Some DB Talk

Posted: January 22nd, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 150 Comments »

One of the questions I’ve been throwing at various people in Mobile is whether Cary Williams will take a pay cut or not. He’s due $8.1M this year and clearly isn’t worth that. While it might be nice to let him go entirely, there is an argument to bringing him back for one more year at a reduced rate.

No one I’ve talked to has a good feel for Williams and what he’ll do. He is a very proud guy so you can see him rejecting a pay cut and telling the Eagles to just cut him. But Williams is also a smart guy (off the field). He may realize that the offer from the Eagles will be about as good as what he might get on the open market. Plus, he wouldn’t have to move, change teams and learn new systems. If his family is happy in Philly, Williams just might be willing to stay and play for less.

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A couple of you have asked where Jimmy Bama is writing these days. He is now the lead Eagles writer for a new site called PhillyVoice. Over on the right hand side of this site there is a link to his writing at PV.

Jimmy spoke to someone who covers the Seahawks to ask about CB Byron Maxwell, who we expect to be a key free agent target for the Eagles. The guy Jimmy talked to is Danny Kelly, who knows football and isn’t just a typical writer. His opinion means something.

Kelly said good things about Maxwell. This part stood out for obvious reasons.

The main tenet for Pete Carroll’s system is to not get beat over the top, and Maxwell is fundamentally sound in that area. In fact, the only time off the top of my head that I can remember him getting beat deep was in last year’s Arizona matchup in Week 16, where Michael Floyd made a miraculous catch in the back corner of the end zone even after Maxwell had gotten a hand on the pass and deflected it. So, he does his job well, and that’s evidenced by Seattle’s second straight season giving up the fewest passing yards in the NFL.

I’m guessing Pete Carroll won’t be going after Nate Allen or Bradley Fletcher this offseason.

Make sure you read the whole piece. Good job by Mr. Bama.

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Here are my notes on the South’s practice from Wednesday.

It wasn’t a great day for DBs. S Clayton Geathers was the centerfielder a few times and had trouble locating some deep balls. Part of that may be due to the fact the passes were off target and his back was to the ball. The receivers were able to adjust and then Geathers had to react to them.

I need to study Cody Prewitt and AJ Jefferson a lot more. Both guys have looked solid in Mobile.

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The best barbecue in Mobile is at a place called The Brick Pit. It is almost a 25 minute drive from the stadium but it is worth it. I got there and the place was full of locals and Giants scouts. I got my food to go and then ate in the car. I had pulled pork, potato salad and beans. Fantastic. 5-stars. Like heaven in your mouth. Make sure you go to The Brick Pit if you ever come to town.

And now for your daily Alex Flanagan update…we stood near each other on the field. I think she was trying to hit on me as she interviewed several players. That’s her version of playing hard to get, right?

