Restoring the Beast
Posted: January 16th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 178 Comments »The Giants hired Steve Spagnuolo to run their defense. The Skins hired Bill Callahan to be their OL coach. They are still looking for help on the defensive side of the ball. It is possible that Vic Fangio will get that job. Dallas kept all of their coaches, except Callahan. Some Eagles fans will be disappointed by the fact that the competition is making good moves.
Not me.
The Eagles need the NFC East to be better. Playing in a soft division doesn’t help you. Think about the 1980-1991. The Skins and Giants won 5 Super Bowls in that stretch. Dallas played in 3 NFC title games and made the playoffs a few other times. The Eagles played in one Super Bowl and had a historically good defense at the end of the period. Those teams pushed each other to be great. If you could have a great season playing against that kind of competition, you were going to be ready for the playoffs.
The Eagles won a soft NFC East last year and then finished 2nd this season. I never thought the Eagles looked anything like a championship team.
Think about the NFC West. The Seahawks, Niners, Rams and Cardinals have been pushing each other for the past 5 or so years. The Cardinals were a playoff team in 2008 and 2009. The Niners went to NFC title games from 2011-2013, and the Super Bowl in 2012. Seattle won the Super Bowl last year and might repeat as champs. The Rams have remained on the bottom of the division, but have had their moments. They had back-to-back shutouts this year. That hadn’t happened in the NFL in years. The Skins were the worst team in the NFC East. They didn’t do anything historic this year. Their biggest highlight was knocking the Eagles out of the playoffs.
Eagles fans should be happy to see the other teams making smart decisions. The goal is for the Eagles to win a championship.Teams that win titles generally have to pass tests along the way. Green Bay went 10-6 in 2010 and won the Super Bowl. They lost 2 overtime games and played in several tight ones. The team went 15-1 in 2011 and looked like a juggernaut. That squad lost in the divisional round. If you look at final scores, you’ll see that 9 of their games were decided by 10 points or less. But look at the box scores and you’ll find several games where opponents scored late to cut into a big lead and make a game look closer than it was. That Packers team was dominant, but they just weren’t challenged very much and I think that caught up to them in the postseason.
Playing in a tough, competitive division doesn’t guarantee you anything. You do have to win those games or else you become the Rams all over again. The point is to build a good team that can really battle during the season and then be ready for postseason play.
This doesn’t mean every division game will be close. You want the teams around you to push you. Think about our 2 favorite 2014 games…wins over Dallas and the Giants. Tony Romo wasn’t healthy in the Thanksgiving blowout. The Giants didn’t have Odell Beckham at his peak and were banged up the night of the shutout. Those were still fun games, but it was different than the Eagles beating a team at their best.
Do you remember the last Eagles team to win in the playoffs?
That was 2008. The Giants went 12-4 and won the division. The Eagles beat the Cowboys on the final day to secure a wild card berth. That was the 44-6 game. Still, Dallas was 9-7. The Skins were 8-8 that year. Not one losing team in the division. That Eagles team had some good wins (DAL, NYG, PIT) and some tough losses (DAL, NYG, WAS). That team was ready for the pressure of the playoffs. They won at the Vikings and then at the Giants, only to fall short in the title game at Arizona.
Playing tougher competition might mean an extra loss or two a season, but it if helps the team to be better overall, then it is a good thing. The key is to win enough games to still get into the postseason.
The NFC East has been mediocre in recent years, but it looks like that might be changing. And that is good news for the Eagles.
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New podcast is up. Jimmy Bama and I were going to talk about all of the team’s needs, but got into a long QB discussion and then talked a lot about DBs. We quickly went over other areas.
As a reminder, if you have any technical questions about the show or where to find it, John Barchard is the man to ask.
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Tommy I disagree on Maxwell been the best fit for us.
Im getting really nervous about him because he looks great playing next to 3 pro bowlers and KJ Wright and Bobby Wagner also means he can press his with out worry about getting beat inside or deep.
Well the solution it seems is easy then – get Maxwell and surround him with talented players!
Not to mention all the calls he gets away with wearing that SEAHAWK jersey
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My beef with Maxwell is that, I don’t believe the Eagles are going to outbid 5 teams and pay 10mil more than he is worth to sign him,
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You can just look at how much Tharold Simon struggles in Maxwells place when he can’t play. To see that the guy can play, he isn’t just a product of his environment….
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I assume it will be like a Dashon Goldson situation. We have enough interest to call his agent, but as soon as we hear the figures other teams are throwing around, we will no longer be interested.
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look at all the DBs in free agency, if the Eagles have to break the bank open, it will be for the perfect fit on every level….that player is easily Devin McCourty, former CB, perfect mirrored compliment to malcolm Jenkins, smart player, quality Charecter..
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Plus from a roster building standpoint we have a bunch of young Safetoes on the roster, we can afford to add a veteran when we lose Nate…where as we have NO young outside corners one he roater. We will want to get younger at the position, Maxwell and Kareem will be grossly overpaid, and the corners that can be signed for fair value, probably won’t be enough of an upgrade over what we have to break up continuity for a lateral move
we wanted goldson? that would have been fun and i think he can probably be had for cheap don’t think that tampa 2.
For like a moment.. We called his agent to “explore”, and we were quickly turned off my the $$$ is my understanding. GAmble had just been signed from the Niners at the time…
I wanted Goldson and I was DEAD wrong on his level of play outside of the Niners system.
I wanted Quin and was dead right.
I’d rather not get Goldson now, obviously too slow.
Hear, hear, recent change of mind?!
This is all true and I don’t disagree. However, until QB play is an asset and not a liability/unknown from week to week, it won’t matter.
What’s the over/under on the redskins trading up to get Mariota
0. Snyder loves RGIII
What would they trade? They give away three more 1st round picks and the fans in DC might just burn the stadium down!
Sounds like a plan.
They pick at 5 if Winston goes to Tampa they very may well have a chance to get him at 5
Playing in a weak division never hurt New England. Building a dominant franchise should be independent of immediate competition. I have no issues with the Eagles beating up on lesser competition in division. The out of division competition is still there.
I agree. Handle our business and what everyone else does won’t matter…. But as a fan, I get so bored with easy schedules
Never hurt Bill Walsh’s 49ers, either. There are cases to be made both ways.
