A GM in the Making
Posted: February 1st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 337 Comments »The more I read about Ed Marynowitz, the more I like him. He might be a young guy in terms of age, but he sounds like one of those rare people who has been mature beyond his years for his whole life.
Marynowitz was a good high school QB in Coral Springs, FL. That is the top football state in the nation so you better be something special to really stand out. Marynowitz wasn’t special and ended up going to La Salle, a small program even by I-AA football standards.
Marynowitz was good enough to start for La Salle as a true freshman. He played well, but the team struggled in a big way. Rather than being happy with his success, Marynowitz focused on the team.
“If you’re a quarterback, you’re really measured by wins and losses,” Marynowitz said as he sat at a table in the football suite at La Salle’s Hayman Center before practice on a recent afternoon.
“I’m quarterback for a team that was 2-9, no matter what kind of individual things that I earned last year,” he said.
As a sophomore, Marynowitz was good enough to be 2nd team all-conference (MAAC). This led him to make a bold decision. He wanted to play at a higher level. He wanted to see how he would do against big time competition. Marynowitz sent out tapes and ended up transferring to UCF.
Marynowitz wasn’t delusional. He wanted to be a coach. This wasn’t a kid who thought he would magically get to a big school and turn into a QB the NFL coveted. But he did want to compete with the big boys. Marynowitz still knew his limitations.
“My thing is, I have to be there mentally. I have to know exactly the right place to go with the ball,” he said. “I can’t afford to be late with throws, because I don’t have the arm strength that Steve [Moffett] and Kyle have, and I don’t have Steve’s footwork. So I have to deliver the ball right when it’s supposed to get there.”
“I’ve only been on the Citrus Bowl field once, and that was for Fan Day [last year],” he said. “I did all that work, but there were times I really didn’t even feel like I was part of the team. So I’d really like to make the travel squad this year.”
This is not your typical jock, who thinks the world was created to watch his athletic greatness.
After his eligibility was up, Marynowitz became a graduate assistant (GA) at UCF for the 2006 season. He had just earned a degree in Business Management, but still wanted to be part of the football world. He worked in football operations in 2006, which generally means doing a little bit of everything. If the assistant coaches don’t want to do it, get the GA to do it.
Marynowitz was made the Recruiting Administrator for 2007. This meant setting up visits with recruits, evaluating tape, talking to high school coaches and working with recruiting services. Marynowitz earned his master’s degree in Business Administration in December of that year. The next spring he earned another master’s degree, this one in Sports Business Management.
Following his 2 years at UCF, Marynowitz went to work for the Miami Dolphins as a scouting assistant. He was doing a lot of grunt work there, but was around Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland, a pair of veteran NFL executives who knew how to evaluate talent and build a roster.
Nick Saban came calling in December of 2008. He knew Marynowitz had experience as a college recruiter and NFL scout. Saban wanted to combine the two concepts. Marynowitz was named Alabama’s Director of Player Personnel. (That title may have existed in a college program before then, but I’d never heard it.)
According to those familiar with the situation, Marynowitz, whose job title at Alabama was to “direct Alabama’s recruiting efforts,” brought an NFL-style approach to the evaluation players.
Even though receivers coach Mike Groh was the “recruiting coordinator,” Marynowitz did most of the player evaluations on tape and in camps before helping Saban narrow the list of recruits and assigning assistant coaches to handle the recruitments.
“This was not a bunch of assistant coaches with recruiting territories going and talking to high school coaches about which players can play,” one source close to the situation told Orangebloods.com. “This was an NFL-style evaluation that was largely handled by Marynowitz and Saban before the assistant coaches were then assigned players to recruit.”
This is a lot like what Marynowitz will do for the Eagles and Kelly. His job was to pare down a huge recruiting pool to a focused group of targets that the coaches could then go after. That lets the coaches spend more time coaching and less time chasing a kid who isn’t a good fit or who is already going somewhere else.
One of Marynowitz’s assistants at Alabama was a guy named Patrick Suddes. He got hired away by Texas and had some interesting things to say about his role and the way things were done at Alabama.
“Recruiting has changed daily, yearly. It’s getting more advanced. So that’s why I’m here – make the job for the coaches easier so that they can evaluate. My job is not to evaluate, it’s to get the information to them in a timely manner and make sure they’ve got every means possible to be successful. And then when the kid gets to campus, that’s my job to make sure they come to the University of Texas, they fall in love with it and they don’t want to leave. So that’s kind of what I’ve been grown up to.
I’ve been around a lot of great coaches, great recruiters. Coach [Nick] Saban, his staff there really was behind the guy that kind of changed the game in recruiting in college, Ed Marynowitz, who is assistant director of player personnel for the [Philadelphia] Eagles now. He changed the game and taught me a lot, and I’m kind of taking his philosophy, Coach Saban’s philosophy and then adapting it to Coach Brown’s philosophy here at Texas. My job, like I said, is to promote the philosophy of the head coach and make the lives easier for all the assistant coaches to go out and be successful in recruiting.”
He was specifically asked about Marynowitz and how he changed the recruiting world.
“Well, he wasn’t an evaluator, either. It’s just like I said, from a marketing standpoint, from a systems standpoint, creating a work room where you’ve got four student workers or whatever it is in there. Constantly cutting up film and getting information out. Nowadays you go on a recruiting site and you see a highlight film of a kid and some schools make a decision based off that. Well, you know, you didn’t see the kids’ lowlights. That could be sophomore film and he becomes a junior and he’s either a better player or a worse player. So it’s constantly updating the film so the coaches are put in the best position to make the right decision on that.”
The word “evaluator” is tricky here. I think this is being talked about in NCAA terms. They have very specific rules about who can do what and who can’t do what when it comes to recruiting. Marynowitz and his staff were watching tape and letting the coaches know who to officially evaluate. Marynowitz acted as a gatekeeper, deciding which information got to the coaching staff.
Marynowitz had one heck of a staff under him at Alabama. Suddes went to Texas and is now out at Arizona State.
Drew Hughes got a job with NC State. Look at what Wolfpack coach Dave Doeren said when they hired him.
“I’m really excited to have Drew Hughes join the Wolfpack family,” Doeren said. “He has a great passion for recruiting, is extremely organized and trained under Ed Marynowitz, who is one of the best in the business at Alabama. I look forward to the energy and organization he’ll bring to the position.”
Hughes is now the Director of Player Personnel for Florida. And a big Marynowitz fan.
Congrats to a great friend and mentor Ed Marynowitz on his promotion with the @Eagles Has helped many of us along the way!
— Drew Hughes (@dhughes234) January 29, 2015
J.R. Sandlin also worked at Bama. He was on the Notre Dame staff for a year and is now the recruiting guru for Jacksonville State.
You know about the Mike Holmgren coaching tree. Did you have any idea there would be an Ed Marynowitz recruiting tree?
Marynowitz is not your typical 30-year old. He’s worked for George O’Leary, Bill Parcells, Nick Saban, Andy Reid and Chip Kelly. He’s seen college football at small schools, mid-majors and at the greatest college team of the past 20 years. Marynowitz is well-educated. He is driven. He’s not afraid to take on big challenges.
I can’t tell you with any certainty that Marynowitz is going to lead the Eagles to the top, but I do hope this gives you a bit more appreciation for who he is and what he’s accomplished.
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Marynowitz was partly to blame for UCF being hit with NCAA violations.
Marynowitz is now the director of player personnel at the University of Alabama, while Rubio was a recruiting intern at the University of Tennessee last season. In the report, they were not named and were identified only by their positions at UCF.
They were not members of the school’s coaching staff and were not allowed to have any phone contact with recruits under NCAA rules. All college coaches were banned from sending text messages to recruits in August 2007.
Both former staff members told the NCAA they received proper training and understood they broke NCAA rules. They also stated the UCF coaching staff was not aware of their phone contact with recruits.
