Bowl Day
Posted: January 1st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 803 Comments »Let’s set aside over-analyzing the Tom Gamble situation for a while and talk about some college football.
12pm … Wisconsin vs Auburn
1245 … Baylor vs Michigan State
1pm … Minnesota vs Missouri
5pm … Oregon vs Florida State
830 … Alabama vs Ohio State
I’m not going to write about every prospect, but let’s take a look at some the Eagles could be interested in.
RB Melvin Gordon – UW – Had an amazing season. Doesn’t seem likely the Eagles would spend a 1st round pick on a RB, but they liked a couple of guys that went early last year. Never say never.
OT Rob Havenstein – UW – Huge guy at 6-8, 330. Plays on the right side. Could be someone to draft and develop. Lane Johnson will move to LT somewhere down the road.
WR Sammie Coates – AU – Big, physical WR with good athletic ability. A bit raw, but has outstanding potential.
CB Jonathan Mincy – AU – Lacks ideal size at 5-10, 196, but that might be big enough for Chip Kelly and Bill Davis. Not sure about arm length. Finished 4th on the team in tackles and had an INT.
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QB Bryce Petty – BU – Great stats, but not a great NFL prospect. Is he better than Nick Foles? Matt Barkley? Does a great job of running the Baylor offense, but isn’t special in any way. At his best, is accurate and shows good touch. Experience in an up-tempo attack could make Kelly like him. Also seems like a good decision-maker. Curious to see how he does against a great defense.
WR Antwan Goodley – BU – Lists at 5-10, 225. Physical WR who some have compared to Anquan Boldin. I’m looking forward to seeing him against top DBs.
DE Shawn Oakman – BU – Huge. 6-9, 280. Gifted athlete. Probably won’t make it to pick 20, but if he did you wonder if Kelly could pass on him. As good as Ced Thornton is at LDE, Oakman could give the Eagles an incredible front.
CB Trae Waynes – MSU – Oustanding cover corner with 1st round ability. 6-1, 182. Had 3 INTs this year. MSU likes tough, physical corners and uses them in man coverage a lot. Would be a good fit.
S Kurtis Drummond – MSU – 6-1, 200. Leading tackler for the Spartans and had 4 INTs this year.
ILB Taiwan Jones – MSU – 6-3, 252. If the Eagles want a big run stuffer to pair with Mychal Kendricks in the future, Jones could be of definite interest.
WR Tony Lippett – MSU – Good combination of size and speed. Goes 6-3, 190 and averaged 19 yards per catch this season.
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RB David Cobb – MIN – Has the size I like at 5-11, 220. Ran for 1548 yards. Good combination of toughness and athleticism. Maybe think of him as a more gifted version of Chris Polk. Not sure about him as a blocker or receiver.
DE Shane Ray – MIZ – One of the top pass rushers in the nation. Goes about 6-3, 255. Can play the run and I’ve seen him drop into coverage on occasion. 1st round player.
DE Marcus Golden – MIZ – Better college player than pro prospect, but could be someone the Eagles look at for OLB depth. More effort as a pass rusher than athleticism.
OT Mitch Morse – MIZ – Starting LT, but began his career playing C. Has good size at 6-5, 305. The Eagles would like his versatility.
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NFL.com wrote a piece on prospects in the OU/FSU game. Obviously for us, every Duck is a potential prospect.
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QB Blake Sims – UA – Lacks ideal size at 6-0, 208, but could be of interest in the mid-rounds. Good athlete. Has good accuracy on his deep balls. Able to take advantage of his great WRs because of that.
S Landon Collins – UA – Arguably the top Safety in college football. Big hitter. Can be erratic in coverage, but makes his share of plays. 1st round prospect.
ILB Trey DePriest – UA – Another ILB the Eagles could like. Has good size at 6-3, 245.
CB Doran Grant – OSU – Only goes 5-10, 193, but highly productive cover corner. Had 5 INTs and 9 PBUs.
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Again, this isn’t everyone. There are tons of prospects in these games. I’ll be focusing on DBs and the QBs.
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Outside of Mariota, who’s your top choice at QB in this draft for the Eagles, Tommy?
I’d say pick up Taysom Hill in the 5th or 6th round as a developmental project.
He’s from BYU. Your know AR will pluck him before we get a chance.
Like Hundley, Grayson, Petty in rounds 2-4
Hundley is intriguing, I want to like him under Chip Kelly but not sure (A) he falls far enough for the Eagles to have taken care of our more pressing issues and then get him and (B) that he makes the transition to the NFL without turning into an “athlete” rather than becoming a pro QB. Not much into Petty, just don’t like him and think he’ll be a turnover machine. Grayson has some upside but still can’t get beyond my mancrush on Hundley (which I know can only mean he’s going to flop).
Would love to see Mannion in round 4. Seemed like a legit prospect last year. Lost Brandin Cooks and that really hurt.
Foles – Barkley/Locker/Ponder – Mannion would be a nice stable.
Also, I wonder if Chip would be interested in a guy like Josh Freeman as a developmental guy.
Freeman is a measurables guy and has all the right tools, but he’s also a bit of a headcase like Sanchez (i.e. get into his head and you own him). Not sure if he’s a clear upgrade over #3 but if we could sign him cheaper then why not?
i agree w you that there is better talent to develop in the league already .. if matt barkely cant make it then then these new kids are slim pickins at best! .. I had seen that kid John SKelton from Fordham and thought he would be a great prospect.. cards got him. AR apparently loved him/ but he only made it 4 seasons!!!
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I don’t think there is undiscovered gold this season..gotta re-work someone still around
looking for . . . XEYNON.
Good exchange on last post about Gamble.
Appreciate your POV as someone regularly dealing with the media. Important to hear what you said. THX.
Hah thanks, the feeling is mutual. Glad to know that my experiences with the media can be of benefit to people (I’ve mostly found them to be unpleasant personally).
Unfortunately I don’t have much to add about the Bowl games… I watched basically no college football this year. I’m going to try to catch some of the games tonight, watching with what Tommy says in mind.
Re: Bowl games . . .
you and I both.
Re: Most Wanted ILB
For me?
Miss State’s Benardrick McKinney.
Not only is he huge and athletic at 6’5 250lbs.
But I can see, if he’s as good as advertized, just calling “Bednarik McKinney”
I agree I actually like him more then Baby Kendricks but I think Baby Ken I’ll be easier to obtain plus Ken is awesome anyway
Love that kid…. If we aren’t crazy about the lack of size in playing the two kendrick brothers together, McKinney easily becomes next ILB up on my wish list…..
.X Factor: The Shaq Thompson kid, undecided about how he fits in our scheme, but SERIOUS TALENT
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Erik Kendrick if you want more athleticism, McKinney if we want some size in Meco’s role… Either way, I’m a happy man.
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I also think Meco will be brought back next year…. Our trainers have been monitoring his rehab, and chip sounded really confident and enthusiastic about his return… It gave me confidence that I haven’t seen Mufasa’s last game,.. Having him here for a year, while he helps tutor his replacement who can take a load off Meco and play some snaps would be awesome,
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Erik or Benardrick, we can’t go wrong as far as I’m concerned. I like having an inside track on Kemdricks, eliminating guess work, chemistry,mental make up, commitment Blah blah blah, we would be lucky to have either…. Shaq is the only other acceptable ILB name that would tickle my fancy…
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Give me either ILB,
Cornerback Jaylen Collins LSU
Anthony Harris, Safety,Virginia
TY Montgomery Stanford WR
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And I’m happy! 😉
If we got 1. Baby Ken/Mckinney 2. Collins 3. Harris and 4. Ty I’d be elated
Grab a Guard in free agency
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I could see Devin McCourty possibly being a much more affordable safety upgrade, than what it probably cost to sign Byron Maxwell… McCourty is worth watching because stylistocally he fits our scheme. I’ll be watching him closely Everytime the Patriots play.
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Trade for Dion Jordan since he should be 3rd round, 4th rd cheap.
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I’d take the flier on josh Gordon, because he is such a talent and we have a strong locker room. I’d trade a 5th to take a flier on him, he can be Lurie’s next rehabilitation project lol…. Doubt it ever happens unfortunately,
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Problem is a 6’2 long arm corner like Collins with plenty of big competition bump n run corner experience could put on a show and see himself drafted in round 1
Mccourty won’t be affordable he will get elite money, think Maxwell be cheaper honestly and I think he is staying in NE
Yeah I wouldn’t bet on either becoming an Eagle unfortunately… Most likely going to be a year of Nolan and Cary on the outside while rookie corners are being groomed…
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I’m really struggling with free agency this year because I feel like the market is terrible for our positions of need
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We can’t sign another WR because we have to sign Maclin and pay Cooper next year, so to upgrade WR we either have to draft a WR, or trade from a WR talent who’s teamis giving up on him that’s still signed to a rookie contract like Josh Gordon, Cordarrell Pwtterson, Justin Hunter(he sucks tho)
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I wonder what good players will get waived who aren’t expcted to be available league wide?
Trent Cole could be cap casualty
Reggie Bush is definitely getting waived by the Lions
If Nolan and Cary are the starters at CB again with no safety upgrade, the Eagles failed this offseason.
Paul
Dawson: ILB, TCU, 6’2, 230lbs
OVERVIEW: You don’t play linebacker at a top Big 12
school if you can’t play sideline to sideline.
Paul Dawson, a wide receiver coming out of high school, certainly fits
that profile. He was a two year starter for the Horned Frogs and was the team’s
leading tackler both years. The senior from Dallas has 128 tackles, 5 sacks, 4
interceptions, and one touchdown on the season.
That’s an impressive stat line.
Gary Patterson has done an excellent job at molding a great athlete,
into a very good football player.
Athleticism is the first attribute
that jumps out when studying Dawson. He has great range. Some linebackers are tackle to tackle
players, others hash mark to hash mark, even fewer are sideline to sideline. Dawson falls into the latter however his
range is borderline Gatorade cooler to Gatorade cooler. He should run a high
4.5 based on tape. He has the ability to
stick with running backs and tight ends in coverage, and due to his speed, the
zone he occupies is pretty large. He does a good job reading the QB’s eyes when
in coverage and it lets him jump routes effectively.
His instincts are decent. He’s by no means is going to be mistaken for
Luke Keuchly, but they are pretty solid nonetheless. It’s an area you can see
is still improving. In the short term his
burst once he makes his read compensates for any hesitation in what he
sees. He takes bad angles from time to
time, but that feels more like a player who hasn’t completely normalized to the
position more than anything else. He’s
most comfortable playing inside-out, and when allowed to play in this manner is
much more instinctive and takes better angles.
His best asset against the run is
that explosive burst. He diagnoses the
play and in an instant is in the hole to meet the ball carrier. He needs work at taking on blocks, but this
looks more like a matter of functional strength, as opposed to willingness. His
best game against the run was actually against Minnesota, who plays smash mouth
offense. He’s got no problem sticking
his nose in there and mixing it up, he just needs to continue to fill out his
frame.
FIT
WITH THE EAGLES:
The Eagles aren’t looking for another Demeco Ryans. In the modern NFL
you need two ILB’s who can be playmakers and roam sideline to sideline. Both
should be able to come up and stuff a fullback on one play, and then tackle the
running back in the flat on the next. Bowman and Willis, KJ Wright and Bobby
Wagner. Dawson would be an excellent fit for the Eagles 34. He would provide the perfect complement to
Kendricks. Dawson would be able to
immediately start in the nickel (TCU runs 4-2-5 base). As he fills out his frame (he should be able
to get to 245 easily) he becomes a playmaking ILB who possesses strength,
speed, and instincts.
Grade: Top 75
If you only watch one game:
Minnesota (2014)
When did everyone become so huge?
twss
sorry
no problems!
Yeah -that’s why I think the NFL should actually have MORE emphasis on player safety.
These men are all significantly bigger and faster than players 20 years ago (and those guys were bigger and faster than 30 years ago). It’s a violent game, yeah, but getting hammered by 275 pounds of muscle running a 4.4 is brutal.
Yeap got a kid like Shawn Oakman super athletic 6’9 285 with 4.6 speed, dangerous
For me it was the combination of a sedentary workplace environment coupled with an unlimited supply of snacks…
You remain the very best at getting things right.
Do you mind if I print this comment and “casually” drop it in front of Mrs. Baloophi?
You’re rolling . . . big time.
Tidings to Mrs. Baloophi.
And be sure that she sees what I wrote . . . if not about being right, at least about your short story.
Drummond looking bad today
Don’t really like many of the MSU guys… I like Trae Wayans more than grabby Datquez Denard, but I prefer the LSU corner who can be had in the same range… So Wayans WOULDNT dissapoint me, but he isn’t my top option either
Yeah outside of Waynes not big on anyone of them of D
I know Oak is on a real good tackle and he is flashing some good moves but he disappears a lot
ATleast Baylor is playing some D… MSU can’t even make this game competitive… All those defensive NFL prospects and Baylor scored 34 at the beginning of the 3rd quarter,,. SMH. I don’t get how you have so many NFL prospects on Defense, Shalique, Drummond, Wayans. And you are going to end up giving up 50 PTs in a bowl game SMH.. This is why I hte college football, I don’t root for any teams, I don’t even really like watching the games, I just watch individual prospects the entire time
Curious what this recent turmoil means for our connection to Oregon Prospects?
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The first draft must have tortured Chip. Miami stole dion, Kyle Long didn’t last Til round 2, Kiko didn’t last Til round 3, you can tell chip went into this last draft hell beant on not letting teams steal huff and Hart, and Howie was there to tell chip when they would still be available in the next round. We secured Huff and Hart last year…
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But what impact will the recent events have on our connection with Oregon Prospects? Before the recent events. There was a good chance we end up with a few of these Oregon prospects, especially since a few fil big needs…Is Chip still going to get whatever Ducks he wants or will Howie start to say No?
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Soon, chip will no longer have intimate knowledge on so many of the top prospects… Very curious to see if any of the ducks end up drafted by Howie:
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Hroniss Grasu, perfect fit, starting Guard what can backup Kelce, athlet agile fit, experienced in Oregons tempo, chimp recruoted him, one of the top C prospects.
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Jake Fisher also made some sense. Played both Tackle spots for Oregon since Tyler Johnstone got hurt, he could start for us at Guard, and eventually take over RT when Lane moves to the right side…
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Ifo Ikpre OLOMU becomes more likely now that ACL injury drops him to round 3. The Only way we draft this kid is if we don’t plan on extending Boykin, and even then we still would have Jaylen Watkins to replace Boykin so I find it hard to believe that we spend a pick on OLOMU.
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ARik Armstead I adore. They really want him to play Left Tackle, but he refuses..Big, Long, Athletic, perfect fit for our DL scheme… Yeah would only draft ARik or Oakman, if we plan on losing VINNY Curry or Thornton in the near future…
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I think it doesn’t have as big of an affect, they will probably squash any Mariota trade if that thought even crosses Chips mind but there are too many good Oregon players who fit I think we still snag one
Yeah chip should probably forget all about Martiotta now lol
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You are probably right, so many of the top Oregon guys will Important needs. No reason to spite chip and take a marginally higher ranked prospect at the same position over an oregon kid where we can eliminate all the guess work since we know the kid so well… Plus Howie can draft all the oregon guys he wants, if they suck, people will blame chip for wanting his ducks anyway lol
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If we see Oakman or Armstead drafted, you know a curry or Thornton trade will be announced shortly after
Oakman announced that he’s staying in school. I suppose he could still change his mind before the deadline to declare.
Typed that before the report
Ifo will be an Eagle next year. That is almost a lock since his injury and the fact Howie loves BARGAIN TALENT. Hopefully he can recover
For some reason I have a feeling Curry will be dealt after his production his trade value probably wont get any higher than it is now.
JD:
You’re right about Curry’s trade value — certainly from our point of view.
Don’t know how other pro-personnel people around the league see him. But Curry took a step forward this year in his pass rushing.
He’s better than any 3rd Rd pick a team looking for a pass-rusher will find. Probably, better than any 2nd Rd pick targeting a pass rusher.
Only issue is whether acquiring team will extend Curry immediately to keep him from FA after 2015.
That affects his trade value, I assume
Unless we think Curry will develop into more than a situational rusher I think we should try to unload him. After his contract is up (next year I think) he will get PAID.
That said I hope he stays here somehow
Pass rushers don’t fall out of trees.
Unlike 3-4 DEs . . . as D3FB noted a couple days ago (when responding to a comment I made about the Eagles extending CThornton).
Ced has zero pass rush skills lol, so I know what u mean but Im also really high on him: never really commits penalties, stuffs the run, and never hear a peep about bout him.
