QB Craziness
Posted: February 10th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 335 Comments »Nick Foles up and down showing in 2014 combined with his injury and the presence of Marcus Mariota in the draft means that there will be a lot of QB talk for the next few months. Just get used to it.
Let’s start with Foles. Cian Fahey wrote a lengthy piece for Bleacher Report on why Nick Foles isn’t the answer at QB. Fahey did a lot of research and made a good case. On the flip side, this isn’t the first time he’s written a piece knocking Foles.
I don’t think any of us sees Foles as a finished product or sure thing. The hope is that he might get better and develop into a consistently good QB.
Mike Mayock does not think Foles is a franchise QB and thinks the Eagles should go hard after Marcus Mariota. Sounds great. I’d love to get Mariota. But making that a reality is a lot easier said than done. Mayock loves to point out that 31 teams would be projecting Mariota to their offense, while the Eagles know what he can do since he ran such a similar scheme at Oregon. That’s great. It doesn’t mean the other 31 teams won’t have interest in Mariota.
I would love nothing more than to see Chip Kelly reunited with his protege. That would be fantastic. But the Bucs, Jets, Rams, and Texans all need QBs and pick ahead of the Eagles. Teams like the Titans, Skins, Bears, Giants, Browns and Chiefs could all be in the market for a QB, for now or the future. Just because Kelly and Mariota would make a compelling story doesn’t mean the rest of the NFL is going to let them reunite for the heck of it.
I hope Mariota does slide and the Eagles can make an aggressive move for Mariota. I just think that is an extreme long shot. Hope for it, but sure don’t count on it.
Yesterday some report broke that the Rams would cut QB Sam Bradford and that teams up high in the draft might prefer him to a rookie prospect. I get that Lovie Smith would love to “win now” with a veteran QB instead of waiting for 2016 since the Bucs were so bad last year. But…is Sam Bradford any good?
The stats aren’t encouraging. Bradford doesn’t win games. He doesn’t post gaudy numbers. He doesn’t jump out on tape. Bradford was an elite prospect coming out of Oklahoma, but that was a lifetime ago.
Could Bradford’s release benefit the Eagles?
Hypothetical: Rams release Bradford, trade for Foles, Bucs sign Bradford, Eagles use extra pick(s) from STL to trade up for Mariota. Boom.
— Brandon Lee Gowton (@BrandonGowton) February 9, 2015
Still a major long shot, but adding a QB to the market certainly can’t hurt the Eagles.
Eagles OC Pat Shurmur was on the Rams staff when they drafted Bradford. They spent one year together. Is it possible that Shurmur could try and sell Kelly on taking a chance on Bradford? Possible. Bradford was a good athlete coming out of OU. He’s been hurt some in the NFL so I’m not sure how athletic he is anymore.
While he might have a higher ceiling than Foles, I don’t think there is a lot of benefit to going after Bradford as a potential starter. I do think he would be interesting as a backup, but he’ll likely get offers to at least compete for a starting job elsewhere.
The veteran QB I’m most interested in is still RG3. The problem is that it seems like the Skins may keep him around for now.
This could be a pretty wild few months. Will Bradford be cut? Will RG3? Will Foles be traded? What do the Bears do with Jay Cutler? Who takes a chance on Mark Sanchez? Where do Mariota and Jameis Winston end up? You also know there could be some interesting surprise moves.
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The NFL Combine is happening next week. One bit of bad news.
BTW, NFL Scouting Combine is next week. For 1st time since I've been covering #Eagles, no one in coaching or scouting will talk to reporters
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) February 10, 2015
We weren’t going to get any hard-hitting news from Ed Marynowitz or Chip Kelly, but they at least would have said something of interest. Disappointing that neither will speak and give us some insight into what has happened or what will happen.
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I think Bradford’s release would make it less likely the Eagles get Mariota. Knowing Jeff Fisher, I think he definitely wants Mariota since he loves mobile QBs (Vince Young, Steve McNair). With the talent he’s already accumulated, he might even trade up.
I agree that RG3 is the best option to be the backup QB (with a shot at starter if Foles blows) if he is available in a trade. Redskins might be trying to not tip their hand to increase his value. I think Gruden can’t wait to get rid of him. To bring this post full circle, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Skins are where Bradford ends up.
Foles/RGIII would be a good combo. You start with RGIII, then put Foles in when RGIII gets hurt in game 4 or 5. You ride Foles through the middle of the season, and hopefully RGIII is ready to come back when Foles gets hurt around game 12-13. Give the ball to RGII until he gets hurts in the first playoff game and then it’s Matt Barkley to the Super Bowl!
My thoughts exactly on the Bradford rumor. If the Rams cut Bradford there’s just another opening for a team that now needs a starting QB. You have a team that has had multiple extra picks in the last few years after the RGIII trade who might not be too concerned with trading away picks this year. They have a talented roster outside of QB and their coach loves mobile QBs.
RGIII is a damn locker room cancer, no, no, no.
I live down in the DC metro area so I get to hear all of the talk flying around about him, his attitude and his acceptance in the locker room.
Tim Brown’s recent comments about him after interacting with him through the years at various Heisman events:
“He’s tough. He’s a different guy. There’s no laughter, there’s no let me get in here with the boys. Everyone’s telling jokes with each other and you say something to him and it’s like, ‘Oh, wow, really?’ Instead of taking it further what happens is that everyone is like he’s not in the room yet so you end up talking around him the whole time and that’s not cool. Everyone else is in here having fun and having a jovial time. That’s something he has to understand. This is a team sport. If it was golf, brother, I’d say go for it. But if you play a team sport and want to be a leader of a team sport, you have to loosen up a little bit.”
I Like this efficient approach from Kelly. His staff is finally together and should be 100% focused on finding the best talent. Talking to the media does nothing towards team goals/mission.
preach it
Throw ol’Jimmy a bone. He needs to keep his job somehow!
Plus if he doesn’t have anything to talk about he’ll get more players cut!
Worse, he might draw pictures.
HAHA as a fan I am disappointed. From a business standpoint this does nothing to help the team succeed and they haven’t been together very long lol.
Besides Ol Jimmy can just draw up some cartoons of the team shutting out the media at the combine or time lapse Tommy running a 40 against an Olineman lol
The problem with that article is that it doesn’t compare Foles with other QBs, he had a higher % throws OVER 20 yards than any other QB in 2013, of course he had a lot of short throws BECAUSE EVERY QB DOES. In fact, one of Foles’ flaws was that he was relatively inaccurate in the 1-10 yard range where most QBs pad their stats.
The real issue with Foles is mechanics and speeding up his decision making. And those will be similar issues with Mariota. Somethings to think about with Mariota:
1) he’s skinny, he’s going to have to bulk up (see Brady) and when he does, he’s gonna slow down, those 60 yards runs in college won’t be there when he loses a tenth of a second against defenders who are faster than what he saw in college.
2) he looks great throwing to open receivers against mediocre defenders, but as the championship game showed, not so good against NFL caliber defenders and smaller windows. How many spread QBs have succeed in the NFL the last decade?
3) he doesn’t have a great arm, I’m not sure it’s as good as Foles, and he’s not that accurate, college accuracy is far different than NFL accuracy.
I wouldn’t trade up for Mariota, I don’t think he’s that much better than Bridgewater or Carr last year – he’s physically not nearly as talented as Tannehill, for example. Better than Geno Smith, but nothing close to a sure thing.
Nor is it a slam dunk that he can run Chip’s pro scheme, ask Huff if it’s easy to pick up compared to Oregon!
Mariota hasnt even worked out at the combine or for any NFL team yet.. Hasnt even stepped on the field as a Pro.. Hes not much better than Bridgewater or Carr.. Not physically as talented as Tannehill.. Better than Geno but nothing close for sure..? Hmmm.. So is Foles better than all QBs you mentioned? Just like media are jumping on him or pumping him up so are the fans.. Chip Kelly O wasnt suppose to work in the NFL media, fans,critics were saying.. Sounds like that same way of thinking is Mariota wont be successful in the NFL
“The problem with that article is that it doesn’t compare Foles with other QBs, …”
Thank you. This is exactly what I thought when I was reading this article.
yesterday CSN posted some crazy stat comparing Nicks first 24 starts with Rothlisberger, Manning, Brees, and Bradys first 24 games…. results would surprise people
yea lets compare Foles with people who played under total different rules….
Have you seen the Andy Dalton to Peyton Manning one?
yup… seen them all… cant cherry pick stats pal, they either matter or they dont… all it shows is young Nick has a promising start to his career compared to other young QBs transition to the NFL.. the stats say nothing about what he will mature into. but feel free to cherry pick away
So you really think Dalton is the next Peyton Manning because his stats in total different passing era matches?
exactly what i said. take it and run with it
you forgot to click on his Eli Manning fluff piece where it has a few charts from other QBs (but also argues Aaron Rodgers would have thrown 27 ints in 2013 if he was on the Giants)
lol wow
It’s not the only problem. Any article that attempts to define “accurate” and “inaccurate” passes based off film review is essentially meaningless because they have no clue what the called route was for the receiver.
This is interesting because I distinctly remember a piece on NFLN after the first Skins game where Mayock said he did believe Foles was a franchise QB.
And this is not a slight to Mayock; I like him quite a lot. Just interesting to see how the opinion on whether Foles is a franchise QB seems to vary so much.
“Just interesting to see how the opinion on whether Foles is a franchise QB seems to vacillate so much.”
OR how people are too quick to bestow the “franchise QB” label… just as Bradford, RG3 and Sanchez have been called before. To me “franchise QB” is something that can only be determined after X amount of years and/or post-season success. Like, do we call Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford “franchise QBs”? What about Jay Cutler or Cam Newton? We need a term for QB’s who are not quite career backups yet not quite “franchise”… Goldilocks QBs?
A franchise QB is someone you sign to a big contract and then don’t regret it a year or two later.
So we’ll know circa 2017 whether Russell Wilson is a franchise QB. That sounds sarcastic but I think that’s a fair way to curb this rampant “franchise QB”-flation.
I think there is a difference between Franchise QB and Super Bowl Winning QB. I think a franchise QB are your elite guys, like Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers. Your super bowl winning ones are the guys like Wilson, Eli and Flacco. There’s not reason to think that Foles isn’t capable of being a super bowl winning QB.
