QB Intrigue Continues

Posted: February 16th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 369 Comments »

The problem with picking 20th in the draft is that you are at the mercy of those picking ahead of you. While some writers and draft analysts make a case for Marcus Mariota falling, that seems less likely with every day that goes by. I wouldn’t even bet a half-full can of lukewarm PBR that he gets anywhere close to pick 20 at this point.

I wrote about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the first QB domino to fall in my PE.com column.

You have 32 teams making plans. You also have 32 teams making moves. One move by one team can have an effect on many others and change all kinds of plans. That may have happened this week when Tampa Bay cut veteran quarterback Josh McCown. I’m sure plenty of fans thought “big deal” when they saw that news. But it actually could be a big deal.

The Bucs are now down to two quarterbacks, Mike Glennon and Seth Lobato. Until this very moment, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of Lobato. Glennon has had some success as a starter, but hasn’t shown enough that you want to go into a season with him as “the guy.” The Buccaneers just happen to have the first pick in the draft. With McCown, it seemed likely that they would draft a quarterback. Without him, it is almost impossible to think they won’t.

The Bucs could be choosing Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston first overall. I find it hard to believe that the Bucs would take Winston, with all of his off-field baggage. I think Mariota is going first overall. A lot of Eagles fans would love to see Mariota reunited with Chip Kelly. I’m sure Kelly would love that too. Even if the Bucs pull a shocker and take Winston first, there are several other teams that need a quarterback in the top 10.

Now comes this report.

Huh? Even if the Titans love Zach Mettenberger and want him to be the starter, they should be talking up the QBs so that teams will want to move up. Maybe they’re just being honest because they covet a defensive prospect like Leonard Williams or Randy Gregory, but I don’t know why you wouldn’t try to generate interest in your pick to help trade value. The way to do that is talk about QBs as a legitimate possibility.

And then I saw this interesting nugget about a Top 10 team…Jeff Fisher is letting Sam Bradford help pick out the offensive coaching staff. Kinda odd.

Many of us assumed Bradford would be cut. He can’t stay healthy. He’s been up and down for the Rams. Why not cut him and move on?

One possible take is that Fisher doesn’t think either QB is getting to pick 10. If Mariota goes #1 to Tampa, the Skins, Jets and Bears (teams 5-7) could still have interest in Winston. Fisher is hedging his bets and making nice with Bradford just in case. I still think Fisher would covet either of the top QBs.

No matter how you slice this, it doesn’t sound good for the Eagles.

If Mariota goes #1 (and I think he will), you have a tough decision on Winston. I don’t want anything to do with him. I doubt Jeff Lurie would either. Sure, the Eagles went after Mike Vick when he was at rock bottom, but he was also a bargain in terms of cost. The Eagles could cut him at a moment’s notice because they had nothing invested in him. Winston would cost a 1st round pick. He wouldn’t make huge money, but wouldn’t be cheap per se.

If Winston goes #1, you have a slew of Top 10 teams ready to take Mariota. I could even see the Giants considering him. Eli is in the final year of his contract and he’s not getting any younger.

I think it is important that Chip Kelly and Ed Marynowitz figure out other QB plans. Do they draft Brett Hundley? Or Bryce Petty? Or Garrett Grayson? Or do they take a flier on a small school guy like Brandon Bridge or Bryan Bennett?

The Eagles will talk to teams about potential deals in case Mariota does fall, but don’t get your hopes up. Look at other draft prospects. Or look at NFL guys. Do you bring back Mark Sanchez? Colt McCoy is an interesting name on the market. There is some talk that KC could cut Chase Daniel. He could be an interesting option.

You can also hope like heck that Nick Foles takes a big step forward. He’s hard working and has to be incredibly motivated by his mediocre play and then watching the final 8 games.

Just in case, someone make burnt offerings to the Football Gods. Better safe than sorry.


369 Comments on “QB Intrigue Continues”

  1. 1 Tyler Phillips said at 7:26 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Hope isn’t a plan. Doesn’t sound like something Kelly would count on too much.

  2. 2 Greg Richards said at 12:10 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Any “plan” involves an element of hope.

  3. 3 Media Mike said at 12:24 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Hope vs. Wish


  4. 4 Weapon Y said at 6:20 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Would you rather have no plan or a horrible plan (like trading 5 first rounders to get Mariota)?

  5. 5 RobNE said at 7:50 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Why would we give this rumor any credibility at all? I don’t.

  6. 6 TommyLawlor said at 8:01 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Which rumor?

  7. 7 RobNE said at 8:12 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    The Titans rumor. The source article says “early indications…” Which turns into “Tampa not interested in qb’s”. That seems like a big jump. The source article is like someone’s theory. That gets turned into a definitive headline by the next writer.

  8. 8 TommyLawlor said at 8:04 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    The Bucs did cut McCown. The Titans GM came out and said publicly the team isn’t focused on QBs. And Fisher said publicly he did consult Bradford about the coaches.

    These things are real. We can interpret them different ways, but this isn’t rumors like “league sources say the Eagles like Jake Locker”. That’s a rumor.

  9. 9 RobNE said at 8:18 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    The titans source article the gm says “we have to do our diligence” on qb’s. he did not say we aren’t interested. Tommy I’m not trying to argue about the result bc we pick 20 not right behind the Titans. I just don’t think bgn is close to reporting correctly what the source article says.

  10. 10 anon said at 3:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  11. 11 Weapon Y said at 12:32 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Titans sound like they’re bluffing. Why would they deny so much that they’re going after a QB? I bet they want Winston

  12. 12 RobNE said at 2:39 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Read the article they don’t deny anything.

  13. 13 Media Mike said at 9:09 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m very pumped up for free agency and the draft, but a MAJOR part of me wants the whole process to be done with a successfully avoiding adding a running QB so we can move on to planning more actual NFL football.

  14. 14 James said at 9:57 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    If we draft Winston, I would lose all faith in this organization. The ultimate non-character guy would go against all Chipism’s. I hope the draft gives us quality CB, LB, OL in rounds 1-3 and we take one of Bryce Petty or Bryan Bennett in rounds 3-5. This gives Foles his last year to show who he really is, along with a developmental QB with mobility. Though the Barkley pick has me thinking that Chip may never draft a QB with a ‘run’ mentality.

  15. 15 Media Mike said at 10:01 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    We already had to deal with one rapist, Kevin Allen – 1985, being a waste of a first round pick here. I’m not trying to go down that road again.

  16. 16 Cafone said at 10:24 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    He was never charged. The cops apparently thought the accuser was full of it. Something like “major inconsistencies in her story”

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 10:27 AM on February 16th, 2015:


    This sealed it for me. He’s a rapist and a creep. The whole Criminole community is incapable of bringing any justice to the actions of FSU players.

  18. 18 Engwrite said at 10:30 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    “Criminole.” Clever. I like that

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 10:32 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I can’t take credit for it. I think that was from the UF gang.

  20. 20 Weapon Y said at 12:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    The Aaron Hernandez UF gang?

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 12:46 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Except Aaron Hernandez is going to be in jail for life while FSU has been running amok (and without the sytle of The U) for decades. The “Criminoles” and “Free Shoes University” stuff is 25 years old……but still funny.

  22. 22 Weapon Y said at 6:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m not a fan of either team and think both programs are/were sketchy.

  23. 23 Cafone said at 10:35 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    That’s mostly an article about other players.

  24. 24 Media Mike said at 10:37 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    The key element is that the police department there is an abomination of justice that exists only to run interference for the FSU football team. The rape case against Winston was smothered with a pillow and killed the second it started.

  25. 25 anon said at 1:03 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    so you still have no clue one way or another. You gotta think given all of the pressure that he school was under, the police were under, the Title 9 investigation of FS — cleared of all that.

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 1:14 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I have enough of a sense of what that guy is all about to not want him on my team.

  27. 27 Ankerstjernen said at 3:22 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Can I just say, as a trained journalist, that this is textbook reporting. Also; this could cause Winston to fall. But I don’t want him in Philly. Not even at 20. I think he is a troublemaker..

  28. 28 shah8 said at 2:20 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Better put a quickie for the audience…

    The central issue is that the victim has virtually no independent evidence beyond her testimony.

    More crucially, the story about how she left the dance hall with Winston has never stayed the same, and it can be inferred that if she left the place willingly with Winston to his place, then it implies voluntary anticipation.

    There simply was just never an actual, viable case. Winston definitely could have raped her, but in the end, if you have a justice system, you’re supposed to have some sort of evidence. Otherwise, a lot of people could be accused and tried on that basis, who did get consent for sex.

    In practice, all I can do is shrug. It’s this year’s skinny knees excuse.

  29. 29 xeynon said at 4:08 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    That’s fair reasoning as to why Winston wasn’t charged. But we have to remember that this accusation is part of a pattern of similarly boneheaded/criminal behavior. The crab legs incident. The public obscenity incident. Etc. Winston has repeatedly effed up, despite knowing he’s on notice and without having been paid yet. That is a gigantic red flag for me and I want no part of him whatsoever.

  30. 30 CrackSammich said at 5:01 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    It troubles me how quickly people will jump to the defense of an alleged rapist versus how many jumped to the defense of the alleged victim. I know [hope] this isn’t the case with what you just wrote, but you do highlight the trouble in the “he was never charged!” defense. Rape is a very difficult thing to prosecute, because most of the time it involves only the two people involved, and any evidence of the rape can be explained away by “she wanted it!” The only time people really get charged/convicted is if they’re stupid enough to take a video/picture. Which in this case, the roommate was stupid enough–the police just didn’t do their job.

    It is what it is, and nobody is going to change their opinion either way. My issue with Winston is that while being investigated for the rape, he continued to do dumb shit and stay in the spotlight… That’s the kind of thing that worries me about his ability to keep out of trouble at the next level.

  31. 31 shah8 said at 6:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m not really interested in arguing about it. Just saying that the case is very bad, even taken for granted the difficulty in prosecuting rape. It’s not he said-she said. It’s essentially he and his friends said (and evidence to back it up)-she said, and the nature of the she said implies that she really ought to be able to provide corroborating witnesses. When it gets *that* bad of a case, you’re basically getting to dangerously low standards of evidence.

    It still doesn’t mean that Winston couldn’t have raped her, but an awful lot of unusual events would have to happen.

  32. 32 Ankerstjernen said at 3:25 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Here’s the thing though; The reason that there is no evidence is because the police didn’t have much interest in retrieving any. That might not be Winstons “fault”, but it is certainly concerning none the less.

  33. 33 xeynon said at 4:05 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Sorry, but I hardly trust the Tallahassee cops to investigate a rape allegation against FSU’s star quarterback impartially.

  34. 34 Anders said at 4:26 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You mean after they questioned her, which they never did?

  35. 35 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 10:26 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    The rape is what should black list Winston. All the other crap is funnier than troubling, but with the rape out there I don’t see how any team drafts him. someone will tho

  36. 36 anon said at 1:02 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    it’s alleged

  37. 37 CrackSammich said at 4:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  38. 38 James said at 1:46 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Just a point of reference are you laughing at, or with Winston?

  39. 39 Weapon Y said at 12:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You won’t have to worry. Chip would never draft him and even if he wanted to, he’s going in the top 10.

  40. 40 Anders said at 1:13 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    First of all, remember there is difference between been bad character guy and fitting the culture.

    In theory Kelly is all about culture, but seems to not care as long as you do as he tells you (so if he tell you that you can only wear stripped socks rolled up at practice you do it, but he will cut your ass if you wear dotted socks rolled down)

  41. 41 James said at 1:47 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    What bad character guy’s has Chip drafted?

  42. 42 Anders said at 2:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Non, but he hasnt cut any (remember Peters drag racing or McCoy allegedly throwing a girl of a bus?). Jackson was cut because he didnt fit the culture, not because anything he did off the field.

    It just so happens that good character guys in general buy into team culture faster and more easily as well

  43. 43 James said at 4:47 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    So you are saying you would not be surprised if we drafted, Winston, Peters etc.?

  44. 44 Anders said at 4:49 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I wouldnt be surprised by Peters. I do think Winston’s character is so bad that Kelly wont touch him

  45. 45 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 9:57 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    WOW! You actually said that Chase Daniel , and Colt McCoy were viable options??? Even with the lack of decent back ups on the market, why not McCown, or Locker? Hell I almost name 10 guys I’d rather have than Daniels or McCoy, both of whom are short, with next to no arm strength. I suppose they give you limited mobility, but not much else. Please god NO!

