Chip Kelly and His Wideouts

Posted: March 23rd, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 233 Comments »

Wide receiver has been an interesting position for the Eagles ever since Andy Reid took over as coach in 1999. He made some interesting choices, from Na Brown to Freddie Mitchell to Terrell Owens to Hank Baskett to DeSean Jackson. Chip Kelly took over a couple of years ago and we’re still trying to figure out his thinking at WR.

Jeff McLane wrote an interesting piece on the subject. I can’t quote a snippet or two because you need to read the whole thing. I don’t want to take anything out of context.

McLane hints that Kelly may not value WR as much as other coaches, but does point out that Kelly was willing to pay almost $10M per year to Jeremy Maclin. He was trying to come away with a conclusion, but there really isn’t one to be had.

Kelly values “his guys”. DeSean Jackson wasn’t one and therefore he’s gone. I’m pretty sure that would have been the case at any position and not just WR. Kelly liked Maclin a lot. Mac is a very good player and a high character guy. You can hand him big money and trust him to do the right thing. Kelly very much wanted to re-sign Mac. But there was a financial line in the sand that got crossed and Kelly wouldn’t go there. I’d hardly read anything into that about devaluing WR.

Last year the Eagles were very interested in drafting Brandin Cooks. They may have even tried to trade up to get him. When the Eagles were on the clock, Kelly wanted to draft Jordan Matthews. Howie Roseman told Kelly they could wait until the 2nd round and get him. The Eagles ended up trading up in the 2nd round to make sure they didn’t miss him.

Kelly values WRs.

Seattle played in the Super Bowl with nothing but UDFA receivers. That’s a team that is willing to build a cheap WR corps.

Kelly will spend money…on his guys. McLane’s article is dead on the money when he talks about some of the things Kelly does value in a WR. Blocking isn’t an option. It is a necessity. Running crisp routes at full speed even when the ball isn’t coming to you is a necessity. Stats are part of the evaluation, but tape study is critical to see who played the way Kelly wants on an every-down basis.

The WR choices this offseason weren’t ideal for someone like Kelly. All the available guys had one issue or another. From Bowe to Crabtree to Harvin, all of them had something about them that made you not want to pay them big money. Mac was the one clean guy. Unfortunately, Andy Reid was willing to overpay for him. A few years of Dwayne Bowe will do that to you.

I still think the Eagles could sign a veteran WR to a cheap deal. If you don’t like how the guy fits in, you can cut him. And I do expect the Eagles to spend a couple of draft picks on receivers. Maybe one early and one late. Or maybe both mid-round picks. Heck, could be a pair of early picks.

Kelly can look at the WR depth chart and see that he needs help. He will go get some more talented pieces for Sam Bradford to throw the ball to.

We still don’t know exactly what Kelly wants in his WRs from a size/speed standpoint.

He said Odell Beckham Jr. (5-11, 198) was his personal favorite last year. They loved Cooks (5-10, 189). They drafted Matthews (6-3, 212) and Josh Huff (5-11, 206). Kelly still likes Riley Cooper (6-3, 215) a lot. We have this notion of Kelly coveting monster WRs, but I think he’s more open-minded than most realize. He wants guys that can get open and catch the ball. He wants guys that are tough and physical, but they don’t have to be huge. I don’t think you’ll ever have to worry about Todd Pinkston coming out of retirement to play for Kelly.

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out in the next couple of months.