A franchise QB, IMO, is simply one who doesn’t need to be replaced. If you have one, you’re set and you then move on to building the rest of the team. The bar seems to be quite high for such a player in the current NFL.
That’s fair. I guess what I was trying to say is you don’t need to be considered “elite” to be a franchise. Kinda like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.
Pre-combine draft…… *yawn*
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Jalen Collins, CB, LSU (B)
Round 3 Pick 20: Lorenzo Mauldin, OLB/DE, Louisville (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (C+)
Round 4 Pick 20: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA (B+)
Round 6 Pick 20: Levi Norwood, WR, Baylor (F)
Round 7 Pick 20: Erick Dargan, SS, Oregon (C-)
unfortunately i doubt Jalen Collins gets out of round 1, 6’2 corner is going to put a smooth display oif athleticism on at the combine… I assume he will be one of the first two corners drafted by the time the draft rolls around…. love to see him in eagle green…
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devin smiths stock is all over the place, sometimes i see people thinking he wont last til #20, other times i see him available late round 2… I assume 35-50 range is appropriate for him… Love the deep threat big play abilithy he brings opposite Maclin, allowing Pope to continue working the middle of the field
I could see him making it out of the first. Sure he has a good build but is still learning the position, not exactly physical on the run game and doesn’t generate turnovers on a regular basis.
Because his technique is crap.
Bingo sometimes he looks like Bradley toasted out there, doesn’t even know the ball is released yet while the receiver is already about to catch it among other issues.
Good scout on him
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-player-profiles-lsu-cb-jalen-collins/
doubt he does either…. not a very good corner class with Marcus Peters going all sprewell on a coaches neck… assume Trae and Jalen are the first two corners drafted, but thats assuming he does what i think he will do at the combine… there is always a chance we measure him and he isnt 6’2 which changes things…
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i like Colins, but he has no chance to start as a rookie, so if you have to groom a CB, might as go with the raw ability of Q rollins in round 2 so our fans dont cry that our first round pick isnt playing
And I’m not the only one who thinks so.
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/564235229892579328
Yeh, I think so, that’s what I said.
there will always be 2-3 corners drafted in round 1, with the first corner coming off the board in the 8-13 range.. and there wont be 2 or 3 corners teams covet more than Jalen I would assume… other than Trae, i cant even guess who would get picked ahead of him at corner
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-player-profiles-lsu-cb-jalen-collins/
You really think that Anthony and Drummond will be there in the 4th??
Anthony possibly, Drummond, no. I think Anthony is mid third to early 4th and Drummond bottom of 2nd to mid third.
Chip has complete control. If he can drop jackson (making 9m unguaranteed dollars) for maclin who is going to want $10+, he can trade our future for Mariota, or not. He can drop Shady, or not. Sadly we have very little access into what he’s thinking or how he feels about players (which is a little sad from a fan obsession / experience point of view).
If Foles is Andy Dalton, you can keep him pay him less and try to build a team around him using the extra $$. Or you can move on from the purgatory that Cincy is in and go to the one that the bills, texans, browns are in.
Shouldn’t the Eagles think about extending Foles this year?
You probably get him at a good price, you probably want him around for at least another year even if you draft someone, and then if you have a new starter in 2017, you can get something for him rather than lose him via free agency.
won’t happen, see jeremy maclin even if eagles move on there’s lots of other teams that will pay him
My guess: Chip Kelly drafts a QB this year and it’s not Mariota.
Best not be Hundley.
Yes please be Hundley.
“slow eyes” isn’t what I need from a QB.
“Slow eyes” means he’s taking an extra couple ticks before moving on in his progressions. It’s not an uncommon thing for young QBs. He doesn’t turn 22 til June. He’s not going to be reading the field like a 10 year vet. Alot of QB’s coming out don’t even play full field progressions.
“Slow eyes” means the same thing as:
“Progressions: Can take extra half second to move on from covered
primary reads. Likes to work half the field with his eyes on levels but
is capable of utilizing full field of play.”
-Kyle Crabs, NDTscouting
Choice of words can connote a world of difference in the mind’s eye of the reader.
I hear what you’re saying, but the Cosell comments on Hundley are very powerful to me. Also, a guy with 479 rushing attempts as a QB in appx. 40 games is really concerning to me. It will take a lot of convincing to get me to believe that a guy who runs that often is going to settle down and play the position properly in the NFL.
I just don’t want any type of running BS going on with the QB position.
If you think Hundley is going to cool his heels and develop as a pocket passer, I’ll listen. But I have doubts that he’ll be successful transition to playing the game the right way.
I like him because of his ability as a passer. He’s got the arm to make every throw. He shows the ability to make truely difficult passes. He beats cover 2 by putting the ball over the corner before the safety gets there. He has an effective pump fake. He knows to look off safety on go routes.
His athleticism and running are just an added bonus.
You’ll never see me advocate for a Braxton Miller or Nick Marshall. (well maybe Marshall as a CB project)
Hundley has good touch. People are pegging him as the next RG3 because he’s not as smart and decisive as Brady/Brees. The sad news is neither is Foles.
Again, I’ll respect your POV due to the film you watch, but I’m going to have to see it to believe it on an NFL field with Hundley.
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/178602719727190017
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/178603052394225664
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/178603688217165824
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/186467861601075203
Cosell is just as harsh on Nick Foles, and he’s been in the league for three years.
So where do you want to start? The flawed, but athletically gifted rookie with a great arm, or the flawed, plodding, three year veteran?
Are you high on Hundley? I’m not seeing much to like there. Accuracy’s all over the place at times and he generally just makes one read before tucking and running. I know it’s a lazy comparison but he looks like a poor man’s Kaep to me.
Of course I liked Colt McCoy coming out so, you know. What am I missing?
NFL.com called him a poor man’s Jason Campbell.
Remember who his coach is.
Mora does not have a great offensive system for a guy with Hundley’s talent. Had Hundley been going to Ohio State or Oregon, he would be going top 10.
I’d challenge you to go back and watch the film of him and don’t watch it like you watch football. Just focus on him, his footwork, his eyes, everything up to the point where he releases the ball. I think you’ll come away with a different opinion.
The one read and run is a big oversimplification. I’ve seen him progress through two receivers on the right, look at a player on a crosser over the middle, and then find his running back out on the sideline on the left side of the field. Part of it comes from just how truly terrible his offensive line was, for a team like UCLA, it was embarrassing. I also don’t know that he had a single receiving weapon this year that will be drafted. There were alot of times where he’s getting to the top of his dropback and there are pass rushers already there waiting for him.
Additionally UCLA ran alot of delayed QB draw with him, that unless you go back and look at the OL blocking, seems like it’s passing.
His footwork can go hell on occasion (but this is what QB coaches are for) and he has moments where he gets a bit overwhelmed and plays like it but remember expectations for that UCLA team were really high. They were expected to win the south easily and push a Stanford or Oregon to get in one of the glamor bowls. In reality, Hundley was the only draftable starter on that offense.
Keep in mind the talent he had around him when evaluating him. Mariotta had two top 100 OL, a breakout freshman RB, and a couple receiving weapons that will end up getting picked in a draft.
Jameis Winston had 5 OL who will probably all start in the league as well as a bevy of talented backs and receivers.
So much this and I also just think the overall UCLA offensive scheme was terrible.
People will point to Jamies been more pro ready because he ran a pro style system, but UCLA ran what you can pretty much describe as a pro style system as well, but difference is the talent around them and yet Hundley performaed much better than Jamies.
Jameis made pro style throws into tight windows and had to will his team of future NFL starters to victory. The 18 picks he threw this year weren’t his fault. They were (insert nonsensical bullcrap here) fault not his. However Brett Hundley is a bad decisionmaker. This is evidenced by his massive number of interceptions. Oh, he only threw 5 this year? Well he’s not pro ready or something…
Horay for narrative.
Thanks. Appreciate the response. I take your point re play design and talent around him, I guess I just think that leaves a huge amount of projection because you’re left hoping/expecting he’ll be able to do things he hasn’t done consistently (albeit that may be due to things outwith his control).
Either way, thanks again. I’ll take another look
“he generally just makes one read before tucking and running”
Is this true? Or are you just fitting a narrative?
I don’t see that at all. I see a guy that does a good job climbing the pocket and probably doesn’t take off quickly enough behind a bad offensive line, leading to a lot of bad sacks.
Edit: What D3FB said.
Certainly seems to happen a lot from what I’ve seen of him. He may very well just be doing what’s asked of him but I certainly didn’t see much sign of him going through progressions to great effect.
colt looked good beating the cowgirls
Alas that game was very much the nut to Colt’s blind squirrel. Willing to concede I was very wrong in my evaluation of him.
yeah i was surprised they went back to rg, then they beat us and i knew they were keeping him another year/
A month ago it was “I don’t want a one read and run guy” (not necessarily you, but from the anti-Hundley crowd), now its “slow eyes is’t what I need from a QB”, which one is it?
In the 4th round I won’t mind.
In what round would you do it?
First
Wow. Then no ILB etc. when would you expect him to start?
There’s no ILB this year worthy of being a first round pick in the first place.
LIE!!! maybe its not a lie, but at #22 we will be chosing from second round grades most likely and plenty of highly graded round 2 ILBs… i assume atleast 2 will go in the 20-30 range… considering i expect to trade back from 22, i think an ILB is very much in play
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You don’t take 2 down ILBs in the first round so McKinney and Perryman are already ruled out. Kendricks will be pushed down because of the depth of the draft and his injuries might be a flag.Thompson has no real position as of now.
erik kendricks is a 3 down LB, the loss of Meco was the reason we had to play single high safety in december and not giveid slow down talking both corners safety help. Billy had to leave the corners on an Island, put a safety in the box or teams would have ran all over our Dime the way Saints trampled our nickel with their run game…. Lack of ILB that can play on 3rd down is one of the main reasons everyone bitched about single high safety down the stretch, better prioritize finding a 3rd LB beside Mykal and Meco that can be trusted in Nickel.. ILB is so much more important than people realize, for us considering the Meco injury,
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btw, id slow down talking about what McKinney can do, dont be surprised if peoples jaws drop when they see how athletic he really is at the combine… i dont know if he can play on 3rd down as a rookie, but i would not be surprised to see him grow into a 3down ILB…way more athletic than people are giving him credit for… but we’ll know for sure at the combine
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erik kendricks is available at 22, and he wont make it past GB in round 1, 3 down ILB, that help out in our base, and allow us to play Nickel if Meco or Myka;l cant play. we have inside info on him, know his high charecter family well… No brainer as far as im concerned… lack of ILB is the main reason everyone bitched about our corners not getting safety help, and yous would have bitched way more if Billy was allowing the offense to run all over our dime… people still bitch about the saints loss
meh… dont really see the concerns in Shaq.. stick 10-15lbs on him and you have a lavonte David type. front 3 keeps beasting Shaq can run around untouched making plays ////but id rather eliminate the guess work and go with Erik Kendricks… i would love to clone Mykal kendricks, this is the next best thing lol
Also then you must have decided Foles is not the answer.