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 10:00 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    For the record, I’m looking at Matt Moore as my preferred backup option.

  47. 47 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 10:13 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Problem with these backup guys is they’re all the same. 60% completion,1/1 TD to Int. 79 QBR…..I can’t even justify my statement above. It’s pick your dreck in the FA market

    If this situation doesn’t get fixed either by Foles stepping up, or a rookie coming thru we are in for a long frustrating string of seasons.

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 10:16 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m looking at it this way. I expect Foles to be better in 2015 than he was in 2014, but far from a lock to be 2013 style. Moore, for better or worse, has a strong track record of being able to come in and win games in stretches as a backup. I don’t like the skill mixes vs. ability for us to get of any of the guys in this year draft, so I’m looking at this year as this year. I’d be more looking to the 2016 draft class for a possible aggressive move on a drafted QB if need be.


    I see more draftable pocket passing quality in that draft than exists in this draft.

  49. 49 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 10:24 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Connor Cook for MSU is a guy I really wish was coming out this yr. Or any OSU QB

  50. 50 D3FB said at 11:02 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Once again looking at 2016 is foolhardy. Guys regress, don’t progress, get hurt, don’t declare, have terrible seasons, get arrested. Let’s look at what they are right now. I haven’t done tape on these guys but I’ve seen them all live and have an idea of where their games are at.

    1. Cook- Plays in a run heavy scheme in which he’s not asked to carry much of the load. Arm and athleticism aren’t special.
    2. Cardale- He may not even win the starting job. He has <100 career passes.
    3. Hack- Super talented but extremely inconsistent. Does things like pump fake a double move so hard he gets the cameraman and half the stadium to bite and then goes through entire quarters where he can't get the ball within 10 feet of his receiver.
    5.Goff- People I know rave about Goff, but he's 6'4 200lbs. He's got to put on at least 30lbs, and also not be effected by poor players around him next year.
    6. Towles- Couldn't tell you a damn thing
    7.Kessler- Backup QB ceiling, good at lots of stuff just not special.
    8. Kiel- Big fan of Gunner but questions about his 5 star Diva recruit backround will be asked, also plays in spread offense.
    9. Hogan- This time last year it was Hogan who was going to be the great QB in the draft

  51. 51 anon said at 1:01 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Injury risk is huge too.

  52. 52 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 1:46 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    yeah, you hope it’s only a game or two you need them tho, so I don’t worry about that so much. Ideal situation is you have a vet in case you need a guy to come in in the 3rd quarter with little preparation. If it’s gonna be a longer replacement you have a young guy with some promise to take the job until your starter gets back. But everything works out so much better in my mind than in real life. Like Locker and Hundley, behind Foles sounds great to me

  53. 53 Weapon Y said at 12:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Hate to say it but Sanchez is the best backup available

  54. 54 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 1:48 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    It’s crazy right? I’d still take my chances with Locker before Sanchez. Mark played well for what he is, but I think Locker still has some untapped potential, and this is the system he could find success in.

  55. 55 Weapon Y said at 6:00 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think Locker even has potential. He didn’t even look good in college

  56. 56 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 10:34 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Must be why he was projected to guy top 5 junior year

  57. 57 Weapon Y said at 2:44 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    So was JaMarcus Russell

  58. 58 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 4:18 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Raider-bait….Look yourself in the mirror and say “self, do you really wanna be sitting at the bar next December sobbing in your beer because you put your faith in Mark Sanchez?”

  59. 59 Weapon Y said at 11:49 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    Making a guy your backup is hardly putting faith in him. It’s more like, “Don’t be completely terrible while the starter is hurt.” Plus, I trust Sanchez more than I do Locker, but I don’t really trust either of them. Sanchez can get lucky and be competent for 2-3 games, but luck runs out after that.

  60. 60 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 1:22 PM on February 18th, 2015:

    It’s a rather pitiful debate for each of us

  61. 61 Weapon Y said at 7:22 PM on February 18th, 2015:


  62. 62 Pennguino said at 3:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I agree he has the talent and moved the offense efficiently. He looked good in a few spots. I just can’t get past how he folded when the pressure was on. He played scared later in the season and refused to challenge defenses deep.

    To me, he came off as a paper tiger. I think the team saw it and felt it. I believe they lost confidence in him and he was the reason for the collapse. Not his play alone but his leadership and heart.

    He was a Tea Bag. Once he got into hot water you saw what he was made of. I don’t think he fits what Kelly wants from a heart perspective.

  63. 63 Anders said at 3:42 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    So Bradley Fletcher and Nate Allen let WRs blow past em because of Sanchez?

  64. 64 A_T_G said at 4:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    But… tea bags perform their best in hot water, right?

  65. 65 BlindChow said at 1:44 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Locker is awful. No accuracy, made of glass.

  66. 66 anon said at 1:49 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    yeah i’d stay away even as third backoup.

  67. 67 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 4:39 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Sanchez had a career completion percentage below 60% prior to coming here as well. Sometimes guys just need some guidance from an offensive minded coach in a stable environment. He had 2 HCs, 2 OCs, 2 QBCs in Tennessee. I think he’d be a fine back-up.

  68. 68 BlindChow said at 4:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Sure, but Sanchez averaged 64% in college, so it wasn’t unprecedented. Locker averaged 54% at Washington.

    Plus, I’m not sure how relevant having different coaches is on this point, considering he would have a new HC, DC, and QBC if he played here.

  69. 69 LookLikeTarzanPlayLikeTarzanAl said at 10:51 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Yes he would, but on a 2-3 yr deal where he gets to settle in and learn what is by all accounts, a very QB friendly system. vs having a coach for a year, then a new one for 2yrs….

    My sincerest apologies, but there’s nothing you can say that’s gonna convince me that rolling with Sanchez is the best course of action. The guy throw heinous interceptions at the absolute worst times possible. And if “Near Interceptions” was a stat, forget about it. Sanchez career 82 tds/80ints/29fmbls…..Locker 27tds/22ints/4fumbles in about 0ne third of the attempts, so project that out, and Sanchez would smoke him by around 30 turnovers, and that’s assuming Locker wouldn’t improve.

    You can sign anyone to throw 2-3 picks a game. Rather have Locker, or 10 different rookies here screwing up than employ that guy another year. Let him be some other team’s turnover machine.

  70. 70 BlindChow said at 10:58 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m no advocate of Sanchez.

    But Locker can’t get the ball to receivers, and if he runs, he gets hurt.

  71. 71 mksp said at 10:22 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Not having our QB situation settled is so depressing.

    The success of the Eagles vs. 76ers is gonna be really interesting to follow.

    76ers bottomed-out and are going through a couple rough seasons, but the plan is clear, and even more importantly, well-executed (thus far) by Hinkie & Brown. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel, even with half the team not in place yet. And they’re as much FUN to watch as any team in the league except maybe GSW.

    Eagles had the #4 pick in Chip’s first year, but were clearly more talented than that. Chip rode his new scheme / tempo to a successful year. Unfortunately, so did Nick Foles, which meant we couldn’t draft a true franchise QB like Teddy Bridgewater when we had the chance. Nick regresses to his mean, like many predicted, and now what?

    We don’t know what we have at QB. We may have a guy capable of being the franchise QB. Or we may be back to square one after this year. I guess it’s up to Nick. I REALLY hope he figures it out, because it would make things a lot easier going forward if he’s the man.

    But the path to a championship is certainly less clear than the 76ers, who simply need to stay the course and keep developing their players as they have been.

  72. 72 Media Mike said at 10:49 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I love seeing the Sixers build, but I have some question with them;

    – Can MCW get that assist to TO ration to 3:1?
    – Where is our tall 2 guard who can defend and hit open 3s?
    – Is Covington a 2 or a 3 / is he a starter or a bench guy?
    – Can Nerlins get to a 12/12/3 guy?
    – What is Embid going to be from a production standpoint?

    In either case, the Sixers are fun to watch build.

  73. 73 Avery Greene said at 11:00 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    IMO Covington, KJ, and Grant are going to be bench players when the team is set. I figure MCW, Noel, Embiid, Saric and now you need another shooter. You’ve got 3 strong players coming off the bench and now you can focus on depth.

  74. 74 Media Mike said at 11:01 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m with that. I just need a 2 who can hit an open 3 and I’m good!

  75. 75 Avery Greene said at 11:02 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    That’s what I want. If KJ works on his shot a bit, he could be that guy. When it’s all said and done, Noel might be coming off the bench if they get another big this year in the draft.

  76. 76 ICDogg said at 2:26 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  77. 77 xeynon said at 4:20 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’ve still got family in Croatia. Over there some people talk about him as the best prospect the country’s produced since Drazen Petrovic. Great range, quick release, and way more athletic than the stereotypical Euro. Would love to see the 76ers draft him, especially since with a fellow Croat in Saric already coming in he might be more comfortable here.

  78. 78 mksp said at 11:23 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    MCW – D’Angelo Russell – Covington – Noel – Embiid

    is my dream starting 5 next year. Grant / KJ are the first guys off the bench.

    Grant is unexpectedly developing into a hybrid of Draymond Green and Kawhi Leonard. Just a phenomenal value pick from Hinkie.

  79. 79 Anders said at 1:11 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Also you still have Saric and the Miami 1st rounder

  80. 80 mksp said at 1:52 PM on February 16th, 2015:


    The MCW — Russell — Saric — Noel — Embiid starting 5 in two years could really make some noise.

  81. 81 D3FB said at 10:44 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    And the eurostashed PG, Micic.

  82. 82 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:36 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think MCW is our future PG. We need a more traditional player at that position to play with a guy like Embiid and Noel.

    Nerlens can be a Okay offensive player if he could add more muscle and would learn how to catch a pass. He’s already averaging 8ppg.

  83. 83 mksp said at 1:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Earlier in the year I was worried about MCW as well, but he’s starting to come around. His defense has improved significantly.

    Would like to see him play next to a legit SG like Russell or Hezonja before we trade him….

  84. 84 BobSmith77 said at 1:45 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    For a team that emphasizes the 3-pt and quick decision-making so much, MCW is kind of a poor fit. As a result, I can’t see MCW being here long-term.

    Just hasn’t shown any inkling he can consistently shoot from 3-pt line and turns the ball over too much including in transition. Maybe they both improve a bit next year but I would be shocked if MCW ever became a decent outside shooter.

  85. 85 xeynon said at 4:17 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    1.)If he has better players to pass to and doesn’t have to take as many chances because the team is always behind, I think so.

    2.)Should be able to get this guy in the upcoming draft. This lottery has two really good prospects who can do precisely what you’re looking for in Russell and Hezonja, and if the season ended today we’d have two lottery picks.

    3.)Covington I think is an instant offense bench guy on a good team, a la late career Robert Horry.

    4.)I look at Noel’s upside as a poor man’s Joakim Noah. We won’t need him to score with talented offensive bigs like Embiid and Saric on the team, just rim protect, crash the boards, and run the floor on the fast break. He can do all of those things pretty well already.

    5.)Obviously depends on health. But if his foot/back are alright, I think he’s a special player. 7 footers with his kind of athleticism and coordination don’t come along very often.

    I’m very optimistic about the 76ers future. And REALLY looking forward to seeing all these media blowhards who bash Hinkie’s strategy eat crow when the team is both young and competitive all of a sudden.

  86. 86 Cafone said at 10:52 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Teddy Bridgewater was drafted after the Eagles pick. The Eagles passed on him and chose Marcus Smith II.

  87. 87 Media Mike said at 10:54 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I love Teddy’s game from the neck up. I’m looking forward to seeing what improvements he can make as a physical thrower of the football. He totally got “Brees’d” into the 2nd round due to size, etc.

  88. 88 mksp said at 11:21 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    He made some really gorgeous anticipation throws near the end of the season. Gonna be a good one.

  89. 89 anon said at 1:00 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    yeah gotta tell mariota to use a throwing glove at his pro day. Can’t believe that decision cost him millions.

  90. 90 D3FB said at 10:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Just remember that Geno and JFF had two of the best pro days, and remember that during silly season.

  91. 91 mksp said at 11:21 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    I understand that – my point was Nick gave us somewhat of a “false positive” in 2013 because of Chip’s scheme and luck.

