant and hope that Dallas has misery tomorrow.
If Parkey hits the 2 field goals or Ertz catches that touchdown that hit him in the hands late in the 4th quarter… Eagles most likely win. Disappointing loss to say the least… Some thoughts: Sanchez is a back-up QB but played a good game except for that interception. He has his limitations and that’s why he’s a back-up. Maybe the injury to Parkey affected his accuracy on those field goals he’s been making all season. It’s obvious that Fletcher is not a good CB… Nate did get the interception. Williams missed a critical tackle on the final drive… The defense has over-achieved for most of the season but not today.
It never should have been that close.
I agree… the Redskins battled all game and we let them escape with the win. I live overseas and watched it on NFL Game Pass… after the game was over. When I woke up this morning I was really shocked to see the final score so I watched the game with a more critical and dispassionate eye than watching it live… lots of missed opportunities to score touchdowns. Obviously the 2 missed field goals and only scoring a field goal on the final red zone possession were critical.
If billy and fletcher even wear anything with the eagles logo on it in 2015 I’m gonna raise hell. Vote REX for DC 2015
Were from Philadelphia and we fail new eagles saying of 2014
Fletcher is the new Carmichael. There’s no way he can be on the team next year.
If I was the head coach and my d coordinator came to.me and said I’m gonna leave one of the worst corners in the league on and island bs dez or Jackson I would have to ask him what he was smoking.
Remember this is the same DC that spent the first 4 months of his reign here trying to convince us that Brandon Boykin was too small to play CBbut just the right size to play rush OLB in a 3-4 where he’d go one on one with the other teams LT…and he said this repeatedly with a straight face
Chip won’t get rid of him he’s a sweet man and wants that will go against the culture he’s trying to build a bunch of soft boy scouts. This team is softer than baby shit.
C’mon dude. They lost, and yes talent was an issue in many cases – but this team is not soft.
What is your definition of soft guy?
I don’t understand, it’s more your definition than mine. But the front 7 is not soft, hence why they get sacks and are good against the run. The offensive line does make holes, but the RB needs to run through it.
I don’t see how you can look at this team and say soft. They lost, mostly because they beat themselves. Let’s not get out of hand and start assigning them the “soft” status.
I wish we could still see down votes in disqus.
I will bet every penny I have that you wouldn’t step into a cage against anybody on the defense, not even Bradley Fletcher, because if you are totally honest with yourself, they would end you. So by that definition, they aren’t soft, and you sir, are an internet tough guy.
Pretty specious argument.
Not that I agree with him, but clearly the comparison is to other NFL players. You know, the ones who are actually paid to play the game to the limits of their ability.
It’s the NFL, nobody is running home and going “awww shucks that other guy is so big and scawwwy”. You don’t have a top run defense with “soft” players, but it annoys me to no end for people to hurl ridiculous statements that they wouldn’t make to a players face.
Again you launch a personal attack on a person expressing an opinion about the team.
Exposing hypocrisy is not a personal attack.
You would be wrong sir because I have boxed for 9 years I love fighting. Just because somebody has big muscles doesn’t mean they know how to fight coward. I probably bench more than fletcher does. The linebackers def have like 60lbs on me but I wouldn’t back down.
I would love to fight an eagle for charity.
Soft also doesn’t always mean being a physical presence they were mentally weak and lost to a bs team.
Fletch put up 225×20. I’m going to strongly doubt you do.
Lmao are we really talking about this. Just because I don’t play on TV or anything doesn’t mean I don’t work out guy. I put up 225 for 15 Monday. People exist outside of the TV and there’s these things called gyms where normal people can go and workout too. Ive played sports all my life pretty sure I know how lift even though I’m not on TV. I just started back up in the gym about a month and a half ago I used to put up 345 fella. I live in McLean VA now if you ever cone we can go to the gym together so you can see. This is too funny!! Guy I lift with used to play arena ball in MI lol relax only Bradley fletcher but hugger around.
I am deeply sorry the love of your life has gotten burnt like toast this whole season and I respect you sticking up for your guy but relax just conversations.
Your inability to spell your insult correctly is downright adorable.
