The First Candidate
Posted: January 3rd, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,083 Comments »The first rumor regarding Chip Kelly’s new personnel guy is in. Mike Florio has the scoop.
The first name to emerge as a serious candidate for the position belongs to assistant director of player personnel Ed Marynowitz. Pronounced man-o-witz, he joined the Eagles in 2012 after a stint with Alabama as Nick Saban’s director of the team’s recruiting efforts.
Marynowitz previously worked with the Dolphins in 2008, under V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells and G.M. Jeff Ireland.
The end result will be a power structure similar to the one Bill Belichick enjoys in New England, with the head coach running the show and a right-hand man setting the table from a personnel standpoint. Roseman will be responsible for negotiating the contracts with the players Kelly wants, and managing the salary cap.
Of all the in-house guys, this makes the most sense to me. Kelly is an unconventional guy. Marynowitz has more of a college background than a pro one. He’s been in the NFL long enough to know what he’s doing, but he’s not a pure NFL executive. I mention this because sometimes NFL guys get stuck in a certain way of thinking. Marynowitz was the Director of Player Personnel for Alabama from 2008-2011. He did recruiting and helped the coaches to know who the top high school players were. Marynowitz understands how to identify talent and build a roster.
Since coming to the Eagles, he’s done the same type thing. He hasn’t been the key guy in the NFL process, but he understands how things work. Combine that with his ability to identify talent and you can see where Marynowitz could be a good fit for what Kelly is looking for.
How would this be received by the scouting staff? Marynowitz isn’t an outsider, but he is young. Anthony Patch has been with the Eagles since 2002. He’s currently the Director of College Scouting. Patch is the most qualified person for the position, but Kelly might see him as a Roseman guy. Or he might not want someone that is an NFL lifer. We can only speculate.
NFL scouting jobs aren’t easy to get so it isn’t like Kelly has to hire someone that the scouts will love, but you would prefer a group that is all on the same page and works well together. Marynowitz may have the personality to pull that off. Consider this tweet from former Eagles scout John Middlekauf.
If I owned an NFL team Ed Marynowitz would be my 1st hire. Can't imagine this will be a tough decision for Chip
— John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) January 3, 2015
That’s some high praise.
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Sam Lynch brings up one negative in regard to Marynowitz.
Worth remembering with all the positive about Ed Marynowitz: he did commit major NCAA recruiting violations. http://t.co/wGXw2RTcp6
— Sam Lynch (@shlynch) January 3, 2015
That may not seem like a big deal since it was his first job (UCF in 2006), but it does show the fact that he cut some corners.
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A couple of misc thoughts on the personnel situation…
* Chip Kelly is not looking for a “Yes Man”. Kelly wants an independent thinker who can help the team find talent. Kelly does want someone that will understand he runs the show. This won’t be a democracy. Kelly will listen to the new guy’s opinion, but the decision will be Kelly’s.
* I don’t think Howie Roseman’s background had anything to do with his falling out with Kelly. Is there a more unorthodox coach than Kelly? His most valued assistant is the DL coach. One of the key members of his staff used to work for the US Navy. Kelly’s Chief of Staff has a Nutrition degree from Nebraska. The assistant DL coach was the athletic director at a high school when Kelly hired him.
Chip Kelly does not care about tradition. He wants the right people who can get the job done.
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I kind of doubt that Chip holds the NCAA recruitng violations thing against Ed.
If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying
Here is a portion of the sanctions determined by the NCAA against Oregon:
“7. A ban on the subscription to*** recruiting services*** during the period of probation.
****8. The recruiting service provider [Willie Lyles] will be disassociated by the institution’s athletics program upon release of this report. (Institution imposed)****
9. The committee concluded that the former head coach [Kelly] failed in his duty to monitor his program as it related to the ***recruiting service provider’s impermissible contact*** with prospective student-athletes, the football program’s use of the recruiting service provider’s business which did not comply with NCAA legislation, and the impermissible telephone calls placed by the ***former assistant director of operations***. The former head coach agreed with these”
from SBNation
Kelly was responsible like the captain of a ship.
I can only hope he’ll try harder in the future
I did note the reference to Johnson and Knaus, though. #48.
Hope not like this captain: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/asia/korea-ferry-captain-verdict/
Well played, Greg.
well, if Chip let’s Ed go, Belichick will probably hire him
Wait, is he a homicidal sociopath too?
“Chip Kelly is not looking for a “Yes Man”. Kelly wants an independent thinker who can help the team find talent.”
Having worked more than a few jobs in my life, I can tell you no one will admit they want a “yes man” working for them. I’ve encountered a number of people, including company CEOs, who want exactly that. I have no idea what kind of person Chip Kelly is, but unless someone has sources that sat in on recruiting or draft meetings with the man, this is supposition.
One interesting nugget I found out of all the reports this week (almost all of them entirely speculative) was this from Les Bowen:
“sources with knowledge of the situation have said that last May, Roseman’s scouting staff was really ticked when the coaches were allowed to change a draft board that the scouts had set – part of the ongoing conflict that led to yesterday’s restructuring.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20150104_Kelly_gets_full_football_control_in_Eagles_shake-up.html#0JPCAxIxAvYxp1ad.99
Were there meetings and discussions, and following that changes made? Did Chip and his coaches simply take the board, say “thanks” and make their changes without interaction? I have no idea.
I do know that process is at least as important as the result from the perspective of someone working on a staff. You never expect higher ups are going to accept all your recommendations, but you certainly hope they include you in the discussion. Good people who feel slighted, who feel left out of the process, will find work elsewhere.
Hopefully, Chip hasn’t allowed a “coaches vs scouts” rivalry to develop. That would be very bad.
History shows that chip wants insight from those around him and not people who bow and throw rose petals at his feet. He craves knowledge and learning. But if the scouting staff did not understand what he was looking for, as the coaches changing the draft board suggests, then it isn’t productive for them to set the draft board. If they don’t present him with viable options he won’t get the picks he wants. Having some one understand your vision is different from having a yes man.
I think this is ultimately at root with the restructuring. Changing the draft board would certainly (and rightly) anger the scouting department and their boss – Roseman. However, if – under the previous and possibly unclear arrangement – Chip was still given final say over selections, it’s possible / likely that the scouting department were getting mixed messages, and Chip felt the need to change the draft board to meet his needs. Scouts are caught in the middle: “Are we supposed to be following Roseman or Chip?” And I think that level of confusion doesn’t have to engender or manifest out of a scouting vs. coaches environment, but it’s good – one way or the other – that at least everyone’s roles are now clearly defined.
Exactly, and not just defining roles, but defining priorities and standardizing valuation criteria specific to Chip. You need everyone on the same page to ensure you are compari g apples to apples.
Indeed. I suspect that for all the lip service Roseman gave in terms of using Chip’s criteria to scout and evaluate players, it wasn’t cutting it for him. Whether he provided feedback and a chance for Howie to course-correct we’ll never know, but clearly Chip wants something different from the top talent guy.
I concur. I believe some of Chip’s framework may have disqualified some candidates who Howie & Co. identified as good targets, via draft or FA.
Rearranging the draft board can also be viewed as a slap at Roseman since he was the one that mostly assembled the scouting staff, perhaps a partial explanation to the rift between Roseman and Kelly.
That includes Marynowitz. Roseman hired him.
Coaches moving the draft board too much typically leads to bad results
http://www.thefootballeducator.com/one-cook%E2%80%99s-recipe-for-draft-preparation/
I don’t doubt it. What I’m saying is that by installing someone Chip approves to arrange it, there won’t need to be as much coach-induced movement.
Middlekauff has said on twitter in the past that Chip came in with very specific visions from a H/W/S and ability standpoint for what scouts were to look for. The message wasn’t muddled.
Does that suggest to you that the message was ignored – perhaps so that Roseman could put his stamp on things? Or do you think Roseman failed to either find those players or pass along the correct message?
I think coaches just aren’t very good scouts. They view players through very different lenses. I’ll reference the Middlekauff tweet I posted yesterday:
https://twitter.com/johnmiddlekauff/status/365659048365928450
Does this suggest you believe the restructuring is a mistake? The coaching / scout divide never goes away, right? It’s just a matter of whether you want the conflict to happen before or after the draft.
excellent, thank you. it’s all in perspective, and those that discern the meat between those 2 slices of bread are the “geniuses”
January 4, 2015
Similar result, though. 2014 draft.
I saw you replied with something similar to me on the prior article, but I wanted to continue the discussion on this thread.
I have no reason to doubt that you’re wrong, but my impression of foul ups in the draft is that the come from people buying into workout numbers rather that what the coaches see on tape.
The mother of all f-ups was moving up to take Mike Mamula while Tampa, using our pick when they traded with us, took Warren Sapp. My impression was that scouts / guys into measurable talked themselves into taking Mamula when the game tapes clearly indicated Sapp should have been the pick.
What I’m asking you is then is if I need to blame the position coaches / coordinators / head coaches for those types of mistakes rather than geeks like scouts and front office people.
Scouts watch tons of film, if a guy they have pegged as a 4.8 guy comes out a runs a low 4.5, they’ll go back and see if they missed something on tape or if he is just great in the underwear olympics. Scouts are also usually at the underclassman testing days, so for the most part they have HWS numbers on guys already.
It’s typically the coaches who go to Indy watch some guy look really good, have a good interview and then go back and talk themselves into liking the player more than the scouts do.
Love the versatility of this coaching staff
Something to keep in mind, Chip operates by giving his coaches a lot of autonomy. He sets the framework but hands them control. Why wouldn’t he handle the GM in a similar manner, ensure he has someone who understands his vision, understands his ideals and then allows them the function autonomously under him building the information so that he has the correct information with which to make a decision. Clearly he felt like the information he had to work with was insufficient and he was making the decision on the final 53 already. I understand trepidation with him having “control”, but if he was making the decisions already (as seemed to be the case) then I want him having the information he needs in the manner he needs it to gain the biggest insights.
It also seems like people who were complaining about Howies abilities to evaluate talent are now upset he isn’t evaluating talent… Though I haven’t been keeping notes on who says what so I am probably confused.
*edit sorry for the run on sentences
That could be a benefit, but my hesitation on Kelly getting complete control is partially born from Kelly’s love affair with former Oregon players. I know they are familiar with his system but that doesn’t necessarily equate to being the best talent available. One thing I liked about Carrol when he went to SEA was that he didn’t fill out his roster with ex-USC players he looked at everybody and grabbed players from rival schools that were better than his at USC, this to me demonstrates an eye for talent. With Kelly I’m not on board as of yet.
There is a flip side to that, if Roseman didn’t present him with viable players, the pool he is most familiar with are his former players. So it becomes a chicken or egg question, is he infatuated with his former players, or so disappointed with the options he was presented with that he ran to familiar players?
Ertz from Stanford was his second pick, Logan whose LSU Tigers beat Oregon in BCS Title game was his third, and Barkley from USC was his 4th. The tougher picks, the ones requiring the best intel are the later rounds, and If Kelly is using what he knows over what he hears, maybe that is indicative of a lack of trust.
The LSU Tigers did not beat Oregon in the BCS title game – the Auburn Tigers did. Such blasphemy would not fly in this household. However, LSU did beat Oregon the next season 40-27 in the first game of the year… one of two losses that year. The other came at the impressively-sized hands of Barkley and his USC Trojans (4TDs and 323 yards).
He’s drafted 2 Oregon players. Hart and Huff were both good high qualities players, that also happened to be great scheme fits.
Hart was considered to be one of the best 5 techs in last years draft. Huff provided a dynamic YAC player. Of the WR’s taken after Huff, only Martavius Bryant (HWS one year wonder, the NFL graveyard of blown picks is filled with these guys) and John Brown (small speedy guy from D2, because that wouldn’t have been met with outrage) are really better players to this point.
He’s also taken Ertz, Logan, Poyer, Kruger, Barkley, and Reynolds from schools he played against.
Howie likely pushed for Jaylen Watkins and Trey Burton, but nobody seems to be screaming “Florida Bias”
Careful, D3FB… your facts aren’t fitting with the simple-to-understand narrative…
Was Hart even active at all this year?
No, but he was also backing up a heavily stocked position. There’s nothing abnormal about Hart being inactive.
When and where exactly did Ertz go to school?
I think Roseman was a highly dubious choice as a personnel guy. Still, good to have a strong contracts and finance guy along with nuts and bolts personnel folk. Hope that works out.
My top choice for the job would be Scott Cohen.
-Cherry Hill native
-Dickinson college Econ major (so he’s super smart, yes I’m biased)
-Director of Pro personnel for Eagles for 7 years
-Assistant GM to Mike Tannenbaum from 2008 to 2012, so he knows how to be the head scout in the room with a contract guy and a big personality coach
-Took job with Bucs as Senior Personnel Advisor after being passed over for Idzik, so he’s working under Jason Licht, former Eagles scout (so he’s less likely to block an interview)
http://www.buccaneers.com/team/staff/cohen-scott/3e3b0810-edac-47e1-b834-918a9002fe94
Also, by the looks of him, seems like he’d have no trouble picking up whispers around the league…
Dude…you’re on fire tonight!
I can’t judge how smart he is until I see his economic views. If he’s a Chicago school type guy, he’s not in touch with reality and should not be hired. If he’s Keynesian guy, he’s showing strong intellect.
lol, preach brother
Hahaaha, we’re definitely not Chicago school. Our department is pretty diverse ranging from radical politcal economy professors, institutional economics focused profs, and neo-classical profs. I would say most of the students are Keynesian.
Licht is a guy the Eagles fired in favor of promoting Roseman up the personnel chain a few years back.
You obviously want the guy they eventually hire for the role to be good at what he does, but let’s be realistic, the position is basically that of a research assistant.
Ideally, it’s someone to not only be a source of information, but someone Kelly trusts to say, “we can get this guy a round later.” What’s eating me is it looked (from the outside) like he had that in Roseman. Roseman wanted an equal say in picking the players and Chip said ‘No.’ Why can only be speculated about as we will never hear from the parties involved. Even if they did release a statement, it would be as valuable as the ‘we’re parting ways’ one that saw Gamble fired.
Fine, but what happens when he’s wrong and someone else drafts that guy before Chip can snap him up a round later? Even if the other team reached for him too, is Chip going to be inclined to listen the next time a similar situation arises? No, he’s likely going to think he should’ve listened to his gut and gotten his guy at the first chance he got.
Which is what scares me. Overvaluing players will lead to a mediocre team no matter how brilliant a coach Kelly is. As a Philly fan, the misery the the Sixers endured under Billy King come to mind.
We are still enduring misery…. Can’t even watch basketball
Truth, but at least there’s a distant glimmer of a light now. Billy took a moderately talented team and ensured we’d never get better. Hinkie is drowning us in misery now for the hope of one day being exceptional. Not thrilled with how many years he has us tanking, but I think the general principal is sound. Noel, MCW, Embiid,and Saric should provide a very talented core starting next season. If they are still unwatchable next year, I may join the masses saying ‘FU’ to Hinkie.
This team should be loaded with talent and dominating the East in a few years. And I’m joining in on the FU if they’re not.
I don’t mind the honest tank in pursuit of better players in the future. I do mind an increase in ticket prices in the process when they should have cut the prices to go with the cut in effort to win.
You should mind–tanking doesn’t work. http://wagesofwins.com/2012/04/02/why-tanking-doesnt-work-in-the-nba/
Better to get a competent GM.
@D3FB:disqus
I’m curious as to your thoughts on the restructuring as it relates to scouting and drafting. I think I read your comment somewhere that there’s little revolutionizing that can be done to scouting – which made me laugh – but I wonder whether you’re more inclined to fear this power consolidation or more interested to see how a Chip-i-fied personnel department fits into the greater scheme.
Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Bill Bellicheck.
The only three coaches to ever really have success wearing both hats. Kelly has yet to announce legally changing his name to Bill, so I’m worried. Maybe Billy Davis will rub off. I adore Chip, but I’m not really a big fan of singular control. Even Bellicheck the coach has pretty much saved Bellicheck the scout because he’s had some stinkers of draft classes.
