More On Hundley

Posted: February 12th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 225 Comments »

I hope everyone enjoyed Tyler Aston’s take on UCLA QB Brett Hundley. Very good stuff.

I have very mixed feelings on Brett Hundley. He has the potential to be a good NFL starter, but I can also see him struggling to ever play well. I think he made a huge mistake by not going to the Senior Bowl. He could have helped himself a lot, on and off the field.

Hundley certainly looks the part of an NFL QB. He’s big and strong. He runs well and has a good arm. The problem is that I have questions in the 2 most important categories – accuracy and decision-making. UCLA ran a really simple pass offense that had Hundley throwing to his primary target most of the time. And many of those plays were at or behind the line of scrimmage. We don’t have enough information to know that Hundley can consistently understand coverages and read through his progressions.

There are times when Hundley makes great throws and really looks the part. He will also throw some poor passes and look awkward at times. His pocket awareness ranges from mediocre to awful. He had poor blocking at UCLA, but didn’t help matters. There were many times when he seemed oblivious to the rushers closing in on him. You love a QB that can stay focused on his receivers and not the rusher, but this went beyond that. Hundley seemed clueless that he was about to be hit a lot of the time. That’s not good.

I can see where some teams will have a 1st round grade on Hundley, while others won’t have him on their draft boards at all.

Aside from skills, it is hard for me to make a compelling case for Hundley. Tom Brady was 20-5 as a starter. I watched him lead Michigan to a late come-from-behind win over Penn State in 1999. I saw him beat Alabama 35-34 in OT in the 2000 Orange Bowl. I saw Drew Brees lead Purdue to the Rose Bowl and play some epic games against Big Ten powers. I saw Cam Newton carry Auburn on his back to a national title. I saw RG3 do some great things at Baylor and really put that program on the map. I watched Colin Kaepernick lead Nevada to upsets over Top 10 Boise State teams in consecutive years. And on and on and on.

Hundley? He helped UCLA win games and go to bowls, but didn’t do anything special. I’m not saying the guy had to play in a BCS game or win the Heisman, but I don’t know if there was ever a really compelling game or part of a game for Hundley. He was a good player on a good team. UCLA went 29-11 in his 3 years. They swept USC, but never beat Oregon or Stanford. They played 3 so-so bowl games and went 2-1.

Simply put, I never watched Hundley play and said “That guy is definitely an NFL starter.”

I do like Hundley more than EJ Manuel, who went in the mid-1st. Hundley reminds me of a better passing version of Kaepernick, who went in the early 2nd. Hundley has a chance to go early. But I still struggle to say that I think he’ll succeed in the NFL.

Does Hundley fit the Eagles? Maybe. He would be the kind of running threat Chip Kelly would like in this offense. I like his downfield accuracy, which is helpful in keeping the defense honest and opening up the running game. Hundley is comfortable with the short, quick throws that Kelly likes to use. My question is how he’ll handle 3rd/8 in the 4th Qtr when the Eagles are down a TD. Can he sit in the pocket, read the defense, find the correct receiver and then get him the ball? I have very serious doubts about that.

Interviews are going to be critical for Hundley. He’s got to convince NFL teams that he can run an NFL offense and be a consistently good passer.

I keep going back and forth on Hundley. As of right now, I’d prefer the Eagles not draft him. If you could invest a 3rd round pick in him and try to develop Hundley, that would be one thing. Pick 20? No thanks.

Kelly might feel differently. He used a 4th round pick to draft a Senior QB from a team that used a pro style offense. Matt Barkley has not panned out so far. Hundley is the anti-Barkley. Hundley has the size and skills of an NFL starter. Kelly wouldn’t have to worry about his raw tools. Kelly would simply have to coach the bad habits out of Hundley and develop him as a passer.


225 Comments on “More On Hundley”

  1. 1 Mr. Toledo said at 12:15 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    All I know is, if you guys think foles holds onto the ball long…..this guy took 125 sacks in 3 years. On top of him being a running qb. No way he holds up

  2. 2 D3FB said at 1:39 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Mariotta took 31 sacks this year playing behind 2 top 100 picks.
    Hundley took 38 behind a dumpster fire.

  3. 3 Mr. Toledo said at 2:42 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    That’s why we should just go with neither. Save the picks for online depth and secondary….

  4. 4 D3FB said at 2:51 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    And if 2014 Foles shows up again?

  5. 5 Anders said at 2:54 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    We are in worse position in 2016 than if we draft a Hundley or Petty this year.

  6. 6 Mitchell said at 10:18 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Or Grayson. I think we pick a qb up. It doesn’t have to be a first, just someone Chip likes.

  7. 7 fran35 said at 11:48 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Foles in 2014 was erratic and inconsistent playing behind a “dumpster fire” of an offensive line. However, he did not play terrinly enough that you can write him off. Foles in 2013 looked like a very good young player with a chance to be a quality NFL starter. I tend to think Foles falls somewhere in between average starter and good NFL starter. I think the odds of Hundley getting there are too risky to warrant a 1st round pick, which is what will likely be needed to land him.

  8. 8 Buge Halls said at 12:49 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    You mean the 2014 Foles when he went 6-2? With a possibility for 8-0 if it weren’t for a couple dropped TD passes that were right in the hands of the receiver! Sounds good to me. If he has a complete line, maybe he won’t get pummeled.

  9. 9 mksp said at 12:51 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    What do you think his record would have been without unsustainable D/ST touchdowns?

    Do you watch the games or just check the papers the next day?

  10. 10 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:52 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    6-2, but he also threw 10 interceptions and was bailed out by the defense amd special teams

  11. 11 D3FB said at 2:58 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Also it’s not a great secondary class. Waynes won’t be there at 20, Collins is a box safety, Peters isn’t happening and everybody else is a high variance projection, or has a limited ceiling.

  12. 12 Mr. Toledo said at 12:11 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Then let’s draft some fat guys

  13. 13 Weapon Y said at 1:16 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I do not like Hundley at all. He looks like a slightly better version of Logan Thomas IMO. That is not a compliment. If you’re going to ditch Foles, you might as well ditch him for someone who has potential as a consistent passer like Mariota, even if that means giving up the kitchen sink to get him. Hundley would be a huge step backward.

  14. 14 holeplug said at 10:36 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Hundley is A LOT better than Logan Thomas. Thats not really saying anything though since Thomas was a bad college QB that somehow got drafted.

  15. 15 Baloophi said at 1:50 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Apologies (or “you’re welcomes”) for not participating in the comment section of Tyler’s very excellent Brett Hundley post, which I hope to one day see presented at a TED talk on economics. That said, please tell me someone pounced on the low-hanging fruit of suggesting that the “prisoner’s dilemma” rubric was perhaps more befitting of Jameis Winston?

  16. 16 Baloophi said at 1:59 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Tommy noted accuracy and decision-making as Brett Hundley’s biggest shortcomings but I believe he left one out…

  17. 17 Anders said at 2:51 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    THANK YOU!! Jim Mora might be a great recruiter and overall coach, but offensive genius he is not.

  18. 18 Mac said at 2:05 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    My vote still goes to avoiding any high picks at QB with this class and getting Bennett as a late round project.