Why is there a riot when a team wins. But not when they lose?
Depression?
Burn it
All of this goes back to the Djax dropping. How dumb does that look? You drop an all star wide receiver and let him go in the division and those two big plays beat you. WAS had nothing going on
That wasn’t the problem. Leaving Fletcher alone was the issue, but would DJax make a difference when the QB wouldn’t be able to get it to him downfield?
EDIT: nvm I just read what you said below.
but he’s not catching 50yd bombs for another team. without djax skins don’t win.
Yeh, I gotcha and I agree. It’s not even that we lost him, its that we lost him WITH NO compensation.
That’s more Fletcher than DJax though.
I forgot Jackson played against us in all the games we lost?
I hated that move, still hate that move, and will always hate that move; but we were 9-3 without DeSean, lost to a better team vs. Seattle, and proceeded to choke away game that should have been wins vs. Dallas and Washington.
Those aren’t on DeSean. Neither is the lazy and unfocused mindset that contributes to the disgusting number of turnovers committed by this team.
Lol… and i paid for the NFL Game Pass playoff package a few ago too. It looked like a no-brainer that we were making the playoffs….
Well 64 years and counting . . .
I’m surprised that ’19-60′ chant hasn’t ever caught on more broadly with Skins, Giants, and Boys fans when they want to mock the Eagles.
Rangers had to endure that for years before they won the Stanley Cup in ’94 (19-40, 19-40)
That’s 54 years. We missed our opportunity last year…
Changed. Nah this team wasn’t good enough either to go to Seattle and beat them.
“He got beat for the second time vertically..”
Billy, that was about the 30th time Fletcher’s been beat vertically this season. I know he’s a good guy and a team player and all, but as an NFL cornerback, he sucks. Even if you weren’t going to bench him, your refusal to give him safety help over the top is inexcusable.
Yup and it there is enough there now for Davis to be replaced this offseason.
Sticking with Fletcher especially after last week and continuing to put him 1-on-1 was just baffling and it really has played a huge roll in costing the Eagles their season.
It’s frustrating to watch.
Its says as much about nate allen’s instincts as it does about djax.
Lots of salty, sour grapes and overreaction in here. It would be understandable, but only in the way that we might say that unrealistic expectations are also understandable. I get that fans want a legit contender right now, but getting that from a coach in year 2 is a matter of exceptional timing and luck. Chip Kelly had the benefit of neither. Chip Kelly builds programs that breed and bring contenders to maturation. Ask any coach or football mind that has spent more than an hour studying him and that’s what they’ll tell you to expect. Chip Kelly is not responsible for the franchise’s lack of a ring. Chip Kelly is not responsible for the bullseye on the forehead of big market franchises like those found in New York and Philly. Chip Kelly is not responsible to arm Philly fans with ammunition to defend against trolls who push the buttons above and bait Eagles fans into responding. Chip Kelly, if given time, has built every program he’s touched into a competitor. Sleep on Chip at your own peril. Call for his head now if you want, and I hope the Giants snatch him up and torment you for the next decade. Chill out and relax. Missing the post season sucks, but if you want a ring eventually, good luck finding someone with a better chance than Chip to bring it to you.
Okay, I would not ever wish Kelly to leave, and on top of that go to the Giants. That’s harsh and it made me cry. Okay maybe that’s exaggerating, but I’m on the Kelly train for the duration.
Maybe its not as personal for me because I’m from Pittsburgh (go Penguins, fuck the Steelers and the dirt bag Rooney’s) and I came in being a Kelly fan for years, but you give the guy time even when the results fall below optimistic expectations. I’m not saying we treat him like Wayne Fontz and coddle him as if he can do no wrong for eternity, but Kelly builds for the long haul even if it sometimes means short term pains. He will not take this season lightly and as agonizing as it is, I’m excited to see him come back from this experience next season. Who knows, maybe we luck out and make it into the playoffs this year anyway.
Chip “Kotite” Kelly is at least partly responsible for a pretty epic and unexcusable collapse. Fans have every right to be concerned.
That is ridiculous.