I am a fan of Roseman and he probably got screwed a little bit on this one. He takes far too much flak from the knuckledragging masses for not having a background in football. I don’t think you necessarily need to have played the sport in order to be a good scout. I know guys who played college ball and honestly can’t scout worth a damn. He’s spent years in the front office and has certainly achieved a great deal of exposure and experience at player evaluation. In the same way that the best players make shitty coaches, I don’t think having played football forever means you’re qualified to be a GM.
Additionally I believe that a GM shouldn’t be the coach because in a cap constrained sport, economics play a major factor. Contrary to what many people think, talent acquisition isn’t Madden. You can’t just sign all the best players to team friendly deals, get vets to restructure for peanuts and cut players who are not playing up to their contract at the drop of a hat. Coaches tend to focus too much on he short term, GM’s need to be thinking two or three years down the line. A good but not great player is going to be up for free agency in two years, he’s going to get a contract that exceeds his value to the franchise, so go get somebody in the middle or late rounds to groom, as opposed to being forced into drafting a rookie high and playing him immediately in two years (this is the Ted Thompson, Ozzie Newsome model)
As far as innovation, Dennis Hickey the Dolphins GM immediately created a department of analytics upon being hired last year. We’ll see how that works out. I would love Chip to institute something similar. In a cap constrained sport, where owner are making windfall profits annually, I’ve never understood why more resources aren’t put into an area where they can spend freely. In fact the trend in the last 15 years has been to make scouts kids a year or two out of college (typically after a year or two of being a Grad Assistant) paying them absolute peanuts (so little that social workers would cringe). The shit pay and crazy hours and travel lead to high burnout and turnover so you lose the investment in human capital. I think the best way to innovate the modern scouting structure would be to reduce the size of scouting zones. Pay 6 figures to experienced scouts,so by increasing pay, and decreasing the burdens you can attract a higher level of talent. Also implement an apprenticeship program where young scouts are tied to the hip to one area scout for two years, another for two years and then get a year at the home office
Correct me if i am wrong but this system is the same as Pete Carrolls also. He is having success with it.
In name, sure, but Schneider is considered to have lots of pull and has the title of General Manager. It would be more similar to what we just moved away from.
Ahhh, thank you. Damn PFT for giving me inaccurate information again.
Excellent thoughts, and thanks (as always) for your insight and opinion.
Yeah, even though I was pushing back against the perception that Kelly lacks talent evaluation skills (especially the Taylor Hart over reaction) I’m still a little freaked.
If he listens to people who have skills he doesn’t, great. If not…then I hope his systems saves him.
Taylor Hart in the 5th round was great, in the 3rd would have been criminal.
If known talents drafted after Huff ( I agree with D3FB that Brown from low class Pittsburgh State would have been met with disdain) continue to outshine him, that force pick of him a round or two early could continue to be a problem.
All in all we can judge the results from the 2014 draft in one year, but with two guys drafted a round early (Smith and Huff) and another guy almost drafted 2 rounds early (Hart); we need to make sure we’re not flushing opportunity down the toiled based on reach picks.
That’s interesting about analytics. It’s being used a lot more in basketball, and I know the A’s have had some success using it as well. Though the A’s can’t seem to win a playoff series, at least they’re around every year for the playoffs.
It sounds like the scouting is a lot like some of the lesser appreciated work in some companies. Crap pay because they don’t value it, but probably lose a lot more money in new hires and training. Plus, the brain drain might hurt a lot more if you lose a really good scout.
Well, let’s hope that Kelly fits the Bill.
Also, with regards to revolutionizing scouting, remember the (likely untrue) quote:
“Charles H. Duell was the Commissioner of US patent office in 1899. Mr. Deull’s most famous attributed utterance is that “everything that can be invented has been invented.””
http://patentlyo.com/patent/2011/01/tracing-the-quote-everything-that-can-be-invented-has-been-invented.html
excellent post; could not agree more on both Chip and possible innovations in the FO and scouting depts.
Has Bellichick won SB since becoming King Bill? I don’t think so. And Parcells – not even close. Walsh is light years ahead of any example, of HC being successful chief talent evaluator. Re: Parcells, I find it instructive that NY Giants let him walk rather than giving him the control he sought, and those that gave him more power got nothing to show for it. Both NY and Pittsburgh have more classic franchise structures where the HC knows going in that he is there for that sole undertaking. Lurie has tried to replicate the structure in Seattle, where Pete Carol hired his GM, and that could work with Kelly, but Seattle has a very good talent evaluator in John Schneider. His picks are all over that defense. Lurie could eventually move to a more classic franchise structure if Kelly ends up finding a savvy talent evaluator. As it stands, Kelly does not look exceptional, but I’m guessing he may realize that.
Like you said, Schneider was brought in by Carroll. Great, he worked out and can evaluate talent for his coach. What’s to say that can’t work here? It’s actually a closer comparison than Belichick (who grew with his HOF QB) and Parcells.
Plus, it’s also some chicken and egg – some of those DBs are great due to their coaching/development. Sherman and Chancellor may not have worked out as well elsewhere, and having Earl fall into their laps gave them a playmaker at what may be 2nd or 3rd most valuable position after QB. We’ve seen the effects a great S has on a secondary (and entire defense) in the last decade.
Chip may be doing similar with his WRs (getting crazy production from Reid’s guys, Matthews off to good start, I’m hopeful on Huff). Ertz is a great weapon when he’s actually playing. and of course, Chip can scheme a run game.
…you know it’s hard out here for a Chip…
http://youtu.be/zQ7_yscOlW4
I just found this album yesterday when cleaning out my car. nice tie in.
Well if it’s spelled “Marynowitz” but pronounced “Manowitz” I have to figure his name is both misspelled and mispronounced a lot.
As long as he doesn’t draft Tony Mandarich or Todd Marinovich it should be fine.
He might if he has been drinking Manischewitz wine
Off-topic: There’s more Trae Waynes breakdowns coming in on draftbreakdown.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000407751/article/2015-nfl-draft-order-top-3-needs-for-all-32-teams
There are multiple teams that could snag the guy ahead of us. A lot of folks looking for help at corner.
Pronounced man-o-witz
Irony has it that ‘Witz’ is joke in German.
Better or worse than Sam Ficken?
This is still by far the worst name ever given to a human being.
I think Eli Manning is by far the worst name you could give to anybody, but I’m happy to give a silver medal to Sam Ficken.
I worked with a man who had his doctorate in education. His name was Dr. Conquest. His first name was Gaylord. This is 100% factual.
Incredibly cruel or clueless parents 😛
Good article, Tommy. I’ll say it again, Chip, this is now your team. You better win it all because the excuses are now all gone. If you demand all the power, you take all the responsibility. I believe in you, but success is a SB win and nothing less. Bring it on home!
That’s positive news. I can’t wait tonrecieve news that “bad d” Billy Davis and the eagles decided to “mutually” part ways. Hypothetical for all of you. What if Winston dropped(not likely I know) but say he dropped like Manziel and was still available at pick 15 would you move up and take a flyer on the guy?
No. He’s a disaster waiting to happen off the field and his poor TD:INT ratio this season shows a guy who struggles to read Ds and/or take his job seriously week in and week out.
Theres nothing special about him regardless of off the field issues. I dnt understand why he is being talked about as a #1 in the first place.
I wouldn’t go that far. He’s an exceptionally talented drop back trained passer. His judgement as a player was better as a freshman, which I consider a huge red flag purely on a scouting side, but he’s still the most talented and polished ‘pro style’ passer in this draft.
Like both MediaMike and you, Mitchell, I still wouldn’t touch him with a fifty foot pole. He seems to have many of the worst qualities that Johnny Manziel has demonstrated (me first prima donna) with even more questionable off-field behavior. I would be scared stiff, as a gm, of putting this kid in charge of my franchise.
No means no!
That’s fair enough.
I think it’s very special that a young man can live with so much off the field turmoil, chaos, yet none of the off the field distractions could ever effect him on the field. No matter what drama he had sorrounding him. He steps on the field with Tunnel Vision and manages to win EVERY TIME…. That’s a special trait IMO that can serve him really well in the NFL world…
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Marriotta, is being questioned if his shy, quiet, demeanor, is going to be able to get in a 30yr old offensive linemans face when the QB needs to act like a leader…
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To be honest, I don’t see another andrew Luck in this draft class, but I havent paid close enough to the QBs to really get into it….. I have full confidence in Nick, so I barely paid any attention to the college QBs..
It’s probably because he is a sociopath
Lol SOOO true!!
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Very well played sir!!!
So I think making judgement on a head coach in anything less than 5 years (unless the guy is really terrible) isn’t fair.
So at the end of 5 years if this Chip-led undertaking doesn’t mirror 1999-2003 in terms of consecutive division titles and constant deep playoff runs, we’ll have to judge it as not where it needs to be. I’m not trying to be Cincy mired at 10-6 all of the time or Houston (so close, so talented, but wait for next year to be our playoff run) when we’re looking at this team at the end of 2017.
A lot of things have to go right for a team to win a title, but “par” for this organization needs to be yearly title contender status.
Hahahah says a fan who calls players busts after ther rookie season lol… That’s Rich 😉 cheers
Who did I call a bust?
I have a theory. I don’t think hardly anyone here except potentially GEagle will agree with my theory. It is that Roseman is now Kelly’s direct boss. Prior to this restructuring, you had two parallel chains of command with two supposedly equals – Roseman leading the scouting operation and Kelly leading the coaching operation. There were obvious overlaps between the two and the two parallel lines did not adequately communicate with each other. While Roseman gets the rap of being a politician, the evidence seems to be that he does not blindly make decisions of his own accord and listens to his personnel staff. Unlike Banner, Roseman brought in experienced guys around him and valued their input.
I couldn’t find it on my own but someone else in the other thread had a quote from Marynowitz that Howie listened. You also have these quotes:
Roseman, charged with returning the Eagles to respectability after four
years without a playoff win and two years without a winning record, has
created a scouting department where all voices are heard, healthy debate
is encouraged and egos are put in mothballs.
“I think it says a
lot about Howie, that he’s willing to do that,” said Donahoe, architect
of the Steelers teams of the 1990s. “There’s a lot of guys in the league
in Howie’s position who wouldn’t do that.”
“They’re either threatened by it or they’re intimidated by it or it’s going to be their
show and they want to run the show, and Howie has really just put his
ego on the back burner, and he wants to get better, and he thinks that
having good people around him and different voices and different
opinions, it’s a way for the team to get better, so he deserves a lot of
credit for having the guts to do it.”
“One of Howie’s strong points is his ability to let everyone speak about
how they feel about a player, talk about it, be able to draw out
peoples’ opinions,” Mueller said. “It’s something Howie’s phenomenal at.
“He’s a really good listener, and that’s really important. You can be a great
scout, you can be the best scout in the history of scouts, and if you
can’t get your opinion across or it’s not heard, it doesn’t mean
anything, and that’s one aspect of Howie that’s been really good.
“He listens to what everybody says, he takes it all in, you know your
opinion’s considered, and at the end of the day somebody’s got to make a
decision, but he does a great job of soliciting opinions, getting
everybody’s opinions, listening and then making an informed decision on
it.”
Those quotes are from this article:
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/672509-revamped-scouting-staff-shows-roseman-can-adapt/
I know there have been reports that Roseman had friction with Marynowitz and Mueller, but I’ll take someone’s direct quote over a reporter’s so-called source every day of the week. Based on the above, I think it’s fair to place the majority of the blame for any lack of communication of friction on Kelly’s end. The issue is that Kelly brings to many other positive factors to the table and didn’t want to risk losing him. So if two parallel lines aren’t working, the move to make is to go to a top-down structure. The entire personnel operation is not under Kelly but that doesn’t mean that someone isn’t above him in that chain of command. People tend to think titles are meaningless, but being named Executive VP of Football Operations is meaningful. With other organizations, the title of Executive VP of Football Operations is usually an add-on to a coach or GM title that indicates that that person has overall control of the operation. Buffalo already has a GM but the reports are that they want to bring in a “czar” to oversee football operations.
I’m not saying that Roseman will necessarily be micromanaging Kelly and telling him what to do on a day to day basis. However, he will be reviewing Kelly’s performance and reporting back to Lurie and will be a major part in any decision down the road whether to extend Kelly’s contract or potentially fire him. This chain of command structure would appeal to all. There aren’t competing divisions(coaches and scouts) and everyone works together directly under Kelly.
And Lurie kept this elaborate restructuring a secret because . . . Why, exactly?
The title sort of says it all, doesn’t it? Executive VP of Football Operations is above a head coach and the person in charge of the scouting operation. Reid was HC/Executive VP of Football Operations before and people always complained about Banner’s influence. I’ve always said Banner was Reid’s boss, even though people didn’t view it that way. Banner was team president. The team president is the boss of all vice presidents. Titles aren’t meaningless, contrary to the opinion of some.
Titles may not be meaningless, but they’re pretty close to it.
I don’t agree
As far as “revolutionizing” scouting goes, I’ve always thought does it really make sense to have general scouts that judge every position? Instead of separating scouts by area of the country, wouldn’t make sense to have scouts specialize by position(QB, RB, etcetera). Part of the friction that was going on was coaches changing the grades of scouts but what if you had a RB scout that was part of the RB “team” and that worked hand in hand with the position coach to find players that fit what they wanted. Now people will say that that is financially prohibitive as a RB scout couldn’t possibly cover the entire country. However with all the technology today, is that really necessary? You can skype with colleges’ scouting and training staff to learn about players. You could potentially outsource to an independent scouting service security background checks.
You want to physically be around a kid. You want to go watch him practice or play a game.
Apparently Chip wanted Jordan Matthews in the first. I want to stay confident in Chip’s choice of players but sometimes even fans can see some players are just better than others.
I think picking Matthews is reasonable, but you have to be able to read a draft.
. . . and this is what scares me about Chip the talent evaluator. Matthews had an exceptional rookie season and has been a very good player, but in last years draft, he was available in the 2nd. This is 3 players now (with Huff and Hart the other two) where Chip pushed a selection early. Complain that I’m being overly negative if you wish, but this is the path to mediocrity.
I have hope that Chip will learn how to listen to whoever he works with in the front office on how to play poker with the draft and not push early selections of guys.
I don’t think you’re being negative. You’re just being cautiously optimistic and I agree with you. Chip doesn’t have any real evidence to prove that he is great at drafting. He has took some chances on raw players (or maybe it was Howie?) but he has taken a lot more players that are more prepared to play right now but have a limited ceiling.
Wait, weren’t fans on this board saying that they would have been happier if Mathews was picked in the first and smith in the second after the draft?
Also, where a player is selected isn’t solely about the players talent, but where a GM decides he can’t risk waiting any longer to select a player. Talent evaluation is one part of it, but guessing who else wants that player is a significant part as well. We can’t assume his wanting to pick early was due to a lack of talent evaluation ability or a misunderstanding of what other teams were thinking. Also, chip was working off reports from the scouting department – could his thinking been driven by the reports he had that seemed to elevate players in his mind? Not that the reports were incorrect, but that his interpretation of the information presented skewed from what was intended… In other words, there are multiple points in the draft room where mistakes can occur, not all are with talent evaluation.
Good points and on the glass is half full side, I even agree with most.
1. I never wanted Matthews taken over Smith in the 1st. In the 2014 draft, pass rushers were at a higher premium than receivers.
2. You could be right on the multiple viewpoints etc, but this still presents a flaw with putting Kelly, who can only do the talent evaluation part time at best, in charge. Kelly and his coaches absolutely should have an impact on the type of player selected. Having one person, whether it is Roseman or someone else, who’s primary job is to take the reams of information and organize it and determine who is both most valuable to the team and most likely to still be there seems like an obvious solution. Head coaches, most of whom are control freaks to some extent, have a hard time letting someone else make those decisions. Kelly, who is one of the most egalitarian head coaches I’ve ever read about, has struggled with it the last two seasons.