I despise having a weak schedule
Take comfort knowing that if the Eagles needed a new
equipment man, the Mock-Draft crowd would assign one to the Birds in Rd 1 . . .
Because, you know, the Eagles need one.
Need a new equipment man? Howie Roseman to the rescue!!
Good because next looks tough.
Bring it
In my opinion you’ve got a correlation but not causation. When you come from a good division, those teams tend to out-perform their record when it comes to the proving grounds of the playoffs, but there is not a whole lot to suggest that the strong division made a team stronger. The Seahawks are likely the best team in the NFL and there’s a good chance they prove it. They’re likely much more dominant than their record suggests. Not necessarily because the NFC West forged them into a crazy good team (the NFC west didn’t help them draft better, coach better, etc per se). They’re not just 13-4, they’re 13-4 from the NFC West. You almost have to weight that to get an accurate picture of how strong that team really is.
To me the most important thing is getting that bye week. If it’s a coin toss to win a game, your odds of winning the Superbowl double if you get a bye (from 6.25% to 12.5%). If your strong division makes you cede the bye-week to a weaker team, that hurts more than any possible benefits of coming from a strong division in my opinion. You want a to set a high bar, but you don’t need the proximity of a division to set it, imo.
I’m not saying being in a tough division magically makes you good. I pointed out the Rams and their issues. Tough competition can make a good team even better. You have to be good on your own.
Having tough competition does push the scouts and coaches to work their butts off because they know how hard winning is. If the NFL magically switched the Eagles and Colts, don’t you think everyone would assume we would dominate the AFC South? If they switched us and the Rams, there would be tremendous pressure to step up to that competition.
Does that make sense?
Well it’s a fascinating discussion that you can come at from multiple angles. Does tougher competition, specifically in you division, make you better at the pro level? So many anecdotes to look at. Hard to uncouple the Ravens from the Steelers. Good teams that seem to push each other to be great. The rest of the division being a dumpster fire never seemed to matter. Rex Ryan definitely held up the patriots as the standard to work to. He was also motivated by Peyton Manning’s Colts though, who was a playoff rival rather than a division rival.
I think every team needs someone to chase, to compete with, to keep up with. It helps. But there are absolutely negatives as well, hurts your record, so it hurts your seeding (unless you’re the Seahawks).
For me it comes down this:
A) We have a very capable division Rival in the Cowboys, kills me to say it but they were very good, to me they outplayed the Packers in Lambeau, and might have been the only team capable of going to Seattle and winning.
B) Alternatively (we don’t get a choice): the entire division is better, back to the beast days. The schedule becomes much tougher, and just by merit of football being football, even great teams lose tough games occasionally, more tough games just means more losses, just a fact.
to me I’d prefer A with just 1 good-great rival and come out with a better record than B. The better record, to me, is just worth more than having a division full of good teams.
So this is just my opinion, I don’t look at the outlook of B as a good thing, give A
harder to float by with good competition. team wasn’t very good last year and not very good this year (as compared to playoff teams). but franchise / fans are happy with 10-6 and a playoff birth. easy to sell “building a program”, easier to justify not spending money and having mediocre drafts when you have 4-6wins in the bag.
no matter what divisional games are never in the bag
I hear you, but I don’t think moderate success makes teams more complacent and go into cruise control, seems to make teams more desperate. Like we did what we thought was our absolute best and we came up short, time to make some short-terms moves to tip us over the top. I think of like 2010 Eagles where Vick had a revelatory season. All we needed was a D we thought, so we went all in for 2011. Broncos were getting close every season, did some desperate things this year.
I’m sorry to keep bringing this up, but when the Cowboys were trying to win Super Bowls in the 90’s, their goal was to beat the 49ers. They were the BIG DOG in the NFC. It was also the case with the 49ers, they knew that they were going to have to face the Cowboys in the NFC championship game, so they built their team to beat them. The Eagles goal should be to model themselves after the Seahawks, from their drafting to their dominant defense. Bringing in Scott Fitterer, the Seahawks director of college scouting, to be the Eagles director of player personnel, would be a great start.
On the surface it does make sense, …. but, If you are a scout or a coach and your not ( already ) busting your a$$, then you don’t belong working for a NFL team. The Eagles, as a organization ( coaches, scouts, players, owner, etc. ) should ALREADY feel tremendous pressure and be extremely motivated to win a championship, for the fans of this city. Last time I checked, there are ( none, nada, zero, zilch ) Lombardy trophies at the Novacare complex in Philadelphia. Does that make sense ?
Sort of agree, but also it’s clear we aren’t that good.
Totally off topic but every time someone mentions the 44-6 game now, I think of Jennifer Lawernce…
Probably more enjoyable thinking Jennifer Lawrence than Freddy Mitchell.
Freddie Mitchell wasn’t on that 2008 team.
You’re right. I screwed up thinking about two of my favorite games. One was the 4th and 26 Packers game, involving the notable Mr. Mitchell. The 44-6 spanking of the Cowboys was the first game my young son watched with me and my buddies.
Regardless, I’d still argue it’s more enjoyable thinking about Jennifer tha Fred.
Oh, your original point is certainly still valid.
44!!!! That’s me!!! woooooooooo!!!!!
Jimmy ‘Bama thinks of Kate Upton.
I figured my rooting interest would end and I could be at peace once the Cowboys were eliminated. But I have to admit, I can’t stomach see the colts reach the Super Bowl. I need BRady and Bellicek to put an end to the Cllts season.
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We went into their house where they don’t lose and our young QB out playes Luck when it mattered with the game on the line, and we didn’t even have an OL at the time,…I have had to endure Wilson in the Super Bowl, but I can’t take this very beatable Colts team, with anannpinted flawed QB who we beat playing in the Super Bowl.
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f it. I’m a Pats fan…..
F That, Go Colts, can’t stand the Pats
I hate that luck is ANNOINTED and FOles is shitted on… When if Fo,es had been drafted in the 1st round, we would adore Nick FOles in this city and we would be supporting him while giving him the time to develop him… But because FOles, like wilson lasted til round 3, every time Nick doesn’t look .i,e a world beater this city craps on him.
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Perfectly fair to critique a bad performance, but wanting to replace the young man is crazy talk
i don’t think that’s the case. IF a qb in philly has a bad year people are going to want to get rid of him.
Luck does get a lot of love. That’s true.
But consider . . .