Comparing Kelly to Kotite? Really? Kelly has won at each level on his way up here, what’s Kotite’s resume? That’s right nothing special. What success has Kotite ever had? I’ll wait…
They both coached the Eagles to epic collapses. I thought it was pretty obvious. Kelly might turn out to be a better coach, but they certainly share that fact.
This is a false equivalence. There’s been many epic collapses in sports, but to compare this to Kotite is absurd. He went 7-2 and then lost the rest of the games that season. We’ve already won more than 2 games.
Eagles went 9-3 and might very well end up losing the rest of the games this season. They are most likely going to be only the 3rd team in NFL history to start 9-3 and miss the playoffs. Seems pretty similar.
Did Kotite have Mark Sanchez starting or his starting QB? Or more importantly, was he starting a 2nd string QB those last 7 games?
What about some other factors like losing your starting ILB and starting RG for the season? Different circumstances, and frankly he didn’t have to take a 4-12 team and improve it.
It’s a silly comparison.
Nobody said it was the exact same situation. But the fact is that both coaches coached the the eagles to epic collapses. Certainly enough similarities to use the nickname derisively hours after the terrible loss that killed the season.
And you can bet that if Kelly isn’t able to recover Eagles fans will remember them in the same breath.
I try to be nice here, but in this instance I can’t.
This is idiotic.
wow
No but he explicitly stated since the end of last season that the goal this year was to take another step forward and that included winning a playoff game.
I would have argued that even going 11-5 without making the playoffs wouldn’t have been a step back but a 9-7 finish including 4 straight losses including 2 putrid division rivals would be.
This also isn’t a young team either at a couple of spots (OL, LB) & it is a valid question to ask if McCoy hasn’t already peaked too last year with some inevitable decline.
But nobody was saying we expected a contender this year. There was some realism that Seattle and Green Bay are better teams in this conference and nobody was expecting a deep playoff run. “Par” for this season was going to be 11-5 with a win at home on wild card weekend and a loss on the road for the divisional round. Again, nobody expected a contender.
But a slight improvement in both record and playoff advancement was in order. They failed to achieve it and somebody must be held to account. I’m not anywhere close to the “fire Kelly” gang, but I want names named in a full accounting of both players and coaches and their contributions to this sorry choke-away of the division title.
I feel good about this team. They continue to keep the tradition of making bone headed plays at the right time… to destroy all hopes.
I’m actually not feeling too bad about this loss. Maybe the last two just made me numb…
But it’s clear this team didn’t deserve to make the playoffs, and now that they’re (likely) out, maybe it’ll actually drive Kelly to make some changes. I’d at least like a new DC next year. You know that wouldn’t happen otherwise…
Also: they better start Carroll outside next week. We need to see what we have in him.
My question to you… do you think a different DC would have different results with the current talent on the defense?
Depends. If the DC has control over who plays, a better one would have benched Fletcher awhile ago. Or he may have made sure he had safety help every time.
Or if Fletch is your #1 CB, you put him on the #2 WR to shut him down and put Cary Williams on the #1 WR with safety help to shut him down. Pats fan was telling me this is what they have done with Revis.
You’re preaching to the choir. I’ve been saying since October that they needed to change Fletcher or bench him.
I got roasted for saying he wasn’t a starting corner in this league, but week after week he proves that point. There’s absolutely no reason why he should still be starting.
We need a complete overhaul of our secondary, but we can only do so much in one offseason.
It’s ridiculous nothing has changed. I laugh it off, being pissed off, as I wait again for a winning team to cheer for again.
I think a better DC could have hidden some of the deficiencies, particularly with Fletcher.
Fletcher was benched in this game, but the big question is why it took so long. I blame Davis, but perhaps it was Kelly’s call?
i think a better dc would have made better adjustments based on what he and every oc around the league had seen.
I think a better DC would have realized that he needed to change something at CB after Fletcher had his 2nd bad game not his 9th.
We learned during the season, CBs are taught to not look back for the ball, but put their hands in the receivers face at the last moment. Is this teaching flawed? How many INTs did we miss by not playing the ball?