3. In order of successful drafts, 1st is 2012 where Roseman selected who he and his scouting department thought were the most talented players. 2nd is 2013 where Kelly had input but Roseman still appeared to have a heavy say. 3rd was last seasons draft where Kelly had the most input and Roseman was marginalized. On the talent evaluation side, it seems clear that we became less successful as Kelly gained a stronger voice.
This doesn’t mean that I think Kelly can’t be successful. Kelly has shown he is exceptionally sharp and has shown in other areas a willingness to delegate. Whether it was personality or philosophy that prevented Kelly and Roseman from seeing eye to eye, great head coaches are harder to find than great personnel guys. Kelly now has to find a great personnel guy that he can work with. I just hope his choice is better than his choice of defensive coordinator.
My intention isn’t o be overly optimistic but measured. We can’t assume that this will end perfectly nor can we assume chip will run this team like al Davis or jerry jones. The way some people are reacting you would think chip is sitting at his desk laughing meniacally:
http://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-excellent-mr-burns-8fen5LSZcHQ5O
Sad to hear that ESPN’s Stuart Scott just passed away. He was one of THE faces when I ‘grew’ up with watching ESPN Sportscenter. 🙁
Loved that guy. It’s an industry that has become way too reliant on retired professional athletes, they’ll have a hard time filling his shoes.
figured I’d share with the gang:
So Kelly didn’t like the wrapping paper, but was ok with the gift. I can live with that.
Watch him bring back gamble as his personnel guy
Doubtful. That move had a lot besides just Howie behind it. Some of the writers postulated that Gamble wouldn’t 100% commit to not taking another job, so they needed him out so that he wouldn’t spill the beans on the Eagles free agent, contract, and draft plans.
If he would “not have fought to save” him, then he wasn’t too interested/worried in keeping him.
My speculation: Kelly was going after control regardless of the Gamble move. Gamble himself probably also wants control, somewhere. May not have hung around to work under Kelly.
Given the results, I’d say that’s a reasonable guess. This years draft/FA period is going to be very interesting.
Insomniac’s list of freak athletes to watch at the combine
Sammie Coates – WR
Dorial Green-Beckham – WR
Shane Ray – EDGE
Eric Striker – LB
Shawn Oakman – DL
Arik Armstead – DL
Benardrick McKinney – LB
Shaq Thompson – LB
Alvin Dupree – LB
I approve this list because it doesn’t include any “freak athletes” attempting to ruin the QB position.
Mike, I have to ask, are you secretly Nolan Narwocki? Your hatred of athletes at QB is both amusing and slightly scary.
No, I’m Larry Brown if I’m anybody. I like the game played the right way. The QB running around with the ball isn’t quarterbacking. I’m also Greg Cosell and Pat Kirwan.
I don’t blame him. Athleticism often does more harm then good in a QBs development. Ability to use athleticism to get out of trouble, stunts their QB growth from the pocket, and a QBs ability from the pocket should be about 85% of the evaluaton. Athleticism and intangibles can make up the other 15% of how you judge a QB
Rodgers!
Exactly… for all the athletc QBs, how many actually developed into good enough QBs from the pocket? Rogers, Steve Young, Russell Wilson…. And a lot of the time the athletic QBs use athleticism to buy more time to throw the ball, instead of taking off
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Barkley said some weird comments the OTHer day.. “I tried to stay ready knowing that the nature of our offense with QBs running could mean I will have to go in any minute”
I can’t take credit for it, but a talent evaluator pointed out that when evaluating QBs, the hardest part was evaluating how the QB handles chaos. Some QBs are great when everything is going right. Sanchez and Barkley both look like these type of guys. Arguably, Peyton Manning is the extreme version of this. What separates the good from the great QBs is are they able to handle the chaos. Athleticism can be a weapon here, and Rodgers is the perfect example. With all of that, I won’t deny that at the pro level, a QB first has to be able to diagnose defenses and accurately deliver the football.
Bud Dupree is going top 10 to the Falcons… Take that to the bank
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Shawn Oakman staying in college
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Shane Ray, over rated… He won’t be an eagle
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DGB Beckham is a Charecter concern who won’t even be on chips big board
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I assume the Eagles ILB will come from this group:
Erik Kemdricks
Benardrick mcKinney
Shaq Thompson
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6’2 CB jaylen Collins fom LSU will light up the combine and climb into the first round.
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Randy Gregory, I have heard people say they think his talent and Athleticism Rivals Jadveon Clowneys… So you can bet I’m curious to see what that kid does at the combine..
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Interested in seeing what Funchess does. I assume he won’t even be in Kelvin Benjamins league athletically
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Speaking of the Combine, when the hell are they going to leave the Stone Age? Stop watches and crap… When will they start using all the sports science, advanced analytic gear to measure athletes athleticism.
We have all THIS awesome new technology that can really measure all types of athletic ability, and we are still using stop watches at the combine?
Striker is staying in school. Early rumblings are that Green-Beckham will as well, but that remains to be decided.
Norvell being fired sealed the deal for DGB, I suppose.
Bill Polian was considered by many to be the top GM in football when he was with the colts. He made a habit of targetjng guys that fit what they wanted to do in Indy ad drafted them where they valued them.
Chip Kelly in uncoventional in general and is very particular with the players he wants to bring in. I think we need to get use to him valuing players differntly that most people, but Polian’s success showed that this approach can work.
Now we just need Nick Foles to turn into Peyton Manning and we are all set.
What guys in particular? Peyton Manning wasn’t exactly a reach.
Bob Sanders
Edge over Ricky
He traded away Faulk in his prime
He was uncoventional and had success. Just sayjng it can be done.
Good examples, thank you.
Edge played at a significantly better school than Ricky, so props to Polian on that one especially.
“He was uncoventional and had success. Just sayjng it can be done.”
Sure, but it also helps to be lucky enough to have the first pick in the draft when one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time is available.
Polian was great at first, but he fell off big-time his last few years with the Colts. That coincided with bringing in his son Chris Polian into the personnel operation.
I should troll call him while he’s on Sirius NFL and ask him about his stupid son.
Not that we want to be in Buffalo’s company, but coach/GM throwdowns aren’t exactly unusual.
“Appearing on Sunday NFL Countdown, ESPN’s
Adam Schefter reported ex-coach Doug Marrone “stormed out of the draft
room” when the Bills traded up for Sammy Watkins in May’s draft.
It’s a display of an extreme disconnect between the
coach and the front office. And it’s not the only time Marrone, GM
Doug Whaley, and CEO Russ Brandon butted heads. The three reportedly
got into a heated argument on the practice field in front of the team
and media during the season. As a result of the Watkins trade, the
Bills are without a 2015 first-round pick. They also don’t have a
quarterback.”
At least we weren’t stupid enough to give Kelly an opt-out clause like the Bills did with Marrone.
I blame Doug Whaley for being a dope
Whaley has actually built that roster pretty damn well outside of the QB position.
very big except. EJ Manuel is an embarrassment to the position.
EJ Manuels college coach told the bills they shouldn’t draft EJ before the 3rd round LOL
Rare honesty from that collection of dishonest and cheating scum. There is just about nothing worse than Florida State.
“Mike Florio has the scoop”,….. That’s close to an Oxy moron
scoop for the cat litter*
That makes much more sense
What I find disturbing about chips rise to power is that he didn’t get this promotion because he deserved it, he got this promotion cuz Roseman went Rogue, fired Gamble without telling Lurie. Had he told LUrie, all the executive meetings that took place this week would have Happened BEFORE gamble was fired, instead they happened afterwards, which screams lUrie was doing damage control.
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Roseman went Rogue, over played his hand… LUrie did what he had to do to keep Chip here, since I assume firing his Personel guy was a breech of the conditions chip agreed upon when he signed…. So chip isn’t geting this power promotion because he earned it thru great Personel decision making, chip is getting this promotion because Howie went Rogue, overplayed his hand and chip jumped on him and held his feet to the fire.
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LUrie had two options
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1) explain to the city of Philadelphia why Howie chased Chip away after two years..
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Or
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2) Give Chip the power, ensuring chip that this crap with Roseman never happens again.
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Time will tell if LUrie made the RIGHT decision, but this was probably the decisipn Lurie had to make to stop a potential shit storm
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No way Lurie knew bout this before Howie fired gamble
I don’t agree with your premise. I think Chip’s power play was not a result of “rogue Howie”. I think “rogue Howie” was a pre-emptive strike by Roseman against the coming Chip power play.
Ok
You’re getting the “meetings” thing from media chatter. You should know by now that what the media reports isn’t necessarily the truth. I think your view of the timeline is skewed anyway. By the timeline you are laying out then Howie would have had to have fired Gamble independently on Tuesday, held emergency meetings with Kelly and Roseman convincing them both to stay and work out a new power structure, negotiate a new contract with Roseman’s agent and have time for all parties involved to review this new contract. That to me is quite a stretch.
NO IM NOT!!! Fuck the media, I know for a FACT there was a mess going on at Novacare after the firing of gamble
No you don’t.
You can’t possibly believe that. Chip didn’t EARN Personel power. he didn’t EARN a promotion… For Chip to be getting this power that he didn’t EARN, screams Howie breeched the agreement chip signed when he joined the Eagles, getting to bring his own Personel guy….chip is getting a promotion he doesn’t deserve right now… Chip didn’t have the clout to ask for this promotion now…. The fact that he is getting it, means Howie fucked up and didn’t play his cards right
It’s not a matter of EARN. It’s a matter of asserting his ambition. Howie had to see it coming. He played the only card he had left.
Clearly he did have the clout to ask for the promotion, since there was no way Lurie was going to let him walk just to save Roseman.
Think about it. You’re familiar with Howie, the way he does things, his demeanor in general. Does he strike you as the type who would just go “rogue”?
if Lurie would have known, Lurie would have EVEYTHING worked out BEFORE we officially Fired Gamble, and there would have been NO REASON for all the drama and executive meetings that followed the firing Of gambe. Do you really think Lurie is stupid?
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Lurie is a very thoughtful, maticulous man. No matter what BIG MOVE we are about to make, Lurie would work everything out before hand.. No shot in hell that Lurie was like “go ahead and fire Gamble, we will worry about Chip Kelly’s reaction later”.,. NO WAY
I do agree that Chip didn’t earn more power (at least from what I can tell externally), and that it is the most worrying development here. I don’t have any evidence that Chip is better at selecting players than Roseman–and a little that he is not.
I seriously doubt Howie didn’t give Lurie a heads-up. I’m not going to argue your theory. It’s plausible at least. However, you seem to present your arguments as they are fact, when it’s just your own supposition.
FACT: after the firing of gamble, the organization was in a frenzy and Lurie had to call executive meetings.
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FACT: chip fought for being able to chose his own Personel guy when he agreed to take this job. I can’t say that it’s a fact that firing gambe was a breach of the agreement, but I don’t see how it couldn’t be…
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FACT: Lurie has NEVER been impulsive, has always been thoughtful and Maticulous in all his decisions regarding the Eagles.
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If you believe that Howie told Lurie he would fire gamble, then you must also believe that Lurie said “Ok HOwie, do what you want, and we will worry about chips reaction later”??? And I don’t see how anyone coulda possibly brelieve that.
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If Lurie knew Gamble was getting the AXE that day, you can bet he would have taLiked to chip and everyone before hand, worked out the transition before hand, and after Gamble was fired, we would have NEVER seen all the frenzy, with all the executive meetings at Novacare aft the firing.
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Howie CLEARLY fired Gamble before Lurie could talk to chip and work out all the details of the new power structure that would follow the gamble firing. If Lurie knew about it, this mess would have NEVER happened. Everything would have been worked out before Gamblr was officially fired… I don’t understand how this isn’t OBVIOUS?
http://sports.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/images6.jpg
Suh, and the rest of Detroit’s front 7, destroying the Cowboys overrated garbage today is going to be sweet.
I’ve heard thay before and then the Cowboys went 12-4 🙁
Only because we let them.
Exactly.
It brings back a memory. I was hired by the NFL to play at one of their pre-Superbowl events. On a break, I ended up in a urinal next to Troy Aikman. He was… amiable.
I assume Marynowitz would turn us down if he gets the Jets GM job… I’m sure he would rather run a team as a real GM, then to be chips Flunky who does all his leg work…
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I assume that if its true that we are lookng towards Marynowitz, then the reports of him being pissed off that we ignore him are false.. Why would we want someone who we didn’t value enough to listen too? If Marynowitz is hired, we can add McLane report to the pile of bogus crap our media provides such a passionate fanbase
I hadn’t heard that the Jets were interested in Marynowitz. I got the feeling they would be looking at guys like Gamble and Scott Pioli.
Where is this coming from? There is nothing out thre about the Jets being interested in Marynowitz. They are interviewing Rick Mueller for their GM job. I think you got the two mixed up.
I don’t remember…..could be.
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I did here two conflicting reports:
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1) scouting/Personel department feeling ignored
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2) Marynowitz and Howie fighting..
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If #2 is true, It makes sense that chip would be considering him.
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It sounds like there were different camps with in the personnel department with Marynowitz and Gamble(and maybe Mueller) aligning themselves with Kelly and Patch and most of the guys who have been here longer being Roseman loyalists.
I would Agree with that…. I’m not qualified to be upset if chip hired Marynowotz, Mueller or some other guy. Most of these guys can walk up to me on the street and ask me what time it is, and it wouldn’t recognize them. But I have to admit that Id be a little dissapointed if we promote from With in…… None of these names were hired by Chip kelly. Chip Kelly has dedicated himself to football. He knows who the bright young football minds are, and I would like to use this as an opportunity to bring in other brilliant football talemt evaluators..
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And if it’s true that some scouts and Personel people were ignored by chip and gamble, then I would hope THOSE people are replaced with scouts that chip respects and values their opinipn. Instead of maintaining the status quo, let’s see chip upgrade the scouting department
would love to know what players we passed on
BECAUSE WHY NOT!
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 20: Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Tony Washington, OLB, Oregon (B)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 4 Pick 20: Eric Rowe, CB, Utah (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State (B-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (A)
Round 7 Pick 20: Detrick Bonner, FS, Virginia Tech (C)
And so it begins….. I like the Rowe and Gunter picks. You’re missing Sammie Coates though.
I f-ing love that site.
Coates is another Benjamin. No thanks.
In what way?
Who wouldn’t take a guy like Benjamin?
Or someone that’s actually better than him!?!?
Only the morons THATS who
route running + hands. you are correct on explosiveness though.
And speed and physicality
I would argue his hands are probably better too. Not great but better.
Lol WOW SHOTS FIRED!!! SHOTS FIRED!!
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You did the honors, for the GRAND OPENING of Draft Season?
Why the F not. I just another where I traded down to pick up an extra pick and wound up with both your boy Kendricks AND Todd Gurley to fire some shots in Shady’s direction!
Lol I don’t blame you bro… I secretly been playing that game all year lol.l
I am not sure if I’d call this Eagles draft a success when picking CB in the 4th at the earliest. I am aware of the BPA approach, but I surely hope that there will be better defensive backs on our draft board when we are on the clock in the first couple of rounds.
This is all a fun activity on my part. It doesn’t get serious until we’re into March / April.
In the giants words of Evan Mathis: noted.
In a perfect world, you draft BPA every pick so positional needs don’t matter. We all know that’s not what happens. I know it’s all good meaningless fun, but I don’t see the point of mock drafts until after free agency has gone at least 2 weeks or so.
I hate that line of thinking….. There are quality starters in all 5 of the top rounds.. Hopefully we have the Personel staff that will go find the 4th round starters…I’ll admit 4th round might be a little stretch, but IMO, I honestly value 3rd round picks as much as I value the 24th pick in the draft… You should be drafting a stud with a top 100 pick…
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I really group,the draft Tiers like this:
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Tier 1:The ELITE prospects. Starts at #1 and ends somewhere between #17-#24 depending on the draft class
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Tier 2: from #20 to the end of round 3. I see very little difference between a second round pick and a 3rd round pick
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Tier 3: Rounds 4-5. There are quality starters to be had from these rounds, but at the least, you should be getting a solid backup and ST player from this Tier
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Tier 4: The longshots, round 6-7
If it makes you feel better, I would wager that Gunter and Rowe are more like late 2nd/3rd round corners. I would gladly take both of those two and be extremely happy
please don’t start this yet.