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 5:02 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    If I look at the best 7 QBs in the NFL, they’re draft positions were:

    Rodgers – later first round
    Peyton – #1 overall
    Brady – 6th round
    Brees – 2nd round
    Big Ben – mid first round
    Rivers – early first round
    Wilson – 3rd round

    Throw in other guys like Palmer (#1), Flacco (late first), Ryan (early first), Cutler (mid first), Stafford (#1), Romo (undrafted) who I’d use to round out spots 8 though 13 and you’re looking at mostly first round picks, with enough exceptions to not compel one to have to draft a guy in the first round.

  20. 20 Anders said at 5:14 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    So 4 out of 13 wasnt drafted in the first, that still leaves nearly 80% of the top QBs in the NFL as 1st round picks.

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 5:19 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    “The first” is a wide range.

  22. 22 bill said at 11:26 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Maybe a useful dividing line for right now is how many were picked after #20?

  23. 23 anon said at 6:05 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Luck’s not a good qb?

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 7:15 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I must have added too much crack to my cereal this morning at breakfast. Luck totally should have been on my list. And in the 5/6/7 group with Rivers and Big Ben.

  25. 25 The Fanatic said at 12:21 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Here’s another list. All QBs drafted in the 1st over the last 10 yrs.
    2005 – 1st – Alex Smith
    2005 – 24th – Aaron Rodgers
    2005 – 25th – Jason Campbell
    2006 – 3rd – Vince Young
    2006 – 10th – Matt Leinart
    2006 – 11th – Jay Cutler
    2007 – 1st – JaMarcus Russell
    2007 – 22nd – Brady Quinn
    2008 – 3rd – Matt Ryan
    2008 – 18th – Joe Flacco
    2009 – 1st – Matthew Stafford
    2009 – 5th – Mark Sanchez
    2009 – 17th – Josh Freeman
    2010 – 1st – Sam Bradford
    2010 – 25th – Tim Tebow
    2011 – 1st – Cam Newton
    2011 – 8th – Jake Locker
    2011 – 10th – Blaine Gabbert
    2011 – 12th – Christian Ponder
    2012 – 1st – Andrew Luck
    2012 – 2nd – RGIII
    2012 – 8th – Ryan Tannehill
    2012 – 22nd – Brian Weeden
    2013 – 16th – EJ Manuel
    I didn’t include 2014 because they were rookies, but only 10 or 11 of the 25 drafted in the first round over the past 10 years are now starters in the NFL today. That means there’s a 60 percent chance you’ll draft a dud. Of the 10 starters only 5 (Rodgers, Luck, Ryan, Stafford, and possibly Netwon and/or Flacco) would be considered upper echelon QBs! So drafting a QB in the 1st round really assures nothing at all!

  26. 26 anon said at 12:43 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    assures as much as drafting any other position.

  27. 27 Mac said at 4:29 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Great minds think alike I see… I just don’t get folks who think that all your problems are magically solved by throwing high draft picks at the QB position.

  28. 28 Mac said at 12:32 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Also compelling are 1st round failures. What exactly is the cost of a swing and miss on a 1st round QB? Conventional wisdom says that there is about a 50% chance that the 1st round QB won’t work out.

    Recent history (sweeping in near 1st rounders)
    Blake Bortles
    Johnny Manziel
    Teddy Bridgewater
    Derek Carr (36)

    EJ Manuel
    Geno Smith (39)

    Andrew Luck
    RG III
    Ryan Tannehill
    Brandon Weeden

    Cam Newton
    Jake Locker
    Blaine Gabbert
    Christian Ponder
    Andy Dalton (35)
    Colin Kaepernick (36)

    Sam Bradford
    Tim Tebow

    Matt Stafford
    Mark Sanchez
    Josh Freeman

    Matt Ryan
    Joe Flacco

    JaMarcus Russell
    Brady Quinn
    Kevin Kolb
    John Beck

    I made the cut off for this list pick 40… if we stretch a little bit further into the second round we sweep in these gems:
    (57) Brock Osweiler (48) Jimmy Clausen (44) Pat White (56) Brian Brohm (57) Chad Henne (43) Drew Stanton

    So sticking with the original top 40 chart we have 27 QBs. Out of that list there are 3 I would be excited to have, 5 I would feel good about, and the rest are basically backup QB level or major question marks so far. So the hit rate on top 40 QBs lately seems to be about 30%.

  29. 29 unhinged said at 11:45 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Who’s that?

  30. 30 Mac said at 12:38 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Chip’s old, old QB Bryan Bennett who was invited to the Sr Bowl (transferred out of Oregon to play at Southeastern Louisiana).

  31. 31 unhinged said at 3:56 PM on February 13th, 2015:


  32. 32 Weapon Y said at 7:34 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    49% completion percentage. Ewww no thanks.

  33. 33 D3FB said at 2:38 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    To be fair the questions that exist because of Hundley’s college system are equally present for Mariotta.

    Mariotta beat Stanford once.

    Both years Mariotta lost to Arizona Hundley beat them.

    Hundley went 4-1 against ranked opponents his final year.

    Mariotta 5-1.

    Hundley’s pocket presence can be inconsistent and erratic at times, but I’ve seen him climb the pocket reset his feet and make great throws. Plus we just saw Derek Carr had basically no pocket presence in college, and he was dramatically improved this year. Like completely different player level of improvement.

    As far as the “it” factor:
    Did Mariotta ever really win a game he wasn’t supposed to? Florida State maybe? Because of all the ESPN heisman coverage there’s this calming narrative of humble super competitive hard worker. Brett Hundley is the same guy, he just didn’t get the ESPN segments:

  34. 34 A_T_G said at 7:56 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Also, those of you that watch college football could probably create a long list of QBs who had superhuman performances on a regular basis in college and amounted to nothing in the NFL.

  35. 35 Mark F said at 6:22 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Brandon Doman

  36. 36 unhinged said at 11:43 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I don’t think your example is the only criteria for “it” factor. Winston possesses “it” imo because of his consistent success when it meant the game. Against good teams with little time remaining, he believed, his teammates believed, his coaches believed and his opponents believed that he would pull out the win, and he repeatedly did…until the wheels fell off in Pasadena.

  37. 37 D3FB said at 11:41 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    They were also 1000% more talented than any other team they played. Sure they came back, but they shouldn’t have been hanging around either.

  38. 38 Anders said at 2:54 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    If we look at the money throws in the NFL (the passes who makes the chain moving) its often described as between 6-15 yards (most 2nd and 3rd down distances are in that area), Hundley was the best last year×278.png

  39. 39 Cafone said at 6:19 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Hmmm.. Brandon Bridge is pretty high on that list for a guy you could probably get in the 4th round.

  40. 40 Anders said at 6:43 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Problem is he is pretty much terrible in every other chart.

  41. 41 Cafone said at 7:03 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    But he’s gonna be #1 in Chip Kelly’s heart come draft day.

  42. 42 shah8 said at 2:16 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    No need to take that seriously…Bo freakin’ Wallace is on that list…

  43. 43 bill said at 10:03 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Petty is a surprising #2 on there, too, given his reputation.

  44. 44 BlindChow said at 11:17 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Do these numbers include screens and yards after catch?

  45. 45 bill said at 11:42 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    According the link provided, I think the distances are in the air, but he’s not explicit enough that I can say that this is true. For example, the passage between the “total” chart and the “6+” chart could be read to support either conclusion. Reading it as a whole, the classifications don’t really support his conclusions unless they are air yards. Furthermore, the YPA column ranks would seem to suggest that these are air yards, but it’s not conclusive. Someone who has access to the raw data he used would probably be better equipped to answer this definitively.

