Trial and Error

Posted: January 31st, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 148 Comments »

The Eagles have a new head personnel guy in Ed Marynowitz. They have a new DBs coach in Cory Undlin. They have a new TEs coach, Justin Peelle. They have a new QB coach for the third year in a row. This time it is Ryan Day. Should changes like this be a concern for a team trying to go from 10 wins to title contender?


How many people remember that David Shula was Jimmy Johnson’s original offensive coordinator in Dallas? That was a disaster. Unfortunately Johnson got it right when he hired Norv Turner a couple of years later and the rest is history.

Bill Belichick took over as the Patriots coach in 2000. He didn’t have a defensive coordinator for that season. Belichick then hired Romeo Crennel for the 2001 season and New England won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. Crennel wasn’t a great DC, but he was the right guy to help Belichick run the defense and get the results they wanted.

The 2012 Ravens had a couple of changes. DC Chuck Pagano left following the 2011 season to become the head coach of the Colts. Dean Pees replaced him as DC. The crazy move was the firing of OC Cam Cameron, which happened late in the season. Jim Caldwell took over as OC and helped the team win the Super Bowl. We tend to think of the Ravens as being all about defense, but in 4 playoff games that year they scored 24, 38, 28 and 34 points on the way to winning it all.

Sean Payton had Gary Gibbs run his defense from 2006-08. Then Payton hired Gregg Williams prior to the 2009 season and the Saints finally went from contender to champions.

Bill Cowher is the ultimate coach to look at for changes. He had all kinds of coaches come and go. Following the 1999 season, there was a power struggle between Cowher and GM Tom Donahoe. Cowher won that and hired Kevin Colbert to be the GM. They worked well together and won the Super Bowl in 2005. Colbert hired Mike Tomlin after Cowher stepped down and they won the SB in 2008 and just lost it in 2010.

You would love to see a coach win with his original staff and have things go smoothly. That’s just not reality. Either there are problems that emerge and need to be dealt with or the staff has big success early and the coaches get plucked away by other teams. Change is inevitable.

The key to this situation is hoping that Kelly made the right hires.

If he did, the Eagles can be a better team in 2015 and moving forward.


148 Comments on “Trial and Error”

  1. 1 Media Mike said at 6:37 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Odds the D (both roster and play) improves enough in 2015 that we’re not reading one of these about Billy Davis in 2016?

  2. 2 GermanEagle said at 6:43 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    While coaching certainly matters, talent on the field matters just as much.

    If the Eagles do not aggressively address their weak links on their roster, a certain defense backfield comes to mind, either in free agency and/or the draft, I will be highly disappointed.

  3. 3 Anders said at 6:49 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    I think we will try, but cant just force picks in the draft.

  4. 4 GermanEagle said at 6:50 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    True, I was trying to make the point that the Eagles better not bring Nate Allen or Bradley Fletcher back.

  5. 5 ian_no_2 said at 7:04 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    check out the CB free agents.. good year to be looking for one. The draft seems like there’s solid second round guys, perhaps someone worth using the first for.

  6. 6 GermanEagle said at 7:11 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    the eagles need to find at least one new starting CB and S. Since rookie CBs usually don’t start from day 1, free agency will have to be the way to go.
    My personal top 3 [CB] FA targets are as follows:
    1. Maxwell
    2. Kareem Jackson
    3. Antonio Cromartie

  7. 7 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 8:04 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    I hope we sign all of them lol!

  8. 8 GermanEagle said at 8:31 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Who’s hitting the board hard tonight now?!

  9. 9 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 8:46 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Didn’t want u to feel lonely

  10. 10 GermanEagle said at 8:54 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Very attentive of you.

  11. 11 EAGLES said at 8:33 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Cromartie wants to return to the jets from what I hear especially with Bowles as the HC now from Arizona. Said he never wanted to leave the jets in the first place.

    : (

  12. 12 GermanEagle said at 8:53 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Damnit, though I wouldn’t have thought he’d fit in Chippah’s picture.

  13. 13 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 10:00 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    cromartie has 10 kids or something like that. He will def be here if we $$

    We need a ball hawking DB I for one am embarrassed that Late Allen led our team in picks

  14. 14 GEAGLE said at 9:43 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    i doubt any of those names becomes an eagle..
    maxwell and Kareem will be the only ones we have interest in, and i assume that at some point the bidding will get absurd and they drop out of the bidding pretty early in the process…. but hey, who wouldnt want the eagles to sign “the prettiest girl at the dance”?

  15. 15 Media Mike said at 9:45 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Can we just not sign the girl that gives it up every time she gets asked?

  16. 16 GermanEagle said at 10:02 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    We will see. Don’t simply forget that not a long time ago the Eagles have signed one big name after the other in The ‘inglorious’ Nnamdi Free Agency.
    I am not saying that this is the way to go – which that year it clearly wasn’t after hindsight – but I wouldn’t automatically assume that the Eagles will not open their checkbooks.

  17. 17 GEAGLE said at 10:16 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    no one that had power during the nnamdi debacle is making decisions today.. fairly confident they wont be eagles… sure wouldnt mind being wrong, so im rooting for you, i just dont see it

  18. 18 GermanEagle said at 10:56 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Fair enough. I guess we will have to wait and see how much (non) power Howie will have when it gets to Free Agency. The owner is still the same though…
    Anyway, let’s keep our fingers crossed. And if we end up with a full “House” instead, I wouldn’t mind either.

