Saturday Combine Stuff
Posted: February 21st, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 409 Comments »The QBs, WRs and RBs worked out on Saturday. The Eagles saw some good performances.
* Marcus Mariota had a good day. He did well in the athletic tests. He threw the ball well. He looked like a big-time QB. Chip Kelly watched his old pupil closely, but the good showing by Mariota makes it all the more likely that the Eagles have little to no chance to get him.
Mariota mentioned on the NFL Network that he didn’t meet with the Eagles. This makes sense. The team has a limited number of interview sessions. Why waste one on a guy Kelly knows very well?
* Jameis Winston threw the ball better than anyone else at the Combine. His combination of touch, accuracy and arm strength is outstanding. With a clean background, he’d be almost universally #1.
* Brett Hundley had a good showing. He tested well. I thought he looked good throwing the ball. There is no question that he’s got good potential. I’d love to spend a mid-round pick on Hundley and develop him for several years. The problem is that his potential means he’s almost certain to go in the 1st or 2nd round.
Hundley measurables: 6'3 1/4" 226 lbs. 10.5" hand 4.63u (40) 36" vert 10' broad 3.98 shutt. 6.93 3cone
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) February 21, 2015
Chip Kelly loves athletic QBs with big hands. You know he’s got to be fascinated by Hundley. With Mariota quickly fading into the distance, it is important for the Eagles to have other options. I’m not a fan of taking Hundley at 20, but it is a possibility. We’ll have to wait and see how much Kelly likes him.
* I thought Bryce Petty helped himself more than any other QB. He had a terrific season for Baylor, but was up and down at the Senior Bowl. His intermediate passing was less than ideal, which led to this.
I am literally crying laughing in my hotel listening to audio of @lawlornfl telling Bryce Petty he looked awkward today throwing the ball.
— Jimmy Kempski (@JimmyKempski) January 21, 2015
Petty looked much more natural throwing the ball in Indy. His intermediate throws were more accurate and had better velocity. Understand that QBs go work with tutors when the season is over to deal with the flaws in their game. Petty had about 2 weeks between the end of his season and the Senior Bowl. He’s had another 4 weeks since then. I’m sure he’s getting all kinds of training on footwork and mechanics.
I’m not excusing the faults Petty has. Watch the game tape and you see some accuracy issues and some erratic decision-making (heavily affected by his offensive scheme and the lack of reading progressions). There are also some medical issues for doctors to check out.
But I feel more comfortable with Petty after the Combine than I did the Senior Bowl. He’s another player I’d prefer in the 3rd or 4th, but I’m not sure he makes it out of the 2nd round.
* More than a few Eagles fans like QB Brandon Bridge. He showed a terrific arm in Indy. He’s big and pretty athletic. I just see him as a major project. I’m only interested in him late in the draft. QB projects don’t pan out very often.
* Bryan Bennett threw the ball well, just like at the Senior Bowl. I see him as a developmental QB of interest, but he also would need some work.
* Would the Eagles consider WR Dorial Green-Beckham? DGB is huge at 6-5, 237 and has the potential to be a special player. But he’s also got major baggage. You want to learn from the Justin Blackmon-Josh Gordon types. They have great talent, but can’t stay out of trouble. Is DGB one of them or is he a kid that can learn from his mistakes?
* If Devante Parker is on the board at 20, do you take him? Big talent with no real questions. Parker had a solid day.
* Sammie Coates will not be pick 20. He has good talent and potential, but you could see how problematic his hands can be. Had several drops today and you can see that he’s not a natural hands-catcher.
* Devin Funchess is a player I struggle with. Kelly loves big guys. Funchess, a former TE, is 6-4, 232. He only ran 4.70 today. That’s not awful since he’s 232 pounds, but it does affect his draft value. Some teams will still see him as a matchup nightmare and want Funchess. I don’t see a guy who always plays up to his size and that bugs me for a guy who is slow and has to use his size/strength to win. Still could be a terrific pro if he’s in the right situation.
* I would love Phillip Dorsett in the 2nd round. He ran 4.33. He is a gifted downfield receiver and that speed shows up on game day. Devin Smith wasn’t quite as fast as expected, but is another talented WR. I doubt Jaelen Strong lasts to pick 20 in the 2nd round.
* RB Ameer Abdullah had a great showing, except for his 40 time. He is strong, explosive, agile and versatile, but he doesn’t time fast. Could he be another Westy/Shady type that comes from the 2nd or 3rd round and turns out to be a stud? Would be an interesting fit in Kelly’s offense.
* I was impressed by RB Davis Johnson as a receiver. Big and athletic, and looks natural in space. Catches the ball well.
* Several small school guys got my attention. I need to watch more of Zach Zenner from South Dakota State. I’m also interested in Thomas Rawls of Central Michigan.
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There wasn’t one player I cam away thinking “We must get him”. I get a lot of questions about what the Eagles will do. Remember that we need to see free agency before we know what the draft plan is going to look like.
I thought this was a good showing by the skill players. The Eagles have a talented offense already, but they shouldn’t pass up talent if the right guys falls to their spot.
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I’d love some combo of Duke or David Johnson/Abdullah, Smith/Dorsett/Parker
jaelen Strong is 1st round pick worthy.
Tommy, you know why Strong isn’t lasting till pick 20 in the second round? Because we’re picking him at 20, in the first, BOOM!
i heard tommy would of looooved to draft andrew luck in the bottom of the 3rd round but didnt think hed make it out of the 2nd HE WAS RIGHT!! lmfao
Its a deep draft for WR. As long as Maclin is signed i doubt we go WR in first. I really think Kendricks may be the pick with Oline in second. Our need for young offensive line talent, esspecially OG is large. I just cant wait for draft, and FA of course.
Random thinking here. I think if we get little Kendricks at 20 people will say we got him too soon. He wont last till our second pick. I personnaly think it would be a good pick. Having two fast athletic and versatile LB in the middle of the feild would help this D tremendously. Secondary gets worked on in FA, and you add another player such as Kendricks in the middle and this D has the ability to be very formidable. Little Kendricks reminds me alot of Bobby Wagner from Seattle. With the Kendricks brothers you have 2 ILB that are great in pursuit, can cover large areas of feild, good in coverage, and excellent blitzers. Adding him to the passrush would add another dimension and could confuse offenses. 3/4 of your LBs are good coverage LBs. Add Jenkins who is capable of covering some WR, TE, and RB one on one, and another good safety, with improved CB play, this defense could see a real turn around. The Dline is young and already possibly the biggest strength of this team.
Why not trade down at get him in between 20 and 52 while also getting another pick in the process?
wont fall past GB at the end of round 1
If that is higher than we have him graded; Green Bay is welcome to him at that pick.
if he ends up providing the Level of 3down ILB play his brother gives us, well worth #20 IMO….
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even if he falls to the top 8 picks of round 2, im not sure i would rather pick someone at 20, and then spend multiple picks trading up for him in round 2, rather than take him at 20, and use the rd 2 pick and the other pick that costs us trading up for him on rd 2-3 talent
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been high on the kid all year, i just think the world of him and his ability. I love the familiarity and the guess work it eliminates knowing his family well…. but I do understand people arguing against spending the 20th pick on him… im banking on chip seeing things “different” from the kiper consensus
I fear for Mel Kiper’s health and your level of freedom in the future if you and Mel ever cross paths.
i dont want to do bodily hard to him… i just want to debate him on live TV… its not like my hatred for Screech or Pdiddy or jOHNNY clipboard who I want to be locked in a UFC Octagon with
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part of me has to respect him for popularizing this time of year i enjoy so much… he does alot of good, but he also does alot of bad turning fanbases against its front office.. personally I expect people working for the eagles to scout these players better than kiper. also what kiper hears factors into his analysis, problem is all the front office people using him as a tool to leak misinformation. hate how someone who every year is so inaccuate has so much power that he can turn a fans against front offices and the young man they drafted… but his inaccuracy isnt really a knock on him.. its nearly impossible to mock the first round correctly, let alone the draft. heck mocking the top 12 players in the right order is almost impossible once trades get involved.. yet this dude who gets like 7 of 31 picks right every year has all this power over how entire fanbases view the kids their front office just drafted
Why would you want to be in an UFC match vs. those guys? What if when Dana White is fixing all of the outcomes ahead of time he decides that you need to lose?
yeah right… u are insane. you have no clue how hard they had to work to make this into a real respected sport.. the fertitas and Dana would never risk what they build and fertitas casino business by fixing a fight… he doesnt need to fix fight, he has one of the top marketing teams in the world… 4 months ahead of time a fight is announced and that day we look at a mismatch fight and know its a complete mismatch and you 99% sure who will win the fight the day its announced, but by the time the fight happens 4 months later, the UFC marketing team is so strong that by the time fight night arrives you will be questioning, what was an obvious mismatch because they market the fights so damn well
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UFC and its owners were 40 million dollars in debt 15 years ago, and really really close from throwing in the towel. imagine dumping 40 million into a failure, the ultimate fighter show culminating with Stephan Bonner and Forrest griffin playing rockem sock em robots, providing the perfect fight, at the perfect time that turned a 40million dollar waste into a billion dollar company today
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you are nuts if you think they ever risk pissing that away by fixing a fight.. they have no reason to, they will always make money, fighters are so underpaid compared to what they are bringing in..and no matter who wins, they can market him so well that they really dont even have to care about the outcomes of fights
I think he was just joking around dude.
Because you are taking a huge risk he wont be there. Wouldnt suprise me if Packers take him in first. They need a young athletic 3-4 ILB. They needed ILB so bad that they had to move Mathews inside.
Then we lose him. I’m really not sold on Kendricks being good enough to take at 20. There are other ILBs of merit in the draft.