Marynowitz and Rubio both were suspended two weeks without pay. Rubio’s suspension was served at Tennessee, according to the NCAA report. UT Athletic Director Mike Hamilton told the Knoxville News-Sentinel on Thursday that his school had no knowledge of Rubio’s role in the UCF case when he was hired as a recruiting intern. Hamilton said Tennessee self-reported and implemented the suspension once it learned of the case.
“It’s all behind him now,” Hamilton said. “Those issues have been dealt with. [Rubio] is moving forward.”
The phone and text-message violations were discovered when UCF’s compliance office was doing a routine quarterly audit of phone records in March 2008.
The compliance staff noticed irregularities in the Marynowitz’s phone records. UCF began an inquiry and found that from June 6, 2007, through Feb. 6, 2008, he placed and received phone calls from about 17 recruits or their parents. Marynowitz also sent 70 text messages to recruits and their families despite having no authorization to have any phone contact with recruits.
Several of the phone calls were placed during weeks when the coaching staff was limited to one phone call to recruits, pushing the staff over the NCAA’s phone restrictions.
Marynowitz told school officials investigating the violation that he was placing the phone calls to help with logistics of official visits, adding that conversations moved on to more general topics considered part of recruiting, including asking about their schoolwork, their football season and personal goals.
UCF first reported the violations to the NCAA in August 2008.
Then in July 2009, the school received a tip that a second staff member, Rubio, had violated NCAA rules by contacting recruits and their families via phone calls and text messages.
From August 2008 through January 2009, Rubio used his personal cell phone to place and receive calls from 10 recruits.
The NCAA report on UCF’s infractions states the director of player personnel told investigators that he initiated the contact after he “emotionally connected” with recruits during the official visit. He told the investigators he felt uncomfortable ending friendships with recruits and cutting off all contact after their official visits ended.
Marynowitz was hired by Alabama just 2 weeks after meeting with the NCAA to explain his actions. He told Bama about the situation and was upfront with all the info.
Steve Rubio was much different, as mentioned above. He went to Tennessee and they had no idea of him being investigated. Former boss George O’Leary was not happy with Rubio at all.
O’Leary was more troubled by Rubio’s actions.
“What bothered me throughout the whole thing was that he left here taking an intern’s job, which I thought was weird,” O’Leary said. “Now we know why. He knew all about this when he took off and never said a word to us.”
UCF’s compliance staff continued its audits of office and work cell phones after Marynowitz’s violation, but O’Leary said no one on the staff knew Rubio had a third phone he kept hidden from co-workers. Rubio used the personal cell phone place and receive 68 phone calls and send an unknown number text messages.
“It wasn’t negligence on our part,” O’Leary said. “I made it very clear that the second one [Rubio] wasn’t to be making phone calls. I had this conversation with him in front of other coaches. It was very clear. When he left this place, he knew he was in trouble.”
You can decide if Marynowitz was busted for trying to creatively bend the rules or truly believed he hadn’t broken any rules.
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I wrote about Marynowitz and discussed his age in my PE.com column.
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Great background work Tommy. This really looks like a guy who knows talent. My only real question mark with the front office situation at this point is who is going to make sure we’re getting maximum value for picking a guy in the slot when we’re picking him and getting maximum value for trades in the draft.
Believe it or not, Howie ROSEMAN DOESNT set draft boards all by himself. A lot of the draft boards Howie set were off information from scouts and underlings like Marynowitz… Marynowitz and some of those acouts are still in place,
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Like Howie im sure Martnowitz can gather all the draft Intel and set an accurate draft board, you can bet he has bad a hand in helping Howie set the draft boards
And believe it or not, Rick Mueller and Tom Donahoe have been around the block a few times and have been heavily involved in NFL drafts. It’s not like the Eagles personnel department is comprised of a two man team.
Exactly. People act like Howie scouted 3000 players and made all the decisions. For two years Howie hasnt even had power: he has just been getting chip the players chip wants anyway, especially since gamble was always siding with chip…
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The staff is what does the meat and potatoes of work and Intel gathering, Howie managed the staff that did all the work, marynowitz and our staff will be fine…
That’s obviously true but I suspect Mueller is on the way out. Donahoe is pretty old, so I doubt he would have been a GM candidate. Mueller was the most qualified candidate in-house for the job and it doesn’t seem as if he was considered.
This actually makes me worry more. Specifically the part about Marynowitz not being an “evaluator” himself. I don’t want a “gatekeeper”, I want a guy who can evaluate players on his own. This to me reeks of Kelly not wanting a GM and scouting staff who have their own independent mind on players but just wanting a guy who will weed through the prospects and find players who meet all the criteria on his checklist so he’ll have a shorter list for the coaches to evaluate when the regular season is done. That’s a recipe for disaster.
You are limiting yourself when you are stuck in a narrow mindset of what players to bring on your team. Sure there might be some lines you won’t cross, specifically when it comes to character, but you have to have flexibility. From what I’ve seen, Kelly is lacking in that. The WRs have to meet X parameters. The CBs must fit this. That type of thinking leads you to lining up human toast Bradley Fletcher one-on-one against DeSean Jackson when you have Brandon Boykin parked on the bench. Sure, you can have general guidelines, but don’t lose out on talent because of your own stubborness. I don’t really know a lot about Pete Carroll but the difference(besides cheating accusations) between Kelly and Bellichick specifically is flexibility. Bellichick adjusts his scheme to fit his talent instead of limiting his talent because he’s defined by his scheme. I’ll admit I’ve noticed that more on defense than on offense. Bellichick constantly switches back and forth between the 4-3 and 3-4 dependent on who he has on a roster. He’s not looking for guys to fit a scheme. He’s looking for guys that bring a unique athletic trait and then adjusts that scheme to incorporate that player.
He wasnt an “evaluator” because the NCAA has stupid rules, he was doing evaluation, but they couldnt call him that
He’d have done a better job than Fletcher did. Historically, even at Oregon, Kelly has been okay with shorter RBs. At WR, they have to fit in a limited range.
What limited range? Jackson wasnt cut for his height or what ever he did on the field, he was cut because he didnt fit the character profile.
They probably wouldn’t have outright cut him if not for the character concerns but by Kelly’s own words he wanted to remake the WR corps according to his own vision.
That was the thing he had to say for cutting Desean
This isn’t a GM that will be chosing the players.. He will simply be gathering and funneling INFO to chip, no one becomes an eagle without chip signing off on him,
More interested in what type of relationships he has in front offices around the league, his ability to negotiate trades… Don’t need him to evaluate, need him to provide chip with the Right Intel for chip to evaluate and base his decisions off of.
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Basically, as a GM he won’t even have enough Power for us to even know I
If he is doing a good job or not..
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Chip will never 100% trust anyones negotiation anyway, this is a coach so nutty that he spends his saturday scouting college players during the NFL season. Even if Marynowitz is raving about how great a prospect is,chip will want to evaluate him himself and chip evaluation will be what decides if a player is going to be an Eagle or not
He’s Chip’s yes-man. Hey, you’re going to have one of 3 situations.
1. GM with total power with final say on draft and FA acquisitions. The coach in that case may have say on the final 53.
2. Coach with total power and GM basically does his bidding.
3. Coach and GM are “equals” with checks and balances mutually collaborating.
In a perfect world, scenario 3 is best but that assumes that both coach and GM are reasonable people without egos. In reality, it leads to the two sides butting heads and no one having real accountability. Of 1 and 2, I prefer scenario 1 as the coach is focused on game-planning for a good chunk of the season and is playing catch-up once it is time to start evaluating outside personnel. I’d rather have scenario 1, but I’ll take scenario 2 instead of scenario 3.
No…he Funnels players to chip. He narrows down the pool of players to choose from, but ultimately Chip will choose from a pool of players that Marynowitz signed off on and put on his desk, so his evaluations matter, but no such a thing as a yes man when chip is clearly the decision maker. It’s not eds place to tell chip yes or no. Ed narrows down the pool of prospects thru his evaluations, puts his favorites on chips desk. And chip chooses out of Marynowitzs players..
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Marynowitz will also collect all the data from the scouts abd use it to set the draft board.