It’s time. This is what I live for!!!
We know who your first round pick is
Who?
The second coming of mother Tharesa in an auburn,jersey
Silly Geags that’s my second round pick! First is Waynes.
That’s right…
Given the recent reports shall we all be worried now that Chip is going to take Oregon’s punter in the 1st round?!
As long as we don’t get the Arizona Cardinal punter, it’ll be fine.
I want the Alabama punter!
Kids young I think… Hopefully he stays in school two more years, eventually come out and replace donnie Longball… That kid can punt!!!
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Wonder how much longer we can count on Dorenbos long snapping? Dudes giung to be like 58years old, still long snapping and collecting checks from Lurie
think we have less to trade, our pass rushing trade bait are all FAs now.
Curry, unless we will extend HIM, OR DRAFT PICKS
Was he their punter that started the season or was he a recent addition due to injury? That was some of the worst punting i have seen in college and NFL.
Pick #20 is soooo MEH! That’s right around the area where you will be stuck chosing between players with second round grades. Unfortunately there isn’t an exact number of first round prospects in every class enough for every team to get one,,.
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IMO we over reacted to the first two years of Kelly era. Good or bad, anything that happened the first two years was just Gravy..but no matter how much we love chip, it’s only FAIR, that come year 3 a coach is required to start showing results… Nick FOles going into his 4th year, 3rd in the offense, all our OL getting up there in age, Time to LOAD UP this offseason and take a run at this..
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if we can’t get a quality first round talemt that upgrades an important position for us, I hope to see Chip get Creative.l Something Like:
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1) #20….. Trade back to #26 and pick up an extra 3rd round pick
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2) #26… eagles trade back to #30 and pick up another 3rd round pick.
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3) #30… Whatever ILB is left between Kendricks, McKinney or Shaq
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4) The Philadelphia Eagles AQUIRE the 4th pick in the 2nd round, trading away a 2016 1st round pick… With the 4th pick in round 2 Eagles select WR Devin Smith from Ohio St.. Outside Derp threat opposite of Maclin
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5) Eagles 2nd re pick: Hroniss Grasu Guard/backüp to Kelce
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We then have three 3rd round picks, possibly two 4ths because of the bryce Brown trade, and a 5th..
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We xould either package a few to get back into round two. We can draft three 3rd rounders. We can trade 1 for Dion Jordan. Trade one for an extra pick next year, we can trade back be get more picks….. Whatever we do, I think we need to get really creative this year, stock pile a bunch of Talent, and make the training camp hiighly competive with guys really fighting for spots.
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Rd 3: Virginia Safety Anthony Harris
Rd 3: Jake Fisher T/G Oregon
Trade back from third 3rd round pick
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We now have like three 4th rounders depending on Bryce Brwon trAde. trade one for Dion Jordan.. Stock up on Corners
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If we have a good season next year, the first round pick we owe in 2016 would be a late first rounder, so we basically would just be trading away a future second round talemt to get an extra pick At the beginning of round 2. Some studs will be available at the top of round 2
It’s easy to say “trade for Dion Jordan” and it seems possible it could happen, but that depends a lot on Miami and what they are going to do with their defense, and that depends on who their new defensive coordinator is. It’s possible they’ll bring someone in who wants to change their scheme and if that’s the case, they might prefer to keep him.
Doubt it…. MIami made good progress this year, it’s their GM and Headcoachs last year to improve enough to keep their job next year. Some wondered if they would be fired this year. There best chance at improving enough to save their job is continuity, building off of last years improvements. I’d be very surprised to see. Scheme change when they don’t have job security past this year…. This current regime can no longer afford to wait on Dions Potentiall…. …
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I don’t have a crystal ball. I could easily be wrong, but personally, I would be pretty surprised if Dion Jordan isn’t at Eagle training camp this year… But we’ll see. Draft pick is worth a edge rusher chip loves on a chip rookie contract
Per @RoobCSN, Roseman got a $200K raise to $1.7M annually on a contract that runs through 2020.
Not a bad pay raise.
damn, i need to send some letters to nfl franchises.
LIKE I SAID, Roseman is also a winner in this, so the clowns who said I was “spinning”(as if I care enough to spin and not call it how I see it) can now down……..Howie also “won”.. He just won in a different way then he intended on winning when this battle started..
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Really need to applaud Lurie for doing what it took to clean up this potential disaster. I think Roseman created this mess, so the fact that he got a legit promotion shows just how much Lurie values him
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At the end of the day. Roseman would have been a MAJOR LOSER if he won Personel power but chased chip away. So this was a BIGTIME win for the mess I think Roseman created
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The scary part is chip is getting is getting power he hasn’t earned, Howie just misplayed his hand and chip is capitalizing. Time will if givng chip this power was a good idea. Not too many men have been able to successfully wear BOTH coach and GM hat…. But I doubt most of the men who failed trying, didn’t spend their Saturday’s during the season to scout college players. Chip was putting in the scouting work on his own, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see chip pull this off and do a great job…time will tell…. This will be a fascinating offseason, and what chip wants and values willl Become Transparant now that he has absolute power. Curious to see who he waives, who gets restructured, who gets extended, who we sign in FA, who we trade for, what we do in the draft…
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I was getting ready for a nice quiet offseason thanks to chip, instead our world gets ROCKED before the playoffs even started and we are now in store for a fascinating offseason
crazy part is how much good will roseman had with lurie.
RIGHT!!! Crazy amount of goodwill to create this mess and Lurie covered his ass and let him come out smelling like a winner as well
All this conversation is based on an assumption that Roseman went “rogue” and fired Gamble without consulting Lurie first. It’s not a poorly told narrative, but without any concrete and not circumstantial evidence that this was the case, all it is is a narrative.
Even if the team released a statement, there’d still understandably be speculation. Truth is, we’ll never know for certain.
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I’ve read your comments(as I always do) but I don’t think he won. The “prize” for these exec’s is the GM position. That’s the cream of the cop. A1. Moving him out and giving him more money may look like a win to us but from a company structure stand point, that’s not a win. More money only softens the blow and more money only prolongs something that’s coming. HR is not in the long term of plans.
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IF HR went rogue and fired Gamble a spur of the moment only opens himself up for legal actions. You can’t do that, in any company. HR isn’t that stupid. The Eagles brass pride themselves on making educated decisions. If HR acted on his own, without input/conference with Chip(and/or Lurie), he created his won noose.
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I’m willing to bet HR doesn’t make it to 2020.
Terrance Newman on TY Hilton play action pass is how Bradley Fletcher is supposed to play the ball.
wow so kelly wanted Matthews in the first, hart in the 3rd? i’m scared, i hope we get a real nfl guy in there that understands the draft.
I want to preface this with the comment that I don’t necessarily believe the narrative as it has been presented. That being said, there is an aspect of that narrative that hasn’t been discussed in terms of megalomaniacal power grabs and the like… Yes this argument is extremely devils advocate-y, and no, I am not presenting it as reality. But I think it is important to look at a situation from all possible standpoints before drawing any conclusions and right now all the conclusions seem to point to drafting 8 UO players or trading the future for his ex-QB. So acting under the assumption that Gamble got fired due to HR essentially being jealous of his closeness to Kelly in an attempted power grab:
If HR did fire Gamble out of his hubris and anger over some comments made in response to a question, do you want someone like that being in charge of a scouting department? The department itself is responsible for grading and evaluating players, it isn’t like HR did all of the reports/scouting by himself, and most likely wasn’t the one doing the initial reports/secondary reports or compiling information (D3FB did a nice breakdown of scouting departments). We also don’t know how HR determines potential draft position, he may have been the one cautioning Chip about drafting players early, but he may have been using information gleaned from an underling and that responsibility may fall to a new subordinate of Chip. In general, firing someone over outside praise/internal decent is a horrible precedent to set and can lead to good people leaving, and people being afraid to speak their minds/raise valid concerns. Currently it is being reported that Chip was upset with the manner and timing of the dismissal, not that he would have “fought” the dismissal itself. That raises the possibility that Chip was concerned with the treatment of the scouts and the health of work environment from a collaborative standpoint.
We all assume that Chip was asserting himself over HR, perhaps he was trying to empower the lower level scouts by giving them more access to him and a larger voice in general?
I don’t know about megalomaniacal, probably more of a toxic-relationship issue. There probably are fundamental differences on building the team. It might not even be just about the draft. It might involve the retention of existing players. Howie comes out of the Joe Banner school of not keeping most older players around. It might involve the attitude towards obtaining free agents to address immediate needs. Not everything has to be about the draft.
I think most of us who were saying Chip was going to draft all Ducks were (mostly) joking. I think a lot of the trade-up-for-Mariota scenarios are wishful thinking.
I agree that the relationship was probably toxic, but the work environment for the scouts and the quality of their work should also be a part of this discussion.
I was presenting an extreme because all the discussion has really pointed at Chip as wanting total control and power and absolving HR in most respects. But the relationship and dynamics of a work environment in general are much more complex. It isn’t a black and white situation.
The nature and timing of the dismissal are odd, and the whole situation has left a huge number of questions, we need to make sure we think of all and not just focus on one small aspect of what has happened.
Great point about Roseman coming from the don’t hang onto expensive vets with declining performance school. Kelly has verbally praised and clearly loves several players who fall into this category. Demeco Ryans, Trent Cole, Brent Celek, and James Casey all fall into this category. If we were still under Banner, I doubt any of them would be returning next year. Kelly probably wants to keep all of them.
Considering Roseman still controls the contracts, he still has a hand in retention of aging players. If he takes a hard line on a contract with a player entering free agency, players can go with a better deal.
True, but all of them are still under contract. Banner would have cut them. Ideally, they only should stay if they agree to a restructure. What happens when they don’t want to? Kelly controls the roster, but Roseman controls contracts?? The drama may not be over.
That will be an interesting dynamic. It may not be over, or we are misunderstanding the drama and the nature of why Howie was removed from the scouting department.
it’s almost like Lurie had to put on his mommy hat and to separate the two kids(Chip and Howie) from fighting by putting them in their separate rooms….
Andrew Luck is unreal.
He’s not that great.
He’s good, but he’s over-hyped.
You guys are crazy.
I know right. Luck is the closest thing to Rodgers right now.
He’s making throws that maybe two other guys in the league can.
I’ve also seen him miss more than his share of open throws. I will never downplay his talent. He’s at the very upper end of the league in pure talent. If I was a fan of Indy, I’d be irritated he wasn’t more accurate.
Foles can be as good as flacco or Big Ben I think. He needs time and experience
yeah unless you win games he won’t have time. both of those qbs had a lot of success under their rookie qb. if flacco doesn’t get to playoffs in his final year he might not be a raven.
Good thing the one thing foles does is win games
against bad teams*
Colts are good and division games count
Give me a break with this
Our defense is the problem against good teams ie Arizona
Foles is 1/3 this season against teams with a record of .500 or higher. Don’t give me that bs.
Could he have thrown a better pass to cooper to beat the niners? Could he have covered brown to stop the td at Arizona? He is too slow to cover brown I’ll give you that… Giants were 3-1 when we beat them bad. He didn’t lose 3 games btw
3-1 and then exposed. He threw 62 times against the Cardinals barely completing almost half of those attempts. The Niners are a sinking ship and we heavily benefited without playing any of their stud LBs.
You might be better off routing for the cowboys… Romo is good
You’re just in lala land. Foles beat bad teams and didn’t even look good doing it.
Also the rams proved to be pretty decent. How could anyone watch that skins game and think foles didn’t do anything great? The Arizona game should be a foles win… He didn’t look like Brady but he did look like a young inexperienced tough kid qb
Lets ignore the fact that Foles turning the ball over let teams get back into the game. How about the clutch defense, RB and ST plays that let us win the game?
Clutch d against the back up that basically just missed the wide open guy at the end no defense needed..,
Clutch d is what would have beaten Arizona since foles left with the lead. You can’t blame foles for letting a team back in the game….and also blame him for cooper dropping a td pass and the d losing it in az
Or was it barely missing completing almost more then half?
They were only in the Niners game because of D and Special Teams in the first place.
Yes it’s a team game.
Down playing any NFL win is just supreme fanboy behavior. EVERY win in the NFL is a quality win.
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You need a great Team effort to win an NFL game. Its dumb enough that coaches and QBs are the ONLY people that get judged by record, and even keep track of record.. For FOles and chip to go 14-4 together or whatever the hell the record is, they had to get quality efforts from so many other players and coaches yet we foolishly keep track of a coaches and QB record, we can’t be so ridiculous that we start down playing their wins too.
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You can easily lose any week in the NFL.. Even beating “weak teams” and not having let downs in games you are supposed to win, is impressive accomplishment
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Saying Nick and Chip haven’t beaten anypne is so ridiculous.
I’m with botto, losses were on the whole team, not just on Foles. Your only wins against bad teams is just as legitimate a criticism of Kelly as it is against Foles.
14-4 against whoever lined up across from him
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Let’s examine the 4 losses
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Left saints game giving us the lead. ST and defense LOST the game. Young QB did what he was supposed to do.
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Left the cardinals game with a lead. Defense blew the game giving up the bomb to rookie WR
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49ers. All game we couldn’t get the ball past mid field, last drive, crunch time, leads us 85 yards down field, 1 yard short of the win.
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Only real bad Loss was the Vikings game last year, and the entire team rolled over
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Nick FOles has ONLY LOST 1 DIVISION GAME, last years cowboy ANOMOLY game, but he didn’t even get to finish that game because of the concussion.
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Let’s not pretend last years Cadinals team wasnt a good win, we blew out the Bears when they were playing for the playoffs, a team that wasn’t eliminated from the playoffs until the last game of the season.
Andrew Luck has been awesome at home, he has been so CLUTCH late in the Game, and Nick FOles out duels him in CRUNCH TIME in LUCKS HOUSE..
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I don’t even know why I’m getting into this. It’s supreme fanboy behavior to be down playing any NFL win. EXTREMELY HARD TO WIN IN THIS LEAGUE, rarely an easy win. Down playng wins in the NFL is just foolish
The argument also undeplays how difficult it is to beat even the ‘bad’ teams every week. One of the things I laud Kelly for is the paucity of ‘bad’ losses the team has endured. Washington and Minnesota are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.
Absolutely!!! The Rams Suck, yet they show up to fight every week. Downplaying any NFL win is foolish fanboy thinking.. No one who has ever worked in the NFL downplays wins like that…. Doesn’t matter who you play, how bad they looked last week, you can get your ass kicked Everytime you step on the field in the NFL. Down playing wins is absurd
if 85% of the league beats you consistently, what does that say about your team?
85%?
Riley Pooper dropped a perfect pass as well, Geags. Nick did what he had to do. Pooper failed miserably. Still pissed about that.
Both had very good to elite defenses.
Sae with Russell Wilson. I am a firm believer that if Foles had been on th seahawks last seaso he’d be a super bowl winning QB.
QBs dont really hit heir stride until year 5-6. Thats when they really have a good understanding of what defenses are doing. Some many QBs are ruined because they arent given time and/or stability.
This is archaic thinking. QBs either find something that works for them by year 3-4 or they turn into journeyman that end up on the Browns/Jaguars.
Sure QBs should have some success by then, but they are far from a finished product. It was pretty clear that Blaine Gabbert wasnt an NFL QB early on. foles has proven he can play in this league. Now he needs time to develope
I look at it as years 1-4 they can have success if they have a great supporting cast. After that they can truly begin ti make those around them better.l
i think his inability to run would have made a difference, i think foles’ lack of mobility would necessitate SEA having better WRs.
Foles is a better passer than Wilson. Seattle would have lost a dimension on one front, but they’d be more consistent passing the ball. They still would have had a very good chance to win it all.