  46. 46 Mac said at 12:41 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    So you wanna screen for screens with a screen for screen screen?

  47. 47 Ark87 said at 12:48 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    dude you just missed the perfect opportunity to say “Yo dawg, i heard…”

  48. 48 Mac said at 12:51 PM on February 13th, 2015:


  49. 49 Anders said at 3:36 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Little bit off topic, but sounds like Marcus Peters is less of a cancer and more just somebody who didnt handle too much responsibility too well.

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 4:40 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    And he’s definitely talented. He’s a very tempting talent to want to add to this team at CB.

  51. 51 Anders said at 4:47 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    It sound like more and more that Peters really isnt that super malcontent he was made out to be when he first kicked off (the whole choking thing seems to be pure BS), but if it is true, he most likely goes first overall DB

  52. 52 Media Mike said at 4:51 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    The CB situation is going to be interesting. That position, more than any other, has to be the hardest to evaluate when combining tape with combine numbers.

  53. 53 Anders said at 6:39 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    yea CB is one of the toughest positions in the NFL to project right.

    I do think Waynes and Peters will be at minimum average NFL starters (so Cary Williams level at minimum)

  54. 54 anon said at 6:43 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I think the problem is that you can’t have the whole position group be mediocre — jenkins should be a baseline for the talent we have. we could get a rookie and play him, but you run the risk of him getting abused and picking up some bad habits

  55. 55 Mitchell said at 10:15 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Do you mean average during their rookie season or turning out average for their career?

  56. 56 GEAGLE said at 4:26 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    dude… he is the best cornerback in the country playing in the scumbag, no morals NCAA… I cant even imagine how big of a jerkoff you have to be to be the best cornerback in the nation and get kicked off a college team……

    no top corner gets kicked off a team for silly, exagerated reasons. I dont know if he choked a coach or not, but I cant imagine what a dick you have to be for a college team to kick out the best corner in the nation.. with as corrupt as NCAA college teams are, this kid will have probably gotten every benefit of the doubt, been given a million second chances before it ever got to kicking him, off the team….

    normally his talent might be enough to still see him drafted in round 1, but with last year being the most embarressing year in the history of the NFL since they played with replacement players decades ago, I have to think Red Flags will be taken serious this year, atleast serious enough to push Talented Knucklheads like Peters and Doral Green at least down to round 2…. then again, Bellichekl drafted a serial killer so what do i know…

  57. 57 MagatBrackendale said at 7:06 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    If he could only focus his anger on the opposition….like Dez?

  58. 58 Media Mike said at 7:18 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Maybe he could focus his anger on smashing ODB in half.

  59. 59 BreakinAnklez said at 12:52 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I could see Chip having a long talk with Petersen about Peters. If it’s nothing as bad as has been reporting, I could see Chip going for him. Supreme talent who he’s watched first hand.

  60. 60 Weapon Y said at 7:36 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Either way, that won’t fly with Chip. #culture

  61. 61 Media Mike said at 4:35 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    “Hundley reminds me of a better passing version of Kaepernick”

    So Tommy is viewing Hundley as a better version of one of the worst QBs in the NFL. Kaepernick is the exact archetype of who you DON’T want as your QB in the NFL.

    This makes it easier for me to say I’m not interested in seeing Hundley on this roster, but especially not any earlier than the 3rd round.

  62. 62 Anders said at 4:37 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Kaepernick is not one of the worst QBs in the NFL.

  63. 63 Media Mike said at 4:39 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yes, he is.

  64. 64 Anders said at 4:45 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    What do you call Nick Foles then? He performed worse in most passing categories than Kaepernick.

  65. 65 Media Mike said at 4:48 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Better than Kaepernick. Not as confused when looking at the D. Working with a full playbook as opposed to the trash the Niners are forced to implement due to Kaepernick’s mental limitations.

    He sucks.

  66. 66 Anders said at 4:51 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    So its better to be trash with a full play book than average with a limited play book?

    Its like the same reverse logic people apply to Winston versus Hundley. Winston is better because he had terrible number because he played in a “pro style” system.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 4:52 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I can’t speak to Winston (who I don’t like) vs. Hundley (who I don’t like) in a context of liking Foles more than Kaepernick.

  68. 68 Anders said at 4:55 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I was just saying people imply the same logic to way Winston should go 1st overall.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 5:01 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I hear what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t tell Tampa to draft Winston.

  70. 70 BreakinAnklez said at 12:59 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’m pretty sure everyone and their mother would agree that Winston is the most pro ready QB in this draft. Where he should be drafted or if he pans out is another story.

  71. 71 bill said at 10:02 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yeah, I’m pretty harsh on Kaep, and think he is an awful fit for Kelly’s offense, but he can be very effective for a team with a great defense, and a good OL that wants to run the ball to play ball control and only needs to put up about 20 points to win consistently. No more than 25 pass attempts per game, right around 200 passing yards per game, with the run game heavily featured, Kaep can win a SB and contribute with some big plays, mostly with his feet, but with the occasional (no more than that, or he’s going to turn the ball over at a high rate) bullet into a tight window also.

  72. 72 Insomniac said at 10:07 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    He does play a LOT more better defenses then we do though. It’s hard to put up easy numbers in the NFC West.

  73. 73 bill said at 10:10 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Granted. OTH, how’d he do against that all-pro studded Eagles’ secondary this year? I think his limitations have less to do with who he played than who he is.

  74. 74 GEAGLE said at 4:18 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    he is terrible. RG3 might actually be a better NFL passing QB than Kap, and thats BAD!!!… dudes been playing for years and is still average at best reading defense, and going thru his reads.. Kapernick is Terrible,. take away his speed and arm strength, and there is NOTHING ELSE to like!.. he is a combine QB…. sure if the eagles build one of the most dominant rosters in the NFL we could probably win with Kap, but we could say the same thing about Foles… build him one of the most dominant rosters and he will win for you too…

    Kap and RG3 are my personal Nightmares…Id Rather Have Cam Newton, who i dont think is all that great, but he completely Dwarfs those two as a NFL QB
    Kap trying to throw behind our OL mess last year would have been Hysterical!!! look like a bumbling idiot back there behind our mess of a OL

  75. 75 Media Mike said at 5:19 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Why not;

    Round 1 Pick 21 (CINN): Kevin White, WR, West Virginia (A)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Nate Orchard, OLB/DE, Utah (A)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Senquez Golson, CB, Ole Miss (B)
    Round 3 Pick 21 (CINN): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Lynden Trail, DE/TE, Norfolk State (B)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Utah (A-)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi St. (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Damian Swann, CB, Georgia (C+)

  76. 76 Anders said at 6:39 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I would LOVE White, but I cant see how he lasts to 21.

  77. 77 GermanEagle said at 8:15 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Kevin White will be this year’s (poor man’s) ODB!!!

  78. 78 Anders said at 8:16 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Parker is much closer to ODB, White is like Evans last year

  79. 79 GermanEagle said at 9:09 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Then Parker should be the first WR off the boards in your eyes?! Fair enough.
    I agree with Mike Mayock’s WR rankings though.

  80. 80 Insomniac said at 9:45 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Parker is the type of WR that we need though. A big guy that actually uses his size instead of just being big.

  81. 81 Insomniac said at 9:43 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    ODB is a freakish mix of Marvin Harrison size and Randy Moss hands. White is a poor man’s Dez Bryant.

  82. 82 GermanEagle said at 10:50 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’ll take that.