He’s never missed any of the 54 game the Colts have played in his 3 years.
His team has reached the playoffs in each of his first 3 seasons.
His TDs to INTs have gone:
-20 / 18
-23 / 9
-40 / 16
He’s rushed for 905 yards and 12 TDs in 3 years.
And who knows how many 1st downs to keep drives going.
The Colts have never had a rushing threat to complement Luck in his 3 seasons.
In 2014, Luck and the Colts have lost 3 starting O-lineman to IR — along with the Colts 2 best RBs, a starting DT and their best pass rusher.
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I like Foles. Quite a bit. Really respect his 4th Q performances.
But if the choice is between Foles and Luck, I don’t there’s any question that Luck is — by far — the guy you’d want.
Hard to argue against a big QB who can throw and run, never misses a game, and carries a pretty mediocre team to the playoffs as rookie, a 2nd year guy, and a 3rd year guy — and his team’s progressed in the playoffs every year.
thank you
He’s in the AFC championship game. That’s already better than any of our performances for at least 6 years.
I agree. its not that Foles doesn’t get respect, and he doesn’t, its that Luck is actually better and really good. simple.
When has this ever even been debated? When has anyone ever Said they would rather have Nick than Andrew?
The biggest most pathetic known TROLLS haven’t even dared go there yet.
Question: out of curiosity, who have you ever seen or heard say that they wouuld rather have Nick FOles instead of Ndrew Luck? I haven’t even heard FOles mother say that. I want to know who these people are…. I don’t think anyone needs to be convinced that Luck is the top young QB in the game (sorry Russell)
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Another question: have you ever seen anyone that didn’t believe Luck would go on to be a GREAT QB? I
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Let’s see, he hasn’t played with a hundred yard rusher in like 100 games, His Defense is no better than ours. He threw his entire team on his back and has them in the AFC championship game…. so, I was under the impression that Luck being the best young QB in the game was a given…
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The point of my post is that Colt fans don’t dwell on all his mistakes. Colt fans understand that he is still young, even tho he is the football equivalent of Jesus christ. He is t going to be perfect, he is going to make plenty of mistakes, but they trust and assume that as he gets more and more experiemce, he will mature into a veteran QB who will correct and polish up the mistakes they see now. If Luck has a bad 3 quarters and he brings his team back to squeek past his opponent in the 4th, he is praised,and he should be. Colt fans enjoy all his wins, no matter how ugly some of them are, because they assume the mistakes will all be corrected as he grows into a veteran.
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Yet FOles is treated like every mistake fans see him make is an impossible to correct, limitation that he is doomed to repeat no matter how hard he ever works at it. We have a QB who we can count on tp work his ass off. A kid who has proven to be tough. High Football IQ, natural leader, and a kid who has won games for us while he goes thru the developmental process, half the fanbase would move on from FOles right now..
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I just can’t help wondering just how different everything would be, how different this city, this media, opposing fans would ask, If they saw nicks career play out EXACTLY the way it has, with the ONLY difference being he was selected somewhere in the 1st round, instead of 3rd round…all the conversations and opinipns would be so different
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GEagle:
I like Foles — ‘specially his 4th Q guile.
(On record many times with the Billy Kilmer comparison — which probably only a handful of readers get.)
Also, I agree he takes a lot of heat in this city — with fans of other teams, like TN, perhaps wondering why.
Myself, I just want to see Foles healthy for 16 games. More experience for him. And — like you — I believe he’ll produce pretty good numbers.
At least Luck doesn’t cry every time he gets sacked. Luck will tell the guy who sacked him ” great play “, while Brady will cry to the refs. Luck is a class act, Brady is a whiner, and pouts when everything doesn’t go his way.
Win 3 superbowls and are in convos of greatest qb to play the game you will start to feel a little entitled.
Hasn’t won one since Spygate though.
Or since vinatierie left
[Cheat your way to winning] 3 superbowls and are in convos of greatest qb to play the game you will start to feel a little entitled.
Fixed it for you.
I dunno, find that to be kind of creepy lol. I tried to think about how I would have reacted back in the day to a QB Genuinly smiling and complimenting me for the way I hit him. Lol that’s so goofy that he does that.
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Luck is once in a lifetime prospect… Who was the last cant miss andrew luck type? phillip Rivers?
He was definitely a highly touted prospect, but he was drafted 4th overall in the ( 2004 ) draft. He would have been drafted # 1 overall if he was as highly regarded as Luck. I will add this though, in my opinion, he is not the reason why the Chargers have not won a Super Bowl yet. He is as good a leader that the NFL has ever seen, at the quarterback position.
Dude, you can’t be seriously rooting for the bloody Patriots just because Luck gets more love than your Foles?! lol.
In a world where rooting interests have been based on uniform colors, regional proximity, the outcome of a game half a lifetime ago, a single exciting play when first exposed to the sport or fondness for a mascot; I think basing it on perceived unfair comparisons between a player you really like and another is one of the more understandable justifications I’ve heard.
Did you not rather mean to say ‘non-understandable’?
Why would I want to watch the team MY TEAM beat this year win a Super Bowl?
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Why would I want young QBs to win superbowls before the young QB by of the Philadelpha Eagles?…. Crazy bat shit me huh?
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My TEAM, the PHILADELPHIA Eagles, lost to the seahawks and Packers, thus Id rather have lost this year to the EVENTUAL Super Bowl Champion…
I see it the exact opposite. If the Colts win it all we can all print ‘super bowl champs beaters’ t-shirts?! Pure. Awesome. Ness.
I’m petrified at the thoughts of Wilson and Carrol getting their 2nd ring and earning such a prestigious honor as one of the few back to back Champs. if we handle our business, we will be competing against Wilson for the next decade for the right to represent the NFC in a Super Bowl, I would really really hate to see a conference foe accomplish something so prestigious…..SEATTLE WILL STEAMROLL THE COLTS… can’t help but feel like BRady is my best bet, to stop them from repeating.. Lessor PF two evils.. Heck I don’t even remember when the last time was we played the Patriots. Soon BRady retires and Bellicek may not even matter. I got to see NE fall flat on their face after perfect season against Giamts. I got to see Aaron Hernandez shame and Embarress that franchise…they are going to be in the rear view mirror soon… If we do what we need to do, we could be competing against Wilson for the next decade and I hate to see our competition get such a prestigious accolade..