C’mon man, that’s not true.
Wilson’s streakier and not as good from the pocket. Just my opinion, but that’s what I honestly believe.
Wilson’s a great example of what the added dimension of athleticism can add both to an offense and to the position of QB.
just looked at wilson’s stats he’s way better than i thought, especially this year.
Thing that impresses me most about Wilson, and what I think he’s way better than Foles at is how he avoids hits. Most great athletes playing QB, you cringe and worry about getting hurt. Wilson takes great advantage of both the sideline and the slide to avoid the worst of that. Foles, despite not being an athlete, is tough as nails and absorbs a frightening amount of hits. Biggest reason I worry about Foles longevity and ability to progress as a QB.
agree. and foles didn’t take many sacks this year. bigger they are harder they fall?
do they fire cinci head coach once he loses today
Doubt it… he has to be blackmailing the bengals owner. There is no other explanation for Marvin Lewis keeping his job this Lomb
Pics man. He’s gotta have dirty pics.
I can’t even rule that out at this point. He should have been fired years ago
Very curious about Howie’s new role. Traditionally the GM’s department handles the contracts…. But we know Howie is a whiz at the cap so it sounds like he will continue to Hamdle that side Of the operation even tho I don’t think that’s a traditional role of GP of Football operations.
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Howie also became really good at KNOWING the draft board, what round you can wait Til to draft a player we really want.
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I’m sure Howie has also built good relationships with OTHER front offices from all the years of hammering out trades. Howie has been pretty darn good at getting trades done.
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There are plenty of GM responsibilities that chip should want Howie to continue to deal with, we will really find out what Chip thought of Howie, by what work chip will delegate to Howie going forward. There is plenty that falls under a GMs responsibility that chip won’t want to deal with that Howie was good at. Hopefully there relationship hasn’t detiorated to the point where chip wont let Howie handle what he is good at…
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Also wondering how Owners meeting and all the “League Gatherings” will work? Will both Howie and chip represent the Eagles at functions like the owners meeting? Will chip take the place of Howie? Will chip not care, and rather let Howie continue to represent us at those type of events?
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Just because chip won Personel power struggle, I hope he doesn’t hate howie to the point where we wilL waste Howie’s expertise at some of the things chip won’t want to deal with,like Contracts
It could be argued that helping negotiate trades and give Chip a feel on where players are on other teams’ draft boards falls with in the “NFL strategic matters” part of Howie’s job. I
Sure hope so
Tough to stay positive about this based on what’s happened the last few days. Not trying to be a ‘Negadelphian’ but it’s tough to think that Howie and Chip will be able to work together at all after the last few days.
I have the same concerns… Hopefully, by the time free agency rolls around and all the offseason action starts, time will have passed away from each other, things will have cooled down and Chip is smart enough to not waste Howie as an asset. But I hear you man..
I think this is a situation where there may have been concerns that no one outside of Novacare knows. The media is basing it on half speculation and have inside info which very well could be from sources outside the political structure of the scouting department (and therefore have a skewed view of things).
From my experiences, whenever I see a restructuring of management, it is usually to save the face of the manager who was moved due to either internal conflicts with subordinates or an external power struggle. In either case, the move is often predicated by a failure in his management leading to the standoff. We can’t assume Howie was just protecting his territory and is now angry that he had to be re-assigned. For all we know, he was a step away from something far more significant and this was the only way to save him. Until we get more information, we don’t know what happened. Until we see who gets hired/fired we won’t know what to expect.
This is a good point about management changes. I think it’s rare that these things happen in an amicable manner.
They’re going to have to work together anyway since Roseman still controls contract negotiations. He’ll need to discuss with Kelly upper limits for what the Eagles would be willing to offer their own and outside free agents. IF they can still do that, then they should also be able to cooperate on other matters. If it had gotten that far where they couldn’t be civil and get things done jointly, then Lurie should have just fired one or the other.
Even though I’m a Howie fan, I honestly think the Eagles would have been better off to let him go under the circumstances. Easier to find a good personnel man than a great coach.
Depends on the circumstances. As I tried to point out earlier, this may not be a strictly Chip v. Howie deal. There could have been tension inside the scouting department that needed to be fixed without publicly destroying Howie and without losing his value to the team (in terms of contracts). The fact that chip was specifically more upset about the way and timing of a dismissal leads me to think this is more about management. That NO other scouts have been dismissed furthers that thought process.
It’d be impossible to wholesale gut your scouting staff at this point of the offseason. Say Patch and most of the college scouting staff are Roseman loyalists that Kelly wants to get rid of. Their contracts almost certainly run through after the draft. The contracts of scouts for other teams also run until after the draft. You can’t lose an entire fall/winter of scouting work right now. May is an entirely different story. I’d expect mass changes then.
That is a fair point, but also makes you wonder why now and why not earlier/later. There is more to this story than we are privy, and we can not absolve anyone of guilt or assume anyone is an innocent victim in this situation.
But we figured out a way to keep both. It’s not like we chose Hoiwe over chip
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If it leads to more disfunction in the front-office, I’m not certain it was the right move.
yeah maybe worse if they don’t do it? it’s interesting.
ehhhh we absolutely did. Had the owner talk about how he LOVED Howie at GM and then 2 days later Howie has nothing to do with player eval? Howie kept his job, but make no mistake Howie lost.
Sure, but if they can’t work together in a healthy manner, that might not be a good thing even if ideally you’d want to keep both individuals.
if howie can’t work with chip he’ll be fired. Contract is through 2020 but i’m sure he can be fired for cause, or have his responsibilities become even more ministerial.
Appearing on Sunday NFL Countdown, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported ex-coach Doug Marrone “stormed out of the draft room” when the Bills traded up for Sammy Watkins in May’s draft.
wonder if it was something like this in the Eagles FO.
I thought Watkins was good but not a trade up for that much good.
Sammy will be awesome… But he damn sure isn’t THAT MUCH BETTER than ODB or MIke Evans
This is exactly what I’m talking about. I think OBJ will be better.
I don’t disagree… But let’s pretend sammy ends up better, he isn’t going to be so Much better than ODB that you would trade a first round pick for..
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What the bills did is like:
Would the Giants trade ODB and a first round pick to the Bills for Sammy Watkins? Of course they wouldn’t
Of course he did… It was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You trade away next years first round pick because you just have to have Sammy Watkins so bad that you can’t bear the thought of being stuck drafting MIke Evans or ODB? Soooo stupid!
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And the year before that they draft EJ Manuel in round 1, when his own college coach said he shouldn’t be drafted before round 3
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I damn sure wouldn’t stick around waiting for those hacks to fire me.
Good for doug Marone! Smart man
I don’t blame Marrone.
So Far I watched.
Flacco vs. Big Ben
Lindley vs. sCAM Newton
Luck vs. the red flare gun
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Watching these QBs, I don’t see how anyone would feel like Nick FOles doesn’t belong,… We haven’t seen the best Nick FOles yet, and the FOles. Have seen so far cluld compete just fine with the level we are seeing on TV…
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When it’s all said and done, the “red BB gun” won’t even be in Ncks class
I have an irrational dislike for Andy Dalton. I don’t know why, I just never thought he was that good. It’s almost as bad as my dislike for Jay Cutler. It’s irrational, but QBs like these guys get to me for some reason. I feel both are overrated.
Dalton really is the definition of average. Frankly, I think he’s below average, but he benefits by playing on an extremely talented team. Cutler, I used to like. Now, body language and recklessness have hit the point where I wouldn’t touch him.
P.S. Don’t think your dislike is irrational at all.
Nothing irrational about it….. He isn’t very good.
Big Ben and Flacco at this point are clearly ahead of Foles although Foles is certainly capable of playing on Flacco’s level. I’d rate Foles and Newton about even. Newton clearly is the superior talent but is incredibly erratic on a game-to-game basis. Foles is clearly ahead of Dalton. Lindley is just a joke.
Agreed Ben and flacco had better be ahead of foles they’ve been around long enough
RIGH!
Where the hell did the Bengals pass rush go? Did they miss the plane or something
Where’s Geno Atkins and his 50millipn dollar bank account?
Dunlap?
Margus Hunt?
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Bengals cant win this game if the Colts OL can hand.e the Bengals Defensive front with this type of ease
Didn’t the Bengals lose their MLB for the game?
Who Vontaze? Still the MLB isn’t the first or second pass rushing option..
Rey Maulauga got injured early in the game.
Oh… This is his last game as a Bengal anyway. They will want to replace him they will steal either Benardrick! McKinney. Erik Kendrick, or shaq
Atkins has had a couple of injuries the past 2 years that may have taken away some of his athletic ability.
Yup. He was probably the best 4-3 DT before last year.
SMH all the fools who ran their mouth last year about my Dude, DONTE MonCreif!!! You chumps know who you are… lol I reason to say the usual suspects names hahahahahananaha
I know Josh Huff has potential and maybe he breaks out, but right now picking Huff ahead of Montcrief and Martevis Bryant looks incredibly stupid.
Moncrief is still garbage. Bryant looks legit.
He almost dropped that one because he insists on body-catching. Always has, always will.
I would have NEVER DARED pick Huff over those two. I had a 4th n 5th round grade on Huff… Tho I do think he is better than my pre draft evaluation. BUT I will never be ok with huff over Moncreif or Martevis
That was a sick throw by luck
There’s the talent that you just can’t teach. I still think he’s a bit overrated/overhyped, but his talent is top 5 in the league.
He definitely is over hyped… He projects to grow into an amazing QB, people just falsely pretend he has already reached that stage, when he hasn’t..
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He hasn’t playd to the 27-2 level of Foles yet… A Large portion of Lucks games are ugly wins like this season, where luck has a mistake filled begginning, creates a little mess, and spends the second half overcoming the mess he got his team into.
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Eagle fans don’t watch all his games, but often, he shows the same struggles that we saw from FOles in some of these games.. Luck just has another tier of talent which is why he is able to have similar success to FOles with less talemt around him…. but I think FOles is much closer to Luck and Wilson, than he is to KAp, RG3 and the over rated QBs that can’t throw accurate or read defense.
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I expect FOles to have a big year 4 and am even bigger YEAR 5.. Only young QBs I can rationally put ahead of Nick are wilson and Luck
luck is mobile, great at throwing on the run, great at taking contact, stands in the pocket and hasn’t missed a game.
he is also playing without a running game and has almost 400yds passing on the bengals who just shut down peyton 2 weeks ago.
Luck is also streaky. His career completion % is just over 60% which in today’s nfl is average. He also threw 16 picks this year which is unacceptable. I’d love to have the kid, but people gush over him as if he’s already an all-timer.
4,700yds, 40(!) TDs. After Bradshaw got hurt no running game. Remember what Foles looks like when McCoy has under 100yds a game.
I think if you put luck on this team we’re contenders.
Average Nick Foles stats for all of the games he’s played under Kelly and project it over a 16 game season:
4,492yds, 36tds, and 11ints. Pretty comparable.
Again, not denying how extremely talented Luck is, just tired of hearing him compared to the all timers.
very interesting. hopefully we see that nick foles next year.
Only if he can:
a – Stay healthy
b – Stop drifting back and throwing off his back foot
Yards rushing? Plays extended?
Again, Luck’s more talented, but thus far in both of their short careers, he hasn’t been that much more productive than Nick. Many (thankfully not all) Philly fans want Nick run out on a rail while some (again thankfully not all) are ready to put Luck in the HOF. It’s nuts.
but he’s been durable. and has won a playoff game each of the last two years.
When healthy, FOles has been known to maneuver well In the pocket. We initially liked FOles because he would roll out, run away from pressure and keep his eyes down field…. That’s what initially impressed our city about young Nick.
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By his 5th year, I espect Nocl to be a big strong kid,that can chuck it down field, running to buy time similar to Rothloberger
I know it’s only been 4 days, but does anyone else find it interesting that neither the Bears or Jets or anyone else has been reported to be interested in Gamble?
not a great look getting fired from a team that isn’t performing well in the department that you’ve been running
poor marcus smith, sounds like he’s the child of parents who didn’t want him.
Are you talking about that article on BGN?
what article? if chip wanted other players in the first — probably means smith wasn’t the guy that we wanted, just got bc they had a pick and didn’t know what else to do since howie sort of fucked up the draft board.
if that’s the case it could explain the ILB / OLB and seemingly disdain for MSII.
There was an article on BGN saying Chip wanted Matthews in the 1st. And the fallout from picking MS2. Lots of rumors, but I don’t take much stock in it unless something happens to verify it.
Doesn’t mean Howie(or anyone else) fucked up the draft board. It could just as easily mean that the coaching staff doesn’t know how to develop players.
I assume you’re not referring to Marcus Smith I…
I realize all this organizational upheaval makes for a somber time, but I’m a little disappointed the title here didn’t lead to a Manchurian Candidate joke. Or even a Trung Candidate joke.
Article clearly sums up my concerns over putting Kelly completely in charge:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/1/4/7489891/chip-kelly-draft-jordan-matthews-nfl-draft-2014
I think Kelly understands his limitations. The person he’s hiring should be able to tell him these things, or maybe Roseman will keep that role even though he’s not doing personnel.
Or for whatever reason, he doesn’t want to hear it from Roseman. Or maybe something about Roseman super-irks Kelly and he doesn’t want him around. Some powerful execs are like that. Some of the stories out of Yahoo paint Marissa Mayer in this way. She’ll say, I don’t want to talk to this person, and later they’ll be fired.
Unless Kelly or Roseman comes out and says stuff directly, we’ll never know. We can only go by reporting, sources, and the little snippets they give us now.
I don’t like to rip other sites articles here, but there are several holes in the argument and it is made without basis or factual evidence in most cases (and don’t give me hindsight BS for calling someone a reach, if they perform up to the value at a pick, they aren’t a reach. JMatt performed worthy of a first round pick. Had he been picked in the first no one would be complaining since no one would know he would have been available later).
Further more, based on his history, I expect Chip to have an advisor for the draft that does know when players should be available. Like he has had advisors with 1) challenges 2) pro-passing game 3) strength 4) nutrition etc. One area I am not worried about is Kelly’s willingness to take advice. That is one of his strengths.
that is very true you could be right.
I’m Jeffry Lurie, My dog Fletcher Cox Jr is Chip Kelly, and My dog Cedrick Thornton is Howie Roseman
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Fletcher and Cedrick(chip and Howie) were fighting over this Big chicken flavored Bone….fighting all over my house, making a big mess of everything..
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Fletcher(chip) Won and came away with the Big Chicken flavored Bone
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Instead of Howie losing and not getting a Bone, I (Jeffrey Lurie) decide to give Cedrick(Howie) a Big Beef Flavored Bone.
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Chip clearly won……… Howie didn’t Lose,, he just ended up winning something that he wasn’t initially fighting for..
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In the end I, Jeffrey Lurie made sure that Fletcher(chip) came away with a big Chicken Bone, and Cedrick (Howie) came away with a Big Beef Bone, amd once again, peace was restored in my home.
You shouldn’t let dogs eat chicken bones. They can get caught in their throats.
Chicken flavored Bone
“In the end I, Jeffrey Lurie made sure that Fletcher(chip) came away with a big Chicken Bone”
You sure about that?
I meant the flavored… I never heard of a dog owner thinking they could give their dogs real chicken bones
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/33/e9/0b/33e90be4c2f959ee21dee318ffebb3ef.jpg
Yep, give them a ham bone.
I know…. I was talking about the CHICKEN FLAVORED BIG BONES that they make. You know, the fake bones they make for dogs in different flavors: regular white rawhide bones, chicken flavored, beef flavored……
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I can’t give my dogs ANY REAL bones, they literally will eat the entire bone. Break it into pieces and swallow them.. So I can’t even give them a big bone from like a rack of ribs…
Just be sure they’re not manufactured in China. For real: Dog treats and food manufactured in China are not safe and have been linked to thousands of pet deaths. Take an extra minute whilst shopping for your canine friends to inspect the packaging.
Don’t forget the baby food. And toys, And balloons. And onesies. And leashes…..