Yeah, a new DB coach next year would be great as well…
Its Kelly who is part of that teaching, so unless you want a new HC, it wont change
I don’t understand this. Kelly doesn’t coach the defense. He’s letting Billy Davis head up the defensive side of the team the way Reid let JJ head up the defensive side of the team.
Kelly could make a change at DC and DB coach without having to be fired.
Pretty sure if he thought it was fundamental wrong, he would say it.
Not to media he wouldn’t. And quite frankly, up until the past month, it hasn’t cost us too terribly. Regardless of what he thinks of the DBs, he isn’t making a change NOW and I honestly don’t think he’s making a change later. Continuity is big with Chip, and given the dearth of talent in the secondary, I’m not sure that coach would lay this at the feet of his coordinator (even though I think he definitely should).
Not sure how the HC can blame the DC for what talent he is giving his DC.
Depends if he expects the DC to scheme around it or not. Not being privy to the meeting room, Davis could be trying to scheme around it and his players just can’t execute it.
Of course there’s always the scapegoat route too. Davis could be the whipping boy for the team’s failures and be dismissed regardless of the reasons why, but I don’t see Chip making that move either.
Agree with last part. Kelly does not strike me as the scapegoat type and not sure he can when it is his offense who under performed most of the season.
well especially when it’s auto-PI if you don’t look bad for the ball.
It’s ridiculous that when the receiver actually has to stop and wait for the ball, our CB’s STILL don’t turn around. That happened last week with Williams (PI call) and this week with Fletcher (50-yard completion).
fletcher should have had an int instead of a pass deflection if he turned his head around when the ball hit him in the helmet
that was the best! Should have been a pic all the way but he over ran it and his arms were flailing and it bounces off his helmet. I was so excited that he made a play but then had to rewind it. then i had to rewind it like 4 more times to keep laughing how bad that was!
how many PI calls were made bc they didn’t turn their heads. that was prob. the no. 1 reason the refs threw that bullshit 44yd PI flag in the seattle game that totally changed the dynamic of the game
Honestly, this is the most painful loss I can ever remember. And I’m 32.
C’mon their are plenty of playoff losses more frustrating than this one.
Agree, last two games of 2009, 2006 game where Eli mounted a comeback and Kearse got injured in overtime, 2002 NCCCG, 2004 SB
All brutal. 1992 season loss @ KC. 1992 season playoff loss @ Dallas. 1991 loss to Dallas in the Vet. 2008 season playoff choke @ Arizona after having beaten them by 28 here.
oh god that bullshit eli comeback. like yesterday it was another classic eagles “giving the game away” game. biggest mistakes were mcnabb’s head pump false start and trent cole’s absolutely disastrous personal foul penalty. totally forgot about the kearse injury.
nfccg bucs 27 eagles 10
nfccg panthers 14 eagles 3
SB patriots 24 eagles 21
nfccg cardinals 32 eagles 25
WC cowboys 34 eagles 14
these are only the playoff games
and it only covers the last 15 years
Airing of Grievances:
Offense:
1. Turnovers- Where does it end? The last 4 seasons have produced the following TO differentials: -14,-24,+12,-8.
2. Drops- Wow there were some untimely drops today. Specifically, Ertz in the EZ. This has been less common this season, but it hurt us today with number 1 and…
3. OL Play- Flags, flags, sacks, missed blocks when not holding. They constantly put us behind the chains. However, we did convert a large amount of 3rd n longs. Throw 50x and you will always have a few mistakes, but their play today just was not up to par.
Defense:
1. Billy Billy Billy- Should have benched Fletcher between games and given Carroll a shot to help. No flexibility. Keeps giving BS excuses to go along with his usually good explanations. We know you could easily slip Carroll outside to start/inside in Dime, and then have Fletcher on the outside in Dime as needed. Kinda like what he did today. Don’t treat people like idiot we know this particular solution wasn’t rocket science if you wanted to do it.
2. Fletcher- Look, I’m not going to hold the fact that he’s just not as talented as the WRs he’s playing, against him. His effort is always top notch, but he’s just not that good. It’s not his fault the DC keeps putting him in match-ups he isn’t built for. Now, because of Davis his confidence is shot due to being left out to dry constantly. Who knows where his head will be at or if he can contribute at all next week.