I understand. The way i see it his skill set matches what we want, and could help take this defense to another level. Due to this the Birds may value him higher then other teams. Having two fast, skilled, and athletic ILB in the middle of the feild helps the D tremendously in multiple ways. Coverage, blitzing, disguised looks. If he is effective at covering TEs which i think he would be that means you can have your safeties back more helping your CBs. Playing zone with both Kendricks in the middle would be nice considering their range. The way i see it, once you get to the later picks of round one alot of times you may be picking a guy that is graded as an early second because you know you wont have an opportunity again. The talent level from late 1 to early 2 isnt that different. Honestly who cares if you truely beleive the guy could be a playmaker for you and fit your scheme perfectly.
If I believe a home fits my needs perfectly, I’m still not going to bid for it over it’s appraised value. I only have so much money to buy a home.
A team only has so many draft picks. Reaching on them leaves you short in addressing other areas.
forget what fools say. let em chirp… truth is, the GB packers realy wanted shazier last year but the steelers stole him. ILB is such a need for them that they took their best pass rusher Clay and were forced to play him inside… id bet anything GB doesnt let Erik Kendricks fall out of round 1… and letting him get to the cardinals, bengals and cowboys is playing with fire. every dallas ILB is a free agent lol
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i wouldnt dick around, just draft him at 20 and call it a day..let em chirp
Tommy, im one of the few that think the Birds will go Oline as soon as the second round. Who would be of interest at that point?
They could go OL in the first. It’s really going to come down to how the draft plays out. It’s a solid group up top but with no real clear cut top guy.
In round one: Scherff will be gone. Flowers could go anywhere in the first round, he’s a monster a human being with dancing bear feet, but he sucks at run blocking and needs some NFL S&C and a nutrition program. Collins and Clemmings may or may not be there. They both struggle with getting overextended in the run game and against elite speed rushers, so they would be perfect for us being able to play them at RG and then RT early in their careers.
Peat is overrated and doesn’t fit what we do.
As far as the next tier it’s probably:
Sambraillo http://scoutsnotebook.com/2015/02/06/scouting-report-ot-ty-sambrailo/
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Jake Fisher
both of whom could go as early as the late first.
What are your thoughts on Fisher starting his career inside at OG? If he could hold up there while we squeeze the last out of JP, he seems ideal.
Fisher could start inside. especially in our zone scheme. Long term he projects to a RT, and Lane and Fisher would be a nice pair of bookend tackles.
The problem is he probably isn’t BPA at 20, and he’s not going to be there at 52.
Thank you. Appreciate your work. What im sorta taking from your post is that this is not a deep draft for Oline.
It’s early in the process, most of my work has been on top 100 types simply due to limited tape availabilty.
Lol, no need to explain. Its not my skill, but from someone that loves and understands the sport i could only imagine how time consuming and tedious it must be.
It’s time consuming but I enjoy doing it.
The worst part is falling in love with 20-25 guys and if you’re lucky only getting a couple that become Eagles.
As someone that has more in depth knowledge then most everyone on here. How would you feel if Kendricks was the pick at 20? Just curious.
ILB is a devalued pick, to me you have to be a special player and athlete to take in round one. Eric is likely to be a good player and for a long time but just isn’t special. He’s a good athlete, but not his brother. He’s a good player but not a big impact linebacker. The guy I’ve compared him to for months now is James Lauranitis. Good player, 10 year above average starter in the league, but never in the conversation of the top linebackers.
It’s a safe pick, but it lacks upside. I’d rather see one of the offensive linemen left on the board. ALthough I’d truly love to see Hundley.
Ali Marpet, Mitch Morse, Mark Glowinski, Cameron Erving, Laurence Gibson jump out to me as athletic mid round prospects. But that’s just based on combine numbers so i would be really interested to hear from someone with more knowledge… And if Jake Fisher starts dropping he would be a great one to trade up for…
I wouldnt mind Ali Marpet just for his name.
My favorite WR in this class is Philly’s own Jaelen Strong. The former ASU star had a really good showing yesterday. I’d love to get him in the 2nd round but I feel as through after his performance today he’s not gonna be available.
He’s pretty well cemented at WR 4/5 depending on where you slot in DGB. There is a chance he goes before pick 20.
Yea he’s a pipe dream now at this point, but a man can dream though lol
i wouldnt call 4 or 5 WRs all being drafted before 20 a pipe dream…
I don’t know… Aaron Hernandez played for his hometown team and look how that turned out.
I don’t know if your intent was supposed to have been funny or not, but in either way it missed its mark and honestly I don’t care for it. I was love for this kid to rep my city proudly as a homegrown talent.. Why even bring up that scumbag.
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For my money if you want a WR to help stretch the field vertically go take Kenny Bell on day 3. He can jump out of the gym, he’s works harder at blocking than any other QB in the class. He’s a high character/energy guy.
Oh, and he loves his Afro/bucket hat combo.
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/147/files/2014/04/Kenny-Bell.jpg
you think we take a vertical threat? heard kenny’s routes weren’t good. i’d be sort of surprised if we do anything at WR, though i’d like a better redzone threat than cooper.
the more i read about this guy the more i like him.
I don’t think we will take a WR early, but it’s a really deep class and you can get someone like a Kenny Bell for a 5 or a 6.
Bell isn’t the most technical of route runners, but he got away with it in college (plus he didn’t exactly have precision passers), but he’s a 4.4 guy with a 40″ vert, and plays the game with as much passion and enthusiasm as it should be played. To me he’s a guy that fits the theme of what we look for in WR’s but provides a unique skill set.
Another deep WR class. Wouldnt suprise me at all if a move was made their in 2 or 3.
Any thoughts on Titus Davis from Central Michigan as a day 3 guy?
Haven’t gotten to him yet, but a couple guys i respect are buzzing about him.
Tommy did you have a chance to look at the O Line prospects? Quite a few athletic guys there that might be available after first two rounds… Jake Fisher might be in play at 20 overall, he’s super athletic but i wonder would he be a bit too weak to start off as an OG?
Man we fickle fans…. wheres all the Shaq Thompson love ? Now that the Skill guys went everybody wants them lol
I am still on the Shaq bus. I want to fix secondary in FA (I dont like the DB class at all for the eagles early) and unless a pass rusher falls unexpectedly I think he is the only defensive player I want at 20.
To play what position exactly?..If you’re thinking ILB, Mckinney, Perriman, and Kendricks are all better options at 20. Safety?. No thanks I’d rather draft a natural safety instead of a project.
Better players at ILB. Would get burnt as safety in this league. Doesnt fit our safety scheme. Can possibly be like a Chancellor, which yet again doesnt fit what we look for in safeties. He is a tweener to the max. Will go to a team that will have a highly specified role for him. We could do sooo much better in the first round.
I was never really on him. I want dupree or peters
if people are impressed with my boy Jaelen Strong, they should really be impressed by how Peters matched up against him when they faced off… advantage Peters
Choked off Strong’s production, did he?
played him really well. i was shocked
Should be interesting once all of the DB numbers get settled out.
I’d still find Thompson interesting on this team for the level of versatility he’d provide to the D.
Isn’t it often said that if you think a QB is your guy then get him? If Hundley becomes a starter then pick #20 won’t be too high of a price. But who knows what Kelly thinks…
I hope Kelly doesn’t think much of Hundley. I don’t want him on the team.
If Jamarcus Russell was a starter and was good as hyped then pick 1 would not have been to high of a price. Hindsight is 20/20. If he becomes a starter then said pick was not to high of a price. Most ridiculous and obvious thing said on the board today.
Perhaps this hypothetical has come but, would you trade the entire 2014 draft for Mariotta?
Not enough to get there, but yes, probably.
Sure, provided we sign Maclin, Maxwell, Searcy, Justin Durant, Worilds, Brandon Marshall, James Carpenter, all in free agency….
As long as we don’t use future picks, I don’t mind if we come away with 10 guys or one.
If this 20-range turns out to be another draft with great depth and many options but without any one cant-miss guy, I smell another trade down. Depending on who falls, this could be the perfect draft to trade back and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd. However, with Howie out of the picture, I think Chip probably just takes his guy. Or maybe he moves up?
We’ll know on draft night! One some more scouting / mock drafting comes out as teams start to line up behind one guy vs. another for the first few rounds we’ll be able to really judge who is worth taking at 20 and/or any trade up / trade down possibilities.
I just don’t want a repeat of last year where we take a guy a round earlier than we should because we don’t have the stones to trade down a 2nd time.
I feel the same way. Of course, I haven’t given up on Marcus, and even if he doesnt pan out, hindsight is always perfect – not going to pretend I knew how things would turn out. But you got the feeling that last year their plan was to stay put, they had several guys they wanted at their spot. But as it happened, none of them was there (Im looking at you, Packers). And the trade down for Marcus was a plan B, not what they had really hoped for. The same thing happened later with the run on offensive linemen that forced them to go plan B, they already admitted that. This year I really hope they have the stones, as you say, to either trade up to get their guy or trade back far enough to pick up real value. I don’t have a preference, I just want them to be bold about it; get the elite talent or go after serious value. Reaching at the bottom of the first round in a draft with some elite prospects between 1-15 and great depth in the second round is just asking for trouble.
I love Marcus and took him in every simulated draft I could; in the 2nd round.
Smith II aside, I don’t think another OLB would be a bad move at all. Barwin isn’t likely to be getting another contract here after his current one expires.
Why not? He seems like the ultimate Chip Kelly guy and he is doing everything they need him to do.. (For the record I have no problem with OLB in the first, all I want is a players who can make a difference..)
Because he’ll be entering his aged 32 season for 2019, so I doubt he’ll be the same level of player for a long term deal……………………………….unless he wants to take a vet min deal for a year or two.