  19. 19 GEAGLE said at 3:30 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I think Howie gave chip everything he wanted these past two years, so I don’t expect to notice any difference between how we operated the last two years, and how we operate this year.. but we’ll find out in 5-6 weeks

  20. 20 GEAGLE said at 10:23 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    not a good year at all for free agent corners, atleast not for corners that will interest the eagles… hello davon house

  21. 21 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 8:09 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Well we will need smoothie people and they fit the culture lol

    a tool for every task and a task for every tool… and those people are def TOOLS ha

  22. 22 GEAGLE said at 8:53 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    cary Williams (last season)
    Nolan Carrol
    Davon House
    Quintin Rollins or Jalen Collins (Draft)
    Boykin (Nickel)
    jaylen Watkins (Dime)
    malcolm Jenkins
    Da’Norris Searcy
    Earl Wolff
    Ed reynolds

    We can win with THAT secondary… Especially if we improve our front 7 to where we don’t need safety help to stop the run so safeties can focus on helping the corners. Lucky for us, our front 7 is so young, we can do nothing and our front 7 will still be better than this past year, with an addition or two the front 7 can be scary,,,

  23. 23 GEAGLE said at 8:55 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    That’s how you fix an entire secondary only using 1 draft pick so we,can use the draft to upgrade OL, ILB, WR, maybe another OLB or DL monster

  24. 24 GermanEagle said at 8:58 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    If Peanut isn’t retiring and medically checks out, I’d love to take a flyer on him so he could be mentoring all the Rollins and Collins in this world.

  25. 25 GEAGLE said at 8:59 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    One of my favorite non eagle defenders of the past decade, doubt we are interested… Too old to help the Bears pathetic defense, probably too old to help us,,

  26. 26 GermanEagle said at 9:04 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    I think it had more to do with his torn triceps that he couldn’t help this pathetic Bears D.

  27. 27 GEAGLE said at 9:10 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    He is getting up there in age… Personally I would stay away from the DBs of Bears, Steelers, Jets… Secondaries that make ours look good..

  28. 28 GermanEagle said at 9:19 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    I wouldn’t mind a two year contract, IF he passes his physical. Worst case he’s gonna force 10 fumbles for us next season. 😉

  29. 29 GEAGLE said at 3:22 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    What have you seen these last two years under chip that would lead you to believe we might sign Peanut Tillmen?

    I just watched us piss away a season to injury hell, I don’t want to spend one of our free agent signings on. 40 year old who’s body is breaking down. Eagles are only going to add a couple free agents, make them count, and spend them on players with the best chance of playing their best ball during this next contract, and more importantly spending it on players that are durable have the best chance of playing 16 games..
    If your best football isn’t ahead of you, I doubt the Eagles will make a free agent investment in you. Peanuts best days behind him, why do you want to waste one of our few free agent addition on a guy who you sigń hoping he won’t decline too fast?
    i would be so surprised to even hear rumors of Eagles interest in Tillman… But we can agree to disagree

  30. 30 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 10:02 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    He has always impressed with FF, crazy anti asante lol

  31. 31 Greg Richards said at 9:19 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    That’s a bare minimum in the way of upgrading. I realize all of FA is a risk that may not pan out but doing that you’d be dependent on one of Carroll, House, or a rookie being ready to start and then having to replace another CB the next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have interest in House, he seems to fit the scheme, but I’d rather that be in addition to another CB such as Maxwell or Kareem Jackson. I do approve of the Searcy addition. I think he’s the next best option if McCourty is unattainable.

  32. 32 GEAGLE said at 9:05 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    dude? im a defensive fanatic, you think i dont want the top two free agent corners on the market? YES PLEASE! who the hell wouldnt want Maxwell? every team almost would love to sign him… what i want, and what i think will happen are two different things. i dont think my wants matter if they dont coincide with what the eagles will do, and i just dont see Maxwell or Kareem being Eagles next year…

    WHAT I THINK the EAGLE will do, is go for House, Mcourty(or Searcy)… but i shouldnt have to state the friggin obvious that i would rather have Maxwell instead of house, Carrol and Cary combined…

    while that may be the “minimal upgrade”, thats just in terms of instant gratification, the corners are just stop gaps, the real upgrade in corner talent will come in the draft when we draft a talented corner in the first 3 rounds, I just know that chip wont draft a kid and just pencil him in as the starting corner in september, which is why Cary, and Nolan have to be here atleast 1 more season…
    do we really have to type that a fanbase starved for DBs would ideally sign Maxwell and McCourty? isnt that a given? I just dont believe that particular “want” will coincide with what actually happens, but i would LOVE to be wrong..

    so lets be clear, MY DREAM scenario is McCourty/Maxwell… as if that isnt everyone elses dream…. but what i think will actually happen, is Searcy, House, while we draft a corner in one of the first few rounds…

  33. 33 Anders said at 7:43 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    “Especially if we improve our front 7 to where we don’t need safety help to stop the run so safeties can focus on helping the corners. ”

    Will never happen because Kelly believes in the cover 3 as base defense

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 9:10 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    forget how a safety lines up.. dawk talked about how this drove him crazy at the end of our season.. when a CB like Bradley is getting picked on, the safety needs to instinctually know, within the scheme that he has to get over there and give the CB some help (roll to Bradleys side)… same thing with say a safety playing behind a front 7 that is getting the ball ran down their throat, doesnt matter where the safety lines up, he probably should be cheating up a bit in case its a run play so he can go help…

    chip kelly isnt going to bring safeties up, if he doesnt have to… and no matter where a safety lines up, he has to provide supoport where we need it… safety could be lined up in centerfield with centerfield duties on a pass play, but if they run the ball, that safety doesnt sit down in centerfield and take a break because they are running the ball and he wasnt lined up at the LOS, dude better get his ass up there and make a play..

    whatever the scheme is no coach brings db IN THE BOX to stop the run if he doesnt need to…and our defense evolved and changed from year one to year two, because our personnel improved.. think the defense will continue to evolve the next few years as it improves..

    as if we only play Base defense….