Nope, my article on the subject will be up soon.
where will it be up? I look forward to it.
Does this mean like an Aaron Rodgers thing?
doesn’t he throw a disproportionate number of screens / short passes?
He throws a good chunk of them but you can’t blame the player for the offense he’s in. He has expereince with packaged plays which is a plus for us, and he’s also pushing the ball down field plenty.
You sold me hard on Hundley. He’s a blast to watch.
my money is on foles, sanchez, barkley all back for one more year.
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continuity matters, people are high if they think chip is going to look to add a new QB or two every offseason…. no QB in year 1 will ever be good enough anyway… hopefully sanchez is down to compete with foles and stay for one more year, instead of going to start for some offensively challenged team again
Here is the key quote for me;
“Because of the design of Kelly’s offense, he doesn’t need a quarterback with incredible precision. He needs a quarterback who can work from the pocket and make quick decisions to locate open receivers downfield. Foles regularly locates his receivers, but even when they are wide open he can struggle to find them.”
I’m not sure how blocking dependent Foles is going to remain in this area, but I think it is the only way we should be discussing Foles, how far we can go with Foles, and if there is a reason to try to move on from Foles.
I think we need the real to properly evaluate Foles and see if the team is going to get to the 11+ wins this trash schedule indicates they should. If not, then maybe we need to find a better QB who can “..work from the pocket and make quick decisions to locate open receivers downfield” rather than cheerlead looking for some mindless garbage running QB.
You put a lot of faith in Cosell, yet you wanna bet on Foles despite his harsh words on Foles?
Who is betting on Foles? I want to see him do it, or not do it, this year.
A “bet” on Foles would be a long term contract right now. We’re only paying him garbage draft pick wages right now and outside of a trade up for Mariota (which I doubt) there isn’t another plausible starting option for the year.
I’ll full well concede that Foles might not become the guy, but we have to get a better pocket passer if that’s the case, not a guy playing the game the wrong way by running more than a few times a game.
ID BET ON HIM. GET me a playoff defense and a playoff OL and Ill bet on Nick all day….
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2015/02/2015-nfl-draft-quarterback-passing-chart-project/
Its pretty much Mariota then a huge jump to Hundley+Petty and a bunch of other QBs. Jamies Winston is only scored as the 7th best QB in terms of charting his throws.
i heard Petty was the name i should get up to speed with…. of Course that doesnt mean much because i doubt the eagles know what they are doing this soon in the offseason Process… but I was told to watch Petty, tho im not much of A FAN
Jesus christ, can you please shut up with this “I heard” BS.
I heard you heard we were supposed to hear something about Brandon Graham’s contract status two weeks ago.
Oh, no? Never mind, lets never speak about it again, but let’s hear about the one time you guessed right a thousand times more.
Geez, will you two get a room? Preferably one shaped like an octagon and surrounded by a chain fence.
Maybe have Aunty Entity as emcee?
Excuse u?
The #Eagles still not talking to the media is a disgrace and one of the worst public relations of any high profile company that I can remember.
A weeee bit hyperbolic. Worst PR by a high profile company? A football team won’t talk to local media for a couple months in the offseason? Hell just look at anything Rodger Goodell has done in the last 12 months. Additionally, Companies litterally directly cause the death of people every day, refuse to admit liability, and say stuff like “well we changed someone on the board and payed the family a couple hundred grand because it was cheaper than not killing them”. But the football team is the disgrace.
I’m terribly dissappointed we won’t get the following:
Q: Chip, will you be trading every draft pick in perpetuity for Marcus Mariota?
A: Ummm, well I like Marcus, he’s a hell of a kid and really talented.
Q: So are you going to do that?
A: I’m not going to talk about any kind of draft hypothetical.
Q: So if not Marcus Mariota, does that mean that you are going to draft Jameis Winston? Do his off field issues concern you at all? Are you worried he would rape your mother?
A: What did I literally just say guys.
Q: Chip, this ultimatum you gave Lurie about Howie Roseman. Did you make any other threats? Should we give you a billion dollars or you will somehow make the Schuylkill water even less drinkable?
A: It wasn’t an ultimatium, Jeff, Howie, Don and I sat down and decided that the new direction for the front office was in the best interest of all those involved. As far as the other, Angelo pollutes the air with his brand of garbage, so obviously whenever I do his show that’s what we’re plotting.
Q: So this whole Howie thing is because he fired Gamble right? I mean I really liked Gamble because he told me stuff as an “anonymous front office source” so therefore he was really good at his job? Also why couldn’t you hire anybody from another team, hiring people from the outside is always better.
A: Les, your glasses look stupid. Stop trying to imply I’m the smelly kid in middle school that none of the girls want to dance with.
Headlines the next day:
“CHIP KELLY TRADING YOUR CHILD 4 MARIOTTA, WINSTON RAPES GRANDMOTHERS & CHIP DOESN”T DENY, CHIP PLOTTING TO DESTROY TRI-STATE WITH LOCAL RADIO PERSONALITY (click to find out who), CHIP IS BIG MEANIE HEAD WHO PICKS ON JOURNALIST”
Let’s just have D3FB do weekly fake Chip Kelly press conferences. Problem solved.
+1
I read this in a setting where I needed to be silent and straight-faced. It was really difficult. Well done.
You really ought to put the phone down when sitting shiva.
hands-free sets are allowed by most non-orthodox congregations. Heck, I even saw a bacon brunch at the last one I attended
Derek begs to differ.
yea it so terrible Kelly wont talk to the media and answer their terrible questions.
I have zero problems with Kelly not talking to them unless he has to or wants to.
yeah because of how worthless our media is, probably prefer kelly not talking to those morons for a few months…. should just give sheil kapadia an exclusive and tell the rest of the local hacks to piss off til march
How exactly does talking to the media benefit the Eagles? Is it going to affect sales? I severely doubt that anyone is going to base their decision whether or not to buy tickets or merchandise on whether or not the Eagles spend 10 minutes talking to the media and not really telling them anything. As I said before, I don’t think Kelly gives a flying flip about “public relations”. The Eagles are a private company. The fans purchase a product. When Pepsi or GM change executives, should people who buy those products expect the company to explain their decision-making process? When a TV show kills off a cast character, do the producers have an obligation to do an interview for EW explaining the decision? If there were shareholders, then they would deserve an explanation. In case it’s mentioned, no, having season tickets or holding a personal seat license is not the equivalent of being a shareholder. The Eagles have no obligation, besides what the NFL dictates, of speaking to the media or explaining anything to the media or fans. One might be able to make an argument that doing so would benefit the Eagles, but it’s their right to make that decision.
i could understand talking to media if local coverage was responsible, but its not, so you better off not giving them anything…my dream is for chip to win a superbowl so he c an go “full bellichek” and not give our media anything!! they dont know what to do with the intel anyway
Seeing as how Marshawn didn’t get fined for it, I think Kelly should start every NFL mandated press conference with Lynch’s “I’m just here so I won’t get fined!” quote.
blogs would die, what’d be point
wow, I would die laughing
They are worse than Satan, almost as bad as Comcast.
Comcast is worse than Satan. At least Satan is nice to you.
i will never give two craps about anything ever written on bleacher report. its like half a step above elliot jackass parks
Nothing is below elliot. Nothing.
truth!!!!!!!!!!!
its the NY post for sports
this marriotta crap is ruining one of my favorite times of year. cant wait til this kid is on someone elses team, and cant wait til chip no longer has any ties to the current Oregon duck players so we can put this crap behind us… every year this time is some fabricated BS by clown media…
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year 1: foles will be traded because chip kelly is a moron who trades away QBs that dont run fast enough, foles would never never never be able to play for chip kelly… that was 3 years ago
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year 2, Foles had 22-7 historic season, yet all the media tal;ked about was how jackass manziel was chip kellys wet dream…. how did months of manziel talk end up? lol
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year 3… Marcus Marriotta, Jesus christ himself reincarnated into a hawain football god… blah blah blah blah blah
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oh and all those offseasons media was saying Meco was done, Cox could never play in this scheme, blah blah blah blah
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i swear like 15% of what we spend months taking about this time of year is reality. rather talk about GJ Kinney for 3 months, probably more pertinent to eagle reality
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see you in april foles…
Then you’ll just hear about how we should trade for him and how big a mistake we made by not selling the farm for him. How he or Nick play won’t matter.
your probably right. 1 way or another it will never end til we hire a coach with no ties to college players. skinny kid, probably get his body destroyed by year 3, then it can end
Ha ha. I think you nailed it. He will be drafted in the top five and for the next few years everyone will talk about the eagles trading for him.
QB situation is a lot simpler than people think it is.
1. If Mariota falls into the 8-12 range, which can still happen (look no further than Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater), then you make a reasonable trade up to get him.
2. If he doesn’t, draft Hundley at #20. Trade Nick for a 2015 2nd and a 2016 2nd.
3. Sign Matt Moore.
Done and done.
Bet your lifesavings on this. Brett HUndley will be the first QB taken!!
Can we bet yours?
matt moore? mariota is a heisman guy great character he’ll be no. 2. eagles have no chance.
Matt has showed signs at times ha. I joked about this a few days ago when a list of FA qbs was out. I wouldnt hate him as a backup, Id prefer it over sanchez, anyone but sanchez.
Brandon Bridge in the 3rd or 4th. Why waste a 1st round pick on Hundley? Bridge will be better.