233 Comments on “Chip Kelly and His Wideouts”

1 mksp said at 11:40 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
I thought we collectively solved this problem for Chip already?
Nelson Agholor in the 2nd.
Chris Conley in the 4th.
Done and done.
2 Alistair Middlemiss said at 11:51 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
I am on board
3 ceedubya9 said at 1:34 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
A solid guy and a huge upside guy. I like.
4 Sean Stott said at 1:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Really don’t see Conley lasting long on Day 2. No way he makes Day 3.
5 D3FB said at 5:38 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Kenny Bell and I disapprove
6 Weapon Y said at 11:44 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
To go cheap with receivers like Seattle, you need a QB who can extend plays to give receivers extra time to get open. That is not Sam Bradford. Unless the Eagles get another QB (isn’t there some kid in the draft from Oregon?), Chip needs to use premium resources on receivers.
7 TheMeta88 said at 11:50 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
Not necessarily. Great blocking helps. Nick Foles had all the time in the world in 2013. Struggled in 2014 when under pressure.
That’s why a lot of people are saying we need to upgrade the offensive line more than anything. Helps the run game and passing game.
8 Weapon Y said at 11:57 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
OL needs improvement regardless of who the QB is. If you put Bradford in Seattle, no way are the Seahawks going to back to back Super Bowls. Their receivers take forever to get open and their OL is so-so. He would never extend plays the way Wilson can.
Not to mention the Eagles happened to have a guy by the name of DeSean Jackson in 2013. Without him, you really think Foles’s numbers would be anywhere close to what they were?
9 James said at 3:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You up-voted yourself? FAIL.
10 Mark F said at 3:14 PM on March 24th, 2015:
That’s worse than liking your own FB posts.
11 Mark F said at 3:14 PM on March 24th, 2015:
Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see us go OL early.
12 livingonapear said at 12:24 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Or you needa QB Who Can spot and hit an open receiver.
Anyone who Was Studying and posting on All-22 footage basically said the same thing:
If Foles just would hit the wide open receivers, the games would be over at halftime.
My guess is that Kelly believes the same thing , believes that his system can get even mediocre receivers open, and just wants a QB that can take advantage of that.
13 evanwins said at 1:12 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree with you and strongly disagree that “you need a QB who can extend plays so that your receivers can get open”, I think that’s utterly ridiculous. Sometimes receivers are open immediately or they get open for a short time after the snap and that’s when you have to hit them.
All a QB has to do is be decisive when he gets the chance or anticipates getting the chance and that’s exactly where it went wrong for Foles in 2014.
14 Weapon Y said at 1:39 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Kelly is wrong if he thinks mediocre receivers can get open enough. Riley Cooper was almost never open last year. Maclin, by far the best receiver is gone. Huff didn’t show anything last year to stand out. Matthews is the only good receiver left, so the defense can just focus on taking him away as an option. Do you really have confidence that Riley Cooper and Josh Huff are going to be open all the time? I don’t.
15 Mitchell said at 2:03 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Both good and bad, Huff stood out very much last year.
16 Brendan Ekstrom said at 4:50 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree. unfortunately Maclin was the receiver that was open most of the time. Remains to be seen if it’s because of play design or his ability.
17 Sean Stott said at 2:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Tell that to Tom Brady.
18 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:22 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I was watching a replay of super Bowl 13. While praise and honour were poured out on Staubach’s head, I couldn’t help but notice how much time the hated Cryboys’ offensive line was giving him in the 4th quarter. They were blocking the Steel Curtain for 3, 4, 5 seconds at a time! Btw, I despise the Cryboys, but it emphasized how important the O line can be. doesn’t matter who the QB is if he isn’t getting protection.
19 TheMeta88 said at 11:48 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
Desean Jackson is 5’10” 178.
Chip Kelly is on record saying that weight factors more into it than anything.
Beckham is almost 200. Cooks is 10 pounds heavier than Jackson and much much stronger. Huff is 206.
Wide receiver really isn’t that much of a mystery.
More importantly is that character trumps all. Cooks was a great guy on and off the field. You got the Saints saying the only two people they won’t trade are Brees and Cooks. That should tell you something.
Beckham loves to play the game of football.
Matthews has a ridiculous work ethic and drive to be great.
Mark Saltveit noted that as the Eagles drafted measurables were given up before character was. Earl Wolff and Jaylen Watkins are great examples. High character guys that technically don’t fit into the criteria.
Listen to this
https://youtu.be/0ZhbHs90oz0
No surprise why the Eagles have been all over this guy this off-season.
20 Dave said at 12:14 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Desean was 169 at the combine and is more likely closer to a 165 lb playing weight. Cooks has 20 to 25 lbs of muscle over Desean. I agree weight is a factor.
21 TheMeta88 said at 8:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
For what it’s worth 178 is his listed weight on the Redskins official website.
22 Kelce's Beard said at 12:37 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
very astute, and IMO accurate