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He will also handle all the preliminary trade talks, and when it gets close to decision time, chip will get involved.
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There is no such a thing as a yes man, they aren’t equals. Ed doesn’t get to add a player that chip doesn’t want… But you can bet he is a good evaluator and his evaluations will matter. If he is a bad evaluator some future studs won’t even make it to chips desk… Ed is the funnel who takes the humongous pool of prospects and funnels chip the best ones to study and chose from
Greg,
I think Ed did evaluate players. They can’t come out and say that due to NCAA rules.
Ed and his staff got lists of potential recruits and then worked them down to a smaller group. They were passed on to the assistant coaches, who did the actual recruiting.
That list doesn’t get smaller if Ed and the staff aren’t evaluating players.
Actually Chip and Davis want a D that is a hybrid and can switch between a 4-3 and 3-4. They have said so much. And I do think Chip does adjust his offense and tweaks it a bit. The Eagles and Foles suffered the same illness almost every 2nd year HC/QB faces. Defenses spend all off-season studying the offense but the offense/QB doesn’t see those adjustments until game time. It is usually the 3rd-4th year where you can truly tell if Chip becomes the next Jimmy Johnson or the next Steve Spurrier
I’m good with Marynowizt being a gatekeeper. The key is whether Kelly will trust his evaluations. I do worry about how rigid Kelly is to his concepts of what players ‘should’ be, but I agree with him when he says you don’t want to make a roster of exceptions. I’ll be curious to see how well this draft goes.
I wonder if any of those former Marynowitz underlings mentioned will get hired by the Eagles. They previously hired one of those guys, Matt Lindsey, as an intern in 2013. He got promoted to college scouting coordinator(basically schedules, books travel for the real scouts) last year. He was a student recruiting assistant at Alabama in 2012. Only 23 years old.
Of course Marynowitz is an evaluator. He is the first one looking at scouts’ reports and film to narrow down the field, then presents the chosen ones for the various coaches to check out. Whether it’s him or Bill Polian or Joe Blow, they are evaluating players, according to what THEY think the HC wants. Someone has to do it. Roseman mentioned awhile ago that they start with more than SIX HUNDRED possibles who get reduced down to about 300 before the coaches even see anything. It makes sense for Chip and his position coaches to watch various games/players themselves also, because they might see some intangible that the scouts don’t catch. No wonder Chip calls it a crap shoot. And that’s just the draft. SOMEONE also has to track free agents and their comparative value to both the Eagles and other teams. A complicated process. It might work better to separate these responsibilities from the management of the cap and negotiating with agents. Maybe trying to do it all himself was what made Roseman so grumpy! ;~)
Pretty sure Kelly calling him a good cap guy i.e. not an evaluator, was what made him grumpy. I’m hopeful, but taking a wait and see attitude.
Well, from what I’ve read, he was “grumpy” for an extended period of time!
As with most minor NCAA infractions, he got caught bending the rules; it means nothing in the grand scheme. If he is as good as many seem to think he can be, AND he sees eye to eye with Chip, then maybe we have our guy in place for awhile. I just hope Howie doesn’t pout too much and stays in the corner he was sent to.
While I think the NCAA rules are completely stupid, I don’t think breaking them is insignificant. He may have only intended to bend them but it was interpreted differently by the NCAA and they(CF) suffered consequences. Already under Kelly, we’ve lost Lane Johnson and Jake Knott to suspensions and I think the outcome of the SF game could have been different if Johnson was in there. Now people will blame the players but considering Kelly’s track record at Oregon, it’s right to be suspicious. We now have two guys in charge who are known to play fast and loose with the rules. I don’t really care as long as they don’t get caught, but it’d be a shame to lose draft picks because one of the 2 don’t follow the rules to the letter.
There is some merit to this line of thinking. However, Kelly and new guy just happened to get caught with rules involving recruiting, which is something that is not at all relevant to what they are doing now. That’s why I’m not paying it much mind.
Sure, but if you don’t pay enough attention to detail and break the NCAA rules then it’s reasonable to worry about them breaking NFL rules. Hopefully, both have learned from their NCAA violations.
Neither of those NCAA infractions had anything to do with PEDs. So your linking Kelly to the suspensions is ludicrous!
Official nominations for O/DPOS award will be accepted until… I get tired of keeping track. So far, we have:
Offense: (Eagles) Cooper, (league) Cutler, Richardson, Peterson
Defense: (Eagles) Fletcher, (league) Fletcher, Conte.
Is this a good place to point out that neither Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher has been very effective yet?
Awesome research. Thank you.
so this was like when we hired young Howie to be a GM, but instead of being a nerd, Man-o-war-itz actually has a football background….
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2nd young GM hired by the Eagles..
Tom Heckert says hi (not technically GM, but neither is Ed).
Great write-up Tommy! I agree that he is a GM in the making with the Eagles. I also think that Day is an OC in the making. CK is now looking long term when it comes to top level front office and coordinator positions. I truly don’t think Shurmur will hang around at OC for much longer (possibly just 2015) before he decides to give head coaching another try. Teams have obviously wanted to pluck coaches off the new Chip Kelly coaching tree in order to get up to speed on his philosophy (tempo, spread, sports science, whatever). I think that CK is hiring these “up and comers” so they won’t leave the franchise as quickly as the veteren coaches have done the past couple years (Lazor, Musgrave). Its a risky move with boom or bust potential, but I think that was the mentality when Lurie hired CK in the first place. The gamble on CK looks like a boom in the making, and Lurie is now giving CK the power to build his program. In order to do so, I think he needs continuity among his coaching and front office staff. There will always be coaches and scouts coming and going, but I think the QB coach and personnel/GM carousel has to stop at least for a few years in order to attain that continuity. If you just look at the 2 teams in the Superbowl tonight, you see continuity among those coaching/front office positions. The Patriots OC/QB coach is Josh MacDaniels who has been with the team for awhile now (minus his short stints as a HC for the Broncos and OC for the Rams), and regardless of what anyone thinks about Josh McDaniels, the Patriots have seen their most successful seasons with him as QB coach and/or OC. Their Director of Player Personnel is Nick Caserio who has been with them in some capacity for 13 seasons. The Seahawks QB coach (Carl Smith) has been with the team since before the 2011 season. There
If Lynch doesn’t get a statue in Seattle..then that city is god damn stupid.
They offered him a new deal making him the highest paid RB It will be official next week
That 30 second touchdown drive might be what finally causes BB to snap and murder someone.
Chris Matthews is Reggie White’s cousin.
He should come teach Jerry Rice’s cousin how to highpoint balls.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zWQLACIAA7Azl.jpg
That comparison is one of the meanest things I’ve ever seen.
Was there any bigger bust at WR other than Limas Sweed?
He’s the ultimate H/W/S cautionary tale.
Dane Brugler
Good news so far, we can put the “Tom Brady’s the best QB ever” line to bed now. Unfortunately, Seahawks are making their third SB winning QB look mediocre at best.
OL needs to block for him. He was saving their butt getting the ball out so fast but when it’s 3rd and 6th they have to step up and give him time. I blame the line more, and I hate Brady . QB’s are only as good as their protection
Great QB’s show courage even when they have pressure bearing down on them. Constant pressure can get in any QB’s head, but his first pick was horrible. He’d been getting the ball out quick and wasn’t getting touched early. As the game’s gone on, he’s gotten hit more and it’s clearly in his head now. Doesn’t help that they can’t block Bennett at all for the last few possessions.
No they really don’t, atleast not all the time. We are watching Brady, a GREAf QB, we saw the same thing last year with Peyton, another GREAT QB…
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Btw, Foles has made a career out of playing behind bad lines having the courage the stay in the pocket willing to take a hit to deliver the ball. I want like 8 quality starting caliber Offensive lineman on our roster next year. Give shady and Foles the best chance to succeed, which in turn will help the defense
Reading this comment after the game is weird.
Don’t remind me :S Fact that he won the MVP after throwing those horrible picks makes me sick.