Not based on any of the film that I’ve watched. Granted, I’m just a guy.
find it interesting how all our former Eagles players think Foles is the real deal, but the media nerds disagree… its really hard to find a former Eagle in this city thats down on Nick… most think if you fix the defense and OL, you can win with Nick.. from Bucky Brooks, to trotter, Hollis, westbrook, dawkins, Ike Reese, all big believers in foles with exception of McMoron of course…… the media fantasy football nerds see it different…
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really find this dynamic interesting How former players, media and fanbase can be so divided on a young player that has done nothing but win since learning this offense.
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no offense to Gonzo, Les or whatever media dork, but i dont give a flying fuck what that nerd thinks about a football player… i genuinly couldnt care less… im embarressed for CSN everytime they trot that geek gonzo out on camera to talk eagles…smh all because the kid didnt come with a 1st round grade attached to him..
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imagine if russel Wilson was our QB, how many times would our fans have called to bench him during those 150yard, no TD bad games he has been prone to having….wilson hasnt always been the main reason for tyeir success. RB and defense has won plenty of games for them… nick is like 14-4… what would his record be with that defense? 16-2?
They also talked about 5 as if he were Superman, but he was only that good for a couple of years. The rest of the time he wasn’t much better than average.
.Not really. I hear Hollis and Ike talk about McNabbs short comings all the time. They didn’t rip him as a team mate but since they joined the media they have always been honest about 5
I was thinking about when they were teammates. They seemed to genuinely think he was one of the very best, when to me, he was a big part of the problem.
ESPN Cleveland’s Tony Grossi expects the Browns to let OLB Jabaal Sheard walk as a free agent.
Sheard posted a career-low two sacks as a 3-4 outside linebacker under first-year coach Mike Pettine this past season and is best-suited for a 4-3 defense with his hand in the dirt. Despite the poor pass-rushing numbers, Sheard was PFF’s No. 2-ranked 3-4 outside ‘backer in run defense. Just 26 (in May), Sheard should have a healthy market after posting 15.5 sacks his first two seasons.
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Steelers GM Kevin Colbert hasn’t ruled out using the transition tag on free agent OLB Jason Worilds for the second-consecutive year.
Playing under the tag in 2014, Worilds made $9.754 million. It would cost closer to $11 million in 2014. Speaking Tuesday, Colbert all but ruled out using the franchise tag on his edge rusher. The franchise tag is more costly, and Pittsburgh has one of the league’s worst cap situations. The transition tag gives teams the right of first refusal, but no compensation if a tagged player signs an offer sheet elsewhere and the tagging team decides not to match.
Source: Gerry Dulac on Twitter
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roto has it up…
Let’s go get Sheard!!!..lol you know I liked that comment
That was for u daddy
No tommy, this is all code, you have to read in between the lines. By not talking to media the Eagles are clearly stating that we are going to sell the farm to get Marshawn Lynch. *insert half-baked reasoning on why the Eagles HAVE to have Marshawn Lynch*
we need a player with a cool nickname and a skittles habit
And don’t forget the dreads, that’s a necessity on this team
Like I always say, no defense is complete without some Dreads and a samoan
Couldn’t agree more.
It’s funny, I read the BR article, I’ve never been a fan of “here is a cherry-picked sample of plays that demonstrate my point, therefore…” All he did was show that Nick Foles can execute the easy stuff for devastating results.
Honestly looking at his play selection, the most striking thing was watching us use Desean Jackson to clear out zones and making space on the field for other play makers to operate in the passing game, in a way that wasn’t simply “safeties shade to Jackson’s side of the field so Riley Cooper can go deep”.
The other thing it showed of course is that Chip Kelly is awesome.
When Foles’ stats are awesome, it’s “It’s Kelly’s system!”. When Foles struggles, it’s “Chip needs a better QB for his system!” You ever think that while Foles struggled himself, a big part of his regression was the entire system struggling? This isn’t directed at you specifically, Ark87. Just commenting on the criticisms of Foles.
I wasn’t saying one way or the other, just pointing out that while the article title is “Foles isn’t the answer”, it should be, “Chip Kelly is awesome” Because that is all he managed to demonstrate.
yup, seems like in CK second season, he and Davis were stubborn with players and scheme. The math is there, run that same play again. We heard opposing defenses say several times they knew what plays were coming. I have no problem with it, his scheme produces but I would prefer he mix it up just a bit more at times esp in the run game. I get there were O line issues, just hope CK continues to be creative as opposing defenses adjust. I also think a lot of fans just didnt want to believe losing the QB on both sides of the ball was as hard as it was to overcome.
I think the logic is the same as the old Green Bay Sweep. You new it was coming, but when it was executed properly, you couldn’t stop it. I’m not sure I agree with that philosophy in the modern era, but it may work.
can foles carry a team? i think if the passing game was more prolific the run game could have been more consistent.
I don’t think so. For example, in the SF game, they rotated a safety late. There were 5 and 6 yard gains to be had fairly regularly, but Shady started dancing when the safety was 6 yards out. After SF, more teams moved to the late rotation, because they knew it was enough to get Shady dancing. Against bad defenses, he was able to juke the safety and inflate his stats. Against good defenses, he really disappeared, even when the safety wasn’t in the box.
If the defenses really were just keying on Shady, there’s no way they would have used the late rotation scheme. The late rotation scheme was begging Foles/Kelly to run the ball, based on the numbers at the pre-snap read.
ya thats why I wanted to see more creative runs. Although that seems to be awfully nitpicky. It seemed so creative in year 1, yet repetitive in year 2? or is that defenses adjusting, probably a bit of both.
watching the tape they saw plays were there just not hitting them. i think teams took away the easy screens that killed people last year.
I’ve never said that I thought Foles was an elite difference-making QB. If you can get a Mariota without giving up the farm, then I’d be for it. Foles’ detractors though are over the top with their criticisms of him.
Yeah I have to agree with this. There’s no in-between.
Everyone on offense was guilty of poor execution on a weekly basis (except Jason Peters, he’s perfect). I don’t think it was necessarily more Foles than anyone else. But given the D the offense needs to put up 35 a game. If Foles can hit that number against good teams, great.
Now we’ll see if, on defense, we make moves necessary to allow us to hold a team to under 20 points. If we can do that I think Foles is good enough to get us into the playoffs.
can russel wilson Carry a team?
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Nick went 14-4 without a stacked team in place.. what would his record have been if he had the best defenbse of the past decade? 16-2? 17-1?
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dont give a crap about the style points. QBs and Coaches are the two positions judged by wins and losses. i didnt make the rules, thats the way it is, and rules suggest that if we build a good enough team, Foles wont hold us back from winning… can he carry a team on his back like andrew Luck? probably not, but neither can wilson, Tannahil, Kap or any young QB not named Luck
Are we getting SEA’s defense? Is Kelly an offensive coach or a defensive coach? Different teams have different needs and so allocate money differently. In this scheme, on this team, offense has to put up points (28-35 points last year), and the D isn’t stopping anyone consistently (despite Cary and Sconces being “big game corners”). That means you may need a Qb that can carry the team more than SEA whose strength is D, and has a secondary that can carry a team.
sorry i dont buy the offensive coach bullshit… yes, I assume chip has every intention of building a good defense which doesnt happen overnight…. when we signed chip kelly after his first free agency and draft, I warned that we had about 70% of the personnel for an eventual top defense already in place, I warned we had the best front 7 in the division, and everyone laughed… puppies grew up, and that no longer sounds so crazy anymore…
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i dont know about you, but I dont think we are that far away from a top 10 defense… 3-4 players added, our puppies collectively older, stronger, more experienced and mature in their roles…and we are there..
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i know chip is an offensive mind, but unlike andy reid i dont for one second expect Chip to devalue defense, or a position the way andy reid devalued linebackers for 14 years…I believe chip knows how important defense is, even if the offense is what gives him a “chubby” .. actually, for someone so obsessed with Offense, chip didnt just hire the best defensive coordinator he could find and tell him to run whatever he wants.. Chip was very specific with what he wanted defensively and went out and got the coaches he felt could deliver that defensive vision for him… our coach cared much more about the specifics of our defense than Andy ever cared about what was happening on the defensive side of the ball…
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if your OFFENSIVE GENIUS, is friggin Obsessed with Special Teams, its pretty foolish to think he is an offensive coach who doesnt care about defense like Mike Martz…. chip knows every single position in the game of football can be weaponized if you have a good enough player in the right scheme… a coach who cared so much about special teams, I can assure you cares alot more about defense than this city pretends//
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actually, chip couldnt devalue defense even if he wanted to. he knows the pressure his offense can be put on a defense, so its foolishg to pretend he doesnt intend on building a top defense, just because it didnt happen overnight yet… we seen some solid defensive growth his first two years if we are being honest and rational, considering the historically putrid defense he inherited
Eagles don’t have to move up for him, in a sense. He gets drafted 1 or 2 and demands a trade to the Eagles. Eagled draft Hundley and trade him and a 3rd to whoever drafted Mariota. A la Eli trade. SD did wonderful with that trade and was able to grab a kicker in round 3 and the rest is history. It’s that simple….lmao — and relax — it’s just a joke…
I just don’t get the constant hits on Foles – he was 6-2 last year! He had an amazing partial season the year before. Who cares if he doesn’t have amazing stats or a Manning throwing style if he wins games?
exactly and he said it best at the start of the article, I think most fans believe this to be true:
“I don’t think any of us sees Foles as a finished product or sure thing.
The hope is that he might get better and develop into a consistently
good QB.”
In this age of instant, daily critique and gratification, people cant seem to hold onto that. Youre either a fanatic or a constant cynic. We need answers NOW, forget that learning and growing stuff.
i think it’s prescient b/c he was constantly eh, and he’s in the last year of his deal. probably if mariota wasn’t in this draft it’d matter less.
You really think Mariotta matters when hes so far out of reach? I think bringing in a QB is a no brainer regardless of what we think of Foles. I agree though in terms of conversation, I get it and my point has been regurgitated enough also. Maybe I read too much eagles stuff is the problem.
i mean i think you’re point is right. as much adulation as he got last year he probably is getting just as much or more criticism this year.
Because those of us that watched the games thought he didn’t look too hot and his W/L record isn’t an amnesia pill.