They should resign him, unless they can get another Cox in there lol
Florida,State has highly ranked prospects..two good CB prospects in PJ knucklehead williams and Rpnald Darby…I’m not much of a fan. I liked last years Florida state players, this years DONT do much for me…. Big fan of Jaylen Ramsey’s but he is young
As far as the Oregon Ducks go, I could definitely see tackle Jake Fisher or center Hroniss Grasu being drafted by the Eagles. OL concerns are obvious and either one might be available in rounds 2-3. Both look like legit players. Grasu is probably more likely, as he could start at RG or just be the top interior backup if Herremans comes back for one more year. Not sure about Fisher as a guard, but wouldn’t rule it out.
Fisher should also be able to start at Guard until lane moves to the left side, and then Jake slides over at RT…. Lol By then Kyle Long will be a free agent and BOOM we get another Duck to play Guard!!!
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We will have to switch the OL blocking scheme, and start playing “The Flying V” scheme
I like Fisher a lot, but prefer Grasu. Grasu has the same kind of freakish athleticism Kelce, Mathis, Peters, and Johnson have.
I prefer Grassu too its tricky though, I’d love him in the second but by the time the draft is here I think he will be a fring first rounder in the 30-40 range so how do you get him?
If the Birds end up in the same situation as last year (let’s hope not), they might have the ammo to trade up in the 2nd like they did for Matthews.
Well we have two 4ths ( I hope) so maybe you package 52 and a 4th
Doubt that’s good enough to move 20 spots.
Well if we are talking about getting 32 you’ll have better luck trading back but I would prefer not to trade back this year
Preaching to choir.. I think Grasu can eventually rival Kelce at center, and when Kelce gets hurt and Grasu has to fill in, we would be getting some more size in there. That’s how highly I think of Grasu. Fortunately he can be an awesome Guard so we can just leave Kelce at Center.
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But for example, I think Grasu is going to be way better than the Martin G/C kid from USC that we brought in fr a visit last year, think the Niners ended up drafting him…Grasu will be a much better pro
I’d have a happygasm if either one of those guys ended up an Eagle, but I also think Kelly is going to have to stray a bit from the perception that he’s using Oregon as a farm team. There are a few other OL prospects I like too, thankfully.
I don’t think Kelly cares about what people think of him. If an Oregon player is the best man available, he’s taking him.
Oh, I know what he will likely do, I was commenting on the perception of him. He doesn’t care, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t affect him.
I’m a bit confused. How can he not care about the perception, but still have the perception affect him?
He doesn’t care if he’s perceived that way, but that perception, if held by others such as his players, Lurie, Roseman or the rabid Philly media and fans, can make his mission as a coach more difficult. I like that he doesn’t care and I want him to take the best players available, even if every one of them is a Duck; but if there is conflict between him and the Front Office or some discord might brew in the locker room, this kind of stuff just feeds into that. The last thing I want is for garbage like this to push Kelly to another team. So while I like that he doesn’t care, I hope he can manage the situation in a way that keeps him in Philly. I really don’t want to go follow another team in a year or 2.
Howie’s been more than happy to sign guys who are Oregon alums like Chung (ew), Bair, Maehl, and Dennis Dixon. Lurie delegates, he doesn’t micromanage. Media is not that important. Fans are not that important. I doubt the players hold it against Kelly. Rose Bowl today showed Oregon has lots of good players. They’re a good place to look for fresh talent.
Lurie delegates to Howie, Howie and Chip may not be on the best of terms. Gamble was allegedly fired for being too much of a Chip guy. So who was pushing for the Oregon guys and was Howie really more than happy? There might be unrest in the FO, logical or not, Chip being Chip could aggravate the situation. Wish we knew more about what’s going on. This RosemanGamble business has me a bit out of sorts.
[…] Tommy Lawlor wrote about some 2015 NFL Draft prospects worth keeping an eye on. Some names that especially interest me: QB Blake Sims, RB Melvin Gordon, WR Sammie Coates, CB Trae Waynes, S Landon Collins. […]
JONATHON MINCY – CB, Auburn
As an Auburn fan via marriage I’ve watched all of their games over the last few years: AVOID THIS GUY! He is wretched. Terrible instincts, terrible hands, and worst of all, terrible penalties on 3rd and long (pointless holding, PI’s, unsportsmanlikes, etc.). He sells out for the big hit at the expense of PBU’s, INT’s, and even tackles, and is susceptible to double moves as a result. He basically has no understanding of the rules and flies around cluelessly like he’s doing an Ernie Sims impression. Think of him as a stouter, less-disciplined Sconces. He was pulled from the game against Samford (no, not Stanford… SAMford) after a dumb unsportsmanlike and two PI’s. He did get his lone INT in that game when the Samford QB threw it wildly to the sideline where Mincy was standing in zone. Given his arrest for pot maybe you can call him a possession CB?
He also managed to get ejected from Auburn’s spring game after targeting his own teammate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNinL0S3XJs
mItchell say “Sammie Coates or Bust when it comes to Auburn” lol
He does love him some Coates.
Coates is very raw – Auburn is a HEAVY run-first team and when they do throw it’s either bubble-screen or pro-longed play-action with a deep post… which he excels at. That said, that’s pretty much all he’s been asked to run. I think in a different program he’d have both more attentive coaching as well as more nuanced route-running skills to take advantage of his significant size/speed combo. I think of him as a Riley Cooper upgrade with a higher ceiling. The issue will be value: Like Mitchell, I covet Coates, but given all of our team needs I don’t think spending a second round pick on him is the wisest move.
Baloophi . . .
You’re description of that certain car-ride back from that certain unnamed game remains one of my all-time favorite (exceedingly) short stories — both in terms of content and especially the writing.
Ugh. And as ESPN pans over the top of the Rose Bowl for the Oregon / FSU game I can see the very benches we sat frozen on as maroon and gold confetti rained down upon us.
these are gems. painful, i understand.
but the best writing comes from personal experience, no?
Indeed. That’s why Tommy’s writing has been so exceptional this season.
Oakman is staying in school. Was a big surprise.
Where is this awful development
https://twitter.com/BrianKWTX/status/549566751952744448
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not THAT surprised since you saw such conflicting opinions on his stock. Kid could easily be a top 10 talent, but some had him in the top 20, others questioned his consistency and effort and had him falling into early round two…. I see the same discrepancy in oppinion on ARik Armstead.
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Armstead is def entering the draft, but he has also been known to underachievs at times. Basically people expect that when he finally puts it all together, he will be a monster, because he was really a basketball up Til a few years ago… His dad is actually a famous agent that represents NBA players, his mbrothers I think were basketball players… He has disapointed at times, refused to move to Left Tacjle like coaches wanted, but the expectation is when he matures and puts it all together, technique catches up to athleticism, he will be a monster
Cannon is a monster he just torched Waynes
Wayne’s is getting abused
Waynes was actually doing well he’s been on an island and Bryce has been avoiding him but Cannon just destroyed him
Yeah I just meant that last drive, he got picked on
Yeah this is ugly. Don’t know if it’s right to feel this way but I’m really souring on the idea of drafting some of these MSU defensive guys after watching this. This is exactly the kind of offense these guys are going to see from some teams in this league & they’re getting hammered.
In fairness to wayans…my Favorite corner prospect since Desmond Trufant is LSU Jaylen Collins, 6’2 190lbs, long arms, can run, should put on a show at the combine, plenty of bump n run experience, I love the kid, but even with him you can always find tape of a corner getting roasted…. For example, I wouldnt show people the Tape of LSU vs. Alabama with how Amari Cooper had his way with my boy Jaylen.
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Corners going to get roasted from time to time, but I was never high on this years MSU defensive prospects like Shalique and Drummond. Want nothing to do with them
I like Collins too. I read somewhere he used to shut down ODB in practice regularly. Anybody that can do that, I want him!
Yeah kid can really play. If we don’t trade back, he could be in play for our first round pick since he is expected to have an impressive combine so I’m sure he will climb somewhere in the 12-27 range…
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No chance of him lasting to our second round pick unfortunately
What would happen in this city if After cutting Desean Last year, chip cuts Shady this year? Lol Riots? Even if they wanted to, would they dare do that after last year? Lol
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Worth watching Oregons stud freshman running back. He could be a quality RB prospect two years from now, when we start thinking about replacing shady…they just showed him during the Baylor broadcast, I missed his stats,
But he is a decorated freshman running back for Oregon,
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#21 Royce Freeman, Freshman RB for Oregon 6 ft, 225lbs, smooth runner…check him out today
Freeman is a freshman though so that is another 2-3 years
2, I don’t think he is a natural freshman… But you start watching him now, because he should be one of the top dogs in the draft two years from now when shady is getting up there in age and we need to start thinking bout his future replacement… If we plan on hanging on to shady for two more years, is be against drafting a RB this year.
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RB is like the one position where you DONT need to sit a rookie on the bench and let him learn for two years. Pretty much a plug n play position,maybe you keep him off the field on 3rd down as a rookie so he doesn’t have to be asked to block….
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If we are bringing shady and Sproles back next year, Id be pissed if we draft a RB
Unless they are redshirting Gurley
Oakman is going back to school…. Well then
Okay, I know I was drunk last night for New Years, but WTH is going on with our squad????
https://twitter.com/southern_philly/status/550503555778772992
Basically it’s time to crack open each others’ heads & feast on the goo inside.
Basicly, Sh*t is going down in the FO. Latest ESPN report stated that Kelly put Roseman in a stranglehold because Roseman called him fat. Apparently after that Lurie jumped on Kellys back and went all Mike Tyson on his ear. Drunk and bothered by the incident Lurie went to club shampoo in Philly and made it rain on stage durring New Years. He then agreed to a 10 year 225 million dollar deal with Terrel Owens to replace Cooper. TO then just recently tweeted for all of us to get our pop corn ready.
ATleast MSU trying to make a game out of this
Hahahahahahaha as soon as I typed that , Connor cook throws the dumbest pick 6 ever! LOL
Hope it’s okay to post this here since it’s off-topic but it seems like the conversation has migrated here and the Gamble thread is dead.
I’m wondering if part of the reason for the Gamble ouster and Roseman having Lurie’s support is the decision not to trade up for Odell Beckham. This was widely reported pre-draft and this article says that Roseman was the one making the calls trying to trade up(that doesn’t necessarily mean it was his idea):
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346602/article/will-philadelphia-eagles-trade-up-for-odell-beckham
Then remember in his post-draft PC, Kelly said that other teams were asking for too much to move up. I don’t recall if that same question was asked of Roseman.
Perhaps Roseman was the one pushing up for Beckham and Kelly didn’t want to give up the picks he could use on his Oregon guys.
We got Huff. He was a third round pick. It would have cost more then our 1st and our 3rd to move up that far. Lol we drafted one guy from Oregon. That isnt much to complain about. Esspecially considering he does have talent albeit the dumb and untimely mistakes he has . He corrects those issues and i think you have a good versatile player that plays hard.
Two guys. Taylor and Hart.
Ahh..you are correct. Forgot, then its 3 total. My apologies. Include those picks.and our 3rd and our 1st it still wouldnt be enough. Its very costly to move up in 1st round. It would have been more like our 1st, 2nd and maybe a 4th plus something else.
Taylor Hart is one guy lol
I think the move — “trade chart” wise (FWTW) — would have cost the Birds their 1st and 2nd Rd picks to get up to Nos. 10 or 11.
I’m assuming G-men wouldn’t have traded down at 12 with ODB on the board.
But a 1st and 2nd are premium picks on draft day.
It would have taken a lot of brass to pull the trigger on a deal like that.
Moreover, you have to find a partner.
At 10 last year was Detroit, which chose TE Eric Ebron.
At 11 was TN, which drafted OT Taylor Lewan.
Who knows if they would even make the deal — given that the consensus seemed to be that the 2014 draft had 20 1st Rd-quality players . . . and Eagles were picking 22.
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@JohnMiddlekauff
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Heard from multiple people today that #MichiganSt CB Trae Waynes is 100% going to turn pro.
You know WHATS a CRAZY thought?
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As fans we are so damn desperate to upgrade the secondary,and rightfully so. but it blows my mind to think that as desperate as I am, and fellow Eagles fans are to see an upgraded secondary, the Eagles secondary might be in the best shape out of any secondary in the NFC East… Tell That not a CRAZY thought?
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When you think about it, the defensive backs in our Division are pathetic. malcolm Jenkins is probably going to be the best safety these next 2 years out of any safety our rivals currently have. boykin is the best Nickel CB in the division the next two years…. We Suck, but so do our enemies, and we are all probably about to embark on an arms race to build up our secondaries. Every team in the NFC east is desperate for a corner and safety upgrade…
Bashaud Breeland played pretty well for the Redskins.
Not really… He has a big INT against us.. The week before ODB caught 3 TDs and Breeland literally committed 5 penalties againsg the Giants. They drafted Breeland,and the other outside corner, high, what’s his name, Amerson from the wolfoack? Or Jonathon Banks, I always mix up those two. They might be good corners one day but they have been pretty crappy so far…l
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In fairness, young corners all suck pretty much, so they could grow to be good corners….
True on the one hand.
On the other hand, we don’t have a receive like Dez Bryant. Or DJax for that matter (yes, D.C. team doesn’t have a QB, though didn’t seem to be a problem against Eagles in two games).
Or Beckham
ODB?
My mind blocked him out . . . psychotic break after last Sunday!!!
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So what you’re saying is every other NFC East team has a dominant WR except the Eagles.
DJax on the border. But ahead of Maclin.
I actually think Desean vs Mac is a wash but Pierre is much better than anything we have after Mac
DJax a weapon deep — better than MAC.
But MAC better than DJax at all other aspects.
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You’re right, Garcon’s a h-u-g-e upgrade over Cooper.
I’m expecting that Cooper will be WR #4 on the Eagles’ depth chart in 2015.
If Huff cannot beat out Cooper for the #3 spot (w/ JMat moving outside and Huff in slot, or Huff just beating out Cooper) . . .
Then I’ll be very disappointed in Kelly, Huff, the WR coach . . . and pretzel vendor at Broad and Patt!
No one will argue Jackson is a better deep threat then Maclin. He isbthe best in the league. However Maclin is no slouch when it comes to big plays. He is among league leaders in receptions over 20 yards. I can remember more then a handfull of plays this year were Maclin was streaking downfeild open, and he wasnt even thrown to or over thrown. Random but i remember mid year Maclin still didnt register a drop. Thats crazy. Did he register any at the end of season?
W2424:
I think — as GE’s written — Maclin has a big season, including several more long plays, if Foles stayed healthy.
Early in the year, as I know you remember, Foles missed hitting Maclin at least 3-4 times on 40+ plays that were schemed to be TDs.
(So I’m agreeing with you)
Mac is definetly a better all around WR without the drama. His numbers were slightly better the Jacksons last year. Thats with subpar QB play, compared to very good QB play Jackson had last year. I think even with Foles playing poorly Maclin would have had better numbers to end the year of Foles never got hurt. Sanchez doesnt look comftorable passing outside. He focuses on middle of field. Look at Maclins vrs Mathews numbers when Sanchez played. That will tell you all you need to know.
w2424 . . .
nice argument on why Matthews’ numbers went up.
they came at the expense of others. and JMat’s increase doesn’t necessarily mean the offense presented a more threatening trio at WR.
important and lost in the conversation generally.
I think it does suggest that we have a more threatening group because while it did eat into Maclins numbers, it shows that Mathews is capable of getting open and making plays. Avant wouldnt have been able to.put those numbers up. If Avant was there instead of Mathews i bet Sanchezs numbers wouldnt be what they were. More then anything it suggests that we had a QB that was unable to effectively hit on outside routes or deep routes. You could also make the arguement that earlier in the year we had a QB that tried deep to many times instead of throwing to more shallow routes. While Maclin was beasting with Foles, the numbers suggest Foles forced throws to the outside and deep. Foles deep numbers werent very successful. He did miss Maclin deep numerous times, in which he had every right to throw to him, he just missed. There were also a few times where Foles really forced it to Maclin were he missed something in middle of feild, whether it was TE, RB, or Mathews. It seems that we have a QB that is overly focused on shallow/inside, while also being talentedly limited to that, then we have a QB that is overly focused on outside and the big play. I think Foles has the talent to hit anywhere on feild unlike Sanchez. He was just really off for numerous reasons. Maybe Foles just didnt trust Mathews yet. Its possible, he was dropping alot of balls early on.
