Talent Shows

Posted: January 17th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 144 Comments »

At 4 pm there will be 2 all star games.


East-West Shrine Game – NFL Network

There won’t be stars or elite prospects in the games, but there will be some players of interest.

Here are some names in the Shrine Game that I’ll be focusing on for the Eagles.

QB Taylor Heinicke

OT Darian Miller

WR Devin Gardner

WR Tre McBride

LB Jake Ryan

CB Justin Coleman

CB Damian Swann

ILB Taiwan Jones

OLB Tony Washington

DB Josh Shaw

Obviously all DBs will be of interest.

It is a shame that both games are at the same time. I’ll be focusing on the Shrine Game, but will have the other TV on the other game. There are some interesting QBs and DBs in that as well.


144 Comments on “Talent Shows”

  1. 1 Insomniac said at 4:13 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Waller looks about the same size as Mike Evans/Kelvin Benjamin. He played at Georgia Tech so he should be able to block right?

  2. 2 TommyLawlor said at 4:19 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Yes, he can block. Problem is that he’s not that good of a WR. Project

  3. 3 KAJomo said at 4:43 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    There was spme talk that teams are looking at him more as a TE

  4. 4 TommyLawlor said at 4:22 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    LB Jake Ryan with a tackle on the kickoff.

  5. 5 Charlie Kelly said at 4:31 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I heard great things about Rakeem Cato. He is playing in the NFLPA Bowl. Could be a late round gem, perfect fit for chip’s offense.

  6. 6 ACViking said at 4:45 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    RE: Revisiting a Universal Swing-and-Miss

    T-Law and Belichick:

    Would you both mind — with 20-20 hindsight — revisiting the 2012 draft projections on Trent Richardson and offering your views on What The Heck Happened with him . . . AND THE SCOUTING COMMUNITY?!?!

    Also, I’m wondering whether — after 2-3 years — teams (GM, scouts at least) formally convene to revisit past player evaluations and draft board arrays to compare what they projected versus what’s happened. Then try to figure out why they may have hit on players and why they may have missed.

    For example (re: my second question), prior to the 2012 draft, T-Law not only rated Miss St DT Fletcher Cox the best D-lineman available (ahead of Dontari Poe and Michael Brockers) . . . T-Law predicted the Eagles would have to trade up to get him and the Birds *WOULD* trade up for Cox.

    On the other hand, T-Law was conflicted about Russell Wilson — liking him quite a bit based on this regular season film, but then — post-Senior Bowl — expressing growing concerns about his ability to function well from the pocket.

    Bottom line, T-Law said Wilson needed to be in the right system to succeed.

    And — as T-Law argued — Wilson’s been in a great system, on a great team, for him. Certainly his first couple seasons.

    But this year, Wilson’s taken a big step forward beyond being just a system guy. At least it looks that way to my untrained eye.

  7. 7 Greg Richards said at 4:49 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Conclusion: Chip needs to hire T-Law as the “GM”.

  8. 8 ACViking said at 4:54 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    He could do a lot worse.

    And may.

  9. 9 Always Hopeful said at 5:33 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Sad for us, good for Eagles…wait, good for Eagles = good for us

  10. 10 Greg Richards said at 5:38 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I don’t know if Tommy will reply but he might not necessarily be interested. Lots of travel, time away from your family and the pay isn’t great for an entry level guy. It’s a young man’s game.

  11. 11 MaggieOnMars said at 7:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Not so sure about that. I have watched part of the NFL Network’s documentary on the Gnat’s scouts, called “Finding Giants”. Most of those scouts are retired players or coaches, not necessarily NFL, but not young.

  12. 12 D3FB said at 11:07 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Dibs on VP of college scouting

  13. 13 GEAGLE said at 6:00 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Lurie did say that after 3 years he Likes to review the draft, which is why he didn’t want to speak on this past years class but steered the conversation to look back on the 2012 class.. I’m sure part of his review is most likely looking At all the players each scout and Exec believed in and grading each persons accuracy 3 years later when he can see what the players grew into…. Lurie does this, if Their is a GM secure In his job, who still had the same acouts working for him 3 years later, he probabky would revisit the draft to grade the opinions and suggestions of each of his underlings… BUT ITS tough to do, if the acouts who were there for the draft 3 years ago moved on…… But when there’s stability, I assume they definitely go back and review previous draft classes to see how accurate the people working under him have been

  14. 14 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 11:54 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    How bad is Cam Newton???

    So bad badley fletcher pick sixed him lol


  15. 15 GEAGLE said at 11:17 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    If after 60 starts, FOles makes the moronic mistakes Cam still makes, I’ll grab FOles by his throat and kick him out of this city my damn self..

    Lol throws a pick 6 to frigginKam Chancellor in crunch time of a playoff game LOL, yet donkeys likeMKSP were blowing him in the 1st quarter, posting about how happy they were that they thought the Panthers had a bett QB than the Eagles as if this isn’t an eagle blog…morons would rather be right than see the Eagles do well…. I hope to ALWAYS be proven WRONG when that suits the Eagles… Unfortunately morons with inferiority complexes rather be proven right gecause of their inferiority complex for some dude on the other end of a computer screen, in the end, on,y proving their own stupidity and cluelessness

  16. 16 D3FB said at 10:49 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  17. 17 D3FB said at 10:50 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  18. 18 D3FB said at 10:50 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  19. 19 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:37 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    These are fascinating…. but then I think “but isn’t the draft a crapshoot?” and wonder whether it wouldn’t be better to pick them by the color of their uniforms or something like the girls.