3. BG- Where were you? So much for his coming out party…against a one armed LT. Trent Cole is still > BG. Maybe he’ll show better next week. I wouldn’t be upset if he walks. It might be the best interest for all parties.
Never before seen footage of Bill Davis watching #24’s film the last few games.
http://i.giphy.com/IdmfEtnMWPzOg.gif
swanson spin!
I didnt watch the game, but when I saw BG without any sacks, I was disappointed.
Last 2 weeks have been just frustrating and it seemed like the Eagles at times (especially in the Dallas game) thought that largely showing up and playing would guarantee them a ‘W.’
Certainly got off to a better start this game but again made execution after execution area all games on both sides of the ball.
Midseason the question was whether this team could put together more solid and complete games and they have gone in reverse. Yeah Foles got hurt and ditto Ryans but you can’t blame injuries on this collapse with either. For all intensive purposes is about as healthy as you could expect an NFL team at this point in the season. Personnel in a few areas just aren’t good enough and the coaching staff the last 2 weeks (especially on defense) can be questioned.
A lot of the guys who were such keys to the strong start have faded a lot too including Sproles, Maclin, and Jenkins. Jenkins dropped yet another sure fire INT this week that would have saved them 3 pts early, Maclin has been consistently getting doubled with a safety and jammed at the line & has seen his production dip a bit since Sanchez took over, and Sproles has been producing the big plays he was earlier on either.
Eagles come back and then choke.
Chargers come back and won
smh
One has the better QB
yeah tommy talked about that earlier. seattle and GB have good
QBs. the eagles had sanchize
A major reason why it would have been foolish to expect to beat Seattle and Green Bay, but Sanchize got us across the finish line at Houston and 3-1 after that including a blowout win at Dallas.
Sanchez being himself shouldn’t have resulted in choke losses to Dallas and Washington.
agreed, although sanchize being himself shouldn’t solely be the reason for those choke job loses
Sanchez was legit the first few games. He has regressed big time since. we are nothing but a dink and dunk team now and every drive must be 10 – 15 plays to score. can’t win like that
He is who he is basically. If it was good enough to start 3.5-1, I think seeing it finish 3-1 isn’t unrealistic when talking about beating Dallas, Washington, and NYG.
Sanchez played as well as Foles, problem is Foles got a ton of help from the D and ST in terms of TDs to give him a more impressive win record.
I really wanna leave this blog for a few day consider the amount uneducated people just screaming for everybody to be fired, but I also know I cant stay away anyway
Why in the world would you expect rational, level-headed posts in the immediate aftermath of that sh*t show yesterday??? Every Eagle fan has a right to be pissed for the way our coaching staff and players have performed in the last 3 weeks. Sure, some of our fans definitely take it too far, but why waste time caring about them? By Monday most of us Eagles fans will have calmed down and will be able to process/analyze this team/game with more clarity and balance. For now it’s fine – almost therapeutic – to air out grievances.
That was my overreaction. I just get super annoyed by all that shit. I cant really understand why fans constantly think they know better than the coaches and when you begin to see guys saying Kelly is worse than Kottie?
Dear Santa
All I want for Xmas is…
Rex Ryan.
Sincerely
GE
Why would Rex take a DC job? He’d have this D playing with more juice and do a better job game planning around weaknesses, but he’s a head coach. He’ll be in either Chicago or Atlanta and I wish him well there.
Rex is the man though.
Even if he did come coach the D here, I think he’d have 1 foot always out the door waiting for another HC opportunity. If I could be guaranteed 5 years of Rex Ryan as DC, I’d sign him in a heart beat.
this is true but he has been known to be a good foot soldier in the past.
I much rather want a real QB than Rex Ryan
soooo, you’d rather have matt ryan than rex ryan?
Yes, but the QB I thought of was Marcus Mariota.
Although it would take at least a year of watching real football to get Mariota to be a real QB. That running frequency needs to go in order to be successful in the NFL.
Mariota is a pass first QB, he only runs when its open.
The aggregate number of runs he has needs to drop by a significant amount for me to feel comfortable that things aren’t open down field. I’d prefer to see him take a one year apprenticeship prior to starting.