Yeah, the feeling sorta is that this draft did not pan out nearly how the FO thought or hoped it would. It seems as thought the reaction to it wasnt exactly what they hoped for either. Maybe this is one of the reasons or ammo Kelly used to get his spot and have Howie sent to another. Alot of people here point to 2012 and say Howie is good with the draft. By all accounts it sort of seemed like in 2012 everything just sort of fell in place for the birds, besides not getting Wilson. Im not sure if 2012 was so much as skill or just fall in your lap luck with how the draft turned out. Fletcher was predicted to go to us by Many mock drafts. Kendricks was to a lesser degree, and i remember Boykin was also by many mocks including our own Tommy.
So basically if the Defense Linemen, Defense backs, Line Backers and Kickers all have great Combine results there will be a chance that Mariota falls to #20…
ha ha ha ha ha. Mariota is a total catch-22; if he does things that cause him to fall to where we can get him it’ll highlight the reasons that would make you think he can’t be a good NFL QB.
All I want is the 8 best players out of this draft. Is that really so much to ask?
Not at all. I’d like the 10 best players because we traded down twice!
Deal.
Vic Beasley with a 4.53…
He fast.
Dude is jacked too. 35 reps on the bench.
Early favourite to become star of Sunday.
i expect McKinney to put on a show as a 6’4 ILB
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Bud Duprre
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Arik Armstead
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competition for biggest athletic freak of the day award…i really am pretty surprised to see Vic do so well in the strength department.. good for him… but I doubt we would want a bruce Irvin type for our defense in round 1
Trae Waynes – 186 pounds
Kevin Johnson – 188 pounds
Get both guys on a NFL strength program and they’ll be fine.
I assume Tommy meant “David” Johnson rather than “Davis.” In any case, Johnson would be an excellent addition to the RB corps.
RB, in and of itself, is an interesting mix of guys on our current roster. Shady won’t be here beyond his current contract, Sproles isn’t a guy who can carry the load, Polk might not be here for beyond this year due to his contract length and injury history, Tucker would need to improve to move beyond the practice squad, and Barner’s spot on the roster is Ducking BS that serves no real purpose.
Seems like adding a RB from this draft would be a wise move. If Abdullah’s 40 time drops him into the 3rd round, I’d love to see him on this roster.
I’d also love Johnson on this team with one of our 4th round picks if we go that way instead.
How did Randy Gregory shrink 2.5 inches and lose 10lbs after leaving Nebraska??????
Is there a super-villain out there shrinking draft prospects?
F Nebraka! What a bunch of lying scum.
he looked soft to me…. surely didnt look like Clowney some were comparing him to
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amazing how much things can change in 1 year. a year ago Clowney was one of the most highly rated prospects we have seen…a year later his stock is in the gutter, people worried that microfracture surgery will rob him of what made him special. a year ago the Texans got a cant miss gem, crazy of things unfold
Yeah, but he was really, really agile. Of course, when you weigh 20 pounds less than everyone else…
And when Jason Peters is 90lbs heavier than you and just as athletic; you’re getting owned all day!
That Fowler Jr. guy is wearing a golden watch. What a donut.
I’d love to see Fowler wearing that while lining up here at ROLB and b-slapping Will Beatty on his weak head with it as Fowler blows by him and ends Eli’s career.
Roger Goodell begs to differ.
He’s welcome to beg………………..but it shouldn’t save him from a beating.
So it’s his lucky gold watch apparently. Still a donut.
Party time fun w/ trade downs mock
Round 1 Pick 26 (BALT): Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Denzel Perryman, ILB/OLB, Miami (Fla.) (A-)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest (B+)
Round 2 Pick 26 (BALT): Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon (A-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Derron Smith, FS, Fresno State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B-)
Round 4 Pick 20: Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Kenny Bell, WR, Nebraska (C)
And w/o trade downs
Round 1 Pick 20: Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (B)
Round 2 Pick 20: Hauoli Kikaha, OLB/DE, Washington (B+)
Round 3 Pick 20: Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B-)
Round 4 Pick 20: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (B-)
Round 5 Pick 20: Clayton Geathers, SS, UCF (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Leterrius Walton, DT, Central Michigan (A-)
Round 7 Pick 20: Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi St. (B+)
i would draft ali Marpet just for his name… dude sounds like a bad ass Thai Kickboxer
Big and athletic guard who would improve leaps and bounds in our strength and conditioning program along with Stoudland’s coaching.
If we came out of this draft (not necessarily players) with the same picks you have in rounds 1-4, that would be awesome. 3 2nd rounders in a draft would be that next step toward dominant.
From your lips to God’s ears. I doubt we can actually do much more than pick up one extra 2nd rounder by trading down with a team with a hard on to move up, but I’ll take it.
I’m finding myself obsessed with a few guys in this draft that I keep trying to take over and over, but it boils down to me (foolishly) wanting to fill needs on this roster with multiple guys in the 2nd round.
wouldnt mind getting our 3rd 2nd round pick by trading next years first rounder for an extra 2nd rounder this year… If we handle our business in free agency, have a big draft and not have the worst injury luck imaginable next year, that pick we traded away should end up being in the #25 range, which basically means drafting a 2nd round grade and paying him on a round 1 contract…
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so I wouldnt mind getting a 2nd round two pick by trading back from #20, and then usenext years 1st to acquire our 3rd 2nd round pick….. then we can even trade back from one of the three 2nds, pick up a 3rd and we woulod have two 3rds, and we already have two 4ths,.
Giving up next year’s #1 only makes sense if you’re seeing next’s year’s schedule as soft, our free agent class as strong, and nobody playing like a vag down the stretch and laying down to Dallas and Washington again like gutless pukes – with us finishing 12-4 an 13-3.
also could end up with a few compensatory picks in next years draft…. but you are right, in order to consider that at the very least we have to have a strong free agent haul………last year we picked 22, this year we pick 20… cant imagine having worst injury luck than last year, and next years team should be better… could be a safe gamble expecting next years pick to be in 24-26 range. the friggin cowboys are even picking in that range, if we dont have a good year that turns our pick into a late first, we have much bigger problems than not having that first rounder lol cant miss the playoffs again
If Maclin is signed elsewhere for $12 mil / year and Graham leaves for $8 mil /year; yes, we’ll be getting a few comp pics.
We’d have to think it’d be in the #32 range, right?!?
Any chance Beasley falls into our lap?
doubt we would be interested. cant see them, spending the 20th pick on a kid that should struggle against the run, tho it is promosing to see him add the weight and carry it well at this combine, mayock makes a great point that Maybin couldnt perform with the added weight at all, but Beasly is carrying it well…
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we care too much about setting the edge, and our OLBs have to be able to stick their hand in the dirt and play 4-3 DE when we go to our 4 man lines on 3rd down… he is questionable against the run, probably shouldnt stick his hand in the dirt and leave him at OLB, and no experience dropping backwards, cant see why the eagles would pick him for our scheme…. tell you the truth, this is supposed to be a stacked OLB class but i dont really like any of them at the top… dont like gregory, ray or beasly… fowler and dupree the only ones Id really be interested in
devante Parker falling to 20 is a total pipe dream. i see no shot of that happening… but if he did, for me you dont pass on the chance to draft top 10 talent at #20… for me, he is every bit the prospect that White is…. then again, WR position is about to Boom, its going to start getting easy to draft WR, bet we start to see 10 quality WRs in every draft class going forward/ gone are the days where WR was a hard position to draft…. Its on its way to being devalued like the RB, because of the plethora of wr talent that is starting to flood each draft class
BPA BPA BPA BPA BPA
BPA doesnt really exist… its some crap NFL coaches and GMs figured out how to politely tell everyone, “we dont know who we are drafting” and if we do know, we wont tell you
I hear you, but I was just trying to underline that if an incredible talent drops in your lap…………….you draft it.
hell yeah. we have to be batshit crazy to pass on top 10 talent at 20… if the draft is allegedly this crap shoot, then id rather swing for the fences and bust on a special talent
Has rotoworld recently changed their FA rankings? Or why is Nate Allen ranked ahead of Searcy?
Allen’s agent must own stock in Rotoworld.
we all spent yesterday drooling over some high quality WR talent, but im not even sure we will ever spend first round picks outside of the trenches. some coaches believe strongly in keep dumping top picks into the trenches… while OL or DL isnt a sexy pick, you can never go wrong throwing another first round talent into the battle of the line of scrimmage..
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year 1 OL, year 2 OLB… 3 most valuied positions: QB, OL, OLB.. so far we have only spent 1st round picks on those positions. and i dont think we are so set in the trenches that chip isnt strongly considering dumping more round 1 talent into the trenches…
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this is probably what im most curious about… will chip spend a first round pick on WR’s? DBs?…. or will we see chip continue to use round 1 to get tougher up front?
Yes, you can go wrong throwing a 1st round pick into the trenches–when it’s Danny Watson, Broderick Bunkley, or who the heck was the guy who kept getting injured and got shot in the stomach once?
But overall, I agree with drafting big uglies. Just looks better when it works.
the McDougal jackass…
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you cant go wrong throwing a first round talent into the trenches, assuming you are picking a player that actually pans out, which the same can be said for any position or draft pick
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i hear you
wake me up when we get to the Main event aka Mr. Erik Kendricks and Bud Dupree
Yeah right.
https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/569289424032423936/photo/1
Time bomb. Jay Cutler level INT factory on the field and All-done Smith level repeat law violator off of the field.
Still take him over Mariotta.
I can’t agree. I wouldn’t overpay to move up for either, but Winston is a complete huckster on and off the field. His decision making is questionable, so I can’t invest in that type of guy.