  20. 20 D3FB said at 10:59 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Jordan is one of the best draftniks out there, I think all three tweet are vital to being self critical in one’s evaluation. I personally don’t know what wrong with T-Rich. I’ve heard that his vision was masked by the quality of the OL and his body was just worn down already by the time he made it to the league.

    The hardest part of figuring out why you missed on a prospect is figuring out why the failed. I consume a large amount of football, but unless he’s playing for a team you follow closely, or he just blows out every ligament in his body, it’s hard to know why a player failed.

  21. 21 Avery Greene said at 4:55 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Josh Shaw with the INT.

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 5:03 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Pope Jordan has Spoken:
    “I believe Nick is a great QB, and OUR FRANCHISE QB”-Pope Mathews.
    Now that we got that out of the way. Let’s get down to the good stuff:
    Talking about needing to work this offseason, “Im Definitely not where I want to be as a player yet at all. Looking back on this year, I think this will have been the worst year that I ever have in the NFL. From now on I have to continue to get better. I want to improve in every area. There’s one thing in every part of the game that I need to fix. It’s little things even going back to my stance. I’m really trying to redefine my whole game and turn myself into an elite riecer.. I don’t want to just be a good reciever, I want to be Elite!!!
    I WANT OTHER TEAMS TO HAVE TO GAME PLAN FOR ME OR IM GOING TO KILL THEM! That’s where I’m trying to get to next year and beyond”-Pope Mathews…

    Music to my ears….
    Interview via fox sports..

  23. 23 ACViking said at 5:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    McCoy said the same thing as Matthews.

    The timing’s intriguing.

    Or not.

  24. 24 GEAGLE said at 5:22 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Just stating team facts lol……. Just because fans and media want to invent their own narrative, doesn’t mean it’s reality of the Eagles..

    Players, coaches, executives, they take real life stuff into account, like the facts that Molk was getting blown up in FOles lap, OL mess, ridiculous win/loss record, Leadership. Chip also already committed to FOles, just because the media refuses to by it, doesn’t mean chip should have to profess his love for Nick FOles every month so the media doesn’t lose its mind….. Chip talked a lot Bout what specific players needed to do to be better next year, when it came to Nick. all he said was Nick has to just keep doing exactly what he has been doing, keep plugging away at his development and he will be fine……. Media choses t ignore these facts, create its own Narrative, don’t be surprised when the players and coaches look at us like we are nuts for questioning their young leader.
    Go ask Demeco Ryan about Nick FOles, go ask Former Eagles, Hollis Thomas, Trotter, DAWKINS, his left tackle hall of fame Jason Peters, pro bowl Maclin… Go ask them about Nick FOles and then tell me you believe the media narrative lol

  25. 25 ACViking said at 5:24 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    No argument from me on Foles.

  26. 26 GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    The extension FOles signs next year will put all this crap to bed once and for all 😉

  27. 27 ACViking said at 5:30 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Those 8 missed games for Foles . . . made the rest of the season antiseptic.

    I think you’ve expressed the same view (in substance).

  28. 28 GEAGLE said at 5:44 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    What’s crazy and I know no one would agree with me, but I’m not even 100% sure,Chip would draft Marriotta if he fell on the way to 22. I know everyone will view that as a crazy statement, but I’m not 100% sold. I already heard chip gush over former QBs he was associated with, about how Manziel had broken his heart and how highly he thought of him, while the media was calling him Chip kellys wet dream at QB, and then Mr. Manziel fell all the way to 22, amd we found out that all the crap the media said about chip and Manziel, was just that, CRAP and we traded back and let the Browns have him….. I know how much chip loves Martiotta at Oregon, but I have no tangible evidence that differs from how he acted towards Marriotta pre draft last year….and as a matter of fact. When I hear chip prop Marriotta up, he doesn’t sound like he Genuinly thinks so highly of him, he sounds more LIke he is trying to sell Marriotta to people, it reminds me of how he talked about Manziel predraft last year… Any time he is “selling” Marriotta in interviews, he talks about his quick ability to process info and then he goes into this shiel about what a great young man he is, how we should all want him to marry our daughters Blah blah blah… Sell me on a QB, not that he would be a perfect gentleman to my sister……how special can this “great guy” be to chip, when Nick FOles is a damn Boy Scout? Nick is highly intelligent, proven tôugh ess mental and physical, amd has proven a lot more at the NFL than Marriotta has who has been playing college ball, not at all being groomed for the pro game.

    I know the made up narrative. I know the assumptions, maybe I’m blinded by how good I think Nick wil be, but I’m not as sold on everyone that Chip would give anything to have this kid… I REMEMBER Doug Marone, talking about his QB Nassib Like he was the greatest thing to reach the NFL, then the draft came and he took EJIM Manuel instead of his great QB that he knows so well

    Just cuz Chip knows Marriotta so well, doesnt automatically mean that’s neccessarily a great thing…after seeing the NFL up close, Chip could think Marriotta is the greatest college QB ever, but has some flaws that keep him from being great at the NFL level now that he has seen the NFL up close for two years..
    Part of me hopes Marriotta gets drafted #1 to just put this crap to bed, but part of me would be curious to see what happens if the kid starts to really fall..I would love to find out for sure just how much Chip values this kid, knowing that Chip the is highly of Nick, regardless of what fans and media want to believe… Im not 100% sold. Would love to find out for sure

  29. 29 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 6:29 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Folks needs someone to push him too. I can’t help but think that in 2013 Vick having the job first made him hungry.