Maclin is very good. Is he Dez or ODB? No. Do our collective WRs measure up to.the Redskins? No. We dont need a completely dominating group of WR to be good. We do need a better 2 WR over Cooper though. For years to come we are going to be playing against groups of great WRs in the NFC East however, and we need a secondary that can at least give them some kind if resistance. We are going to.be going up against Dez, Djax and ODB for years. Then you also have Cruz, Garcon, im forgetting another 2 pretty good ones. Cant think of their names, lol hungover. Even Beasely is very capable of doing serious damage. I dont think there is another division in football that even comes close to the WR talent in the NFC East.
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“I dont think there is another division in football that even comes close to the WR talent in the NFC East.”
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You cannot repeat that enough.
Great observation that deserves re-examination next September.
(And, I think, OREOFESTAR was thinking along those lines, too)
Absolutely not even close NFC East is stacked a wide receiver
I think its only going to get stronger. None of the WR are going to leave in FA. All of them are reasonably young with Cruz being the oldest. The rookies are only going to get better. Mathews, Huff, and ODB which is scary. On top of it, Cruz returns. Randle, another good WR that i forgot.
Which is why I want to jack up this secondary
Its a must. ODB was only a rookie, he can get better. Cruz was out most of year. Redskins QB situation can only get better. I will never count Eli out, he may come back strong next year.
I’d rather have This years Maclin, instead of last years Desean… Even if we take the personalities out of the equaton, I would stil rather have Maclin. He really impressed me this year, blocking, run afte catch, a new found toughness. Big clutch, Catches in 4th quarter comebacks….sanchez killed Maclins season. If FOles stayed healthy Maclins stats would be ridiculous this year
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Should have drafted Matevis bRyant, replace DEsean on outside, as big deep ball threat instead of huff
I dont thonk we have best secondary in East, however i didnt really think about how poor the other 3 teams secondaries are untill you said . The bad thing about that is that upgrading secondary through FA might get VERY VERY expensive. All 4 teams need massive secondary help, i could easily see all 4 teams trying to outbid each other.
Yup… And,we have some Undiscaplined jackass owners like snyder and jerry to bid against.
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malcolm Jenkns will be the best safety in our division. Antrel Rolle is old, Barry church is meh, Redskins entire secondary is a mess, they waived Merriweather
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DRC is a good corner in Name, but he sucks. Dallas corners suck,bWashington has young corners who may be good one day, but they suck now
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I can’t beLive how bad the secondaries are in this one division
Though there is this whole Cap thing in their way at least.
Besides Seattle, New England, and maybe Denver . . .
Who exactly in the NFL has a good secondary?
I’ll be curious to see how the St. Louis backfield develops over the next couple seasons…
seems like there’s talent back there.
and an off-season to get Baron more involved.
so much talent on that defense, across the board.
Not many really good overall secondaries in the NFL right now. Which makes it even more sad to say we are one of the worst. A good secondary isnt easy to get yet alone maintain. Very expensive. The best way to do it is really hit in draft. Players are cheaper and younger. Example….Lito, Brown, Lewis, and we already had Dawkins in place. To back that up we had Mikel and Hood. Hood was one of the better slot receivers at the time.
“Hit in the draft”
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Seahawks had an incredible two-year run in the 2010 and 2011 drafts getting DBs — along with signing Brandon Browner.
You’re right. The only way.
I cant wait for FA and draft to start. I think this is going to be one of the most exciting offseasons in a long time. Not counting 2011. Brand new secondary.
“A league source with knowledge of the Jets’ thinking tells PFT that the only conversations they or their consultants had with Roseman were limited to their interest in interviewing Eagles pro personnel director Rick Meuller for the job.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/01/jets-talked-to-howie-roseman-but-not-about-howie-roseman/
That statement answers a DIFFERENT topic than the earlier report.
The initial report was Roseman’s AGENT spoke with the Jets’ consultants.
This new report is about DIRECT conversations between ROSEMAN and Jets’ consultants.
Totally different things.
(That’s my recollection of the first report, at least.)
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The media is horrible at parsing what large corporate entities say.
I have a story (who doesn’t, right?), but I’ll save it for a really slow day.
“The media is horrible at parsing what large corporate entities say.”
Ironic given most media is, in fact, owned by large corporate entities.
But the news reporting arm of these conglomerates are left to operate “independently.”
Right?
Like at Fox News.
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Actually, your point’s a good one.
But in the age of twitter, these so-called reporters must do better.
I think you meant to put the quotation marks around “news”…
Wait, isn’t “Jets’ thinking” an oxymoron?
How can a non-human entity called Jets think?
I get that the Jets have a 1st Amendment right to Religious Freedom.
But thinking, too?
No way.
Well, the Jets as a non-human entity also have a 1st Amendment right to unrestricted political campaign contributions so hopefully they have some facility for thought. Then again, they did start Sanchez for four years, so who knows?
Yes, I should have considered the Free Political Speech aspect.
Way better being a wealthy corporation.
Especially since corporations don’t have to deal with the other, annoying facets of individual rights and responsibilities… like taxes.
So why exactly is it that certain elements of the media keep reporting that America is anti-corporations?
SEE ABOVE discussion on corporate-owned media…
Brilliantly done.
A perfect coda for a John Stewart opening.
Geagle, Royce is a true freshman
Who is eagle royce? can he play CB,FS,or QB lol
Lol should’ve put a comma I was telling Geagle that Royce Freeman is a true freshman
And I was busting balls lol
I thought so then I lookes at my comment and saw how it could be confusing
Reminds me of this gem…
Yeah… Kids a young talent to keep an eye on down the road
the missing apostrophe or comma makes no difference.
meaning’s the same.
hard to do that with a sentence.
(Not being a bad guy. Just noticed the oddity.)
Yeah but when on a phone casually chatting on a forum not really worried about prefect punctuation
No. I understand.
I was just really struck by the rarity of what was on the page.
(I write for a living. So it caught my eye.)
Looks like a lot of talent on the Oregon sideline… and they’ve only shown their cheerleaders thus far.
Good to see Marriotta face two NFL corners in PJ and Darby.
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FSU DL should also provide a nice challenge for Grasu and Fisher on the Ducks OL.
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Like to see Arik Armstead have a big game and get some hits on winston
QUESTION:
The Eagles have 8 selections at the 20 spot . . . [edit] in each round (extra 4th).
How are they going to get all these guys you’ve ID’d?
It’d be great, for sure.
No one said we would get all of them 😛
Heck half of the kids im talking about are too young to enter this next draft
I’ll settle for
Benardrick or Erik Kendricks
jaylen Collins
Anthony Harris
TY mOntgomery
Is JCollins a 1st Rd guy?
Probably will be after the combine, sadly
Anthony Harris is a safety that stylistically fits our defense from Virginia, who won’t go in round 1
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Landon Collins I can’t see us wanting for our scheme
Jaylen Ramsey is by far my favorite DB in this game…CB/S whatever. Lovie that kid but he is too young for this draft.
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The FSU a Guard Matias is supposed to be agile, someone worth looking at today
Any relation to Jaylen Watkins?
Cousins on his baby mama’s sisters,side
Touche
Buon anno
Don’t start this s*** again
What a terrible hangover GE has. That is no fun.
I must say, I have always had a love hate relationship with college football, but this playoff is finally a giant step in the right direction. Marriotta vs. Winston is a treat
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Appologies to MSU and their defense, they shut me up. After letting up 34 points in the first 40 minutes, they buckled down and Baylor rolled over.
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Baylor has the coolest football helmets ever made.
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All is right with the world, Baylor lost to MSU, they didn’t deserve a playoff birth… Did TCU win? Lol
Yep, watching Baylor I got football helmet envy. Pure awesomeness.
Here’s my helmet envy…
Ahhh space balls. Prob haven’t seen that movie in a decade,,. Gotta watch it one of these days
I would maybe watch it while enjoying your hangover cure of choice…
Friggin awesome
GE:
You didn’t live enough years during the Pre-BCS era — when New Year’s Day could have 4 different games whose outcomes could impact who’d be the (mythical) national champion.
With the death of conferences, can’t ever go back to that.
But there were 1/1 days when Notre Dame was playing Texas in the Cotton Bowl, Alabama v. Nebraska in the Sugar, USC v. Ohio State in the Rose, and Oklahoma v. Arkansas in the Orange . . .
All the teams were either undefeated or had 1 loss.
And you would not who was No. 1 until the Rose Bowl ended at 8 pm.
Then the arguments started.
Great, great days.
Lol… That crap always kept me from getting into college football as a kid. I watch it now, for the sole purpose of seeing NFL prospects, but once they expand to 8 team playoff it will really be awesome…
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My only complaint is I would have rather seen these QBs go at it for the championship instead of the semi’s, but one could lose and ruin the match up, so I’ll shut up n enjoy 😉
Oregon just converted the swinging gate 2-point attempt we failed on against Kansas City (where Lane Johnson forgot to block Tamba Hali).
Do you see Lane Johnson on Oregon?
Exactly.
I’ve been lawyered.
And I’ll await the other purists to correct my comparison: Oregon used a mirrored “quads” arrangement. We slid 6 guys to the side and 2 to the other against KC…
Well looks like I have to delete the comment I had in progress
Ha! Sorry!
Did anyone else have “spend more time on Iggles Blitz” as a New Year’s resolution? Just curious…
so you’re admitting, indirectly, that you write political satire?
Don’t think that’s a realistic resolution for me since I keep refreshing every 2 minutes already.
Oregon v. FSU
Game over.
Ducks disdain the FG and then fail to convert on 4th & 5 at the FSU 22.
I understand there’s still 50 minutes left.
Just can’t leave points on the field against FSU.
(all tongue in cheek)
Am I crazy to think that Winston is actually the better prospect? He just seems to have more of “it” to me.
I don’t disagree.
That he’s done stupid things is mind-numbing, given all the attention. I get he’s 21 years old.
Honestly, I think that a lot of that was driven by people with agendas who wanted to sell papers/get ad clicks/protect their reputations. Sadly. He seems like someone that plays to win, to me-but I’m not sure if he’s got the discipline to do the studying it takes to play qb in the NFL.
That’s the question.
And no matter his coaches tell you, no way to know until you have him on your team.
Now, if Winston stuck around and graduated in 4 years with a degree in a something more serious than General Studies, that would say something about his stick-to-it-iveness.
Maybe “General Studies” is not as vague as we think and refers to an actual historical course of study about military generals? You know, with classes like “From the tent to the Oval office: The genius of Dwight D. Eisenhower,” or “Short and to the point: The rise and fall of Napoleon,” or even, “From Captain Crunch to General Tso: A survey of history’s greatest fictional food leaders (including Count Chocula, Colonel Sanders, and General Mills).”
This is much more your scene Knucklehead. You should hang around here more, seeking approval from Alphas.
Stalk much?
I was just wondering how full of dung you are. Brim full.
Fuck off. I don’t approve of your lifestyle, deal with it. If you can’t, at least have the decency to keep it in the forum in which it’s being discussed. I care less about the fact that you like to take it in the ass than I do about your efforts to basically criminalize expressing disapproval.
I don’t give a fuck what you approve of. You come on a blog about the death by suicide of some poor kid, posting offensive stuff. An old lady takes you to task and you start going, “But my mommy, my mawwwmmy…”. Then the old lady (in her seventies btw) tells you to grow a pair, and on this blog entry about a suicide, you tell her: “Kill yourself.”
And I’m supposed to be worried about not having your approval? Tssk! What a hero.
You’re completely mischaracterizing the exchange in which you and your dried up old bitty hag friend couldn’t have the common decency to not call a cancer survivor stupid because she believes in God. Not going to respond to you in this comments section anymore. These people want to read about football, not your bullshit.
He raped a chick. Allegedly, but almost certainly, raped some girl. If the worst thing he did was yelling dumb shit in cafeteria and stealing some crab legs, I’d see your point. His problems run a bit deeper.
i mean…you’re not a criminal unless you’re convicted.
Really besides the point. Contrary to the popular narrative, women don’t just go around making up rapes. Rape is a bit more than “kids will be kids” stuff, and besides that, he didn’t learn from the extra attention that situation and kept doing dumb shit. If he turns into an upstanding adult, I’ll be incredibly surprised.
all that’s fair, but he’s young, not the first football player to be in a bad situation, especially regarding women.
i don’t want to damn him to be ryan leaf.
I don’t know whether he did or not and neither do you. He wasn’t found guilty, but it’s not beyond conception that he got off because powerful people wanted him to play. Just because a woman says it, don’t make it true.
Nope. Nope nope nope, not letting this one go. I know too many women that have been raped to not say something.
First, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape. Had to look it up to see real numbers. 2-8% of reports are false, which the article notes is a similar incidence rate amongst other violent crimes. I’m sure they’re notably higher when dealing with star athletes, but usually not years before the athlete has any money. Most are not reported to begin with, so adjust your stats accordingly.
My point is, contrary to what you and your friends joke about, women don’t lie about being raped.
Secondly, rape is the kind of crime that is difficult to prove since “blah blah you weren’t there, she wanted it…” apologists like yourself have a point that who could say what really happened. https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates. According to that link, only 2% of rapists are convicted. I’m really not surprised that he wasn’t found guilty, as if that were a stamp of him not having done anything wrong.
All that being true, the Tallahassee police royally fucked up the investigation. In a huge, and obvious way. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0
To be clear, Winston wasn’t found innocent. The police never investigated it, and then by some mystery, didn’t have enough evidence (which they didn’t look for) to charge him. Awfully convenient. The prosecutor was cracking jokes during the press conference announcing that they wouldn’t be charging him, if that tells you how seriously they took it. This kid isn’t worth defending.
You obviously just think that because he’s black. Racist.
You obviously just think that because he’s black. Racist.
And yes, women do lie about rape. http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/
The real world is a lot more complex than woman good, man bad. Christ, what’s the world coming to when there’s manginas in football forums too.
Who the hell is Davin Cook?
Freshman. He’s VERY good. Fun to watch too.
Does FSU have anyone behind Winston?
Because that team sure seems loaded for next year (with a new body or two on the defense).
FL (the state of) is certainly fertile territory for NFL talent.
But I don’t have an answer for you re: Winston’s understudy.
FSU pulling out the Standford game plan against Oregon from 2012 and 2013.
Oregon v. FSU
FSU can’t score from the 1 on 3 shorts.
If you can’t gain a yard, you don’t deserve to win.
Game over.
lots of time left.
I know.
Just having some fun.
Sorry, my bad … Guess my hangover has switched off my irony senses.
No . . . given the date and time, I should have been more clear.
Hmmmmmm, what does that unfortunetly remind you of?
LMFAO!!!!
We barely saw Watkins play this year. If Boykin were to leave after next year, or go to outside, did it seem.as though Watkin would be effective in slot? Wasnt able to see game. I know a few people say he seemed to play fast. Im taking that as he was very fast to close in on ball or ball carrier, which.is not the same thing as quickness which is needed in slot. I know one game is not nearly enough to judge, but did anyone see something in him that would lead you to beleive he could handle it?
Is this what we are supposed to look like? Pretty sweet
If you’re referring to the particular shade of green… yes.
Well, you didn’t see Lane Johnson out there?
Have these unis been designed by Walt Disney?
Before or after his funeral?
could be 14-3.
Or 14-10.
Both teams leaving points on the ground.
anybody else hoping mariotta has a terrible game??? lol GO DUCKS
Davin Cook . . . kid is NFL ready
buy insurance NOW
RBs should be allowed to enter the draft a year early.
Their career earnings are materially affected by the years they are forced to spend playing for free with regard to injuries and general wear and tear.
Totally agree.
Great point.
Shortest career span. Highest injury rate.
Yes, but the NCAA’s primary focus is the education and growth of the student-athlete, not financial viability. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll return to watching the Rose Bowl, presented by Northwestern Mutual.
I haven’t decided which of the 21 different #8 “generic player” Oregon jerseys available to purchase yet.
Why not all of them? Oregon would encourage you to “just do it.”
This tempo is crazy!!!
Yep, but their defense isn’t bad
Defence playing good too.. Missing piece on Eagles team is a QB like Mariota running the O
OT: what’s your favourite hangover cure?
Raw fish or load up on Powerade
Chicken Noodle Soup
I’m just trying orange and cranberry juice with a splash of sprite. Verdict: 7/10.
Mug: priceless.
For best results, make sure to drink off of your front foot.
Lol
Pho
The best, but not easy to procure high quality.
I once made a miraculous recovery with nothing more than lemon-lime Gatorade and a CSI marathon…
You’re not a human being.
Sleep..if its an option.
the spiciest curry you can get, you sweat it right out 😉
But it burns twice!
that can be a hindrance alright.. generally id get a Lucosade sport, Gatorade to you guys, 1 bottle of that to 3 bottles of water usually does the trick, and i think being Irish, and a student, I’m pretty qualified to weigh in!
gotta get that sausage egg and cheese.