  35. 35 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 8:08 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    German eagle… german eagle…. GEagle??? lol

    J/K but damn you’re hitting the board tonight just like him lol

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 8:50 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Excuse you?

  37. 37 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 10:04 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    whats a Geagle anyways is it like a kegel?

    ok now if I have offended, apologies 🙂

  38. 38 ACViking said at 9:02 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Culture beats all

  39. 39 GermanEagle said at 10:00 AM on February 1st, 2015:


  40. 40 Dwight Simmons said at 6:45 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Wow I didn’t know Cowher hired Colbert….well now Colbert has traditional GM powers and the Steeler faithful are restless with Tomlin and him!

  41. 41 GermanEagle said at 6:45 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Don’t wanna ruin all your super bowl eve’s, but both the Patriots and Seahawks had a worse record than the Eagles after week 13 of the NFL.

  42. 42 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 8:06 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    My Super Bowl eve was ruined by the Redskins and our team way back in december…. But my nightmare of Cowboys v Patriots was averted ……….GD I want that trophy, we have suffered enough lol

  43. 43 FairOaks said at 4:12 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    If we beat the Redskins, we still miss the playoffs. The season was lost with the loss to the Cowboys as it turned out. We needed help after that, and didn’t get it.

  44. 44 ACViking said at 9:01 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Cowboys went into Seattle and won

    Eagles hosted Seattle and got butt whipped

    Losing to Washington was just icing on the collapse

  45. 45 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:50 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Cowboys beat Seattle when they were missing quite a few starters. The Rams beat SEA once this year too and we beat them.

    Keeping pressure on the Cowboys by beating the skins may have caused them to fold.

    And I don’t agree when people say we would have been one and done…. Thats what we all thought about the Giants winning SB with 9-7 record.

    Post season is a whole new season imo

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 9:04 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Even if we don’t choke to Dallas and Washington on back to back weeks, finish 12-4, and roll into the playoffs all hyped up…………….. we’d still have lost up in Green Bay on divisional weekend.

    I wanted to see some progress this year, not a season with the same record and a worse place of finish, but I didn’t see a title run just yet.

  47. 47 GEAGLE said at 9:30 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    you did see plenty of progress even if you dont recognize it. front 7 made significant improvement… in 2013 No WAY we would have ever been able to handle this type of an OL disaster, yet in 2014 we proven to have improved enough to be able to withstand that type of OL disaster and still win 10 games… we went from the healthiest season you can imagine winning 10 games to a season of the worst injury luck that you can ever imagine and we still won 10 games…. thats progress pal… no shot we would have been able to handle those injuries in 2013

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 9:37 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    That’s all well and good, but we live in a “next man up” league. I hear countless players, coaches, and pundits all say that injuries aren’t a valid excuse because every team has them.

    The bottom line is you are what your record says you are (although I hate quoting Parcells) and we were 10-6 again. That isn’t bad or disastrous, but it needs to get to 12-4 next year.

  49. 49 GEAGLE said at 10:19 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    lol ok the eagles didnt improve this year… you go ahead and believe that.
    until you accurately view the situation, you have zero chance at having an accurate idea about what the eagles will do…

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 10:28 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    You’re beginning to get a bit unwisely personal rather than topical hoss. I enjoy reading your takes on our team, but if you don’t think a team’s record and place of finish is the ultimate standard of progress over time, I can’t imagine we’ll agree on the topic. The improvement on the D-line was awesome to see. I agree it was impressive. Navigating the early season injuries on the O-line was a lot to overcome and winning under those circumstances deserves credit.

    But ultimately 10-6 and not in the playoffs after choking to Dallas and Washington back to back while Dallas held up our division crown isn’t good enough. I can fully say, without your attempt to stifile it, that 10-6 wasn’t good enough for this team. That doesn’t mean the team sucks, everybody needs to be fired, they don’t have any good players, etc. It just means 10-6 isn’t good enough.

    I expect it to get better next year, but I’m not trying to be the Bengals for the next 5 years with perpetual seasons ending with no playoff wins.

  51. 51 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:53 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Geag ,

    I agree 100%

  52. 52 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:52 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I think we saw progress in the sense where NOTHING came easy this year and our team kept fighting to a 10-6 record.

    Our D as bad as it was took a step forward with the front seven

    And of course Late Allen took a few steps forward (biting on play action) lol

  53. 53 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 7:02 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Im hoping the new qb coach will help Foles. Should be a night and Day difference.

  54. 54 EAGLES said at 8:31 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    If the playcalling is suspect again with more talent from FA, developed players and new draft picks I’d say Billybob Davis has to go. Especially with how Undlin is good at putting his players in a good position to win and our D front getting better, what else could it really be but playcalling if we keep giving up the big plays with more talent?

  55. 55 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 10:18 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Can someone explain this concept of suspect play calling?

    I saw open receivers on a lot of plays that didn’t get the ball, I saw running back not hitting hole, dancing and prancing instead.

    Execution killed us WAY more than “suspect play calling”

    My major gripe with the O was give the rock to POLK and let him abuse people with his battering ram style MORE/end rant

  56. 56 Insomniac said at 11:17 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    This is what kills me. This team is wayyyyy too finesse. I want that RB that doesn’t care if you want to try to meet him head on. I want a WR/TE that will go up and snatch the ball away from DBs that are draped all over on them. I want more physical players.

  57. 57 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 11:21 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Celek is physical, just hard when he needs to stay in pass pro so much like this year.

    Other than him and POLK I agree and we need a Runyun big ugly on oline

  58. 58 Insomniac said at 11:29 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Celek just doesn’t look the same anymore. It might be the QB play though.