  30. 30 ACViking said at 7:57 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    I think that’s a great point (pushing Foles).

    At this stage of his career, and for a kid who seems to thrive with competition, a sensible idea.

    The biggest problem is finding the competitor.

    So few quality NFL QBs.

    That could be fixed if the NFL revoked the “Mel Blount rule” and restored true bump-and-run pass defense.

    It’d be the great leveler.

  31. 31 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 11:36 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Id say at this point a second rounder might light a fire and if it does it only cost us a 3rd and 2nd lol

    I just think Foles has “IT” and wonder why nobody has written about “The Foles mirage”

    As it stands right now I’m pretty sure Kelly has a better record with Foles playing QB. Maybe that means something….

  32. 32 GEAGLE said at 10:50 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    I can do much more with a 2nd round pick then to spend it on someone to “push” our hard working, motivated, young QB… I could see if FOles had lazy study habbits, or had a giant ego starters walking atound making money signs like Manziel…. But the “pushing FOles narritive” IMO is silly. He doesn’t need to be pushed. Don’t spend a 2nd round pick on a QB because Nick will just blow him away in the camp competition anyway…… But we do need two QBs, but Im still holding out hope that we can keep sanchez for another year, and that Barkley is progressing more than media wants to believe… Very curious to see what happens with Barkley, I’m not sure we are down on him like the media would like us to believe…. But there is an added dynamic Of barkley being a prick who is starting to run his mouth about sitting the bench, and is going to start asking for a trade.
    Very curious to see how this barkley situation unfolds, but I do know that the media KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about how chip feels about Bakley at this point

  33. 33 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:25 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Some teams still get very close to that bump and run defense(SEA)
    is probably what we’re trying to do on D

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 10:33 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    I don’t buy the needing someone to push him narrative….that’s usually reserved for lazy players who get complacent or start getting a big head…..that’s NOT Nick FOles. No need for anyone to push him, he will put in the work! However, we do NEED TWO QBs, I’m just not automatically assuming Chip is down on Barkley just because he didn’t provide any instant gratification his first two years in the League. I was NEVER a Barkley Fan, but I think people are jumping the gun ruling him out….I’m not even sure sanchez won’t be back… Sure the Bills might be interested, but he was in Jets hell, he felt like he died and went to heaven joining the eagkes, after a year is he really ready to go back to Rex Hell in Buffalo? It’s the same exact situation he ran away from witj the Jets…

    If Chip is down on Barkley, which we don’t know that he is, and if sanchez doesnt sigń with us, we will need another QB, I just don’t want that QB costing us a pick in the first 3 rounds…… Wanna grab a QB in the 4th? Be my guest

  35. 35 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:24 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    All I was eluding too about is the fact Foles knows what happens when ur injured its another opportunity for someone else to steal ur job. Thats how he got the job in the first place. Folks is tough as nails and has proven a lot of thing like:


    2.can make all the throws

    3.streaky, can get happy feet

    4.teamates (who work with him 40hours a week) love/believe in him

    5. hasn’t stayed healthy in NFL career / played 36 games in college

    6. I think Chip is being honest when he says u need to QBs to win.

    I believe in Foles personally but I also am concerned with #5

    I want real competition at all 3 QB spots. I wouldn’t be against them taking another QB in the 2nd they believe they can develop, also nothing wrong with mariota at #20 if that happens.

  36. 36 Greg Richards said at 5:26 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    But, but, ProFootballFocus says……

  37. 37 GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Lol yeah exactly… The only jackass site that pretends it can grade every single DB in one night, days before the all 22 film is released LOL

  38. 38 anon said at 6:42 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    he would have said the same thing about djax this time last year.

  39. 39 Avery Greene said at 5:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    At least from the outside, the guy seems like the consummate professional.

  40. 40 ACViking said at 5:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Any prelim’y views on Josh Shaw?

  41. 41 GEAGLE said at 5:16 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    The idiot from USC that made up a story about being a hero to cover up being a scumbag?… Doeant exactly SCREAM chip kelly to me lol

  42. 42 ACViking said at 5:20 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Everyone knows about Shaw’s remarkably stupid story.

    That said, Kelly kept a number of players on his Oregon teams who committed knuckleheaded moves off the field.

    (Not as if McCoy doesn’t occasionally do stupid things.)

    Shaw was a team captain at USC, so someone thought something good about his character.

    Anyway . . . stupid thing aside:

    What about Shaw’s on-field work?

  43. 43 GEAGLE said at 5:27 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    CAnt help you there bud, anti USC Bias, I don’t watch them unless they have a prospect I really like for us who we have a realistic shot at…. I know how good their DLineman is, I also knew we had no shot at drafting him, so I’m pretty useless when it comes to USC… Ill have to defer on this one

  44. 44 ACViking said at 5:27 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    “bud” . . .