As we are seeing a legendary QB like Brady can’t do anything when pressured. Leave the Marriotta crap alone and worry about stacking the OL and DL. The trenches are so important. And for us OL is even more important because when our offense can’t get first diwns it puts crazy pressure on our defense. Stack the OL, Stack Front 7
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Micheal Bennett may be the best DE in the NFL a but he doesn’t get the credit because he doesn’t have the sack numbers. Tony McDaniels is a bad ass. For them to survive so well with out Mebane is so impressive
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Vinny Curry can be like Bennett for us, line up all over the the line of 3rd down when we go to the 4man line, Shame we can’t keep him long term
Vinny is our Bennett for now. I say keep him as long as possible, but he’s probably gone the first time he hits FA.
He hits free agent after the season and we can’t offer him the snaps other teams will. Bunny is gone after the season and he is like my favorite player smh… Might as well try and get value for him, 2nd round pick or a young OLB who we can sign long term because he fits our base defense better than Vinny. Only way I wouldn’t turn down value for Vinny is if we would be willing to franchise tag him after this year allowing us to keep him two more years, enough time to make a Super Bowl run with him…
Great as he’s been, I doubt we get a 2nd for him. Anything later than that is certainly not worth getting his play for another season. If he puts anything close to the numbers up that he did this season, we’ll be getting a comp pick almost as high as you think we can get a trade. You rarely get true value in trades in the NFL. Sad but true.
Dion Jordan!!! 😉
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Wish we would franchise him next year and make a super bowl run with him before we lose him
I’d prefer to transition tag him unless one of the other DL really grow into a complete player. Cox is the only really good combination run stuffer/pass rusher on the team right now. Bennie has potential but he’s not there yet. Cedric’s never going to be a great pass rusher and none of the deep reserves have shown anything close to Curry’s ability there. I’d rather have Curry than Jordan at this point.
heh
I think that’s the guard you want to sign that just got manhandled by Vince, Geagle. I agree that you need great line play, but you need your QB to be able to make plays even when your line doesn’t dominate. Brady, as great as he’s been, really doesn’t do that anymore. Wilson, despite his deficiencies as a passer, does. Difference in this game so far.
Who? James carpenter that I was suggesting signing this week? Former first round pick who was with stoutland at Alabama???
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Not the super mobile type of OL you see starting for the Eagles. But a former foreign eat Round pick has some mobility, and he is what we been lacking, a guard with some serious size at 320…they run plenty of zone reads with his fat ass in Seattle. I’m ok with giving up some mobility to add a big nasty to our Interior OL
I’d have to go back on my DVR, but it sure looked like it was him that Wilfork manhandled in 3rd and short. Even very good players get beat. Glad we’re getting a competitive game.
Yeah awesome SB… Well carpenter is the only Seahawks OL who is a free agent, and they will probably have to lose him if its true that they are about to make lunch the highest paid RB.. He doesn’t have the elite mobility you see in our OL, but they run zone reads with him just fine in free agency and I’m willing to trade some speed for 430lbs of big nasty siE we lack in our interior
I think he meant Sweezy,
Oh yeah he is awesome. They are going to extend sweezy, lynch and Wilson, maybe even Maxwell. That’s wjat will make them lose James Carpenter In Free agency… Not as fast and agile as the rest of our starters but I want one interior lineman with 320lbs of beef
I was just about to say atleast edelmen shows up in super bowls unlike Welker
Can’t help but to wonder how bellichek is cheating right now? Dude probably has remote controlled airplanes inside the footballs lol
Who will call the first trick play?
I hope WIlson pulls another one out of his butt.
From an entertainment perspective, that would be great. Since I really don’t like either team, I’m just enjoying that it’s competitive. It’s already a classic regardless of who wins.
Wow, does Wilson have this late game Super Bowl Magic?
Nah just Lynch being Atlas as always.
I hate Tom Brady for beating us and even more for losing twice to Eli and the Giants in the SB…..but he may win a SB with julian Edelman and Danny Amendola as his WR….ohh yeah Patrick Chung may get a ring…..
Lucky bastards
I know there are many on this board who aren’t fans of mobile QBs. Hard to watch this game and not notice the affect Wilson’s athleticism is having on the Patriots pass rushers. Seattle’s OL is good, but not good enough to shut the Pats out. Hasn’t mattered because Wilson has evaded the pass rush repeatedly. Can’t believe the Pats just gave up another WTF catch that may cost them the game.
Gotta score a TD……
Unreal….
Why throw it?
Fuck the Patriots
Wow. How do u not give it to the beast on the half yard line? Wow… Pete Carroll shit the bed. That’s really a horrible play call. Pete Carroll blew the chance to repeat SB champs to a u drafted free agent of the Patriots.
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Epic choke job Pete carrol
Horrible call on the goal line. Too bad there has to be a winner cause I hate both teams. Have to admit, I’m loving the looks on the Seahawks faces right now. Bet you’ll see some Tom Brady’s the best ever articles too. Oh well!!!
Agreed…..beast mode wins this game…..Carroll must have called Andy Reid about goal line plays…..
Epic choke job
Getting too freaking cute you always run the ball there with a timeout and 3 tries
And now the Seahawk’s show their true colors. What a bunch of a$$hats.
Wow. Terrible playcall, terrible throw by Russell Wilson.
Hahahah Seattle disgracing themselves
Highlight of the game now
Gronk is not an easy person to like either….
More likable than Sherman. Not that this is saying much.
WWE is up next….
Kyle Arrington, Danny amendola and Patrick Chung have SB rings….smdh…..
hey if it makes you feel bettter, eli has two
Nope…..Eli with 2 rings……smdh..
Blount gets a ring for a half season of service too and Revis gets a ring
Yes but those guys never played or were drafted by the Eagles…..
i hate that gronk and chandler jones are getting rings
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another ring for wilforks fat suasage fingers
Look at it this way..at least Alex Henery isn’t getting one.
Epic choke job, legendary choke job…followed by classless Seahawks disgracing themselves. Sherman running his mouth showing up rebus to the cameras…classless Seattle, epic choke job
reminds me of the 49ers on the goal line against the ravens a couple years ago. shit play calling literally cost you the super bowl. still surprised harbaugh doesn’t get more shit for that.
i have to vent for a sec; YOU HAVE THE BALL ON THE GOAL LINE AND YOU RUN THAT FUCKING PLAY WHEN LYNCH IS IN THE BACK FIELD! THAT PIECE OF SHIT OC FOR SEATTLE NEEDS TO BE FUCKING FIRED LIKE 5 MINUTES AGO. HOW DO YOU FUCK THAT UP?
ok, im done. i just reallllllllllllllllllllly hate the patriots.
My sentiments exactly.
Bet Marshawn has something to say now
Lynch: i’m coming to philly
“im bout that holding my dick while we piss away the game throwing INT on the goal line boss…”
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foles wouldnt be allowed back in philly if he threw that pick lol
Can’t put that one on the QB unless he changed the play
as if our fans are rational lol… you know they would blame nick and hate him foirever for it
Disagree with you there. It was a terrible, terrible playcall and Bevell deserves the majority of the blame, but Wilson chose to unload the ball while looking right at both his intended receiver and Butler, and unless he was blind had to see that the latter hadn’t been dislodged by the pick and was in position to play the ball. Awful decision to call that play, equally awful decision to attempt to follow through with it.
Wilson actually did exactly what he’s supposed to do on that play. It’s a pure timing play and Wilson put it exactly where he was supposed to put it. Better play by the corner. Tip your cap in that situation, but never should have been in that situation because you were a yard away with both enough downs and a T.O. in your pocket. Run the R/O, run a Lynch dive. Run the !@$# ball period.
He looked a bit early with the throw. Are you really going to lead the receiver by couple yards at the endzone line, or are you going to give him a chance to shield the ball with his body. Regardless, what a ridiculously terrible playcall!
Butler with the obvious trip of Lockette that saved a big play…..then was in on the lease play and then makes a pick……crazy turn of events for him…..
I can never get over that call why don’t you run it
that play call has to be in the top 5 of bad play calls of all time, it has to be, right?