I think Mariota is good enough to start from day one as I trust Kelly to make the offense around his strength similar to how Shanahan changed his scheme around RG3
But Shanahan making his scheme fit RG3 fed bad habits, caused repetitive injuries, and destroyed the growth RG3 needed to make to learn how to pass in the pocket. There really isn’t any room in the NFL for long term success playing how Shanny used RG3.
Its Shanahan’s fault RG3 wont slide. Also the bad habits started in 2013 after the knee injury. Mariota do not have that RG3 or Vick gene where he just mindless will go head first in between 3 defenders even if he already got the first down.
That is very encouraging! That “mindless” gene is also evident in Kaep, Scam, and Johnny Streetball. If coaching can get Mariota on the Wilson – Luck – Rodgers continium; he’ll be successful.
Mariota is really good at going out of bounds or sliding in college. Of course he will sacrifice his body for a TD, but not just for 2 extra useless yards
If he winds up in Tampa, I’m curious as to how they develop him and with what OC.
Lovie Smith is death to all QBs
I am holding out hope that san fran new coach wants to go in a different direction and kapernick becomes available. wouldn’t have to give up so much for him
I want no parts of that dude. He threw for less than 150 again last night. He really has no clue on how to play QB. His entire approach to the game needs a 180 degree change in order to be functional as a long term QB in the NFL. He can’t produces on anything other than broken plays.
Agree, not really a fan of Kapernick.
My wish list is more realistic though. Unless you still believe in Santa getting MM is probably as realistic as dialling a 10 digit phone number and being connected to Megan Fox.
But why would Rex Ryan ever go back to been a DC when he will 100% get a TV gig or become HC for another team?
thats why it’s still a wish. ;?
What I really want to see teased out by guys who cover the team and then by the actions of Howie / Chip is the following;
From the reporters – What is wrong with the team from a talent standpoint, a coaching X and O standpoint, and a lack of focus / effort (as evidenced by unforced turnovers and stupid penalties) standpoint. I’m sure this will need some anonymous quotes from other team’s staff members, our own players, and some national media types (like Greg Cosell) who really know the game.
From Howie / Chip – Asking them to say this guy or that guy sucks isn’t going to happen, so I’m not looking for that type of blame from them; that’s for our reporters to expose. What Howie / Chip will “tell” us will be through their actions. Is the exact same coaching staff back next year? What positions do they keep as is, what positions do the promote from within to improve, what positions do they address via free agency, and what positions do they address via the draft?
All things being equal the following things must happen next season:
– a training camp battle must produce a functional starter for 16 games at the QB position
– better DBs must be acquired
– the lack of focus and intensity that leads to leading the league in turnovers needs to go away via a different approach in coaching or guys in the locker room holding each other more accountable.
Anything short of a division title next season is going to be unacceptable. I’m hoping the well-earned and stinging rebuke of the putrid fade out this season will help the entire organization take an honest look at their failures this year to really bring a stronger focus this off-season.
Obviously those were all horrible as well. But to me, this was uniquely horrible. When have we seen a late season meltdown by a team with a coach we really, really trusted before? Combination of losing to a horrible team, erosion of my faith in Chip (which a few weeks ago I’m not sure I thought was possible), and now essentially serious long term doubt about the direction of the franchise when I had been so positive about it very recently.
this fletcher on an island thing has gotten to winston justice-game levels. how many times are you going to let your completely overwhelmed guy get beat before you give him some fucking help.
13 sacks in that justice game. 1 giant, jpp/tuck/or umenyiora, had 6 by themselves which pretty much made them a probowler by having 1 game with an incredible sack total.
It is amazing and unbelievable that he hasn’t been benched ONCE. Why not see what another guy can do. We are using dime more this year so Boykins chances are down this year with Jenkins covering in the slot a lot. so why not try him out there? just try!!! are they worried about hurting Fletchers feelings? It is Crazy! He might be small but he covered Megatron in the end zone last year and out jumped him for the ball.