Mariota, while trailing Winston in NFL readiness, can still be developed into more than what he is right now. And he doesn’t have the habit of chucking the ball to the other team far too often.
But in all likelihood neither is an Eagle come April 30th.
Just an not enamored with the handful of times I have seen Mariota in terms of what he did on intermediate/longer routes especially against better secondaries. Also wonder how he is going to fare against NFL caliber rushers both in terms of his pocket presence & just how effective he’ll be if he looks to run a fair amount.
Sure I can understand why the Bucs would draft him No 1 but he isn’t a guy I would give up the farm for either.
That really is the rub with Mariota; “haven’t seen him do it” vs. “not going to be able to do it.”
i would never draft any of these QBs if i had a shot at Leonard Williams
Still pisses me off Kelly didn’t start Barkley the last game, be indifferent if they lost, and finish 15th instead of 20th potentially. Now 2 or 3 of the guys they have been hinted at having some interest might be gone at 20.
yeah thats really a major major difference. there can be a pretty big jump between 15 and 20 talent, more than you would think considering its only 5 spots… I cant lie I would be giggling to be sitting at 15 in this draft, 20 is much more stressful….our luck, Barkley would have had the game of his life and we still beat the putrid giants SMH
Definitely especially from what I have seen projected in this draft. Moving up to 10 or 11th wouldn’t cost the Eagles an arm and a leg either if they really like someone. Just would have given them a lot more options it seems.
Frustrating to be picking later than one would like, but I understand why you don’t tank that game.
I thought it was almost entirely an ego thing on Kelly’s part after the team and coaching staff laid a complete egg in DC. It meant nothing to win that game except costing the team some real value in the draft.
Man, when I was saying before that game that we should start Barkley and lose for draft purposes, like 80% of the people here were against that. “Play to win”, blah blah blah.
Now that we’re into the draft process and people are recognizing that 3-5 slots is a significant difference.
You’re correct that most people weren’t into tanking that game. I was against that at the time and I’ll own that now.
My preference is to see winning beget winning as long as we’re not in a full rebuild.
watch Arik Armstead closely. if he falls to #20, thats the eagles first round pick… dont think chip can pass his talent at #20, especially with vinny currys uncertainty after this next season and Cedrick being RFA status
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if Arik falls to 20, i highly doubt there will be a talent available that chip would pass Armsteads upside on… then again, this assumes he has the freak performance today that i expect him to have…..I dont love his production yet, but he is one of those kids that if you can help get the light bulp to go on, you will have a serious talent battling for you…. Some have wanted to move him to LT but he has refused. His father is a big time sports agent, more NBA agent than NFL agent tho… his brothers are all athletic basketball players and Arik grew up as the most talented golden child of the armstead family… Once this kids game matures, he should become a heckuva player…
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if a team doesnt take him in the top 19, he might as well stand up on his table at in the middle of the draft, start flapping his wings and singing Fly Eagles Fly waiting for the Commissioner to call his name at #20
He’s a tad under-explosive for what I’d like as a first rounder. I think he’d be a long term upgrade over Thorton at DE, but I don’t know if I value 3-4 DE as a first round pick if the guy isn’t explosive as well as able to hook the OT and OG on a double team to free up the OLB to go get the ball carrier or the QB.
But being on 20 years old (as Mr. Lisp pointed out) means that he’s got a lot of room to grow. He could be 6’7″ and 320 of all muscle at 24 years old.
all true… but i have a feeling his explosion could surprise us… He is the bigger Talent, but the kid who plays harder and produces for Oregon is Defforest Buckner. I could absolutely see the Eagles take Armstead This year, and make sure we get DeFoorest next year, and Azzinaro would have Cox, and 3 Oregon boys in his rotation… I think Armstead the talent will be too much more chip to pass on if he falls to 20, and next year I think Defforrest will be too much the player and character for chip to pass on….
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good chance Armstead doesnt even make it to 20…so we’ll see. I wouldnt mind seeing him not have his best day today. he doesnt need to perform for chip to know what he brings
Nate Orchard just cost himself some big $. Ran 4.8 range 40 and has concerns about his ability to be tough vs. the run. If he’s a pass rush guy; 4.8 isn’t getting him drafted early.
I’m curious to see how Kikaha runs later on.
danny shelton is my wet dream
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for a 340lb college player to play 80% of the snaps this year when you dont see many NTs do that at all, is just jaw dropping. I hate that we cant have the kid
I had better not see him in Washington on NY either. I’m not trying to get into fights with all of the Kelce fluffers around here as our backfield is getting destroyed by Shelton twice a year.
You dont think Kelce is that good? Im not judging, nor do i want to argue about it. Im just curious of why thats your opinion and the reasoning behind it.
I think Kelce is very good. I just get angry that some folks have him on a Jim Otto level of praise when he is far too often pushed around by bigger D-linemen.
My problem is that I think he’s overrated by our fan base.
Gotcha. Yeah i agree larger Dlinemen may push him around due to the fact of his size which is inevitable. However that is also what makes him so good, his size and speed. I do have to say this though. His size may enable him to get pushed back, but the combo of his quickness, footwork, and technicals make it so even when he does get pushed back rarely the defender is able to disengage and make the sack.
my nightmare…. kecle is a damn good center, but i sure as hell dont want to see him have to deal with that type of size twice a year in our division..
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Leonard Williams is a freak. shame on the Bucs for not making him the top pick
He’s overrated. He’s inconsistent and best when allowed to one gap and attack. He’s not a real NT. He sucks against double teams and against the run game in general. Kelce would actually own him because smart teams ran E-W on him tired him out and also he doesn’t do a good job fighting off reach blocks.
He’s a nice flashy interior pocket pusher. Not a NT. He’s not Poe/Ngata/Wilfork.
Where do you think he gets picked?
7-15………… chicago probably the earliest
The Bears are switching to a 3-4, I could see him being the anchor of their new D
yup… good chance they break my heart
7 to Chicago to anchor a switch to a 3-4.
8 to Atlanta to anchor a switch to whatever Quinn calls his D
10 to the Rams just because it would be funny.
I want a player with at least one “special” quality at #20. Without seeing LBs and DBs yet this is my short list of guys I covet at 20 that have a somewhate realistic chance to be there.
1) Jalen Collins
2) Eli Harold
3) Dorial Green-Beckham
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4) Jake Fisher
Fisher should be able to be obtained later than that.
I’m not sure how special Harold is.
Dorial Green Beckham could be epic!
Jalen Collins might not need to be taken that early either.
Waiting to see his teammate Max Vales first. He should be just as athletic.
Strong chance. And I know it’s lazy to just look at a school and go “he sucks”; but UVA isn’t exactly a hotbed of football talent.
And their fraud basketball team shouldn’t be ranked ahead of Nova either.
Still mad about Jon Harris…
Yup.
Hence why Rutgers sucks; LJ Smith.
They put out NFl talent almost every year:
eugene monroe
Ras i dowling
oday obushi (i know that spelling is wring, but too lazy to look it up)
This year alone they have
Eli harold
Max valles
Anthony harris
think harris is high on eagles list of safeties
That’s all true, but significantly less important than the fact that none of those guys have ever helped the Eagles and Jon Harris. Jon Harris. Jon F-ing draft bust Harris. HARRIS!
Chip would love Jon Harris. 6’7″!!!
Right bc penn state has never had a nfl bust.
That’s easy to explain; poor NFL coaching due to mis-utilization of top talent.
Why not blame the coach that took him??? Harris was a very puzzling pick…..let’s be honest that pick was 100% stupid……Harris was not a draft bust…..it was our idiot coach that took him n the first round…..
their safety is in play for the Eagles
Fraud bball team? You are upset about rankings that don’t mean anything?
Philly, or any Philly connected team, should always be ranked ahead.
Not meaningless at all.
Media Mike max Valles is coming out after his sophomore year…..prepped a year….rumor is that he left becuase he was not going to be academically eligible this year….Eli Harold left because of family issues…..both are good players but should of stayed another year…..nova might beat UVA on a neutral court but they are not a fraud…
He is the guy I want if we miss out on Harold. Valle has huge upside. Probably more well rounded tha. harold, but less explosive.
I think Valles is more fluid. Valles can really move.
No doubt. He’s super raw, but sky is the limit. I just doubt he matched Harold’s insane 1.53 10 yard split
I agree on Fisher that’s why I left a big gap between the top 3 and him. I just think need/fit/athleticism/oregon could make him a good option. Ideally we’d trade down and pic him a few spots back if the other guys are gone.
Harold has a special burst. A Bruce Irvin/Von Miller level burst with good length. He also looked the best in space out of all the DEs. Better evern than gregory. I think he’s a top 15 guy, but could fall due to overall depth of pass rushers.
Eli Harold is not a first rounder……have you seen his tape form his JR. year against better OL?
I’ve seen his tape and he has big time first round traits. He has an elite get off. He has good length. He plays with a great motor. He is comfortable in space. Does he need to work on his pass rush moves? Sure. Most rookie pass rushers do. That can be coached. His elite traits cant be.
Guys thats were not super productive the year the entered the draft:
JJ Watt
JPP
Ziggy Ansah
Mingo
Special traits get guys drafted and are what translates to the NFL as long as that player is dedicated and coachable.
They haven’t won a football game in months. Bums.
Mike Klis of the Denver Post doesn’t expect the Broncos to re-sign free agent LG Orlando Franklin.
The salary Franklin will command in free agency should be out of Denver’s price range. Klis suggested Mike Iupati as a possible replacement though he might make more than Franklin this offseason. Either way, it sounds like Denver is going to have a hole to fill at left guard.-roto
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denver is going to suck. Id try to offer them our 2nd round pick for next years 1st, they should have a bad year and pick much lower than they think
FLY EAGLES FLY;
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The Texans have yet to open contract talks with free agent OLB Brooks Reed.