  59. 59 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:54 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    He stayed in to Block a lot and I think he still has “IT”

    I hope we use more wishbone or 2 TE sets next year. Keep the most talented players on the field

  60. 60 GEAGLE said at 9:36 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    his name is Polk… we have a well rounded stable of RB that differ from each other stylistically

  61. 61 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 1:56 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I still hope we get Gurley, nothing wrong with having


    I think Sproles has a good year left in him at least

  62. 62 GEAGLE said at 3:11 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Doubt it

  63. 63 GEAGLE said at 9:35 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    its not real concept./.. just bullshit fan talk.. some crap they heard our dumb media complain about, so now they regurgitate it enough til people start to believe it…

  64. 64 GEAGLE said at 9:34 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    sorry to break it to you but chip is pleased with the job billy is doing, heck without billys defensive improvements our offense would have led us to 6 wins if that this year with all those injuries.

    when we gave billy talent, he produced a quality unit. look at the front 7… you get what you pay for in life, chip knows the secondary hasnt been built yet, so he isnt holding it against billy..
    i love how our fanbase and media is down on a defensive coordinator that actually showed some quality growth from 13-14…big discrepency with how you view billy and how chip does… i promise that to be the case

  65. 65 GEAGLE said at 9:05 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    As long as we have Stoutland, Azzinaro, Billy Davis, McGovern, Minter and Fipp…I don’t really care what happens with the rest of our coaching staff
    See what McGovern did with BG and Cole? Betting against a kid with Macus Smithts raw ability in the hands of a coach like McGovern is a losing proposition… Just watch,,,

  66. 66 RobNE said at 9:08 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    UVA with a horrible last 6 minutes to that game. Sigh.

  67. 67 GermanEagle said at 9:38 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    JJ Watt is wearing that kind of jacket that you should NEVER wear when taking a girl to the prom.

  68. 68 P_P_K said at 2:24 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    But he’s such a bad ass he can pull it off.

  69. 69 GermanEagle said at 10:01 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Just saw and shockingly found out on NFL Honors that former Vikings S Orlando Thomas has died of ALS last year.
    I very well remember one of the greatest interceptions I’ve personally have ever seen from a S.
    R.I.P. Orlando. 🙁

  70. 70 GermanEagle said at 10:14 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    We could have ended up with one son of 2015 HoFer GM’s Wolf and Polian. Lol.

  71. 71 SteveH said at 10:39 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Ok it’s official, they should just call it the NFL Quarterback of the year award. If any defensive player was going to win MVP it was going to be Watt this year. What would a defender need in a season to win it? 30 sacks and 12 interceptions for 7 touchdowns? Every QB in the league to post a sub 90 QBR?

  72. 72 GermanEagle said at 10:53 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    It’s a farce. As soon as Murray won Offense player of the year I knew that AR was going to get his award again.

  73. 73 EaglesD3rdandwrong said at 11:29 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    I think Watts gotta kick FG and return punts next year….

    He was robbed in an era where the O has it so much easier than ever before and some can score AT WILL. How many games would the Texans even have been competitive in w/o Watt?

  74. 74 Ark87 said at 11:42 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    MVP, sounds good, but it’s become dumb in today’s nfl, where the Qb is the most valuable single position on every team by default, as evidenced by probably the greatest player of the decade so far not being able to tip the scales to the Texans making the playoffs against the lack of QB keeping them out of the play offs (but they got close). They need to just name it Player of the Year for the best player in the NFL. That’s what people really care about I think. Probably should add a QB of the year award and then disqualify QB’s from offensive player of the year.

  75. 75 SteveH said at 12:08 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Even though it literally says “most valuable player” I have always generally understood it to mean, the best player of that season. If we are truly talking most valuable to a team, it is always going to be a quarterback unless JJ grows another 3 feet and fangs and devours a member of the offensive line at the conclusion of every play.

    They really do need to redefine the term, because he was the best player in the NFL this year.

  76. 76 D3FB said at 3:01 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Well he’s reenacting Rocky IV this offseason, so it could happen.

  77. 77 A_T_G said at 1:37 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    If we are throwing in our ideas for awards, I would like to encourage all of you to support creation of an Offensive/Defensive Piece of Shit award. Allow me to detail the criteria:

    – the O/DPOS are NOT for the worst offensive and defensive players in the league. After all, the worst players do not even dress on game day, let alone see the field, and should receive a little credit for managing to scrape along in such a cutthroat business.

    -the O/DPOS award will highlight the actions of a player who did enough during inconsequential times to earn trust and playing time, then seizes that opportunity and delivers crushing, devastating failures.

    – credit is given for the seemingly oxymoronic combination of consistency and creativity in the players ability to constantly innovate unexpected ways to provide heartbreak while continuing to maintain the trademark ineptitude that gained him attention.

    – the voting committee will be asked to give consideration to both ends of the spectrum: players whose limitless potential make failure seem impossible yet all the more surprising when it happens with absurd regularity, and players whose apparent level of coordination and athletic ability leave bystanders befuddled in how he constantly gets himself into a position to fail spectacularly.

    Nominations are welcome.

  78. 78 ICDogg said at 2:39 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Are we talking league-wide, like Johnny Manziel, or team-wide, like Bradley Fletcher?

  79. 79 A_T_G said at 8:07 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Either one is acceptable.

  80. 80 ICDogg said at 3:04 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    OK, let’s go with league-wide.

    How about Jay Cutler and Trent Richardson, and on defense, Bradley Fletcher (I think he qualifies league-wide) and Chris Conte.

  81. 81 A_T_G said at 8:09 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Good picks. Richardson is a strong candidate in how he lured two different teams into wasting precious draft picks on him.