A joint
Erving and Matias. Athletic OT/OG hybrids that we should look at.
Fisher too from Ducks.. But Erving from LT to C impressive versatility
plus, the kid is 6’5″ or so . . .
tallest center in the United States — at any level.
Yeah think Unger of the Seahawks could be close 2nd
OMG MARIOTA SUX. CHOKE LIKE PEYTON!!!!
We should trade up in the second round to draft the Seminoles kicker. You can never have enough kickers.
Is that after we trade Parkey for 2 firsts
was thinking as bad as we are in the red zone might need two guys — that groin injury kept us out of the playoffs.
Sophmore
Baloophi . . .
I just caught up and saw your very helpful explanation of “General Studies.”
A new-found respect for the professors who teach those courses.
I know I would’ve at least audited the survey course on food leaders… especially if it had a lab requirement.
Fitz be a good fit in Eagles? Sounds like he could be goneski from the Cards this offseason
He’d be a great fit on any team.
How much? That $5M Cooper’s getting would’ve been nice to have (given that the Eagles seem to like being $20M under the cap every year to roll over into the next year to get even more under the cap).
Fitz may be New England bound.
Belichick hasn’t had a receiver of his size and quality since Moss.
And Fitz knows walking in the door at New England that he’s playing with a HOF-bound QB, will get a 1st-week bye in the playoffs, and will have a great shot at playing in the SB.
Would love to see him in Green, let him take Matthews/Huff under his wing for a year or 2, really high character guy to help them progress.
Well New England doesn’t exactly have a tom of money
Urlacherzzzzzz
Seconded, let Maclin walk.
So Oregon also has issues with CBs and..3rd and long defense.
and so does FSU
i just started watching and following college football about three months ago, can’t believe what I was missing out on.
That said, it looks like Winston might be more appealing to NFL scouts than Mariota in terms of NFL readiness.
I agree on this, the appeal for us is Mariota’s learning curve with us isnt as profound
I agree. Our offense looks nearly identical to Oregon’s, minus all the extra wrinkles they’re able to execute due to the mobile QB.
This might sound crazy, but I like Jameis intangibles at the next level..
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There is something to be said about a QB who lived in the middle of so much turmoil and distractions off the field. No matter what mess was going on in his life (mostly his doing of course), none of the outside crap ever got to him, he was able to black it all out, and win every single time he took the field… That says something, and having the ability to flip the switch and turn on the football “tunnel vision” and not let outside madness effect his play should serve him well in the NFL during bad and crazy media times.
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On the other hand, he is a liability to get arrested and Embarress your franchise every time he leaves your facility lol
If he can stay out of trouble he definitely has the it factor
You picked the right year to start, with the new 4team playoff, it used to be infuriating debating who the national champion is…. I’m so much more into it now that they have playoff and championship will be decided on the field…and eventually they will ,move it to 8 team playoff and it Will really be awesome
Could someone point me towards anything that Winston does that is head and shoulders above Mariota or that indicates more pro readiness?
I’ve heard several people say that Winston is more ready, but with vague rational. Am I missing something?
Mariota looking the real deal over Winston
It has more to do with the style of offenses the teams respectively run. Allegedly, Oregon doesn’t run a “pro” offense with “NFL” reads. FSU does.
You see Winston make some of these intermediate throws on dig routes and crossing patterns with accuracy and velocity and can’t help coming away impressed.
I’d take Mariota because I value his athleticism and maturity, but from a strict “passer” standpoint, it does look like Winston is better.
I do think Winston is generally more accurate than Mariota.
The route tree thing makes sense, and it did look like Winston knows how to go through his progressions. I am curious though if the game is going to move towards Mariota’s skill set as rub routes and packaged plays become the norm.
Arm Strength and size.
WOW BREAKING NEWS!!!!! Howie Roseman has traded Chip kelly to the Tampa Bay Bucs for the #1 pick in the draft, and HOWIE announced that he is already negotiating with Marcus Marriottas agent.
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E-true Hollywood story
I wouldn’t want Mariota without Kelly 🙁
I’m a FOles guy, unless you are offering Luck or Russel Wilson. Only two QBs whos “BIG TIME gene” I respect as much as Foles’s and they have more talent…
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If I can’t have one of those two, I take FOles in a heartbeat over any young QB… Which is why I laugh when I hear media people speculate that unless we can trade for Kapernick or someone like that, our QB situation will chase chip away smh
I might add Cam in this offense maybe, but after that I agree with you
Cam, Kaep, Mariota. Ability to run is the third head of the monster absolutely breaks defenses. remember when vick was just running for 60yds untouched and then shady was running for 20yds at a time and then djax was just catching deep bombs? remember how fun that was (turnovers and shit aside).
WHATTTTTTTTT?!!!!!! Lmao this can’t be true right?
Vindictive hOwie was negotiating to teach chip a lesson not to fuck with him by trading him to the raiders, but at the last minute the BUcs offered #1 pick, and Howie figured he could be more spiteful by trading chip for a pick that lets us draft Marriôtta, and not allow chip to coach him.
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True story
Not gonna lie that’d be funny as hell
Teach you not to fuck with Howie..
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I heard Howie built a “graveyard room” at Novacare. You walk in this room. And you see Tombstones of all Howies former Enemies… There is a Joe Banner tombstone, andy Reid tombstone, Louis Riddick tombstone.. Tom Gamble tombstone was the latest addition
You forgot the Alex Henery one.
Lol you got me there.
Bwahahahahahahah Jameis Winston just beat Mark Sanchez “butt fumble”‘for most Embarressing QB moment ever
The buttfumble was still way worse
I dunno man, he ran around, tried to throw, fell flat on his ass, threw the ball backwards over his head behind his body right in front of To y Washongton who picked it up in stride and ran in a TD….. That was Bad!!!!
It was bad, but there is something different about running directly into another mans butt head first so hard that you lose control of a ball in your hands.
Touché’
That’s what I was thinking about when I saw that.
50+ game coming up
Marriotta and the uptempo offense put on a second half clinic. So much for second half being Winston time..
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Grasu made some key blocks warrioring thru that bad ankle
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Dargan flying around making plays at safety
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The TE who replaced injured Pharoah who I really liked is balling
I really like dargan. I’ve watched a lot of ducks games this year and he is always making plays. Very instinctual. He would be able to contribute early too.
I know a lot of fans dont want us to draft oregon guys, but I like dargan
I like him because I always figured he would be a late pick, and for a late pick, you are right, he seems to have that playmaker gene, and he is a high character leader, good value to take a flier on..
He’s slow.
mariota was like 38-3 this season, needs to happen
Well looks like Jameis is gonna send scouts a bad last tape
Are you serious?
He just meant that Winston didnt play to a Joe Webb level
/me rolls eyes…
Of the things Winston had control over, he actually played quite well. The fumble is bad, but something more of a freak play.
It was a joke and not mean spirited in any way.
Jameis has the skill, but is just a knuckhead. Coukd you imagine inmgoing to the sideline and flipping out on chip the way he did?
LOL
What do you mean?
Lots of actual good plays, is what I mean.
I agree but he is losing composure making some bad plays which is so unlike him, which is why I said a bad last impression
when? Are you talking about the usual shoutfest with the coach?
Composure was the wrong word but Jameis hasn’t looked himself the last 15 minutes
Sure. It *is* his first loss in a while.
Sorry I guess just saying considering this is his last tape he hardly went out with a bang
yeah i mean seriously
I really think you are all just taking my comment the wrong way
Jamarcus Russell Jr? LOLz
He still showed he can make all the throws. I don’t think this game drops his stock at all.
I am excited to watch Devin Smith during the next game. That dude is so underrated right now. He reminds me a bit of ODB. He is so explosive, has good body control, and is a natural pass catcher. I think he will be a late riser and a first round pick just like ODB, though he wont go as high.
Not crazy about the prospects in the next game
Me neither I love Cooper but he is a top 5 pick, every one else is meh. Unless there is someone Ohio State I should be watching I don’t really watch any Ohio State so I wouldn’t really know
Coop is Legit, Not an over rated Tavon Austin type.
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Watching Landon Collins is the biggest tease ever. Now that we have the 20th pick, and have a big need at safety, we can probably trade up not too high to get the best safety in the draft, but our luck, the top safety is a terrible fit for our scheme so we won’t be interested. Then again, it could be a blessing. I despise Alabama DBs and their crab walk technique. I could see Landon Collins dissapointing like Mark Barron, who cant be trusted so teams basically blitz him all day.
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I’ll probably watch Arnie Koundijo all game,Big Guard, supposed to be very athletic and strong. I assume Stoutland knows the kid from his Bamma days.
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Arnie Koundijo
Hroniss Grasu
Matias FSU
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3 quality Guard options for us after round 1 of this draft
I hate Collins honestly , is there any prospects at Ohio State I should give a damn about
Adolphius Washington is a good player, but not sure if he will decalre.
Joey Bosa is not draft eligible, but may be the closest thing we’ve seen to JJ Watt
Doran Grant would be a nickle back for us
Devin Smith would give us a verticle threat that we lacked this year.
I know about Bosa but I ignore him cuz he isn’t eligible, I forgot about Grant I watched him against MSU I’ll watch Smith tonight
Devin Smith…WR
Micheal Bennett DT
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Both should go In rounds 2-4
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Ive seen Bennett in mocks but the little Ohio State I watch is usually for Bosa
Alabama has
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RB TJ Yeldon. 6’2 220lbs. Some seem to think he can be better than Lacy. But he is banged up…. Should go in round 2
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Arie Kouandijo G 6’5 315lbs, but agile… Stoutland knows him. Round 2-3
be nice if we get some underrated bama talent for the line.
I don’t understand the hype with Collins….. He can deliver big hits… wow. He has the size too but there are many other safeties in this draft that are just as good if not better than Collins. Not worth a top 20 pick.
Fortunately he won’t,even be on our draft board
Wouldn’t surprise me he is going too high for us to consider him maybe if he was in play for our 2nd pick I’d consider it, I liked Did way more
I know he didnt make the catch, but that was ODB-esque
Yeah good call… Wish I didn’t hate these two teams
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Florida state seriously had like 10 prospects who are getting drafted in the first 3 rounds
I think a lot of teams want a guy like him and he will “rise” on the media’s projection of draft boards. Assuming he runs that 4.4, he’s still probably not falling to us in the 2nd. If his 40 time is closer to 4.3 he’ll be a first round pick, easy.
I hate Alabama, but I want them to win. If I remember correctly he was one of the coaches bitching wanting to get rid of tempo offense. I’d love to see Marruotta and that tempo just run up the score on Saban… Would be glorious
I forget. Which team has the stud kicker who they say can go as high as round 3?
Im guessing its the FSU kicker.. They were talking him up alot during the game
Yeah That’s what made me think about it. I know there is an exceptional kicker that supposed to get drafted high.. I know the FSU kid was a stud, I was assuming it was him..
He’s only a Soph
osu quarterback?
3rd string
were the first two guys any good?
J.T was awesome but he is a freshman
People seemed to like Braxton Miller. I’m so sold on FOles, I rarely pay much attention to the QBs
yeah i’m not not sold on foles, i’d like a guy that’s more mobile though. lots of pressure on foles next year. he can either get paid or not.
fans don’t have a lot of patience for one and one.
I’m much more concerned with the OL. Protect FOles and he will prove to be Alll the QB we need
could be true, let’s hope b/c i think he’ll be the qb we have.
Yeah it’s not realistic to expect us to find a better option than FOles going into year 4, 3rd year in chips offense… Even if you draft a QB you think will be better, he still won’t be able to beat out Nick next year
agree :(.
Aesthetically, this is a bad game, already.
Two shades of red?!? More like the Clash Bowl, amirite?!?
That’s really not a joke. That, too.
Watching this game, don’t know why but it reminded me of Adrian Hubbard. What ever happened to that “Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” OLB?
I think we should start looking at Erik Dargan from Oregon. Making a ton of plays for the Ducks in a big game. Size, leadership, ball skills, from Oregon. Sounds like a Chip guy.
funny we didn’t go after ducks defensive guys, kiko alonso, etc.
We had some on the practice squad.
Dion was off the board before we picked.
We had Kendricks and Meco, we weren’t going to take Kiko at pick 35.
We took Taylor Hart.
The only other drafted Ducks in the last 2 years are Boyett who was coming off a knee injury, and has been arrested a couple times for being a drunken idiot, and Terrance Mitchell who isn’t with the team that drafted him.
Dallas let go of MItchell? They have some nerve with their crappy corners lol
I like him a lot, especially in the round 4-5 range where we like to draft DBs… 5’11 like 212lbs.. Def has that playmaking gene…anyone know if he is any good in man to man coverage? If not, kiss him goodbye.
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Devin Smith from Ohio Stl candidate to replace DESEAN as our Deep Ball WR… Has the size Desean lacked, 6’1 195
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Arie Kouandijo Bama, Hroniss Grasu, Matias FSU.. 3 Quality Athletic Guard options for us
I’m.gonna have to watch A LOT of Smith
Good hands do… Didmt look it up, I assume they are big
He looks slow, but we’ll see at the combine.
Add Devin Smith to your lists of possible deep ball WR to replace DESEAN, 6’1 195, size that DESEAN lacked… Won’t be picked as high as Sammie Coates
I’d take devin Smith over Coates all day long
You better not let Mitchell hear you say that
I thought he wanted Quinten Rollins in rd ?
Seriously though i posted about Devin Smith before this game started. He really reminds me of ODB. Smith is going to be an explosive weapon in the NFL
I like Huff and think he could be an awesome weapon, but we shouldn’t even still have to worry about our deep threat with Martevius s BRyant and John Brown both available when we took Huff….. Fortunately Huff lookslike he has a chance to be very good
You’d be wrong and I wanted Trae Waynes in round 1 and Coates in 2. Honestly though, I have watched literally zero of Smith. I’m having fun watching him now.
To me Coates is a guy with unlimited potential that will never come close to reaching it. He drops to many passes and never dominates.
Devin Smith will go in Round 1. You heard it here first
I didn’t see him drop too many passes. He made more great grabs than drops. You can’t dominate when you are dealing with injuries all year.
Jaylen Collins will be a better CB than Trae IMO
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Smith can play… Might not even make it out of round two.
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I’m having fun watching #77 LG Bama, Arie Kouandijo
I’m glad I’m not the only one in love with Collins and Carter I’m telling you know I think Collins will be in play for 20
Definitely… He won’t last past #25… Carter you might be able to get in round 2. Collins my fav corner prospect since Trufant in 2013
Shame I didn’t talk to you back then cuz I adored Trufant
I am afraid of carter because we will need whatever CB we draft to contribute and stanford has that stupid rule that sets all of the prospects back as rookies.
I assume Cary and Nolan start in September. I despise all rookie CBs
I want Cary gone, so i think a FA and nolan will start. My problem is if there is an injury. I like carter a lot and he has a lot of experience at the position so it may not be a big deal. I just have a problem with the rule kore than anything
I always tallk about how much I hate that damn stanford graduation crap
I am really high on Eric Rowe, CB from Utah. I think he would be an excellent 2nd round pick. As of now I’d love to see something like:
1) devin smith
2) eric rowe
3) anthony harris
Anthony Harris is my dude…future Eagles safety right there’s,,
I like Eric Rowe and harris as well although and would be totally fine with those picks, except I think it would be Harris then Rowe.
Its so hard to prohect where guys will go this far out.
I am just assuming rowe shows up very well at the senior bowl. I value CB more than S so I have him ahead of harris
Lol, I know, its pretty much irrevelant to try and place people now. All I know is Rowe looks pretty damn good and I would love to have him.
1) Jaylen Collins
2) Trade up for Erik Kendrick or Benardrick McKinney which ever falls to the 2nd
3) Anthony Harris,
4) trade up back into end of round 3 for TY Montgomery 😉
I seriously doubt Ben gets to the second
Doubt either does… But Shaq,McKinney and Kemdricks can’t All go in round 1.. Plus there is the ILB from TCU, Denzel from miami..
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Heck, I don’t mind trading next years first for another first rounder to get Ben or Kemdricks
He’s another over rated dude. I see nothing special about him whatsoever.
Big kid, wait til you see what a freak athlete he is at the combine. Size to be a thumper against the run, freak athleticism to also drop and cover, big athletic 6’5 3-down ILB
I’m with you. I like Kendricks as the top guy.
I really like Damien Wilson from Minnesota who can be had on day 3. He couldnt start right away, but he has all the tools.