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If GB upsets seattle, which just isn’t going to happen, I would be much happier about the colts Going to SB……even as a fan, last years Super Bowl sucked, and if the Colts play Seattle, this years will suck too
I almost always agree with u but CANNOT root for brady and the Pats. They are bigger douches than the cowboys.
I can certainly understand why an eagle fan would hate the Patriots, and I certainly don’t get pleasure out of seeing them win, it’s just that Asron Rogers and especially Russel Wilson ARENT going anywhere anytime soon and they are in our conference. We will have to go thru those QBs if we want to make it to a Super Bowl. I can’t stomach seeing Wilson and Pete Carrol win such a prestigious honor as repeating back to back, so soon in their career….and I can’t stand seeing Rodgers win after laughing at us during the game.
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Idont think the colts are THAT Good. Seattle would destroy the Colts and it would be a boring Super Bowl like last year. Colts have a better shot against the Packers, but even then, Patriots give us a better shot at not letting an NFC team win this SUPERBOWL….wilson ismt gong anywhere, if we build the team we hope to build, we will be battling with Wilson for the next decade in the playoff. Can’t stand to see him win back to back
I feel like we emulate the Seahawks more than any of the other 3 left
1.Both predatory birds
2. college coaches in charge
3. culture is big us with smoothies, them with PEDS
4.Rodgers,Wilson,or Luck winning may satiate their competitive edge
5. Patriots cheated us out of our Super Bowl, the one time McAndy made it
Its so hard to get to a Super Bowl look at how many times Rodgers has won a playoff game since he won the Superbowl, and that guy is amazing.
Fact is those big 3 are one injury away from not being the same ESP because their mobility sets them apart
I would root for the devil himself before the Cheating,scumbag Pats and I dislike Carrol alot
Curios who would u wanna see win a SB between Cam and Luck? LMAO
all the really good ILB prospects that we will want will all be off the board by #45 pick at the latest. So unfortunately we don’t have the luxury to just sit tight and wait til round two to get a LB…. So what’s best way to land our ILB?
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1) draft an ILB with the 20th pick, you could have your pick of the litter, possibly one will be off the board already, but you still get to chose between like 3 or 4 quality ILB options.
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2) You can trade back from 20, once or twice, get a few extra 3rd round picks, and then chose between one or two quality ILBs left
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3) you can take care of something else with the 20th pick, and you can trade up from your 2nd round pick, up to like #40 and take which ever of the top ILBs are left on the board..
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It depends on who is there at 20, if 2 guys are gone at 20 already you might want to stand pat, because the Bengals pick right after us. If one is gone then maybe you try and trade back or if you really like one of the 2 stay put anyway. Or like you said go up with 52 to secure one of Ken, Dawson, Perryman
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What’s your thinking about why the Bengals at 21 suggests the Eagles should stand pat at 20?
Do you mind fleshing out what you’re driving at.
I think ILB is a potential target for them so I wouldn’t trade back with an ILB in mind when there is a team right behind you looking for what you want
Is Mauluga a free agent?. When they plugged him back in the middle towards the end of the year he was playing really well, so unless he is a FA I doubt the Bengals go ILB.
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The BENGALS AND the Greenbay Packers are going to draft ILBs at the end of round 1. GB had to move Clay Mathews inside, they really wanted Shazier last year..
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Two or three teams could end up going with ILB at the end of round 1, and NONE of the acceptable options will be available past #45. Dawson, Shaq,McKinney, Kendricks, will all be gone by the 45th pick…
“The Eagles need the NFC East to be better. Playing in a soft division doesn’t help you. Think about the 1980-1991.”
Also, remember that this was the same cauldron that forged the powerful Cardinal teams of that era…
I see what you are saying, and there is certainly value to being pushed to be better, but I think we would have gotten further this year if Dallas was a little bit worse.
Does anybody remember who the rest of the divisions coaches were in the NFC East when ( Andy Reid and ) the Eagles were making their ( 4 ) consecutive visits to the NFC Championship game, between 2001 to 2004 ? Cardinals – 2000 to 2003 / Dave McGinnis ??? Giants – 1997 to 2003 / Jim Fassel. Cowboys – 2000 to 2002 / Dave Campo ??? So much for the ” Need the division to be TOUGH theory. “
Parcells and Coughlin were also Dallas and NYG coaches during that stretch…along with Schottenhemier and Gibbs for the Skins…hardly bad coaches
Parcells was there for two years ( 2003 – 2004 ) and Coughlin ( 2004 ) was in his first year. They both were ” new ” coaches to their teams, and still were installing their own offensive and defensive schemes. Also, they both were in the rebuilding processes ( new players to fit their scheme and philosophy. ) Reid had already been with the Eagles since 1999 ( 3 years. ) You actually ( helped ) make my point. Andy Reids ( Eagles ) combined record from 2005 – 2008 was 33 wins and 30 losses. That was in a large part because of the Tom Coughlin led Giants and the Bill Parcells / ( Wade Phillips 22 – 10 win / loss record from 2007 – 2008 ) Cowboys. Thank you.
I disagree with Tommy’s ( need the division to be tough ) theory. Having bad divisional opponents hasn’t seemed to effect the New England Patriots in the AFC Eastern division. The Dolphins, Bills and Jets have not been great ( except for the Jets few good seasons ) and I would go as far as to say that that division has been terrible over the last 10 – 15 years. Teams need to take care of their own business and let the rest of their division worry about themselves. The fact that the rest of the Patriots division has been so bad over the years is one of the biggest factors in why they have been able win so many consecutive divisions and also have so many home field advantages and bye weeks in the playoffs. If you want to speak about the ( enjoyment ) factor, while watching the Eagles season, having the teams in their division be tough teams, does make it much more fun. During the bad years of the Cowboys, it just wasn’t as much fun hyping up for those games. The Eagles don’t need the division to be great to win a Super Bowl, they will have enough trouble getting by the Packers and Seahawks. During the Cowboys Super Bowl runs between 1992 to 1995 ( lost in 1994 ) their biggest competition ( in the NFC Championship games ) in getting to the Super Bowl was the 49ers three times and the Packers one time. None of them were division opponents. The Eagles need to draft great and bring in quality, impact free agents, and the rest will take care of itself.
yeah — I already did a lengthy reply to this theory before in another article. Tougher divisions do not = SB’s. It’s that simple.