Reed, 27, is expected to test the open market. He’s managed just 14.5 sacks over four seasons, but has consistently graded out positively against the run. Reed is Rotoworld’s No. 13 free-agent edge defender.-roto
How do you view Reed? Do you see him coming here to compete for the ILB job or looking for him to challenge to start at OLB or depth signing? I like Reed alot I’m jus trying to gauge where he would line up for us.
I see him as an ILB that can take on Mecos role but Reed has better range.
both actually… casey mathews provided ILB and OLB depth. Brooks I view as a starting version of him, maybe the opposite of casey stylistically. where Casey is more ILB than OLB, Brooks is a little more OLB then ILB…. but with Mecos injury, he could see some snaps in the middle… but we will also definitely see him as part of the edge rush rotation if we were to sign him…
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i think he would be a real solid signing for us, but only if we will also sign a top edge rusher like McPhee, sheard, Worlids… If we are going to lose Cole and BG,. I want to see something like Barwin/Marcus and McPhee/Reed rotating in at edge rusher..
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if we are only going to sign 1 LB, id rather go with a pass rusher like McPhee or Worlids than Reed…. but I see value in signing both especially if we end up losing both Cole and BG
DGB didnt impress in his bench press or jumping measurements that tell how explosive he is… if Strong can solidify himself as the 4th Wr off the board, chance DGB is available at #20…
His arms also came in suprisingly short for his 6’5 height. I think the guy will be elite regardless of all of that.
I want us to draft him so bad because I would love a physically dominant WR, but the NFL is showing us corners and pass rushers help you win it all more so than an elite WR. I would be happy as hell if he was the pick, but I think the correct choice would be to grab a special CB/OLB if availble and grab a WR in round 2-3.
Strong had been looking good and put that with his college tape and you can see that he will be making highlight catches in the pros, alot of via collage catches were contested and he was still really good at what he does.
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DGB may have a chance to fall to us with White and Cooper solidifying themselves as the top wideouts. I’m trying to think of the teams ahead of us who has and would take a wideout.
san fran will lose crabtree,.. the browns have to pick a WR… andy reid is cuting all his WRs after none of them caught a single TD all year… Rams could use WR, Jets if they dont pick a QB…vikings will want to reunite Teddy with his high school WR amari Cooper…Giants could even pair one of these beasts with ODB
Danny Shelton is just owning these drills for a man of his size!..Looks like Chicago may have there first piece in there switch to the 3-4.
my wet dream… Logan…..Shelton…..Cox
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it kills me that we cant have him… would also help fill our lacking Samoan Quota, or Tongan they count too
What are you talking about? His numbers are terrible.
Any reminiscence of Poe og Ngata is overblown.
You sir are an absolute idiot if you think his numbers are terrible. Men of his size do not put up the numbers he’s putting up at the combine.
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You clearly no nothing because Shelton was already a better college player then Poe was at this stages of there career, and I never compared him to anybody let alone Ngata. Stop reading ESPN and try to form your own opinion before sounding stupid.
He is not owning the combine. He is having a nice combine.
I said nothing about Shelton as a player, only about Shelton as athletic freak.
no, you insinuited that because of a workout, comparing the player to Ngata is ridiculous…
yeah no idea why anyone realy cares about an NT #s… playing 80% of snaps for a friggin 340lb man speaks for itself… fuck i care how he runs in drills? i care about how he makes centers his Bitch!!!
My boy Bud Dupree had a 42 vertical 11’6″ broad jump at 269.
dayummmm
wow
Yeah, I think we all saw this coming. Another Kevin White type player that is gonna end up top-10 by the end of this process.
i dont even like gregory, ray, or beasley… ONLY OLB Id take over Dupree is Fowler
Fowler is going to be rude on QBs. He better wind up on an AFC team with don’t play that often.
yeah i can def seeing him be one of those monsters like JJ watt who dont just sack and hit QBs, they fuck their world up!!!
Dawson’s stock dropping like a rock.
Wow terrible for Paul Dawson. He looks fat and ran a slow 4.95. Doubt he will even be on ou board
His stock just got hit by Mike Tyson.
I can honestly see him going undrafted
Yup. It’s like another Vontaze Burflict case.
Ouch. So he’ll be a pro bowler for Cincy in a few years?
Diffrence is Burfict couldnt control his emotion on the field. Nobody questioned his passion. i think eeryone is questioning dawsons commitment
That along with the character concerns makes him a no go for us
half his body mass is in his ass and thighs.. not surpised he had like a 13inch verticle lol, barely made it off the floor.. dude was better off faking an injury and staying home
The man of the hour. Dupree ran 4.57
Stephone Anthony had a good time for his size. He might be a good mid round target for us.
Yup!
I’m not sure that he’ll make it to our 3rd round pick.
Mauldin might just be a 4-3 DE
That is going to put a few people here on suicide watch.
Erik Kendricks is 6014 and 232. So he is 2-3 inches taller than his brother, but also slower as he ran 4.64
That’s why I don’t see him as a first round pick. I’d love to add him at ILB, but I think a guy of his talents should be had in the 2nd round.
You have to think about it in context though. While a good 40 time is great, I.dont thinks its as important for ILB as it is safeties, CB etc. I think the most important thing for an ILB is explosion and quickness. Rarely would he be running 40 yards in a straight line.. Over rating 40 times is what got Darius Heyward Bay drafted way to early.
all of that being true, I still see taking Kendricks in the first round as a mistake.
I read alot of what you write and i can tell you are an educated football person. Therefore I think me and you are just going to respectively disagree on this.
Thank you. And we’ll see what shakes out.
I’m just a notorious tight wad when it comes to draft picks, salary cap, trade compensation.
I want it all my team’s way all the time. If I can get a great player in the first and a great ILB in the 2nd; that’s is how I want things to go.
Of course. Ideally you want to get him in the second, and a great player in the first. I just dont think that may happen while picking at 20. One of the penalties of having a decent record.
His10 yard split was simply average too.
With Mychal we can get by with JAG next to him. The only reason to spend an early pick on another ILB is if he is special. Give me Anthony or even Perryman in round 3 or 4 to groom for a year or two and consider the position resolved for the future
The smartest scouts and football people will tell you while the combine is important, you shouldnt overly base the prospects on that. What you really go by is their game tape, and I think Kendricks speaks for itself. All these times and measurments dont always show on the feild. If they did Momah would have been the next Calvin Johnson. Heyward Bey would be one of the biggest playmaking and downfeild threats on the feild today.
I think Kendricks is a really solid LBer. He has great instincts and plays the game the way I think Chip wants from all of his players. i just think athletically we cant take a guy like him in round 1.
There is a reason we great pucnhed in the mouth by teams like the seahawks and packers. They have better athletes tha we do. We nalready have a ton of solid guys. We need those explosive palyers tha can take games over by themselves.
Like Bobby Wagner? Kendricks is VERY simialar to him.
Which Kendricks?
Little Kendricks. I think Mychal is a bit more explosive then Wagner. Eric has alot of the same skill set Wagner has while being closer to his height then Mychal is. By many accounts while Eric isnt exactly as explosive as Mychal, he is the more technically sound and more polished one coming out of college.
I think you are taking this as me bashing Kendricks. I like him. I just dont think the drop off from him to a stephone anthony or denzel perryman is all that great. The drop off of the top CBs or OLB however is enormous. I also value ILB less than pretty much every position on defense. i think you need 1 stud which we already have. Inr order for me to want to invest in a ILBin the1st he needs to be special. Keuchly, Willis, Wagner type athletes.
Eli Harold + Stephone Anthony is a better choice than Kendrick + Nate Orchard/Lorenzo Mauldin.
We keep saykng it, but we need guys with spcial traits in the first. Its how the Seahawks and Ravens and Packers keep their rosters full of talent. Go find the guy tha does something ver few people can and he will be a match up nightmare. Keep drafting sold guys and we will nev compete with the elite teams.
Niw if Kendrickis there in the 2nd run to the podium with his name.
I dont think you are bashing Kendricks. I think me and you just have different opinions on how to make this D better. I understand he isnt a great LB prospect. I do think with his skill set, this scheme, and his brothers skill set, he could make this D better across the board. I know you think he would upgrade the defense, its just that you have a different view and a different value of him concerning the team.
4.6 is actually above average for ILBs.
And the average draft pick is made in the 4th round. So above average should fit him nicely into the 2nd round.
I wold be furious if we grabbed him in the 1st like some people want. kendricks is a nice player, but I want someone special in the 1st
There’s plenty of legitimate first round talent this year too. Culture fit and scheme might not agree though.
I think if you look at scheme fit he could be special for us. Maybe not so special for another team.
When you say above average do you mean his 40 times is higher therefore slower, or do you mean its faster then the average?
Faster then average. Any ILB that runs 4.5 or lower is really fast for the position.
Also just had a 38″ vert and a 10’4 broad jump
he got hurt and didnt make his second attempt. what drills did he miss alltogether?
Think 3 cone and short shuttle
I do not see Erik as a WILL at all. He is 100% a 4-3 MIKE or a 3-4 ILB.
I cant fathom why people are still stuck in year 1990 when it comes to LBs (not you, but a ton of ppl including Mayock). Erik Kendricks is the perfect modern day ILB in a 3-4.
i meant Paul Dawson who they kept raving about as a WIL before he laid an athletic egg…. .. you know im sold on Kendricks. sign me up. I dont need to see his pro day, i dont need to watch any more of his tape… Love to see us draft the kid…….