I can’t imagine Erik KEndricks being available, and the Eagles draft a different ILB…. It would shock me if we passed on him for another ILB
I’d be surprised too but it’ll be interesting to see how tall he is listed
Same assume Mykal, 5’11 ish…. Height don’t matter much at ILB…. IF we don’t want him, I assume it’s because they want someone heavier to replace Meco… But I think we will want Kendricks. Hope atleast
Basically what Geagle said…like him and Baby Ken
Why do you say Collins is better?
I like him better too, athletic with nice size and speed ,good in man coverage and pretty physical. Did well against your boy Sammie
Watched him play so much bump n run, such a fluid corner, 6’2, almost 200lbs, long arms… Have a feeling he lights up the combine..
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My fav corner since desmond Trufant came out in the Lane draft… I like Trae, think he is better than grabby Darquez Dennard, I just think Collins is the top corner in this draft, besides the marcus peters HEADCASE of course…
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Curious to see Trae and Jaylon at the combine
He is very fluid but there is no aggression in his game. He gets blow of the ball by blockers, doesn’t have much presence in the run game and doesn’t have the playmaking ability like Waynes. While I think he will go early I don’t think it will be the first. I think mid second. Marcus Peters and even P.J. Williams would be great if Peters didn’t get kicked out of school and Williams wasn’t a criminal.
I don’t really like Lippett, I share your thoughts
I was talking about Collins.
-_- oops lol I thought you were talking about not liking Lippett much
I agree though. He got beat a bunch today. First time I’ve seen him play though.
Now that I read what you said about Collins may I show what he did to your boy Sammie 😉
Go for it.
Oh….well I wasn’t serious 😛
Huh? lol. Idk what is going on. All I know is Sammie has gone off against LSU the past 2 years. However, in the one game I watched, Collins did play him well. I would not be upset at all if we take Collins because he is a clear upgrade on what we have but I prefer Waynes because of his playmaking ability. Honestly though I like A LOT of dbs this year and the degree between my preferences toward one player or another is not very large.
Just so you know I like Wayne and wouldn’t mind him at all
Rewatching some of his vids. Doesn’t seem to grabby at all.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kurtis-drummond-vs-western-michigan-2013/
Start watching at 2:00. I realize this isn’t Waynes.
Drummond got abused today though
They all got abused. Not a good game from the little I saw. How did Waynes look?
I thought Wayne’s look good he was on an island being ignored for a while, Goodley got one redzome grab on him but it was one of those back shoulder passes that are hard to defend. One drive Cannon straight up abused Wayne’s but besides that drive Wayne’s looked good overall
Im excited to see Tony Lippett play CB at the Senior bowl. He’ll never be an elite WR, but could be a Sherman type CB
Good call.. You know pete Carroll will be watching closely
I watched him get beat a lot today. Tired from playing both sides of the ball?
Chip’s watching his team advance to national championship game while he’s dealing with high school drama like power struggle with howie. Wonder what’s going through his head at this exact moment
qbs matter
The same things that went through his head while he was helping build the other programs that didn’t have immediate National Title success?
Exactly. UNH made the national semi’s. Hopkins has won the league like 7 years running, and made the final 16. Nobody is pointing to them an going “oh boy I bet he wishes he could go back there”
There is no way osu will score enough points to win this game
Nope, wish J T was out there
I beg to differ.
this is depressing we need to make the playoffs next year — it’s too early to be talking about college
I always talk college its just depressing watching the playoffs this weekend with no Iggles
One hell of a punter Alabama has.
osu qb is raw but has a huge arm
And he’s the 3rd stringer, got a lot of QBs down there
bama dbs getting roasted
You can be an absolute idiot, and if you’ve got the arm of Cardale Jones, you can still make it…
And if you think Joe Webb, I’ll just point you to Logan Thomas, cooling his heels in the NFL…
With Ryan Freakin’ Lindley starting.
Well he certainly won’t be accused of being a mensa member
http://deadspin.com/5949274/ohio-states-third-string-quarterback-aint-come-to-play-school
….. Come on. Are some people really this stupid?
Apparently he has a 3.0 GPA, though I’m not sure how legit it is.
Yeh, his favorite class is basket weaving……
“Football smart” is different than “regular smart”… Dan Marino isn’t exactly a genius but he was an amazing QB
Ok I want Devon Smith 😛
Darron lee, in a couple of years
Seems like the prototype for this offense
Considering I assume the WR we are missing is a long ball threat, I’m sure Devon will be high on our draft board. Replace Deseans deep threat, but unlike DESEAN, he brings 6’1 almost 200lb frame…
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Really good deep ball WR, really solid hands(I assume they are big).. Excellent body control, seen in guys like ODB
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Devon is also a high character, WORKaHOLIC who lives for this game. Like a Jordan Mathews type commitment to football excellence and work ethic… You know he will be really high on the Eagle WR wish list
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Le’Veon Bell, who this season became the first player in NFL history to top 2,200 yards from scrimmage without fumbling
second round pick
I know you said every Duck is a potential target, but how about safety Erick Dargan? 7 interceptions on the year, and he had a couple of nice PDs vs Florida State. Looked like a physical tackler, but maybe a tad undersized at 5’11 205.
He seemed to be in the right place with a lot of solid hits.
His name alone screams for success.
Considering we seem to like drafting DB’s in the 4th-5th rd range, and Dargan is slated to go in that area, I def wouldnt rule out drafting him…
But I think we will try to draft Virginias Anthony Harris in the 2nd or 3rd, because he is pretty dman solid at playing man to man defense…
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If we are going to draft Dargan, he has to have man to man coverage skills, and I don’t know if he does or not… But in our scheme. Doubt we ever see a safety that can’t be trusted to play man to man against a slot or a TE, because it seems to be a priority for us, so that teams can’t d what the saints did to us in playoffs, force us to play Nickel and run on us… They were only able to do that to us, because Chung didn’t have the man to man coverage ability that we now enjoy with Jenkins back there…
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Someone needs to go thru all the safety prospects and figure out which can play man to man and fit in our scheme, and which can’t, consequently won’t be drafted by the Eagles, like Landon Collins for example
Lot of safeties that can play man to man out there Geags. I’m telling you, it looks like a really good safety class. Derron Smith, Kurtis Drummond, you like Harris,
Going back to previous topic — we have not clue what happened. The only thing we can wonder is — where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Very few people know what happened but there’s enough smoke to know something isn’t right. I agree with T-Law, this isn’t viewed as a positive move.
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I also agree with comment about last years draft. I thought it stunk. With that said — I also think that if you find 1 solid to very good player in a draft, it’s a success. I think we have a very good WR, who has the potential to be a player the other offenses scheme against. He’s not megatron or AJ, but from the looks of it, he’ll be a fan favorite.
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The jury is out with the first pick. There were never any good reports about him and how he’s progressing. Sometimes it takes a year or two to get ready for the nfl. Maybe the measuring of the wrists is wrong on him? Nobody knows, but right now, there’s nobody writing(or quoting) to look out for this guy in the next year or so. No smoke here.
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Huff, we can argue all you want, he’s a nice player and that’s it. Not spectacular. Hoping he’s a nice compliment. As a 3rd round pick, I was hoping for someone with more impact – besides as a return guy.
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Whatever your thoughts on the draft or the players are — something happened within the organization to cause enough friction to fire someone at the top of the chain. It’s never a good sign to have a HC and GM at odds. Never. Here’s to hoping this is a minor tiff and it goes away.
Jim Schwartz >>> Billy D.
can’t go back to the wide 9
Lol, yeah that was a wild thought I gotta admit. Maybe I just want to upgrade Billy Davis by any means.
He’s not that bad, just been mediocre with mediocre talent. We have plenty of bad to be desperate about. Like that terrible secondary that off-set our very good front.
The talent in the secondary needs to be upgraded before we can really judge. He took a bunch of young players, and 4-3 lifers, switched them to the 3-4 and has made them into one of the best front 7 in league. Have to give credit to that.
yea, i’m really on the fence with Billy D, but he deserves some real credit for getting that front 7 to play at a pretty high level this year, improving upon last year, and transitioning most of these guys from the 4-3.
When there has been some kind of talent he has made the best out of it. Mathews is even playing decent football, but i think that has alot to do with the 2 gapping in front of him. I think it also has alot to do with confidence. Allen has played his best since his rookie year, although he still needs to go. You cant teach instincts. For the most part our secondary is devoid of talent. You cant maximize something if there is nothing there to maximize.
Absolute terrible idea.
He would want to switch back to a 4-3. 3-4 stays, you have the personnel for it.
Anyone know if there is a website I can use, to easily look up all the defensive schemes each top college team runs?
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I ask because I wish someone in our media put in the work to provide fans with a valuable draft tool, a write up of the 15 top safety prospect, and 15 top corner prospects, and tell fans, which safeties have been asked to play a lot of man coverage in college(which a safety has to be able to do to get drafted by the Eagles) and tell us which corners played the most bump n run in college?
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For example, I know that Virginia safety Anthony Harris will be high on the Eagles draft board because he is a quality safety who also has plenty of man to man ability, but a guy like Landon Collins won’t even be considered by the Eagles because he will spend most of his time in the box or blitzing like Bama’s Mark Barron.
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Knowing which DBs best fit our scheme and which clearly don’t would be so a valuable draft tool for fans, unfortunately that would require way too much work for our media, why do work when they can write Gossipy stories, or keep running their mouth about needing to solve the QB issue, as if there is anyway to get a QB who will give us a better chance to win next year, than FOles going into year 4, 3rd year in THS offense…
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wiki has a list for nfl, 34 vs 43. not sure about collage or how detailed it’d be.
GE, for all the work you put into your posts, you could probably have your own blog and be successful. Look how much appetite there is for Eagles talk/info. Just make sure to focus on a specific niche and not overlap with the Tommy’s/Sheils/Jimmy’s, etc.
I dunno… I put zero research into all my posts. If I have to research a topic to blog about it, It would make more sense for me to do a blog…. But every post I write is off the top of my head, it’s just like a debate for me. If I had to research or worry about grammar and paragraph structure, this probably wouldn’t be fun for me… I just like the talking football part, I would never want to deal with admin BS
“I put zero research into all my posts”
You said it, not me.
LOL Inquire says Barkley might ask for a trade this summer. bwahahah who does he think he is? It’s almost as funny as Kurt Cousins wants to be traded after destroying hs stock this year and finishing the year behind Bob Griffin and Colt McCoy LOL
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As if anyone is giving up a damn for these QBs when there are comperable fee agents available… Why would I give the Eaglea a draft pick for bArkley, when I can sign the QB that beat out barkley this year, Mark Sanchez for cheap?
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Lol trade Barkley to the Browns for Josh Gordon hahahahah! Let Barkley and Johnny Manziel cage fight for the starting QB spot each week
Barkley for Cousins?
I think barkley is a great number 3 non-active qb.
Lane, Darren,Peters, Kelce, Mathis, Kendricks, Cox, Barwin all got all pro votes
I can never tell if it actually means anything. Or if pro bowl [and all pro] votes lag performance by one season.
A:
Think about some of the goofy stories about the Eagles by so-called “National Writers” that we kick to the curb every week as uninformed.
All Pro teams are voted on by:
– the Associated Press . . . i.e., writers around the country in NFL cities who cover the NFL for the AP
– Pro Football Writers Ass’n . . . more NFL writers, including “national writers” like Peter King
– The Sporting News . . . more local and national writers.
How on earth do these people know the 22 best players around the NFL who’re playing great week in and week out?
There are exceptions among the players — like Watt, Brady, and Rodgers. (And a handful of others, I suppose.)
Sometimes, a great SNF/MNF football performance by a player on a good team will project him into the All Pro conversation.
That’s what happened for Eagles’ OLB Seth Joyner in 1991 on MNF in the “House of Pain” game against Houston. After that, Joyner popped up — rightfully and over-due — on All Pro teams until 1996.
Other times, “it’s right place, right time.” And then, you get a reputation that can become self-sustaining, as long as you play pretty good football.
For example, Browns’ LOT Joe Thomas was an All Pro his rookie season of 2007, when the Brown made the playoffs, and every year since.
Every year, deserving guys miss out to players with “reps.”
No right answer, I suppose.
Respectfully, how does Lane Johnson get an All Pro vote?
Maybe if All Pro votes were separately cast for LOTs and ROTs. But that’s not how it’s done.
Could we not be nearly as good as we think we are? Is the year basically the same as last year except that Tony Romo wasn’t hurt at the end of the season. Gotta wonder if Romo plays week 17 if we make the playoffs.
Can a team that doesn’t play ball control win at the pro level? Or does it put too much pressure on the QB?
Can a non-power running team win in the playoffs? Looking at Pats, Ravens, GB, Denver, SEA (basically every contender) they all have big boy backs that can get lots of yards after contact. They are great at the goal line and 3rd down and ball control.
OR is it not the offense at all, is it that the defense is terrible? Is our game plan to win shootouts but our D is so bad that we get beat at our own game?
All questions that are worth asking. We shouldn’t be “sky is falling,” but there are plenty of question marks.
We are a solid above average team, that almost every team in the NFL should worry about playing, however we have enough holes that we could not beat the elite unless we played a perfect game on O, D, and ST. I think with how sloppy we played 10-6 is a very accurate accounting of what level of team we really are.
yes we might not have beaten Romo but if Rogers plays in Lambaue we wouldn’t even have had the chance to win the division against Orton!
cut the number of turnovers down and i think this is a pretty good team.
@D3FB (and other draftniks)
If you’d be so kind as to offer your thoughts on Pitt OT T.J. Clemmings and his potential fit or unfit with the Eagles…
Good size, physical, awesome run blocker, pretty athletic probably not a plug in play guy right away though
Raw, due to being switched from DL a couple years ago, but super intriguing. He’s inconsistent. Problem is I think he profiles as a T only. I don’t think he has the power to play guard. I have a 2nd round grade on him but I’ve only watched a couple of tapes, and Senior Bowl could move him up.
Many thanks.
People laughed at me when I was openly wondering if Chip would be leaving Philly after next season. Well now this scenario could become true much sooner.
no way
I guess time will tell. But there’s lots of smoke right now….
Anything is possible but i don’t see it. I don’t think he has an out in his contract (be interesting to know). We might as well shoot ourselves if he walks — look at SF and Buffalo.
exactly, even if it could happen I would be really bummed
Which would make the Desean release look even more stupid in hindsight.
Kelly doesn’t need an out to terminate the contract. Only question is whether he is owed any money by “walking away” (or breech by Eagles) and what if any non-compete type of clause exists.
Yeah i’m sure he can resign without good reason (or maybe firing of Gamble could be good reason)?
Now we know you’re to blame.
I am ready to take the heat just like when Jimmy Kempski posted his DeSean article back then.
If you were Lurie, who would you rather choose to remain with the Eagles:
Howie or Chippah?
This should be rhetorical question (although from reading some posts here the answer seems otherwise) without a doubt Kelly.
This question is dumb, doesnt matter what we would do if we are Lurie, when we already know exactly who Lurie will side with
A teacher once told me that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
Then your teacher was a fuckin idiot 😉
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Asking questions we already know the answer to is…..F it, call it whatever you want.
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Howie has the full backing of Lurie
Would your perception of my teacher change if I asked the fans directly who’d they prefer, making my subtle initial thought/intention more clearer to some pupils?!
So,ethimg really big is happening down at Novacare, and my gut says we won’t be too happy
What is it?
Hopefully it gets resolved…
This is not good….
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 39m39 minutes ago
Plugged-in league source senses there could be “something big” going on in Philly in the aftermath of Tom Gamble’s departure.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
It would be perfect if the Eagles trade Chip Kelly to the 49ers.
lol i feel like everyone has read one guy making a report about “something big might be happening” and the rest of the media world has just taken off running with it.
(not saying that something is or is not going to happen, its just really odd right now)
Well…
Something DID happen. Tom Gamble got fired.
And no one thinks thats a good thing with regard to Chip.
Men and their egos….
If Chip + Howie could respectively check theirs, this team would be in great shape. Alas….
Possibly something big is simply the hiring of Gamble’s successor?
There’s only one way to come out of this organisational mess for Lurie:
Keep Chip, fire Howie and replace him with Bill Polian.
No chance
Bill Polian is over 70 correct? That’s a tough age to walk into a mess and have to fix in a short time. Lots of sleepless nights, long days, lots of traveling, etc. I think he’s happy as a commentator, much less stress.
He just turned down a GM job the other day, to stay with his TV Gig
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LURIE will never fire Howie. That’s his guy
Think it was bills and it was over $$. I think Bill could be considered but no way howie goes anywhere.
The same Bill Polian who built the Colts roster that went 2-14 without Manning, and was exposed as truly awful.