  82. 82 ACViking said at 8:57 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    If he played the Eagles every week, Richardson might not be the leader for this award

  83. 83 Media Mike said at 8:59 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    I nominate Sean McDermott as the Defensive Coach POS winner for his “work” in “coordinating” the 2010 Eagles D to the worst red zone TD % allowed in 30+ years of NFL football.

  84. 84 A_T_G said at 10:14 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    While everyone loves discussing Sean, I think retroactive POS awards might be outside of our scope. Let’s focus on the most recent soul-pillaging failures.

  85. 85 Media Mike said at 10:21 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    As long as you agree that McDermott will forever be a POS, I’m happy to discuss current award winners.

    I vote for Adrian Peterson who completely and totally F’d my fantasy team in my money league. I finished 2nd (a miracle, no doubt) while that POS gave me no production all year due to his off the filed issues.

    If Peterson merely has the year that McCoy did this year, I win my fantasy league.

  86. 86 P_P_K said at 2:23 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    You, sir, have a legitimate gripe.

  87. 87 BlindChow said at 3:21 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    How about a defender that single-handedly gets his team into the playoffs? That wasn’t J.J. Watt. The QB is always going to be the most important player on the team.

  88. 88 ACViking said at 8:55 AM on February 1st, 2015:


  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 10:43 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    Thomas. Davis. Wow.

  90. 90 Ark87 said at 11:47 PM on January 31st, 2015:

    OK, it’s the day before the Superbowl, don’t have a horse in the race so I’m going the hedge my bets. If the Seahawks win, good for them, Russel Wilson is a good guy and the Pat’s are d-bags. If the Pats win, the team that uses a lot of similar principles and philosophies as we do, that will be at least a little encouraging for us going forward.

  91. 91 Mac said at 1:56 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Blackout 2 Eagles games this year, and then give me a lousy SB with no-one decent to cheer for this year… yep it’s puppy bowl 2015 for my family.

    Anyone else joining the boycott?

  92. 92 ICDogg said at 2:53 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Puppy Bowl just isn’t the same since Harry Kalas died.

  93. 93 Media Mike said at 8:55 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    What got blacked out?

  94. 94 Mac said at 9:29 AM on February 2nd, 2015:

    I live 2 hrs outside philly and can’t afford special football packages for TV. I couldn’t watch the St Louis or second Redskins game this past season. Very frustrating.

  95. 95 ICDogg said at 3:52 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    OT but here’s a gif of an awesome block by Nerlens Noel

  96. 96 Insomniac said at 4:24 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    can he play CB?

  97. 97 Andy Six Score and Four said at 9:32 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    You kidding? With that wingspan and blocking ability, we’ve found our new left tackle.

  98. 98 Anders said at 7:27 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Please do not post GIFs directly in the post, it makes loading the comments a hell

  99. 99 bentheimmigrant said at 8:53 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Disqus does it for you when you post a link.

  100. 100 Andy Six Score and Four said at 9:31 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    I don’t think you have to worry about this turning into BGN where half the comments are gifs. One here and there isn’t too bad, and this one was worth posting imo.

  101. 101 Anders said at 1:50 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Problem for me was it took my computer over 1 min to load the gif properly and I have an SSD and good internet connection and Disqus for me is already iffy enough without having to use load time on Gifs.

  102. 102 James Adair said at 2:51 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I’ll call your left hand Mr. Bazemore and raise you a poster.

  103. 103 Eagles News: Super Bowl Sunday 2015 | Sports Feedr said at 7:00 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    […] Trial and Error – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles have a new head personnel guy in Ed Marynowitz. They have a new DBs coach in Cory Undlin. They have a new TEs coach, Justin Peelle. They have a new QB coach for the third year in a row. This time it is Ryan Day. Should changes like this be a concern for a team trying to go from 10 wins to title contender? No. […]

  104. 104 Anders said at 7:25 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    2008 Eagles defense vs 2014 Seahawks defense:— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) 1. februar 2015

  105. 105 Media Mike said at 9:12 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Yet that D, along with the rest of the team, got off of the plane in Arizona and choked away the NFC title game to a garbage Cardinals team we’d just defeated by 28 points a few weeks prior in a key game in the playoff drive. That choke loss also cost us a title against a garbage Steelers team that we destroyed once already in that season.

  106. 106 Greg Richards said at 9:13 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    You do realize that that is right at the time Jim Johnson was first showing signs of his cancer returning, don’t you? I think he can be forgiven if he wasn’t at his best.

  107. 107 Media Mike said at 9:23 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Not a shot a Jim. The head coach needs to have the team ready to play. I don’t think they got beat due to tactics. They got beat due to being full of themselves and unready for a tough game.

  108. 108 Anders said at 1:49 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    you do realize that this wasnt the only time the defense choked in play offs under Jim Johnson?

  109. 109 P_P_K said at 2:21 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    If I get sent to hell, that’s one of the games I will be forced to repetaedly watch.

  110. 110 GEAGLE said at 3:08 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    And McNabb blamed the loss on the defense and our “young players”… Awesome leader…
    But the best was second half in the Super Bowl, throws a redzone INT that gets called back because of defensive holding. Next play he throws the same exact INT(didn’t get enough air on it)…he runs off the field to an angry Morninwegh and blames the INT on the infamous “Jacksonville wind” LOL. How do you throw INT on consecutive plays in the Redzone of the second half of the Super Bowl?
    Never forget FATnabb being so out of shape that we were down two scores with 5 minutes, needing to run a hurry up and FATnabb being so gassed that we moved slower than when I watch the chip kelly offense in slow motion… How are you so gassed with 5 minutes left that you are trying to lead a comeback moving at a snails pace? The best part isn’t that he puked, it’s that he denies it to this day when all his team mates verified it lol. yesterday Hollis Thomas said: “Dionovan was my boy, I like Donovan. But I can’t defend stupidity and some of the things that come out of Donovan’s mouth were just stupid… he would wait too long to stick up for himself and when he finally did, he would often say stupid things, like refusing to own up to throwing up in the Super Bowl” LOL
    Game on the line, need late game Heroics, def don’t want the ball in Mcnabbs hands.. Can anyone. Even FOles biggest haters say they would rather have the ball in Donovan’s hands on a last drive with the game on the line? A career of failures to lead us into the ENDZONE on final drives, I blame a lot of that on his refusal to run, after the media idiot said that stupod racial crap about him..