LOL and i had to rewind it a couple times. Even the one play he made on 3rd down he totally over ran it and with his arms flailing the ball bounced off his helmet. SOOOOOOOOO BAD and def funny
All the disagreements are interesting. But some facts are there was a lot of CB’s available when we picked Fletcher and Williams. If I remember right we paid Williams more than any other free agent CB that year. We paid Fletcher big money to and Kelly and the GM made those decisions. I have no problem getting rid of Jackson if he doesn’t fit but cutting him and getting nothing for him, ridiculous. The Coach and GM are responsible for that. I say keep Kelly and Roseman but this off season needs to be a lot better. I also say play Watkins and Carroll this week and see what they have, we can not make the playoffs because even if Cowboys lose to Colts they will beat Redskins.
this is true but at the same time it’s dallas and it’s december, so anything can happen
The thing that really brothered me is how much chip Kelly reminded me of Andy Reid in the sideline. I want a coach who looks like he cares when his team is falling apart. He had the deer in the headlights look the entire 4th quarter. Also I felt that Sanchez pick coming. As soon as the broadcasters talked about how well he’d been playing up to that point I knew he was about to blow it
He’s coached this season with the same level of arrogance Andy Reid did in his last few years here. At least Andy had some success to back it up. Chip had one 9 win season. Chip’s ability to learn from this season is going to go a long way in determining his success in Philadelphia.
I know its irrational but I kinda want lurie to do something to light a fire under him. Fire Davis at the least. And perhaps Musgrave. Show that your not going to let chip do whatever he wants, especially when it’s not working at all.
Nothing is going to happen in year 2. Lurie isn’t that kind of owner, and quite frankly, you have to give Kelly a chance and see how he handles it. I’m curious to see if changes are made from Kelly’s end, or if he continues to plod ahead like he is the smartest man in the world.
But its very disturbing that Kelly has managed to lead this team from 9-3 and contending for a bye to dumpster fire in 3 games.
I just can’t believe that I have to wait 9 months to watch meaningful eagles football
We better have new corners by then
and what happened to Big balls? that guy went for it on 4th and 1 50% of the time. on that 4th and 1 when he missed the second kick! i was sure we would go for it! however Polk after being very successful last couple weeks got zero carries.
Couldn’t agree more. Or when he punted down 10 to dallas
I don’t think Lurie meddling would get us to where we need to be. Lurie and Chip can have a discussion about 2015 result X = 2015 off-season job consequence Y, but I don’t think you get a guy of Kelly’s stature to be here with an intervention oriented owner.
I also can’t pass any type of final judgement on Chip as an NFL coach until I see how he adjusts this off-season. I don’t think he built a successful career in football without being able to adjust as necessary.
We’ll just be here to judge the adjustments as necessary; because they’re needed!
I don’t know what happened! our offense has become so boring! ALL it is is a dink and dunk offense! We led the league last year in explosive plays and set an all-time record for plays over 20 yards. Our knock was that we score to fast and in 5 plays or less. Now IF we score it has to be a 10-15 play drive! you can’t win like that and maintain that many drives! Hell Ertz had 15 catches and barely broke 100 yards! it is so frustrating to watch! WE NEVER GO DEEP ANYMORE!!!!!!! One throw when it was 3rd and 24 he went somewhat deep and got it but that was it. What happened to that fun offense? Why is sanchez so afraid to throw the ball deep
Sanchez has no arm strength and Kelly cut the Eagles best vertical threat so he could go play for a division rival and burn us. Now teams don’t respect the Eagles deep game and its condensed the field which has helped slow the offense down.
i trusted Chip, but this is bad. Last year he did so many different things. remember he would have linemen lined up at receiver, and he would do that wheel route to mccoy or Jackson out of the backfield down the sideline. He would send mccoy one way and jackson another. I thought he could atleast use sproles in the wheel route with Mccoy. It is just plain vanilla this offense. Same thing. Mccoy lines up next to sanchez and does the read option with a QB who doesn’t run. and it is alway 3rd and something and sanchez will throw it a yard or two in front of the first and we have to hope to get it. UNREAL
And i hate to say it but we should have never let go of Jackson. I see Dez killing us every time we play them and he is way more a pain than jackson. I think about it and Maclin, Jackson, and Jordan Matthews would be the top Receiving Corp in the league! If maclin was open as much as Cooper last year it would be scary. Westbrook said it last night also. You remember on Mccoys long runs last year he would always have a nasty juke move on a safety running up after he got through the line. Now those safeties are right at the line cause they don’t have to cover over the top deep! I never even realized that until you think back! In the NFL westbrook said you can’t afford to get rid of talent like that and not get anything back! A stat i saw last night. Jackson has 12 plays of over 40 yards, more than the WHOLE EAGLES TEAM. and he has 9 catches for 243 yards for 27ypc avg on us. I was on board at first because i trusted chip but this was a mistake!