He may have changed, but I don’t know many 70+ people that want to take on a new challenge and be committed to the long term.
I worry about people’s commitment long term and I don’t think this guy has it. Knowing this though, makes me not like him more.
yeah i mean Polian says stuff like it’s gospel but he was basically there are the right time to grab a QB — then had a team that underperformed every year.
Darren DeGaetano @DarrenDegaetano 10m10 minutes ago
Let me state, it was a source that works for team. Not saying it will happen, but things look bumpy within team. #Eagles
Darren DeGaetano @DarrenDegaetano 20m20 minutes ago
I have been told #Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has expressed interest in getting out of his contract.
Chris B. Brown @smartfootball 1m1 minute ago
This Chip Kelly stuff is wild. He’s not known as being always easy to deal with, but things have really escalated quickly with GM Roseman
Eric Edholm @Eric_Edholm 1m1 minute ago
Was given impression that Tom Gamble departure might have bigger repercussions … but Chip Kelly possibly leaving? Fascinating speculation.
Maybe he’s going to Tampa!!! AAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
If this ends in any way that doesn’t involve Chip staying here, or at a minimum being traded for something like two 1st round picks and a couple of 3rds, things are gonna go downhill realllllly fast in Eagles country.
I have to agree. And if Lurie continues to think we could win the super bowl with Howie instead he better get the fuck out of town too.
A-men. I will RIOT if he leaves over this!
I’m a chip guy, Id be crushed if we lose him today, but from my understanding Of this entire situation, I can’t blame Howie for what’s going on.
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Toxic environment at Novacare, was covered up by the best Deoderant in the world…WINNING! Collapse happens, and the dirty Laundry comes out.
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Really hope we don’t lose Chip. But I don’t care how fucking great he is, he needs to have more respect for the General Manager position than to just call him a cap guy publically
This can’t be just about that comment. It’s silly if it is.
It’s not just about a comment, this was all about Howie not having the power he was intended to have, because Gamble would always side with the coaches, and the scouting department was being ignored….
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ok but fixing that imbalance shouldn’t be enough for Chip to want out. That’s kind of childish.
Part of the deal was that Chip was getting the talent evaluator he wanted.. Two years later we fire him? Doubt chip expected that when he took the job.
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One thing I have learned that could be good and bad, is chip allegedly has no patienfe for BS. He is all about Tunnel vision trying to win a Super Bowl and has no patience at all for any nonsense and drama….
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This isn’t a situation that just began Monday, it has been festering for a while, and winning was just hiding the stench
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Hopefully they can work it out and coexist…. But howie will still be here, whenever chip decides to leave
I hope it doesn’t get to that. Sometimes problems in organizations happen because of groupthink. Reid had the same issue. I like the fact Roseman and Chip’s philosophies are divergent. It should keep both of them grounded as long as things are going well.
That’s for any large organization to keep diversity, because groupthink can be a bad thing. And diversity here doesn’t mean race, but thought.
Absolutely…. A bunch of yes men helps no one…
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People don’t realize it. But coaches and GMs fight ALOT! Think about it, Coaches have Big Egos, they all believe in THEIR WAY, and the GMs are like the only people that a coach hears the word NO from..
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You can bet it’s not uncommon for GMs and coaches to have Rocky relationships legue wide… Hopefully we can survive this
“I like the fact Roseman and Chip’s philosophies are divergent.”
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What exactly is Roseman’s philosphy?
Or Kelly’s?
How are they different? Or not?
They probably both want to win. A totally uninformed outsider, such as all the folks here, might think that Roseman probably is concerned with getting players the coach prefers, but within budgetary constraints, while Kelly would prefer to ignore budget constraints, if only he could. Other concerns, such as the personnel department could get caught in the middle sometimes.
I don’t know either philosophy, but obviously they are both different. That would explain the friction. No, I’m not an insider, but I think it’s clear they are different and approach things differently.
I’m just remarking that I think any strong organization will have differing views protecting itself from an issue of groupthink.
this better not be really happening.
we need Chip. period.
and we need him happy.
And I thought the days of refreshing my twitter feed every 30 sec (a la Djacc last year) were over now that I thought we had a solid organization…
I’m not on the Twitters, so I’m counting on you all to tell me what happens, when it does.
Every time some hot story is circulating the Philly sports media the journalism student in me recoils in revulsion at the lack of ethics on display. Just complete and total failure to perform even the simplest of journalistic duties. It’s almost National Enquirer-esque.
Why? The Eagles are making this a storm by simply not saying a word. It is actually in their duty to have all options on the table. And frankly everything is on the table right now. Do not blame our reporters or the national ones, blame the Eagles.
That… is so completely far from anything to do with ethics in journalism, its almost a non-sequitar.
I heard that Lurie kills puppies in his spare time. That’s why he got divorced a couple years ago. WHY WONT THE TEAM COMMENT!!!!?
So you do not mind they way they have handled this and Djacc situation?
Jimmy wrote an article trying to read the tea leaves in early March. He said in the article that he was simply speculating, and he had no sources. That article was taken as gospel for a full month, before Djax was cut.
I have no problem with how either situation was handled. OMG! A front office guy was fired! He was escorted out of the building like basically anyone anywhere is fired. I’ve never seen an article saying “Camp body was cut on the final day of roster cutdowns, he was escorted out of the building by the Turk!!! That means there’s a big problem!”
What Jimmy did is exactly what reporters are doing now, right? I’m not saying I agree with what the reporters are doing I am just saying they are doing to their knowledge their job. Everyone is trying to read the tea leaves as you say and are making their guesses. But all I am saying is the Eagles could have stopped this if they want.
A high profile organization with a high profile coach who some in the media like and some do not have to have known this was going to be spun in a variety of ways.
I just find it all very interesting that reporters get thrown all together and thrown under the bus.
Except Jimmy wrote like a 4000 word article, based off of cap numbers, and comments made by Chip and Howie about balancing resources spent on each position. The media is currently just tweeting “i’m hearing things from people that maybe something is happening” for the sake of page views.
The philly beats would get a pass from me if they didn’t write conjecture related bull consistently, pass it off as fact, and then never cop to it.
there seems to be a lot of “hey look at what this guy said” and “lots of reports about ….” type of articles going up too, which really don’t add any useful information to the mix, but only drive pageviews and confusion.
Ok, I agree with you on that.
Unfortunately, after a reporter has been doing the same job for a few years, he/she gets bored writing the same things over and over. Especially once they realize that the only reason they have a job is to sell advertising. Then it becomes easier to write “where there’s smoke there’s fire” stories. Or even invent the smoke, based on some casual comment from some stranger at the same urinal. I worked for several years at a large daily newspaper, The ethics were in short supply in any department.
Yes, I’m fully aware… but seeing it so bald faced makes me doubt my future in journalism at times. Fortunately my specialty and interest lies in areas where ethics wouldn’t need to be weighed against selling advertising as much, but it is disheartening.
Don’t give up. There should still be some quality opportunities out there. Might have to start small though. Btw, 24/7 is looking for an intern right now.
Saw that, but unfortunately I am going to be living abroad this spring so that wouldn’t work (unless they let me telecommute from South America).
I’m not about to give up, I’ve invested too much time and energy into it at this point, but it is daunting.
One last thing. There is nothing wrong with running a business hoping to make a profit. That is capitalism after all. Salaries and the lease must be paid after all. I just hate that the making of lots of money has overtaken almost everything else. All the best in your endeavours.
I’m pretty sure they don’t have editors anymore, just SEO experts.
Sounds about right. Have some guy stream of consciousness 500-1000 words into an article, pass it along to the SEO guy, publish, repeat.
The dude that started this has like 600 followers, so we should probably chill out. I have more followers for god’s sake, that’s like nothing.
With that said, there’s enough smoke that Lurie or Howie or Chip should really consider saying something.
they were silent during djax they’ll be silent now. I have to say though, Eagles usually surprise me in a good way with moves. Like getting Chip Kelly.
The next big moves after cutting DJax were:
1. Signing Sanchez.
2. Extending Cooper.
Cooper was extended at the end of Feb.
Sanchez was signed March 27.
Djax cut March 28.
Thanks.
Thought the Cooper date was wrong (hence, the “or not”)
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Sanchez signing announced same day as D-Jax release.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Sign-QB-Mark-Sanchez/05ad29c2-a53b-4690-8c1a-c256fbf7f7cf
Are we sure that Lurie doesn’t own a stake in twitter? It’s help explain all the drama.
Who was the poster that said he deals with the media a lot, and didn’t Neccessarily believe that there was a rift or didn’t believe gamble being escorted out was a Big deal?
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Let me explain something. I despise our media, but they aren’t making this up.
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This 100% IS NOT a question about Gamble leaving because he got a better offer. if Tom Gamble wasnt committing to us, and this was a question about gamble preparing to leave us for another job, this would be an amicable split, because if Tom Gamble leaves us to take a promotion, it actually reflects well on Howie. it’s a feather in Howie’s hat that people working under him are branching out and gettng promotions league wide. It would make Howie look good if Gamble was leaving to get a GM promotion… For Howie to have FIRED HIM, ruins all that…. And you can bet that if Tom Gamble gets a GM job with the Jets or some ofther team, we will watch closely and see what kind of Job Gamble does. If he builds up a team like the Jets,and does an impressive job, it would reflect poorly on Howie for firing him. if Gamble does a crappy job, Howie will have made the right move…
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I hate our media, and most of the time they are innacurate, but they aren’t making this up… In no way can this situation be looked at as a positive, unless Chip and Howie can get passed this and go on to work together for years…
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If Howie wins this power struggle, whch he will win…and we can keep chip kelly, stripping the coaches of some player personel power IMO is a good thing. Head coaches that have too much power rarely work, and Howie has done real well scouting lately ATleast with the players we know he was responsible for
Where there’s smoke, there’s usually a fire.
I not sure what the issue is behind the scenes, but I agree that Chip should focus on coaching and Howie focus on drafting and salary cap.
Re: Roseman’s 2012 Draft
Several problems with this myth:
ONE . . . the first time we heard Roseman was wholly responsible for drafting the 2012 class was AFTER the firing of Andy Reid.
Smacks of post-hoc justification for the 2011 draft.
TWO . . . Lurie is “Mr. 3 Years” when it comes to draft evaluation. But once he first Reid after 2012, Lurie promptly concluded the 2011 and 2010 drafts were sub-standard — and called the 2012 draft much better.
Totally contradicting himself . . . but scapegoating Reid and elevating Roseman.
THREE . . . Lurie’s mentioned a couple times his “detailed notes” about who allegedly thought what about all the drafts.
Fair to say the Eagles’ drafts from 2003-2011 were uneven and generally disappointing.
But Roseman became GM in 2010. If Lurie’s story about “following” his notes were all he claims, why would he wait to give Roseman full control until 2012? Makes little sense.
Moreover, Reid had final say under his contract over all football decisions — including the draft — in 2012, as he did previously. Yet Lurie trumpets Roseman for the 2012 draft and all but publicly blames Reid for what came before. Again, only AFTER firing Reid.
FOUR . . . during his tenure, Reid was never an “I” guy — unless the subject was organizational missteps and failures, in which case he took full responsibility. Reid never blamed anyone but himself. On the other hand, he had no problem tossing bouquets to others in the organization for successes.
When walking out the door, very amicably after the 2012 season, Reid said nothing about the draft being in good hands with Roseman. To the contrary, Reid’s remained starkly (and classily) silent about the whole subject since Lurie dropped his story about 2012.
FIVE . . . if Roseman was so good at drafting in 2012, after years of failure in Lurie’s view, then — WHY ON EARTH WOULD LURIE LET KELLY TAKE CONTROL OF THE DRAFT EITHER AFTER JUST HIRING HIM OR ONE SEASON AT 10-6. Doesn’t add up.
BOTTOM LINE . . . I don’t buy the myth of 2012 that Lurie’s sold the public. The timing was far too convenient. Lurie’s so-called “assessment” of the 2012 draft — after 7 months — violated his own evaluation standards (so he says).
And letting Kelly take control doesn’t add up, either.
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The truth about the 2012 draft is as murky as everything else that goes on at Nova Care.
Accepting at face value what Lurie said is fool’s gold — especially when other statements contradict that conveniently timed disclosure.
Yeah he wanted to “cleanse” his GM for the new administration. But Kelly sees roseman as a cap guy, most people do. Kelly had a lot of bargaining power so to me it’s not surprising that Lurie would have to give Kelly full reins even after 2012 draft.
But you are right the story looks funny in the light at this point.
I can not disagree with a single word you wrote. And I don’t even care to debate if Howie is a good talemt evaluator or not, but I do KNOW that I do t agree with coaches having too much power. rarely has a coach who also functioned as a GM been successful, a lot of times. Good coaches start to fail when they put on the GM hat…. I don’t care if Howie’s call, or rIck Muellers, Marnowitz, whatever…. I Am not comfortable with chip having absolute personel power,which he clearly had if Gamble never sided with the scouting department..
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AND CLEARLY Howie has accumulated a bunch of examples of chip and Gamble ignoring Howie and the scouts Imput, resulting in failure, or they would have never attempted the power struggle at this point… Clearly mistakes have been made, that we didn’t have to make had we not ignored our scouting department…
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I’m not pro Howie power, Imjust against HEADCoach with ABSOLUTE Power
While I don’t believe this to be a positve situation, and would much rather not be dealing with this… It’s also important to understand that it’s really not all Coombaya league wide between coaches and their general managers. It’s not as bad as Harbaugh and Baalke. But Head coaches and GMs league wide argue ALOT. They disagree ALOT…. It’s the nature of the coach/GM relationship…. GM is the only member of the organization that tells the coach “NO” from time to time…
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harbaugh and Ozzie Mewsome in Baltimore, john snyder and Pete Carrol, it’s not always coombaya at all… GMs and coaches legue wide get hto it from time to time…. Hopefully we can get passed this.
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Winning, starting off 9-3 was enough for these men to coexist even if their relationship Ws getting Rocky. Hopefully 3 losses, a press conference comment, a firing of Gamble, ISNT enough to ruin all the good we have built in two years
John Middlekauff is a blowhard, but he has legitimate sources:
John Middlekauff @JohnMiddlekauff 1m1 minute ago
Talked to many sources over the last 24 hours, the message has NOT changed – Chip Kelly is going nowhere
part of me wants to believe that this is all just a really elaborate Chip Kelly Media Troll, starting early in 2015.
John Middlekauff
@JohnMiddlekauff
3m3 minutes ago
Talked to many sources over the last 24 hours, the message has NOT changed – Chip Kelly is going nowhere
If Howie wins some power back, and we get to keep chip for a few more years, I think that would really be a good thing
I don’t really care about the power we need better talent and if we can’t get talent then it doesn’t matter who is coaching really. We’re in one of the easier divisions in the league right now.
I hope Gamble didn’t want to spend moeny and Howie was like hells no.
You realize the power is directly connected to TALENT?
I see what you’re saying, but we honestly don’t know who is good at evaluating talent. He had one good draft and we think that was Howie b/c Laurie said so, but what incentive does he have to be 100% honest? or if his perception is reality?
The core of this issue is pretty simple. LURIE set up a power share, with checks and balances… Whenever chip and Howie disagreed on a situation, gamble’s OPPINION was the tie breaker. gamble worked with the scouting department, he is second in command to Howie, yet Gamble would always side with the Coaches and the scouting department started to feel useless.
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If Howeis #2, ALWAYS sides with the coaches, and never sides with Howie and the scouts, then Howie didn’t have the power he was supposed to have
And now LaConfora has chimed in with “Oregon” sources saying how Chip definitely wants out. *Circus music starts playing*
JLC is a tool, but for the sake of balanced information:
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
5m5 minutes ago
Back at Oregon people have heard how upset Chip Kelly is and how he wants
out of Philly w/3yrs left on his deal, can he rattle enuff chains?
Tim McManus
@Tim_McManus
My understanding is that there is a move forthcoming, but it doesn’t involve the departure of either Kelly or Roseman.
Thanks for this. Even the question that Kelly could move means (a) we’re crazy for reading too much into a non-story or (b) our FO is all kinds of fucked up.
Davis?
We can all hope…
No way, he has done a much better job than dumb simple fans realize
Mmmh, like sticking with Fletcher through thick and thin? Or his genius of in-game adjs? billy d is who is: an average DC at best. And history proves this.
I have made piece with tthe fact that you just ARENT going to get it…so have at it
I heard the same thing…. Something is going on at Novacare, non chip related
Another move? Maybe give Kelly another guy he wants to make nice for firing Gamble? I know Kelly has some ties to Greg Roman. Billy Davis gone? Start the speculation.