150 Comments on “Some DB Talk”

1 GermanEagle said at 9:55 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
So you stole my Maxy quote that I stole from Jimmy who stole it from Danny. Life as a criminal can be so much fun!
2 deg0ey said at 10:06 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
You ate in the car? Do we have to call you Tommy Asomugha now?
3 GermanEagle said at 10:21 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
He was with him.
4 Bert's Bells said at 12:02 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
” I got my food to go and then ate in the car”, that’s a lot of words, I thought, when he could have just said “I Nnamdi’d my BBQ”.
5 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 10:23 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Just think of the Sonic commercials and replace the two guys in the car with Tommy and Nnamdi and there you go.
6 brza said at 10:16 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
Plus Williams would have to look for new sconces if he moved. We all know how difficult and time consuming sconce searching can be.
7 A_T_G said at 12:12 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
If we try to cut his salary, Williams is ripping those damned sconces off the wall and taking them with him.
8 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 4:56 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Sconces was crying about dead legs week 3 this season. Yea lets cut that guys pay and bring him back his attitude and play are both likely to improve!
9 MaggieOnMars said at 8:58 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Getting even more tired of him complaining that he got burned because nobody came over to help him.
10 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 9:23 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Never seen such untimely penalties.
D finally make a big stop….. Sconces with the killer penalty 1st and goal!
11 P_P_K said at 11:05 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
On Alex Flanagan’s blog, I believe she has a daily Tommy Lawlor spotting.
12 ceedubya9 said at 11:05 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
Well, unless he just didn’t want to play in Philly anymore, I don’t know why he wouldn’t take a pay cut. I doubt he’d get much more than what the Eagles would give him anywhere else. He’s definitely not the greatest corner in the world, but he isn’t a huge liability that seems to get torched every week. the other side definitely needs to be upgraded. In a perfect scenario, imo, I’d have Williams still there with an upgrade at safety and the other CB spot from FA.
13 SuPaFrO said at 11:39 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
Ahhhhhhhh u have to love this week. All these great stuff from Tommy (and a few others)
14 xeynon said at 11:39 AM on January 22nd, 2015:
Tommy, my issue with Maxwell is that I don’t know how good he actually is in a vacuum. Will he perform nearly as well in a secondary which doesn’t have All Pros at the other three positions? I have my doubts. It’s easy not to get beat when the guy across the field from you can singlehandedly shut down any receiver in the league and you have two of the best safeties in the game helping you out. Not so much when you’re playing with Cary Williams and Malcolm Jenkins.
15 Ark87 said at 12:11 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
fair point, he’s good enough to be excellent in a great unit. Which at least is better than being the weak link the holds it back or being merely average. The question is would he at least be good in our train-wreck secondary? And are we willing to over-pay for that?
My take is if the personnel guys think he can be good for us, do it. If all we can do is get our hands on 4 Malcolm Jenkins caliber players in say, 3 years, that would be a drastic improvement to this secondary, and worth the money in my opinion.
16 philliesfan123 said at 1:04 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
xeynon, I’m totally with you on that. I’m not sure either that Maxwell is the type of ( top tier ) cornerback that is a ( stand alone ) shutdown guy, vs a ( sum of the parts ) guy. His playing with 3 of the best players at their positions ( all pro bowlers ) in the NFL, i.e. – Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman, could have a lot to do with his success. I have to be honest that I haven’t seen a ton of him playing, but what I have seen tells me that he is, very physical at the line of scrimmage ( jamming receivers, run defense ) and is pretty good at jump balls ( playing the ball , deflections ) but has a little difficulty in change of direction ( looks like might have tight hips ) and staying with the more speedy receivers who have some wiggle. Then again, what corners don’t struggle with that sometimes. We will have to leave it up to the experts ( Chip and his NEW guy ) to make that decision.
17 sonofdman said at 2:48 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
xeynon
3 hours ago
Tommy, my issue with Maxwell is that I don’t know how good he actually is in a vacuum.
Who cares? We don’t play any games in space next season.
18 D3FB said at 11:18 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’m sure they would rather play in Space than Detroit. Probably alot safer too.
19 A_T_G said at 12:06 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
In some deep, dark corner of my mind, I am hoping Seattle signs Nate Allen as a FA and he is better than Thomas.
20 eagleyankfan said at 12:24 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Or we have an even worse playing safety, who stunk here, leave and is now playing in the SB and even signed an extension.
21 Ark87 said at 12:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I still spot him once in a while doing Chung things, whiffing on tackles, taking bad angles, whiffing on a tackle with a bad angle and taking out his own guy, somehow looking for a block on special teams and finding his own guy and tackling him instead, but it’s amazing how it’s tolerable in an otherwise functional setting.
22 Baloophi said at 12:47 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Of course only one of them has the range to cover that deep, dark corner of your mind…