  45. 45 47_Ronin said at 11:18 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Re: Character issues

    I don’t think Kelly is averse to players who have made past mistakes, didn’t the Eagles have a CB (may have played for Oregon) on the 90 man roster that had been arrested (I think on traffic offenses) and had some marijuana issues?

  46. 46 ACViking said at 5:38 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Only brought up Shaw because T-Law put him on the menu as one of the all-star players “I’ll be focusing on for the Eagles.”

    Interesting that Tommy thought Shaw may be on the Eagles’ radar — in light of Shaw’s big mis-step.

  47. 47 GEAGLE said at 5:51 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    No I know… For All I know he could be a great NFL player and a dream fit for the Eagles. I have no idea… I could easily Google him real quick and give you some bogus synopsis pretending I have a clue but what’s the point? I don’t like to speak on something Im not certain about, that’s why when I put in the work to be able to speak on something, I believe it so strongly, because I don’t talk just to talk.. I have no problem defering or saying “I’m just Notfamiliar enough to offer a worth while opinipn”.. But if I have put in the work to have an opinion on something, fat chance changing my mind 🙂

    I’m not even close to fMiliar enough with the kid to speak on him, hopefully someone with a solid grasp of his game can weigh in for us

  48. 48 Bert's Bells said at 5:59 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    ” I don’t like to speak on something Im not certain about, ”


  49. 49 A Roy said at 6:42 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Excellent point. Given the wide range of topics and the sheer volume of GEagle’s posts, wow just about says it all.

  50. 50 mksp said at 6:49 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I know, right?

    Speaking on things he’s not certain about is literally his modus operandi.

  51. 51 ACViking said at 5:31 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    If I had to pick another player whose internal compass works the same way, but we don’t hear it . . . it’s Nick Foles.

    Just sayin’.

    (No problem with Matthews speaking out. At all.)

  52. 52 ACViking said at 6:12 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Re: Chip on Mariota

    “When I hear Chip prop Mariota up . . . .”

    GEagle wrote that earlier in this thread. His broader point being that even if available at No. 20, Kelly may very well pass on Mariota in favor of what he has in Foles.

    That comment reminded me that after the 12/31 front-office reorganization, one of general takeaways seemed to be that believing what Chip Kelly says to the media is investing in fool’s gold.

    In other words, caveat emptor on Kelly selecting Mariota.

    (That is, GEagles’s point is a very interesting one. For me, at least.)

  53. 53 Anders said at 6:15 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    If Geagle has ever listen to Kelly talk about Mariota, there is zero chance Kelly does not take him.

    All the things Kelly loves in Foles, Mariota has all the same qualities and on top of that he has the mobility to by a real factor in the zone reads.

  54. 54 ACViking said at 6:20 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    I thought about what you’re saying.

    But with Mariota, I wonder if Kelly’s playing poker. (Maybe not poker, exactly.)

    The public Kelly is Belichickian.

    The temptation to take Kelly at face value on Mariota is almost irresistible.

    Which is why I go back to his Belichickian public nature.

    Kelly’s becoming inscrutable.

  55. 55 anon said at 6:39 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    he said how much he really loved manziel

  56. 56 MaggieOnMars said at 7:03 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I had thought Chip might be morphing into Beast Mode, but Marshawn at least thanks reporters for their interest. ;~)

  57. 57 Anders said at 8:08 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    From everything we hear, Mariota is the ultimate high character guy and then add top tier talent and athletic ability and I cant see how Kelly would be playing poker

  58. 58 GEAGLE said at 10:27 AM on January 18th, 2015:


  59. 59 GEAGLE said at 10:59 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    You can’t have this type of debate with simpletons who have literally bought every single bullshit narrative about this team that turned out to be complete BS…

  60. 60 GEAGLE said at 11:12 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    No one has any type of tangible evidence to refute this, so please spare me the bulshit that you read in a les Bowan column or a jason LaConfar tweet….

    I’m comfortable trusting my opinions, you guys can be comfortable knowing that a Jackass like Heath the FB onNFL network agrees with you LOL

  61. 61 GEAGLE said at 10:19 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Blah lay, how the fuck does it differ At ALL from how chip raved about Manziel? It does t, but of course morons like you bought every single bulshit narrative that our joke of a media EVER SOLD you, from chip only choosing QBs who run fast. To FOles being traded because he could never play for chip, to Manziel being Chips wet dream at QB… All thebullshit themmedia ever sold you, you bought hook line and sinker like a fool, excuse me, if I don’t automatically buy the bullshit…

    By the way, when the media was making you THEIRASSS Bitch, I warned that it was bullshit very single step of the way, yet there was always some donkey like you who ran their mouth, by now you would think you would have learned the hard way hahahahaha

  62. 62 Anders said at 11:07 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Because Mariota is actually a high character guy, something Manziel is not and because Mariota is a much better prospect and mainly wins with his mind and his arm something Manziel never did.

    Your blind love for Foles make you annoying to discuss this with because if we do not agree with you, we are just stupid right?

    Also you do not think that if Kelly had the choice of two QBs who are both high character guy, has good arms but one also has athletic ability that he would pass over the athletic guy?
    You do not think Kelly might have realized that he cant bet on Foles to be THE guy because of how Foles burned him in 2014 with his play and his injury (remember Kelly always talk about having 2 QBs, so even if we take Mariota, he might only be the backup for the year)

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 11:10 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Hahahah ake notes kid… You should have learned something by now

  64. 64 mksp said at 6:48 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    (say it slowly for maximum effect).