Twitter…iggles blitz….twitter…..iggles blitz…twitter….iggles blitz…
Im 5 hours ahead of you guys… cant risk going to bed in case something happens and i need to vent
They got us by the balls.
Who would have thought that the Cowboys with Jerry Jones and the Eagles with Howie Roseman would be moving in opposite directions…?! #sickinmystomach
The Cowboys are a house of cards. Romo or Murray goes down, that team disappears. The Iggles won ten games despite bad injury luck.
Just a temporary situation.
Is Tommy waiting to open a new thread with a big bang?
Stay tuned. Tommy is making a BIG move. My sources say it is another article…could be football related…
LOL – well played sir!
Glad the adults in the media are starting to chime in.
Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 14s14 seconds ago
Chip Kelly doesn’t play media game. Only few know his thinking. That said, from what I can gather, talk of leaving is speculation right now.
https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/551123125639720960
Yep. He’s a blowhard, but at least has real sources.
Yea he can be a bit silly at times, but I attribute that to him being a talk radio show host now. If anyone is having genuine conversatioins with people in the front office it’s Middlekauf who is friends with alot of these guys, not local beats.
Plus Kelly was the one who let him go. If anyone has an ax to grind with him, Middlekauf qualifies, and he’s not.
2 weeks ago: Chip sucks! His offense is stoopid and has been figured out! Chip doesn’t answer questions the way I want him to! Football is about Time of Possession! He doesn’t make players tough enough and they were mentally weak! Get him out of here, he’s Kotite! Get me a DEFENSIVE COACH LIKE BUDDY!!!! Thats how you win in this city!!! Chip got rid of DJAX. Hold people accountable! FIre Chip! Fire Billy D!
Today: OMG! Not Gamble! His contributions, despite the opaquness of the front office and roles, was key, we’re screwed without him! You know what, Roseman is a snake who is ruining everything. It’s all his fault! Chip is a god, Fire Howie! We must save Chip! Howie is a stoopid accountant! Lurie is a shit owner, he doesn’t spend money like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones! I wish he was more like them!
I do not know who was saying that? we love the Chipper
Go back to the threads after the Cowboys and Skins losses.
fire billy d, ok, i don’t know what the rest of that is about.
My goodness. And some one says I don’t understand sarcasm!
Exactly.
http://www.prosportstickers.com/product_images/h/mickey_laughing__61265.jpg
This is a bit over the top. To my knowledge this is one of the only Eages related message boards where the majority of posts are in good spirit and relatively rational.
While what you say is true, he isn’t wrong…. That crap managed to even reach This message board. When crap reaches this smart community, what’s being said about the Eagles outside of this website is probably absurdly intolerable.
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I have avoided all eagle websites, sports radio. And alL local media almost entirely since we lost to the skins, knowing I will hear like 20% factual info, and 80% nonsense THATS not worth allowing in my brain space
Trust me I spent 48 hours after the Boys and skins games dealing with people spewing venom at Chip.
I never understand how in his 2nd year at the highest level of his trade, people expected this team to go 16-0 without mistakes being made.
But Chip Kelly is a “genius”! Oh whats that the media said that, not Kelly? Well lets be mad at the coach not the media, who now get to write and tweet things about him not being a “genius” without referencing their own stories on the mattter.
I feel your pain bro… Im suffering from Fatigue from my “mission to civilize Eagles fans who’s mind have been polluted by joke of a local media” …. The scary part, is we saw that type of crap on this site, which is probably the most knowledgable eagle debate you can find
If that ridiculous crap infiltrated this community, imagine what crazy ish is being said by fans on talk radio, or the crap that Les Bowan, and McLane are polluting fans mind with…smh
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Anyone, who is sane I should say, is a fool to think Chip is not the best option for our franchise. The system he has put in place here is awesome. Players love playing for him, I love watching him. He will win his Lombardi whether it is here or someone where else. I mean for christ sakes this guy has been a head coach for 6 years total? He is bad man when it comes to this football stuff.
These are the same people who think our whole draft class was a bust…
http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-with-chip-kelly-and-the-eagles-1677148702
Nice to see us getting mocked on Deadspin. Well played Eagles media.
I don’t fully get the hate on the Eagles media. Yes there is a lot of speculation going on, but the Eagles themselves are not providing any kinds of answers for a highly questionable situation. Having the team say something would quiet a lot of the speculation, but without it, all anyone can do is speculate. So, I can’t blame the media for doing just that.
The media are supposed to be professionals. They are not supposed to be National Enquirer level rumor-mongerers. If you have sourced information, then report it. In the past, the journalistic standard was you either had to have multiple off-the-record sources or a single on the record named source to report information. We are long gone from the old standards. What I hate is when certain reporters have sources that give little tidbits but aren’t willing to provide anything concrete so the reporter writes an article with theories or connect-the-dot speculation rather than simply coming out and truthfully saying what you have sourced info on. Otherwise, hold off on the damn article. Then of course you have the craziness where somehow it’s okay to base reports on “a source familiar with the thinking…” of the team or some other such nonsense.
some guy who met Chip Kelly at bar in philly a few months back has a very important opinion on this situation and would like to share it with us all.
Exactly, they can’t simultaneously talk shit on bloggers because they aren’t “journalist” and then throw speculation at the wall and hope something sticks.
Actually, they can. Lol.
First of all, several journalists HAVE in fact sited “Sources”. Who those sources are, obviously no one knows. Those sources could also be entirely not credible. But beyond having or not having sources, the majority of the Eagles media is speculating based on the information that we all have. This move DOES LOOK BAD. Fans want to talk about what it means and especially in today’s journalism, it IS their job to talk about it. The vast majority of writers have stated that they are speculating when they are saying things that are unsourced.
It also should be pointed out, this is the same complaints all the fans had about the DeSean Jackson situation. The team was silent about everything and the media ultimately speculated all about DeSean getting cut. Turns out they were right the entire time.
Would Comcast come out in public and announce that they are just “thinking about” splitting shares and merging with IBM? Of course not, They would announce AFTER the deal was done. Anything else would be considered insider trading or some such. No organization wants their competitors knowing their business until it’s done.
EDIT. Now someone will comment that Comcast couldn’t possibly do a deal with IBM, thereby proving that he has missed the point.
This is true, but when media gets a lot of hints that an organization is merging, continuing with your metaphor, you better believe that the media is going to write about it. That’s simply their job. On top of that, Im not saying the Eagles need to give away all their plans. Just simply say something, even if it is not the full truth, but something that relieves the panic, and the media is less inclined to speculate.
MMM:
Sometimes — as I36 alludes — corporations WANT the media to talk about rumors of acquisitions or mergers.
Exception that proves the rule you described.
Is someone in the front office making a power play to sign Bradley Fletcher to an extension?
This all happened bc chip cut Momahtron
The Momahtron!!!!!!
maybe the something big is goodbye B davis?
I like him, just saying?
what could it be???
they’re just going to hire a replacement, fletch is a fa so unfortunately you can’t fire him.
While that may appease some fans, wouldn’t that be another shot at Chip? Chip has publicly supported Davis as well, so firing him would just add salt to that wound.
yeah I think that’s true
Les Bowen
@LesBowen
20 minutes ago
I expect some sort of move that’d be a nod toward Chip, to counterbalance
Gamble firing. Dunno what that might be. But lotsa folks think so
Then why fire Gamble?
Maybe Gamble was just simply not doing a good enough job and got fired for it?
Could it be that Chip also wanted him out and a new guy in? Seems odd but who knows
Hot Takes coming in Hot
A) It was a firing…. If it was mutual parting ways, you have to credit Howie when gamble gets a GM job, and gamble would be part of Howie’s “tree of executives” that start branching out in the league. like you credit Holmgren when his underlings like Andy Reid. gamble was straight up fired, and you KNOW he does NOT want any of his success to reflect well on Howie. if you don’t acknowledge the firing,than Howie gets credi when Gamble goes on to succeed.. After this move, you can bet people will be watching to see what kind of jb Gamble does when he finalLy is running a team as a GM. If he does great, it will reflect poorLy on Hpwoe for firing him over power squabbles.
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B) if Gable was always siding with chip and the coaches over the scouting department, then Howie and chip DONT have equal power that LURIE intended when he designed this. I assume Gamble was supposed toBe an unbias tie breaker when Chip/coaches and Howie/Scouting department disagree on a player, and if gamble is alwaysi siding with one side, and never the other, clearly it’s not an equal power sharing that was intended when LURIE set this up
Yup. LURIE isn’t stypIf. He wouldn’t let Howie Fire gamble and ruin the franchise if LURIE wasn’t confidemt that he could keep it all together
Maybe.
Maybe Lurie decided to draw a line in the turf with Kelly — and dare him to say “I quit.”
What we don’t know is whether Kelly’s contract prohibits him from jumping back to college with no penalty.
If Kelly’s contract has a full non-compete that includes college, he’s totally under Lurie’s thumb.
With ZERO leverage
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
32s32 seconds ago
Lurie’s made it clear he values Kelly and Roseman. I suspect he finds a way to
appease parties for now w/new titles/adjusting some roles.
Maybe Lurie solves his problem(Kelly) by throwing cash at it.
After Reid left and Chip was hired, I thought to myself, “Ah, Eagles football without all the drama.”
You and me both.
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
32s32 seconds ago
Jeffrey Lurie has stated that he would rather keep CK on payroll and off coaching duties than let him walk to another NFL team.
what?
Alright, now this is getting absurd.
That’s not a real tweet.
LOL – I want to keep him around to not do what he does best. Coaching.
This isn’t on LaCanfora’s timeline. You sure it isn’t a fake account?
Not real.
Sorry, it was just a joke. This whole thing is ridiculous, figured I’d add to it.
No worries
Please unfollow him. Nothing positive to gain from LaConshithead. He looks weird too, looks like a cross between mIke Misanelli and a new born baby duckling with his feathers half ruffled and discombobulated
While some here are attacking the local media (for this story and others) . . .
Over at PFT, Florio’s outdone himself with a *Trade Chip Now* post ( . . . all Florio needed to add for a flourish was “while we still have the muscle.”)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/02/silence-becomes-deafening-in-philly/
Sometimes, like Fredo, Florio can be very “weak and [ ] stupid.”
The fact that you can trade a head coach will never cease to amaze me.
True . . . but only if he agrees to honor his contract at the destination.
Hate thatt weasle.., don’t know if I hate him more or LaConshithead
Thanksgiving seems so far away….
Lmao
Jay Glazer @JayGlazer 3m3 minutes ago
I don’t see Chip leaving. Eagles trying to work it out
“Eagles trying to work it out”
From the best insider, Glazer, who’s very careful with his words (is he ever wrong?) . . .
Those are powerful words.
They suggest pretty clearly that Kelly’s level of disaffection is very high and maybe he’s has talked around the “Q” word.
“[T]rying” is a powerful adverb.
If glazer said it, take it as gospel. Literally there is no one I trust more in NFL info and mixed martial arts intel
Yep.
I bet they do work it out though. Just hope this whole Gamble episode hasn’t caused irreparable damage down the line.
Fool me once . . .
If Kelly was double-teamed by Lurie and Roseman . . . and blindsided as well — he will not forget.
Maybe he’ll get his act together and let the GM do his job instead of trying to double-team him with a guy who’s under Roseman in the personnel hierarchy.
GR:
Kelly’s ego is enormous. (Earned)
You’re referring to his “judgment.”
Not sure they’re co-extensive.
Great point.
What exactly has he earned? 10-6 two years but no playoff wins. Roseman can say he led team to 10-6 twice too. Neither one has any right to have a big head.
Regardless of whether Roseman deserves his job and should be fired or not though, I do not think it’s right to try to bypass someone in another division(essentially) by going to their second-in-command. Regardless of who pushed him to come here, Gamble was under Roseman in the hierarchy. Roseman has every right to fire him with or without input from Kelly. Everyone notes that Kelly wasn’t quoted in the press release announcing Gamble’s firing. Would people expect Roseman to be quoted if Kelly fired one of his coaches? Let Kelly do his job and Roseman do his.
Kelly’s ego is the product of his life’s accomplishments and failures . . . like anyone’s ego.
Kelly doesn’t measure who he is by 23 months as an Eagles’ coach.
Kelly’s had enormous success in his chosen profession of coaching.
Judgment doesn’t work like ego, however.
The Eagles have had a lot of success while Roseman has been an Eagle but haven’t won a championship. Kelly hasn’t won a champioinship either. I understand human nature and I understand both or either having egos, but neither one has done enough to say that Lurie should favor one over the other.
GR:
I’m not taking sides for or against Kelly.
I’m just observing based on some premises about the dynamic.
The problem may rest (as argued in a CSN article) with Lurie’s power structure.
Roseman is not over Kelly. And vice-versa.
And Lurie — unless we’ve been fooled all these years — is not breaking personnel ties like Jerry Jones.
Yeah, I agree. In a perfect world, both sides could work harmoniously in concert with each other and neither side would gain too much power so you never go too far in one direction and things totally go off the rails. In the real world, ego is involved and the kids don’t play nice. Plus without one overall boss, it’s hard to know who is really accountable for bad decisions. At least from the outside.
“Gamble was under Roseman in the hierarchy. Roseman has every right to fire him with or without input from Kelly.”
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Maybe Roseman does.
But if Kelly pushed for Gamble’s hiring, then Gamble’s firing should be expected to ruffle Kelly’s feathers — given his position as HC.
Think of how Bill Parcells would see this, and I think you understand how Kelly may see this.
Sure, I understand him being upset. However based on what I’ve seen over the past 2 years and some hints from his snarky comments in the media, I don’t think Kelly has given Roseman the respect that his title dictates. Irregardless of his personal feelings about Roseman, it’s inappropriate to try to freeze him out of the decision-making process in favor of Roseman’s second-in-command.
GR:
I speculate that Kelly pushed Roseman to the sidelines.
Neither Lurie nor Roseman, in that scenario, would be happy. Justifiably.
Which I think you’re rightly suggesting.
regarding the hierarchy, i read elsewhere (full disclosure, very well could have been another comment here or elsewhere!)
that Gamble was the ‘third party’ that was used as a sort of tie breaker between Chip & Howie. that might explain why Chip is upset (he is the personnel guy that Chip wanted, right?) and removing Gamble from the equation immediately gives Howie more power as there is no other guy to disagree with him! (it was also mentioned somewhere that Gamble ‘always’ sided with the coaching staff & scouting teams and not with Howie)
No he won’t. But Kelly also needs to grow up on a level.
I wonder if Chip thought when he was hired that he’d be able to outmaneuver Howie at some point to take over full control of personnel (thinking, who is this 37 year old accountant?), or at a minimum, force Lurie to promote Gamble to GM.
In which case, he may have jumped the gun, attempting to make the move before he had built up enough equity with Lurie.
In addition to under estimating Howie’s clout with Lurie.
Remember the part where Eagles went after Kelly for 2 years to get him here. Obviously he has tons of power off the bat. Kelly has a lot of ideas about scouting and player development since he came from college. But it’s a bit different in the NFL.
How is scouting and player development different? Seems like Kelly helped LeSean, Nick, DeSean, Jeremy have career years. Seems like the coaching staff he hired is really good at player development. As for scouting, don’t know how the department is structured, and the processes for capturing and communicating relevant information. Chip is an outstanding organizer and will likely bring innovation and critical improvement over prior structure.
What is different in the NFL is player valuation as it relates to draft position, cap management, free agency, and contract negotiations. These areas are where Howie excels and where I believe Chip will continue to seek guidance and input as it relates to the overall picture.
mksp:
Kelly has some adjusting to do if he wants to stay in Philadephia.
But he may want to be like Bill Belichick — his best NFL pal.
In which case, I don’t see Kelly changing much (assuming he’s already thinking in Belichickian terms about control).
Belichick wasn’t Belichick after his 2nd year as a head coach (for the Browns).
But he basically has been his entire career with the Patriots (which also easily aligns with his most successful years as coach). Would lend credence to that theory.
With that said, Belichick still had more HC experience when granted full control.
Neither Billy B or Carroll were successful at their first stops. Qbs are kingmakers.
Yea. Seeing that from Glazer caries a ton of weight.
By the way . . .
It’s the EAGLES who are “trying.”
Not Kelly.
Kelly is an Eagle just like Roseman.
I don’t read Glazer’s statement that way.
I think he’d have used the word “Parties” — because we have two sides in conflict.
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I see your argument, though.
in a way I’m glad tensions are high after not making the playoffs. they should be.
as long as chip is cool and staying that is.
How’s that taking a break from the Gamble situation working out?
geez. some of the gameday threads don’t get this many comments!