Who gives a good god dam how he “looks”? He wins, that’s all I care about. I know, you’d rather have a “flashy” player like Mike Vick again or RGKnee. Personally, I’ll take wins over ESPN highlights any day!
Well, I guess he’s better than Aaron Rogers then since the only thing that counts is wins and Rogers was only 5-3 through 8 games. And I guess Drew Brees is a scrub since he was 3-4 after week 8.
Obviously there’s more that goes into a win or a loss than one player.
As Eagles fans, we hoped to see a Nick Foles who could continue and build on his success from the previous season. What we saw was a QB that missed open receivers and often made bad decisions. If you didn’t see that, then frankly I don’t know what the hell you were looking at.
I guess you did look at the standings columns… But did you actually watch the games? If you did, are you saying you were encouraged by what you saw in Nick Foles and thought he proved that he had the talent to be a top NFL quarterback? If that’s what you saw, then once again, I don’t know what the hell you were looking at.
Did I say any of that you king sized a-hole? The idiots are busy here recently
wtf did you eat smart pills this morning? first time i dont regret reading one of your posts. congrats. gold star for you
The one time I have been exhausted by reading one of your rambling diatribes! Gold middle finger for you
When you say “he wins”, it almost seems like you don’t think the other 50 people on the team don’t matter and that the QB plays the game all by himself.
no, thats not what he says at all… facts are, coaches and QBs are the only positions that people talk about in terms of wins and losses… we didnt make up those rules, but wins and losses is how every single coach and QB are judged, so you dont get to change the rules when it comes to a QB you dont like… wins and losses are how all QBsd and coaches are judged, so Nick needs to be judged the same way…fact!
Well, I actually like Nick, but myself am not big on attributing wins to QBs as if they won them all by themselves like in arm-wrestling or something! The D and things like the O-line matter quite a bit…
Douche – how did Sanchez do with all those other guys? Good lord some of you people are morons!
Must be comforting to live in such a simple world?
A “simple world” where winning counts for more than flashy plays and players that lose games? Yeah, it’s great over here, you should try it.
Okay, I have no idea what you’re going on about, but I’ll try just one time.
No, it’s silly to count up the wins and losses and say it’s all about the QB. Take the last play of the Superbowl, for example. According to simplistic logic, Brady is better because the Patriots won. But what if Carroll had simply called a run and Lynch had gotten the TD? Then, all of a sudden, Wilson becomes a better QB? Makes no sense.
In any case, Brady played better than Wilson most of the game, and the Seahawks were only in it because about the luckiest play in the history of Superbowls. So even if Lynch got the call and the winning score, did the Seahawks really win because Wilson>Brady?
Sanchez was not a good QB when the Jets were winning, and he was not a good QB when the Eagles were winning. He has played pretty well on occasion. Foles has played very well at times, and played poorly at times. He does not become a better QB if the Cards’ WR doesn’t catch a bomb at the end of the fourth quarter. He doesn’t become a worse QB if the special teams and defense didn’t score at a historic pace when they were banking wins.
Nope, the QBs must be judged in other ways than whether their team simply won. Football, sad to say, is more complicated than Madden. The contributions of teammates, coaching, and pure dumb luck are often just as important or more.
Who the wins were against plays a big part. And the defensive and ST touchdowns saved at least one game, if not more. If you ignore everything else we saw last year and only look at W/L record, I can see why you’re confused.
Blah blah blah – Yeah those Colts sure did suck didn’t they? And many other teams lost to those same teams! And both of those losses can be blames on receivers dropping passes, but I guess YOU can ignore THAT. So what’s your point? He wins games. Plain and simple.
Come on, Tommy. Don’t give that website and especially that “writer” credence. That only weakens your own credibility. How do you know that he “did a lot of research”? He certainly DID NOT “make a good case” but only made himself appear mentally impaired and ungifted with the king’s English.
Cian Fahey is pretty good.
I’d wager he knows more about football than the majority of us, save for Tommy, D3FB and their ilk.
And Bleacher Report isn’t punchline it once was.
yeah it’s not like you need to be a football genius, the article interpreted facts based on his miss / hit stats from 2013. Personally i don’t know what people are expecting out of a guy w/ 20 games starting on a team where the offense really needs to be dominant.
Not sure I agree with that.
He has posted master pieces like this:
There is this piece of work where he argues that Aaron Rodgers would also have thrown 27 ints if he had played for the 2013 Giants
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2014/film-room-eli-manning
He also advocated for why Tony Gerhart would be a great RB in 2014, why the Eagles would have the worst defense in the NFL.
In 2008 he wrote how Eli Manning was better than Tom Brady and Jay Cutler and how both was better than Peyton Manning.
Yeah, the “worst defense in the NFL” thing was pretty funny. Pretty sure that was the week before we shut out the Giants.
thank you for bringing back that warm memory. Was a disappointing season the way it all ended, but that shut out and the Thanksgiving massacre are something to cherish, almost already forgot.
Trades don’t really happen in the NFL, and too many other teams need a QB for Winston or Mariota to fall out of the top 10 picks.
So… you’re 2015 starting QB for the Eagles is: Nick Foles. Hopefully this year he can play a full season and prove that he is a franchise QB.
This off season is more about deciding whether Barkley is a good enough backup QB or not. My guess is that he is, and that the Eagles grab Bennett in round 7 to be the third stringer.
I’m all for Foles being the QB next year.
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As for your point on Barkley, you have to be kidding when you say you think he is good enough to be a backup right? He was on the trading block last year because the coaching didn’t trust him enough to be the backup, hence the signing of Sanchez. There are already reports that he may be cut this year in favor of GJ Kinne. I don’t read much into those rumors but Barkley is not a capable backup so you should pretty much discard any idea you have of that.
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The hope is that the Eagles sign another veteran or reclamation project, for example Locker, to be the backup and let Kinne and Barkley fight it out for the 3rd string job.
I guess I could see Locker, but honestly none of the reclamation project QBs excite me this year. Locker is the best of the bunch but isn’t he injury prone and more athlete than passer? I feel like Barkley vs Locker is kinda like Nnamdi vs DRC…
Yea I hear what you’re saying I am not really too enthused on the QBs that are already free agents, I was just using Locker as the first example. Being that free agency hasn’t started yet there could be multiple other options if teams decide to cut QBs.
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As for Barkley vs Locker, yes Locker is the more athletic guy as compared to Barkley but how I look at is Chip knew Barkley from there college days. Barkley was the 1st QB that Chip hand picked and drafted. So if he can’t stake claim to the backup job with all those things in his favor then I look at him as a lost cause.
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I would take Locker just based on the fact that he has started games in this league. He does have some athleticism to him so if he needed to come in for Foles that dynamic would help masked his passing flaws.
That’s a really good point about Chip and Barkley. And yes if Foles would go down for a game or two instead of a rest of the season kind of thing I do think Chip could win games with Locker’s abilities. So it does make good logical sense.
i would start Foles and try to trade Barkley for Glennon, if they say No, i consider trading one of our 4th round picks for Glennon… dont know why but I always saw some ability in that Glennon kid and i think Lovie is an idiot for not atleast giving that kid a shot before he shipped him away…
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I expect Nick to be our starting QB the next 5 years, which could make Glennon a solid backup for us if he develops right considering he is stylistically similar to Foles so if Nick got hurt and Glennon had to go in, the offense doesnt have to change at all…
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i dont know if Glennon can be a good enough starter, but i dont think he was given a chance to be able to rule him out, and if he cant be a good enough starter, id bet a coach like chip can grow him into a solid backup..
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dont know what I see in Glennon, but I like the kid for some reason that i cant figure out lol
“My guess is that he is, and that the Eagles grab Bennett in round 7 to be the third stringer.” What makes you say that?
Gotta think long term on Foles. He’s good, but is he as good as you need him to be? Good enough to pay? What’s the cutoff for getting a deal? Do you continually churn the Qb depth or do you jump up for a guy you really have faith in.
I think Foles needs one more season to show if he can be the QB the Eagles need to be a contender. If he stinks up the joint then he gets cut or signed to a backup contract. Worst case scenario is probably another weird season that’s a head scratcher that leaves the Eagles in QB purgatory if he turns out to be Dalton-esque.
I tend to believe that a healthy Foles leads the team to 10-11 wins and playoffs in 2015. If his completions are below 60% and INT rate is above 3% then it’s time to look elsewhere.
I just have a feeling the Eagles won’t spend a high pick on QB with this year’s odd QB class. I do think that Bennett may be someone that can be molded into a good QB by Chip.
10-11 wins might not be good enough
Foles turning out to be Dalton-esque is a likely outcome. Don’t think he will ever totally overcome his bad mechanics that lead to his accuracy issues
A little off the QB topic, and I haven’t been on the boards in a while, but does anyone see us having a bigger interest in bringing Raheem Moore from Denver because of our new DB’s coach Undlin? Maybe good for him to have at least one person he has worked with? Thoughts?
Wouldn’t mind Moore or Searcy from BUF is McCourty does indeed get tagged by the pats.
Rather have searcy
I would too, I was just wondering if we would have him higher now based on familiarity with Undlin?
we will have inside info on him, thats not always a good thing.. Undlins inside info isnt automatically going to be flattering, but the new DB coach doesnt have enough clout to really influence our roster decisions… Chip is certainly going to ask Undlin what he thinks about the young man, but Chip isnt just going to defer to a new DB coach for a roster decision…. chip will look at al our safety options, gather as much intel as he can, and go after our best option. Undlins input is greatly appreciated, but if chip doesnt see things the same way, we wont sign Rahim just because we have his DB coach…
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im in the middle of watcvhing all of Searcy’s snaps this year, almost half way thru this season…. I havent looked at Rahim close enough yet, but when his name is brught up, the first thing that pops into mind is letting WR get behind him and giving up X plays…
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I love how aggressive searcy is, without getting flagged for a penalty all year… sure seems like our secondary could use that type of dicsipline, a pleasant change from our flag fest secondary
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i really like the safety from the browns but he is a restricted free agent
How good has Searcy looked in man coverage to you so far brotha?. I’ve watched a couple of Buffalo games but I don’t recall seeing Searcy play too much man coverage so I defer to your opinion on that particular topic.
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As for Moore, I understand that thought of him against the Ravens that is always what pops in my head first but he had a solid year last year. I’ve watched more of him then others and he can absolutely play man to man coverage pretty well.