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From a pure competition stand point — sure, there’s nothing better when you’re team is very good and the Giants/Redskins/Cowboys are very good too is a lot more fun to watch then when both teams are not very good.
Did anyone hear that Menzel is going to sing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl ? No ….. not that ( Cleveland ) Menziel.
Let it go. Let it go.
Sorry Tommy but I do not buy the premise or argument….many counter points exist ranging from the Pats who have won multiple SB playing in a terrible division, the 49ers of yesteryear who won in a terrible division, the Cowboys during their run etc.
Plus having a bad division gives a team a BETTER not worse chance to make the playoffs and thus have chances to win since those easy wins pad their records…
However, in the end it comes down to a combination of talent (evaluation, acquisition, development and execution), health, turnovers, coaching and luck…
Eagles do not have enough talent at key spots offensively and throughout their defense plus the Eagles have not been good enough at evaluating, acquiring and developing talent across the board…this includes the draft, but also FA, waiver wire pickups, UDFA etc. The Eagles were not as healthy in 2014 as they were in 2013, they led the league in turnovers and the coaching was inconsistent.
Chip needs to be honest with himself and realize his schemes need adjustments on both sides of the ball and he needs to find more talent to execute them better and take care of the ball…this is his 3rd year and is a crucial one for the future of the organization and himself. He needs to win more than 10 games and go deeper into the playoffs…especially since now he is in the power chair, time to deliver.
Yes. See Colts in the AFC Championships
what do yous think of that article on BGN about Foles and the Chip Kelly Mirage?
pretty interesting.
Was a pretty good read for a “fan post.”
Haven’t seen this quote from Greg Cossell before, but it nails every issue that I, and most people that aren’t delusional about him, have:
[Greg Cosell, in my opinion, sums up Nick Foles in a nutshell with these quotes. “When Foles gets into more long-yardage situations– it’s tougher for any quarterback, that’s not just Nick Foles– but Foles is not the kind of quarterback that is going to stand in the pocket and drill the ball consistently between defenders.” “Last year because all of this was new to defensive coordinators, we all agree that it looked last year like there were a ton of open receivers, which doesn’t happen that much in the NFL.” “I think if you look at Foles the player, what you likely see is this: He’s got a good arm but not a gun; he’s not a power thrower, not a drive thrower. He’s a little more of a finesse thrower than a drive thrower. He does not have quick feet. There is no quick-twitch to his movement. There’s no explosive lower-body movement to him. When you look at Foles, I think what you see is a quarterback that needs the system to work for him and provide defined reads and good throws with the route concepts, just the whole system. He needs the system to work for him..”]
yeah I agree, he kinda sold me on the idea..
and I like Foles.
Not sure what this tells us. Doesn’t have a gun and isn’t fast. Isn’t that Brady too?
Brady is faster than foles even at almost 40 (granted he spent a lot of time developing speed — unclear if foles is putting in that kind of work). Brady can consistently hit receivers between defenders, maybe he’s not a deep ball guy,but he could throw it accurately (especially in his prime). He will also stand in the pocket and take shots — though that is the only way to beat him AND peyton.
Brady has demonstrated that despite his physical limitations, he is a “one in a million” QB.
Let’s stop comparing Nick to Tom Brady solely based on what they can’t do.
Tom Brady has shown superior accuracy, superior intelligence, superior pocket presence and superior quickness.
Think about it: Foles is slow, just like Brady. Sanchez failed with his first team, just like Breez, and Barkley was stuck on the bench, just like Rodgers.
We are assembling the greatest QB stable the NFL has ever seen!
its all lining up nicely
If you *really* examine it on a deep level, Nick is the perfect combination of Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Dan Marino.
Kid’s gonna be a star.
i see the comparison. but i’m standing 3 rooms away from tv, have about 12 beers in me and squinting really hard.
brady has a gun from what I see.
he drills the ball
This is why I have continued to point out SHADY led the league in negative runs. That will kill most drives, so so frustrating. Yet NOBODY is knocking Shady the way they are Foles
yes, true going backwards really kills us. 3rd and long isn’t good for any team any qb any time.
I kind of disagree.
Sure, technically the goal is to win a Super Bowl, but that’s never going to happen. We’re talking about the Eagles here.
As Eagles fans we take our pleasures in occasionally playing spoiler and in the shattered hopes of Cowboys, Giants and Redskins fans.
I heavily disagree with this sentiment, and I see that most of the major counterpoints have been made, so I’ll just say this: If you consider 1986-1996 as the “golden age of the NFC East”, when the division (save for the Cardinals) was stacked from top to bottom, you’ll see that the Eagles, who fielded a highly-talented, well above-average team throughout that span, won a total of one division title and one playoff game. I am don’t understand the nostalgia for this era.
If you can get into the playoffs with a high seed by dominating an easy division, then you gladly accept your good fortune. There will always be plenty of tough games on the schedule, even if the division games aren’t against powerhouse teams. We have a saying in the Army – “smarter, not harder!”
Idk, a weak division seems to have helped the patriots.
And Colts. Panthers even won a game and then played Seattle close.
In any case, I prefer if the Cowboys totally suck.
correct! one of my nightly readings was to troll bloggingtheboys, enjoying their suffering. now, this offseason, it’s all too positive. dont like that at all.
They’re probably trolling us after the Braldey Fletcher beatdown.
ugh, i’m hanging on by a string here. #29 article comes out like that, grab your pitchforks and torches, line start behind me.
ICD:
If the chubby guy in the red sweater hadn’t jumped on the bandwagon of his “life long favorite team” the last 5 weeks, and if the guy hosting him in the owner’s suite didn’t comport himself like someone who’s never “been there before” (and he has) . . . I don’t know if I’d agree with your sentiment.
But they did.
And I do.
Or maybe it was watching just a few minutes of “A Football Life – Roger Staubach.” Oh, that brought back such powerfully negative feelings about Dallas — everything that’s evil about the Star.