23 BobSmith77 said at 12:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Eating in your car by yourself? Is that Nnadmi-inspired?
24 GermanEagle said at 1:06 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Scroll down, my friend. 😉
25 Ankerstjernen said at 12:38 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Hey Tommy, thanks for all this extraordinarily great info. Been following your blog for years now and while its always informative and a great read, you manage to take it even further during this time of year. Enjoy the BBQ man.
26 Dave said at 12:56 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Alex Flanagan? Tommy you can do better than that!
Samantha Ponder, Melissa Stark, Sarah Spain, Charissa Thompson, Erin Andrews, April Rose
When all else fails maybe Megan fox (football, pudding, pulled pork) you never know could happen!
27 A Roy said at 1:18 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
BBQ W/O PBR?
28 Dave said at 1:45 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
True forgot the PBR
29 philliesfan123 said at 1:21 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Answers : Football …. pudding and pulled pork.
Questions : Tommys Lawlors favorite subject. –
Football.
What ” Megan Fox ” lips ( probably ) taste / feel like. –
Pudding.
What Tommy Lawlor fantasized about, while standing
next to Alex Flanagan. –
Getting his ” pork ” – pulled.
30 Dave said at 1:47 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Lol
31 philliesfan123 said at 1:51 PM on January 28th, 2015:
Pulled pork …… classic double entendre.
32 Media Mike said at 6:46 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Samantha Ponder has lost a serious level of attractiveness due to her propensity to marry slow adults. Her husband is straight up padded helmet in the back of the short bus material.
33 Dave said at 6:58 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
So Lawlor has a better shot and he uses the pudding to distract the husband!
34 Media Mike said at 6:59 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Good point!
35 RobNE said at 1:02 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Was there a NC sauce, mustard sauce or ketchup based sauce with the pulled pork? More details please. Would a picture be too hard?
36 A_T_G said at 1:20 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
He ate it in his car, so, obviously, it came with a Grey Poupon-based sauce.
37 Insomniac said at 1:24 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Tommy is the Nnamdi of the Eagles media team.
38 Sean Stott said at 1:42 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
What is up with Byron Maxwell’s shoulder pads? They always looks way different than any other player on the field. Gives him a look like pointy shoulders.
http://i.imgur.com/N3hbE5b.jpg
39 Media Mike said at 6:48 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Is he the Garth Snow of football? I’ve had enough of shoulder pad controversies in this town.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Voila_Capture-2014-11-20_04-41-00_PM1.jpg
40 Joe Minx said at 2:06 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Megan Fox will not be happy if she ever finds out you’re cheating on her with Alex Flanagan.
41 ACViking said at 2:23 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Re: Some info on Bryan Bennett
From his bio at UOregon:
“Has been timed at 4.52 in the 40 meters and 4.16 in the shuttle run … As a track athlete, boasts a long jump of 22-10, triple jump of 46-6, a broad jump of 10-6 and has a 36-inch vertical”
http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=204971236
42 CrackSammich said at 2:28 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Read that URL as “god sucks.com” at first. It struck me as a weird website to have advanced football articles…
43 ACViking said at 2:35 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’ve edit my intro to create a subliminal prompt that keeps God on the sidelines.
44 Mitchell said at 3:49 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Perhaps they should drop Williams, sign Williams to a vet min, grab Maxwell, one of the SF boys, Chromartie, etc, move Carrol outside, draft a cb in the first 3 rounds and a flyer late in the 6/7.
A lot of this depends on Watkins. If they think he can start then we won’t even need to go after “big” in FA. I’m basing this off of Cary not taking a pay cut and extrapolating what I say from Watkins. Boykin would obviously stay in the slot.
As far as the draft, not as high on Wayne’s as I was because I fear his body will remain to slender. His fram just doesn’t look like he can add a ton of weight. I would say Gunter, Rowe or Collins.
45 anon said at 4:20 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Watkins will get abused. We need a way better safety. You’re going to put some late round guy on ODB, Dez Bryant (even Terrance williams), desean?
More than happy to get a cromarte and rotate watkins in, they should have rotated watkins the last 3-4 games of the season when brad was getting tore up all game.
I’d be happy with a combo of Cox, Cary and Carroll — the triple C’s, with Watkins rotating and Carroll dropping into dime LB in sets with lots of DBs.
I’d also take a safety in FA, and let him rotate high a mid round rookie. The question is obviously, if you buy a high priced DB, what kind of kids are you going to draft? Do you still spend high picks or do you take developmental fliers?
46 Mitchell said at 4:26 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Need more high DB talent regardless. If I had it my way, I’d trade back and grab an extra 2nd-3rd and use 2 picks in the first 3 rounds to get a S and a CB. There is nothing back there. I’m also pissed I have to watch this dumb Tom Brady interview instead of the Senior Bowl practices.
It remains to be seen if Watkins can or can not be good covering those top flight players. He was the first player taken in the 4th and obviously only 1 year in the league, he has size and speed. I’m not saying he can (I’d lean that way) but it’s too early to say he can’t.