    That he would pass on him because he has NICK. FREAKING. FOLES. instead is comedy.

  65. 65 ACViking said at 6:52 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    I believe you.

    Question for you . . . how much would Kelly pay to move up?

  66. 66 mksp said at 6:58 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I don’t think anyone knows the answer to that.

    My hope is that a team in need of a quarterback believes that Mariota is not a “Pro Style QB”, and would be willing to trade down for Nick Foles, #20, a 2nd round pick and our 2016 1st and 2016 2nd round pick.

    Nick Foles plus four top-50 picks over 12 months seems like a fair deal to me for a franchise QB.

    If it seems like a lot, remember that this team will probably be picking top-5, and there will be competition.

    Our “ace in the hole”, as it were, could be that another team believes that Nick Foles can indeed be a franchise QB.

  67. 67 KAJomo said at 7:12 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    That is a huge price to give up. I guve foles a 2nd round value. You would be trading (2) 1s and (3) 2s. That is crazy. Mariota would be stepping into a situation where the defense sucks and his old ass OL can not be replaced for 2 years with anything higher than a 3rd. We will not be a contender for years.

    I personally go back and fortn on whether I want the attempt to trade up for mariota or not. If I did I’d taget a trade with the raiders at 4. Id be willing to give up (2) 1s, a 2nd, and (2)4ths or a 3rd. We could then still trade Foles for a 2nd+.

  68. 68 mksp said at 7:24 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I think if you start with the premise that Buffalo traded a future 1st to move up from #8 to #4 last year for Sammy Watkins, that bounty makes more sense.

  69. 69 anon said at 7:28 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    yeah moves like that cost him a coach (maybe cost them a guy like mariota)

  70. 70 mksp said at 7:55 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    right, that was a stupid trade, just pointing out the value proposition.

    anyone with a brain would have sat at #8 and taken evans or ODB and been happy.

    the problem is this:

    Watkins : ODB :: Mariota : _________

    You can’t fill that blank. Especially for Chip’s offense.

  71. 71 ACViking said at 8:00 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    Great equation. Presumably, one used by potential trading partners, too.

    Does that make Mariota more expensive to acquire? Or less expensive?

  72. 72 ACViking said at 8:32 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    I’m not sure what happened after the JJones trade hurt Atlanta nearly as much as the bad drafting in the years *before* the trade.

    The past couple of years, the Eagles drafts haven’t been great.

    If the past two drafts were as productive as quickly as the 2012 draft (3 immediate impact starters), then the table’d be much better set for a multi-trade deal.

    At least using the Falcons as a comparator.

  73. 73 KAJomo said at 7:55 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I started wth the julio jones trade from 27 up to 6. Also the fact that the same raiders team moved from 3 to 9 for only. 3rd a few years back. That team needs a lot of pieces and already have their QB. They would probaly jump at the chance to add more premium picks over the next 2 years

  74. 74 holeplug said at 8:28 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    agree that if a trade up happens its gonna be with oakland. their set at QB and no top free agents are signing there atm b/c of how bad the stadium/facilities are so they would be more willing to trade back and stockpile picks.

  75. 75 mksp said at 9:15 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    “In exchange for getting the sixth pick, Atlanta gave the Browns five — five! — draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012.”

    Franchise QB >>> Stud WR

    The Raiders / DJ Hayden trade was during a draft when everyone wanted to move back with no clear top tier. OAK was prepared to draft Hayden #3.

    The Eagles aren’t the only team that need a stud, franchise QB. That makes the cost higher than any other position.

    Maybe you do Nick + #20 + 2015 3rd + 2016 1st + 2016 3rd or something, but the general framework is the same.

  76. 76 Insomniac said at 12:15 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    They were prepared to make a deep run into the playoffs but history tells us that high powered offenses don’t win it all as often as great defenses (pay attention Lurie).

  77. 77 anon said at 7:27 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Bird in hand is worth two in the bush. If you’e in love with a guy, make a move. You’ve got basically 2 years of tape on foles, almost 20 games in the system, if you’re ready to roll with him then pay him and move on.

    However, if you’re letting him play it out on a wait and see and you really love Mariota and you don’t see anything in the college upcoming class (2016) that you like, i think you have to do something.

    IF foles goes 30/20 next year, in this system (emphasis), and we’re 9-7, or 10-6 one and done then you’re in real trouble.

  78. 78 KAJomo said at 8:00 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    That is ignoring the rest of the team. I dont think anyone would argue that Mariota has a higher ceiling. The thing is Foles has proven to be a capable QB. so Foles witha great supporting cast and good D is greater than Mariota with no OL/running game and a defense that loses games for us.

  79. 79 ACViking said at 8:03 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    The NFL’s rule-changes have made QBs disproportionately impactful and therefore costly and more valuable than any other player . . .

    The next most valuable position may be safety.

    I know there’s an argument for DEs. I’m wondering if that argument was true 5-10 years ago, but not anymore.

  80. 80 KAJomo said at 8:09 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I guess this depends on how one feels about Foles. I think Foles is a QB somewhere in between what we have seen the last 2 years. That is a good, but not elite QB. Foles will be someone comparable to Flacco or Eli in my opinion. He will play better when surrounded by a lot of talent and is capable of winning a superbowl.