  83. 83 Insomniac said at 11:10 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I would be so mad if the Giants took him.

  84. 84 Insomniac said at 9:44 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    A bad combine would drop him down to the teens but that’s probably not going to happen.

  85. 85 Buge Halls said at 12:56 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Which might be true since the Eagles pick at #20

  86. 86 GEAGLE said at 3:54 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    his 40 time will be interesting… some are starting to question his top end speed, and there are some WRs that can probably help their stock at the combine more than white does…

    but i dont even care to get into it over WRs anymore.. what used to be a hard position to draft, WR are now more prepared then ever to come to the NFL.. I dont think you have to get fixated over one or two WRs anymore… I have a feeling from now on we will constantly see draft classes provide like 10 Quality WR prospects every year.. basically I expect the WR position to Boom and become one of the easier positions to draft… so while we all have our favorite WR prospect or 2, truth is, there are probably 10 WRs in this draft that would end up being solid Pros…

    I expect it to become one of the easiest positions to draft from here on out, so fixating over a certain WR or two is pointless, even if we all obviously have our favorites.
    I assume Devante Parker wil be the 1st WR drafted, but a few other WRs could be in the mix

  87. 87 Mitchell said at 10:13 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    When I saw that White fell to 21, I have to go change my pants so I could come back and read the rest of your mock…. I love love love Derron Smith. If he was just a tad bigger he would be fringe first round. I like both he and Geathers as safeties this year.

  88. 88 D3FB said at 1:15 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Besides the silliness of trade valuation,
    Golson is 5’8
    Poutasi is 0.000000% a scheme fit
    Geathers is going top 100.

  89. 89 GermanEagle said at 7:39 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Alike Tommy, I wouldn’t touch Hundley before the 3rd round. Don’t see any reason why the Eagles should draft him higher than Foles.

  90. 90 GEAGLE said at 4:15 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    rather spend my 4th round pick trading for Glennon

  91. 91 Henly125 said at 8:20 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Is it on the record that Kelly actually used that 4th round pick on Barkley? And not Howie Roseman?

  92. 92 Greg Richards said at 12:32 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Kelly spoke very favorably of Barkley post-draft. Sometimes a person’s public comments don’t accurately reflect their private thinking though. Regardless, I think it’s fair to judge their successes/failures on the basis of their public statements.

  93. 93 GEAGLE said at 4:14 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    yeah but I wouldnt put it past howie to see a name brand QB in round 4 and try to get slick, want to draft him to eventually flip him for more, since he was an impressionable young man interning for the Birds when his mentors where always trying to get slick, add QBs they just hoped to flip for more later..

    i dont think any player has been added who chip hasnt signed off on, so i dont think we can blame howie completely for any personnel decision to be honest… and No Doubt Chip wanted to draft Barkley in the 4th, but i wouldnt be surprised if Howie liked that idea…

  94. 94 austinfan said at 12:55 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Chip saw Barkley in the Pac-10 so he knew him (not just watching him play but privy to the rumors and judgments of people in the Pac-10). I doubt Howie would have traded up to take him without Chip’s prompting.

  95. 95 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:56 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’m just going to completely disregard who drafted who. There’s too many discrepancies.

  96. 96 anon said at 4:05 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    can’t imagine there’s anyone on this team that Chipper doesn’t want here. But at least now we’ll al know who is responsible for drafting from now on.

    If Chip kills this draft they might as well fire howie.

  97. 97 miked718 said at 9:23 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Perhaps all of the Mariota hype is doing the Eagles a huge favor. They’re definitely targeting a QB in the draft and so if it isn’t Mariota, then the media is doing them a YOOGE favor by inflating the “Chip will donate both kidneys to get the kid” as large as they have.

    What if Chip does something really crazy, like draft Hundley (or acquire/draft another mobile QB) to play WITH FOLES on every play. You want interchangeable parts? How about a QB/RB/WR threat back there with young Napoleon? Too gimmicky? Normally I would say yes. But if anyone can take random ingredients and make a tasty offensive omelet, it’s the Chippah!

  98. 98 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:33 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    Not crazy enough! Chip is feeding the hype about Mariota… he knows the media and the league will go in a feeding frenzy. At some point, they’ll realize, no way can Philly move up that high, it’s just too crazy! And then Mariota will drop like a stone. And then people will say, “hey, why isn’t Chip Kelly getting this guy, something must be wrong with him!” And then, Bam! The Eagles pounce on him. He has an RGIII-like first year (why wouldn’t he?) and we GET our Superbowl, all because of Chip’s genius!

  99. 99 James said at 12:17 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    What is a “Yooge”? Yogie Bear?

  100. 100 the DONALD said at 12:37 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    its how some people pronounce the word HUGE… for whatever reason they say “YOOOGE” had a few teachers that said it that way in grade school and we always thought it was funny as kids..

  101. 101 CHRIS - CB with dreads said at 1:39 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    My dad says it that way and I make fun of him every chance i get

  102. 102 miked718 said at 1:04 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    It’s how Mike Francessa says “huge”. Life as an Eagles fan in NY baby.

  103. 103 Javi Echie said at 1:51 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    haha I live out here to and have to listen to him say that constantly.

  104. 104 Media Mike said at 7:20 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yuck. Mike Francessa is putrid.

  105. 105 bill said at 10:38 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    I appreciate the work and knowledge Tommy brings to the table, but I’m going to favor Mr. Aston’s breakdown, here. I’m just not a fan of “hero ball,” and think that guys who have gotten used to playing hero ball to be successful are difficult to transition to being good at executing within an NFL level passing scheme. I prefer the guy who is great at making plays within the scheme to the guy who is great at making plays outside the scheme. Obviously, getting both is great, but if your plan for building a franchise *requires* one of those, you’re the Cleveland Browns.

  106. 106 Insomniac said at 11:55 AM on February 13th, 2015:

    A bit more on Tommy’s opinion and elaborating a bit more on what the issues are if we do take him.

    What Tommy asks is really difficult to determine seeing how UCLA wasn’t really good on the offensive side. We don’t know what Hundley will do if he had the offensive weapons on this team. As for his poor pocket awareness, you would have to cater to his slower reads until he gets it (if he ever will). This might mean that we’ll see more rushing attempts/bootlegs/play action ala Chip + Vick. However, that also means that you will need a good OL in the future and that means more resources spent. Hundley can hit the bombs that Foles missed this year. Hundley can get away from defenders and get the first down on 3rd/whatever with his legs if needed. Though, this presents an injury risk since he doesn’t want/like to slide. Adding Hundley wouldn’t be a bad idea if Chip thinks he can make him work and that he’s his QB. Keep in mind that Chip has never played against Hundley so there’s no front row experience bias for Chip.

    He really hurt his stock by not going to the Senior Bowl to get that “Is it me or the team” question answered. Why is that? The Senior Bowl rosters this year supplied both teams with quality OL/WRs/RB. Of course not everything goes to plan since the QB play at the game was awful but he missed a chance to shine. He has the combine to cement being possibly a day 2 pick unless a desperate team like the Browns take him in the first round.

  107. 107 Bert's Bells said at 12:00 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    “you will need a good OL in the future ”

    That goes for any QB, unless you’re tanking for a higher draft pick.

    It would also be hilarious if the Browns picked a quarterback in the first round. I hope that happens.

  108. 108 Insomniac said at 12:01 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Russel Wilson almost got it done with an average OL.