47 anon said at 4:33 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Agree — hopefully new coach helps, and some later round players can ball. I think safety is the key, knowing that if you get beat, or you’re playing trail that someone will have your back and maybe even make a play (before the game is out of hand).
48 Mitchell said at 4:35 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Yes, to add to your point and perhaps counter a bit, I don’t think it matters where the talent comes from as long as we get better somewhere. If you replace Fletcher now you don’t have to worry about him getting beat CONSTANTLY at the same time like you said, if there is a S with instincts, you can get beat and the safety is there to bail you out. At this point, I would rather have a safety with more field visions than a spectacular tackler. If Nate has x degree more instincts he probably intercepts many more balls or has many more PBU’s.
49 RobNE said at 4:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Is Brady admitting to cheating?
50 Mitchell said at 4:44 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
No, but this may be more frustrating than Cooper dropping that TD pass at SF. Nobody gets between me and my draft prospects!
51 anon said at 5:47 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
close right?
52 anon said at 5:47 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
agree. Also maybe CBs with hands. It’d trade some of those PBUs for picks.
53 KAJomo said at 6:34 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
It drives me crazy to see teams like the Packers and Ravens go to the playoffs every year starting late round rookies and just making it work. Those guys are somehow serviceable and gain good experience. They are key contributors for years. Our late round guys never get a shot.
54 anon said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Coaching….also Ravens don’t let the Trent Coles and Meco Ryans stay around.
55 D3FB said at 11:14 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Except that Daryl Smith is two years older than Meco.
and
Suggs is a week older than Cole.
56 MaggieOnMars said at 8:53 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Never?
57 GEAGLE said at 7:25 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I like watkins a lot, I’m just not sure we will give him a shot to be more than an inside corner… Ii assume Nolan starts outside and Watkins replaces him in Dime.. If Boykin ever got hurt, Watkins would move into Nickel….. I know he will ATleast be a quality inside corner for us…but hopefully he can be more, and figures it out at either outside cornerback or Safety….. How much bigger is a free agent safety like Rahim Moore than Watkins?… is Watkins a tough enough tackler to play Safety? How much heavier is the Honeybadger?
58 anon said at 7:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
would you put a guy like Boykin on the block?
59 oreofestar said at 7:39 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I would
60 Avery Greene said at 4:45 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Can’t think of it like that. Have to think in terms of player ability. Chancellor, Maxwell, Sherman, Grimes (undrafted), and Brock (undrafted). If they have skills and coaching (which we’ve hopefully fixed) late round guys can be had in the secondary.
Andre Waters (my #2 fav safety) was undrafted as well.
No, you don’t draft late rounds to be starters right away, but you can’t be closed to the idea that a guy might come in and play lights out, which we would most likely cut someone that we determined to be a stop-gap starter anyways. There’s no one right now on the roster that jumps out at you as a long term starter (2+ years) on the corners or 2nd safety spot.
Also, I hope they can find another corner so they can cut Cary. Too expensive and not very good.
61 MaggieOnMars said at 8:52 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
ODB was a moderately good rookie WR, doing alright, until he made that highlight of the night catch. Now everybody thinks he’s the next Jerry Rice. What’s with that? Why is everything that is all glitter so over-valued, while the solid gold underneath is ignored? By so many?
62 Bert's Bells said at 4:27 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
You had me with “drop Williams”!
63 Insomniac said at 4:33 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
You’ll know if Waynes can put on weight after the combine when they find out his body type. He just needs to put on like 10 pounds anyway.
64 Mitchell said at 4:38 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
He was listed at 182 and there is a good chance he is probably lighter than that. I look at his frame and see a super thin guy and while it’s only 10-15 lbs that may be super difficult for him. But yeh, its not like he needs 30 lbs or something ridiculous. All I know is that if he doesn’t add the weight, he’s gonna get thrown like a rag doll.
65 Insomniac said at 4:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Just pure speculation at this point. You wouldn’t pass over Randy Moss for TO just because TO looks more jacked.
66 Mitchell said at 4:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
That’s in retrospect. You wouldn’t pass on Tom Brady if you knew he was going to be great. I’m just going off on what I know to this point.
67 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 4:59 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
“U wouldn’t pass on Brady if u know he can deflate”
68 Insomniac said at 5:01 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Did you measure Waynes wrist? AJ Green looks nowhere near 200 pounds.
69 Mitchell said at 5:05 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
AJ Green is 6’4, so yeh, I could believe it. I’m not saying Waynes can’t add the weight, like I said above previously.
70 Insomniac said at 5:15 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I used Green as an example because he is long and thin. You have a nutrition and sports science guru working with this team. My point is that being slightly underweight is better than being overweight and having poor eating habits.
71 BobSmith77 said at 3:53 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