    Mariota is an unknown to me. Is his projected upgrade at QB greater than the impact of those players you would have around Foles? That is the question.

    Again I go back and forth on this all the time. The one thing that I dont waiver on is should we give up the farm. I only do the deal at the right price.

  81. 81 ACViking said at 8:27 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    I understand, as there seem to be no immutable answers at the moment.

    ANON’s comment put a the issue in a pretty fair context, I think.

    He wrote (to save time):

    Bird in hand is worth two in the bush. If you’e in love with a guy, make a move. You’ve got basically 2 years of tape on foles, almost 20 games in the system, if you’re ready to roll with him then pay him and move on.

    However, if you’re letting him play it out on a wait and see and you really love Mariota and you don’t see anything in the college upcoming class (2016) that you like, i think you have to do something.

    IF foles goes 30/20 next year, in this system (emphasis), and we’re 9-7, or 10-6 one and done then you’re in real trouble.

  82. 82 GEAGLE said at 11:44 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Nick has two more years of growth and dvelopmet ahead of him…it’s silly to yhink we have seen his best already. His best is still years away…The GOOD ONES you can win games with while they are still flawed and developing….that’s Nick

  83. 83 mksp said at 9:17 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Foles has proven that he’s capable of having a good year followed up by a terrible year. Not sure he’s proven anything in reality.

  84. 84 ACViking said at 8:24 PM on January 17th, 2015:


    Really great framing of the issue here for Kelly.

    (Your emphasis on “this system” is the heart of the matter.)

  85. 85 anon said at 7:02 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Very hard person to read. If the draft is a crap shoot then i’d go all in for guys that you know you like. I’m sure that Chip knows what he has in Foles, i think Nick will start but we’ll get another “better” backup.

  86. 86 holeplug said at 9:04 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    hope is tampa takes winston and he falls to at least 4. Mckenzie likes to trade down to stockpile picks. Hell he took far less value than he should have to go from 3 to 12 couple years back (Dion Jordan trade)

    Something like 1st, 3rd, 2016 1st would definitely get McKenzie to really think about it. I’d even turn the 3rd into a 2nd if I could flip Foles for a 2nd.

  87. 87 GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Yeah cuz He has EVER accurately predicted ANY of Chips moves! LOL Donkey groupie with inferiority complex LOL

  88. 88 GEAGLE said at 11:41 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    If you believe THAT jackass then I have the fountain of youth in my basement… $5 a glass!!! For an extra $5 you can take a pony ride on my kelly green unicorn and I’ll get you a date with the tooth fairy LOL

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 7:43 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    It’s fun to speculate about two scenarios that will never happen:

    A) Mariota falling to #20

    B) Chip passing on Mariota

  90. 90 ACViking said at 7:54 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Next best thing to thing to winning the VTL trophy.

  91. 91 GermanEagle said at 8:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    You mean the Viagra Tommy Lawlor trophy?! Where can I sign up?

  92. 92 GEAGLE said at 10:23 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Blah blah blah

  93. 93 GermanEagle said at 2:49 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Honestly, what’s your problem lately?! You could use some of this kool aid, kiddo….

    You don’t seem to have much of a sense of humor these days.

  94. 94 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 11:40 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I agree %100 Chip thinks it takes 2 great QBs to win a SB. 😉

  95. 95 Insomniac said at 12:52 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    but but but Chip doesn’t need a mobile QB!! Vick sucked!!!

  96. 96 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:55 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    If Chip says Mariota has the mind of Peyton Manning n then passes him if he falls to pick 20.. Then Chip believes that Foles has a better mind then Manning n whatever he says just becomes words i would think

  97. 97 BobSmith77 said at 1:01 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Ridiculous hypothetical and yeah if Mariota was available at 20 I have no doubt Kelly would take him as would any team in a similar spot because of his potential if the need a QB or his trade value.

  98. 98 anon said at 6:47 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    there was a LSU running back who looked good in the first half — anyone see that guy? Also any thoughts on Taylor Heinicke

  99. 99 TommyLawlor said at 7:07 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Disappointed by Heinicke.

  100. 100 SteveH said at 12:49 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Not surprised, any RB not named Pabst would probably be a letdown for you.

    I’ll show myself out.

  101. 101 anon said at 6:59 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    “I’ll be focusing on the Shrine Game, but will have the other TV on the other game.” I appreciate what you do for us tommy.

  102. 102 ACViking said at 7:52 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Hear, hear.

    Anon, thanks for saying (well, writing that) for all of us.

  103. 103 Baloophi said at 8:03 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    (Only need 8 more! Any donation counts!)

    Fellow Igglesblitizens:

    Shake out your pockets, dig through the couch cushions, and sell your authentic Bradley Fletcher jerseys to the blind because it’s time to help Tommy make it down to the Senior Bowl. Six days hence he’ll descend upon Mobile to scout draft prospects, spy on Eagles’ personnel, and force some unsuspecting hotel maid to pick up empty Funyun bags like they’re flags in a Dallas playoff game.