    So we weren’t really able to draft Teddy since the popular assumption was that Nick was the future. I wonder what the conversation was in the draft room though.

    Teddy is kind of the ideal QB for Chip’s system. There may be some regrets there.

  92. 92 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:32 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    As well as David Carr. Nick Foles’ great season came at the wrong time.

  93. 93 anon said at 12:59 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  94. 94 Joe Minx said at 1:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  95. 95 unhinged said at 5:36 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If every team knew what they would get in Bridgewater, he would’ve been taken before he was, IMO. Hindsight is 20/20. and good talent evaluators are worth their weight in gold. If we’d taken Bridgewater instead of MSII, he would probably still be a question mark because of our falling dominoes OL, and Kelly’s inclination to train his rookies into starting shape. Hopefully, the tandem of Kelly and Marynowitz can get us some late picks to remember. If they do that, and Foles is a mix of his 2013 and 2014 iterations, we’ll be well ahead of square 1.

  96. 96 BobSmith77 said at 1:38 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    How is a team (76ers) that might be the worst offensively in NBA history that fun to watch?

    Brutal watching them just heave up 3s and fail to execute even the most basic plays (eg, high screen, pick and roll) on almost every half court possession.

  97. 97 xeynon said at 1:13 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    They play hard, they hustle, they’re pretty good on defense, and they are (slowly, painfully) making strides on offense. They’re still a bad team, but they’re a young one that’s improving. If you’re going to be bad, that’s the kind of bad you want to be.

    A team like the Knicks or the Lakers that’s trying to win, that’s cash-strapped, that’s sold off draft picks, and STILL stinks? That’s brutal.

  98. 98 Cafone said at 10:27 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    You want no part of Winston, but is that a football evaluation or judgement of his off-field issues? If none of those other issues existed, what would be your opinion of Winston just based on potential as an NFL quarterback?

  99. 99 Weapon Y said at 12:42 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Still worried. He made lots of dumb passes last year and turned the ball over a lot.

  100. 100 xeynon said at 4:24 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You can’t just pretend off-field issues don’t exist. They are part-and-parcel of a guy’s potential as an NFL QB. Look at the history of first round QBs with off-field issues. I can think of plenty who washed out in the NFL (JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Art Schlicter, Cade McNown, etc., and now maybe Johnny Football). Can’t think of a guy who had serious off-field questions as a college player who succeeded later (Roethlisberger and Vick only had real problem after they made it to the NFL).

  101. 101 GermanEagle said at 11:39 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    Just a polite reminder by Mr. A. Brandt:

    Many confuse restructure/reduction. Restructures push out Cap charges for short-term gain, $ is the same. Reductions are pay cuts.

  102. 102 eagleyankfan said at 11:40 AM on February 16th, 2015:

    “You can also hope like heck that Nick Foles takes a big step forward.” ????? I must be in the minority. Eagles do not need to draft a QB. There’s no source from inside the Eagles camp saying this either. Just fan/media noise I guess. I mean, what is everyone saying that a young qb, who was in his only full season as the starter is not the answer? How does everyone know?

  103. 103 anon said at 12:58 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I think Chip knows one way or another.

  104. 104 eagleyankfan said at 1:34 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I agree 100% on that. Right now, everyone else can only guess.

  105. 105 unhinged said at 5:13 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    “One person that would probably have the biggest impact in the draft would be a QB.”

    Not to pull your conversation off track, but the logic of the statement is troublesome to me. That will only hold if the player is good. Richard Sherman was a fifth-round find, Justin Houston was a third-round pick.

    Our first pick is 2oth, and we can have a real shot at getting an impact player, but we probably won’t know it for a few years. I strongly doubt that Brett Hundley is this year’s Teddy Bridgewater.

  106. 106 eagleyankfan said at 12:57 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Because we wouldn’t know for a few years, is why a QB would have the biggest impact(assuming he doesn’t fail) now. Or maybe it’s the biggest impact on the team as it would send shockwaves through the team.
    Along that though process — you have to wonder that if we agree Chip has a plan — what’s the timeline of Chips plan? IF he went QB in round 1, we have to assume Foles is out say around 2 years. Then there’s the growing pains of the new QB. This is year 3 of Chip, 3 more years so he can have his new QB? Can he have a game plan to win the SB AND get a new young qb ready? (I’m personally ok with Foles, I’m just thinking this other stuff out loud)

  107. 107 Mitchell said at 1:35 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I agree. If you watch a guy day in and day out, see what he can/cannot do, understand the circumstances of the game he is playing in, you probably know if he is the guy or not in 2 years. If Chip wants to get someone else, It kinda sucks but its his call.

  108. 108 GEAGLE said at 11:50 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    if chip knows….. so will everyone accept that Nick is chips guy when he doesnt draft a QB high and goes into another season with Nick as the starter? or does chip only know when it suits our personal expectations?…. chips been turning down 2nd round picks from Andy for Foles, Josh Gordon for foles, yet every single offseason all the talk is always about how chip will replace foles…. funny, the facts point more towards foles being chips guy, but people dont let facts get in the way of a good assumption

  109. 109 GEAGLE said at 11:43 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    its a lost cause man…. people are just media puppets. when every year the media proves to be completely clueless i still dont understand how every year we take their dumb opinions that they have zero info to backup their opinions, and we believe it til it becomes the assumption…. then the draft comes and we see reality, and rip the eagles because reality doesnt matchup with the expectations the uneducted media put in fans heads for 3 months… media tells people to jump, and they dont even ask why… go straight to “how high”? i could understand if the media wqas good at predicting and connecting the dots,. but every offseason they prove to get us to believe in something that ends up not being true, yet we continue to take the bait, hook, line and sinker… when are people going to get that they probably should accept Elliot Shorr Parkers opinion as eagle reality?

  110. 110 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:14 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Jameis Winston is expected to go #1 overall. If the Eagles could move up to take Mariota in exchange for pick #20, a 2nd rounder, two 4th rounders and a future 1st I would go for it. Especially if I’m also able unload Files for a 1st or a 2nd. How often are franchise QBs made available?

  111. 111 Greg Richards said at 12:22 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Big assumption that Mariota or any QB taken high will become a franchise QB.

  112. 112 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    They’re expected to be franchise QBs which is why they get drafted so high.

  113. 113 Greg Richards said at 12:49 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If you already have a high draft position, all things being equal, you certainly take a possible franchise QB over a possible franchise level talent at another position. Teams know that though and that is why trading up for a QB is typically a lot more expensive than trading up for another position. There’s an inherent risk of drafting any position plus there’s the risk associated with the loss of possible talent given up in the picks used to move up. It’s risk versus reward and there’s a price point in terms of assets you’d have to give up where it would make sense to move up for Mariota or another franchise QB. There’s also a point where it isn’t worth that risk. Considering it cost the Redskins 3 1st round picks(including their own pick that draft) and a 2nd to move up from 6 to 2, I sincerely doubt it is going to fall on the positive line of that risk/reward scenario to try to move up for Mariota. Not if you have to get to pick 1 or 2. If Mariota starts to drop, then I think you engage Jacksonville and Oakland about moving up. Ideal scenario is to re-sign Sanchez(or alternative another possible short-term starter/good backup), to a short-term deal and then have a pre-arranged trade with the Rams to swap pick 10 for Foles and 20(certainly more than fair from Rams perspective if you look at past QB trades) and then give up your 2nd to move up. That’d still be a steep cost, but it’d be a feasible scenario. Moving up to pick 1 or 2 for Mariota likely wouldn’t be.

  114. 114 anon said at 12:57 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    YEah he’d have to drop out of that first group of QBs. I do think Tampa will take Winston, but i don’t see how mariota gets past some of those other teams. Despite the fact that he was in CK’s offense, he’s a heisman winner and he went to national championship.

    Man now he’s sounding like Tim Tebow.

  115. 115 Greg Richards said at 4:51 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I really don’t see how any team takes Winston. If the Eagles drafted him, I’d seriously consider not rooting for them as long as he’s the QB.

  116. 116 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:15 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You can always sign a pro bowl CB or Saftey in free agency. You’ll never be able to get a pro bowl QB in free agency unless he has some career threatening injury or if he’s over the hill.

  117. 117 Greg Richards said at 12:16 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Hey, by chance, does anyone know where the guys who used to post in the Eagles forum at kffl went after kffl shut down their forums? I was of the understanding that people were going to move to the Eagles forum at realgm.com but I took an internet break for a couple of weeks and then kffl was shut down and I couldn’t find anyone at realgm.

  118. 118 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:27 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Foles was terrible last year. He had bad pocket awareness and was making terrible reads. The OL and running game were inconsistent but good QBs are supposed to overcome that. The 6-2 record had more to do with ST and defense. He only had 1 good game last year. Why are people satisfied with him being our franchise QB?

  119. 119 Weapon Y said at 12:29 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Not satisfied. I just don’t see any better alternatives available. You can’t force something that isn’t there.

  120. 120 botto said at 12:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    well our best special teams game was a loss at san fran.
    the defense “held” the skins to what 30 points or something. the defense let the rams come close and “gave” us an early deficit against the jags in game one.
    6-2 was not really because of special teams and defense.

  121. 121 eagleyankfan said at 1:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    so — you’re saying – he made rookie mistakes … isn’t that is what’s expected of someone who is in his first full season as the QB?

  122. 122 FairOaks said at 11:12 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I wasn’t satisfied with his play last year, though it was getting better as the year went on — thought he was just finding the deep range with Maclin, and the OL was about to get back to a semblance of normalcy when he got hurt. He never really played with a decent OL; Sanchez was the beneficiary of that. Foles was really only completely terrible in the first game or so. He played much better the year before, so it’s not like you can just assume that 2014 is his ceiling and make plans based on that. He needs to be better than last year of course, but that is easily possible (even likely) that he will be given a more stable OL. It’s also possible he learned some permanent bad habits last year too so I’m not sold on him but… I just don’t see many options I like better. Sanchez is about the best free agent QB unless others get released, and Foles is better than that. Unless Mariota falls out of the top 10, I don’t see any way to get him without mortgaging way too much of the future. One future 1st, then maybe, but I don’t see it. Just last year Buffalo traded way too much to move up and they were already in the top 10; moving up from 20 would take far more. You’d have to make multiple trade ups; I’m guessing we’d have to trade away significantly more than what the Redskins gave up for RGIII (and they were already at #6) and frankly I don’t want to come anywhere near that. If it turns out Mariota isn’t as elusive on the NFL level then we may have killed the franchise for some time.

  123. 123 Weapon Y said at 12:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You should talk to the BGN guys. All of them except Kaye (the lone voice of reason here) think its no big deal for the Eagles to trade up to 1 and get Mariota.

  124. 124 Donald Kalinowski said at 12:44 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Why does releasing Luke McCown make such a big indication on Tampa’s draft plans? McCown is a mediocre career backup.

  125. 125 GermanEagle said at 12:45 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Luke?! Luke Skywalker???

  126. 126 Media Mike said at 12:47 PM on February 16th, 2015:


    The real Luke Skywalker – Uncle Luke

  127. 127 GermanEagle said at 1:05 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    get it girl!!!!

  128. 128 botto said at 2:37 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    question: where is Sancho going to get a better chance then here in philly?
    he knows the offense, he likes it, he did ok and can now get better too.
    and he knows foles can go down with the hits he takes in the pocket.

  129. 129 Media Mike said at 2:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Better chance to succeed or better chance to rip somebody off by signing for more money with guarantees that span more than one year?

  130. 130 botto said at 2:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    true, better chance to succeed? or play well really.

  131. 131 anon said at 2:50 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    He’s got a butt buddy whos the head coach of a team with no Qb, a great defense, and a bevy of running backs.

  132. 132 Insomniac said at 2:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    and also a decent receiving core but does Sanchez like snow?

  133. 133 botto said at 3:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    can he reach those guys?

  134. 134 Insomniac said at 3:35 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    He can just dump it off to Watkins and Woods. They both have good RAC ability.

  135. 135 botto said at 4:02 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    wouldn’t rex want to start fresh?