3:41 Apparently Dez Byrant loves Funyuns too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRmyXX6ipU&feature=youtu.be
72 Mitchell said at 4:55 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Why does RGIII do that with his tongue, so strange.
73 Mitchell said at 5:11 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Tomlinson looking really good today in 1v1 drills. He just stonewalled Danny Shelton…. Very impressive. The 3 reps I saw, He didn’t let anybody sniff the qb.
74 GermanEagle said at 5:16 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Are you in Mobile too?!
75 Mitchell said at 5:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’m everywhere……
76 GermanEagle said at 6:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Dude, you’re freaking me out!!!
77 GEAGLE said at 6:00 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Praying we can steal Shelton, turn around and immediately trade Ced and Vinny to recoup the picks we spent on Shelton who wasnt a positip of need…
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If we can add 345lb of man beast in the middle of Logan and beast Cox, we become the most dominant youngDL in the league, especially with Fairly and Suh about to breakup…mthey would be so big and brutal up front we could add a fast play making ILB next to Kendricks and just have the two athlete ILB fly around wreaking havoc, instead of having to add a beefier thumper ILB to play next to Kemdricks..
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Danny Shelton, Erik Kendricks….mtrading Curry and Ced….
78 Media Mike said at 6:49 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
What does Vinny get you in a trade, a 6th?
79 GEAGLE said at 6:50 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Funny… dion Jordan
80 GEAGLE said at 5:49 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Don’t really expect to see Cary take a paycut, more likely he restructures, signs a two year extension that gets his cap figure down, but write the contract in away we can easily get out of it after next season, so while Cary probably gets a new two year deal, this will be his last season, because after this year the corner we draft should be able to be counted on to start september of 2016…… Fingers crossed we get lucky and draft a corner that transitions to the NFL quickly and can take Cary’s job this year, but we can’t count on that which is why Cary has to be here one more year, just to make a smooth transition to a corner we draft….
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Hopefully we work it out with Cary and they start Cary and Nolan in September with a better safety behind them…. If they can’t work it out with Cary, they will waive him and bring back Bradley to start opposite of Nolans as the stop gap which would really really suck…
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Eagles don’t have any young outsider corners on the roster so they 100% wañt to go yoûng at the position, which is why they will keep our continuity in place with the stop gap veterans Cary and Nolan, while the rookies we draft grow enough to take the stop gaps place, hopefully sooner rather than later….improved safety play should help in the mean time..they will pay for a safety, draft the corners… Best case scenario, the corners we draft look so great right away, we can end up waiving Cary in August, but we can’t count on that, which is why he has to be brought back just in case the corners we draft need a year to grow into the NFL role
81 anon said at 6:02 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I think if you do that you gotta pay for a safety. Doesn’t mean they do, but i think that will help mediocre corners not look terrible.
82 GEAGLE said at 6:10 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Eagles will absolutely pay for a safety. Just look at it from a roster building perspective, you want a mix of youth and veterans at every position…Eagles won’t mind paying for a veteran safety because theyhave a handful of young safeties on the roster. We have no young outside cornees in the pipeline being groomed, so they are going to want to draft corners..
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If the Eagles pay big money for a free agent, he has to fill a big need and be the perfect fit in every way possible….. That’s devin McCourty! The perfect mirrored safety to Jenkins, both former corners,…. If we can’t get Devin they will turn their attention to someone like Rahim..
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Maybe if we strike out and can’t sign a safety, they will change approach and sigń a veteran corner, but I think that’s highly unlikely…
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Pay for Safety, draft your corners,.
83 botto said at 6:35 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
why would mccourtey make it out of NE?
84 KAJomo said at 6:36 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
The are currently over the cap. The logic is they will have to choose between Revis and McCourty
85 GEAGLE said at 6:42 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Because,they can’t keep Browner, Revis and McCourty….. They HAVE to lose one, they just paid chung, and I assume Revis and Bellichek have fallen in love by now… Think Bellicek will value his corners more and think he can replace McCourty easier.. He can make Chung a good safety, probably thinks he has the Midas safety touch lol
86 botto said at 7:43 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
well ok then lets sign this dude !
87 BreakinAnklez said at 6:23 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Assuming there is one…good ones don’t normally see the light of day
88 GEAGLE said at 5:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Tom, is Danny Shelton Dominating as much as they say he is?
89 KAJomo said at 6:29 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Reports are he dominates when fresh, but gets winded after only a couple of plays.
Im not sure why you love him so much. He will struggle being on the field as much as we ask our defense to play. You are also assuming you get good value for Ced. He would get us a 5th maybe. Too many things would have to go perfect for this to work out for us. I’d just rather address the secondary and keep te continuity we have up front. They are already one of the best fronts in the league