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it is amazing how some really smart people can be so behind the times…then again, we are still using stop watches at the combine in 2015 so i prob shouldnt be too surpised
Not to sound like a homer, but i heard he seemed to pull up a little bit. Aggravating something which may have slowed him down a bit.
he did, it kept him from running his second attempt
McKinney dropping down too.
I like this edmond robinson as a deep sleeper. He has crazy long arms
Shaq dropping now too
There is a guy with tape that should trump his combine.
I dont think he’s a good fit for us regardless.
I see him as the opposite of that. I think you find a way to fit him in and let him go make plays.
i like the kid, but i cant talk myself into thinking he is realistic for our defense and what we know about what our coaches value defensively.
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at the end of the day, he can always help us as a 3rd down cover LB, but round 1 is way too high to take a kid that the best you can count on him to do is play in our Nickel next to kendricks…. struggle to bet on another way we could possibly use him in our defense……..if you draft a LB in round 1 he has to be a sure fire 3 down player…. and at safety we practically look for former converted corners that can man cover on a WR,. hard to believe we would play a quasi LB at safety in our scheme.
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i like the kid alot, but dont spend time on him because i dont view him as realistic for the Eagles regardless of how much i admire him
My boy Valles is up!
holy shit that was bad
I feel bad I’m missing all of the LB stuff right now, but the Flyers are on!
valles had the weirdest running technique I’ve seen all weekend.
He is not on Eli Harold’s level.
I want Jalen Collins because I think he has everything we could look for in a corner and thats not easy to find. If he’s gone harold is now my dude
I wonder if he even prepared for the 40. That looked so awkward.
Is Collins really going to go in the top 20?
No he isnt. He is bad
How so?
He has some technique things to work on, but everyone knows he’s raw. He’s only started this season. Mayock called him the best CB in the draft just yesterday, so I know I’m not alone in my evaluation.
He is super raw and therefor is bad, therefor isnt going top 20
JPP, Eziekiel Ansah, Land Johnson, Dontari Poe, Barkevious Mingo, etc. all disagree.
He has elite upside and is coachable. Even being raw he still had a good year. He didnt give up many big plays and was maybe the bes defender on a talented LSU defense.
Quinton Rollins is even more raw and he’s being projectedin the first. He ability to play in the senior bowl boosted his stock. The combine will do the same for Collins. big guys like him are rarely that fluid and athletic. He can easily develope into a special CB
F JPP. One hit wonder / one trick pony.
He still went top 20. That was my point
He, along with all Giants players and fans, can die; that’s always my point.
nad none of them are CBs, you do not take super raw CBs in top 20.
Rollins has far better technique than Collins
The players listed above are all trench players and edge rushers. The things you draft in the first round are left tackles and edge rushers.
CB historically havent gone all that early in drafts, so I guess it’s hard for me to make that arguement. The priority on CBs is changing and we are seeig them go earlier and earlier.
Everyone has those players they believe in. Mine are Collins and Harold. I am also a big measurements guy. I want football players that have both length and elite explosive qualities. It is the coach’s job to get them prepared.
If I could get Eli Harold in round 1 and Collins in round 2 I wouldbe a happy guy.
Right on man. I get what you’re saying. My guy was Coated who obviously has drop problems. But now my guys are Strong and Drummond.
collins will be one of the top 3 Corners drafted.. going to be a real nice pro. no worries…..and i hate 90% of corner porospects
And isn’t Ziggy Ansah like 30 years old with one of them fake Freddy Adu style disorganized African birth certificates?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/17/report-teams-wonder-about-ansahs-age/
He’s awkward and while he may have upside I don’t see what everyone is so excited about besides his size. I don’t see the technique I don’t see the ball skills. I just see a big guy with a lot of work. It would be better to take an edge rusher or an OL at 20. Rollins have so much more potential and just started playing footbal. I wouldn’t take Rollins at 20 either but would do it before Collins.
While im nervouse about drafting a very raw player with your first pick, i.think there is a large difference between raw and bad. Raw could fall into any type of category in the future. Great, good, average, below average, and bad. Many good players came into this league being raw initially.
I wouldn’t say bad, just really sloppy with technique. He only started 10 games. He has the measurables just not the practice. He definitely isn’t going too 20. I would say late second.
sloppy technique = bad for me.
The CB I think people need to start paying more attention to is Kevin Johnson of Wake Forest.
Great player, terrible mayor, has a wife who should be pushed down a flight of steps.
Dude gained 13 pounds. I love Johnson but he will be a great #2 CB.
I really like him in the 2nd or 3rd round. He needs to add some weight, but is a starting caliber CB
Waynes is at 186 pounds
Johnson is at 188 pounds
They’ll easily get up to 195+ plus in a year.
dont think we would spend as high of a pick as it will take for a corner that lacks our ideal measurements… if they spend a top 50 pick on a corner, you can bet he will be special with the elite Height and length that we look for… i just think that if we are going to just settle on a 5’10 5’11 guy which goes against what our coaches look for we will feel like we can get a solid 5’10 guy later in the draft instead of draftinhg the Deomon Decon in the 30-50 range
Johnson measured at 6002(6 feet and 1/4 inches) at the combine. 188 pounds.
That is good height fo him. His should do fine in the drills.
I think one thing most fans overlook is arm length. Seattle for example has not drafted a CB under Carroll with anything under 32″ arms. That arm length helps them with press and shrinks those passing windows. Height + Armlength is more important than just height.
hell yeah… arm length is HUGE… Willing physical tackler is also important
Johnson’s arms measured 31″. CBs with longer than 32″ arms: Alex Carter, Jalen Collins, Byron Jones, Tye Smith. Quite a bit of the safeties have arms longer than 32″.
surprised… thanks. Trying to wait til they perform to dive into the measurements,… typically guys height is exaggerated.. i have seen that kid listed at 5’10-5’11 mostly, surprised that he is actually taller than what was said… pleasant surprise.. ill take as many unexpected extra options as we can get…. off the top of your head you know what Rollins measured in at?
http://walterfootball.com/combine2015DB.php
great link!
dBs have all been offically measured yesterday. They’re heights are corrects
disappointed with Rollins measurements
going to be the best corner drafted since desmond trufant… just watch
I have been waiting for you to chime in. I know you have like Collins for a while.
Go sign Maxwell and draft Collins and you have (2) long, physical corners for the next 5 years. Both guys over 6’1 and both have 32″+ arms. They will make it tough on QBs and WRs
i friggin hate most corner prospects. but he will grow into one of the good ones… cant start him as a rookie, but its really rare that i ever see a corner i want to start as a rookie… If Quintin Rollins can realize his full potential he can be really good too, but he comes with some bust potential so you really cant take him in round 1…. Collins is who id bet on growing into a quality NFL corner in a year or two… but I hope people undervalue him and big some other corners ahead of him…
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i am curious to see if his height, length and size are what LSU says it is… if he turns out to be like 5’11, ill be pissed
He was already measured. Over 6’1 and 32″+ arms.
NIIIIICE Thanks… Im half out of the loop… was traveling wed-fri
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Excited to catch the Corners n Safeties
collins is the best CB in this class. I think he’s a better prospect than Fuller was last year. He’s raw and that is the reason he may be around. However the guy is over 6’1 with 32″+ arms, he’s a good athlete that should time well, and will check all of the character boxes.
That’s interesting because I’m seeing Waynes, Peters, and Rollins all ahead of him in a ton of drafts and rankings, etc.
Every year there are late risers in the draft process. Where was Kyle Fuller this time last year. how about Lane Johnson 2 years ago at this stage.
This is Collins frst year as a starter. He didnt have the preseason hype that waynes and peters had. He wasnt expect to declare coming into the season, but had a great year. rollins was a 2-3 round pick until he got to the senior bowl. This will be Collins first chance to showcase himself. He’s crazy long, he’s athletic, and a smart guy. He will rise after the combine
even tho the results werent always there like when Amari Cooper ate him up… I thought his potential was always evident even if the results werent there… easily my favorite corner prospect.. of course Marcus Peters is the best, just checkout what he did against Jalen Strong… but Collins for me is a guy that can be developed into a high level corner, it just wont happen as a rookie. love him
will end up being the best corner prospect drafted since desmond trufant, when its all said and done
THERE ARE NO ATHLETIC LBS AFTER KENDRICKS, ANTHONY AND DUPREE THIS YEAR
How are you defining the term “athletic”?
Not Casey Matthews slow
okay. see where you’re going.
Might have to look for an ILB to groom behind Demeco elsewhere. These LBs are slow.
Anthony was 4.59.
Yeah, outside of Anthony. Was looking at Kendricks, Perryman, and Dawson.
I’m still good with Kendricks and Perryman based on game play, but don’t see any of the ILBs as a guy you’d draft @ 20.
i have seen too much tape of kendricks seeing NFL explosion and excellent instincts to have my opinion drastically changed by a work out… he wasnt just a finess LB, physical cat with an intensity to his game..
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i wouldnt be afraid to draft Dawson either because of his tape, but i would have preferred a better showing today for sure…
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what sucks is I bet you we will end up hearing their times at the pro days are drastically better.. I hate that!!! hate when im seeing big discrepancies in times
I want players that can cover and have the speed to match up. I’ll sacrifice in run-stopping ability. Our CBs and Nate Allen were obviously bad. However, how much of that is having to cover for lack of speed at 2 linebacker positions(Cole, Ryans/Matthews). We had to use one of our safeties too much in coverage areas that one of those positions would normally handle and had Allen trying to cover both sides of the field as a single-high safety. How many fewer big gains would we have given up if we could play both safeties covering half the field? If our run defense worsens, that’s okay. I’d much rather be gashed for a 10-yard run than give up a bomb.
kendricks can cover… he pulled up during his first attempt, clearlly tweaked something since he isnt running again… i always thought the difference in the athleticism of the two brothers was always overblown… he cant back that up today, he is done for the day. Could have been a chance to seperate himself from LBs who arent measuring well… then again, not looking too good today can be a blessing in disguise for us
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clearly a 3 down LB
Can he cover Antonio Gates?