  136. 136 Anders said at 2:55 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I think the Bucs is a good place for him. If they sign him, they most likely wont or have to draft a QB if they aint 100% sold on either one and the Bucs has some talent at WRs/TE with Jackson, Evans and ASJ

  137. 137 botto said at 3:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    hmm a number one pick and they go with sanchez? interesting

  138. 138 Anders said at 3:36 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If they aint sold on either Winston or Mariota, it makes more sense to draft Leonard Williams or Randy Gregory 1st overall and go with a veteran QB like Sanchez instead.

  139. 139 the DONALD said at 2:52 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Brandon Graham to sign w the Cowboys??? say it aint so!

  140. 140 anon said at 2:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  141. 141 Anders said at 2:56 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    makes zero sense, the Cowboys do not have money Graham is looking for

  142. 142 the DONALD said at 2:57 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    thought the same thing… dont they have a horrible cap situation?

  143. 143 GermanEagle said at 3:15 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Fuck them. If they sign BG we will get Worilds and Butler instead.

  144. 144 anon said at 3:17 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    yeah i’m no worried about losing him. Love to keep him on a rotation but he wants starter money and i think he’d be good in 43

  145. 145 A_T_G said at 3:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    You had me at fuck them.

  146. 146 GermanEagle said at 3:51 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I know. 🙂

  147. 147 Bert's Bells said at 3:45 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Restructure Romo to 2020.

  148. 148 oreofestar said at 5:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If the getting Graham means no Dez then Graham can go

  149. 149 Insomniac said at 5:42 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    No Dez or Murray? Sign me the hell up asap.

  150. 150 Media Mike said at 5:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Or tag Dez, let Murray walk, and trade for Peterson………………….

  151. 151 the DONALD said at 2:56 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    saw it on twitter this morning.. not a lock but they would be smart to look into him… blogging the boys had an article about it too

  152. 152 RobNE said at 3:21 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Isn’t that tampering? It isn’t FA season yet. Every rumor becomes fact because it was on the Internet. No team can talk to free agents until march.

  153. 153 Greg Richards said at 4:49 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    It was just speculation by a beat writer. They drafted DeMarcus Lawrence and George Selvie has played well for them, so I doubt DE is as big a priority as DT and secondary.

  154. 154 Insomniac said at 3:36 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If we pass on Hundley, I don’t see how Andy will pass on him.

  155. 155 Anders said at 3:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Andy picks before us in round 1

  156. 156 Insomniac said at 4:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think Hundley will go in round 1. I’ll be shocked if he did though.

  157. 157 Bert's Bells said at 3:44 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Andy never saw a situation he wouldn’t pass on.

  158. 158 Mitchell said at 3:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Just draft Garret Grayson and problems will work themselves out, boyz.

  159. 159 Javi Echie said at 3:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Grayson sucks, so what problem will be solved by drafting him?

  160. 160 Mitchell said at 4:26 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Hmmm, why do you say that?

  161. 161 anon said at 8:48 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    his play.

  162. 162 Mitchell said at 9:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Really? Have you watched him play? He’s got a good long ball, touch on short passes. He has the ability to extend plays with his feet but doesn’t do it consistently. Sometimes he gets locked into 1 target. He shows excellent placement of his balls both long and short, as well as velocity. He stays poised in the pocket and doesn’t drop his eyes and get scared. I think you are premature in dismissing him completely.

  163. 163 GermanEagle said at 3:50 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    So apparently Cobb is seeking $9m/year. Would you rather spend between 10 and 11m for Mac or slightly less for Cobb?

  164. 164 Anders said at 3:52 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I pay for Maclin as I think he is the better WR of the two. I think Cobb is to some degree product of Rodgers, where Maclin produced with bottom tier QBs in 2014

  165. 165 GermanEagle said at 3:55 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    But what if you could sign Cobb and another WR, e.g. Marshall or Fitz (provided they become available)?!
    Would Cobb – Marshall – Matthews
    Mac – Cooper – Matthews ????

  166. 166 Anders said at 3:58 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Marshall or Fitz is still going to get 5+ next season, so Cobb+Marshall is still way more than I would give Maclin.

  167. 167 GermanEagle said at 4:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    True. All I was saying was that Cobb + X is probably more likely/better than Mac + Coop.

  168. 168 Anders said at 4:25 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Well Mac+Huff is better than Mac+Coop,

  169. 169 GermanEagle said at 4:58 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Huff won’t start on the outside though.

  170. 170 oreofestar said at 5:32 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    But if the difference between Cobb and Mac is 1mil than why would that stop you from getting X?

  171. 171 Avery Greene said at 6:37 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Actually it would be Cobb + Coop or Mac + Coop. Either way Coop is there.

  172. 172 anon said at 8:48 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Coop can ride the bench for all i care. No reason he can’t turn into Jeff Maehl.

  173. 173 anon said at 8:47 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Id put $16m in that WR position and live with the shitty QB. Fitz, Vjax and B Marsh are professionals, i’d love to watch them dominate DBs, and play in a scheme that get them open? please RACs on RACs on RACs. Got Jeremy Maclin thinking hes an elite receiver disgusts me after he did all of nothing his first couple of years in the league.

    If i were him i’d want to get paid too, so i can’t hate him. Just talkng about value that this point.

  174. 174 BlindChow said at 9:27 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Putting that much money in the WR position is a bad idea. Which of the final four teams in the playoffs this year had elite receivers? New England? Seattle? Indy? Green Bay had Cobb and Nelson, I guess.

    Elite receivers didn’t help Tampa or Atlanta. If you don’t have a good enough QB it doesn’t matter if they’re wide open. I’d much rather spend that money on defense, and then you can get by with mediocre QB play.

  175. 175 xeynon said at 4:03 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    The amount of ink that has been spilled on “Mariota to the Eagles” scenarios is truly absurd. Tommy’s already pointed out it’s likelier than not Tampa Bay takes him, and even if they don’t there are both several other top 10 drafting teams that need a QB, and several other teams drafting lower than that which have more to offer in a trade to move up. It would take a bizarre, inexplicable Aaron Rodgers-type slide for us to have a shot at him, and I think the chances of that are less than 1%. QB-desperate teams do not pass on potential franchise QB prospects as a rule. When it does happen, it’s a rare exception. For it to happen in this case would require several rare exceptions strung up end-to-end.

    All these fans saying “do whatever it takes to make it happen” are delusional. A strategy that requires multiple other actors to behave against their own self interests to work is not a strategy. They might as well be saying “do whatever it takes to get Megan Fox in a hot tub full of chocolate pudding with a case of PBR and a crate of Funyuns”.

  176. 176 botto said at 4:04 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    whoa what do you think it would take for the hot tub scenario?
    I’m in.

  177. 177 A_T_G said at 4:09 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think we have the resources just looking at this year, it would also require future considerations. Twenty-five to life would probably get it done.

  178. 178 botto said at 4:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  179. 179 MagatBrackendale said at 6:47 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    With or without her children?

  180. 180 OregonDucker said at 9:38 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Chip wants Mariota. Why do you think the reorg happenned? The deal is already done.

  181. 181 RobNE said at 9:43 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Well then share the details please.

  182. 182 xeynon said at 12:57 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    And I want a job that pays me $15 million a year to play video games, a private island, a 100 foot yacht, and a supermodel wife. My problem is I have nothing of equal value to offer in exchange for those things and nobody’s going to give me them. Chip faces a similar problem. The question is not what he wants, it’s what he has a realistic chance of getting. Barring something truly unforeseen, that’s not Mariota.

  183. 183 BlindChow said at 1:43 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Can’t you read, the deal is already done!

  184. 184 xeynon said at 1:56 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    It is? Sweet. When does my yacht arrive to ferry me to my private island?

  185. 185 unhinged said at 4:39 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I will be shocked if Mariota goes before Winston. Mariota has more to learn for NFL play, and Winston’s character questions will be answered most probably in the interview. I think Lovie takes Winston, if the latter doesn’t bomb the interview.

  186. 186 Avery Greene said at 6:35 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    That’s a big “IF” with Winston.

  187. 187 shah8 said at 6:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Unlikely. Remember, most of the interview will be about football. Winston is perfectly capable of acting like an adult in formal circumstances. He’s going to be able to front maturity at a minimum, and he definitely knows football.

    Generally, I suspect that it will be background check work that will influence teams.

  188. 188 Avery Greene said at 6:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Probably. Manziel seemed to do bad in the interviews last year if I remember. I’m figuring Winston might be the same, but I will say unlike Manziel, Winston could probably fake being humble.

  189. 189 MagatBrackendale said at 6:46 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  190. 190 GEAGLE said at 4:52 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    My Money is on Foles, Sanchez and Barkley back for another year. Id consider trading one of our 4th rd picks on Glennon

  191. 191 Greg Richards said at 4:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Did you guys see the report that the Browns tried to trade WR Josh Gordon for QB Nick Foles at the end of the 2013 preseason? This was when Vick had won the starting job and Foles was the #2(before 27-2). Gordon had shown a lot of potential but was facing a suspension. The Eagles had lost Jeremy Maclin to a torn ACL so probably were shopping for WRs. Interesting what-could-have-been.

  192. 192 GermanEagle said at 4:59 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Glad. We. Turned. That. Down. #hindsightrules

  193. 193 Greg Richards said at 5:12 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Maybe if Gordon goes to the Eagles, they’re able to straighten him out. The Browns were and are a dumpster fire. Of course, when Vick got hurt, we’d be playing Matt Barkley instead of Foles in 2013 and we probably end up with a top 5 pick and taking Blake Bortles last year.

  194. 194 anon said at 8:44 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    it’s not like he’s a bad dude, just dumb decisions and the browns are such a shitty organization that they don’t watch out for him. Like how are you going to watch him drink on a team flight when he’s under substance abuse policy — team has no regard.

  195. 195 GEAGLE said at 5:05 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Last week Roto made a interesting comment about The Browns and Redskins not completing a trade for Kurt Cousin last year. something like the Skins were insisting on a 2nd rounder for Cousins and the Browns wanted to pay a 4th and Roto posed the question, Which franchise looks more ridiculous? The skins thinking Cousin shouldnt be traded for less than a 2nd rounder? or The Browns for even being willing to trade anything for him? oh how the Mighty Kurt Cousins has fallen… wonder whats his future has in store for him… im sure the skins wish they took that 4th rounder when they had the chance

  196. 196 Javi Echie said at 5:11 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Apparently the Browns have been really trying to get a QB. Did you read the article that they wanted Nick Foles for Josh Gordon straight up 2 years ago before Nicks fantastic season. Man thank god we didn’t pull that trigger because although we would have had Gordon and his 1600+ yards that year, not saying he would of met those stats here, we would have had nothing but Vick as a qb.

  197. 197 GEAGLE said at 5:33 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    yeah that would have been a friggin Nightmare. we would have spent two years disgusted with Josh Gordon and we would probably hate Goodell even more…….

    The ONE good thing those Morons running the Browns are doing is they refuse to release Josh Gordon THANKFULLY! If they cut Josh Gordon the League is SCREWED, you know Bellicheat will pick him right up, hire a team of Israeli security mercenaries to baby sit him 24 hours a day, handcuff him to a radiator and keep him out of trouble and substances out of his body as long as it takes to get him reinstated…..if they cut him you know the Pats will find a way to capitalize and that could be worse than letting them get Randy Moss.
    I was Brian Hoyer, i would NOT sign with them after the way they treated him since the moment Johnny Clipboard was drafted. As a QB, you get so much of the credit and blame and in reality your success is so dependent on so many other players executing around you. If you are going to get all the blame as a QB, you have to go somewhere you can count on having enough around him to succeed, and i dont even see how a free agent QB can sign on to lead that dysfunctional mess…. The shit the Browns are doing recently, is like up there with Al Davis Raider Dysfunction during his twilight years. its amazing just how dysfunctional that franchise is,. They dont have a good enough situation around a QB for him to succeed, and how can you trust that mess of a front office/ownership to be able to improve the team enough to give a QB a chance…dont know how a QB can sign with them…

    Basically they have to become one of the best teams in the draft to stand a chance to building that franchise. and i have no idea how the browns will get talent evaluators that will out fox 95% of its competitors in the draft…

    Dead Front Office Walking….. Its bad enough when your HC and GM are dysfunctional idiots. but when your dysfunction doesnt stop there, and infects your owner as well, you are really screwed. I feel bad for dog pound fans. Atleast you can fire a bad GM and a bad coach and maybe you get lucky and the replacements you hire prove to be brilliant….But there isnt much you can do about a dysfunctional owner. Look at Dan Snyder.He tried to throw tons of money at every problem, but no amount of money was going to be able to overcome having a cancer of an owner…

  198. 198 Avery Greene said at 6:34 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    If Belichik can do it, so can Kelly. I’m offering my services as a security consultant to keep Gordon out of trouble. Can you imagine him on the other side of Maclin, and Matthews in the slot? Since the Browns are so stupid, maybe they’ll take Cooper for Gordon straight up.