90 GEAGLE said at 6:37 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’m not assuming anything about Ced…
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Not sure why I like someone who scouts argue whether reminds them more of Haloti Ngata or Dontairie Poe
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I want 6 defensive lineman playing im ever game…
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FYI, every single time some Dominate 340lb prospect enters a draft. You can ALWAYS find someone who is calling them lazy or questioning their motor,..A!WAYS
91 KAJomo said at 6:41 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Fair point. I still think its highly unlikely that he will be a Chip target in this draft
Plus you talk me into Jalen Collins and now you pull this. Pick a bandwagon and stick with it.
92 GEAGLE said at 6:48 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I have heard chip rave about Halati Ngata and those RARE 340lbers who can move on a couple of occassions, but chup mentions how rare they are and hard to get… If we have a chance to trade a 3rd round pick to go up 3 spots and get one of those rare behmoths that can move, you do it and say thank you…. That’s adding a Marcel Dareus type of beast in the middle…. Like Logan, Shelton doesn’t have to go to the bench on pass rushing downs.
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I heard chip rave about this type of talent, I heard chip talk about how hard they are to come by… If we have a Chance at one, I assume we take it….but it’s not a crazy need to where you HAVE to get one…. If teams in the top 15 are snatching up OL and Edge rushers and he starts to fall, think you have to consider it
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You don’t NEED him, but adding a guy like him really can take your young DL to scary elite status for years to come… Beastly front 7 means we don’t need a safety to help against the run
93 GEAGLE said at 6:17 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
2015 Defense!!!
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……….Logan………..Danny Shelton……….Cox…………
Barwin/Dion…..Kendricks……Kendricks…….COle/Marcus
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Cary Williams..,,Jenkins..,.,,,McCourtey………Nolan Carrol
Nickel Boykin
Dime Jaylen Watkins
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draft Shelton and Erik Kendricks
Sigń Devin McCourty
trade Vinny Curry for Dion Jordan
restructure Cole, Meco, Cary
Trade Ced for a draft pick (if we get him under contract)
Draft a corner to replace Cary ASAP
94 KAJomo said at 6:24 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Teams dont sign players to contracts and trade them in today’s nfl. We need to give a signing bonus which gets prorated as soon as he’s traded. Also it is just bad business. It creates too much mistrust amongst players. Its just shady. Think about it. When is the last time you have heard of someone being signed to a multi year contract and traded.
95 GEAGLE said at 6:27 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Don’t really expect him to sign a monster contract before the draft anyway
96 GEAGLE said at 6:26 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
deForrest Buckner is going back to Oregon for his senior year…. Armstead is the “sexy potential”..Buckner “is the gritty sure shot”, I have a feeling chip and Azzinaro adore Buckner from his motor, size, length, Charecter…. if they loved Taylor Hart you can bet they will be high on Buckner at 6’7 290lbs…
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What makes him going back to school significant, is we will lose Vinny Curry after this year, by then Bair will be like 67yrs old and need a hip replacement and we willl be in the market for a DE, so this kid going back to school may fit our timeline really well..
97 KAJomo said at 6:31 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I wonder if there is any way we can hold onto Curry. I just know someone will give him a shot to start. He is just so good for us on passing downs
98 GEAGLE said at 6:40 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Vinny is one of my 5 favorite Eagles, so I hate to say this but my understanding is NO SHOT We can retain Vinny past this season,l. We have a much better shot of keeping Graham, than Vinny….and I hate to say that…
99 GermanEagle said at 6:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
First I was of this opinion as well, but when thinking about this again there may be a small chance that we can keep Vinny. Starting to believe that a 10 Mio Signing Bonus may get it done?!
100 GEAGLE said at 7:12 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
NO chance we can keep him…. He knows he can play in this league, and we can’t compete with what 4-3 teams will offer him…. He basically said he wants to see how many snaps he gets next year, talking about how he wants to start….no way that playing him 40% of snaps (at the most) can keep him here long term… A 4-3 team will value a young beast who is about to blow up and whos best ball is still ahead of him……No shot we can keep him, might as well trade him for a young player who is a better fit that we can keep here long term, unless we want to let Vinny walk for a compensatory pick, but that’s only if we don’t plan on being active in free agency next year
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It’s going to kill me watching Curry beast Opposite Cameron wake next year for Miami
101 RobNE said at 6:27 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
RobNE’s pulled pork on the smoker
102 Avery Greene said at 6:38 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Oooh what type of wood do you use? I’ve been doing mine in the oven w/liquid smoke and it’s good, but not real smoker good. My wife promised me we could get one this summer.
103 RobNE said at 6:47 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
google Weber Bullet. It’s a vertical smoker.
104 Avery Greene said at 6:49 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Thanks! I’ve got my rub down pretty good, now all I need is the real smoker.