  111. 111 Anders said at 7:33 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Can somebody tell me how on earth Jerome Bettis is a HoF RB?

  112. 112 ACViking said at 8:53 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Same reaction. A great teammate and interview. Had to help

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 8:58 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    So true. Mathematically speaking; Bettis isn’t good enough. The 5th inductee should have been Orlando Pace. Pace, at worst, was the 2nd best OT in his era. Bettis, if lucky, is the 6th to 10th best RB of his era.

  114. 114 bentheimmigrant said at 8:58 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Yeah. Fan favourite, even among other fanbases helps. But he was also a different type of runner. A hard hitting, north -south guy who’s plan is to run into you won’t have the same production of other great RBs.

  115. 115 Media Mike said at 9:03 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    And the counter to that is that a lot of guys can hit hard and go north / south with lesser production than actual HOF level players. Bettis is so weak by a per season and yards from scrimmage standpoint compared to what it should take to get in the HOF.

    The fact thatthe voters let underwhelming John Riggins and Larry Csonka in the HOF shows they have some type of fettish for niche bowling ball type players that aren’t really good runners.

  116. 116 bentheimmigrant said at 9:17 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Meh, they’re different players with different purposes. Statistics only go so far in measuring great play. If it was third and short, you knew what was coming and you probably couldn’t stop it.

  117. 117 Media Mike said at 9:21 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Ok, but if it was 3rd and long Bettis had to come off of the field because he was useless in the pass game and in pass blocking. That isn’t a HOF player.

  118. 118 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:57 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Exactly. He wasn’t even good enough to play linebacker, either.

  119. 119 bentheimmigrant said at 11:30 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Was he useless? I don’t remember one way or the other.

  120. 120 Media Mike said at 3:09 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Yeah, if you look up his stats on pro football reference and then start comparing them to other guys in his era, the lack of pass game help from Bettis is a glaring weakness.

  121. 121 Media Mike said at 8:55 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Because a few too many voters were stupid enough to buy into the typical Pittsburgh over-hype and have trouble placing career totals into the context of the number of seasons needed to achieve those totals. The other HOF RBs of the era in which Bettis played are Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, and Curtis Martin. Bettis, when examined from a yards from scrimmage and total TDs standpoint, isn’t even close to those guys.

    Bettis most closely resembles Ricky Watters, Edge James, Warrick Dunn, and Tiki Barber; none of whom are HOF players.

    I guess having a fun nickname and an affable personality are what gets one into the HOF in spite of never being one of the 5 best players at your position in any season you played.

    Bettis is a joke for the HOF, shame on the voters.

  122. 122 Eagles News: Super Bowl Sunday 2015 | said at 9:07 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    […] Trial and Error – Iggles BlitzThe Eagles have a new head personnel guy in Ed Marynowitz. They have a new DBs coach in Cory Undlin. They have a new TEs coach, Justin Peelle. They have a new QB coach for the third year in a row. This time it is Ryan Day. Should changes like this be a concern for a team trying to go from 10 wins to title contender? No. […]

  123. 123 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:01 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Hanging with the Foles update: played another event tonight and Foles and Too Tall Jones were in attendance. Foles came over when we waved at him and shook our hands. I said I told the guys at igglesblitz how great of a singer he was, and he thanked me for “having his back”. Not really sure he knew what I was talking about, though…

  124. 124 GermanEagle said at 11:07 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Mate, you now had twice the chance to ask him why he likes those uggly Uggs boots!!! I. Am. Disappointed.

  125. 125 GermanEagle said at 11:15 AM on February 1st, 2015:


  126. 126 SteveH said at 11:16 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    He’s hoping some of Tom Brady’s mojo rubs off on him. Like strait through the fabric of the Uggz.

  127. 127 GermanEagle said at 11:18 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Another reason not to root for the Patriots! lol

  128. 128 Michael Winter Cho said at 11:38 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Now that you mention it, I think he was wearing those last night, too. I wish Deion would give him some dressing lessons, that guy is sharp!

  129. 129 P_P_K said at 11:46 AM on February 1st, 2015:

    Very cool.

  130. 130 Greg Richards said at 12:23 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Okay, this is going to be a long post. Fanspeak has a new offseason simulation game where you can cut or restructure players, attempt to re-sign your own free agents, and make free agent bids. It’s not perfect as it doesn’t account for restricted free agency and you can’t extend your own guys that are already under contract. That said, this is my simulation(just for fun):

    1. Cuts/Restructures of own Players
    a. Cut LB Trent Cole – Makes too much money and I wanted to extend Graham. I also wanted to get younger at the position.
    b. Cut LB Demeco Ryans – Overpaid.
    c. Cut CB Cary Williams – Overpaid, pisses me off.
    d. Cut TE Brent Celek – Overpaid.
    e. Cut TE James Casey – Overpaid.