  109. 109 Ark87 said at 12:09 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Correction: Beastmode almost got it done with an average OL.

    Or if you like, The Seattle Defense almost got it done with a sub-par offense.

  110. 110 Insomniac said at 12:14 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    True. Wilson made some good throws to keep them in the game before..choking it all away,

  111. 111 Ark87 said at 12:46 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I did come away with a lot of respect for his deep ball, I definitely underrated that aspect of his game, assuming that his play off performance isn’t an outlier. Now The threat of Beastmode helps give him the time and gives his scrub recievers coverage they can make a play on, but the throws are there for sure.

  112. 112 Mac said at 12:53 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I dunno, I see RW as Vick… or rather as “Vick as he should have been.”

  113. 113 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:46 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    If only the brain didn’t matter, QB evaluation would be so much easier.

  114. 114 BreakinAnklez said at 12:54 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I don’t think its underrated, people have been raving about his deep ball since he got into the league.

  115. 115 Mac said at 12:54 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    How many times can you guys talk about deep balls in one thread?

  116. 116 Ark87 said at 1:13 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Mac, there ain’t nothing prettier in a sport of oblong balls than a well placed deep ball.

  117. 117 Ark87 said at 1:05 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yeah an I never really bought it until the playoffs. I was saying I personally underrated him in that aspect.

  118. 118 GEAGLE said at 3:48 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    for me, the most impressive game I have seen Wilson play was probably the eagles game, he was spectacular in his decision making that game. no matter what we did, he had an answer for everything…. i view wilson as pretty hot or cold… some games he is spectacular and they win, other games his play is average at best and his team wins in spite of his average play…

    but the Eagles game was really frustrating. Kid was on fire in the second half, he had the perfect answer for anything we tried

  119. 119 Ark87 said at 4:16 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    seemed like every time he needed it he would throw one of his garbage receivers open for a diving catch. Our coverage wasn’t as dreadful as usual that day, Wilson just didn’t miss a throw, and his receivers didn’t drop a pass.

  120. 120 GEAGLE said at 4:43 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    you are absolutely right… He made our defense look worst that day then they really were… Our defense was having a solid game, Wilson just seemed to have a perfect second half. No matter what we did, he had the exact perfect counter to beat it…. that was easily one of the best halfs of football I ever seen wilson play. He made a solid version of our defense that day, look like it had no answer for him….
    and THAT really really was a dagger to us! Second half of the season when we imploded, we had some horrible losses. We were never in the GB game, we had a major letdown in the second dallas game, against the redskins we played an average at best game, when our season was on the line and it required our best….. so it hurts that we had some big let downs at the end of the year in which we really played like crap and didnt deserve to win…… The seattle game was different, we actually played well that day, we could have beaten some good teams the way we played that day, other than shadys ridiculous fumble… Seattle BEAT US THAT DAY, where as the other loses we partially beat ourselves and didnt deserve to win those games anyway…

  121. 121 anon said at 4:38 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    hurt me to see our defense get abused in what was a pretty well schemed game. Also hurt me to see T. Cole bite on simple read option plays.

  122. 122 GEAGLE said at 4:43 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    shady delivered the real kick to my nuts..

  123. 123 anon said at 5:22 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    that fumble? yeah after that i was like might as well get ready for the night game.

  124. 124 deshawnbentley said at 11:45 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Not agreeing or disagreeing but pff somehow gave Russell a negative rating that game lol

  125. 125 Avery Greene said at 12:18 PM on February 13th, 2015:


    Also a banged up secondary.

  126. 126 unhinged said at 2:35 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    It is hard to believe that “catering to his slower reads” isn’t exactly what Mora was doing at UCLA. The kitchen’s going to get a whole lot hotter at the next level, and he’s already behind the curve. Odds are he cannot grow into something he has yet to show. Same could be said for Mariota, but he met expectations (for success) whereas Hundley did not.

  127. 127 Baloophi said at 12:41 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    5:00 pm – NFL Network – Reggie White special
    9:00 pm – NLF Network – A Football Life: Randall Cunningham


  128. 128 Media Mike said at 7:22 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    5 PM – A football life about a guy who was better than Lawrence Taylor, but doesn’t get the credit.

    9 PM – A football life about a guy who showed everybody in Minnesota why his best years were wasted by the non-coaching given to him by Buddy Ryan and Rich Kotite.

  129. 129 Buge Halls said at 12:47 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    “…a really simple pass offense that had Hundley throwing to his primary
    target most of the time. And many of those plays were at or behind the
    line of scrimmage.” Anybody else recall the same thing being said about Geno Smith? Look how well that turned out.

  130. 130 Mac said at 12:52 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    That’s precisely what I was thinking :/

  131. 131 Bleedgreen said at 7:53 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Coaching also matters. Genos OC was morningweig, and head coach was Rex ryan – not the best environment for a qb to develop in. I don’t think it would have made much of a difference but I think his coaching situation made things worse

  132. 132 eagleyankfan said at 1:08 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    “He would be the kind of running threat Chip Kelly would like in this offense.” Everyone keeps saying that base on his college career. However, since he’s been here, he’s done the opposite. I think we can stop saying it’s something Kelly would like in the NFL.

  133. 133 anon said at 1:13 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    why? there’s no qb keepers despite the fact we have a less mobile peyton manning?

  134. 134 eagleyankfan said at 1:16 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Chip has said – give me a qb and I’ll build around him. 2 – he drafted Barkley. It’s 3rd year of Chip and he’s yet to make any move after a QB people keep saying he wants. If Chip really wanted a certain mold of QB, I’d imagine he’d have one by now.

  135. 135 anon said at 1:24 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Matty B is athletic, sanchez is athletic. Who else should Chip haven gotten? Not saying Chip will spend resources on another QB b/c we def have a lot of holes elsewhere.

    But we don’t run straight WCO. The scheme by design is more effective with a guy who can run.

  136. 136 bill said at 1:30 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Foles is athletic – according to many who watched him play BBall. The question is, are any of them a true threat when running the football at the NFL level. The answer is really quite clear: Foles is slow, and Barkley and Sanchez are a small step above that.

  137. 137 eagleyankfan said at 1:31 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    bingo Bill. Not the running threat everything thinks Chip is looking for. Athletic does not = running qb…..

  138. 138 GEAGLE said at 8:13 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    foles said he is working on his speed this offseason. he said he is hoping to turn those 5-10 yard gains into 15-20 yard gains… Its actually a good idea since he will go on to be chips longterm QB. Foles will be in this system the next 3-5 years so he might as well embrace it and try to work on every area of this offense…

    if he can add a little speed, and start to consistently slide correctly it wold be a nice little addition to his arsenal in this “game of inches”….. more importantly he just needs to get really comfortable running with the ball and making defenses pay… Out of all the Immobile QBs who tried to Run in chips offense, Foles was much better and more willing than Sanchez and Barkley..Sanchez was faster but not as willing to run as much as Foles is.I thought it realy hurt our offense at times that the defense was daring sanchez to run and take the 5-10 yards and he just refused to run with it allowing defenses to key in on shady… Barkley is even worse, maybe it was due to just getting over his sholder injury but that kid was petrified of running with ball last year. I mean he really wanted no parts whatsoever of keeping the ball on the zone reads…

    we really dont need a mobile QB.. a Pocket Passer is perfectly fine, its just important that the pocket passer not be afraid to run, embrace the run part of the offense, Know his limitation as a runner, but also know that there will be times when its clear that the defense is willing to let you gain 5 or 10 yards if you have the courage to take it… our Pocket passer doesnt need to be fast, he just needs to get comfortable running with the ball, so that as soon as defenses decide not to respect the threat of him running in the zone reads, he immediately keeps the ball and makes them pay for it for 5, 10, 15, whatever yards. and the next play if they dont respect him again, immediately keep the ball and run again…. Once those defenses see the big slow white dude picking up 5-10 yards in slow motion, its embasrressing and the next play you will see the QB immediately accounted for usualy, thus creating more space and taking a defender away from shady or sproles…
    No one will ever confuse Nick with a fast QB, but he is tough, he has no fear, and he has been willing to run with the ball when our offense needed him to… hopefully now that he sounds like he wants to embrace the running part of working on this offense we will see improvement in our Zone read run game.