    Thank you and I’ll take my meds now…

  199. 199 Greg Richards said at 7:34 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Gordon is already suspended for next season.

  200. 200 GEAGLE said at 9:21 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Unfortunately chip hasn’t shown much patiemce for it yet,…closest thing chip added to a knucklehead is Braman, and he is a boring family man with a 1’yr old baby these days, with his teenage drug nonsense far behind him..

    Waiting to see who the first “questionable character exception” will be under Chip.. Thought Lyerla had a shot, but that didn’t happen

  201. 201 Dominik said at 7:03 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I’m courious about that, too. Having a strong locker room shouldn’t only help with team chemistry and attitude, it should be a competitive advantage with signing knuckleheads, too, imho.

    The Ravens do it, the Pats do it. Getting talented players like Blount, Browner or Talib for cheap because other teams are scared off the field, while you don’t have to worry about that kind of stuff, it helps you with deep playoff runs.

  202. 202 GEAGLE said at 11:39 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    absolutely… the perks of having a strong locker room is its supposed to allow you to be able to bring knuckleheads in and not worry that he can have a negative impact on the team because the locker room is too strong to be rattled by a knuckleheads prescence, and in some cases the locker room can help keep the Knucklehead on the straight and narrow…

    be a shame to build a strong locker room and not take advantage of it being able to police talented knuckleheads you bring in…. by now our lockeroom should be strong enough to handle a knucklhead, curious to see how long until chip takes a chance on a really talented birdbrain? and who will be the first knucklehead in the NFL that he takes a chance on?

  203. 203 Media Mike said at 5:15 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Who needs to draft a QB when you can put talent like this on a team with him?

    Round 1 Pick 20: DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville (A)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 14: David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Zach Wagenmann, DE, Montana (B+)

  204. 204 Mitchell said at 5:19 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Stop making me have to change my pants! I haven’t watch any of Nelson but I would propose to switch him for the OLB Mauldin and draft a corner with the first 4th rounder.

  205. 205 Insomniac said at 5:26 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (A)
    Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Jeremiah Poutasi, OT, Utah (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Christian Covington, DT, Rice (B)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Kurtis Drummond, FS, Michigan State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Max Valles, OLB, Virginia (C-)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor (B-)

  206. 206 Media Mike said at 5:28 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I dig it except for Covington. I think he’s too short for 3-4 DE and not chunky enough for Nose.

  207. 207 Insomniac said at 5:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    He’ll be a rotational pass rush specialist like Vinny. He’s about the same height as Vinny. Idk about his arm length though.

  208. 208 Media Mike said at 5:33 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    That isn’t a bad thought considering we’ve got one more year of Vinny before he leaves.

  209. 209 Media Mike said at 5:29 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I like Valles. If we can stash him on the bottom of the 53 as this year’s Smith II inactive guy, we could coach him up to really goon people.

  210. 210 Insomniac said at 5:31 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Valles is probably the best project besides Coates/DGB in the draft. So young and raw that you can mold him into whatever you want with him.

  211. 211 Media Mike said at 5:33 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I like spending on a 6th round project.

  212. 212 Insomniac said at 5:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I expect him and his teammate Eli Harold to put up some good combine numbers so that might push him up a round or two.

  213. 213 Media Mike said at 5:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  214. 214 Avery Greene said at 6:53 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I like the trade back 5 spots for another 2nd rounder. I think you got good value there.

  215. 215 D3FB said at 10:30 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Poutasi won’t be a target. He’s a phone booth guard in a run heavy scheme.


  216. 216 Baloophi said at 12:26 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    In both girth and color scheme he strikes me more as a British “telephone box” guard…

  217. 217 D3FB said at 1:02 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I prefer my British telephone boxes to be blue with space and time travel capablities. Just don’t see it in Poutasi.


  218. 218 Media Mike said at 5:59 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I prefer what’s inside of that phone box;


  219. 219 Media Mike said at 5:55 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    He can be on my wing eating team any day of the week.

  220. 220 wee2424 said at 9:33 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Would love it, but i dont think Kendricks will be there at pick 20 in 2nd round.

  221. 221 Greg Richards said at 7:50 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Here’s the transcript of Mike Mayock’s pre-combine conference call:


  222. 222 Insomniac said at 8:40 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    So we could have traded Foles for Josh Gordon in 2013. Wow wonder if they’ll take uhh Cooper and a 4th now

  223. 223 anon said at 8:42 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    good thing that didn’t happen.

  224. 224 Greg Richards said at 9:13 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Nate Allen was arrested in Florida, details unavailable. Good thing he’s a FA.

  225. 225 anon said at 9:17 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  226. 226 D3FB said at 10:27 PM on February 16th, 2015:


  227. 227 GEAGLE said at 9:18 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Are you kidding me? The choir boy? What did he jaywalk in front of a cop who had just found out his wife has been cheating on him? What could Nate have possibly done wrong?
    Guess the safe money is on DUI

  228. 228 Media Mike said at 9:23 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Lack of safety devices in vehicle?

  229. 229 Greg Richards said at 9:25 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Driving too slow on the interstate, letting other cars fly right past him

  230. 230 Media Mike said at 9:25 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Propensity to yield the passing lane to all receiver traffic?

  231. 231 wee2424 said at 9:31 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    lol….all of them too funny. Im loven it.

  232. 232 BlindChow said at 9:35 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    I’m guessing yet again he was in the wrong place at the wrong time…

  233. 233 Baloophi said at 12:19 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    The only crime we can definitively eliminate is a “hit and run.”

  234. 234 FairOaks said at 12:30 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Reports now say he was detained and released.


    According to that, he was falsely accused of indecent exposure… police determined the accuser was lying. So this could be much ado about nothing.

  235. 235 Baloophi said at 12:33 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    He was certainly indecently exposed all season…

  236. 236 Media Mike said at 5:54 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    And his play at safety was consistently indecent.

  237. 237 GEAGLE said at 9:17 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    To the international fans, anyone know how to stream the combine live from outside the U.S(don’t mind having to pay)?
    Don’t think I like what the National Media is doing to the Packers. No one in the media has any proof or anything close to proof that allows them to make a big deal out of the Packers cutting Bostic. He isn’t a significant NFL player, and espn has no proof that his bonehead costly ST error has anything to do with his release, so it kind of whack that the media is making a story out of Bostic being cut. Greenbay should be able to cut whoever they want without having to answer questions about the specifics behind a roster decision on an insignificant player…. TODAYS Media “Click Whore-ism” at its finest turning a average player like Bostic being waived into a story and use his ST blunder that cost them a Super Bowl birth to try and make the story more important than it is…. GB front office will never admit that he was cut over that championship loss, even if they should be allowed to just be honest about it and say of course we cut him for his bonehead error

  238. 238 RobNE said at 9:41 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Then McCarthy should be cut too.

  239. 239 GEAGLE said at 10:09 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    “Should be cut”…..’I have a problem when fans and Media start thinking they deserve a voice on roster decisions. I think a football HC should be able to cut anyone he wants withhout owing anyone any explanation… So I’m really not Intrested in giving my opinion on whether Bostic should or shouldn’t be cut, my OPPINION is our OPPINION shouldnt matter…
    The kid was waived. He isn’t anything special. He isn’t someone they just traded 3 draft picks to acquire last year… When the media starts INSINUATING why a player is being cut, then it leads to debates about whether he should or shouldn’t be cut, and I don’t think any franchise should have to put up with having to explain there thinking in waiving a player. It’s just a bad situation. It’s not good form to cut a guy, and then publically crap on him and tell the world why you cut him for the bonehead crap he did, and that’s classless for an organization to do which is what will indirectly happen if you start insinuating that a player was cut over a specific play, and making a franchise answer for it
    I have no interest in defending there head coach either, I hope he gets fired to. Why would I care…

  240. 240 anon said at 10:25 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    gb is owned by the public sharehollders

  241. 241 D3FB said at 10:26 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    Exactly, it’s the only team where the fans literally have a vote on the direction of the team.

  242. 242 GEAGLE said at 12:01 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    .thats EXACTLY what that means LOL… when its time to decide to waive a 2nd TE, a questionaire is passed around all the homnes of wisconsin and all the public shareholders get to vote on whether bostic should be cut or not lol.. exactly what that means lol stay in school kid, put down the football, open up a book…
    if anything public shares give you the right to have a vote in who you appoint to make those types of decisions, so no, fans dont have a voice in this at all…. unless they disagree with cutting bostic so much that they want to use their voice to try and change the appointed decision makers aka McCarthy..

  243. 243 GEAGLE said at 11:31 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    whats that have to do with how the media reports a player getting cut?

  244. 244 RobNE said at 11:24 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    McCarthy had more to do with that loss than bostic.

  245. 245 GEAGLE said at 11:33 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    where did you see me disagree with that?just because i dont blame the coach for Bostics error, doesnt mean i think bostic is more responsible for the loss….. im not a mcCarthy fan, and i think the gutless displays against seattle are one of the most cowardly acts i have seen by champion competitors… please dont take my post as defending McCarthy… my post is about the way the media is reporting the cutting of a certain player, taking an average player who waiving shouldnt matter and making it a top story because he was the kid who blew the end of the game, and media is making assumptions, connecting dots with no proof so that they can take a minor story and make it a national one…

  246. 246 Anders said at 3:33 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    NFL.com normally has two different live streams for group 1 and 2 during the combine

  247. 247 GEAGLE said at 11:29 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    thank you

  248. 248 GEAGLE said at 10:00 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    My QB Intruiging is a little more simple and realistic than the silly daily QB talk about kids that will prove to have nothing to do with the Eagles… I’m curious to find out how Barkley is progressing. I know that popular opinion is that because he hasn’t provided instant gratification yet and proven to be a world beater in year two that he must suck and be on his way out, but if it were up to me, I would sit youmg QBs on the bench being groomed away from the public eye for ATleast the first 3 years, so I don’t view not seeing Barkley in year two as a bad thing at all, now I personally never liked Barkley or believed in him much, but I don’t think chip is having our coaches work with him every singke day if he didn’t have a certain level of potential. I laugh out how people can see him stink it up cold off the bench in two games as a rookie, see him not compete with Nick and a veteran Topic like like sanchez in preseason #2 and reach the assumption that he must be worthless and on his way out of philly. everyone talks about him like its a lock thathe is on his way out, but the same people who make those assumption really don’t know anything about Barkley and don’t have the slightest clue where his game is at these days…

    My QB Intruig is finding out how Barkley is progressing. How high is chip on his progress? or how down is Chip on Barkleys progress? No one has any way of knowing but of course our default is just assume negativity… When in doubt, assume he is a bum, the Philly way….the fact that he isn’t proving to be a good QB in year two literally means nothing to me. Too soon to know either way, I. Sure he is in the middle of tons of ups and downs during his development anyway
    Very Curious to find out how is he progressing, Can he surprise people get promoted to backüp Status?…everyone likes to assume that the Eagles will add a new QB this year via the draft, even if no one has any evidence at all that would allow them to make that assumption, I’m not even sure people are looking at it the right way.
    IMO for the Eagles to draft a QB this year, 1 of 2 things needs to happen:
    1) Barkley ready to be promoted to #2 status… Or
    2) Chip ready to cut his losses and waive Barkley.
    Without 1 of those two things happening, there isn’t even room for a rookie QB lol, but let’s just obsess over it every day anyway. I know everyone thins we are drafting a new QB because Barkleyhasnt provided any instant gratification but IMO year 2 is way too soon to give up on a young QB, and no one has seen Bakley since August, no one has any idea how he is progressing or where his game is at these days. Of course when we don’t know we just go to our default mode: Negativity… Error on the side of he sucks! It’s the Philly way lol….. personally I think after year 2 is way too soon to quit developing a QB you spent the top pick in round 4 on, so I’m not at all sold on the Eagles being ready to waive Barkley, yet I’m not sold on us trusting him to go into the season with him as our #2 Either, and without one of those two things being true, there is no room on the roster for a rookie QB,.. if Barkley ISNT ready to be the #2, Chip kelly isn’t going to go into year 3 with a rookie as our #2’QB…… SO IMO, the Eagles QB concerns THIS OFFSEASON are figuring out who will be #2? Think the Eagles are worried about who will be the backup if they can’t keep top option, Sanchez for one more year. And if we lose Sanchez, you can bet he won’t be replaced with a rookie.
    So all this daily rookie QB crap and I think there is a better chance we don’t draft any QB at all, than there’is a chance of us drafting on in the top 3 rounds… Eagles have young QB being groomed… A QB we can count on as a backup is our ISSUE, and I can assure you chip ain’t looking at rookie QBs to fill THAT #2 role..