How could you dislike Staubach!?!?
maybe the only thing a tougher division is actually good for is when you win your division people can’t say it was weak and you aren’t that good… aside from that winning the division and getting the bye week might be more important then playing tough teams 6 times a year. ask bellicheck what he prefers…
Restoring the beast:
What a way to counter attack this with keeping Bradley Fletcher. Lol
If we end up bringing Fletch back, im so done with Billy Davis. That has to be the most incredibly stupid thing anyone could do. I understand he will come cheap and that we aren’t guaranteed to just get Maxwell, Jackson, Culliver or Cox, but holy crap you just can’t bring Fletcher back. I’d take Boykin despite the apparently bad scheme fit or Nolan Caroll who didn’t look much better, hell i’ll even keep Cary at his current cap number if it got me out of seeing Fletcher in the uniform again. I’l even take Watkins and a mid-late round rookie as depth. Just no Fletcher!
They should change the scheme to give the secondary more help. It’s like either scheme ftp your players abilities or pay for better players. But I guess we’re “growing a secondary” with late round picks.
C’mon man. Everyone could clearly see that B Fletcher was one of the worst starting CBs in the NFL. No matter the scheme.
I’ve been saying this for quite a long time. Billy Davis was the main culprit for the epic December meltdown. Should the Eagles really bring back Fletcher I will not accept this ‘it’s the players/scheme’ excuse BS anytime longer next season!
GE wrote:
“C’mon man. Everyone could clearly see that B Fletcher was one of the worst starting CBs in the NFL. No matter the scheme.”
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If true, that does not bode well for Chip Kelly’s future personnel decisions.
Well, apparently he also teaches his CBs to not turn their heads which I – as a Former DC and LB coach – vehemently disagree with. But there must be a reason why Billy D made it to the NFL and me only to The Big Apple as a financial accountant. #InChipWeTrust
If they bring Fletcher back they better do so just to have the satisfaction of cutting him
I agree, and I think a further problem was that when we allocated help to Fletcher, the help was Nate Allen, which was really no help at all. Still doesn’t change the fact that Fletcher was shockingly horrific.
We don’t just run the same coverage over and over and over,. We threw all kinds of different coverages and schemes at teams, which is what q DC is supposed to do…. They would need significant safety upgrade, and improved pass rush to be able to start Bradley again…
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I Know, EVERYONE wants a new SECONDARY and I’m a defense Lover, but it’s probably not smart for us to expect 3 new starting DBs, so Im going to break it down into the simplest termsl, what 100% ABSOLUTELY can NOT HAPPEN NEXT YEAR is that:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can BOTH Bradley Foetcher, and Nate Allen be starting for the Eagles.
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You can NOT have both those players in a game. At the Very LEAST one needs to be signifcantly upgraded, by whatever friggin means Neccessary…Cary contract has another year on it, he is the better of the two, no point in replacing him until we replace Bradley in the starting lineup,,, out of all the DBs who could hit the open market, Devin McCourty is the most perfect fit in every way possible for us. Upgrading Nate, also should mean life gets a little easier for the corners with help they can count on.
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We are going to upgrade more than 1 spot in the secondary this offseason, I’m just not sure that more than 1 DB will be an IMMEDIATE upgrade that we can count on starting in September. from a roster building standpoint, if you look at what we have and what we don’t have, the balance between youth and experience, we don’t have ANY young outside cormers being groomed. NOT ONE. Boykins and Jaylen are inside corners for us….. Yet at safety, we have Ed Reynolds, Wolff, Jaylen Watkins (he counts as Safetyand dime corner), the new kid from the Lions. None of these young safeties are sure things we can count on to solve our problems, but ATleast we have youmg talent in the pipeline, being groomed. We need to stock up on some young, big, long. Fast. Athletic. Physical outside corners to start grooming, we just can’t assume they can start in September or be ready to take over until the following year.
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Pay for safety help, Draft your outside corners while you still have veteran stop gap of Nolan and Cary in place
I don’t think it’s Davis deciding who is re-signed. He’d have considerable input sure but the onus on that decision would and should fall on Kelly. I could see bringing him back for the minimum and let him compete for a job as #4 CB/STs guy. Anything else, horrible.
Well if our offensive minded HC overrules our defensive coordinator, Davis is done already, since thats a clear sign Kelly doesn’t trust him.
Nevertheless, I can’t imagine Davis telling Chip that theres no way Fletcher should be back and Kelly saying, fuck that, bring him back. Its far more likely that Kelly asked and Davis answered. Its just the wrong answer.
Sure, but when you’re the head coach that has total personnel control you’re responsible and accountable for everything. Regardless of what input you get from your assistants.
I warned that people aren’t going to be happy about how we handle the CB situation.
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Personally, I wouuld LOVE to extend Bradley, because I am confident that as long as nolan is healthy, he wil take the outside corner spot from Brad. I’d bet anything Nolan Carrol will be one of our starting outside CB in 2015, while the corners we draft are being groomed on the bench….
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If we can land Devin McCourty or Rahim at safety, we can get away with Cary/Nolan starting outside until the corners we draft are ready to take over. better Safety play, youmg front 7 will be 1 year older, one year more improved….
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The ONLY way I would be against extending Bradley Fletcher is if the Eagles are waiving Cary Williams, and planning on replacing Cary with Bradley and Nolan Carrol starting on the other side… while the corners we draft are being groomed, I can deal with a year of:
Cary Williams, Devin McCourty, Malcolm Jenkins, Nolan Carrol… I will understand starting those outside corners in September if we filled other needs… But I can’t tolerate a Bradley Fletcher/Nolan Carol pairing. Now you are asking too much of me…
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But I’d gladly bring Brad back as a depth player on the bench but not if they cut Cary
More important topic:
CBS or FOX needs to hire Dianna Marie Russini as a sideline reporter.
Seems like a good hire, but I can’t judge unless she’s wearing less clothes and bathed in green light.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjGx5qlCAAAniwe.jpg
Fair enough…
sound logic. but, rather have terrible division and get free pass to playoffs. cant win if they arent in. at least the first one. dont care if it goes down as the luckiest backasswards ref’s blowing calls controversial SB victory ever. just get me that 1st one. 2nd and on, i’ll go for style points.
Around the League News –
John Fox officially hired as HC of Bears. Bears want to interview Tennessee TEs coach Mike Mularkey for OC position.
Doug Marronne and Teryl Austin both cancel HC interviews with Broncos. It appears that Broncos are locked in on Kubiak.
Raiders to hire OL Mike Tice
Jets fire senior director of college scouting Terry Bradway
GR:
Really appreciate your work in posting these ’round-the-NFL blurbs.
Thanks, very much.