23 TheMeta88 said at 8:08 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Thank you. I love Chip Kelly. I’ve read the Tao of Chip Kelly and have Mark Saltveit followed on Twitter. Which is where I got the nugget about Character>measurables.
On top of that I try to watch every single press conference he does. Just love listening to the man. If the media actually bothered to LISTEN then they would know he is telling them everything they are looking for.
24 James said at 1:10 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
High character guy and down-field threat? Yes please.
25 fran35 said at 1:25 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Wow. This kid is instantly likeable.
26 CrackSammich said at 11:48 AM on March 23rd, 2015:
So much ink on what Kelly wants, both in articles and in the comments. It’s probably about time to admit that nobody really knows.
27 bdbd20 said at 12:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You are correct when talking about player measurables.
The point Jeff made about selflessness is great. The guy that scores is celebrated. The guy that blocks downfield or runs a great route to draw the safety is never seen on TV.
28 xmbk said at 12:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Exactly, too much oversimplifying. Nothing wrong with filling downtime in the offseason trying to make sense of stuff. But so much of the uproar over his moves come from people wanting black & white answers to a technicolor coach – and not just Stephen Smith.
29 bdbd20 said at 12:03 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Great writing by Jeff.
I’d love to see DGB slip to the late 2nd or early 3rd. Matthews, DGB, and Ertz would be very nice in the red-zone.
30 Mr. Magee said at 12:08 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I’m not so sure that “Kelly likes Riley Cooper a lot.”
Speaking of Cooper, I would love to see a rationalization of his career performance. I’m not sure it can even be done. How did he have such a productive season in 2013? There is no easy explanation (which is probably why none of the writers have attempted it). Early on I was not impressed – not only did he not have great speed / elusiveness, he also did not appear to use his body well. Then he makes all sorts of plays before going back to being invisible. I don’t know, maybe it was PEDs, lol.
As for Huff, I know he may have been drafted too early and didn’t do much last year, but I love his physicality and I’m holding out hope that the Eagle’s can make him into a threat – whether that be in the slot or the outside.
31 Bert's Bells said at 12:32 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
To me, Huff showed more in his flawed rookie campaign than Cooper has in his whole career.
Huff has a lot of bad moments, but he had several pretty good ones too.
I don’t expect Cooper to perform any better than a solid #4 WR. A good back up. Huff, at worst, could be a solid #3.
32 Avery Greene said at 12:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
That catch/reception vs. Dallas is what I expect to see more of this year.
33 xmbk said at 12:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Don’t understand how people can’t see potential in Huff, esp in this system.
34 gherbox said at 1:02 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think Huff was just trying too hard, trying to force things and prove he was Chip Kelly’s guy. I see him calming down in year two and letting things happen.
35 anon said at 1:02 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
looked great on returns and running through contact. glad him and jmatt are roommates.
36 evanwins said at 1:16 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I gotta agree. It seemed like he was nervous – definitely not relaxed and calm. Hopefully he sorts it out.
Chip and co. Really seem to believe in him and they see him every day so…
37 fran35 said at 1:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree about Huff. I think he showed flashes last year and may turn out to be great, but it is risky to count him as a starter now. As for his mistakes last year, I kind of felt bad for the kid. He truly was snakebitten. He just kept making mistakes and after awhile he seemed really down. Some of the mistakes were his fault, but others were bad luck and som were just simply him pressing.
38 botto said at 1:29 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
huff is going to wreck people this year.
quick passes from Sammy boy and off to the races….
39 anon said at 1:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
his name is marcus
40 botto said at 1:34 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
not on this team, his name is Samuel.
41 James Skip Carl said at 6:49 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
He actually has better measurables than Antonio brown, hopefully he can make that jump, same type player. I could totally see him kicking the kicker in the face
42 Dominik said at 12:21 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Sorry for the re-post from the last thread, because it’s a little bit OT, and thanks to GEagle who gave his opinion in the last thread. But since I’d like to hear a few opinions more, I re-post in here:
At the people who know better than I do: why is Armstead rated so
highly? As if, “he’d be an option IF he would fall to 20” high. I watched not a lot, but some Oregon games (since they are a team to root for as an Eagles and Kelly fan) and he never impressed me, not even a little.
I’m not an expert, so I won’t pretend to being able to fairly evaluate the player. If we’re talking D-Line in round 1 (and especially for us, with depth at the position and huge needs at others),I would expect to see at least some dominance in College. Now, maybe I didn’t see dominance because my eyes aren’t good or because I watched the wrong games, therefore my question again to those who know better: what makes him a top 10-15 pick?
43 OregonDucker said at 12:50 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I don’t like Armstead either. He tends to get injured a lot and resisted the DL coach on technique at first. Admittedly, I tend to see the negative in his play which by all accounts is quite good.
I hope Chip goes WR or OL rather than Armstead.