  249. 249 FairOaks said at 10:32 PM on February 16th, 2015:

    On the other hand… if Barkley is not ready to be the #2 QB in year 3… is it worth keeping him?

  250. 250 GEAGLE said at 11:29 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    of course… i dont think you rule out a young QB until years 4-5 of their development… what level he is at right now probably doesnt matter too much, his growth rate, his work ethic is what will make chip want to keep developing him or not…. I really dont believe in judging QBs by their 2nd and 3rd seasons… now if his growth rate has been really slow, thats a reason why chip would want to get rid of barkley, but we have no reason to assume he isnt progressing, just because chip played a veteran like sanchez over a 2nd year QB….think its too early to worry about Barkleys results, he will be judged on how he is progressing in the process… and i know we all assume he sucks, but for all we know chip could have been pleased with his growth over the course of this last season….. i dont like accepting media narratives when the media has zero intell that allows them to reach a certain conclusion. not being provided instant gratification isnt a reason to rule out a 2nd year QB

    of course same media says chip doesnt value foles for 3 years now, even if the guy turned down a trade for an elite young WR in 2013 before Gordons problems really got out of hand…… id rather wait and see before i let the media trying to “connect the dots” alter my way of thinking

  251. 251 Ark87 said at 12:43 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Depends, if we happen to draft a QB anywhere above the 5th round and he becomes the designated developing QB, then Barkley likely has to fulfill the back-up job or be let go by default (to make room for a veteran back-up that you do trust). Not necessarily as an indictment that he will never be a back-up quality QB, just a roster limitation.

  252. 252 botto said at 12:34 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    but what if there is a rookie qb that looks like he has more potential then barkley? that’s what this is all about. potential.
    we are not sure about barkley so we don’t draft a high ceiling rookie? why not? barkley could be doing well, doesn’t mean he is going to be better then some unknown rook with better potential.

  253. 253 NinjaP said at 2:57 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Winston is immature but I like his chances of being an NFL QB more than mariota.

  254. 254 Media Mike said at 5:54 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Immature is one thing; felonious is another.

  255. 255 A_T_G said at 8:51 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I feel felonious fellows fail frequently.

  256. 256 A Roy said at 1:22 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    See Rothlisburger, Ben.

  257. 257 dan quisenberry said at 6:40 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I want the Eagles to stick with Foles and either stay at pick 20 or maybe move up a few picks and try to nab Trae Waynes or Eric Kendricks.

  258. 258 Mitchell said at 8:10 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I dnt think you have to move UP for Kendricks. He isn’t the explosive talent his brother is.

  259. 259 wee2424 said at 9:04 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    Yeah, he reportedly while still being very athletic, is more of a technician then Mychal. I would love to have him and wouldnt mind him in first round depending on what happens in FA. Think he might need to gain around 10 pounds in offseason to be at best. I really think depending on FA we may go with Kendricks and then Oline in 2nd round.

  260. 260 Mitchell said at 10:41 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    I would love to have him. I was just saying you could probably trade down for him rather than up.

  261. 261 A Roy said at 1:21 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Or trade up in the 2nd.

  262. 262 wee2424 said at 3:12 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I understand. I knew you werent knocking him. Let me ask you this though. Ive never seen anybody mention his weight suprisingly. He only weighs 232 i beleive. Do you agree he needs to add probably 10 pounds more? He has the frame to do so. I doubt it would affect his speed or athleticism much.

  263. 263 Mitchell said at 4:00 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Yes I think so. He can play well at the college level with that weight but as we all know people in the NFL are bigger. I think he needs more weight to not be thrown around. Shaq is in a similar situation except probably worse. Shaq would need to add weight to not be tossed as well.

  264. 264 Mitchell said at 4:04 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Mychal is an inch shorter and plays at a listed 240. I think the younger brother, if he is 6 feet, would need to weigh just as much if not a bit more. I’m really interested to see how tall and how much these guys weigh.

  265. 265 GEAGLE said at 5:56 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    yeah man, im dying for the official height, weight, arm length….

  266. 266 GEAGLE said at 5:25 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    im not so sure about that Bud… Packers were said to be really high on Shazier last year and they missed out on him, forcing them to take their best pass rusher, Clay, and play him alot at ILB this past year… that tells you they will be really desperate for a ILB, and if they wanted Shazier, makes sense that they probably also like Kendricks… Arizona needs an ILB, and personally I would NOT BET on Kendricks falling past GB, if you want him, you cant ;let him get to arizona, the bengals, GB and maybe even the Seahawks range, figure theyu will lose Malcolm smith…. You know I always want to trade back, but Im not sure you can trade back more than a spot or two and still get him…. heck all 3 of the cowboys ILBs are free agents, they could want him as a 4-3 WIL… forget Mel Kiper and the Draft communities projections.. I dont know that you will be able to move back more than 2-3 spots and still be able to get him…

    we took Mykal in round 2, today, would we really be mad if we had drafted mykal in the 20-30 range of round 1? even if Erik will still be available at 24, is the inside info we have on him, eliminating alot of the guess work worth just taking him at 20? ..Unlss someone unexpected falls to 20, i hope we just take Erik and not risk losing him

  267. 267 Mitchell said at 6:47 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I dnt think Kendricks is worth a top 20 so if someone takes him after we trade down that just leaves another player for us to get. That’s just my opinion. I do really like Kendricks.

  268. 268 GEAGLE said at 5:29 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    very curious to see how his combine compares to his big bro

  269. 269 Mitchell said at 6:49 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    It will be just as interesting to see how.much bigger Kendricks is than Shaq. I think they are about 5-10 lbs away on paper.

  270. 270 GEAGLE said at 11:22 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    no worries… keeping foles and drafting kendricks is way more realistic than most of the crap thats being discussed… good chance i think, you will get your wish..If we can trade back a few spots with out losing kendricks and draft him we would try to trade back but with teams like arizona and GB, probably cant trade back to far, wouldnt be too surprised to see us take him at #20…. Wayans I assume wont last til 20…

  271. 271 unhinged said at 4:21 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Amen. I’m not as high as you on Kendricks, but everybody expecting a big change from a new corner will be soooo pissed when single high safety is in a different time zone when new CB gets beat. Upgrading ILB is team priority #1.

  272. 272 GEAGLE said at 4:53 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    yeah, im a firm believer in start building in the trenches and work your way back… the stronger and better you are up front, the easier it is on your secondary… we can have all the secondary problems we want, but until we solidify the front 7, i dont even care what happens on the back end…

    the problem is people dont understand how important meco was for us in coveraage because of the dumb assumption that he is bad in coverage….people are right that he isnt very good dropping in man coverage, which is why he typically just tries to knock his man on his ass at the Line of scrimmage, but meco is very savy and grossly under rated dropping into zone. he really has a good grasp on the depth he needs to drop to so, he can be in position to get in the QBs way, which is why we often see Meco come up with INTs.. those are all off of dropping in zone coverage. when Meco got hurt, Casey and acho filled in for him well against the run, but neither could play on 3rd down passing situations, so are nickel defense was ruined and we had to play either Base or Dime… when you are in Dime, we only have 1 LB on the field, if we dont bring a safety up, people would cry for two years like they bitched about the saints running on our nickel… so the same people bitching about being in single high too much, would have complained even more if tams ran the ball down our throat when we are in Dime..

    we arent far away from having an Elite front 7, once we have that in place, life becomes easier on the secondary…. ILB is a major need for us, more importantly an ILB that is good in coverage and can play next to Mykal; in our Nickel

  273. 273 unhinged said at 5:20 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Paul Dawson, anyone? I know, I know character blah, blah. blah. The dog can cover. If he could bulk up to 245lbs, he could be a huge impact player.

  274. 274 GEAGLE said at 5:28 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    nice player, he is certainly up there on my list of ILBs i would like to fill our spot with… If we miss out on Kendricks, he is def shooting up towards the top of my list of backup plans….

    Its just important that the ILB we draft is good in coverage and can play on 3rd down, and Dawson certainly fits that bill… not sure how chip will view his “character questions” but i def like his game..

    of course we wouldnt even be in this position if the stinkin Browns didnt steal my beloved Christian Kirksey last year…still pissed about it

  275. 275 wee2424 said at 8:59 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    God, would hate to be Nate Allen right now. Disliked by fans, has to find new team, and now arrested for displaying himself to a woman. I know he was released by police, and the girl was found to make it up, but its still emmbarassing to have your name all over the news regarding something like that.

  276. 276 Media Mike said at 9:40 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    If how he plays football is any indication, she wouldn’t have really seen anything even if he did pull down his pants.

  277. 277 tomw said at 10:56 AM on February 17th, 2015:

    At least he knows how to keep something covered.

  278. 278 wee2424 said at 3:16 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Good one. lol, there are so many jokes you can make of this situation. Tommy should dedicate a post just for jokes regarding this.

  279. 279 A_T_G said at 6:26 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Tommy has too much integrity to cater to his audience to such a degree. Or, as my wife puts it, “Don’t encourage [them].”

  280. 280 Guest said at 4:54 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Actually it’s the other way around. It just proves he can’t cover anything.

  281. 281 the DONALD said at 3:42 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Former Panther Thomas DeCoud any good? backup.. i see he was benched for a rookie.. prob not a great sign but maybe it made him work harder? any thoughts?

  282. 282 Greg Richards said at 3:44 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Might be worth a minimum salary flyer, but not any type of solution.

  283. 283 Insomniac said at 4:21 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Could be a good backup.

  284. 284 Tumtum said at 3:44 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    So just passing along a note that I heard on the radio this morning. I honestly don’t even think it was a sports station. It was just in the update portion of the program, not part of the main show. **edit** It was either a DC or Baltimore station.. not sure. I live and commute in an area where they overlap (They overlap in most of MD really)

    APPARENTLY (drawing eyes to this paragragh..) the Eagles have a deal prepared to fire-off during the draft with the Jets. It would include Nick Foles +. That is all assuming MM is still undrafted at 6.

    Neither endorsing or lambasting. Simply passing along what I heard. I honestly came here expecting it to be a hot top. Not a peep here or Philly.com so I figured I would share.

  285. 285 Greg Richards said at 3:46 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I think the “source” of this is a purely speculative article by Manish Mehta of the NY Daily News.

  286. 286 Javi Echie said at 4:16 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    That’s exactly who it is. I read the article this morning.

  287. 287 RobNE said at 4:49 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    the article says nothing about a deal in place. I continue to be baffled how this works.
    article: I’m thinking this might happen, but will write it as almost fact with no quotes or sources from anyone
    article’s own headline: this happened, probably
    picked up by next article: this happened, sure did
    next pick up: wow this is FACT

  288. 288 A_T_G said at 6:24 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    The second article has to start, “it has been reported…”

    The third article starts, “Multiple sources are stating…”

    John Stewart referred to it as the Fox News cycle.

  289. 289 Tumtum said at 7:19 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Nothing worse than sloppy news. This makes a sense now. Some 2 bit update guy was reading the paper and rushing so he just puts it on air.

  290. 290 anon said at 7:45 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    NYJ wouldn’t be a bad place to go. He could actually be pretty successful there — if I was him / and his agent i’d be thinking (1) huge media market with rabid fan base, (2) great defense, (3) great running game, (4) immediate starter.

    Only downside is (1) need to get more receivers, which they can do in the draft (though percy harvin + a rich man’s riley cooper isn’t bad), (2) have to play the pats twice a year.