105 RobNE said at 6:55 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
if you can afford it, I recommend it. Been a lot of fun. I’ve tried a few different rubs and sauces. There are lots of books with different recipes, and if you google virtual weber bullet there are recipes there including for pulled pork (rub and sauce etc.).
106 GermanEagle said at 6:39 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Looks awesome. Jealous.
107 GermanEagle said at 6:40 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
So no Jeff Garcia and his hot wife:
Boston College OC/QBs coach Ryan Day is expected to join #Eagles as QBs coach, league source said. Replaces Bill Musgrave.
108 Greg Richards said at 6:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Here’s his bio from BC’s web site:
http://www.bceagles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ryan_day_292291.html
109 GermanEagle said at 6:52 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Thanks.
110 anon said at 6:55 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Some excerpts:
Directed the Eagle offense to a 96.9 percent red-zone conversion rate in
2013, a mark good for second among all programs in the nation; team
scored on 32-of-33 trips into the red zone
Coordinated the Eagle run attack to an average of 212.5 yards per game, a
mark good for second in the Atlantic Coast Conference and 20th among
all teams in college football in 2013; the average was a 121.5-yard
spike from the previous season’s average, marking the largest one-year
improvement in ACC history.
The most interesting part is that he’s got no history of really being a QB coach or “guru” — he was primarily a WR coach.
111 Greg Richards said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
He was their offensive coordinator/QBs coach the past 2 years.
112 BreakinAnklez said at 8:57 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
Didn’t he play QB…
113 Greg Richards said at 6:52 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Nepotism? Is he Chip’s secret love child or something? Looks like a good hire to me in the sense that he has experience but isn’t high profile enough that he’s likely to get an OC job after one season.
114 GermanEagle said at 6:53 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
They were together at New Hampshire.
115 Greg Richards said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
That’s not what nepotism is. Nepotism is favoritism towards relatives. Perhaps it’s cronyism.
116 GermanEagle said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
It’s nepotism in a wider sense though. Let’s call it a Day!?
117 RobNE said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
this way all of his Eagles clothing still works.
118 Media Mike said at 6:45 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Tommy:
I don’t blame you for eating in the car if human scum Giants staff was there. Shame on the owners of that establishment for allowing Giants trash in their eatery.
119 anon said at 6:50 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’m sure they are still patting themselves on the back for that ODB pick — probably saved all their jobs.
120 Media Mike said at 6:50 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Until he’s injured again and has his toughness called out by the head coach.
121 anon said at 6:56 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
hah yeah Tom. C. should buy him a car. He was def. getting fired – talked smack on ODB for the first half of the season.
122 Ankerstjernen said at 5:33 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
I sickens me that the G’s got ODB in that draft knowing that Chip and Howie would have probably taken him, had he fallen to us. So now I am trying to put a positive spin on it; the ODB-pick looks like the real reason the giants didnt clean house this year. He made Eli look much better and that saved Coughlins ass in return. The result is that they are all back again come september. Given how dysfunctional that team has been since their last superbowl-run (a season in which they werent actually good until playoffs) could this be an overall positive? I mean, Eli as a QB doesnt scare me at all, we have his number and so does the rest of the league. And Coughlin appears to be stuck in another era, playing underachievers all over that defense. A turnover is exactly what that team needs. And they wont get it because of ODB.
123 MaggieOnMars said at 8:44 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Money is money.
124 Rambler said at 9:38 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I think he was eating in his car alone because he misses Nnamdi.
125 anon said at 6:49 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
49ers hired TEs coach Eric Mangini as defensive coordinator.
126 Media Mike said at 6:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Not a bad guy to have if you’re trying to stay with your 3-4.
127 Weapon Y said at 7:07 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Not quite the same thing as Juan Castillo
128 MaggieOnMars said at 8:43 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Castillo actually had prvious experience on both sides of the LOS.
129 Jarock said at 8:54 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Not at the pro level. Hadn’t coached defense since 1989 in college and it wasn’t as the coordinator. Has been an OL coach most of his pro career.
130 MaggieOnMars said at 8:59 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Yes, yes. I’ve read his bio.
131 Jarock said at 9:44 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Sorry, not trying to be hyper-critical. I just remember the hiring and feeling confused. I’m enough of an optimist that I hoped it would work out but I certainly didn’t expect it. I can understand Castillo wanting to get into coaching defense instead of being stuck on the OL, but he should have been moved to DL or LB.
Mangini was New England’s D coordinator before so while his most recent job was TE coach, it’s not that much of a stretch for him to be a D coordinator again.
132 anon said at 12:32 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