Agreed. I need to get my twitter up and running again.
John Fox is exactly the guy to get the Bears back to respectability; and losing playoff games on a regular basis. Funny how what legitimately got Fox fired in Denver represents two or three steps up from where Chicago currently sits.
Big todd Bowles fan, but I’m really confused as to why they would fire Rex, to bring in another defensive coach? If the Jets GM DONT invest in the secondary, Bowles wontbe able to fix what Rex couldn’t.
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And Rex pulled another head scratcher, he left a team with a good defense, no QB that has to play BRady twice a year, and now he is coaching a a team with a good defense, no QB, that has to play BRady twice a year….WTF? Rex Ryan should have taken over the Broncos, or the Falcons..teams with a QB and an Offense.
Maybe the new owners promised a piece of the team? More potential income that way. The Buffalo fanbase is huge, for a so-called small market. The American media doesn’t count the thousands of season ticket holders from Ontario, just as they don’t count the thousands of Seahawks fans from B.C. Stupid really. They all pay the same for the seats and the weak beer and the merchandise. Check out the logo for the Buffalo PBS station.
This is the 12th man flag being raised in Vancouver, BC before the Super Bowl. As I said, the US media outside of Seattle wouldn’t dream of showing this.
http://i.cbc.ca/1.2519492.1391220313!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_460/seahawks-fans-in-vancouver-raise-12th-man-flags.jpg
Surprised that none of the local beat writers have caught wind of this but it sounds like maybe we wanted to hire Brian Gaine as GM so to prevent that Houston is going to kick their current GM upstairs and promote Gaine.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/01/16/source-texans-to-promote-brian-gaine-before-eagles-can-offer-him-gm-job/
The 2008 playoffs were the best football of Mcnabb’s career. He was absolutely clutch in both the Giants and Vikings games (who had great defenses that year) making incredibly tough throws and converting multiple times backed up against our own goal line. The best throw I think he’s ever made was the one where we were backed up against the goal line versus the Vikings and he fired an absolute laser through traffic to hit Jason Avant who got crushed but held onto the ball for a first down. NFLN sometimes shows a replay of that throw from an end zone angle so you can see just how precisely he gunned it in there and how awkward he had to contort his body to make the throw. Big time play, the game was really tight at that time and we couldn’t afford to be punting out of our own endzone.
2008 playoffs Mcnabb wasn’t statistically amazing, but he made so many tough, gritty plays in critical moments to help us win those games, I think that was the best quarterbacking of his career.
And that was totally pass interference on Kevin Curtis on the 4th down play. Ref choked on his flag bigtime, they just didn’t want to see a critical play affected by a penalty. Complete bullshit.
It so didn’t help that the team didn’t get off of the plane ready to play in Arizona. How one chokes against a team that they just beat by 28 points is totally beyond any person’s ability to weakly justify it.
Very true, but that was still total bullshit that they didn’t get DRC for PI on that play.
Agreed, but we should have been up by a million points at that juncture.
Interestingly enough we had the same problem then that we have now. No one could cover Larry Fitzgerald lol. I remember Quentin Demps just falling down.
I have mixed feelings about this. I want to be 6-0 in the division every year, but know that isn’t happening. I enjoy stomping our rivals. I would enjoy the prestige of being 6-0 in a division with two other playoff caliber teams, but wouldn’t mind seeing all of them have putrid seasons.
In either case the ultimate records of those team is always best at 0-16 because all three have fan bases comprised of folks who would best inhabit a wretched hive of scum and villainy because they’re all a bunch of ugly space mutants who Han Solo or Obi Wan should kill with a blaster or lightsaber.
They all deserve to be in this type of mood 24/7. F the whole lot of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6Tn0Ie-AQ
A moderate, you are not.
The only hiring I’m really disappointed about is the Cowboys keeping Marinelli. He was an absolute wizard getting that kind of performance out of those shitty Dallas players. Their defense should have been held together with scotch tape and super glue, but instead managed to be a respectable middle of the pack group. I am astounded by what he managed to do with them, because they had the makings of being one of the most hot garbage defenses in history.
Spags won’t have the elite personnel he had when the Giants were making their SB run so I’m not too worried about him.
Keeping Jason Garrett is just awesome. Most toothless head coach in the league. I hope he stays there forever. Glorified cheerleader.
Toothless. Good description although I was leaning more toward emasculated. I wonder how much money it takes for him to overlook the fact that he’s a eunuch. I know, not nice.
We got a good push from Dallas this season, we were neck and neck with them up until the stretch run.
I enjoy reading everybody’s thouhts and opinions on this blog, and i would like to share an article and ask your opinions on it. It was well written and detailed, and proved a big point that I agree with.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/15/7553363/the-current-state-of-the-qb-conversation-in-philadelphia-is-unbearable
Some of you may have read it already, for those who haven’t, enjoy.
I laugh at people who use ProFootballFocus’s stats to support their points. Those guys are beyond awful.
This was quite a fan post. But like everything if you’re leaning one way it makes a lot of sense, if you’re leaning another you’ll find a way to discount anyone that uses PFF stats to support their points.
Not a bad read until he ruined any credibility with this statement
“Whether its Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty, Colin Kaepernick (through trade), someway, somehow we have to get upgraded at that position.”
Those guys suck.
A couple of years ago, when SF went to the Super Bowl, I thought Kaep showed promise. Many other people, including the coaching staff of the 49ers thought so too. Now, he just doesn’t seem interested in growing. Or growing up. Btw, I don’t hate all running quarterbacks. ;~) Just those that don’t seem to be able to learn anything else.
I like guys that know how to temper their running by always looking to pass. Kaep isn’t one of those guys, he really has no clue what is going on in front of him. Greg Cosell slaughters him all the time for it.
Jets are also expected to let Rod Graves go. Graves would be a good target for the Eagles. They’re releasing him to let the new GM build their own staff, not for any particular failures on his part. Graves has tons of experience.
I remember Graves as Bidwell’s front man for cheapness back in the day in Arizona.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that Graves isn’t adept at his job. If the mandate from the owner is to go cheap, then go cheap well.
I’m vindictive and a true adherent to guilt by association. I hated Harry Gamble until the day he died because he stood there at press conference after press conference and said it wasn’t a big deal the Eagles lost Keith Jackson, Reggie White, Keith Byars, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons, and Eric Allen.