/not helping things
In fairness we started posting in this during the MSU/Baylor game.. Since then we had two college playoff games, and a days worth of eagle speculation drama
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We cant ignore the one thing we learned from this… We could have done a much better job in all personel decisions than what has transpired..
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If Howie and the acouts were being ignored, yet Gamble and the coaches made all the decisions, and they all proved to be great decisions, Howie WOULDNT have an argument, or a hand to play to be able to make this move…. For Howie to have attempted this power play. It means he has cards to play. Clearly he can point to instances where coaches and Gamble got their way, but it ended up being proved that we would have been better off listening to the acouts or Howie’s decision that was ignored.
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For Howie to have made this power play, he needed A) the collapse. B) a bunch of examples where Howie and the scouts were ignored and they proved to be right…… So clearly, we could have made better decisions this year. I don’t even care to praise Howie and rip chip, or praise chip and gamble and rip Howie… I don’t care who made the mistakes. I care that it gets resolved and we find a better system so that we can make better decisions from here on out..
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Everyone has good idea of who was in charge in 2912, and who was in charge in 2014 … But no one seems to have any idea who ran the 2013 draft…. That’s what I’m most curious about, and I have no clue…
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I hope we don’t go back to the days were coach has power to make a few picks, Howie gets to make a few picks, and some other executive gets to make a pick, so you end up with different people responsible for different picks, which happened back in the Banner. Andy, Howie days…. I hate that draft method…. Whatever we decide, hopefully it leads to learning from past results, amd working together to do better than we did last year…
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Sucks that we will never know which players we could have had if we listened to Mueller, or Howie,, chip, gamble…. Be fascinating to see the results of all the scouting… Which players we could have gotten if we listened to each of these men, so we would know who was the most accurate evaluator….WE GET THE EXACT OPPOSITE , blur the lines so you don’t know who to hold accountable lol
“We could have done a much better job in all personel decisions than what has transpired.”
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What personnel decisions?
Lurie claims to put a 3-year time table on draft evaluations.
Free agents . . .
Barwin? Huge success.
Cary Williams? Ok.
Fletcher? Melted down.
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If this is really about personnel decisions — specific decisions — then Lurie’s claims about how he looks at the personnel side are worthless.
Which I happen to believe anyway
(explained in my comment about “Myth” of Roseman’s 2012 draft.)
We don’t know whats happening behind the scenes.
We don’t know who Howie was pounding the table for these last two years, either in the draft or FA. Same deal with Chip.
Have to look beyond the actual draft picks and signings, to whom we conceivably could have drafted / signed instead.
Football is a zero sum game.
Any decisions…
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Howie definitely didnt go up to Jeffry LURIE and say, listen Jeff.
, they aren’t listening to me, but in fairness to chip, all his decisions have been perfect,… But I still think I should have more power and gamble has to go…. I don’t knw what happened, but I KNOW THAT DIDNT happen..
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Agree with that, for sure
Contract decision, it’s not only about WHAT HAPPENED… WHAT DIDNT HAPPEN also comes into play…who knows who we could have signed, what trade was being offered, that Howie and the scouts were pushing for, but Chip and gamble went against
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What’s clear is gamble was the tie breaker in chip vs. Howie
I’m afraid to hear what ridiculous ish is being said on the radio lol..
Breaking News: Eagles have traded Chip Kelly,to the Michigan Wolverines for the rights to Jim Harbaugh
Brandon Lee Gowton
@BrandonGowton
1m1 minute ago
On 97.5, Adam Caplan said he heard there was a meeting today between Jeffrey Lurie, Chip Kelly, and Howie Roseman.
Duh 😉
it’s so stupid, yet i can’t stop watching
It’s become the Kardashians
“Something big is coming that does not involve the departure of chip kelly or roseman”
What gives? Maybe the decision to can Gamble was “non football related”
Of course Gamble’s firing was non football related.
Les Bowen
@LesBowen
1m
1 minute ago
Whatever it is that’s going to happen with the Eagles, I think it’s going to happen very soon.
(Me: Freaking tease!)
Adam Caplan just said the situation is a 11 out 10 in terms of how bad it is. Thinks they need to make Chip happy. Could walk
He’s under contract for 3 more years. Now obviously it’s not ideal to have a miserable unhappy HC that doesn’t want to be there, but it’s not his decision alone.
i’m sure he can walk, might have to sit down for a while. can’t force someone to work.
like seriously WTF are howie / laurie doing? makes no sense. If you don’t like Gamble find another replacement, just don’t fire people.
Brandon Lee Gowton
@BrandonGowton
13s13 seconds ago
Caplan says that Rick Mueller could take Gamble’s spot if he doesn’t take Jets GM job. If not Mueller, could be Tom Donahoe.
Here we go…
Philadelphia Eagles @Eagles 44s44 seconds ago
Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Lurie announces new structural change for the #Eagles: Howie Roseman elevated to Executive VP of Football Ops.
Philadelphia Eagles @Eagles 20s20 seconds ago
Coach Kelly will oversee player personnel department and lead efforts to hire a new personnel executive, a process that begins immediately.
Hopefully this calms the drama down
Amen.
Face saving title and “love” kiss salary raise for Roseman sounds equivalent to Banner’s position. Move Howie out of GM/personnel decisions.
Yep
so howie officially a cap guy. Chip has 100% control over the roster. Maybe chip didn’t like gamble but no way did he want howie to have any control.
Howie has been elevated to executive VP of football ops
WAIT.
Did Chip win?
Is Howie’s promotion a complete red herring?
yes
Yeah he definitely did.
Wow, this got interesting.
Looks like Chip has full control now
Indeed
Howie was demoted.
WTF? Chip controlling personnel? So more Djax-like moves and we go further down the rabbit hole.
Interesting to see what this draft looks like.
If Chip wants Mariota he’ll get him.
Indeed. This just got very interesting.
He wants Mariota and Aliotti. 🙂
all the ottas
Today makes no sense
We were expecting the worst lol
Have to say, this situation had me sh*tting bricks lol
Howie is gonna be gone within a year.
A desperate team (maybe the Raiders next year?) will make him a real GM.
Which won’t matter to the Eagles, since everything will be Chip’s call anyway.
LURIE did the only thing he could do…..promote BOTH! Chip win, Howie wins..
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Not sure if HC with total control is a win, but now it’s all on chip to deliver a SB
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Only loser is gamble, and maybe shady McCoy lol
If you think Howie “won” you’re a bigger fool than I thought.
You are a spinmeister
You are a fool if you think Howie ISNT cashing a bigger Check next week, then he did last week……
yeah and Lurie insulated him from the politics of footballl. Maybe it’s a nod that Laurie sucked at GM? But is CK good? No checks and balances?
I’d be lying if I said I believe in giving coaches complete Power, but I think chip is smart enough to know what he doesn’t know, and he has always delegated to assistants and position coaches without interfering..
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I assume chip will still listen to scouts and execs, especially now that he gets to decide who those scouts and personel execs will be…. I assume we will see some changes in scouting and personel department.
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I’m against coaches havng too much power, but chip is such a football junkie, that I can’t say I HATE the idea of chip deciding who will do the scouting and work in personel department
Amen
LOL
I don’t know who you are or what you do, but a fool I’m not. If you took my comment as being derogatory my apologies but I want to refrain from ad hominem and name calling.
If you think Roseman made out a winner when he has effectively been removed from being GM then that’s your opinion.
Let me rephrase. If you think Howie isnnt making more money off Of this, you are sorely mistaken… And since Howie can just join a fantasy football league, making MORE MONEY or making Less money is how I define promotion and demotion.
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Howie is Lurie’s guy,…. This is the reality of this situation… Feel free to think whatever u want
Is Howie making more money now, then before this happened? Yes or no? Simple question
Who cares if Roseman is making more money, that was a face saving move. At the end of day he’s no longer GM.
Who cares if he makes more money? Sorry, now THATS STUPID!!! Guess what? In every single sport, NBÁ, NFL, VP of basketball or Football operations is a STEP ABOVE the general manager!!! OFTEN the VP of operations hires the GM!!! LOL… Rod Thorn was VP, Stefanski was the GM under THORN… It’s a PRMOTION IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD!!!
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So you don’t want to be called stupid, but you are arguing that making more money, and moving UP the Latter. ISNT a promotion? That’s rich!!! Lol
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We can agree to disagree buddy.
Dude, read a book. 48 laws of power or something.
The irony here is that Geagle undercuts his own argument: “OFTEN the VP of operations hires the GM!!! LOL… Rod Thorn” Howie has no responsibility going forward with personnel Chip will be hiring the next VPoPP/GM. Howie is in charge of salary cap, contract negotiations (how long that lasts), and the medical staff. I’m LMAO at the speed of the turnaround.
Perhaps Howie is being groomed for President of the Eagles and this is the next step in the career path…
Ryan Nanni @celebrityhottub 1m1 minute ago
Chip Kelly: “And I want to be City Emperor.”
Eagles: “We have a mayor, and we can’t j-”
Chip Kelly: “CITY EMPERORRR!”
Eagles: (sigh) “Fine.”
On the surface, it seems like a promotion in title for Roseman but a demotion in responsibility. I suppose they could give him more responsibilities in other areas, but those would likely infringe on Smolenski’s territory. It is good to some degree that Kelly has full control. At least we’ll know who to blame if things go south.
I guess Howie won the battle, but lost the war.
Maybe Roseman’s position was “I don’t mind stepping back but Gamble… I HATE THAT GUY!”
ROSEMAN is going no where.. Don’t listen to the baboons. He has Lurie’s full backing
*Eagles have traded Nick Foles, and their 2015-2017 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Round Picks to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers*
Howie gonna take a long walk on a beach somewhere tonight…
Hypothetically, if Kelly truly has the freedom to hire whoever he wants as personnel executive…
A week from now…
Eagles hire Tom Gamble as GM
I will die of laughter!!
And thus ends the biggest non-story of the year. Allusions to “sources” and “rumors” gets the local media lathered up into a frenzy (with plenty of clicks to get that ad money churning) and Lurie quashes it all within a few hours.
SMH.
Howie lives on to see another day. All matters from here on out will be solely on Chip, so the blow back of any mistakes lays firmly with him, too. Howie will watch from his new relative safety and continue to be the guy that’s not wrong. Which is easy to do when you’re not making any decisions, Howie? Folks were asking how this is a win for him? He gets more money for a couple years, and then either gets his job back or gets hired as a GM somewhere else.
Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
15s15 seconds ago
Howie
Roseman’s extension runs through the end of this decade from what I
hear. Jeffrey Lurie was adamant about keeping him in Philly
(Me: You think you won this battle, Chip, but I’ll still win the war!)
Howie is going NO WHERE, Howie and Chip basically just strong armed LURIE.. Chip gets more power, Howie gets more money
Fine with me. Better than Lurie spending the money financing some movie I’m not going to see.
Lol funny how everything unfolds.
Chip insults howie Monday
Howie fires gamble Tuesday
Friday chip comes out with more power, and Howie comes away with more money
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Appreciate LURIE allowing himself to be strong armed, so that we could squash this potential disaster
Imaginary battle, imaginary war. Some guy got fired and they reshuffled a little bit. Move along with your day.
Curious to see what changes chip makes in Scouting and Personel department, Does Mueller, Marynoqitz, survive this?
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I can’t say I hate the thought of chip picking our scouts and personel department… If we are keeping the same exact scouts and personel execs only chip has final say now, then this is pretty stupid…
But chip is a football junkie, he knows who the bright football minds are, I would love to see him hire his own scouts and personel Execs…
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Howie is definitely getting a raise, but what about Chip? Does more power equal more money for chip? Or is his coaching salary enough?
He’ll get a nice raise after some good results.
Jimmy Kempski
@JimmyKempski
2m2 minutes ago
The biggest winner in this news is clearly Will Murphy.
Biggest loser…..possibly shady McCoy, gamble, and whoever gets replaced in scouting department
sounds like you really think shady is out yes?
I think you may be right
not if Howie can restructure Shady’s contract . …
can he restructure his bouncing to the outside routine?
I love shady
Not really. I just tease. I can’t imagne chip having the balls to cut DESEAN, and then cut Shady the next year In THIS city…. It would shock me…. I assume shady is gettng restructured
I thought the same thing, what a way to start by cutting the 2 biggest names on the team, would be crazy.
at the same time It sure doesn’t seem like Kelly cares what anyone thinks. he does it his way.
You are right… If someone was crazy enough to do that in THIS city, it would be chip!!
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Lol Cary williams and the players have been put on notice….. You are either a chip guy, or you are out. No one in novacare can save you from chips wrath
I like this part:
I have a very good relationship with Chip that continues to grow stronger and stronger. When we spoke, he was thoughtful, thorough and professional. There were no demands, no threats- quite the contrary- he was passionate, engaged and articulated a dynamic and clear vision on how this fully integrated approach will work. We look forward to seeing it come to life over time.
so it was his vision that Lurie said Ok to.
Who said that?
that was from Lurie
Thanks
Lurie
All Chip now.
Howie is either gone or irrelevant within a year.
Anybody who thinks Howie did well for himself here has zero understanding of how the real world works.
The fact is that Chip is a more valuable commodity than Howie. And he knew it.
Howie received an extension on top of the promotion. He’s going nowhere. Definitely will be irrelevant though 🙂
An “extension.”
Point is, whether he leaves for another job or not, he is irrelevant now.
Since when did salary cap management become irrelevant?!
It’s relevant, but you can find other guys to do it. You can’t find other guys to do what chip can. That’s why Lurie had to make this move.
I think you are right but the real world is results driven, so While Chip won the day today he has to WIn next year tooo
He was extended through 2020. He might be shuttled to other areas of the business operation away from Kelly but he’s likely to still be in the organization.
Crazy how he climbed up the ladder without the football background. You have to think the guy knows what he’s doing these days.
Howie being groomed for President role.
So if we work with the assumption that Gamble isn’t coming back and that someone already with the organization like Mueller isn’t being promoted, any thoughts on guys you’d like to add as GMs/VP of player personnel?
If we promote from within, it’s mueller or Marynowitz… I’d prefer chip bring his own guys in…
Billpolianwouldbeawesomeballs
He said he was staying in TV.. Of course, being a GM of the eagles with Chip is a little different from being GM of Jets, so who knows. I wouldn’t hate it.
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I just hope changes are made. If chip wasn’t listening to our scoutting department, why bring them back? Get some scouts in here who’s oppinipn chip values
Just was going to post the same sentiment. He was ready to come back with Buffalo but the deal broke up over money and blowback from other executives with the Bills.
Marynowitz might get promoted but I doubt it’s that far up the ladder. He graduated college in 2006 so he’s probably 30-32 years old.
chip said Howie is good at cap management and now that’s what he does….
Chip knows what he wanted and how he wanted it structured. the guy is smart so I think it will be all good
I got up to take a crap and a shower, and this is what I come back to you? I’m thinking about staying constipated and filthy for the rest of the off-season.
Chip: “Hey, Howie! Try managing THIS cap!”
oohhhhhhh
I pictured that OHHHHHH in an andrew dice clay voice…
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“And when Howie Bent over, chip took over! Ohhhhj”
that’s exactly how I said it
Hickory dickery dock, chip told Howie to suck his Ohhhhhhh!!! lol
“I’m over here now…”
http://giphy.com/gifs/xJvZ1hVM9OB2M
As far as what additional responsibilities Roseman will have, I wonder if Lurie will delegate any of his roles on NFL committees to him. Lurie currently serves on the NFL’s Finance Committee, Broadcast Committee, Stadium Committee, International Committee and Super Bowl Advisory Committee. Some owners delegate those jobs(as well as representing the owner at other league meetings) to others like the Browns’ owner did when Holmgren was there.
In every sport, VP of operations is a step above the GM
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Rod Thorn was VP of basketball operations, you wouldn’t Ed Stefanski(M) was hire than Thorn
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When Billy King was the SIXER GM, but Larry Brown had Final say, Larry was the coach and VP of basketball operations which is how he had power over GM Billy King
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Howie is PROMOTED in every sense of the word, he is making more money, and he has more responsibility… Instead of just worrying about the football side of things, he no overseas everything, sales, marketing, everything
sounds like a good job for him
If I’m not mistaken he is now the closest he could possibly get to LURIE
I imagine Don Smolenski is still his boss.
you know he thinks he can get closer
Wouldn’t that be taking on some of the responsibilities of Smolenski though? From Smolenski’s bio…”As President, Smolenski directs the club’s business and strategic
efforts, including sales, marketing, communications and operations.”
Howie lost this fight. He wanted to have more power over personnel moves and instead lost all say in the matter.
so now who are we getting with pick 20?
won’t chip and howie have to figure trades out together and what not?