  139. 139 Weapon Y said at 7:41 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Barkley and Sanchez have average athleticism at best. It’s a stretch to call them athletic compared to Kaepernick, Newton, RG3, Wilson, Luck, Rodgers, or even Brees.

  140. 140 RobNE said at 1:51 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    it’s crazy how I google and look at something (not porn, seeing a Broadway show), then I come here and the banner up top on Iggles Blitz is an advertisement for the same show. Big brother is watching.

  141. 141 Javi Echie said at 1:55 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    The government is in your head listening to your thoughts man.

  142. 142 Insomniac said at 2:03 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    cookies man. they’re not what they use to be.

  143. 143 Media Mike said at 7:24 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I know $4 / box. Really?

  144. 144 Ark87 said at 3:51 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I know! Why won’t the porn show up in the side bars!? Eagles talk and naked women on one website? Too good to be true. But nooo, I get designed by humans ads because I spend hours at a time scrolling through deviant art for backgrounds.

  145. 145 shah8 said at 2:11 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    For me, I think one of the really big impacts of Hundley in this draft is just how much shade it puts on Mariota. I bet a lot of people in the industry have been going…”well, Hundley’s weaknesses are just more magnified versions of Mariota’s…” in several areas, and wondering what the two QB would be like if they were on the other’s team. Hundley’s draft position may not change, but I strongly suspect that we will see a major fall for Mariota.

  146. 146 RobNE said at 2:44 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    to 20?

  147. 147 laeagle said at 3:21 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    The Hundley criticism has certainly made me look at Joe Webb in a new light.

  148. 148 shah8 said at 6:39 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Glad you see things my way. Check out a few clips and you can have a spot on my island, baby!

  149. 149 Weapon Y said at 7:44 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Mariota just looks way mentally sharper than Hundley. Oregons offense does generally use simple concepts, but there were some times I saw Mariota go through multiple reads or use eye fakes on defenders. I never saw that from Hundley. Coaching might have something do with it but I think football intelligence does too. The latter can’t really change.

  150. 150 Media Mike said at 7:46 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    That cannot be stated enough times. I can’t wait to see what type of Wonderlic score Hundley produces.

  151. 151 D3FB said at 1:07 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Multiple reads:

    USC tape: 2:40, 3:15, 4:00, 4:55, 5:35, 6:07, 7:33, 8:07
    AZ tape: :30, 3:53,

    Eye fakes:
    Utah: 4:50 holds the safety before throwing perfect backshoulder
    5:30 stares down the dig brings the corner up, hits the wheel route for long TD
    6:55 looks at the strong side WR combination to hold the FS.
    7:05 does the same thing this time hits receiver in stride for go-ahead TD


    3:20 looks of free before throwing great 9 route.
    6:05 checks his underneath receivers and shoulder fakes, in perfect collaboration with double move, goes over the top for TD.
    6:50 again looks manipulates defense with staring down underneath routes and shoulder fakes before throwing deep for outside WR.

    Don’t tell me he can’t make multiple reads or use his eyes to manipulate a defense. You’re either not watching tape or not paying attention.

  152. 152 Weapon Y said at 12:04 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    Well, I just got owned. Well done.

  153. 153 GEAGLE said at 3:44 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    3 days in a row of imaginary QB crap that will prove to have nothing to do with the Eagles? geez…can we atleast spread the BS out?

    two days i been sitting back waiting on the hundley nonsense to stop. after 3000 hundley comments, what more could people have possibly said today? im afraid to scroll down…

  154. 154 Avery Greene said at 3:49 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    The Hundley talk is nowhere near as bad as the talk about Riley Cooper being on the Eagles calendar in February. LOL! At least there’s some real analysis and discussion here.

    Welcome to the doldrums of the offseason. Considering the other franchises in the city, we will need the first mini-camp to satiate our hunger for more football.

    Next year though, the offseason won’t be as bad because the Sixers will be better. I’m doubtful the Flyers will be able to take a step forward for another couple years unless Hextall pulls off some magic trades and ridding of the MacDonald, Lecavalier, and Grossman contracts.

    The other team that shall remain nameless is not in this discussion. It might be another decade before they are relevant again.

  155. 155 GEAGLE said at 4:00 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    im having a ball at sixers games this year… most fun sixers season i have had in years…

    you want to see a spectacular show? buy a dirt cheap ticket to any sixers game, get to your seat an hour early, get your popcorn ready, kick your feet up and watch Embiid work out and Drool all over your popcorn..

    as good as Philadelphia THinks he is, he is even better…
    last week I counted he made 23 3pointers in a row… at 7ft 270lbs, lol… he literally might be the best shooter on our team TODAY..I promise thats not an exageration.. go to a sixer game3 and watch this phenom work out, its the best show in Philly by far these days

  156. 156 Avery Greene said at 4:02 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’ve got class 3 nights a week and Philly is a 2 hour drive. I’m working on trying to catch them when they come back down to DC. I think it’s on a Wed, so I’ve lucked out that it isn’t a night of class.

  157. 157 anon said at 4:03 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’ve got wizards season tickets if you need them (good seats).

  158. 158 GEAGLE said at 4:05 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    you dont go? wizards are a fun team to watch this year… my sister is in DC, if im down there during the season Ill hold you to it..

  159. 159 anon said at 4:05 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    just moved to west coast, so my parents go sometimes, otherwise tickets wasted. Let me know.

  160. 160 GEAGLE said at 4:08 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    oh gotcha

  161. 161 truehaynes said at 4:38 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Hey man i live in dc and would love to.catch a few wizards game. ill pay you for the tickets if your not going to use them. huge sixers fan but would love to catch a couple wizards games when idon’t have wor

  162. 162 anon said at 4:46 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    yeah no problem, happy to see people use tickets. If you want them just shoot me your e-mail and we can work something out.

  163. 163 GEAGLE said at 7:56 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    good man

  164. 164 truehaynes said at 1:55 PM on February 15th, 2015:

    wow thanks man you’re the best.

  165. 165 Avery Greene said at 4:08 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    That means you should let me know on the weekends, the invitation you gave is reciprocal.

    My brother (who still lives in DE) and I have been batting the idea around to go to a Sat game. So I’m going to take you up on that.

  166. 166 GEAGLE said at 4:11 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    dude… give me a weeks notice and Ill be available for any saturday game… we’ll def figure something out

  167. 167 Avery Greene said at 4:06 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yeah I’d watch them, solid team. My buddy (also a Sixers fan) would jump at a chance to get these tickets.