I rank it right behind Switzer going for it on 4th down twice with the same play.
i mean i get it if you have no TOs and no way to stop the clock, but they had 1 fucking TO left.
Yep. Everyone knows the call there is a shovel pass.
i was thinking half back option pass myself, but that’s just me.
Flea flicker or razzle dazzle for sure 😛
It gets the Andy Reid bad goalline call of the year award
Legendary choke job
Now you know deflate gate is getting swept under the rug. NFL will never say a word about if again, just keep saying no comment til everyone stops talking about it… Smh
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Pissed that Gronk and Chandler Jones got rings.
McCourty is going to cost a ton.
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Edited: That’s a play that killed a dynasty
It just did lol
Love to hear from Sherman and lynch now lol
Well… whoever’s decision it was to call that slant should probably start polishing their resume. Lol.
Isn’t someone waiting to hire him as the head coaxj? lol the Falcons or something?
No thats seattle d coordinator
Think that’s the D-coordinator.
oh lol thank god…. imagine if you had a deal in place and you were going to announce hiring that dude as your headcoach tomorrow! bwahahaha what would you do? lol
Shoot myself. I half expect to hear that Seattle’s O-coordinator shot himself tomorrow.
As soon as that interception happened I went and got another beer. Gonna be a looooooong offseason of Tom Brady knob slobbering.
Poetic justice would be for the Pats to get slapped with losing their coach for repeated cheating violations . . . AFTER they win the SB. SMH
The punishment should be Belichek isn’t allowed on the sideline unless he is in a shirt and tie.
I give your punishment about the same odds as I do mine 😛 none
Why not? The NBA has a dress code for coaches requiring a suit or slacks and sport jacket, and a collared shirt.
Sadly, a jacket and tie would violate the NFL’s rule requiring coaches to wear sportswear from sponsors.
When Mike Nolan was a head coach, the NFL find him a huge amount for wearing a suit and tie to honor his father after he died. Nolan’s father had been a head coach in the NFL
How does a hoodie with sleeves removed work to sell more sportswear, though?
i don’t know why i get so worked up over these stupid fucking games but im literally shaking right now bc im so angry. as soon as i saw wilson drop back i thought to myself, “wtf are they doing, that’s a bad play call”
Even against the Pats, I couldn’t find the strength to root for the Seahawks. Sherman is an ass and the team showed such bad sportsmanship at the end, I am glad they lost. Even if it means more Pat worship.
“Tom Brady looked me right in the eye and was emphatic he did nothing wrong”
Yes Chris because guilty people always break down in tears and confess their crimes because you asked them to look you in the eye. Jesus he’s not a 4 year old.
Someone bury me and dig me up when next season starts.
bet hernandez looked him in the eye and promised him he was a boyscout
Kraft always sounds like he just chugged a bottle of whiskey
despise him
I loved how after his wife died he was running around with that model like a week later. Class act that guy. How he gets a pass as some sort of model owner is beyond me.
It was mentioned that the Patricia guy DC for NE maybe considered as a HC? Is that for real??? Look appearance is not everything but a DC should not be seen wearing their hat backwards on tv, unkept beard and pencil behind the ear as the face of any franchise……
he’ll be another 1 in a long line of the bellichick coaching tree to crash and burn on their own (weiss, crennell, mcdaniels)
This is seahawks season from eagles fan perspective:
lost to cowboys
beat eagles
snatched defeat out of jaws of victory from the evil empire in the superbowl
Haha, dun dun da dun dun da dun dun da dun… Sometimes the bad guys win.
Seattle outplayed 2 weeks in a row. Finally ran out if luck
Kurt Warner bringing out the trophy is so ironic…..as Kurt warmers heavily favored Rams were the first super bowl for Tom Brady…..
and then the patriots brought out the camera equipment!
the original spygate
i would pay anything to be a fly in seattle locker room right now lol
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watching Pats win makes me sick, but watching seattle choke away a dynasty was amazing…
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u cant take Kraft. i want to die
Interesting contrast between how Pack handled epic collapse.
Versus how Seattle handles epic failure from 3 feet away
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Standing w @Seahawks as they walk thru tunnel and one says best back in football and we throw the ball on one yard line
yes!!!!!
When did we trade them McCoy?
I’m a homer and will rep for Shady any time, but he’s not the best back in football.
i said last year that lynch was the best back in the NFL because out of shady, AP and Demarco, Lynch is the only one who consistently preforms well in playoff games against top defenses that are focused on stopping him and shady has shit the bed in the playoffs…everyone disagreed…. lynch sure looks like the top back now lol
i think that’s the entire world’s sentiment
this superbowl would be awesome if as soon as the game ended the cameras took us to seattle locker room right now instead of watching the patriot win ceramony,… it would be perfect if the game ended and all the post game coverage was about the losers lol
Reality show broadcast later. Bring in more ratings and money for the NFL.
Nahhh the best would be for bud light to ask me if I was up for anything and I said yes…..of course up for anything would mean that I woulf get to witness a night of debauchery with gronk and his entourage (his brothers….spiky hair and all) in Phoenix…….
Why are coaches so in love with passes from the 2 yd line and in?
Carroll allowed that call to go in. He’s as responsible as OC Bevell.
Green Bay fans feel like they won the lottery
And Seattle may have use every ounce of karma to get 1 yard away from two SBs in a row. They should never get close again
That was a Hall of Shame call. Of the millions of people watching the game, there must have been only a handful to who didn’t realize that Beast Mode was going to carry the ball into the endzone. Oddly, a couple of those knuckleheads were calling plays for the Seahwaks.
Bevell texted Andy for a play suggestion.
That was the worst Super Bowl I have ever seen. There is now way the refs were trying to officiate an honest game, Pats were given that game.
Im done with football after that, the fix is in. I will come back ONLY after we can pay for OUR superbowl
Only real bad call I saw was missing Butler tripping Lockette.
Yeah besides that I thought the game was officiated fine, the coaching at the end in the other hand….
I couldn’t believe Belichick let the clock run … Only t out coached by Carroll by not running the ball
Two elite coaches having meltdowns
Good observation, I too watched the clock run down without Belichick calling a TO and thought “WTF is he doing???”. If Carroll didn’t out-stupid him there, that would be the late game coaching decision we’d all be talking about.
And also Carroll allowing his team to commit a penalty when they were in position to force a safety…
And the “running into the kicker” over “roughing the kicker,” which would have favored New England.
I’ll give that but looked like he flopped to me.(didn’t rewatch that play)
Bad call by the officials on that. Clearly was roughing by the rules. Doesn’t matter if he flops, you hit the plant leg, it’s roughing.
Bad calls in the first half don’t matter nearly as much as bad calls in the second half.
U have the best short yardage back in the nfl at the 1 yard line and u try tossing it to your nobody WR???
this shit must be fixed, no other logical explanation here.
They were everywhere man wait till the all 22 and screen shots come out.
That “Missed” call was a microcosm of everything wrong with officiating.
It’s alright….we will see you back next week as we get ready for free agency and the upcoming draft…..
I hope I’m over reacting but the NFL NEEDS to look at this officiating problem. EXTREME INCOMPETENCE or PPL ARE BEING BOUGHT
politicians are bought…why not refs too
Im utterly depressed about this and will only watch if the Eagles are in SB
You hope has come true
If it came down to buying off the refs, no one is going to outbid Paul Allen.
Matthews nearly pushed Pats DB to the ground on long pass at end of 1st half.
Seattle got a dose of “we dare you to call everything” from Pats.
And Edelman didn’t push off on his TD?
Gronk is the only one I have professional respect for on that team , and its only a little
Matthews gave a full two handed push.
Vintage Irvin
The refs were letting them play — which usually favors the Seahawks secondary — and that was within 5 yards anyways. Lot of handfighting between the two.
And that DB was ALL over his arm so thats a wash…hand checking
I’ve seen some horrible officiating and I’ve bitched loudly about it on more than a few occasions. Really didn’t see a bunch of one-sided calls this game. As Greg noted, the missed tripping call was the worst and it wasn’t that egregious a missed call. Both secondaries got away with murder.