    2. Re-signings of own players
    a. Re-signed WR Jeremy Maclin to 5 year, $50M contract with 35%($17.5M) guaranteed.
    b. Re-signed LB Brandon Graham to 4 year, $18M contract with 35% guaranteed. Note: I think they underrate his market value.
    c. Re-signed LB Demeco Ryans to 2 year, $6M contract with 30% guaranteed. Veteran leadership isn’t worth $6.9M. It’s worth $3M.
    d. Re-signed TE Brent Celek to 2 year, $4M contract with 30% guaranteed.

    3. Free Agency(I’m going to break this down by need position):
    a. CB – Signed Byron Maxwell to 4 year, $25M contract with 35% guaranteed and Chris Culliver to 3 year, $9M contract with 30% guaranteed. I think they underrate both players’ market value.
    b. S – Signed Da’Norris Searcy to 4 year, $25M contract with 35% guaranteed. McCourty was given the transition tag by NE. Searcy rejected my initial bid(5 years, $5.5M average). I made an offer to Rahim Moore but he signed elsewhere for an IMO overinflated value(6 years, $6.9M average). Searcy accepted my 2nd offer.
    c. LB – Signed Brooks Reed to 4 year, $17M contract with 35% guaranteed. My initial target was Ahmad Brooks as a player slightly younger than Cole that I thought I could get at around the same price range as Graham. I then made an offer for Brooks of 3 years, $4M average which was rejected. Jason Worilds was still on the market so I made a stab at him with a 4 year, $8.5M average which was rejected. I increased my offer to 4 years, $9M average but he took the exact same offer from the Titans. I then circled back to Brooks and he accepted my 2nd offer. I think that is probably a little overpriced for him but I got Graham at a bargain. Brooks can play OLB or ILB so that would theoretically give the Eagles some flexibility entering the draft.
    d. QB – Offered Jake Locker a 2 year, $4.5M contract with 30% guarantedd on 1st day of FA and he accepted. That’s pretty much the going rate for average backup QB and Locker IMO fit what Kelly likes to do the best and has the most upside of the FA options.
    e. WR – Wasn’t looking to go after any big-name FAs as Cooper’s contract locks him onto the roster for at least next year. On the 5th day of FA, I signed WR Marcus Easley of the Bills to a 2 year, $2.8M contract with 30% guaranteed. That’s the going rate for elite STers. Easley is one of the best gunners in the league. Brad Smith replacement.
    f. TE – I didn’t intend on re-signing James Casey but on the last day of FA in the simulation(10 days) he was still on the market so I threw him a 1 year, $1.2M offer with 30% guaranteed. He’s worth that for his STs ability. He accepted.

    I used first pick instead of fanspeak for the mock draft simulation as they allow trades(without having to pay $) and in general I think their draft board is better. Some of the trades they offer you are pretty unrealistic so I only accepted a trade offer is if the deal was similar to actual trades made in last year’s draft.

    1-20: Ereck Flowers 6-5 324 T/G Miami(FL) – Offered unrealistic trades but I stuck to pick 20. Flowers seemed like the best value and with the most upside. Can challenge Herremanns for RG job right away and eventually move to T. Considered Arik Armstead in Rd 1 and was hoping he’d fall to our round 2 pick but that didn’t happen. If there were realistic trades, I’d probably trade down and grab Hundley. I wasn’t going to reach for him at 20.

    2-20: Denzel Perryman 6-0 242 LB Miami(Fl) – The heir apparent to Ryans. Pretty clear pick to me. Other options still on board include Paul Dawson and Jalen Collins. Hundley was already taken at pick 37 by the Jets.

    TRADE: Was offered pick 4-2 and 4-31 for NE for pick 3-20. That is right around what we got in last year’s draft for pick 83 so I considered it feasible. I accepted the trade offer as I didn’t see anyone left on the board as a great value.
    4-2: Devin Smith 6-1 199 WR Ohio State – Deep threat WR. I thought the Eagles missed that element last year.
    4-14: Lorenzo Mauldin 6-4 256 OLB Lousiville – Clear best value on board IMO.
    4-20: Steven Nelson 5-10 199 CB Oregon State – I took him as best value on the board. If we assume Boykin leaves next offseason(likely unfortunately) then we’ll need a replacement at nickel CB.
    4-31: Ellis McCarthy 6-4 330 DT UCLA – I think DE is an underrated need for the Eagles going forward. We’re fine right now but both Curry and Thornton will be unrestricted FAs next offseason. We’re not likely to keep both and my preference would be locking up Curry. Hopefully Hart develops but we can’t rely on that. There weren’t any 3-4 DEs on the board I liked here. I took McCarthy to battle Allen for backup NT with the idea that maybe one of them will develop enough to start at NT and Logan could be the early down run-stuffing DE.
    5-20: B.J. Finney 6-4 304 C/G Kansas State – Can backup at C and both guard spots. Probably doesn’t have the athleticism they’d like ideally but I’d rather have a backup that has the strength to handle the in-line work but isn’t so great on the 2nd level than I’d have a guy like Molk who gets driven right back into the QB.
    6-20: Karlos Williams 6-1 225 RB Florida State – Seems to fit system and have good upside. Character questions but it’s the 6th round so we can easily cut him if he doesn’t fit in.
    7-20: Kyshoen Jarrett 6-1 217 S Virginia Tech – Fit as STs player and competition for dime LB spot.

    Note: The way the mock draft went there was never a QB that I liked that I felt was good value.

  131. 131 Media Mike said at 1:19 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Sooooooo much fun!

  132. 132 Greg Richards said at 2:53 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    It’s kind of addictive. Big waste of time, but fun.

  133. 133 Media Mike said at 3:08 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    The first time I played it (then backed it up with a draft on first pick) gave me a real appreciation for how one adds a full off season worth of work to an existing roster.