  168. 168 GEAGLE said at 4:04 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    oh damn,…. Im pretty sure embiid would travel with them to DC, but im not sure if he works out before road games or not…. if you happen to come down for a weekend game, give me the heads up, if im in Philly that week, Ill def join you if you come down for a saturday or sunday game

  169. 169 Javi Echie said at 3:50 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Not much worth reading if you scroll down brotha that’s for sure lol

  170. 170 GEAGLE said at 3:56 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    sooo pointless..

    i wont be taking part in this pointless Hundley debate, just like i sat out yesterdays… ill comment on other news..

  171. 171 Javi Echie said at 3:57 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I’m with you on that one kid, this Hundley talk is terrible.

  172. 172 GEAGLE said at 4:01 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    not going to be an eagle… end of discussion..

  173. 173 Javi Echie said at 4:05 PM on February 13th, 2015:


  174. 174 GEAGLE said at 8:26 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    that settles that! LOL

  175. 175 Bert's Bells said at 3:58 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    There is a God!

    Moar Hundley!

  176. 176 GEAGLE said at 5:12 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    for me the most interesting QB intel i saw this week was the stats about the correlation between efficiency and increased or decreased passing attempts from 2013 to 2014…

    i dont have the numbers in front of me, but not really a surprise, Flacco was one of the QBs whos passing attempts were reduced the most from 2013 season to the 2014 season and it shouldnt be a shocker that his efficiency improved..
    on the opposite end of the spectrum, no QB had a bigger spike in pass attemps per game than Folesy, Cutler was also up there with Foles, and to no surprise both QBs efficiency was down from the previous year…

    This was still supposed to be a developmental year for Nick… Kid has so much development still ahead of him, we take a developing QB that doesnt even have 20 starts, and we go from having an Elite OL in front of him, to having a chaotic OL mess this year, and we decide to increase his pass attempts by a league high 13 passes more per game then the previous year?

    our veteran RB, the top rated back in the NFL at the start of this season, couldnt do ANYTHING behind that OL, and we ask a QB with less than 20 games to throw 13 times per game more than last season? we continue to ask him to pass almost 15 times more after heis body was badly battered and he was trying to tough it out and play thru injuries… The OL was so bad, our RB didnt have a crack of day light so chip basically had no choice but to increase the passing attempts… , and we crucify him over the results? LOL Interesting…. now everyone wants a new QB.. Instead of worrying about putting our young QB in a much better situation…interesting..

  177. 177 Greg Richards said at 4:28 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Have to have something to BS about until FA begins.

  178. 178 GEAGLE said at 5:00 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    my fav news of the day was Browns owner trying to insist to the media that his team isnt dysfunctional

    i understand, but 3 days in a row of QB talk is rough, especially iff you happen to be a fan who expects minimal change at the position this offseason…
    thank god for next weeks combine. Fingers CROSSED NO DUI’s next week, No arrests, No failed drug test drama, No Press conferences announcing a prospects sexual Orientation.. Just want a drama free, week of straight up football intel from the combine… alot of kids im really on the fence about who Im dying to see perform and be measured at the combine…
    this time last year Calvin Pryor was like 6’3, by tuesday all of the sudden he was 5’11…kind of a big difference lol

  179. 179 Media Mike said at 7:30 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Just look at the putrid policy implemented in Tennessee as another Haslem has been destroying something. All Haslems are fools.

  180. 180 Ark87 said at 9:20 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    The combine is going to happen soon, highlight videos will be watched, man crushes will be devloped, and there will be ravings over a medley of messiahs. So worry not, the senselessness shall diversify!

  181. 181 GEAGLE said at 12:08 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    as long as there are no press conferences announcing sexual orientations this year, and, ill be happy

    unlease you are like some weird necrophiliac really dont care what gets these kids dick hard,

  182. 182 unhinged said at 4:36 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    One person’s BS is another’s food for thought. GM’s and QB coaches got nothin’ on our commenters re: Hundley. Somebody is going to be afraid to pull the trigger, and somebody will do so convinced he’s an answer to their problem(s). Do any of us know for sure how Chip will go? Me, I think he’ll see too much of a project, but then, if he’s so big on Mariota, maybe I am completely off base. Anyway, it isn’t all BS, and you know you can always abruptly just start a new thread, right?

  183. 183 D3FB said at 1:33 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Personally I was looking forward to the 200th comment by one person on why me MUsT sIGn Virgil Green.

    Or how Danny Shelton is the next Ngata/Poe for the 50th time.

    Or how we should trade back like 2 spots in return for like 14 3rd round picks and draft Kendricks, that would be new and refreshing.

  184. 184 GEAGLE said at 12:05 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    ahhaha clown better you brain washing morons into thinking hundley is worth the 20th pick. dope. keep wasting peoples time with imaginary nonsense… let me know when you care to join REALITY

  185. 185 BlindChow said at 1:33 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    MANTI TeO!!!!! MANTI TeO!!!!

  186. 186 GEAGLE said at 12:14 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    hundley wont be drafted by the eagles, he damn sure wont even be considered with our 20th pick…. join me in reality when you are ready

  187. 187 Donald Kalinowski said at 3:57 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    I think a 2nd round pick would be an appropriate gamble.

  188. 188 Javi Echie said at 4:06 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yea an appropriate gamble if we’re taking Eric Kendricks in the 2nd.

  189. 189 GEAGLE said at 12:05 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    wont last past GB at the end of round 1

  190. 190 Javi Echie said at 12:08 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    Let’s hope Mckinney and perryman shoot up draft boards so we have a shot at him

  191. 191 GermanEagle said at 5:02 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Since when are we wasting second round picks for gambling?!?

  192. 192 anon said at 5:10 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Can’t believe the NFL is trying to get Hardy’s record after his case was dropped, like WTF. Hardy said he’d play for free next year to be back with Carolina. Didn’t realize he had 26 sacks in 2 seasons.

  193. 193 Greg Richards said at 5:12 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    His case was dropped because he paid off the victim so she wouldn’t cooperate with the prosecution. I don’t think he deserves a free pass.

  194. 194 peteike said at 5:16 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    ya thats one effed up story. The whole prosecution of domestic abuse and ra cases is a messy one. No easy answers so some public perception and details of cases have to be weighed. It puts the leagues in a tough spot now, its a PR nightmare.

  195. 195 anon said at 5:21 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Yeah NFL has waded into this pr situation where now they have to go out of their way to police people, i just think it puts everyone is a bad place — except the owners who can obviously do whatever they want.

  196. 196 anon said at 5:20 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    What’s the point of paying her off then? What’s the point of the year long suspension?

    I dont’ know if I want to live in a world where you can’t toss a girl on a couch full of guns and go to work the next day (that’s a joke).

  197. 197 Greg Richards said at 5:23 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    He wasn’t suspended last year. He was put on the commissioner’s exempt list. He couldn’t play, but he still got paid. The Panthers are the one who got screwed in the whole situation.

    As far as the point of paying he off, he avoids any criminal penalty including the possibility of jail time. It puts him in play in the FA market, even with the looming question of a possible NFL suspension.

  198. 198 GEAGLE said at 5:54 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    really a disgusting situation, and nothing will change in this world as long as victims allow thmselves to be bought off.
    We have a big enough problem with woman not coming forward, not helping persecute their attackers, woman who are too traumatized to get themselves out of bad situation. Its a big enough problem getting woman to help fight to persecute their abusers when money isnt involved…. add the money element to these situations and its really despicable..