Gates today, probably.
thats why i spent all last offseason begging the Eagles to draft Christian Kirksey, yet he is making the stinking browns look like they have a clue smh
Eagles showed pre-draft interest in Kirksey. Browns took him higher than I expected him to go.
3rd round steal.. kids going to be a good one…
It worries me when players time significantly slower than they should be. Either i’m thinking, whats going on and why do I see something different on tape or im thinking, how come this guy couldn’t prepare his technique for the combine, its not hard to improve you start, your stance etc. Kinda like when prospects get busted for weed at the combine. Motherfucker, you know they are gonna test you, pull you head out of your ass. It bothers me deeply how lightly some of these prospects take the whole pre-draft circus. Not saying any of this applies to Eric Kendricks, but a poor combine performance can tip the scales real quick.
while i definitely hear you… its not like a bunch of other ILBs dwarfed him today and jumped ahead of him…and its not like he was horrible like Paul Dawson who would have helped his NFL career more by faking an injury instead of showing up today and laying an athletic Egg…as for kendricks, I saw plenty of functioning speed on tape, the pick 6’s usually dont happen with out athleticism at LB….also we cant automatically assume that his pro day and work out times will match today. could be a bad day, could have came into today dinged up… Howie was at UCLA practice when we traveled to play the niners. Im sure we will give him a private work out and have another chance to see him at the pro day, if he ends up an eagle, hopefully today ends up being his poorest pre draft performance… tell you the truth, i dont mind if he under performs to the point he falls to us in round two, rather than put on a show and solidify himself as a kid who wont get out of round 1
A guy like Erik Kendricks was more than plenty fast.
did mayock just rap on the broadcast? did that really just happen?
kendricks isnt running again, clearly pulled up in the first attempt..wonder how much it effected his number?
Yes, he hasn’t been impressive. 5.10 40 with 1.76 10-yard split. 3 cone time of 7.57.
Henry Anderson of Stanford has performed a lot better.
position drills looked eh. but whatever, he’s good on tape.
thanks… blown away by how poor Dawson performed. If he was going to perform this bad, he was better off faking an injury and staying home….28inch verticle is horrible..i cant be too shocked with half of his body mass being made up of his ass and thighs but 28 is some stay home horrible type numbers… kid lost a ton of money today
bad combine means maybe he drops, pro day will be interesting
early candidate to become this years christian Jones.. start off with top prospect hype… end up falling drastically… he better not fail a drug test or he will go full christian and not get drafted
I trust his tape. But I think this might prove his character concerns a little. He did look a little out of shape. He’s a way better prospect than Jones.
his ass looks like it weighed atleast 180lbs. not shocked he could barely jump off the floor lol
For supposely been a great athlete, Dawson might have had the worst combine of all
Mauldin just looks like a beast
This guy has much better numbers;.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/marcus-smith?id=2543725
And neither has first round value.
How badly injured is Kikaha that he didn’t do anything at the combine?
Why didn’t Dupree bench? Or Shaq?
Scared or weak?
Maybe they have a small shoulder injury? Dupree has zero reasons to do the bench. Its pretty between him and Beasley for first edge rusher taken.
Mauldin was just violent on that poor bag boy lol
Leonard Williams is getting compared to Fletcher Cox…. thats how good our young beast is, that a top 3 pick is being compared to him… what a monster Cox has become. Cant wait til see him play in year 4, his grown man strength should be starting to kick in soon… dude just eats up blocks, sheds them, and shuts ish down!!! not to mention all the QBs he chased into the arms of our defenders
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people talk about giving away a ton for the QBs… Id give away some picks for another fletcher Cox in a heartbeat
Could you imagine cox and Williams together? One can dream right lol.
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Yo brotha did you see Bud Dupree tearing it up today? Would love it if he fell to us at 20. Honestly with all the pass rushers and olineman lighting it up the past couple of days I’m real confident that a very solid player will fall to us. Regardless of position BPA might be a great option this year.
yeah man, he is an absolute beast… Id take him over Gregory, Ray, basically Id take dupree over ever edge rusher except for Fowler, gotta go with a lorida Gator in memory of Howie 🙂 rip talent evaluator
I know I might be biased, but I 100% think Cox was better in college and he is also the far superior athlete
We need to get this CB from Clemson:
6014
202lbs
33-3/8” arm length
4.43
24 reps
33.0 vertical
124.0 broad jump
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=111271&draftyear=2015&genpos=CB
This guy? He’s kind of sucky.
I think he means this guy.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72974&draftyear=2008&genpos=CB
Shouldn’t that guy be busy killing himself right now?
I almost forgot how fast this guy was. Shame he didn’t know how to tackle.
or cover
No, I was talking about the Clemson Corner who was drafted by the Seahawks in 2011.
hehe Had a feeling you were talking about him
Nice.
What’s your guys opinions on Shaq Thompson. Personally I don’t know how to feel about him. On one hand he reminds me of a high character Tyran Mathieu not in size or style but in how he’s always around the ball making plays. also he reminds me of Kam Chancellor in how he can play as a hybrid safety linebacker. On the other hand he didnt test amazingly today at the combine and he doesn’t have a set position.
I feel that Wilt Thompson is better than Shaq Thompson but little idiots who don’t know their own johnson from a playstation controller think Shaq is better.
Not a fan. May be a good player for some team at some point. There are tweeners and then there is Shaq. Athletic freak, but where do you play him? He can do alot, but i dont think he can do anything good enough to say he could be a good starter at this position. Would get burnt at safety, and not big enough for LB. He could be a Chancellor, which i think is his best bet, but that role doesnt fit our system. Would be great if you could get him in rounds 3 or 4, but he will go somewhere at 1. Not going to invest a 1st for a player that doesnt fit your system and has no set position.
What you’re saying could very well be the case, but I find it vile that our DC is too stupid to pick out his best 11 players and come up with a system around that.
Ehhh, disagree to a degree. Where Davis is stupid is in game adjustments. He did a great job with the front 7. There are two types of ways to build a roster. One way is to get players based on BPA and use each player at what they are best at and fit it all in once scheme. If you get it to work then it works great. The other is Davis’s way. He has a specific plan for his defense. Each position has his requirments and he acquires players purely based on his vision and has them execute exactly according to his plans. This concept requires more of a versatile type of player that is well rounded in all aspects. Hence the same type of safeties. The Barwin pickup and the Smith pick. Now if he gets the players he requires, this D also has the opportunity to be great. Of course both plans require good coaching and goid in game adjustments. Thats the part of Davis that scares me. Anyway, both plans can be very successful and both can fail. You may agree or disagree with the plan, but if done right it can be great. I think Davis’s method may take longer to put togther then the other. He has a good front 7. If he gets the personnel he wants for the secondary this year then he has no excuse for failure. I think the reason Chip hired him is because he has a grand plan for how he wants the D to look, and thats Chips way of thinking also.
I like how the guy plays and he might the type of guy you throw out there in the process of hybridizing your D; like how good DCs do it.
Preston Smith, 6-5, 271, 4.74 40, 1.63 10 yards split, 7.07 3-cone time.
That’s an insanely good 3-cone time for a guy that big.
The only DL that I see had a better 3-cone time is Vic Beasley. Smith’s 3-cone time matched the much smaller Eli Harold and Zach Wiegmann of Montana.
Smith is a guy both Tommy and Jimmy has talked about. Tommy said the Eagles might see him as an OLB for us and with that athleticism it might work.
OLB or potentially a Vinny Curry role if they let him leave in FA.
I see him more of a 3-4 DE, but with his atletisme and actually experience playing OLB, I wouldnt be suprised if we tried him at OLB first.
Remember we was rumored to really like Michael Johnson who is pretty much similar to Smith in size and everything
He looked very good today.
It still looks like there are several ILB prospects in this draft that we will have an opportunity to draft. Kendricks, McKinney, Anthony, etc. If the Eagles want a young ILB and think it is essential, they are out there. I think Anthony raised his stock a bit in terms of workout numbers. Did anybody see his drills?
Very very impressed with Anthony. Absolutely raised his stock with a good combine and his tape can back it up as well.
Although his tape shows no guarantees he can be a 3 down linebacker.
If someone like DGB is available at #20, is there any question that you take him?
With his history of production in college, is there?
Same question I ask people who blinded by his physical tools more then on field production. 2 years of college ball, last which by the way came 2 years ago, and best season he had 856 yards and 12 tds. That doesn’t scream 1st round pick to me.
All fair points.
And if the argument is that at No. 20, Kelly should (a) roll the dice on a guy with little experience or polish, then the argument that Kelly needs to (b) pick someone who’ll help Foles now is out the window, because of the argument that (c) don’t expect any production from a rookie.
You can’t make the first argument without disavowing the second.
2 successive 1st round picks that might not contribute on a team with holes
Exactly.
Might as well draft Hundley — since 1st Rd picks shouldn’t be expected to contribute anyway. Or so it’s been argued.
That’s not at all the argument.
The argument is that the players available lack huge ceilings.
Waynes won’t be there. Peters likely isn’t on the board. Rollins isn’t a day 1 starter.
There isn’t an ILB worth taking at 20.
None of the DL have talent that transcends the fact that it’s our deepest position.
At OLB Dupree, Gregory, and Fowler are likely all gone.
A Jaelen Strong at WR would be nice, but with Ertz, Celek, Matthews, Maclin, Huff, Sproles, Shady, how much of an improvement is he likely to make, especially in a very deep draft for WR.