yeah i was wondering why TE coach. But maybe they just gave him a job to get him in the building.
133 Weapon Y said at 12:24 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
Yeah, as a high school coach in the 80s. Mangini was a defensive assistant and coordinator in the 2000s until he became a head coach and then became a TEs coach for 2 years. Not quite the same leap.
134 Weapon Y said at 6:57 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
How many writers go to the Senior Bowl? It seems like there are a lot of Eagles writers and I wondered what the turnout was for other teams.
135 anon said at 6:59 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
It’s funny. Sheil is down there but there’s not really relevant info on their site. He’s there more to get scuttlebut (who is CK talking to, trade rumors, anecdotes, etc.) than to scout — i feel like Tommy is there more in a scouting capacity.
136 Weapon Y said at 7:30 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I’m just figuring that if the major news websites like Philly.com, Nj.com, and CSNPhilly have people there, and Kempski and Lawlor and PhillyMag are all there, imagine how many more reporters there are who cover teams other than the Eagles too. The hotels in Mobile must be packed with some really interesting people, once you factor in the coaches, GMs, scouts, and players too.
137 anon said at 7:36 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
That’s probably why people go.
138 Weapon Y said at 12:22 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
Right. I’m just commenting on what a cool experience it would be to be there with the crowd.
139 MaggieOnMars said at 8:42 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
It’s probably like the saying that more business is conducted on the golf course than in the boardroom. And the fact that men gossip constantly, although they will deny it. Or call it “networking”. ;~)
140 GEAGLE said at 7:30 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
I was wondering WTF is the point of someone like Elliot Jerkoff PARKER going to the senior bowl? What is his purpose to be there? Does anyone value his scouting expertise? All a guy like him can get out of it is the official measurements which get posted anyway, or who teams talk to as if that’s a big deal….
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Our Local media has NO Business going there…. Instead of paying to send jerkoff PARKER to mobile, NJ.com should hire a scout, or AMATUER scout to send to the seniors bowl…. There are like 15 local media members there, and nothing for them to report onl… I don’t get why they are even there.?
141 RobNE said at 7:06 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
so now Belicheat and Brady have both said in press conferences they had nothing to do with the Deflate-gate. Just a weird coincidence this happened. Nothing to see here, move along.
142 GEAGLE said at 7:32 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Were you expecting detailed confessions?
143 MaggieOnMars said at 8:40 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Did anybody mention the underinflated balls which the Ravens noticed first? Or the pattern of skirting the rules? For more than 10 years?
144 Jarock said at 8:51 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Even if they did, do you really think Bellicheck or Brady would have given them anything but a cold stare?
145 anon said at 7:40 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Johny Football: Haslam said the team is leaving open
the possibility of using its first-round pick on a signal caller, as
well as re-signing Brian Hoyer. Asked specifically about Johnny Manziel,
Haslam didn’t mince words. “Johnny has to show on and off the field
that he can be a professional. He knows that.”
Interesting, makes me wonder if a guy like Winston could fall and Mariota go higher.
146 Jarock said at 8:15 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Maturity and approach to the game is every bit as important as physical ability. Manziel is immature, but none of his off field decisions are of the criminal nature. Winston is also immature but his off-field decisions have been of the criminal nature. Why would you pay and put someone of such questionable character in charge of your organization?
Good news for fans of both guys is that maturity can improve. Manziel still has time to grow up although it’s getting shorter all the time. Winston is still practically a baby. Both have to be considered very risky investments.
147 D3FB said at 10:44 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Manziel’s 13 months older than Winston.
148 Jarock said at 10:54 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Yep, and Manzeil’s already worked to convince a pro coaching staff and front office that he can’t hack it. Less to do with age than impressions. Winston’s lack of pro experience here is a benefit. Every stupid thing he’s done has been in college meaning stupid front offices will think they can ‘reform’ him and take advantage of his exceptional talent. Winston has Ryan Leaf written all over him.
149 D3FB said at 10:59 PM on January 22nd, 2015:
Fair enough, I thought you were arguing that because Manziel is older that his time is so much shorter.
150 Eagles News: Philadelphia looking at Senior Bowl pass rushers | nflfans247.net said at 6:37 AM on January 23rd, 2015:
[…] Some DB Talk – Iggles BlitzOne of the questions I’ve been throwing at various people in Mobile is whether Cary Williams will take a pay cut or not. He’s due $8.1M this year and clearly isn’t worth that. While it might be nice to let him go entirely, there is an argument to bringing him back for one more year at a reduced rate. No one I’ve talked to has a good feel for Williams and what he’ll do. He is a very proud guy so you can see him rejecting a pay cut and telling the Eagles to just cut him. But Williams is also a smart guy (off the field). He may realize that the offer from the Eagles will be about as good as what he might get on the open market. Plus, he wouldn’t have to move, change teams and learn new systems. If his family is happy in Philly, Williams just might be willing to stay and play for less. […]