Just a joke. Although I’m not sure I’m on board with your analogy. I’d bet Howie still feels like he lost that face off. His financial consolation prize was just an attempt to keep him in the fold
Good analogy. Problem is, Howie and Chip are sled dogs. The have to pull together or despite both of them being very good separately, they’ll do nothing but snarl at each other.
Not if Lurie is no putting them on seperate sleds
There’s only one team and ultimately, only one sled.
No… There are plenty of departments Howie can oversea that have NOTHIING to do with chip Kelly. Departments that chip probably doesn’t even know the names of the people working in them
He’s still in charge of the cap and contract negotiations. That definitely overlaps with talent evaluation.
Agreed, Greg. Also, the only sled Howie’s interested in pulling is the same one Chip’s attached to.
I don’t know that that’s the case. Several of the other personnel execs are on record of saying that Howie is very receptive to the input of others. It seems to me that Chip is the person in this instance who didn’t want to share his toys.
Truth. Chip’s also one of the most egalitarian head coaches I’ve ever read about. His willingness to let his position coaches and coordinators have fairly free reign is very unusual. I’m actually a bit baffled that Howie and Chip haven’t been able to work together.
You ever have someone that other people get along with perfectly fine, but literally just the sound of their voice grates on your nerves for some reason? I think Howie was that person for Chip.
I assume a man who dedicated his entire life to football, MARRIED to the pigskin wasn’t going to be contradicted by a pencil pushing “cap guy”…. Just my impression… Problem is that was one powerful cap guy. Who politically has ascended the ranks, out living many of his superiors, and “the cap guy” Wasnt going down without a fight….Howie went Rogue, and fired chips right hand man…… When chip was going to quit over breach of contract, and Howie calmed down. He realized that winning power but forcing chip kelly out of Phily will be a stain that would ruin the Personel exec resume he worked for….. Lurie knew he couldn’t lose chip At this point. But he didn’t want to lose Howie. Howie only real option was to leave the Eagles and pursue his Personel career elsewhere, where he wouldn’t be known as the man who chased chip Kelly away after two 10-6 seasons, but Lurie showed how much he valued him, bailed him out in a big way, promoted Howie enough to let him save face, and make it worth his while to chamge his career path, steering it away from Personel.
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I haven’t seen a theory that makes more sense
A lot of assumptions there. Kelly can’t quit over “breach of contract” unless his contract specifically states that he has the right to control the hiring and firing of personnel executives. Unless you’ve seen Kelly’s contract, this is too big of an assumption to make IMO.
ITS a THEORY…that’s all we have right now is theories… And I haven’t seen one that makes more sense, but I’m open to hearing alternative ones. Be my buest
Also, way down below, I responded to another person who pointed out that Howie was trained by Banner. Banner was the king of get rid of the aging overpaid veterans. Kelly clearly likes several players who qualify. If Howie’s in charge of salary cap and negotiations, who makes the determination whether these guys should be cut? Does Howie still have a say? If he doesn’t, he hasn’t been gutted of most of his responsibilities, he virtually has none.
Good theory, but makes a ton of assumptions.
a – As Greg pointed out, Chip’s contract.
b – Howie ‘went rogue.’ While it’s a reasonable theory, you have no proof.
c – Howie changing his mind. Evidence seems to support Lurie had to pay him extra to get him to stay for less responsibility. That’s not the actions of a person who decided to step back for the best of the team.
Howie’s Personel career is OVER! Lurie made him an offer that was good enough to get Howie to accept a change in career path…… Mark my words, Howie will never work in. Personel department again..but watch him ascend to higher tax brackets…. Lurie must have made him a really nice offer to get Howie to change his career course,,.in the grand scheme of things, Howie may end up the winner in all of this depending on how high Howie ascends and what other deals Lurie eventually lets Howie get involved in…
If you control the cap and contract negotiations, by definition you’re still involved with personnel. You may not be doing the talent evaluation and someone else(Chip) may be giving you guidelines on how important a signing is comparison to other players and the limit to how much money you’re willing to pay a player. Regardless, there will be times where Chip and Roseman will have to work together.
We will see who does what, what roles will be.. There is a chance we never even see Howie again, and he is behind the scenes elsewhere…chip is in charge of Personel. If Howie does the contracts, he will explain to chip the ramifications of what chip is asking for, and chip will decide what he wants Howie to do,.. I don’t be.ieve that Howie would purposely sabatage Lurie and the Eagles to spite chip,
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If they have to work together, it’s 100% clear who carries the big stick… For the first time I can remember, it’s NEVER BEEN SO CRYSTALclear who will make and be responsible for every single Personel decision.. HINT: it’s NOT HOWIE!
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A lot of this I don’t like, but I will definitely enjoy the clarity, for once KNOWING who is responsible for the roster decisions.
I agree with this.
It’s clear who carries the biggest stick. Jeff Lurie. And so he should.
Did you know that sled dogs have to be staked out, on rest stops, far enough apart so that they don’t fight? Also, they often poop immediately after getting the sled moving? ;~). The second item has nothing to do with anything, just an amusing fact.
To everyone pointing at wanting to draft the most productive player in the eagles draft earlier than what actually happened as a bad thing, keep in mind that:
1) the point of the draft isn’t to outsmart other teams but to acquire talent that will help your team regardless of others perceptions
2) With a successful player, you can’t point to actual draft places as proof that drafting earlier would have been a reach without contending that the same player was a steal and they were lucky to have him available because he should have been picked earlier and other talent evaluators got it wrong.
if we had a better first round pick i think howie would be vindicated.
that is a fair argument, but had JMatt been picked in the first we would have. It becomes a circular argument.
Smith’s still talented and could turn out to be a hell of a player. I’m disturbed by his tendency to get knocked off his feet, but the athleticism is exceptional. I’d rather have both, and I don’t think you’d have both if we had taken JMatt 1st.
agree 100%. have think of smith as gravy
Now that is a reasonable rational argument.
*Edit: in the sense that is validates the draft order
I thought the point of the draft is to look back seven months later and blame people for making bad choices?
____ the Giants and their drafting.
Here’s a crazy scenario. We have cap room. Not a ton, around $19M once adjustments are taken into account, but we could easily make some other moves to get significantly more cap room. Jay Cutler is just about done in Chicago but he has guaranteed money and it’s been speculated that the Bears may have to give up picks to get rid of him. So could the Eagles trade Foles for picks, take on Cutler’s contract for say swapping picks 7 and 20(approximately, we may have to give CHI other picks) and still be in position to move up for Mariota who would be on a rookie contract until Cutler’s big deal ran out?
Not saying I would do this, just throwing it out there.
I want no part of Cutler o matter the cost
i think they are thinking a mid to late round pick not swapping firsts. Plus Bears need a QB. I think they are going to try to find a coach that can work with cutler.
Body language is awful.
Gambler tendencies would make Chip nuts.
In other words, HELL NO.
Cutler is terrible. Don’t think he is an NFL Qb.
better than sanchez at least. id bring him on for the right price but since only 2 1/2 people can play qb in the nfl he will start somewhere and get paid again.
Because it has to be said –
GO LIONS!
“Marynowitz understands how to identify talent and build a roster.”
From the Bama Website:
“Ed Marynowitz joined the Alabama staff in December of 2008 as the
Director of Player Personnel. He joined the Crimson Tide after one
season as a scouting assistant for the Miami Dolphins. Marynowitz directs Alabama football’s recruiting efforts. In addition to those duties, he assists with camps, clinics and other football-related events. Marynowitz also serves as the liaison between Alabama and the NFL scouts and assists with the day to day administration and operation of the football program.”
I’ll be he was a glorified administrative assistant there, putting lists together, scheduling visits, etc. You really think Saban is going to entrust the nuts and bolts of recruiting to some inexperienced kid?
I see no evidence that the Bama Water Boy has any NFL college scouting experience, I’m sure the scouts will love reporting to him, nor does he have any real experience evaluating NFL players. He’ll be a yes man because he doesn’t have the options to cross his boss, nor the experience to give him opinions gravitus.
God help the Eagles if this is Chip’s choice.
Funny how your depiction of him (having never interacted with him) is completely contrary to those who have worked with him.
Gamble was a great football man, until he was fired.
Not saying the kid isn’t worth developing, but running the personnel department?
It’s not like he’s spent a few years scouting out in the field, or developed any real experience.
If they can’t do better, it’s not good.
We don’t know what the division of responsibilities is on the day to day functioning of the scouting department. We don’t know what led to Gamble’s firing or Howie being moved. And management requires different responsibilities than other positions on the staff.
Making statements in any way as to how someone would perform or has performed without knowing what their current responsibilities or track record and what the change in responsibilities would be is pretty unfair.
I know the media is talking him up as a candidate and I expect he does get a promotion, but I think someone else will be brought in above him.
ceo of burger king is 30
34
Conveniently forgot the rest of his resume.
from BGN: “Marynowitz has been with the team since 2012. He joined the Eagles after serving as the University of Alabama’s director of player personnel, which involved managing the team’s recruiting process. He worked at Alabama for four seasons [2008-11]. Prior to his role at the college powerhouse, he was a scouting assistant for the Dolphins under Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland during the 2007 season.
Marynowitz is seen as a rising star in the organization, as he is still relatively young (30). He graduated with a bachelor’s degree from the University of Central Florida in 2006. Marynowitz played quarterback for the Knights after transferring from La Salle University in his junior season. He is from Media, PA.”
Highly doubtful he was a waterboy for 4 years. He has already been in the Eagles personnel department for 3 years. Get real.
I wonder if there is another team playing in the dallas game. From the pregame coverage it looks dallas is the only team taking the field.
lol. Typical national media.
Can we please have a ‘Let’s go frigging Lions’ thread?!
Greg already started one 😀
Yes saw that. Igglesblitz should have one though. 😉
yes tommy, crawl out of that mountain of pbr cans and start that effer up!
ill make a google doc and everyone can submit their comments in long form
My comments are always in long form.
yeah, you and GEAGLE both.
Tend to be guilty of that as well.
it’s never dull being an eagles fan. mad movement in the front office all last week and now dallas is playing a playoff game. WHO’S READY TO MAD HATE ON THE COWGIRLS!?
I’m watching the game here
I’m not very optimistic for the Lions winning, esp with Suh out.
suh isn’t out.
Welcome to 2015. Lol
oh suspension revoked?
yeah man, only a 70k fine
He’s not out. His suspension got rescinded on appeal. He got a $70K fine instead which actually is a lot more than he would have lost if suspended because players get paid peanuts for postseason games.
Sweet I feel better!
They’ll still lose, but fighting chance now
did you see that shot of the dallas fans running into the stadium when they opened the gates. act like you’ve been there ladies, it’s not like you’ve won 5 superbowls.
Shut the !@#$ up. I have to hear that !@#$ enough from my Cowgirl loving cousins.
sorry man, just as tired of it as you are. was trying to point out idiot dallas fans being idiots and not acting like they’ve been there before. especially for a wildcard game.
well, the yankees did have an off year and the lakers aren’t doing so hot…
dude thank god, i hate those fuckers too.
Well, there was a joke on some Cryboys blog: Q. What do you call a Cowboy with a Super Bowl ring? A: Old.
your counter to the whole 5 rings thing is pointing out they haven’t done shit in the salary cap era
Do I have to point out the obvious counter from a Dallas fan?
i could care less what those cocksuckers have to say
Man this Stuart Scott stuff is making me sad
Beautiful hit. Wish he’d have lost the ball.
huge hit by mathis
three and out
amazing he hung on.
wow golden tate — fair catch?
that was not smart
that is the definition of the lions
did they grease the ball with butter before the game?
two team that haven’t been here before.
stafford 0-17 against good teams on the road
lol, and we complain about Kelly and Nick.
FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING, TOUCHDOWN DE-TRIOT!
they call it a “wefence” in dallas
“We-fense” Barf.
hahahahah we-fense.
WOOT!!!
beautiful
that was definitely a wee-fense.
i see what you did there
Oh yeah. Cowboys D sucking already.
you could transpose “D” and “sucking” in that sentence.
Lions got away with a hold, but I’ll take it!
Holy shit I forgot Reggie Bush still plays
Hahaaaa glorious. Great way to start the game. Hope they cream Dez Bryant again.
Dez hearing footsteps would be AWESOME.
I’m pretty sure he already hears voices…
Golden Tate leading the league in YAC, price? $6m a year.
Anyone else think he would’ve been better than Riley?
Keep in mind he plays opposite Megatron… if there was ever a WR that opens things up for everyone else he would be it.
very true, everything is situational. eli doesn’t win to SBs with out an elite defensive line
gotta say who ever is doing scouting for the lions is doing a hell of a job.
That was OPI. Wasn’t blatant enough, I guess 😛
The refs have completely walked back the early season emphasis on contact. It’s just the same as it always was by now.
Not denying that, but the arm was completely extended. That’s about as obvious as you get.
why do i have the feeling GEAGLE is sitting by himself at the Linc contemplating his life
Should have taken Sway over Ertz!
never!
Romo getting crushed already, this is beautiful.
Romo’s gonna romo
Loving how things are going early. Romo keeps getting hit and he he’ll turn into the turnover machine we all know and love.
Ziggy getting it done
Lucky MFers.
That would have been hilarous if that guy on the goalline picked up the ball after all that.
A la Roc Carmichael?
http://www.gifdsports.com/2014/01/roc-carmichael-kicks-ball-into-endzone.html
Luckiest shit ever for the Cowboys there. Hope the Lions move the shit out of the ball now.
not exactly a costly penalty
insult to insult
Never seen such a lucky bounce. Ffs
yeah that’s complete bullshit, you could do that a billion times and not get it any closer than that.
howie long had a really good point; if the lions run defense is truly an elite unit, the lions win this game.
Murray’s gone nowhere so far, plus it looks like his hand is hurting. Cowboys O tough sledding so far.
Still early doors. But I like it!
They’ve been awesome most of this season. Dallas is a big challenge, but they can be shut down. We did it both times vs. Murray.
and i don’t like terry bradshaw at all but he went hard to the basket with his “they died with their boots on” analogy. i really enjoyed that.
Nice, moved it off the goal line, now dial up the slant to megatron…
Bahhhhh come on what the hell was that. Just lay it out for him don’t rifle it in there.
riley reid? isn’t that a porn star?
FIRST DOWN!
HAHA COWBOYS FUCKED IT UP!!
Roughing please!!
Bahh!!! Should have been roughing, but it’s still a 1st down.
that’s 15 baby!
ok, only 5, but first down nonetheless!
That should give the Lions a 1st down.
Karma for that lucky ass bounce on the punt. Also, Reggie Bush sucks.
C’mon Tate what the fuck, put your head down and get 4-5… Jesus.
Detroit is being too conservative here.
Wow, Tate can run in circles faster than anyone on our team.
So can Stafford.
I haven’t seen the likes of it since Ryan Moats.
heh
wow
Wow. Stafford not exactly known for being nimble. Nice play.
lol, Matthew Stafford runs someone over lol.
holy shit when did stafford become mike vick!?
now they’re rolling
They didn’t suspend Megatron for Suh’s “stomp” did they?
off topic; but do you guys remember that hit sheldon brown put on reggie bush in that divisional playoff game? best hit i ever saw live.
😀 Thanks for the memories!!!
Most impressive thing was that Bush bounced right up.
he did, but then he went right on all fours again and the refs had to call an injury TO
Not exactly, he tried to get up and went down again… but he did come back pretty quick so props to him for toughness because that was a murderous hit.
How could anyone forget? It’s a miracle Bush was able to keep playing.
I think everyone except Reggie Bush remembers it…
“Like running through a cardboard box.”
It’s right there with Dawkins destroying Vick at the goal line in the playoffs vs. Atlanta for me.
or dawk’s hit on alge crumpler in the nfccg
Good memories.
or mike patterson’s hit on vick in the nfccg
I wish Jerry Jones would kidnap Liam Neeson’s daughter.
I hope not because then they would make a Taken 4, and the world does not need that.