Like Tripping a wide open receiver with your arm on the Second to last drive?
The officials took a ‘let em play’ mentality with both secondaries. I don’t remember any PI calls this game and I can’t imagine Seattle playing an entire game w/o mugging someone. I get that you hate that Pats and I’m not a fan of theirs either, but it was an evenly called game.
You’re very fortunate to have missed some truly god-awful Super Bowls if what you say is true.
Worst officiated ******** I have hated the Patriots since ’04 with a beyond Cowboys passion
Worst aspect of the bowl to me was the halftime show. Perry sounds good post-produced but not great live. The only reason people(or guys at least) are for visual entertainment and she comes out in some red drape. I realize that was to make the costume change convenient but still….
I enjoyed the show, thought it was well done.
Meh she’s pretty but the show itself was whatever
meh aldous snow’s sloppy seconds lol
Making me search Aldous snow smh lol
she was married to russel Brand, aldous snow was his charecter in the moview forgetting sarah marshall and get him to the greek…. Brand dumped?divorced her
C’mon, who doesn’t love dancing sharks
My biggest WTF moment of the half time show.
Her market is teens and pre-teens – great show for the under 15 crowd.
My 6 year old’s favorite “artist” is KP and my wife thinks Lenny is hot. It was a big hit for them. Too bad the audio was homemade Youtube-video bad.
LOB lost to Gronk and the loli pop kids(danny and Julian)
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big bad seattle D blew 10 point lead
That does lessen the sting of the Cheatriots winning their fourth.
just remember man, life isn’t fucking fair
Once Cliff Avril went out, Seattle pass rush disappeared
Quickness vs size and speed. We saw Reid’s quick offenses get the better of some big and fast Giants teams for a while there. Vereen, Amendola, and especially Edelman gave them fits all night. Big people do not always beat up little people it seems.
yup, smart to go that route… cant out physical them, use your lack of size as advantage instead of liability
too bad we don’t have that. We can only really play one way.
Packers would have won in a route.
The coaching in the NFL can be a head scratcher
i dunno… Pats DBs were solid in coverage tonight..
Well Seattle doesn’t have Cobb,Nelson,Boykin AND Rodgers
Sure were.
would have liked to see such awesome secondaries go up against quality WR corp.,..like last year LOB vs, Broncos pass catchers,… would have been cool to see Pats secondary vs. GB
Great call. With two weeks to prepare Belichick can concoct great schemes.
He just hasn’t figured out how to stop freak passing plays in the last two minutes
Really well prepared. Even with all the big plays from Seattle. The play at the goal line by Butler was pure preparation
That was a really crazy game. Thoroughly enjoyed, so many surprises, Chris Matthews?? A WTF catch, a wtf play call. Late game ejection. Definitely the 2 best teams in the nfl beating the pissed out of each other.
Need to hear from Belichick on what Seattle and Pats were doing at the goal line
I’m referring to D3FB
stack, pick play
No. I don’t mean with respect to the play that Seattle called. I mean, why did Seattle call the pass and not run. And why were the Pats letting the clock run down to zero with Seattle at the 1 yard line and Lynch in the backfield
Yeah, I thought those were both the wrong calls. One more wrong than the other, of course.
I had to rewind the game to make sure Lynch was in the backfield. I thought maybe he had gotten hurt, or something, the only possible reason for not giving him the ball in that situation.
I can’t imagine why Belichick was letting the clock wind down. I wonder if he was simple overwhelmed after that crazy catch by Kearse.
pete carrols explanation was ridiculous lol
The explanation could be that he wanted to force a pass play. Its was second down, and clearly 4 down situation so three downs to play. If he takes the timeout, seattle would have enough time to run it three times. By allowing the clock to run you effectively force the hawks to throw it at least once out of the three. This is of course assuming that seattle will need all three downs, and the obvious playcall here would still have been to run Lynch on the second down. I think Belichik was gamling that they could keep him out of the endzone on that 2nd down and effectively force a throw on the third due to lack of time time. He probably felt that his DBs stood a better chance than his Dline of coming up with a play. If which case he was right.
Crazy ending
Sometimes you think you’re clever but you’re only outsmarting yourself
Yes. Why do coaches complicate this stuff.
Run the damn ball
ACViking, you keep beating me to the comments!
You run the ball especially when you have a guy like Lynch who excels in those goaline situations.
My guess: he thought he was outsmarting what he figured Belichick was going to do. So, basically Belichick was in his head.
Belichicks precognitive abilities foretold what was to pass.
They just outsmarted themselves. They likely wanted to save the last timeout for after 3rd down. If they ran and got stuffed, then New England is going to keep jumping on the pile, stalling getting the ball back to the refs, trying to eat clock. By the time the ball for 3rd down would be set the clock would be getting real short.
I get the thought process, they figured they would throw early before they were pigeonholed into it by the clock, and as far as the play call, it’s a pretty high percentage play, and if you walk somebody out for a fade they are going to send tall ass Browner for a jump ball.
Thx makes sense
pete carrol addressed it
Ohh and the TD unsportsmanlike call that Baldwin got…..I think his TD celebration was standing over the ball and acting like he pulled down his pants and taking a crap…..can anyone confirm……
Something must have happened because they never showed the act that resulted in the penalty.
You were right: http://larrybrownsports.com/football/doug-baldwin-dump-penalty-video/254066
Thanks for confirm homey……this SB was just crazy with plays and silly behavior…..
seattle simplistic scheme played agains them tonight,. bellichek schemed for it perfectly turning their lack of size into a strength by attack with speed of edleman, amendola, vereen…i appreciate doing what you do, but you cant be so simplistic against a coach,QB like bellichek and Brady…. seattle should have added some wrinkles and actually disguise some defense for a change
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if a great QB knows exactly what the defense will do, you are playing with fire.
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should have caught them off guard mixed in some different coverages and even disguise them for a change
Nick would have torn them apart.
Ohh lord……
Not really. Up 24-14. If they had any playmakers at WR, game could have been far worse…and if Avril doesn’t go out with the concussion, Seattle doesn’t lose this game. All they had to do was double Bennett at that point. Solder was holding his own against Irvin
Well it’s an hour later and I still can’t believe that happened.
bring on free agency
The thrill for Seattle fans of beating Green Bay…
More then outweighed by the agony of blowing the Super Bowl from 3 feet away
Lots of angry bettors I suspect
You know what I can’t wrap my head around? Not just that they called a pass on 2nd down from the 1 with a timeout left and Lynch in the backfield, but that they called THAT pass.
Why a slant on the goal line with your midget ass quarterback??
Why not some sort of run option or bootleg or some shit? If you’re gonna throw it there why throw it right into Wilson’s biggest weakness?
Just a mind boggling call on so many levels.
I can get that with 3 downs left and only 1 timeout, one of the 2 plays between 2nd and 3rd down was going to be a throw…
but why THAT throw? Makes no sense. Throw a goddamn fade or something. Anything but that.
Didn’t that feel like Pete Carroll call Andy for advice there? “Look brother, they know you have Marshawn Lynch, everyone in the universe knows you’re going to run, pass the ball, they’ll never see it coming”
Of course Reid would have done some sort of roll out of the pocket.
There is some serious emotion on this board tonight, and I think they had a ptsd episode and think Reid just lost the Eagles another Super Bowl
Play was there. Wilson needed to throw a half second sooner and its a TD. Great break by the CB. Still should have given it to Lynch, but it was there.
No, it wasn’t. Butler read the play and the pick didn’t take him out. He was in position all the way. Just a terrible play call and a terrible decision to unload the ball by Wilson.
The big disappointment is that we could have had another Pats lose on freak catch storyline to carry us through the next Super Bowl appearance by New England, if there ever was going to be one
Tom Brady was ridiculous tonight.
He put 28 up on one of the best Defenses in HISTORY.
Patriots went in with gameplan to nickel-and-dime Seattle to death. And they did.