    For nicky stixx it’s really not that bad. He could make a lot of $$ there. For eagles not sure if it totally makes sense, but again, not that bad a trade.

    All that said, if i’m philly and there was a trade it’d be contingent on non-disclosure, if i’m jets i’m only announcing the trade to auction the pick AND i want to get my fan base excited for 2015.

  291. 291 D3FB said at 10:22 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    The worst part of this time of year is the “echo chamber” articles.

  292. 292 GermanEagle said at 4:03 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Since it’s a slow news day let’s speculate for fun’s sake what “x” would involve in that trade scenario…
    X = 1st round 2015, 3rd round 2015 and 1st round 2016.

  293. 293 Avery Greene said at 4:53 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I don’t like X. This is a lot for one person. Here’s a question, has any team that has given up so much for one player ever panned out to something good in this football era?

  294. 294 GermanEagle said at 6:27 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Me neither and I wouldn’t do this trade.

  295. 295 unhinged said at 4:05 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    My first concern is the +. Giving up on Nick now is a kick in the gut, but how much potential and how much proven talent would a move like that require? Way too much IMO.

  296. 296 Media Mike said at 4:16 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    The Jets pick at 6 is worth 1600 points. The Eagles pick at 20 is worth 850.

    How much of the 750 remaining points is Foles worth?

    For the sake of discussion, I’d call Foles a solid 2nd rounder plus something else. Kolb was worth a 2nd rounder plus DRC. Pick 45 is worth 450. A guy like a DRC was worth a 5th maybe? Call that 35 points.

    So we’d need make up appx 265 points worth of value. Pick 84 is worth 170, and pick 110 (From Buffalo) is worth 74 points. That gets us 244 out of the 265.

    The remaining 21 points could be 6th rounder in 2016.

    So call it Foles, First (#20), Third (#84), 4th(#110), and a 2016 6th for the 6th overall pick from the Jets.

    I’m not sure I’d do all that.

  297. 297 Avery Greene said at 4:50 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Me either

  298. 298 Greg Richards said at 5:18 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I think at the time he was traded, DRC was worth more than a 5th.

  299. 299 Media Mike said at 5:25 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Arizona was down on him, thus trading him away. And he’s sucked since then as well. If you’d like to argue a 4th for him, feel free however.

  300. 300 botto said at 4:33 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    poor nick would end up irrelevant on the jets because they suck

  301. 301 unhinged said at 3:58 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I read somewhere that the Titans owner wanted to get Cutler in a trade with Bears. Maybe the Bears get an early Christmas present – some fool to take that inflated contract off their hands, and maybe that is an in to the QB who doesn’t become a Buc.

  302. 302 Media Mike said at 4:03 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    What is Cutler worth in a trade with a contract such as that; a 4th? Maybe a 3rd?

  303. 303 anon said at 4:37 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Nothing. He’s killed so many coaches it’s not funny.

  304. 304 GEAGLE said at 5:02 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    seriously, to get a team to take Cutlers contract the Bears might have to pay to make a team take him off their hands. Im serious too…. something Like Bears trade Jay Cutler and their 3rd round pick to lets say the Titans for their 6th round pick,… the only reason the titans would give up the 6th is because you have to give up something in an NFL trade… but the Team recieving Cutler would get a better draft pick than the pick they send to the bears. his contract is untradeable.. you have to give up value to take that contract off your hands, so Cutlers “value” is NEGATIVE right now… two years from now when you can get out of that contract, he will be worth something again

  305. 305 unhinged said at 5:32 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    The context was 1) Titans owner is a bit loopy and 2) Cutler is a Vandy product, and they’re “his” people down there. If this were to happen, Tennessee would need to get serious cash remuneration or Bear’s 2016 no.2 or both. I would love to see this kind of reckless money chess. An ode to P.T. Barnum and Dan Snider at the same time.

  306. 306 GEAGLE said at 5:36 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    lol works for me. im always down to laugh at someone elses dysfunction….. but the gift that would keep on giving is Snyder trading for him lol

    Snyder has made a few smart moves recently, which means you know he is itching to do something incredibly stupid lol.. it wouldnt be an offseason without Snyder making a fool of himself

  307. 307 Media Mike said at 7:38 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    One other consideration is that Wiz hates young QBs.

  308. 308 Media Mike said at 4:06 PM on February 17th, 2015:


    Dez to be franchised. Translation; the Cowboys are offering a deal in the 13 mil / year range, but Dez has his valued pegged in the $15 mil / year range.

    In either case, a long term deal for Dez would feature cap charges in the first few years that are well short of what Dallas will have to pay using the tag.


  309. 309 GermanEagle said at 4:36 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    If I was Dez I would pull a Revis asking for $20m/year. Lol.

  310. 310 botto said at 4:23 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    so what makes MM so much better than Foles? is it only that he can run faster?
    therefore opening up the play book and the looks?
    is that it? I mean its maybe a lot but is he so much better passing too? can he hit Maclin 65 yards in stride down field too?
    just curious.
    I am a foles fan but admit having MM would be pretty darn exciting.

  311. 311 Media Mike said at 4:29 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Great question when asking a guy to take a leap from playing a spread in college to playing in the NFL.

  312. 312 GEAGLE said at 5:04 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    nothing,… Marriotta is an NFL prospect. Nick foles is an NFL QB who teams have offered 2nd round picks and elite young players like Josh Gordon to acquire…. basically he runs faster. he has yet to display the level of mental and physical toughness Nick has… from the beating he took willing his team to win against the Skins, shaking off a bad first half to bring us back in the playoffs… or how about the fact that he broke his throwing hand as a rookie and was tough enough to not only finish the game, but dude tried to throw Bombs with a broken throwing hand as if thats normal lol

    Marriotta is the sexier option… Foles brings the substance

  313. 313 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:26 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    C’mon man! lol Mariota hasnt even played a snap in the NFL yet n you are comparing him to Foles.. Foles is an NFL QB who was offered a 2nd round pick n a issued player like Josh Gordon.. Well look at all the talk about selling the farm to get Mariota lol Could the same thing be said about Foles??

    This Mariota vs Foles thing is BS.. Youre gonna have pro Foles n pro Mariota fans everywhere.. Mariota goes to another team cool we move on with Foles or whoever.. Mariota comes to Eagles oh he better be better than Foles??

    There hasnt been one QB that screams Franchise QB to me other than McNabb.. Not Kolb, not Vick n not Foles either.. Foles still could be that guy but man stay healthy n prove it.. Stats aint gonna make me believe it

    Kinda hope Mariota goes 1st pick overall coz all this hype or dislike of the guy is annoying

  314. 314 GEAGLE said at 5:46 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    im not sold on Marriotta… you want me to pretend to be? even if the Eagles trade Foles today, I still wont be rooting for us to acquire marriotta in May… I dont like his game independant of Foles… I dont like any of the QBs projected to go in the first 3 rounds of this draft… i cant force myself to believe in a kid… If Marriotta is going to be the Eagles QB, im going to shit my pants, and pray to the gods that I cant possibly be more wrong about him,.

    but You will never get me to be a mindless sheep and go along with the Fabricated storylnes and bogus predictions the media makes every year that end up being the assumed opinion… sorry, but I have no proof that Chip is dying to have Marriotta at this level, I dont have a shred of evidence that points to that being true… the only thing close to evidence is extreme praise by chip, but Chip made those similar extreme Praises about johnny jackass less than a year ago…. I have some tangible evidence that i can point to that backs up chip valuing Nick Foles… I have NOTHING but Media assumption by the same Media blowhards who are always wrong this time of year…..
    so I need more then the media attempting to connect the dots before i believe it…. especially since this time of year the media always makes crazy assumptions that get blown out of proportion til it becomes expected and then the draft unfolds and ity proves that the media didnt know shit all along..

    so Im sorry, but im not going to be a mindless sheep that just defers to media connecting the dots,… too many tmes i seen the media all believe something and talk about it all offseason as if its guaranteed to be true, only for it to end up being BS…. until I have some type of info that points to chip liking Marriotta so much more than Nick as a pro QB that he would give up Nick and valuable assets we need to build this team, I dont believe it…

  315. 315 GEAGLE said at 5:52 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I can believe Chip would like to have Marriotta on this roster, but im not even close to believing that he wants him bad enough to pay the absurd costs that it would take, when we need to dumb assets into building a good enough team around the QB position… maybe if he falls to 20, but taking the 20th pick away from positions that need it is bad enough, i damn sure dont see chip paying a steeper price than that so he can start over from scratch with a new young QB when we are going into year 3… i think itrs crazy talk. i honestly do

    Sorry, but I simply dont think Chip has any interest in starting all over, developing a new young QB from scratch when he is going into his 3rd year… I dont believe that at all…. the most I can believe is chip being willing to draft him and have him backup Foles if he were to fall to 20, but even that aggrivates me, when i think at the type of player we can get in the top 20 to fill other major needs

  316. 316 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:00 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Honestly who knows what Chip believes in when it comes to value with picks.. Jordan Matthews 1st round grade.. Hart 3rd round grade.. Barkley n i think Logan he had 2nd round grades.. Know what i mean.. Mariota might have a top 5 grade on him.. The talk from the fans is just as bad or even worse as the media you try not to listen too.. Thats why i reckon its best just to wait until Draft day all questions will be answered.. N all speculation will be squashed

  317. 317 GEAGLE said at 11:40 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    im sure marynowitz will set the draft board and tell chip when we can wait til the next round to draft a certain player same as howie did

  318. 318 botto said at 6:42 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    to be fair, taking Mariotta wouldn’t really be starting from scratch for Chip… it would be a reunion more like. and starting from maybe step 2 or three instead of step one.

  319. 319 GEAGLE said at 6:53 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    it still starting from scratch in terms of starting the transition of taking a college QB and growing him into an NFL QB, and Marriôtta has not been groomed for this NFL game. he has been groomed for Chips offense, but Chips offense against college defense, is very very different than chips offense against NFL defenses, especially the secondaries. You don’t see college secondaries throwing as much as NFL secondaries throw at kids..

    We have a ways to go in terms of building a roster that a rookie can win with…

    We have to agree to disagree, I can’t spend any more time talking about something I don’t view as reality,.. If I’m wrong, I’ll own it like always,,. But I don’t believe any of this

  320. 320 botto said at 7:00 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I don’t disagree.
    I just like the way Russell Wilson can do things with his legs and SLIDE away from contact makes me think it would help to have some athleticness at qb. like old number 5.

  321. 321 GENETiC-FREAK said at 5:55 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    No one is asking you to be a mindless sheep for Mariota lol You are the biggest Foles fan ever no doubt about it that you wont see any other QB in the same light.. One thing that a lot of fans talk about is oh Mariota stats are overrated coz of the team n scheme he plays in then talk about Foles stats.. Umm its similar schemes?? lol

    You dont listen to the media but you bring up the 2nd round pick or trade for Josh Gordon? lol

    Im saying all this talk with Mariota vs Foles talk is BS.. Its seems more of a fan base problem then anything else

  322. 322 GEAGLE said at 6:06 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    there are plenty of young QBs i like… For example, i would rather trade one of our two 4th round picks to add Glennon, than spend a pick on any QB available in the first 3 rounds of this draft…. would rather see Chip work with a young QB with some NFL experience, than to start all over with a rookie QB when we are going into year 3 coming off two 10-6 seasons…

    Its not a case of Foles Vs. Marriotta
    if it were that simple i could actually understand this convo. but that convo is an unrealistic waste of time…The realistic convo is we have to dumb assets into trading for Marriotta. if we had a team like the seahawks in place and all we needed was to find the right QB, then this convo would make some more sense to me… but you not only are talking about going into year 3 starting all over with a rookie who hasnt been at all groomed to play in this league yet, but you are talking about spending valuable assets to get him which take away from our ability to fill hte major needs on our roster around the QB position…

    also a big part of my disdain for this convo is i dont even think most people realize what they are asking for. be careful what you wish for sort of deal. I dont believe its possible to know exactly what you have in a young QB til year 4-5 preferably in the same offense… I dont believe Marriotta will provide more instant gratification in the first two years than Nick did… so all the people that already want to give up on Nick years before we see what he can grow in, think they want to start over with Marriotta, but after he proves to not be a world beater in year two, then what? we start all over with another young QB? this city will never find its QB if we dont allow the young men the time needed to see who they grow into… if you arent willing to deal with the ups and downs of a young developing QB who gave you a magic season like last yera, I have a hard time believing you will have the patience to deal with Marriottas ups and downs anyway…

  323. 323 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:18 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Chip only has 3 more years including this year left on his contract.. If he were to win or go down on his own terms with his own guys n Mariota was his guy then im all for it.. If Foles is the guy then im all for it

    Foles is on his last year so he is a key part with how Chip hits FA n the Draft.. Foles is the future then no QB will be selected.. If Foles isnt the future a QB will be drafted high.. Thats how i see it

    Its all in with Chip no matter what for the next 3 years anyway.. So if im gonna have to wait for Foles or Mariota to win in the next 3 years under Chip then so be it

  324. 324 GEAGLE said at 6:34 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Fair enough personally I assume my view of FOles is closer to chips opinion of the kid, then the consensus undervaluing of Nick…. But we’ll see, could be wrong,
    The Good part is judgement day is coming…. Soon there won’t be QBs in college who chip is automatically connected to, and soon the Eagles will have to make their opinion of FOles clear since his contract is Up….. So one way or another, only so much longer we have to put up with the assumptions… Soon everything will be answered and you don’t have to put up with my FOles assumptions, and I won’t have to put up EVERYONEs Marriotta assumptions…
    As for THIS draft, In my oppinion, I’m not expecting the Eagles to draft a QB unless 1 of 2 things happen:
    1) Barkley is elevated to #2 status
    2) Chip No Longer wants to work with Barkley and waives him.
    If Barkley remains on this team, but chip DOESNT elevate him to #2 status, you won’t see the Eagles draft a QB, because I don’t believe chip would EVER go into the season with a rookie as his #2…. So if chip wants to continue to keep Barkley as the #3, there won’t even be room to draft a QB..