While I do agree and being one of the biggest critics of this move by Chip back then there’s no point of crying about it.
In hindsight it was a huge mistake to keep Coop instead and it will be even more fatal should Mac leave in FA.
I hear you G, I was for the move because i felt like he must be a mess behind the scenes for him to get released for nothing. But after seeing how horrible this offense has become it has finally hit me how big of a mistake it was! It is truly amazing going from all time record for plays over 20 to every throw 3-7 yards
No doubt we’d be more talented with Jackson than without, but part of the equation is;
– Lazor leaving
– O-line backups being sucky in spite of being fluffed by coaching staff all pre-season
– McCoy’s drop off in productivity
– Foles and Sanchez mistake-a-thon
What has Lazor anything to do with anything? Not like Miami’s offense is some juggernaut now
There were some rumblings that Lazor was getting through to Foles in a way that Musgrave was not. Folks had speculated that was part of some of the reason Foles was making worse decisions with poor technique before he went down for the year.
Just hard to compare because the OL and run game was playing at such a high level in 2013 that its hard for me to put too much on that on the QB coaching change.
All part of it as well. But every part of their operation as a team needs to be analyzed at this point.
i heard Lazor worked well with Foles also. There were a couple reports last year about them two and how well they were working together. There is a reason that he got promoted
I have heard the opposite, there was stories after he was hired that him and Foles had a bad relationship
and did that Knee hurt Kelce that bad because he is getting pushed back ALOT! The top center in the league he is not!
LOL and how about the one play where everyone else went and the center was the only one who didn’t know the snap count.
Kelce, even though he’s great at line calls, setting pass protection calls, and moving in space, isn’t exactly a guy with enough sand in his pants and/or functional strength to win 1 on 1 vs. 320lb + DTs/NTs. Good to great player, but not quite pro bowl / all pro.
The problem is, it was never keeping Cooper or Jackson.
Jackson wasnt released for what he did on the field, but off the field.
Also, Sanchez wouldnt be able to hit Jackson deep anyway, so his talent would have been wasted here
And how the Hell do we have a first round athletic LB and he isn’t even good enough to get a snap on special teams????????? that is the craziest thing i ever heard!!!!
All part of the tapestry of arrogance and bad decisions that have led to this point.
A lot of first round (or really end of 2nd top of 3rd round) talents weren’t asked to play special teams in college, so that transition to learning NFL special teams and NFL position groups is too much for a lot of them.
I’m not ready to go buck wild on Smith unless we don’t see him contributing next season.
Makes sense! But a big athletic guy who can run, you would think that he can fly down a straight line and lay a lick on someone!
No doubt, but let’s see how things look with him in pre-season games next year.
Not like we need him to play it
Also i was very Confused and didn’t want to judge as a homer. That interception as soon as the guy caught it the tip of the ball is on the ground. They said he had control but on the other angle maclin has his hands on one side and the top is against the ground. That blew my mind a bit
Correct call in my opinion. If we had that pick, I’d want it.
Hope this makes us feel better!
Lwta be honest chip is stubborn as fuck but a bad coach no. I think he is getting in his own way. I think he’s trying to prove he doesn’t need to do what he did at Oregon to be successful. He does I don’t think we have the right qb. I know for a fact we don’t have the right DC I mean you can’t play the kind of defense you want to play with the players we have thats the reality. The cornerback situation is dreadful we have 2 3rd-4th stringers starting at CB are you kidding me. I will deal with his 5 year plan but I am gradually losing faith in this team.