I thought Edelman should have been the MVP because of Brady’s 2 picks though, neither was pretty.
Pick any Patriot named Brady and you’d have a better selection imho.
Great point
And If Brady is just a bit more careful, this is an easy Pats win. Of at least not the crazy ending we had
Yep.
The 2nd pick was a great play by Wagner. The 1st was Nick Foles-ian.
But 28 points without a stud WR (unless you count Edelman?) says it all.
No question about it that Brady is a great, great player.
But the Pats’ offense is pretty damn talented. Granted no elite WR, but Edelman and Amendola do their jobs well, Gronkowski is the best TE in football, the offensive line is excellent, and their running backs are both good players and complement each other well. Plus they have the best coach of the last 30 years designing game plans. He’s not doing it with smoke and mirrors.
Who the hell is Malcolm Butler? And why didn’t the Eagles sign him?
Saw a tweet saying Michael Lombardi was a big supporter of his. Visited him at West Alabama, convinced Belichick to sign him as an UDFA.
That’s interesting.
Really beating the bushes
Lombardi’s most success seems to be with Belichick
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 50m50 minutes ago
True Story: Michael Lombardi is the one that went down to West Alabama to scout and write up Malcolm Butler. Pushed him on BB after draft.
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler 29m29 minutes ago
Good for Mike Lombardi. Tough situation a year ago the way things ended in Cleveland. DB Malcolm Butler was his guy for the #Patriots
Thx
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Who knew Chris Matthews before this game? He’s the Matthews I want.
Who is that guy? I mean, where’d he come from?
Reggie White’s cousin apparently. Jerry Rice’s cousin could learn a lot about going up and getting the ball from Reggie White’s cousin.
Rookie?
His 4th year. He was in the 2011 draft.
So, we got the wrong Malcolm for safety and the wrong Mathews for WR last off season?
(Note: I am merely highlighting the odd symmetry, not suggesting a true observation.)
He can turn his head and make plays on the ball. Obviously that disqualifies him according to the Eagles.
Judging by his quickness, he probably isn’t big enough
Nice.
More likely to become a historical footnote or trivia answer than a 10 year player.
Like David Tyree?
I doubt Chip Kelly has any issues with Marynowitz’s NCAA violations.
If Belichick and Carroll’s success proves anything, it’s that you have to be willing to break the rules to get ahead. I think Kelly understands that and is willing to do whatever it takes.
What we learned from this game
Get a Michael Bennet
Get a tall WR that’s pretty much open when not open
Get a Marshawn Lynch
Get 4 good CBs
Get a safety to constantly hammer Gronk
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Super Bowl win
??? = Get a Tom Brady, or if unavailable, Russell Wilson.
we can’t talk about that here!!!!!! be quiet!!
Vinny Curry is our Michael Bennet.
B:
Will birds be able to keep Curry past 2015?
Too early to say. Too many moving variables. Who do you extend? Who do you bring in? Does Foles become the guy and get a big ass extension? Do we have to mortgage our future drafts to get a QB this year or next, as that will limit our ability to acquire talent for cheap. How well do the 14/15 classes contribute, as the more starters you have on rookie deals, the more you have to spend on luxury pieces. How do you get his snap counts up enough to justify spending 6/7/8 million a year on him. Last year he played 32%. Cox played 79.5%, Logan and Ceddy both at 55%.
That’s a hell of a lot of uncertainty
vinny is gone
get a receiver from the CFL that is slower than the opponent’s DBs and then throw him back shoulder passes.
??? = actually use the best short yardage back in the game to get the final yard.
Don’t tell that to Pete Caroll.
That “we had to waste a down so since we only had one timeout so we could win on third or fourth down” line of BS was the worst excuse I have heard in a while. I bet Caroll is aware of the fact that if he wins on second down, third and fourth down become irrelevant.
horrible excuse…. Carrol, Bevel, Wilson choked away a dynasty
I guess this game kinda goes against the old adage that offense sells tickets and defense wins games, relatively of course.
Did Big Red call that pass for the Hawks?
It would have been a shovel pass to Lynch.
woke up and still can’t believe they passed the ball there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B80q2eQCIAIe1Ox.png
what is our takeaway from the Pats? they just paper cut you to death. All game Seattle could barely stop them. The only pass catcher with a lot of talent is Gronk. Is it just a perfectly tuned timing offense?
My other takeaway is coaching is so, so important. We saw GB lose because McCarthy is a scaredy cat. Then the pass at the goal line by Carroll was unbelievable, but he went for it right before the half and I think he is very good. But Belicheat’s teams never seem to run out of time or beat themselves. Never.
Edleman’s got a ton of talent too. Excellent route runner, good hands, always picks up decent YAC and he’s tough as heck. Pats don’t win that game without him.
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some humble pie for wilson who was talking about wanting to win 6 superbowl rings to tie Micheal Jordans 6 championships… slow down kid, worry about getting 2 and 3 before you talk about winning 6 of them, hasnt Lebron taught you anything…
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wonder what effect this collapse has on the seahawks.. word is Lynch is going to sign an extension making him highest paid RB, as he should be. Wilson will get Paid, Jr Sweezy will get extended, does Maxwell have a bad taste in his mouth and decides he wants to stay in seattle to get payback, or does he still plan on being “the prettiest girl at the dance and signing with the biggest bidder?”.
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what effects will these signings have on the other players? they will have to lose some starters like James Carpenter, Malcolm Smith……….and if they lose Maxwell,
Tharold simon probably isnt the answer
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curious to see what this collapse does to their future, are they all pissed off, and intend on staying to go get revenge next year or are they all leaving for the highest bidder?
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big winner Brandon Browner, won a ring with Seattle last year, left and won a ring with Patriots
I guess God decided he should lose this one so the next 5 will be even sweeter.
i want to put on sports center and relive the seattle epic choke job collapse, but i cant stomach seeing the patriot celebration.
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Pats won the SB which means deflate gate is completely going to be swept under the rug
Brady winning kind of embarrassing for Peyton… brady got it done without the pass catching firepower that the broncos had. peyton was blown out of the superbowl
true but this is related to my question below, how do the Pats do it? Finding someone like Edelman is easier than finding your Dez Bryant type receiver. The Pats just nickel and dime you to death. Was there any pass Brady made that made you go holy sh$t like Rodgers does?
So is it scheme or what? I really want to know what people think. 6 SB’s later you can’t just say it’s luck. I know a lot is Brady.
Agreed.
To add, I think a lot of the Foles comparisons get detoured into discussions of who is slower. The reason Brady should be held up as a comparison is because Brady didn’t come into the league with any remarkable otherworldly ability below the neck. I hate to say it, but Brady personifies the American Dream in the modern interpretation.
they had the perfect scheme to attack the weaknesses of seatles simplistic defense… seattle runs the same think on defense over and over.. only difference is sometimes they let the safeties “Lurk”
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go back and watch how Chargers beat seattle, dinking and dunking up field…you have to have the patience to keep taking the 4-5 yard passes…. seattle prides itself on no disguise, lineup, do the same thing on defense over and over again, opponent knows exactly what your doing and they manage to stop you…. kind of disrespectful to let Bellichek and Brady know exactly what your defense will do and give them two weeks to prepare for it… that works against most teams but you are playing with fire allowing Brady and Bellichek to know what you are doing
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seattle should have caught them off guard threw in some new coverages Pats werent preparing for, maybe actually try to disguise your defense every once in a while…. they were cocky and thought they could line up and let everyone know what they are doing and beat you anyway, and they got away with it up until they ran into an elite QB with a smart headcoach and two weeks to prepare…. how do you let bellichek know exactly what you will do and give him two weeks to prepare?
this is the Pats offense. It’s not like they installed a new offense. Yes once in awhile they run a lot (against Colts for example) if you can’t stop the run, but they just throw short.
My question, more broadly, is what can the Eagles copy? Completing 5 yard passes without having to pay any WR or RB huge money seems better than spending $11M on Maclin and $10M on Shady. I just watch the Pats and think how is this happening, time and time again.