I definitely havent put in the work yet to really be able to speak on Rahim..so it probably isnt fair of me to fixate on the big play he gave up in the playoffs,…
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im about 6 games into the season.. see him matched up against TE’s more than i see him against a slot WRs so far.. Think he has done a solid job on TE’s.. after i get thru this season I really want to go back and see as much of last seasons snaps as i can, when he was in a subpackage role… i hate signing players after 1 big contract year that doesnt match his previous years, the mike mitchell effect, but our options are limited… annoyed that i deleted the torrents of last years Bills game, now im having a hard time finding them… i already watched the bills defense alot during the season so I have a good idea of how he performed this year, but what I really need to educate myself on is the growth rate in his game from one year to the next, has it been steady growth, or did he just have a freak contract year? Thats what Im really more concerned with than how he performed this past year, because I am really impressed with what i see this year..solid in Man coverage, but i really really like him in support of corners, he doesnt let WRs behind him, good ball skills, aggresively plays the ball without getting flagged for penalties… think he is a major upgrade to Nate in a few different ways
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seen kid put some big hits on people, and is a very solid tackler and I feel like people think about him in that regard when really i think I like him more in coverage. Good ball skills, always seems to be in place to breakup a long pass, rarely lets WRs get behind him…. also supposedly a high charecter guy who is a really hard worker…
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the best part is he wont re sign with the Bills and theyt already have his replacement on the bench, so Im pretty certain he will be on a different team next year, where as I assume Denver will atleast try to keep their 24 year old safety..
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im 6 games thru the season, and i havent seen him get torched by a TE yet, and he spent a good amount of time matched up against them early in the season… …
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I think McCourty and Gipson are perfect Mirrored safety compliments to Jenkins, but Gipson is restricted, mcCourty will get Tagged… so far, Searcy is the next best thing im seeing, and he could prove to be one of those guys that really plays his best ball during that second contract… i feel really good about adding this kid, the problem is that I am way more educated about his game than the other available safeties… So Im not completely sure if he is the best option available yet, but Im pretty certain we will view him as a scheme fit, and a safety we will strongly consider…. i just havent watched Rahim or some of the others enough to really know if searcy is the best option..
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but atleast i know there is a quality option like Searcy available who wont be retained by his current team
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ill post my notes on him when i get home… actually Ill watch the next two games and then post my first half of last season notes
Sounds good bro thanks for the insight. I def agree with you on the contract year thing it would be a huge help to see the past 2 years before passing judgement but from what I’ve seen out of Searcy I do like.
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Denver may have a hard time keeping Rahim with all the money they have locked up in the entire team. lol If Peyton comes back that’s 19 mil on the books, you got the Demaryious contract whether tagged or signed will be huge, they want to resign Virgil Greene, Potroast Knighton is a free agent, then the money already due to players like Talib, Ward, Harris, Ware, Miller in the last year of his rookie deal. I just think it’ll be hard for them to retain Rahim’s services.
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But regardless we will have some good options in free agency so lets hope the FO doesn’t mess it up.
no prob…….yeah denver certainly isnt a lock to be able to keep him.
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im pretty friggin desperate to poach Virgil Greene away from them. Figure they pay Demaryious, Tag Julius, then they still have to worry about Tamme and Virgil leaving free agency… sucks to have 3 TEs hit free agency in the same year. really hoping we can steal virgil from them, perfect young compliment to Ertz, and I would assume a james Casey contract is enough to get his name on an eagles contract…
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hopefully Searcy isnt the only suitable upgrade available. I want to sign Searcy, but i hope he isnt the only suitable upgrade…be much better if we view searcy, Rahim and another safety or two acceptable upgrades… I just havent watched the other safeties enough to really know…
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i really want to steal Gipson from the browns. former CB/S out of Wyoming,. but he is a restricted free agent. the brown may be a mess of a team, but those bastards always seem to have decent safety play, while we been watching Noodles play Safety since Dawk left a decade ago
Like B Fletch, Moore came back from that. Could have ruined his confidence, but from what I saw last year he made plays this year and last year (although the secondary on the whole was much improved).
good to know… truth be told, the more suitable options we have the better…. sucks having to go into free agency fixated on signing 1 player at a certain position… be great if we went into free agency viewing 3 safeties as suitable upgrades for us
So someone mentioned Sam Bradford and I woke up a world where our entire media is talking about sM Bradford, are u kidding me. I love how the fanboys think Chip is going to Add a new QB or two every offseason…LOL silly. The position that needs continuity more than anything, and I live in a world where everyone around me thinks we will get a new QB or two every offseason. Lol and I’m not supposed to call our media dumb?
you think sanchize stays? Is he a good enough backup? I sort of like him (gets rid of ball quickly capable of evading pressure, he’s pump fake is crazy), but those turnovers…
I actually think TX, or Buffalo will take him. Both of those teams are ready to go if they can get a qb.
I don’t know if he stays, but I don’t think losing him is the foregone conclusion people make it out to be
figured for sure he could go to buffalo if he wanted.
most likely he has that option, last year he seemed like the happiest person in our locker room to finally be out of Rex Ryans offensively challenged system, a year later im supposed to assume he cant wait to get back to offensive player hell(aka playing for Rex)?
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not so sure… money matters, so im not certain if he would stay with us another year or two, but i dont view losing sanchez as the forgone conclusion the media is assuming it to be
When people complain about Sanchez as a backup, ask them to name 5 NFL backup QBs better than Sanchez. That usually shuts them up.
True but option is to draft someone or take a failed starter. Is Sancehz better than Braford, or Locker or Cassel, etc. i don’t know. I would have said no while he was still on the jets.
why do we need to name 5, 1 should be enough. Or a few and 1 with potential
According to CSN Philly, Graham is “seeking a four-year deal in the $30 million neighborhood, with $20 million guaranteed.”
If that’s true I’d rather spend that kind of money on Worilds, McPhee or Sheard.
Agree, love how Graham has overcome so much in his short career but I think that kind of money can be much better utilized for a true 3-4 OLB
This. Feel happy for that kid and wish him nothing but the best for his future.
Didn’t he lose a bunch of weight to make the switch? Is he big enough to play DE still?
if he signs with a 4-3 team, I bet he cant wait to eat like a pig and lift
The last time when I personally saw him was after the season opener where he didn’t look ‘ripped’ actually…
I doubt the Eagles view him as a starter and there’s no way they pay near that much for a specialist. I doubt he’ll actually get that much, but he’s most likely get more than the Eagles are willing to pay.
We might be having a similar conversation about Boykin next year.
Besides the small fact that Boykin won’t be asking for $20m gtd.
Well, always best to start high isn’t it? Graham isn’t going to get that much. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boykins eventual salary is similar to Graham’s, say within 20%.
Graham might not be worth that contract, but he is a pass rusher with some buzz around his name, and despite the cliche of parity in the NFL. There are ridiculous franchises that love to give out ridiculous contracts.
20 mil guarenteed is the going rate for any pass rusher worth a damn. which is why pass rushers get over drafted every year….. Look at the contract Everson Griffin signed last year and he hadnt proven he could be a high impact starter at the time he signed that deal..
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I assume BG will get 18-20 Guarenteed, but it will be a protected contract that pays him alot the first two years so teams can get out of the deal after two years if BG doesnt provide the production the team expected to get when they paid him
Yeah i’m not giving the eagles any breaks if i’m him, didn’t even hook him up with the playing time bonus. Feel like that would have been a good faith gesture for someone that you seriously want to keep around at a reasonable price.
Didn’t see your Griffen comparison when I made my above response. I’m sure Griffen’s contract is the one Graham’s agent is pointing too when asking for that amount.
no worries, and you are probably right… If Im BGs agent, Eversons contract is definitely the contract im trying to use to set the market for BG. thats a damn good deal for someone who didnt even play 50% of the snaps this year
I’m not saying that BG won’t get that money nor that he doesn’t deserve it. It’s rather a matter of opportunity costs and if I could have a player like Worilds for example for that kind of money that I’d prefer the latter to BG.
i agree… all these friggin free agent edge rusher ARE GOING to cost BIG MONEY anyway… might as well take advantage of the best free agent pass rush market we can ever hope to see. some will be tagged and never reach free agency, but there are still going to be a few better options on the market than BG.. If I have to give BG 20 mil guarenteed, id rather give mcPhee 23million guarenteed or whatever the extra cost is…
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i like Worilds, wouldnt mind seeing us sign him, he just isnt my top option, and i really dont expect him to play for someone besides the titans or steelers next year, but id gladly welcome him to the eagles nest
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if this wasnt such a good OLB market, Id be much more worried about losing BG… but with this years free agent options at OLB, i wont lose any sleep if he plays hardball with us and we tell BG to piss off
The initial response to that is that it’s way too much money but if one compares Graham’s resume to that of Eversen Griffen, who received a 5 year, $42.5M extension with Minnesota last year, Graham compares quite favorably. Like Graham, Griffen was a reserve player going into free agency.
Someone’s been following Jimmy on Twitter, ey!? 😉
Nope, I came up with that thought independently and then I saw where someone else retweeted Kempski. I’m actually blocked from following Kempski. I must have tweeted something to piss him off but I don’t remember what.
Lol. I didn’t know that you could get blocked from following people on Twitter!
I don’t mind Kempski and I know Tommy and he are friends but I had to rip him when he started working at the Inquirer. You’re working in the real media now, time to start having journalistic standards. What’s okay for a fan created blog doesn’t cut it anymore. Maybe it’s not his fault and that’s what the Inquirer wanted from him, but I still felt it should be protested. That said, he blocked me many months later after I ripped him and I’m not sure exactly what sent him over the edge.
i have only been saying the same exact thing since the day Everson signed his deal last year… but yeah, lets credit the hack for figuringt it out a year later 🙂
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as if I havent broken down Griffins contract in detaiul, how he gets all the 20 million up front the first two years, much of which comes in base salary making it easy to waive him after year 2…
Everson Griffen is a much higher ceiling guy than Brandon Graham.
Let’s hope.
wow
Yay!!!
My least favorite defender.
Wonder if its a question could he be gone or he heard hes gone..
Most likely that he heard it.