    This will be his fourth trip to the nation’s premiere all-star event; the kickoff of the draft season for non-draftniks… aka 99% of us (hi, D3FB!). Like other reporters and bloggers, Tommy will patrol the sidelines during the practices and post his observations, but unlike the rest he won’t have the luxury of expensing the trip. That’s where we come in…

    CHALLENGE: If we can generate 36 donations (one for every turnover!), I will donate $100 ($1 for every disastrous Josh Huff blunder!). Any donation, large or small, will go a long way toward helping Tommy out. Think of it as buying him a tall can of PBR or a short cup of pudding in exchange for his unique, on-the-ground reporting that we all enjoy so much. Without him we’d be left with the musings of Howard Eskin and whatever Mike Florio’s “sources” manage to dig up. Yikes.

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  104. 104 GermanEagle said at 8:17 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  105. 105 Baloophi said at 8:51 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  106. 106 GermanEagle said at 8:54 PM on January 17th, 2015:


  107. 107 SteveH said at 12:53 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    I told the blind guy that my Fletcher jersey was actually Dawkins. I’m probably going to hell.

  108. 108 Baloophi said at 1:11 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    I think you’re off the hook because even a blind person should know what the back of Fletcher’s jersey looks like…

  109. 109 SteveH said at 1:12 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Perfectly played. *tips hat*

  110. 110 deshawnbentley said at 1:12 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    If we get the 36 donations I will match baloophis donation. But there’s more. This isn’t even the good part yet. If we get 50 donations I will double my donation and donate $200 (which is still $1 for every josh huff blunder). Times yours guys!

  111. 111 Baloophi said at 1:14 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    INSANITY! Well done, deshawnbentley. Permission to edit my post to reflect your very generous offer of sponsorship?

  112. 112 deshawnbentley said at 1:21 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Most definitely!
    It’s a small gesture I have no qualms doing. Tommy is really the only Philadelphia writer I read daily considering it’s hard to come across good content being in the Los angeles area.

  113. 113 Baloophi said at 1:25 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    As a fellow Los Angelino I can relate. Also, what about our smog, drought, and Obama’s-in-town traffic, right?

  114. 114 Cafone said at 8:58 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    Clyde Simmons’ son, Corey Simmons, played in the NFLPA bowl. He’s a tight end.

    He caught a pass from the Eagles’ QB of the future, Brandon Bridge

  115. 115 Joe Minx said at 10:11 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    the Eagles’ QB of the future, Brandon Bridge

    I hope that wasn’t meant to be serious.

  116. 116 ICDogg said at 10:36 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    I think he has a Bridge he wants to sell you.

  117. 117 GEAGLE said at 12:07 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Feel like everyone’s kid these days is on his way to,the NFL. Hard to keep track of which kid is which

  118. 118 ICDogg said at 10:31 PM on January 17th, 2015:

    To me, if you believe in the offensive system, and believe that 2013 was not a total fluke, then you stay with Foles and try to re-create to some extent the conditions that made him successful. You add that explosive wide receiver. You add some depth to the O-line so that you aren’t as devastated if someone gets hurt.

    Meanwhile, you find some way to fix this secondary. It’s not easy to do all of those things, but it’s not out of reach.

  119. 119 GEAGLE said at 12:02 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Think you just nailed our offseason blue print for this year..two of the last three years down the toilet because of the worst OLine injury luck imaginable.. We can’t waste another season because of OL injuries, we have to take things to an extreme and practically build a starting caliber O! On our bench…

    I’m a die hard defensive football fan, but I have to acknowledge that this system, the offense is going to always have such an impact on the defense, that to have a great defense, we need the offense to not put insane amount of pressure on the D and repeatedly put the D in bad positions….. OL in shambles due to injury has so much of a negative effect. Best RB in the NFL was worthless with no OL… FOles had Molk blown into his lap on every other passing play, thus we put crazy pressure on a defense THATS still being built….
    FOles was able to win us games regardless of the OL issues, turn OL issues to a strength again, and I sure as hell won’t bet against FOles behind a top OL…

    Stock up on OL, get an ILB. Either this year or next year we need to add a WR, might as well add him now….and of course build as much of the secondary as we can. I’m sure some of the secondary will be upgraded, I’m just not certain whether the upgrades will be in place for September, or if the upgrades will be drafted but not implemented til second half of the season or even start of year two…. Depends what we can do in free agency….. What the Eagles won’t do is wreck continuity for a marginal upgrade…but if we have an opportunity for significant upgrade that is the perfect fit for us, I’m sure we aggressively pursue it

  120. 120 Ben Hert said at 11:46 AM on January 19th, 2015:

    Excellent points. Do you think Josh Huff can be that explosive receiver that Foles needs?

  121. 121 SteveH said at 12:51 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    The more I think about it the more I want to see a Seattle/New England super bowl. Would be great fun to see NE try to scheme their way through that beast of a defense, especially because Seattle plays so much base there’s very little you can do to out scheme it.

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 10:54 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    I assumeNew England would go into its “pound the ball mode” and go heavy with the run game against Seattle defense…. If New Engalnd beats seattle, I assume we would have a crazy Super Bowl MVP like pot smoking RB Blount….

  123. 123 A_T_G said at 12:51 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    With the suggestion by some that Chip should trade our next three drafts for a single player, I started thinking. When is the last time a team gave up a kings ransom in draft resources for a single player and it was an unmitigated success?

  124. 124 SteveH said at 12:52 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Ricky Williams.

    Oh wait you said success? Oh then never.

  125. 125 Bert's Bells said at 11:02 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Eli Manning?