They also NEVER beat themselves. I’ve never seen them do what the Seahawks just did, or GB the week before.
When you have Brady and Bellichek, everything is easier.
yes but our plan can’t be to get Brady and Belicheck.
They have the best coach, who is super disciplined. But how to you beat size? Quickness. David v. Goliath. NE luckily has size in Gronk and Lafell, and power with blunt but if they need quickness they’ve had those guys for years (edelman, amendola, welker, woodhead, vareen). So they can do different things to beat you.
We can do what the Pats did all day, use Ertz and machin to clear out an entire Zone and throw the ball to sproles all day like they did with Vereen. I disagree about the pats offense, they have no offense because they morph into so many different types of offense, some time u see west coast sinking dunking, other times they look like Alabama. The genius of patriot offense is that they have no offense. They are liable to look completely different one week to the next
I don’t know…Brady has Beli-cheater…Peyton never had that. It’s also like saying Eli is twice as better than Peyton — which isn’t true.
russel wilson completes 12 passes in a superbowl…. kind of pathetic
he only had 4 attempts until a few minutes left before half. Do you think he was still concussed from the GB game or what?
that never crossed my mind, its possible…
it wasn’t just passes completed, it was attempts. Their game plan esp first half was we are going to run and run and run, even though they were not having much success.
I don’t know if the was scheme or playing to their own team strengths….
Didn’t have his first completion until halfway through the second quarter iirc.
Egads — this article is like talking yourself into the only girl left at 2 am in a bar. Chip Kelly hired him. That’s all I needed for this hire.
seattle built a bomb squad while paying its QB in circus peanuts. What happens now that its time to pay the pipe and Wilson and Beastmode are going to eat up a significant piece of the cap? they might lose 3 solid players because of how much they have to pay Lynch and Wilsom
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curious to see if they can maintain there level of recent excellence now that they actually have to pay fair price for the services they will get from their QB
The Seahawks has more cap space than we have right now, so not sure they are in any problems.
They are going to give Lynch a massive contract and they still have to pay Wilson and Wagner. They are going to run into problems down the road.
Lynch already costs 8 mill against the cap.
His “massive” contract is most likely just a PR stunt and will most likely only count 1-2 mill more against the cap.
In 2015 Wilson’s and Wagner’s contracts wont be that heavy and consider how the cap keeps going up it will migate a lot of it
And they are about to give sweezy a big extension. They are about to make lunch the highest paid RB and they have to give Wilson. Whatever he wants. Laughable to pretend they are in better cap situation then us just because they have more money today
Yeah the high school films of a highly touted 3-star let alone 4-star or 5-star recruit are really that important . . . not the visibility of the program or all of the benefits that coming with a being a friend of the program including the women and extra benefits.
Looks like it isn’t just Eagles fans. Per Grantland’s Jason Gallagher:
“Let’s be mature about this. No jokes about how the spirit of Andy Reid possessed Carroll’s body like a demon. To say that Reid used Carroll’s body as a host would be silly. To suggest this somehow made Reid stronger … I mean, take this seriously, man. How ridiculous would it be to suggest that, as a result of Reid’s invasion of Carroll’s body, Reid became an even more powerful spiritual entity, hell-bent on destroying the NFL forever.”
Honorable mention to Grantland’s Andrew Sharp’s excellent analysis of the final moments of the game as well:
“Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn?
[Deep breath.]
Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn?
(How long will this question last?)
Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn? Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn?
[That could’ve been such a perfect ending, and it will bum me out for eternity and it only gets worse the more I—]
Why wouldn’t you run it with Marshawn?
[Passes out.] “
Besides, how would anyone think Andy could fit in Caroll’s body?
God. Was. I. Drunk.
Who won?
No one. Mankind is a little poorer than we were 24 hours ago.
In that context, by being too drunk to remember watching I think we can say GermanEagle won.
Win. The. Day.
On chip Kelly’s note there’s some bloody Mary’s in the waiting.
If you wake up and see friends on facebook ranting about the playcall then you know you didn’t miss anything.
Going into this bowl I was torn on who to root against more. The Patriots beat us in spygate and Tom Brady’s on field temper tantrums have to be the worst in the NFL. On the other hand at least we played them in the big game. The Seahawks beat us in NFCship when I felt we should have won and I really think we would have beat the Steelers.
Taking that aside with a slight edge in personality going toward the Pats, despite neither team shining through, I decided to resign myself to wanting to see greatness.
Now we have seen it and we will never hear the end of it. I regret my decision.
Who cried?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/02/01/usa-today-ad-meter-2015-super-bowl-money/22378605/
great commercial….the dog is family member in my household and is routinely spoiled….a great book to read is the “Art of Racing in the Rain”…great story told from a dog’s point of view about his owner who happens to be a race car driver….this is a quick beach read…..hard to not tear up when reading that one….think your a tough guy…..the book will test you….
worst coaching move in super bowl history .
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all I could think of was when the Giants used to pound us with BRandon Jacobs and I feared every play wud be another bone crushing run .. but they would pass and give us hope.. and couldn’t understand why they ever passed!!
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actually Steven A made the best point and he is right ..the massive ego that cheated at USC and let his players do all their talking and those 12th men who all left the stadium early .. that’s a mindset and that’s the mind that thought they could do no wrong ..
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ha! a pass play at the 1 !!
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makes Fat Andy’s clueless super bowl time management dizziness move into 2nd worst slot now.
Revis apparently called McCourty the best safety he’s ever played with. I don’t think he gets out of NE, worst case he gets tagged, and they work something out next year once revis is gone.
Might be easier to look toward SEA, Lynch is rightly going to get $10m a year even though he’s 30. Especially now. Wilson will probably get $20, but I could also see him take $15 so they can keep the team together. I think they come back hungrier next year b/c they gave that game away.
10M a year….for how long???……this will be a contract that has big numbers but very little guaranteed…..the way Lynch plays…..he will drop off like a cliff……but damn is he fun to watch…..Last night from the 1, I think half the men in America making biff, bam, boom noises in their head as the were certain that beast mode was going to run it…..nope…..a damn pass play that got picked….
I thought it was guaranteed Lynch TD. He ran through 8 man boxes for 100yd game. Though Pats limited a lot of RO stuff, i was impressed with their discipline.
I can’t see him grttingn $10M a year. I could def see Russell taking less for benefit of the team. Scary thing is a lot of their “key” players are locked up. Sherman, Kam, Earl, Bennett, Avril. Wagner is next after this year.
Already done — highest outside of AP I can’t see him getting $10M a year.
Shady getting $12 probably didn’t help the seahawks at all.
I’m with you it’s been done. Lynch is a lot closer to the end of his career than Shady and AP when they got their deals. Not saying it won’t or that he doesn’t deserve it given his impact on that offense.
Just I don’t see the Hawks doing it. We’ll find out soon enough though.
Marynowitz has some believers, and that isn’t bad, but Alabama’s success on the field while he was there is hardly a calling card for him. Saban had a strong program at LSU, and when he cancelled on the Dolphins he headed for Tuscaloosa and hit the ground running. The week Saban was hired at Alabama, SEC country was licking its collective wounds. Four and five-star recruits from Florida, Texas and California were said to be ringing his phone off the hook. I used this axiom before, but it fits like a glove: Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. Marynowitz may be exceedingly qualified to locate the gems amidst the coal, but his resume doesn’t guarantee it. And if he is no more effective at building a roster than Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland or Andy Reid, then Chip had better have a plan B.
Great research, Tommy! I have no problem with this choice. Established personnel guys in the NFL weren’t going to make a lateral move like the Seattle guy to work with Chip. Gaine from the Texans may have taken the job but he got a promotion. Polian Jr. hasn’t done much since he is on his own with the Jags, so not big loss there. The other thing about Ed is what some of the Alabama players said about him. I read one quote from AJ McCaron, the last QB to win a championship and it was a glowing report on Ed. (Can’t find it). My one question is that I thought Ed was from Media, PA- so how did he wind up playing HS ball in FL?