    WE (SOCIETY) CRUCIFIED Rice even tho his wife spooke out publicallybelieve her that she isnta victim and we werent Helping her. on multiple times practically begging us to believe that she was not a victim, and that the public wasnt speaking for her and they were doing a diservice to her family instead of helping her… after she was a victime of disgusting coward act by Ray Rice, we acted as if we knew what was best for her and we would rather punish Ray Rice, even if it meant ddoing more victim instead of helping her. Rice still hasnt played a game…

    the details of the Hardy arrest are just despicable. For a Monster of a man to terrorize a 110lb woman like that,. He was convicted, appealed and now is buying his way out of it… one of the ugly “flaws” of our justice system…. i dont know what the legal remedy to change this would be, but the NFL is fortunate that they arent bound by courts decisions. They have a chance to make up for the legal flaw allowing this vile human being to not have to take responsibility or face any real consequences for terrorizinbg a wqoman and her family. after all of Goodells absurd misatakesa this past year, This is NOT a situation he can botch…///i dont know what the right NFL punishment is…but there have to be some type of consequences for terrorizing another human being. there has to be no matter how big of a check you can write…ESPECIALLY because the Legal system is BOTCHING this, it becomes even more important for the NFL to get this right and figure out appropriate consequences…

  199. 199 unhinged said at 10:18 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    NY Times did a two or three part series around the time that Rice’s video went viral. The piece began, outlining the details of a Dolphin offensive lineman several years back who was brought up on assault charges (against a woman). Like most, and by now maybe every NFL franchise, the Dolphins have local police on their payroll to “handle” in-house “issues. The arresting cop’s first call was to his PD contact at the Dolphins. Charges were dropped, the story never made print, the player didn’t miss a practice, as far as I can remember, and that story has been replicated all over the league for years. Far from being indifferent, the NFL has been a very interested player in deflecting attention away from its dark side, and helping violators to skirt the law. If Roger Goodell wants to be on the right side of this issue, first thing he should do is tell all owners that law-braking players will hear from the league AFTER the local police are through with their investigations. Trying to preempt legal repercussions and protect the image of the NFL has backfired big time and shown the NFL to be a horde of billionaire hypocrites.

  200. 200 BreakinAnklez said at 10:59 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Not really true. They did reach a settlement prior to this most recent trial, but she also hasn’t shown up to a single appearance since the initial hearing. She’s lucky it wasn’t dropped months ago.

  201. 201 anon said at 5:26 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Anyone venture to guess Revis’ number — i’m guessing $13m/yr?

  202. 202 GermanEagle said at 7:04 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    $15m. And that would be an upgrade for the Patriots in terms of cap hit!

  203. 203 GEAGLE said at 6:01 PM on February 13th, 2015:


  204. 204 GermanEagle said at 6:32 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Noticed all the cuts in the NFL recently?! Don’t be surprised if you hear some Eagles names in the next couple of weeks, most noteworthy Cary and possibly Cole.

  205. 205 GermanEagle said at 6:35 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Peyton just told Broncos he will be back. That will have a significant impact on Free Agency, as they will most likely try to keep both Thomas’ now! Wow…!

  206. 206 Insomniac said at 6:41 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    He’s going to be taking a massive paycut to keep both. Like veteran minimum contract paycut.

  207. 207 GermanEagle said at 6:49 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    While I can understand his love for football, I cannot understand this decision at all.
    Anyway, let’s see if the Broncos also keep their second tier free agents, ILB Irving for example…

  208. 208 GEAGLE said at 8:21 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    yes thats HUGE UPGRADE in our chances at poaching THE HULK!!!!

  209. 209 anon said at 8:33 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Wonder who has the money to pay JT (TE). Heard both CLE and SEA were very interested. CLE has tons of $$. Gary Kubiak is great at running the ball, i don’t think Virgil gets out of Denver.

  210. 210 GEAGLE said at 9:20 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    we will see about that. you seem to be really concerned with what Kubiak wants, when i think the more important Question is what does Peyton want?
    Cleveland Would be smart to throw Big money at JT,their TE Cameron A) Doesnt want to re sign with them, and B) IS DAMAGED GOODS. Next time that kid gets a concussion, i pray he retires.. His most recent one lingered and was hard for him to get over, once you had a couple and you get a bad one that lingers for a while, you have to start considering retirement, ESPECIALLY if you have another one… i think he is a fantastic young TE, but IMO he is untouchable. I dont want the eagles to sign him, tell you the truth I dont even want to see him play football ever again, and speaking of the subject,. if the Cardinals allow John Ahbraham to come back and play next year bruce arians shold be arrested. an older player who missed an entire season over a concussion can never be allowed to play again IMO

    whats funny is the CITY of Philadelphia and its media CRUCIFIED Erik Lindros and his parents because we thought they were soft holding Lindros out of so many games, beiung so prudent with his “head injuries”… now it turns out lindross parents where years ahead of the sports worlds understanding of concussions. we hated his parents, but good for them, turned out they knew better than everyone who ripped them

    I assume JT gets franchised for Peyton, and probably leaves next year

  211. 211 anon said at 9:23 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Welker, Cameron, Abraham all in the same boat. Honestly I think Peyton will want to run the ball as much as possible (same as Brady) those old arms aren’t the same especially down the stretch.

    CJ Anderson will def. be on my fantasy team next year.

  212. 212 GermanEagle said at 6:57 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    This is probably the most unreal statistics you will hardly see again:

    Revis has a total of 6 defense pass interference penalties in 111 career games…

  213. 213 anon said at 7:21 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    yeah he’s the man,, our guys have more in one game. That’s why pats are locking him up long term.

  214. 214 Insomniac said at 7:44 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    The Superbowl ring pretty much made him a HoFer now.

  215. 215 Media Mike said at 7:48 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    29 years old and a 6 time pro bowler with 4 first team all pro. He’ll make 3 more pro bowls simply on rep. He’s a lock barring injury.

  216. 216 Bert's Bells said at 11:38 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Cornerback is the one position where reputation matters.

  217. 217 anon said at 9:24 PM on February 13th, 2015:

    Lions acting like Suh will be back next year. How can you have your whole cap tied up into 3 players.

  218. 218 Media Mike said at 7:41 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    By getting rid of all of your other good players. I’m in favor of it because the Eagles play the Lions next year; WIN.

  219. 219 Javi Echie said at 11:13 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    They’re gonna soon be like allas when they restructure Stafford every year and Megatron.

  220. 220 BreakinAnklez said at 11:14 AM on February 14th, 2015:

    Who else do they have FA wise? If the cap keeps going up as expected…

  221. 221 GEAGLE said at 12:00 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    question: how does the process work of getting a college basketball player drafted into the NFL? If Baylors Ricco Gaethers would rather go to the NBA as a second round pick instead of going to the NFL it will be a travesty… someone get that kid to switch sports asap

  222. 222 RobNE said at 12:20 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    Nba contracts are guaranteed.

  223. 223 GEAGLE said at 12:24 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    not the second round contract he will sign… he wont even sniff round 1 of the NBA draft… Baylor is about to play Kansas on chanel 3, 6 or 10….check the monster out

  224. 224 GEAGLE said at 12:03 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    Saints are going to cut David Hawthorn because they are still in cap hell. WTF is that franchise doing? thats one franchise that could use some howie roseman cap management in their life

  225. 225 anon said at 12:08 PM on February 14th, 2015:

    Much harder when your QB is eating like $20m a year.