I wonder how one goes from the guy on blogging the beast to having a source that hears things that have been accurate although unthinkable at the time (like the Jackson thing). Always wondered how that happens, what that transition is like.
could be a good thing, could be a horrible thing,.,.
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for example, lets see how happy everyone is that Cary is gone if they announce Bradley Fletcher has been Extended..
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If This is True, hopefully they make it clear to Cary and Brad NOW that they wont be brought back, so that the Eagles have to go into free agency desperate for corners…
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I assume that there is an upcoming date that would trigger Cary to get a nice chunk of change for us to make this move now, truth be told, Id rather make sure we can sign a corner in free agency, AND THEN cut Cary…
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The Eagles better not Bring Bradley Back… If they cut Cary and try to sell us on 1 more year of Bradley, I will lose it
I think it should depend on if Cary is taking a pay cut. I’ll take a cheap Fletcher any day over Cary at $8 million.
i dont really care what we pay Cary for one season, truth is that the only reason Cary would ever be brought back was to keep us from having to draft a corner and immediately name him the starter..
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think we can all agree that Cary,Brad,Nate all need to be replaced, how we go about replacing them and when we replace them is what we debate…
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but Cary, Nate, Brad all have to be upgraded the next two years, personally I think its easier to upgrade Nate in this years market than Corner.. I assume we wont ever have pro bowl caliber corners til we draft and develop them ourselves..
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good news is we havent seen the best of Nolan Carrol yet, thats the silver linning..
Carroll was injured to start the season last year, because I really thought through training camp he was going to take one of their spots. Let’s see how a healthy Carroll looks this year.
yeah I assumed he would take Brads job if he hadnt gotten hurt..
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people need to understand, FIRST: How DIFFERENT outside and inside corners are, and Second, we went out and signed Nolan because of his ability as an outside corner. all the tape we watched of him, that led us to sign him, was him playing on the outside… this was the first year he said he ever played inside corner, and its really impressive how well he transitioned inside so soon…. but if he could do a decent job at inside corner that he started playing a few months ago, Im sure he can do an even better job, when we move him outside, the position he has been playing for years, the p[osition we saw him play that made us want to sign him to begin with…
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if you liked Nolan as a Dime corner, you probably will be happy with his play on the outside..I assume Jaylen Watkins is taking that Dime spot, and Nolan will start outside this year.
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I also assume we will view Davon House as this years Nolan, and try to sign him…
yeah i think it’s this — he said no pay cut, he’s not an $8m guy and given how this secondary looked to the outside id doubt that he’d get a deal anywhere. Especially when he was PI’ing Dez bryant every play in the most important game of the year.
I don’t know why he thinks he’s getting that money anywhere else.
Cary Williams has a different opinion on the merits of Cary Williams than the rest of the world does.
so true, we weren’t in a great place at any bargaining table before where corners are concerned, now they know we can’t walk away from the table without throwing the 2015 season away.
which leads me to believe that if we cut Cary before free agency it would have to be because a date is coming up where it triggers a clause where he gets a big amount of money that we are trying to avoid paying him,.. if thats not the case, then we are foolisdh to not wait til after free agency to cut him… thats a dick move, because Cary needs to find a next job, but i dont really care about Carys next job
Keeping Fletcher wouldn’t be horrible if they are able to bring in a very good cornerback to play alongside him.
yea but have him mirror the Best WR on the opposing team.. fletch follow #2 or #3 WR around..
Edit: If fletch HAS to be retained.. which i hope he is not..
#1 shuts down #2 wr, give fletch help over the top. But Fletch is a FA, that means they gotta give him a new deal.
nolan Carrol will start at one of the outside spots this year…. doubt you want to see a Bradley Fletcher/Nolan Carrol starting outside tandem..
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under no circumstance should bradly be brought back, unless we make it clear to him that he is a backup going forward/
So you think the guy who couldn’t beat out Fletcher and Williams all season long should start?
Do you have any basis for this opinion other than blind faith in a player that you’ve barely seen play? Have you gone over his tape with Miami and seen some spark that was completely missed by his coaches in Miami and Philadelphia?
i watched Dion Jordans entire rookie season. thats probably not a secret
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you are judging a CB after playing Inside the first time in his life… we signed Nolan because of the tape we watched him playing outside corner. if he did a solid job inside, what makes you think he wont do a much better job when we stick him outside, you know, the position he has been playing for years? the position we saw him play that made us sign him to begin with?
Because at a certain point I think it is better to trust the judgements of the coaches that see him every day at practice. Is it possible that random guy on the internet is right about a bench player because he’s got a gut feeling that said bench player is better than the starters? Yes. Is it probable? No.
hey you condescendingly asked if i even watched him play, so i answered… feel free to believe whatever you want…..fair enough…. learn the hard way
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Nolan starting outside is the most certain thing I can perrsonally count on happening at corner next year, but you are welcome to wait and see
If Nate Allen shades himself to Fletcher’s side when covering obvious mismatches (ie Dez) then I think Fletcher’s season is much better than it was. He’s a good corner that lacks the speed to go uncovered over the top.
no excuse for consistently lacking the confidence to turn around and even attempt to make a play on the ball. cant watch another year of him face guarding WRs..
if you are going to get burned all year long, atleast get Burned playing some aggressive football;. get beat because you tried to make a play on the ball/…… getting burned while refusing to ever turn around and attempt to play the ball is like cornerback rock bottom
I think Fletcher’s ideal position is dime CB/STs player. He can do well in certain matchups outside but he just doesn’t have the speed to win consistently. He actually might do okay if converted to safety.
i would love to keep Bradley as a backup. Shiiiit he can stay another two years if he is ok being a backup… Cant go into a season starting him again on the outside…Brad is a high charecter guy, maybe he is ok staying, and taking a depth role on our bench or subpackage role… i would gladly welcome that
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but they cant sell Brad to this city as a starter anymore
Also, Billy d shouldn’t be putting him on an island with Allen as the safety.
It would be even better if they also brought in one to play in front of him.
if we let him go too early just b/c Kempski breaks the news that he would eventually be cut, just like we got rid of Jackson for nothing once it became clear we would cut him, then I’d rather Kempski just keep his mouth shut.
Why announce this now unless there is a big payment due soon.
Why would it be a problem if we cut Cary now or in a few weeks?
be much smarter to cut him after free agency so you arent negotiating out of desperation…
The only factor in determine the price is us versus other NFL teams, not who we have on the roster.
I concur. And to take it a step further, one more CB on the market could actually work in the Eagles’ favor.
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it may affect our ability to attract and sign free agents at preferable prices
How does who we have on the roster anything to do with that?
Negotiating power. Probably doesn’t make a HUGE different, but it will make some. But may also let people know that they’ll start if they come here.
“Kempski stopped us getting anything for D-Jax” is still a thing, huh? Weird.
Mel Kiper is now basically claiming that all the WRs will be drafted in round 1.
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dude has Andy Reid stealing my boy Devin Smith at #18
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he has the Patriots taking Funchess at 30
Seahawks taking Phillip doresett at 31
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Devante Parker, Amari, white all going in round 1…. not sure if he had sammie in round 1 or not
I hope Jaelen Strong keeps going unnoticed. May not have the explosive speed but he has enough that, coupled with his crisp routes, will get him open deep often.
Is there any world in which we guy Graham and roll with Cole (2yrs) and Marcus? IF we sign worlids for 3+ years what’s marcus smith do?
Trying to see why Eagles tried to sign him last year.. Thinking he wasnt that much or even better than Graham this year n saw it as a good thing Eagles didnt sign him.. Did more reading up on him Steeler fans actually rate him as the best pass rusher n he was wasted in coverage.. Ala Connor Barwin.. Just the fact he can play in coverage is a major selling/buying point over Graham.. Gonna keep a closer eye on the guy now
need atleast 3 OLBs rotating in every game… say you sign McPhee, worlids or whoever for 5 years… Barwin and McPhee would start, Marcus will play BGs role, getting around 35% of the snaps next year, and in a year or two, we move away from Barwin, and Marcus steps into the startingf lineup opposite of McPhee… while thats all taking place we have drafted another OLB to slowly groom on the bench, to be able to eventually replace McPhee… basically, Its not a bad thing if Marcus is only playing like 40% of snaps the next two years becxause we have grown men beasts in front of him… the most important thing is that Marcus Grows into a beast of an OLB who we want to extend when his contract is up… as long as he is groomed into a OLB who will be a starting Stud for us during his 2nd contract, its not a horrible thing if he has to sit in Brandon Grahams role for the next two years…
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you really need atleast 3 OLBs that you can play in every game, preferably 4…
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Id sign McPhee, stick him across Barwin, and sometime in the next two years, draft another OLB to start grooming to form a starting Tandem with Marcus during the duration of their second contract.
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having 3 quality OLB is a great problem to have
So your vision has no graham, no cole? I’m ok wit that.
yes, but only because we will never see a better OLB free agent market than this year, so you might as well take advantage of a strong free agent OLB market,rather than keep Cole for another year or two and then have to replace him in a weaker market
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heck, I wouldnt mind losing BG, Cole, signing McPhee, while also Drafting Mauldin, Marcus former running mate at Louisville… start Barwin and McPhee the next 2-3 years while the two puppy OLBs start getting more and more snaps, and eventually have Mauldin/MS2 as our future OLB tandem
Why has nobody talked about signing Justin Houston? He’s still young and his sacks have gone up every year. Cole can restructure his contract and back him up.
KC will almost certainly franchise him.
Its the obvious answer that the question should’nt even need to be asked lol
Because KC will almost certainly give him the franchise tag.
TB released QB Josh McCown. He’s older and might transition into coaching. If he wants to play though, he’s as good a target as any of the other backup QBs out there.
I was literally just thinking about whether he’d be a good backup, he had a heck of a year under trestman. But he’s super old. TB and Mariota seems like a lock.
Wouldn’t surprise me see him go to Baltimore to back up Flacco. Their current backup, Tyrod Taylor(horrible, can run around but that’s about it), is an UFA.
It’s funny Tyrod is better than Flacco on Madden.