OL is very much in play and likely the most likely position selected, however Clemmings and Sambraillo are raw, and may not beat out Todd. I’m not sure Flowers is a scheme fit, it’s probably too early to take Fisher.
So you’re not going to get a guy who changes the team, especially not in 2015.
On the other hand you have Hundley. I’ve watched all his tape, multiple times through. Is he a flawed prospect? Yep. But so are Mariotta and Jameis. Hundley can make every throw, he’s mobile, but is a quarterback who can run, not a running quarterback. He’s got a skill set and a familiarity with our concepts that would instantly make him a better option than any backup QB we could sign (http://www.thechipwagon.com/eagles/2015/02/why-brett-hundley-likes-chips-offense.html) and he has potential to be a top 5 player at the most important position in all sports, which Foles does not.
Yes, he takes alot of sacks and his pocket presence leaves alot to be desired, but Derek Carr went from the worst pocket presence I’ve ever seen to pretty respectable after 1 year of NFL coaching.
He accomplished all he did this year despite being surrounded by talent that was literally several times worse than Mountain West Runner-up Colorado State.
The “he’s a one look and run QB, who can’t read or manipulate defenses” is a bullshit narrative. Anyone claiming this is the case doesn’t watch tape.
Multiple reads:
USC tape: 2:40, 3:15, 4:00, 4:55, 5:35, 6:07, 7:33, 8:07
AZ tape: :30, 3:53,
Eye fakes:
Utah: 4:50 holds the safety before throwing perfect backshoulder
5:30 stares down the dig brings the corner up, hits the wheel route for long TD
6:55 looks at the strong side WR combination to hold the FS.
7:05 does the same thing this time hits receiver in stride for go-ahead TD
Zona
3:20 looks off free before throwing great 9 route.
6:05 checks his underneath receivers and shoulder fakes, in perfect collaboration with double move, goes over the top for TD.
6:50 again looks manipulates defense with staring down underneath routes and shoulder fakes before throwing deep for outside WR.
Don’t tell me he can’t make multiple reads or use his eyes to manipulate a defense. You’re either not watching tape or not paying attention.
Most of the people who say he cant make a read hasnt watched any of his tape close and have just build up a narritive around him
Your posts, hands down, always make the most sense. You have great stuff. However, this rant about the Eagles taking a qb doesn’t make sense to me. Some counter points.
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“Rollings isn’t a day 1 starter” — see last years number 1 draft pick. Eagles don’t care if he’s a day 1 starter.
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If this draft class is as bad as you’re saying, Eagles might as well as sell the farm and get Mariota.
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You do not have to be a top 5 qb win SB’s. Eli for 1. Is Wilson considered a top 5 qb? Debatable I guess. The list is long of none top 5 qb’s who’ve won.
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Foles may not be top 5, but sure can be top 10.
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If the Eagles address the defensive woes in FA and are drafting for the future/future, I don’t mind this pick – however, even with FA, they aren’t going to address defensive depth. I’d rather see a defensive young kid to develop.
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I’d be shocked if the Eagles go QB in this spot. I don’t think its the right move. Not with already have a QB that just may be in the top 10 already…..
ACV’s and Anon’s complaint was that for two years in a row a team with so many “holes’ woldn’t be starting year 1, hell I don’t care if the guy starts year 1. But you know damn well you’re going to hear the complaints.
It’s not a bad draft class. It’s a very deep class at alot of positions. It’s just not top heavy. Look at the 2011 draft. The top 10 or so made the pro bowl, but literally anybody taken after that is pretty average to shit. That’s a class that was top heavy but had no depth, this year isn’t top heavy but has a ton of depth. You likely won’t draft an all-pro but you could walk out with 2,3,4 guys who start for 7-10 years.
You don’t have to be a top 5 QB to win the superbowl, but almost every top 5 does(Fouts and Kelly probably the only exceptions). Top 10 types you need things to fall into place. Also the point is if Nick doesn’t take that next step and either a lower class QB or just a good backup type, you’re completely screwed. Because you still probably won 6,7,8 games, you’re not going to extend Nick, and you absolutely get forced into taking a QB because your QB depth chart is something like Ryan FItzpatrick, Matt Barkley, GJ Kinnie. Kelly may look at the class of QB’s next year and peace, which causes a whole roster rebuild. Even if he stays, going after one is going to be exorbiantly pricey for a guy who may or may not be as good.
To me Hundley > = chance of becoming a top 10 QB than foles does.
I shutter at the thought of Foles failing this year. I hope he takes the next step. Will be a long, long 2 years if Foles turns into a .500 qb. Good stuff d3fb, thanks.
Tough call. On talent alone, no doubt, but can understand if he’s off the board due to character issues.
The last 1st Rd WR with just 1 year’s production in college drafted in Rd 1 was Cordarrelle Patterson.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cordarrelle-patterson-1.html
Vikings, 2013 – 1st Rd, No. 29.
That pick hasn’t worked out well for Minnesota. Not in year 2 at least.
Patterson had 33 receptions for 384 yards and a TD last year, receiving. He hasn’t been that impressive.
I wonder what the intellect difference between the two guys is. Patterson, on multiple occasions, has been subjected to shot by Mike Zimmer over not being able to learn the playbook.
I think a part of the problems is Norv Turners offense not fitting Pattersons skill set at all
Yeah the domestic abuse is a huge red flag with the NFL’s crackdown of it.
I apologize in advance –
“Big people beat up little people.”
Huge red flags character wise, multiple off field incidents, considered a “problem child”.
Maybe the reward is worth the risk but he doesn’t sound like the Chippers cup of tea.
Greatest
Scout
Ever
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473233/article/scout-blasts-florida-state-qb-jameis-winstons-character
smart of him not to put his name on his comments. i guess big ben shouldn’t be in the league either?
Doesn’t diminish the validity of the statement however.
I wonder if this scout’s ever been right about anything in his life?
He is on this. F Winston.
By the way, this scout has no idea about the laws of thermodynamics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
Now THAT is a valid criticism.
We’re really dealing with the Winston corollary to Murphy’s Law. Anything wrong or illegal that one can do, Jameis will do.
MM:
Sweet shot . . . You’re right.
The scout should have gone with Murphy’s law.
I’d be more inclined to his criticism.
If we’re going to make sociological conclusions from scientific axioms; they need to be at least related in a proper manner. So I agree with you completely.
Wouldn’t it be hilariously ironic if Dez Bryant pulls a Joey Galloway on the Cowboys?!
To what type of Galloway stunt are you alluding?
Look up holdout 1999/2000. 😉
That’s quite aggressive! Although sitting out over $13 mil vs. a long term deal is rough.
We know how Dez Bryant ticks, don’t we?!
Jeff Ireland tried to find out! I hope he gets to interview rapist Winston.
Apparently Ireland apologized to Bryant for his abrasive questioning. Don’t think he’ll take that route again.
That’s a true shame, because that route of questioning would actually be more warranted in this case.
jeff ireland proved a great gm. the story’s gotta be a non story by now. i’d give them access to the police reports and tell them to keep it moving.
PFT.com lays out Bryant’s best (and probably only) counter-strategy.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/22/dez-bryant-should-play-the-franchise-tag-game-with-cowboys/
In a word, force the franchise tag, don’t sign it until after it’s clear no team will sign him to an offer sheet that Dallas can’t match for cap reasons (which costs two 1st Rd picks).
Looking at teams with enough cap space, it’s something Cleveland could afford and still have a 1st this year. (Other well-capped teams either have too many signing challenges or not enough talent to make that deal.)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/
I was reading that article but still had to draw comparisons with the Joey holdout. It would be funny since the Cowboys have given up 2 1st round picks for the Seahawks diva back then.
Or sign the tag and make a giant pain in the rear out of himself at all turns. As a result of the Eagles banning TO for the bulk f 2005, the league changed the in-house “conduct detrimental rules…..” to a 4 game max suspension that the team can level.
If I’m Dez, I sign that tag at the last possible minute as you said, come in like a tornado of nonsense (like screaming “CONTRACT” in the middle of team meetings or any time Jerry is talking, etc.
CONTRACT! Lol
What’s Dallas going to do if Dez chooses to act like a complete smacked rear end?
Probably bow down.
Once he gets the big deal he wants . . .
THEN he shouts contract in a crowded theater.
Not sure it’s Bryant’s best move to confirm the “anonymous” rumors about his off-field behavior that began circulating shortly after he rejected Dallas’s low-ball offer.
I can see that point, but it doesn’t change the fact that there would be a lot teams who would still sign him to a big deal.
Lots of team passed on him in the 2010 draft — despite great college production — for generally comparable reasons that should push DGB out of Rd 1 (since he has just 1 year of college production).
His agent — and Michael Irvin — would beg him to just shut up and maximize his market. Get those teams who passed on him to show their regret with offers. Drive up the price.
That would be the smart move.
This sounds like “logic” as opposed to “stuff that will embarrass and harm Dallas.”
My bad.
How ’bout this . . . expect MLB Shaun Lee to be injured AGAIN next season.
Followed by; “Cowboys let Murray walk, and trade for Adrian Peterson……who promptly gets suspended for the year for his new product endorsement; the Texas discipline stick!”
lol too good.
I thought that was already a non needed to say garuntee every year. I start to feel bad for him and then its mitigated by who he plays for.
Two very good things could come out of Dez getting tagged: first it is a big cap hit against Dallas this year, and 2) Dez is proud (“Don’t test my loyalty”), and he just might let his 12 million dollar insult affect his relationship with Jerry. Jones has worked hard to cultivate a close relationship with Bryant, and this could definitely undermine it. Troubled times in Big D – I’m up for it.
And the actor goes to….lol
Paul Dawson.
Howie Roseman