  134. 134 GEAGLE said at 1:02 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    superbowl day, while i hate seeing these teams succeed, it should be one of the better superbowl matchups of the past few years… The one part that sucks is both teams have Elite CBs eagles fans would love to have, but they will be going up against average at best WR corps… the only really compelling matchup in the passing game is Gronk vs. Numerous seahawks defenders are cable of matching up with him… Last year we got to see Legion of Boom compete against Elite WRs of the Broncos, Today is such a good match up the only thing missing is that Elite WR vs. Elite DB battles…might be the worst combined pool of WRs in recent SB history… i dont even know who would be considered the best WR in todays game, Edleman? Baldwin?…CBs should dominate the WR’s today, Tho I assume The Patriots will steal a page from the chargers and line their WRs up in stack formations so that the Big corners cant Jam them..
    Interesting Matchups for me today:
    1) Beastmode catching passes vs. Jamie Collins who will be matched up with the beast most of the day
    2) Gronk vs. KJ, Kam, Maxwell or whoever they decide to throw at the gronk
    3) Chandler Jones vs. Russel Okung
    4) Blount vs.Seattle DL minus mebane…
    really really curious to see which RB does the most damage. The Beast is the better back, leaning towards Pats OL providing the better run blocking..
    Patriots offense is good at orchestrating methodical drives and to move the ball against seattle you have to be patient take the short 5 yard hitches, run the ball, and be willing to patiently and methodically dink n dunk up field 3, 4 yards at a time….. The Patriots defense probably hasnt had to face as many zone read based rushing attacks in the AFC. most of the zone read run games are in the NFC. Wonder how experienced the Patriots are at defending a zone read 1 – 2 punch of the smart wilson who makes all the right decision and Beastmode..defenses Freeze for a split second to honor wilsons fake threat to keep the ball and run and that gives the beast the split second to start going down hill…. Im curious about this game because while i think both teams are going to struggle throwing the ball, and yards per reception averages should be low, i can also see both teams being able to run on each other and the second half two worn down defenses…

    “In games like this, the defense is always more gassed in the second half because defenders play with more emotion”.. wouldnt be surprised if we see a shootout/stampede on the ground in the second half with the Beast and Blount rumbling up and down the field…
    interesting game… doubt either team reaches 30 points…

  135. 135 Media Mike said at 1:19 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Agreed on the total. I also laugh every time I see Okung’s name because of the cry baby routine Seattle did after Cole tossed Okung a few years ago.

  136. 136 wee2424 said at 2:18 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Although Seattles WR may not be more talented the advantage they may have is the chemistry with Wilson to get open on broken plays. Even Revis cant cover a receiver for an extended period of time on one play.

  137. 137 P_P_K said at 2:19 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I agree. I think this will be the difference in the game, the reason Seattle wins again.

  138. 138 GEAGLE said at 3:00 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Wilfork has to have a monster game against BEASTMODE for the Patriots to stand a chance,… I wonder how prepared the patriots are to stop zone read of Wilsin/beast mode since they don’t see as much zone read in the AFC as the NFC teams do…

  139. 139 wee2424 said at 4:30 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    That and i think Seattle is the only team i have faith in to limt Gronkowski. Tall athletic LBs. Chancelor and the best FS in the game in Thomas. They have the personel to apply multiple different types of coverage on Gronk while still being creative and effective in other aspects on D.

  140. 140 wee2424 said at 4:40 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Laffel (check spelling) i think may be best, alot of that is due to Brady however. However i think the receiver with the best stats at the end of the day will be Edelman, possibly Baldwin due to Wilsons ability to extend broken plays.

  141. 141 GEAGLE said at 1:07 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    what would be more glorious?
    1) Goodell having to hand the MVP trophy to Beastmode and ask Marshawn to say a few words? LOL
    2) Goodel having to hand the MVP trophy to the uber outspoken Sherm? lol
    one wont say a word, the other Goodel has to fear what he will say

    either way, the monday morning yearly joint press conference with Goodell and the Superbowl MVP might get higher ratings than the superbowl if Sherm or Beast win the MVP. either way Goodell probably wont be getting a good night sleep tonight….

  142. 142 Media Mike said at 1:17 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    That would be classicly funny! But I’d rather see him hand it to Sherman, who’d be happy to do enough talking for just about everybody.

  143. 143 GEAGLE said at 2:57 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Sherman is liable to grab the Mic and start telling the world what a hypocrite liar Goodell is with Roger standing there next to him… I’d almost be afraid of what Sherm might say lol. It would be the verbal equivalent of Janet Jackson whipping a titty out
    If seahawks win, they better pray they can give them MVP to wilson..

  144. 144 Media Mike said at 3:07 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    You’re not kidding. I’d expect a scolding of Goodell for fining Lynch along with some type of really crude remark about Goodell’s special friendship with Bob Kraft.

  145. 145 ICDogg said at 1:52 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    I’m just holding up this trophy so I don’t get fined.

  146. 146 wee2424 said at 2:14 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    3) Lynch being handed the trophy and when asked to speak throws Goodell off the stage. Ladies and gentlemen, that would be glorious.

  147. 147 BobSmith77 said at 1:53 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    If there was a place in the NFL that they would need to generate ‘fake fan noise’ it would be the Georgia Dome:

  148. 148 GEAGLE said at 3:36 PM on February 1st, 2015:

    Lol Bob costas just said we requested an interview with Goodell to ask about the deflate gates, the continuos patriot allegations through out the years and all the Ray rice mistakes the league made and GOODELL declined lol… Dude won’t even give Bob costas an interview the man guy covering the pre Super Bowl show LOL.

    They asked GOODELL the other day if he can imagine any scenario where he would step down or should be fired as commissioner and the idiot said no, basically admitting he can do anything, make any mistake and his job will never be in Jeapordy lol..