Tb and Winston
whatever the eagles decide to do at QB, we wont get anywhere if we go get two new QBs every offseason… tired of talking about QBs when we are missing so many pieces of the puzzle to really be able to know whats going on…for example, who the hell knows what barkley looks like these days, its been a while since the preseason and young players grow… no idea what chip thinks about Barkley, but i know everyone just assumes he is destined to suck and never improve.,. Sanchez shouldnt have been signed without getting the option for year 2, that was a mistake…
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we can argue about what our best QB options are, but we rarely factor in the importance of continuity in this game of football, and no player needs continuity in a scheme more than a QB…
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if we keep discarding QBs after a year in this system, we will never be good enough at the position to win…
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highly rated kids like Matt Ryan neeed 4-5 years of starting experience in the same system before he could deliver playoff wins.. I dont know if Sanchez and Barkley are the answers for us, but I know that we will never find the answer if we dont get QBs and keep growing them in this scheme for 3,4,5 years…
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we wont go anywhere until we get stability at the position… whoever the Hell are the Eagles 3 QBs this year, all i care about is that they are good enough to stay in this system for the next 3 years(ATLEAST 2 of the 3)… until we teach the scheme to a QB and give him a few years of continuity, we dont really stand a chance at going all the way… so for the eagles, go get whatevcer friggin QB yous want, just make sure he is good enobugh to stay in this offense for the next 3 years, or none of this will matter
Agree backups need to have 2nd year options.
Geagle – You and I agree on most of your posts but this one I am iffffy. You need either a top 10 D or a top 5 QB to win a SB. You can go the incremental route – chipping away at deficiencies in O and D or you can make bold moves for the right guy.
Chip wants to win now. He is not an incremental guy, but very impatient. Like Lombardi, winning is everything for Chip.
This draft and free agency will set the direction for Eagles and fans for years. We are all going to be shaking our heads and screaming WTF when it is done.
I can’t wait for the nuclear explosion in fandom! I can hardly wait for an Eagles SB win – which I truely believe will come soon.
Even if you got Mariota now, he’s not going to be a top 5 QB immediately. You’d also be hurting other areas of your team because the draft picks you’d have to give to move up could be spent on upgrading other areas
Someone made a list of the eagles 1st rounders that have made an impact on the team over the last 17 years, there were like 6 or 7. Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
You realize that same logic would apply to drafting Mariota, right?
Lesser extent based on CK’s knowledge of the player. It’s not like we’re giving up top 10 picks they’ll likely be picks in the 20s (which we’ve all admitted are much less valuable).
My general point is that (a) I don’t think 1st round picks, especially later round picks are as sacred people thing, (b) if CK wants to make bold moves, make them.
Off the top of my head…back to Andy Reid era…
McNabb
Simon
Lito
Patterson
Bunkley
Andrews
Maclin
Lane
Non impact players FredEx, Watkins, arguably Graham
2 years we had no pick (Kolb and Peters Trade)
Jury’s out: MSII
That’s not a bad list…
(copy/paste job) Free agent DE Jerry Hughes told SiriusXM NFL Radio his first choice is to re-sign with the Bills.
“Absolutely just because they gave me the opportunity,” Hughes said. “The group of guys we had, to be so close, you definitely want to come back and take another shot at it.” The Bills are unlikely to franchise tag Hughes at $14.8 million, but have publicly stated they want to extend him. Hughes is Rotoworld’s No. 2 free-agent edge rusher, behind only Justin Houston.
Source: Sirius XM NFL Radio
TitanInsider’s Terry McCormick expects free agent edge rusher Derrick Morgan to test the open market.
McCormick doesn’t see Morgan as an ideal fit in the Titans’ 3-4 defense, even though he had a successful season in the system this past year, racking up 63 tackles and 6.5 sacks while grading out as PFF’s 8th-ranked 3-4 outside ‘backer. Prior to 2014, Morgan had been a hand-in-the-dirt base 4-3 end in college and the NFL. He has scheme-versatility, but look for 4-3 teams to come after Morgan.
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both edge rushers Morgan and wimbley are free agents, their money comes off the books and you can bet they will throw that cash at Worilds
I see him and see what we already have.
agreed,.. the point is..both edge rushers Morgan and wimbley are free agents, their money comes off the books and you can bet they will throw that cash at Worilds
He’s from Coatesville, right?
Remember Morgan in the draft they were saying he was the safest bet as a 4-3 DE.. But Graham n JPP both went before him anyway
Searcy n Hughes are 2 guys that thought would be good fits.. The names are out people will just start clamoring for them just like Maxwell
i dont know how i find myself in this position AGAIN, but i feel like every year around this time im drooling over poaching defenders from the Bills…. smh
They are underrated.. Their record should’nt be an indication of the quality of players they have on that team.. A lot of fans just look at the big teams n the big names
absolutely right… it also happens that they have behaved like a feeder team in the past that hasnt been able to retain its talent…
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lost Byrd last year, they are fine with losing searcy this year, apparently they can lose a million safeties and still get good safety play while we been watching slop since Dawkins… It eats at me that garbage franchises like the browns and Bills always get good safety play, and after a decade we are still talking about fixing our safety problem…they even Lost Levitre the year before last… Bills players get Paid in free agency
we are cursed that’s all.
Dawkins Curse
front 7 with a string of defensive coaches. it’s like eagles and wrs.
colts waived safety Laron Landry and ILB andrew Jackson(2 arrests in 9 months)… no interest in strong safeties like landry
we NEVER talk about this, but depending the price, i would love to add this kid:
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ESPN Jaguars reporter Michael DiRocco’s “best guess” is that free agent Cecil Shorts signs with the Browns.
DiRocco is merely connecting dots, but it makes sense. Shorts grew up and went to high school and college in Cleveland and nearby Alliance, respectively. The Browns are in desperate need for receiver help with Josh Gordon suspended for the 2015 season and Miles Austin a free agent. Shorts also won’t be expensive after a down year. He could rehab his value as Cleveland’s No. 1 receiver.
Related: Browns
Source: ESPN.com
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kids been balling sorrounded by garbage for years… love to see him in our offense when defenses cant just key in on him… and since you are waiving Coop next year, maybe you can pull off paying Coop, Maclin, and Cecil for one season…
Jets are waiving Percy Harvin… watch this fool end up with Bellichek SMH; not sure what other coach would touch this kid at this point
I’m a Foles fan so I go back and forth on whether I feel it is worth it to try and get Mariota. No doubt Mariota has a much higher ceiling than Foles, but is it enough to ignore filling our glaring holes due to a lack of resources after a trade up. I wanted to see wha you guys think about this trade scenario.
Raiders recieve: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 2016 1st, and Vinny Curry
Eagles recieve: #4 overall for Mariota
Texans recieve: Nick Foles
Eagles recieve: 2nd, 3rd, and a conditional 2016 round pick (5th – 3rd)
In the end the eagles would have basically swapped foles for Mariota and given up a 2016 1st and Vinny Curry. the eagles would still have 8 picks this year and will have picked u a conditional pick next year in the foles trade.
How do you guys feel about this trade for the Eagles? How about for the Raiders?
Honestly the best thing is to just wait until the draft comes around lol There is no point trying to weigh up the cost/benefits for trading for Mariota.. Bucs, Titans, Skins, Jets, Bears, Rams, Browns, Saints, Texans, Chiefs all select before the Eagles n could be in the hunt for a QB now or for the future.. Steelers, Cardinals, Cowgirls, Broncos select after the Eagles but could be looking at the same thing.. Too many teams that could offer the same price or more n too much time wasted on thinking is it worth to move up or not.. Just wait it out you get greys hairs thinking about it too much i reckon
This sums it up. Likelihood of Mariota in Eagles green is very slim. Only real chance is if he pulls an Eli/Elway type of move.
or tank his pro day
Man, Foles is not a viable day in, day out, starting qb. There’s really no ifs, ands, or buts about it–because of both lack of athleticism and fundamental weaknesses in passing skills. I don’t talk about this too much now, because everyone knows what I think, and I’m not really about harshing anyone’s buzz.
However, there is an important point here. If I know this, everyone knows this. That means Foles is only valuable for teams that want him to back up someone better, or be that proverbial pretty boy acting out a role in place of a serious candidate. Same as anyone who is serious, knew exactly what was Johnny Manziel’s problem–he’s a really little guy with nothing extraordinary to counteract that small size. The Browns drafted him because of looks, and merchandise sales. So during the lying season, if you haven’t turned off all your nfl news for now, you have to evaluate Foles rumors in this context.
Same with Sam Bradford–remember, beyond the injury issues, Sam Bradford has never been able to throw accurate deep balls. Take a look at Tampa’s WR corps–how many of them can do short and intermediate games and get open all the time? One of the reasons Tampa sucked is because they simply do not have a good receiving corps overall. Great size and speed to the outside, but nobody who can really run routes. Are they a logical spot for Bradford, especially considering the probable expense of Bradford?
“I don’t talk about this too much now…”
That is debatable.
First time I ever heard someone accuse Foles of being a pretty boy drafted to sell merch.
Anyone read Spadaro’s comments on BGN?
Spadaro seems to have a more honest opinion at BGN than he does at PE
You gotta think he wouldn’t say anything that’s patently wrong, right? He’s probably the best connected person. Wonder if these articles are in lieu of Howie’s show.
Could you give me a link? Thanks.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/11/8017719/things-i-think-about-the-eagles
Brandon Marshall & Larry Fitzgerald may come to market. MAc’s done in my eyes — i’d rather pay those guys 12 for 3-4 years and roll with draft picks. Am I undervaluing Mac? Maybe.
I take Mac ‘n Marshall or some Mac ‘n Fitz, please. Thanks.
That makes me think we need to scour the globe for a WR with the last name of cheese.
Deal Mac to the patriots and let them find Lequarious Cheese (that Key and Peele skit never needs to end), elite WR prospect out of Maine. That way they can be Kraft Mac n Cheese.
Fitzgerald hasn’t had 1000 yd season since 2011. He’s pretty much done as an impact player.
Mac never had a 1000 season until he met CK. Between, Chip, sports science, and Fitz as a veteran receiver….
Fahey’s analysis IS good, but there is a totally different spin on it: if CK can make a generic QB elite, it frees you up to spend more on the rest of the team and collectively be great. But if you pay up for an elite QB, you’re overpaying either for that guy or for Chip. And starving the rest of the team.
No one will talk to Les Bowen because he’s the most pessimistic, sad sack I’ve ever heard.