    Which is exactly why I’m so much more interested in what happens with Sanchez and our backup Qb situatuon than I am talking about the latest QB prospect…

  325. 325 GENETiC-FREAK said at 6:45 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Thats the one bro judgement day is coming! lol Yeah man im going into this FA n Draft open minded.. If i have it set then something different happens kinda makes you think too much into it

  326. 326 MagatBrackendale said at 8:56 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Staying healthy matters for sure.

  327. 327 botto said at 6:48 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    what if, MM turns out to be the man and Tampa or the jets all the sudden are really good?
    then we BLEW it didn’t we?
    especially if we have to play another half season with aback up QB.

  328. 328 GEAGLE said at 10:14 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    what if Foles turns into a really good QB?

  329. 329 A_T_G said at 6:12 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    As a prospect, I think the biggest thing Marcus has going for him is adaptability. Take his name, for example. Mariota can be spelled as is, with an extra R, an extra T, or both. This allows teams to feel secure that he will be sporting an asthetically pleasing name placard, regardless of the font, kerning, or spacing used.

  330. 330 Insomniac said at 6:46 PM on February 17th, 2015:


  331. 331 botto said at 6:46 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    oh yeah I never thought of that. makes sense. I love name placards.

  332. 332 MagatBrackendale said at 8:55 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Mmm, kerning. Mmm

  333. 333 Greg Richards said at 6:18 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Could someone please come and insert a needle into me that will put me in a coma until FA starts and then 2 weeks later put another needle in me that will keep me under until the draft begins?

  334. 334 Avery Greene said at 7:19 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    It sounds like you need HiberNol.


  335. 335 GEAGLE said at 6:26 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Looks like andy is cutting his entire stable of WR’s…. We dealt with some Horrendous WRs under Andy… Torrence, Trash, Stinkston, Stank Baskett Kevin “yeah I know” Curtis… But Andy really out did himself this time, Can’t imagine there have been too many teams that didn’t get a single TD from a WR over the course of an entire season…
    Donnie Avery who destroyed us last year was cut, makes sense since he is more of a deep threat these days and it desnt make sense to pay a deep threat when your QBs arm is in serious need of Viagra… DWAYNE BOWE might be next to get waived. I never been much of a fan, but he is a pretty solid physical blocker with a big body, if he is cheap enough after two terrible years with that limp noodle arm Alex Smth, I wouldn’t Hate adding him as a Redzone Target, if he is cheap enough of course… Andy also cut Epic draft bust AJ Jenkins.,,

    While Andy is waiving draft busts, the skins are working them out… No idea why, but the skins were working out epic bust Vernon Gholston, what’s next Lavar Arrington out of retirement? Lol

  336. 336 A_T_G said at 6:29 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Signing a KC WR as a red zone threat is an oxy moron, but Bowe would have my interest. He seems like a serious upgrade on Cooper.

  337. 337 GEAGLE said at 6:47 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Yeah if we could get out of Coops deal now, I would love to swap him for Bowe… But there isn’t much use for Bowe and Coop in the same offense,,,

    if Avery’s price tag is cheap enough, I wouldn’t mnd him as a “situational deep threat”, especially if we go with a QB like FOles who likes to go down field with the ball.
    Torrey Smith would be a nice addition with Maclin, but there will most likely be a big discrepancy between how much teams are willing to pay him, and how much he thinks he is worth..

  338. 338 botto said at 6:49 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    we DO need a deep threat, someone really fast like that guy the skins have. with good hands too. like that same guy, just not him.

  339. 339 MagatBrackendale said at 8:54 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    You mean that guy who’s best year he scored the same number of TD’s as Maclin did in 2014? Otherwise he only scored 2 TDs all year twice and 4 TDs all year one other time? That WR?

  340. 340 A_T_G said at 9:36 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Yeah, but where can we find our Rashad Ross?


    (Yes, I googled that.)

  341. 341 Avery Greene said at 7:16 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I was thinking this as well. Unfortunately, I don’t want to pay Cooper to ride the bench.

  342. 342 Greg Richards said at 7:58 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Just because they weren’t legitimate #1 or even #2 receivers, that doesn’t make those guys “horrendous”. Thrash was a solid #2 WR and good STs player, Baskett did well for an UDFA, and Kevin Curtis was very good before getting hurt. Small wasn’t impressive and Pinkston underperformed for his draft position. If you want to talk about horrible Eagles receivers, the conversation should start with Freddie Mitchell.

  343. 343 GEAGLE said at 10:13 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    so you think our WRs were acceptable the first 3 years under andy?
    if your #1 WRs are really #3 caliber NFL WRs there is a major problem,

  344. 344 Tumtum said at 7:26 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    PFT FA hit 100: #5 JPP, #26 BG. Am i the only one who thinks Brandon is the better player at this point?

  345. 345 Media Mike said at 7:37 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    JPP is a one year wonder piece of NY garbage.

  346. 346 anon said at 7:39 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    And billy jean is?

  347. 347 Andy Six Score and Four said at 7:42 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    not my lover. she’s just a girl that claims that I am the one. But the kid is not my son.

  348. 348 MagatBrackendale said at 8:46 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    So he says, but what did his Momma say?

    “And mother always told me be careful who you love
    And be careful what you do ’cause the lie becomes the truth”. Hey, hey.

    I think she meant keep it in your pants, son.

  349. 349 Media Mike said at 7:42 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Billy Jean…………


  350. 350 GermanEagle said at 8:10 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    A name we haven’t mentioned much is Derrick Morgan, who can remind some a lot of Brandon Graham.

    Same age, both previous 4-3 DE’s before being converted to 3-4 OLB. Both free agents.

    While PFT ranks Morgan one spot above BG, Rotoworld ranks the first just behind the latter. Most experts agree that both would be better suited to play DE again.

    So why haven’t we talked about the UFA from the Titans much?

  351. 351 Media Mike said at 8:14 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Derrick Morgan is a complete piece of trash. Instead of going to Penn State he spurned his home state (he’s from Coatesville, just like that sellout piece of garbage Rip Hamilton – who when to UConn instead of a big 5 school) to hide down at GA Tech.

    He’s not a big time player. F him.

  352. 352 GermanEagle said at 8:20 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I can hear some grudges…

  353. 353 Media Mike said at 8:33 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Absolutely. If you’re a football player in the state of Pennsylvania and you’re recruited by Penn State; you either go there or face a lifetime of knowing you’re a sellout piece of trash.

    If you’re a basketball player in the 5 county Philadelphia area and you’re recruited by one of the Big 5 schools (or Drexel); you either go to one of those 5 (6) schools or face a lifetime of knowing you’re a sellout piece of trash.

  354. 354 Greg Richards said at 8:59 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    If you’re a football player recruited by Penn State, kudos to you for refusing to go to that disgrace of an institution.

  355. 355 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on February 18th, 2015:


  356. 356 Bert's Bells said at 9:14 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    That’s insane.

    Practically “Deutschland uber alles” level.

  357. 357 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    Hey, I need my teams to do well and everybody else’s to struggle. Loyalty of homegrown talent is a must.

  358. 358 Bert's Bells said at 7:32 AM on February 18th, 2015:


  359. 359 GEAGLE said at 11:45 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    cuz he is a downgrade and i mention all the time how the titans will throw money at worlids since they are letting Morgan and Wimbley leave in free agency

  360. 360 Mitchell said at 9:27 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Round 1 Pick 22 (PITT): Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 20: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 24 (PITT): Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (B)
    Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 14: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 20: Ladarius Gunter, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B-)
    Round 5 Pick 20: Ellis McCarthy, DT, UCLA (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 20: Junior Salt, OG, Utah (F)
    Round 7 Pick 20: Antwan Goodley, WR, Baylor (B-)

    I bet you would let this draft eat crackers in your bed.

  361. 361 Raul Estrada said at 11:01 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    I’ll just add more intrigue to the story: Even if we get MM, there’s only 2 QBs in the SB era that won both Heismans and Super Bowls:

    1) Roger Staubach
    2) Jim Plunkett

    So the odds for MM to win a SB are pretty slim, anyway.

    Mortgaging the future for drafting him to me, is a bit irrational. This league despite the Pats constantly cheating, has parody enough to remain competitive to get there.

    Once you do, you have to win it with very good players and mostly players you drafted and you have to draft well with the combination of great coaching and a bit of luck, per se.

  362. 362 BlindChow said at 12:27 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    Eh, you’re basically saying that winning a Heisman prevents you from winning a Super Bowl. That’s just silly.

    College success obviously doesn’t necessarily correspond to NFL success, but let’s say Mariota was a runner-up instead of a winner. Would he be any MORE likely to win a Super Bowl in that case? Of course not. Plenty of QB’s without Heismans never won a Super Bowl.

    You’re confusing “odds” with “statistics.”

  363. 363 RobNE said at 6:23 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    No one named Marcus Mariotta has won. Don’t try to escape statistics.

  364. 364 Raul Estrada said at 6:54 PM on February 22nd, 2015:

    I’m not confusing both terms; using the odds because of the situations on how those HT winners won the SB.

    Staubach had to serve in the Navy before he could set foot on the field, and Plunkett had to suffer through a rough early career before settling in Oakland/LA.

    Either way, it’s going to take some time before any rookie QB will take you to the promised land.

  365. 365 GEAGLE said at 11:34 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    .An AFC scout calls Missouri WR Dorial Green-Beckham “special,” and believes he’d be considered the best receiver prospect since Calvin Johnson if not for his off-the-field issues.

    “He’s one of the best receivers I’ve ever seen,” the scout said. “He’s gigantic, he has tremendous body control, balance, he runs like a deer and can leap out of the gym and high-point the ball.” Green-Beckham was a five-star recruit out of high school, but couldn’t stay out of trouble at Mizzou, getting caught with marijuana before being accused of domestic violence. He transferred to Oklahoma, but had to sit out because of the NCAA’s transfer rules. DGB is a top-10 talent who could fall to day two because of his character question marks.-roto

    patriots will take advantage as usual

  366. 366 anon said at 11:59 PM on February 17th, 2015:

    Just think about Josh Gordon or that dude in Jacksonville. Especially right now in the NFL, that culture situation is key, especially for WRs

  367. 367 GEAGLE said at 10:12 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    not every college kid who gets caught smoking weed will become josh Gordon who looses years of his xcareer over pot

  368. 368 Insomniac said at 12:35 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    Still hoping that we take a flier on him.

  369. 369 anon said at 12:01 AM on February 18th, 2015:

    Mariota is going to throw at the combine. Hopefully the tank starts this week.