On second thought, that might mean that the Cowgirls would get a competent owner, so no.
this is the logical response.
that comment made me laugh so fucking hard
Joiquing and Jiving
Eagles never should have let him go.
that’s just silly, +1
joique bell may kill the cowboys today
Haha I love that Joique Bell of all people is the one destroying the Cowboys dreams right now lol.
he looks like a rich man’s eddie lacy right now
Cowboys lack of talent on D finally coming home to roost. Love this.
Yesssssss
Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha.
14-0!
Okay, 13-0, pending XP!
golden tate can block too? reggie bush looks good.
this makes me more pissed about cooper.
Well, sure, but can Golden Tate build a barrel?
Okay, but can Cooper Talk About The Eagles?
And he cost about the same as Riley . . . . just sayin
that’s what i’m saying. rumored that he fucked rw’s wife…
I think that was all a misunderstanding.
“No, I said time for a shower, Golden!”
But can he drop a perfectly thrown ball in the end zone to lose a game?
no he’d have pushed off and made a circus catch.
you can give reggie bush all the shit in the world but he can still juke with the best of them.
and doesn’t cost you 11 million to do it. they also have theo riddick behind him which is crazy.
think we need that type of 1-2 punch if philly.
hey man let’s at least get the new GM before we worry about that shit!
Cmon man, Shady is way better than Reggie…
no argument there. but they are the same type of runner.
this is true, but the running back position is the most fungible position in the league.
Yeah, I do wonder if Shady is going to be back at that price tag. I honestly wonder if this year had we gone Sproles/Polk instead of Sproles/Shady if we would have been better off.
no polk would have gotten shut down with more reps.
it really is one of those dirty little secrets with the eagles salary cap
He held the ball out of bounds. Let’s hope Garret challenges this! Lol
Next year, the Eagles should volunteer to let Dallas play at “home” both of the games against them.
I’m almost more fired up than watching the Eagles.
Seriously, I can’t remember ever cheering so hard for a team that wasn’t the Eagles. Lions better beat that Cowboy ass.
my hate level goes through the roof when i watch these fuckers.
Time to stomp Romo
I’m smelling a Tony Rumble fumble coming up here.
WOOOOOOOOOW
Prophet
wow!
too bad the Lions didn’t smell it
I didn’t predict a Lions recovery.
your words to god’s ears!
Great call! Pity it didn’t turn into a turnover – be more specific next time!
hey let’s give this man some upvotes for that shit
GET HTAT!!!
i want to see photos of jerry jones.
I want to see photos of the girls jerry jones hangs out with.
Daryl Tapp remembers the Cowboys hate.
how did he do that
mobiilty, foles never moving like that.
Gahhh come on.
Noooooooo
and now more lucky bullshit by dallas
So lucky!!! Back to back luck. Unfeiggingbeleiebale
nah lions need another score to put the game out of reach i think, lions D is too good.
This should have been lions ball!
Good news is Dallas really isn’t built to come back this year. Need a stop, Lions!
“back luck” sounds strange re: Romo…
Dallas OL is not a very good pass blocking Line… And they haven’t been all season no matter what the silly “experts said”.. I’ll be surprised if the Lions fronf 4 lets Romo finish this game..
hey, look at that commercial, larry fitzgerald finally has a good qb throwing to him
I want the Lions to turn up the intensity… get that ball next time.
I’m sorta glad to not be drinking in January. My wife would kick me outta the house if I’d be screaming even louder.
I don’t know what the dead money would look like but I assume Reggie Bush is getting waived… He hasn’t been worth the money in some time
yes i think riddick will take his job. bush can still play his cap hit is only 4.5 million and he restructured this year.
I dunno why they would keep him as a 3rd back…
YESSS KILL ROMO!!!
Dallas’ line getting overwhelmed. Love it!!
How the hell does romo get out of those? (almost that time)
the d is showing up so far
Knock him out of the game! Send him in for back surgery!
tried to sell that as a completion. hah
Baaahhahahaha Cowboys bloooowwwwww. How did we lose to these clowns.
Must have been Gamble’s fault.
glad we took care of that…
I’m willing to roll with that assumption.
Dez is frustrated!!!
Dez is a douche.
Hopefully he gets frustrated enough to want to play somewhere else next year.
just not here. no thanks.
I’d take him in a heartbeat.
Yeah… and ODB should try and force his way out of the division too. >.> <.<
He’s getting tagged nothing he could do about it lol
the lions have done a good job of limiting his opportunities in the open field
Is a 89 yard TD catch from Calvin Johnson too much to ask for?
in the grand scheme of things, hell no.
Best offensive line in the NFL bwahahahahahahaha what a joke!
1 great player, two good young players, and two PIGEONS can’t POSSIBLY be the best OL in football. 2/5th of your line is a Fughaze… Very good run blocking OL, average pass blocking OL that will get Romo killed in the playoffs…
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Seems like the game is sticking to the script!!! Let’s go LIONS!! Do the lions have a cool fight song? Lol
well look finally showed the fuck up
Yes, the fight song goes: RIP THE COWBOYS OFF THEIR HORSES AND TEAR THEIR FUCKING THROATS OUT… THE END.
I’ll sing to that
lions, lions
a new head coach they need to hire
they do actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD_ONG3xXSM
here’s one with the words, also that little lion jumping on all the words is cracking me up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKNqt4u5EQ
Picking them apart.
Oh my god the Cowboys secondary sucks more than ours.
Cowboys dominating time of possession is the only reason there stats have been better than philly’s.
Golden Tate is treating the Dallas D like it’s Russell Wilson’s wife!
Extra points for difficulty on that one haha.
Ouhhhhhhh!! There goes that andrew dice clay voice again
too soon
Funny, that’s what his wife said.
Did you guys know that Garrett, Marinelli, and Linehan are all coaching free agents after their final game?
Please let them bring back Garrett and Linehan. Marinelli can retire.
I would like to see Jerrah give the jobs to his kids and their friends, so Jerrah can more direct involvement.
That would be such a Jerry move to get rid of Marinelli after he got such a good performance out of the scrubs they have on defense.
Alright good enough, flipped field position.
Cowboys D finally giving some effort.
If that was B Fletcher it would have been a TD for the Lions.
Stafford forget megatron plays for the lion? Its all tate
Can’t say without seeing more but looks like Johnson drawing a lot of coverage.
That’s always the case though
I believe you mean “coverage”
tate had 99 catches for 1330yds.
bc the opposing d puts all the attention on johnson
johnson was hurt most of the year — believe he me was screwing me in fantasy all year.
Is that from the first quarter?
Dwayne Harris got confused and caught the punt instead of cheap-shotting the gunner…
I don’t know what’s more sickening… The fact that garbage sCAM Newton won a playoff game,or that we lost to that bum RGknee? Fullest would NEVER ALLOW THS INSANITY…..Foles NEVER lost two games in a row with Chip. Never lost a division game
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Fuckin sanchez
you are full fanboy status.
fuck mark sanchez!!!
9 beers in already? that’s usually what it takes for me to start saying that without being provoked
those games weren’t sanchize’s fault.
you forgot “all”
They were at least part his fault.
checking mcclain for injury, looks like they’re diagnosing it as a suspicious house fire.
Let’s see if it works again….
I smell a pick six coming up for Tony Romo.
Goal is to hold Dallas to a FG on this drive !
Time to slam Romo on his ass
Like that?
Nailed it
you guys are straight up miss cleo-ing this shit. can i call you later for my psychic reading?
Fuck Nate Allen!!!
12 and a half beers and shot of three fingers tequila?
That’s the spirit!!!!
Eagles should have signed Ihedigbo this offseason. They reportedly had interest, even after signing Jenkins and re-signing Allen.
He’s an in the box safety. That is not what Kelly wants
boom!
wow, why don’t our blitzes look like that?
Lions blitzes have been awesome so far.
Better question, why can’t we do that on 3rd down?
Love watching rIOmo pick himself up, shake it off after getting his world rocked… It’s up their with eli face
Thank god.
AIKMAN: INITIATE ROMO BACK EXCUSES!!!
“he got hit” ball was already away from his fingertips lol..
now the lions finally catch a break
Fuck BRADLEY FLETCHER!!!
Random, yet somehow totally appropriate.
That’s the spirit!!! Is C Williams next on that list? 😉
Nah, Philly is going to learn to love Cary Williams.
Shame Cary will never love Philly though.
True, but he does love Cary Williams.
ans sconces.
dude now we’re in alcohol poisoning territory.
i’d be ok with detroit winning this year.
Detroit could use something nice, considering the last… 30 years
What about us lol
Well we could use a championship too, but we’ve come nowhere near the futility that Detroit has gone through.
and the bankruptcy, city, etc
yeah, those fans have been through a lot, they’ve seen some shit.
Fuck Riley Cooper!
I am jealous. Dryathlon is no such fun.
I’m actually suffering from Pot delirium!
..
Watching Cowboys and Cam newton in the playoffs is so horrible that it’s has made a fully Baked pothead feel like am angry drunk
.,
I can’t stomach this
Fuck Brad Goebel!
What the hell, Detroit.
Jesus, Lions are going full 3 stooges here to end the half. Get it together guys.
Yep, cue the Lions self destructing.
BUCK: INTRODUCE DOUBT INTO REFEREE IMPARTIALITY BY SELECTIVELY QUESTIONING NON-CALLS AGAINST DALLAS!!!
This should set up the second half storyline of the Dallas players pressing too hard, trying to overcome the ill-gotten deficit.
dehydration for mcclain…for being to close too a house fire?
Can’t do enough of these, my friend.
God, Aikman repeats the same phrases over and over… its almost like you could design an Aikman robot with some buttons to press for the phrase you like and it would be the same.
I’ve given up, I watch Dallas games on mute.
Only way I’ll feel any better is if I get to watch the Cowboys get shut out.
Any loss is acceptable for me. A shut out would be a cherry on a sundae.
And on a Sunday, no less.
I want jerry on camera!!! That weasle had so much practice, that he is getting good at dissapearing whenever they are about to get embarressed
4th quarter
Or
If Dallas scores before halftime
Noooooooooooooooo
Shut out doesn’t matter, I just want it to be embarrassing in some way. A late Romo pick to lose the game, a completely lopsided score, Dez Bryant snapping and slashing someones throat with scissors in the grand Cowboys wideout tradition…
Oh, you mean a normal Cowboy loss?
And if Suh stomps Romo
Ohhh your talking borderline erotic pleasure right there
Des Bryant dominating.
Two screens in a row from the goal-line, with 13 yes to a first down = ambitious
Paging Megatron. You’re cleared to roll the hell out after this half.
Baloophi …
You’ve been A very welcomed presence the last two days here
Yea no hurry dallas.
Detroit pass rush needs to bust through again. Want to see Romo hit the deck one more time before the half.
“Find your fit it” is the best commercial. It has comp.etely brainwashed me
Lions Blitzes have worked so well today… Amazingly well really.
Cowboy’s have always been vulnerable to the blitz. Some teams take better advantage of it than others. Lions are, we did, Washington usually does.
Romo’s arm looking like a limp noodle
Romo does look off. Even when not a lot of pressure, he’s short-arming it. Putting too much loft on balls that should be rifled in.
PICK?
O PI
YESSS hahahahahaa
Obvious pick, wtf aikman?
That was a clear pick, come on guys.
ah shit
Damn. Lions screwing the pooch the last 5 minutes of this half.
Fuck dallas.
wow, massive choke
~!$@# cue the shot of Jerry.
…….
But, but, but…Troy didn’t think the Cowboy did anything wrong?!
Sick
Looks like the “loan Bradley Fletcher to Detroit” plan has backfired…
For fucks sake.
Fletcher’d it
Yes but can he block?
When did we trade Bradley Fletcher to the Lions?
Can we get the ball to Megatron? Forget THAT fake knock off steve smith wanna be Golden shower, tater tot, whatever his name is and force feed MEGATRON!! It’s time!!!
MGATRON!!! MEGATRON!!! MEGATRON!!! Dallas sexondary blows
I love the prevent with way too much time on the clock. lol.
That was a smart call by the Lions. Give up the huge, 75-yard touchdown so that you have a shot at maybe coming away with a field goal.
Is Eric Ebron the biggest bust since ryan Leaf if Marcus smith is a bust?
But Ebron has been getting involved somewhat plus he has been surprisingly good blocking
review that shit.
That looked like a crummy spot.
That was a crummy spot.
That is clearly a 1st down. Crooked refs trying to give game to Cowboys.
That’s clearly ahead of the first down marker come on.
Golden shower got the first
Yeah clear as day, thank you officials.
NICE
Thnk you
Wow. They actually got it right on replay. Now, take a deep shot.
Since this is practically an Eaglea game, Do we get a second half thread?
This is gonna be way past 1000 comments if we don’t get one haha.
Reggie bush makes like $300k per reception
So does Jerry’s girlfriend. zing
1000
comments
here
we
come!
Not sure what stafford saw
I heart Andrew Luck.
jack off on your own time. 😛
Come on Stafford!
Ok that works… getting 3 after that disastrous long TD helps. 17-7 at the half still pleasing.
Prater will miss it.
Jesus Greg…
He almost did.
Yeah, barely made it
not today greg richards!
That was ALMOST a disaster. If you’re gonna be our prophet, Greg, stop predicting good @!#$ for the Cowgirls.
I’m not a prophet. The pressure was getting to Romo and you could feel something bad about to happen. Prater sucks out of Denver’s thin air.
Don’t confuse me with logic when I’m fanboying.
The difference SHOULD be obvious 😛
Lions ball after halftime right?
Yessir
kudos on fox for the extended goal post graphic, the “adam carola” view
gotta start making some dinner
That bad snap on the kick looked familiar….
If Detroit comes out with a TD on this first drive of the second half, the Cowboys are really gonna be feeling the heat… need to ratchet up the pressure, that’s when Romo starts Romoing.
Not exactly a glowing report on Chip’s drafting here:
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/01/04/report-chip-wanted-matthews-first-round/
we had that discussion like 500 comments ago.
Oh… Well damnit Tommy update your threads lol.
This was posted hours ago. Let’s forget the front office BS to concentrate on cheering for the destruction of the Cowgirls.
Sorry, I can’t listen to the halftime show, amused myself looking at the news.
yeah, just reaffirms my concerns about kelly and his draft process
Goddamn it, Lions. The Lions’ LT blows.
Well that’s disastrous.
Wow, nice recovery D.
Ansah is the guy i wanted over Lane Johnson… time will tell on that one.
He’s developing nicely, but can he play LB?
I was a star guy
Good stand, Lions’ D.
HAHAHAAH YES!!!!!!
Bwah hah hah!!!!!!
NOONAN!
Look familiar
Commentator jinxed his own kicker!
classic announcer jinx
Did that just happen?
He got the kabosh.
Cowboys, team of destiny… destined for the garbage heap…
The most accura….and it’s WIDE!
Ok Detroit no harm no foul… Just take it down the field and score.
pettigrew?…pettigrown-man.
Reggie Bush must weigh 160 pounds. Brandon Carr 1 handed him like I was throwing my little brother around.
Put them away, Lions.
Great tackle, Carr.
That should have been a flag. Easy to stick your foot out and claim “tangled”.
Nah that was incidental.
yeah, good no call
Haven’t you learned the rules? If it’s for the Cowboys, by defintion, it’s a bad call! If that was called against the Eagles? HORRIBLE CALL!!!!
Yeah Jason Garrett, going out and clapping… that’s the extent of his coaching contributions.
Watching other team’s special teams, I love our special teams. On that KR we would have had prosinski or Maragos busting through and putting his ass down at like the 12.
DeMarco Murray fumble coming up.
Little late in the game to “start wearing the defense down”, dont’cha think Troy?
No pressure on that play.
Levy’s gotta make that tackle lol, he was right there.
HOLDING!!! Ha.
holding
Illegal shift anyhow haha.
Big play here. Need to hold them to a FG.
Lions D is collapsing. Impending total team collapse.