  126. 126 BlindChow said at 1:00 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense. Especially when you see all these highly-touted athletic college quarterbacks failing in the NFL.

    Obviously there’s a “system” fit, but he’s still gotta make NFL reads and throws to succeed here. Kelly’s NFL system isn’t a carbon copy of what he ran in college.

  127. 127 bill said at 7:54 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Yeah, that’s the one thing that tells me that an opinion on Mariotta is worthless – “it’s the same offense!” Nope. The passing offense was totally reworked, so there’s really no comparison, at least on the passing side.

  128. 128 A_T_G said at 9:24 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    While the question was intended to highlight the foolhardiness of mortgaging the future for a player now, I was not asking rhetorically. I honestly was curious to hear when this has worked.

    The best I could come up with is Julio Jones. He turned into a good player, but even so, he hasn’t put them over the top and one has to wonder what would have happened if they had used the draft picks on other positions and signed one of the big name WR in recent years to compliment White.

  129. 129 GEAGLE said at 10:57 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    It’s no secret that almost everyone who has traded away the farm for one player went on to regret it..
    Fortunately chip is aware and already adressed this. Using les Bowan as an example, if we trade away everything for Les Bowan, or give him 50million dollars, we won’t be able to put the help around him needed to succeed because Les can’t do it all by himself in the ultimate team game..

  130. 130 BobSmith77 said at 1:06 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Tommy – Does the Shriner Game have additional advanced footage available and do they make it available to NFL teams after the game?

  131. 131 Anders said at 4:05 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Both the shrine game and senior bowl has all-22 of both practice and the game that teams get

  132. 132 Greg Richards said at 6:50 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    The Texans promoted Brian Gaine to director of player personnel(with an accompanying praise) to prevent losing him to the Eagles. Per Ian Rapaport, he had interviewed with the Eagles twice and had interest. So, looks like Kelly lost out on his 1st choice. Senior Bowl practices don’t start until Tuesday now(used to be Monday) so one would hope they’d have someone in place by Monday.

  133. 133 Baloophi said at 11:35 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Our loss, their… Gaine?

  134. 134 anon said at 12:58 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    to me it seems like seattle guy could be the guy they are waiting for. hopefully that works out — though there’s not much time between super bowl and FA.

  135. 135 GermanEagle said at 8:50 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Will the senior bowl on live on TV, other than NFL network?

  136. 136 Insomniac said at 12:27 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    I don’t think so.

  137. 137 GEAGLE said at 10:44 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Is Luck going to make a game out of this, or will Bellicek continue to completely OWN Andrew Luck? 8 INTs in 3 games against Bellicek? Lol golden boy needs to do better than that….. Hopefully we get a quality AFC championship, but that’s going to be up to andrew Luck, who has had to carry his team on his back to an AFC title game. The most impressive part of Lucks game, is he hasn’t had a 100yard rusher in a LONG time

    But he needs to be sharp today to even make this a good game. Probably should take less chances and focus more on not throwing the costly INT. He is able to overcome the fact that he can be an INT machine in the first 3 quarters, but that’s a tall order against BRady/Bellecik….. Curious to see if he can cut down the INTs today and not put his team im bad positions

    Fortunately NFC title game should b a decent game. Stylistically the seahawks don’t really blow teams out, they just beat the dumb, but the score is usually relatively close.
    To me, the Packers and the Colts dont belong in these games. Good, but not Great Teams who are completely reliant on the QB… You take the QBs off these teams, they lucky to win 6 games. hard for me to respect that as Championship caliber TEAMS… Where as take a team like Seattle, if wilson gets hurt in the 4th quarter, THATS still a championship caliber team who has a Chamce to win wthout wilson…… If the packers lose today everyone will make excuses for how Rodgers was hurt, but GB isnt a good enough team to deserve beating a true elite TEAM like seatle

  138. 138 GEAGLE said at 11:38 AM on January 18th, 2015:

    Lol trent Richardson was left at home for missing Saturday morning walk through. Guess he didn’t get the message last week when he was innactive, or the week before when they put him on kickoff coverage smh… What a mess,not cool…Browns took advantage of intoxicated Colts owner.. Trent Richardson trade was the last straw, Colts executives plant pain pills in Owners car,call the cops on him, getting him sent to rehab…. Media conspiracy to hide the fact that the trent Richardson trade is what really got him sent to rehab

  139. 139 Greg Richards said at 12:00 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    The guy is undoubtedly a bust as a player, but it sounds like someone in his family had a medical emergency.

  140. 140 GEAGLE said at 12:04 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Maybe….. Or he is smart enough to realize he ran out of his 9 lives and better make up a good excuse for his latest mistake. Appologies if he did have a legit family issue Tho

  141. 141 Bob Brewer said at 12:10 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Browns traded up and drafted Johnny Football with that pick. How did they take advantage of it?

  142. 142 anon said at 12:55 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    That’s ok they swindled the bills out of another first for this year and it looks like they need to take qb (again).

  143. 143 livingonapear said at 6:18 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    His mom died

  144. 144 SteveH said at 12:35 PM on January 18th, 2015:

    Days like today make me lament New Jerseys sports betting laws. If I could I would lay half my life savings (admittedly not an impressive figure) on Seattle. Gimpy ass Aaron Rodgers is going to get destroyed today and Seattle is going to win huge.