I really have no respect for a company line GM who presides over talent bleeds.
unless it’s after winning a SB…
Ha ha. Is there an NFL equivalent of the Florida Marlins?
Bucs would probably be the closest thing. Loria, or whatever his name is, in Florida should be in prison.
Not a bad example, but I think they waited a few years after their title to nuke the roster.
Was elliot SHar Park the only person to report that the Eagles want to bring Bradley Fletcher back today, or has anyone seen someone else also report this??..I seriously distrust Parks credibility. he is one of my 3 very most hated media members who I least respect in the city, along with Les Bowan and eithet Gonzo or john smallwood…not only is Elliott. Hack, but I don’t trust of belíeve him at all
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Local sixers reporting took a HUGE loss that has never been replaced when we lost Kate Fagan to the National media… She was by far, one of the best this city had
I happen to like Bowen a lot. I agree on Parks; he’s lame.
As in Les Bowen? I swear I never heard anyone say that before lol. Different strokes for different folks I guess
He’s the only one. The thing is exit interviews with the players take place before any concrete decisions have been made about what players to bring back or not. It’s also unknown who that exit interview was with. The secondary coach? The DC? Kelly? I wouldn’t really worry about something that could just be a general pleasantry you give the guy when he’s leaving.
Completely agree….. And truth be told I wouldn’t hate bringing Brad back, I woluld just HATE to bring him back as a starter. If he wants to stay and be a back up, I wouldn’t be opposed to that….my phone was blowing up about this, and I didn’t understand what all the hype was about
hard for him to get real $$ anyway
I think Kelly may have interviewed Graves.
Here’s a link to a picture of Graves:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/16/report-jets-are-getting-rid-of-rod-graves-also/
At the NFLPA game, Kelly was photographed with an older African-American gentleman. Some speculated that it was Sheldon White but I looked at White’s picture and it’s not him. Here’ a link to that photo:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/13/7540067/chip-kelly-nflpa-bowl-practice-eagles-brandon-bridge
Now I realize the photo above is of someone that is balding while the picture of Graves shows him completely bald. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Graves is totally bald. The picture could have been when he shaved his head by personal choice. I’m not 100% confident that the two photographs are of the same person. One is a front angle, and one is an obscured side angle. I think it could be him. Nowe even if it is, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he interviewed. They could both be watching players individually or just engaging in chit-chat.
“African American gentleman”…. Lol that’s the “whitest” thing I ever heard man lol
. It’s Ok. Say it…”Black dude”,., I promise you are allowed to say it lol J/K
Am I reaching and imagining things or does that look like Graves to you? I’d hope that we’d have a GM in place before Senior Bowl practices. Last year though, Kelly had a bunch of assistants in place and working at the Senior Bowl even though they hadn’t officially announced their hires yet. Kelly could have hired someone and just hasn’t seen fit to clue us peasants in.
No, I agree… Looks like it to me
Stretch, could be anyone, but would prefer if it was him. I like him better than the TX guy (more experience). Though the fact that they havent hired anyone makes me think they want to hire the guy in SEA.
Mike Caldwell is joining Bowles with the Jets. Asst HC. Maybe LBs coach too. Kacy Rodgers is going to be their DC.
The crappy part of free agency…….. When guys you hope become free agents sigń extensin with ttheir team.
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Not that surprised, with Rex Ryan in town, the bills entered extension talks with Jerry hughes.. Hughes and Avril extensions should help figure out our COle/BG situation.
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In positive news, the Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator is now safe for 2015 along with their HC and GM, which means the Dolphins won’t be implementing any new defensive scheme so they could try to get anything out of Dion Jordan. they are committed to that 4-3 Defense..,,and we happen to have q stud 4-3 DE who can give you double digit sacks only playing 50% of the time in VINNY Curry. Another year past, so it’s a little cheaper for them to trade Dion away than it was last year…
Complication is MIke Wallace kept quitting on that team, they will have to eat some money cutting mIke Wallace. I don’t see how they can keep him, completely undermine the coaches with a player who refused to go back in games, and on multiple occasions quit on his team mate…
A deal for Jordan makes significantly more sense this year because the dead money part of his deal with Miami will now be significantly reduced.
I’m just not sure if that reduction is enough just yet.
draft is stacked with edge rushers this year. wouldn’t give up much for him
Agreed.
I wouldn’t give up draft pick for him… VINNY curry for Dion straight up. We can’t sign VINNY Longterm, they can’t keep Dion Longterm, might as well,help each other out since its a AFC team
head coach, defensive coordinator, and General Manager(who didn’t draft Dion) are all on their last chance… Miami Dolphons are either one of the better teams next year, or they will clean house and they will all be fired… They don’t have another year to wait to get something out of the #3rd pick in the draft, they need help Now. If they aren’t going to switch to something better suited for his talents, and insist on playing him as a 4-3 DE, not sure how they could realistically expect better results this year.
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For someone like VINNY Curry, that can make an instant impact for them opposite of Cameron Wake, they have to strongly consider it. Currys contract is even cheaper than Dions, and they have time to evaluate Curry before they have to extend him. it will kill me to lose VINNY Curry, but next year would be his last year as an Eagle anyway, and he made some comments last week that lead me to believe his future won’t be in philly…lif I have to lose a defensive player I adore, might as well lose him a year early for a talent like Dion Jordan….. Our defensive scheme, needing to eat up blockers to stop the run, won’t ever be able to offer VINNY Curry a big enough percentage of the snaps to keep a blossoming star like him in philly… He can play 80% of the snaps in Miami at his favorite position, or he can struggle to get 40% of the snaps here, just no way we can keep him, we might as well don u sines with an AFC team, in a deal that benefits both teams
Wow.. Sixers and Nerlens Noel and MCW having an amazing first half
I need to talk nba draft with people outside of Liberty baller s
the sixes realgm board is pretty solid
Oh wow, I don’t know how you can stand that comment section. Never seen a worse combo of pretentious snob and homerism…
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I don’t like to be negative for the sake of being negative, but you can’t say anything bad about any player on that site…
Really? I don’t get that feeling there at all, sorry it’s a bad experience for you man.
Do you read the fanposts over there by ABlindGuy? I find them interesting.
Yeah I do, find a lot guys interesting.
Great point. Let’s just hope our team improves over the offseason as well, starting with the player personnel director!