Knew it was too good to be true. Lions just can’t be trusted.
impressive recognition there.
I don’t understand how the Lions look so demoralized, they’re still up 13. You’re up 2 scores fools! get your heads up!
Stopped them! Will they go for it?
Damn. Lions offense needs to answer with a score.
The Lions are the biggest chokers. Megatron better step his game up.
God I hate Jim Caldwell, he has that perpetual confused look on his face. I’m sure he’s a good coach but he does not inspire confidence.
If this were the early stages of an Eagles comeback, Detroit would run the ensuing kickoff back for 6…
just noticed on that dodge brothers commercial that one of those old dodges had a star of david on the grill. anyone know the back story behind that?
No one is sure.
The Dodge brothers died before 1920. Apparently, no one ask them the meaning of their symbol.
Lions players body language was starting to look awful there. Everyone standing around with their hands at their sides. That’s the gee, I hope someone else steps up and makes a play look.
I love Jim Caldwell, lets focus on the run, despite their pass defense being atrocious!
Battle of the choke artists. Which team wants it less?? Gawd, I hate the Cowgirls, but putting them vs. Detroit really is a battle of the underachievers. Only Cincy would be worse and obviously they can’t play Dallas.
God that was awful.
Horrible call, horrible execution.
Shoo calls plays for the Lions?
Who
Shoobee doo?!
Nein
This game has turned. Sounds like some of the Lions players are out for dehydration. Out of shape losers.
Lions playing scared despite dominating most of the game. Sad sad sad.
Lions have played this way all year
They have no resiliency, something goes wrong and the whole team starts collapsing.
What the hell. Nate Allen can tackle better than these guys.
Get off Nate’s back 😀
Lions look atrocious right now. This feels like a foregone conclusion that they are going to lose.
OMFG, sooo many flags.
Yeah, but that was legit. Lions are blowing it.
Unfortunately true. Hasn’t been legal for almost 20 years.
About 10 minutes ago I was ready to say this is the most enjoyable game I’ve seen in a month. They better hold on. Suh is a beast (would look good in Midnight Green next year).
Just total collapse. Detroit has just completely fallen apart.
Just hold them to a FG.
It’s about time for Romo to do his normal melt under pressure. Least I hope so.
suh nba jams heating up
Two sacks in a row. Suh is destroying Martin. Might put them out of FG range.
Stars make big plays, Suh is making PLAYS
big stomp…i mean stop, by suh
Too soon.
Now if their offense could do anything, is a shame they don’t have 2 top 20 receivers
Once again, for those mourning the Eagles QB situation, other teams have their issues as well.
Who is the offense of coordinator for Detroit?
well that was dumb
How was dinner?
Haven’t eaten it yet but it’s ready. I made a huge piece of salmon
Who is the special-teams coordinator for Detroit?
Nice play you dopes. God I hate having to cheer for the Lions.
it makes you feel super sorry for actual detriot fans
You mean, rooting for a playoff team?
how many times can you say that for them over the past half century
Counting back since the Dodge brothers, it isn’t that bad
Keep focusing on the run Caldwell, you fucking idiot. Someone find me a bottle of whiskey.
ive got half a bottle of Bulliet in my room
Can Megatron catch a fucking TD after all this crap?!
Not in this offense
This is so frustrating. Watching Dallas Defense Players celebrate play after play.
why run the ball?
Because coming out of the half, Lions coach Jim Caldwell wanted to focus on on the run. Despite the shit secondary of Dallas. Because Caldwell is a great coach I am sure.
OMG, i hate this offense. Stafford is lost on the field. C’mon Lions, do something!!
Thank you Johnson
Need a score. Make this two possessions, Detroit!!
Big third down…
Wilcox looks pretty good
Please score a TD frigging DETROIT LIONS!
PASS FUCKING INTERFERENCE!
Wait! Dez Bryant doesn’t think it’s a penalty!!!
Not against Dallas!!!
Clear faceguard.
TD TD TD TD TD TD TD TD TD
WTF?!?!?!?! They pick up the flag. This game is fixed!
Lions is such a waste of Calvin’s talents can we have him lol
Wait what
What?!?!?! They reversed it after announcing it? They listened to Dez???
what fucking blatant partialty
WHAT!!! WHAT THE HELL!!!!
Horse shit
WHAT!!!???
Caldwell is a pussy.
O M * G . . . that is SO WRONG.
Wow, that is such horseshit.
I cannot believe they picked up that flag.
This was bogus
Refs are asking Garrett what other calls he needs…
fucking piece of shit refs they can go fuck themselves
I guess Dean Blandino hanging out on the Cowboys party bus has advantages for them.
what a joke…
That worked out well for Detroit
disagree field goals aren’t going to win this game, should have gone for it
You know what. Fuck the Lions. They are complete chokers of the biggest chockers on this little earth. I am going to turn this crap of Dallas football piece of shit of.
And Detroit continues to try to hand Dallas the game. F * C K M Y L I F E
That’s incredible. How could they pick up that flag. THEY ANNOUNCED THE DAMN PENALTY!!!
epic collapse, i told you a bunch of FUCKING CHOKERS with refs paid offf
Go Packers.
Glad I can see bryants reaction. What a relief
Dallas has zero chance to win in Green Bay. Detroit has zero chance to win in Seattle.
I’ve never seen anything like that, picking up that flag, after the call was announced, so late. Unbelievable.
That was such an obvious penalty. Picking it up should be questioned by the league office.
That was complete bs I can’t watch this crap
I am sure flags have been picked up. But with an explanation by the referee
I love that Peirera is pulling no punches, clear pass interference and fuckup by the officials.
he’s one of those few fox tv personalities i l ike
Yeah, for a former league employee he has no problem ripping the officiating. I like that.
Sooo much better than Mike Caldwell.
I respect Peirera. Usually agree with him, too.
I’ll leave this here, I think this explains it…
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/was-nfl-officials-czar-dean-blandino-partying-with-cowboys–jerry-jones-030811851.html
What a joke… Flag picked up, followed by a 10 yard punt…. GTFO
..
Figures the Cowboys would play the one team capable of choking as bad as them smh
Andy Reidesque clock management right there.
why didn’t dallas just take the penalty and have more room to punt instead of wasting a valuable TO in a close game?
not complaining btw
Sigh
Oh wow, and they flag that. Of course. The hell is this shit.
Jerry slipped the refs a couple hundreds.
They make 6 figures, that’s insulting if it’s true.
Never underestimate greed.
OH NOW THOSE COCK SUCKERS THROW A FLAG
Oh there’s a flag?
This game is bullshit
this is extremely frustrating to watch, even more so than the eagles usual BS
That picked up flag… that kind of shit is more frustrating than just losing on the field.
Guaranteed flag on the next play.
Haha, good call.
!@#$, called it. I was being sarcastic earlier, but frankly I’m starting to wonder if the fix is in.
This is blatant cheating
wow
HOLD ANYONE??@??@?@?
I HATE THIS REFS
That was a good call though lol he just dragged him down.
I think some of you are underestimating the Cowboys chokability.
The refs keep giving them the heimlich
The refs won’t choke
wait no flag
next play
wtf about that blatant hold on OL lasat play
those penalties don’t count – it’s the cowboys committing them
Bet this is going to Dez.
Pick 6 right here.
Well that was going to Dez.
better be on fucking dallas.
what a joke
Do they not call holding penalties?
Fuck my life. Need alcohol . . . . now.
Hidden benefit of these suspicious calls? It took an extra 2 minutes off the clock for Detroit.
Doesn’t matter, Dallas is getting the calls.
FUCK THIS GAME
wtf is chris christie doing in dalls?
what a sellout
was there for the dallas game too
yeah btw eagles and giants no one in your electorate likes dallas.
He is making inroads for a presidential run.
no doubt
I hate watching Jerry jones celebrate
Sacrifice all of your Transformer action figures and start chanting Megatron..
put up or shut up for stafford, gotta play the shit hand you’re dealt
I am speechless at how badly the NFL just ripped off the lions. What a corrupt league.
How many people wanted Suh to accidentally fall on Romo as he was celebrating on the ground?
My money is on a tipped ball intercepted by Dallas.
Guaranteed INT coming
or sack and fumble.
good call
hahahah
My money is on an official tipping to the ball to Dallas.
Ironic in that Dallas has been tipping the refs…
I’m going to say disastrous fumble by Bush after at the tail end of a long screen play…
3 and out. 2 runs incomplete pass.
The NFL is such a fucking joke. If they don’t drive for a TD here, they should formally protest the result of this game. First of all, that was clear and blatant pass interference. Even if it wasn’t, the head official had made the announcement of the call. The only way that gets overturned is if someone from the league office in NY buzzes in and says overturn the call. Which they’d be doing after looking at a replay, and replays of interference calls aren’t fucking reviewable. It’s clear as fricking day that the league wants the Cowboys to advance so called in to prevent their sorry arses from losing. It’s fucking disgusting. Then the losers call defensive holding when #78 Jeremy Parnell was clear as fucking day holding the DE. Sorry for the language if that offends you. I’m venting here.
Wow, injury stops the clock. Thanks for that.
Detroit CB was staring at Romo in man coverage rather than following receiver. Ugh.
Well Lions have 5 comeback wins this year let’s .make it 6
WTF
Ha! That was enjoyable.
first down for lions right/
Wow, well that was bananas.
So… first down?
What happened? Missed that play.
You picked a hell of a play to miss. Stafford lost the ball on a sack, Demarcus Lawrence for the Cowboys picked it up, tried to run, then lost the ball and the Lions recovered.
yes
I think the officials are changing their mind on the first fumble. They will move the spot and change the down without explanation.
Ha! Stafford was “in the grass.”
Nice play rookie, lol. Demarcus Lawrence lol.
how about some divine fucking intervention, lets make that payoff detriot
well ill take a first down any way i can get it
I’m surprised they didn’t introduce the defensive tuck rule and hand the ball to Dallas…
Detroit’s OL is garbage.
This drive better feature some Calvin Johnson. Time to unleash the Megatron.
I know Dallas will be pummeled in GB but I can’t deal with one more week of Cowgirls dick sucking
Agreed. That should be our Cox getting sucked.
Hurry up Detroit. Gotta get the ball down the field.
Megadrop.
Jesus, had CJ2K open. Fucking Stafford.
Riddick shoulda gone out of bounds.
WOW JOE BUCK THAT IS SO IRONIC.
That pass interference call changed everything, ridiculous I just can’t get over it
Nor should you. If you ever doubted that the league was fixed, you shouldn’t now.
Sideline throws you fools, you only have 1 timeout left.
Marinelli coaching the Cowboys defense today on the last drive is not irony
And, hopefully, their defense doesn’t turn iron-y.
They gotta get the ball down the field…
Ebron almost didn’t get out there.
Chris Christie threatened the refs with lane closures
Not enough alcohol in my house to handle this bullsh!t
4th and 3.
Sigh.
unbelievable.
choke.
God Damn It.
Look at that fatass Chris Christie piledriving into that hug.
I’m going to go throw up now
Liions did partially choke but they were also blatantly robbed.
That, too.
Can’t gaurentee it would have changed the outcome, but that was a truly horrific pick up of that flag.
Even a FG on that drive would have put the Lions in position to go for a FG to end the game.
At the very least its 3 more points and a couple of minutes off of the clock. Totally unacceptable. huge black eye for the league and Detroit”s owner has every right to have Goodell on the phone right now for an explanation.
Matthew Stafford is a fuckwit.
$100m contract
Foles or Stafford. Your choice? Stafford’s more talented (true of most starting qbs in the league) but I’ll still take Nick.
stafford
Welcome to him.
you mean who would i take Foles, obviously. Who has a $100m deal, stafford.
Apologies for the fucked up grammar.
I don’t understand the technical scout-speak. That is bad, right?
Well, yes.
He makes some really fucking bad decisions. He has all the talent to be the best, but he’s fucking Jeff George.
Agreed. Talent is talent is unrealized potential.
The potential is unrealized because he’s a fucking fuckwit. He is totally capable of winning this game, unlike Dalton or Luck. He’s just a total fuckup. I know you won’t believe me, but this is what even guys like Vick is just so much better than Stafford, because Vick is not a fuckwit, and would totally demolish a crap defense being coached by a god upon men.
I can see why the coach was trying to take the ball out of stafford’s hands
As Vick has done so often these last couple years…
2010 to start of 2012 Vick would have crushed these Cowboys. with Megatron being Maclin and Tate being Intermediate! Djax? Oh yeah. And like Brees, Brady, etc, he wouldn’t have had any trouble at least fucking setting up the endzone shots.
Seriously, this is exactly the scenario that a competent QB can at least come close. Got dam it, Joe Webb did in ’11 against Detroit, and it took a fucking facemask at the one yard line for Detroit to make the playoffs that year!
Stafford is 6’4″, kinda cute, fairly famous and makes umpteen million dollars. He also led his team to the playoffs, where they hadn’t been for almost TWENTY YEARS before his arrival. Could you be a teeny bit envious?
I look forward to the NFL announcing their apology for blowing the pass interference call taken away from Detroit
For all the good it will do.
They should force the officials to clean up a few abondoned buildings.
I hope Christie breaks Jerry’s hip
The big fail was giving up that long TD at the end of the first half.
Game ball goes to the refs.
At least Rodgers will finish them off.
keeps me interested in the playoffs for one more week.
fox was behind this dallas win, they wanted a dal/gb matchup, it’s going to get the best ratings in the divisional round
The announcers were awfully disgusted with that call, so I’m not sure Fox orchestrated it. Now the NFL……..?
Depends on what storyline Goodell decides to go with… “all hail the comeback of our NFL MVP”? Or “they counted us out” Dallas.
If we get a “Dewey Defeats Truman” esque headline the next day then the cat will be out of the bag.
You hope. No reason Dallas can’t win that one.
boy id like to wipe that shit eating grin off jason garret’s face
To do so, you could use one of the several flags thrown by his officials…
That wouldn’t work. Those flags are covered in bull shit already.
Hmm…
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-says-its-not-inappropriate-at-all-that-nfls-vp-of-officiating-was-on-team-bus-on-sunset-strip.html/
I don’t understand how he wasn’t removed from his post after this. It definitely is a conflict of interest.
It’s fine, Jerry said so
I think Dez Bryant said it was okay…
Actually, the initial announcement was that he was being penalized, but then they changed their mind for no apparent reason.
Much like that flag they picked up earlier.
Fox insured continued rights to broadcast the games by not making the PI call-uncall the play of the game.
Michael Strahan on Chris Christie in the Dallas Suite: “…he can stay up in the suite for all I care.”
Expect a call from Fox management, my friend…
Man could this season get any worse?
You don’t want an answer to that…
We could lock up Bradley Fletcher and Mark Sanchez with 8 year, $100 million dollar deals…
Too soon.
Some of us like to sleep you know..
Of course YOU would say that…
Well, every game this weekend featured several DBs giving up big plays and touchdowns.
That flag throw and then they pick it up?!?! WTF. I mean I hope Green bay beats them but I have no idea. The Cowboys have Jesus, Ra, Buddha and the officials on their side.
Even those beings can’t say no to a discount double check.
You hope. I mean seriously. How is any of this fair?
I assume – in this scenario – Chris Christie is Buddha?
Maitreya, of course.
Actually Jesus said everybody is equal.
GermanEagle picked the wrong day to stop drinking…
It’s all about the spirit(s), mate.
That picked up pass interference call was the clearest indication yet that the NFL is fixed. If it can happen in boxing and baseball it can happen in the NFL. Disgusting. Obviously referring to the Dallas game. 8 penalties against Detroit the whole game, 4 of which came in the Cowboys final drive. Yuck.
On another topic . . . The Eagles:
1. I hope Kelly — while getting “his” guys in the draft — understands the process is also involves arbitrage opportunities that allow you to get whom you want while also not only divesting the competition of their assets but allowing you yo use those assets for yourself.
2. Also hope Kelly now understands that getting photos of Dean Blandino in flagrante delicto will be very valuable in close games.
So the First Candidate was the guy.