44 Dominik said at 3:53 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Thanks! You may tend to see the negative, but you see all of his games and therefore have a better foundation to judge him.
Injured a lot seems to be something Chip likes 😉 – altough, Armstead is injured WHILE he received sport science treatment and all of that. Maybe that’s a turn off for Chip. Resisting to technique coaching seems like something Chip doesn’t tolerate – at all.
45 James Skip Carl said at 6:54 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree, I like guys who make plays and to me he was invisible, kind of like Clowney, I wouldnt have picked him in the 2nd round. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane
46 Mike Cappelli said at 12:45 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I am constantly worrying about Todd Pinkston coming out of retirement to play for the Eagles. It keeps me awake at night.
47 Ben said at 1:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Oh, you didn’t hear about the Freddie Mitchell sighting at Novacare?
48 pjcostello said at 3:27 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
He was mopping up the floor.
49 laeagle said at 4:28 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I heard that was just his hands, not the whole Freddie.
50 anon said at 12:51 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Ex-NFL S Darren Sharper plead guilty to sexual assault and attempted sexual assault in Arizona. Sharper’s plea comes with nine years in prison and lifetime probation, stemming from drugging women before sexually assaulting them.
that’s what i call a happy ending.
51 Ben said at 1:08 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Why is it that players think they need to do these stupid things?
This guy had the life and blew it over some trim.
What a Maroon !!!
52 anon said at 1:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
yeah and bob durst is a serial killer – they say money just makes you more of who you are. he was just a bad dude.
it was more than just the trim he liked i’m guessing.
53 GEAGLE said at 2:49 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
he clearly didnt blow his life over some “yams”… getting some (INSERT favorite name for Vag) is not a problem for this man. Woman grow on trees in his world… the fact that he did this means that He GETS OFF on being a predator.regular sex probably does nothing for him, and he is sexually fullfilled by preying on these womans which makes him despicable and I hope they prey on him in Gen Pop
54 anon said at 2:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
yup
55 fran35 said at 3:43 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
This. I find it annoying when people automatically question why someone would blow everything over getting laid. For Sharper, it is not about a “desperate guy” just trying to get laid. He is a violent predator.
56 GEAGLE said at 4:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
yup.. the sick bastard type that belongs on “criminal minds”….. he probably cant even get off from regular sex any more… sick bastard gets off on being a predator
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well, its a LOCK that Law and order SVU will make an episode about this
57 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:28 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think you mean he did stupid things that caused harm to other human beings.
58 sonofdman said at 3:18 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Nine years is nowhere near enough.
59 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Plea bargaining reducing the sentence in order to save further damage to his human victims and make some jail time a sure thing.
60 Ben said at 1:04 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think Kelly is more concerned about getting players that are willing to give 100% effort on each and every play, no matter if they are getting the ball or not.
His philosophy of selling out on each play is expected, as the reasoning behind it makes sense.
If the defense is convinced the ball is going to a certain player, they can key in on said player.
Now if your receiver is running his route like he’s getting the ball on every down, it leaves the defense at a disadvantage as opposed to when DJax would take a few steps and just stand there like an idiot.
If he would have sold his route to the defense, the play would have an increased chance of success.
Just my uneducated guess, I could be wrong.
61 Avery Greene said at 1:08 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think this sums up why CK got rid of DJax. We all know how CK wants his receivers to block, and DJax doesn’t like to do it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/10/15/chris-cooley-says-desean-jackson-doesnt-try-to-block-anybody/
62 EagleNebula said at 1:14 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Yes deception is part of it, but not the whole reason why value is placed on playing every play hard. At the heart of the matter is taking short cuts. Just like the story about walking on the grass or the style of practice, Kelly wants his players and team to dedicate themselves to doing everything correctly. If you build a foundation on executing properly, results will follow.
63 bluto said at 1:35 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Not to be snarky, but can anyone tell me what the take-away from this post is? It seems to be, after three reads, we don’t know what the Eagles will do at WR, and read another article for more on this subject.
I’d love to get more “read between the lines” posts that leverage either the author’s scouting thoughts or what he’s hearing from the Eagles themselves.
64 76mustang said at 1:43 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
In fairness to Tommy, this blog is a passion, not a full-time paying gig. He works a full-time job. Many of his posts are made to facilitate the ongoing intelligent discussion of the Eagles amongst passionate fans. Thankfully, Tommy is not a click-baiter, and most participants on this blog provide insightful and intelligent commentary.
Tommy does provide scouting analysis when he’s actually been able to do the work necessary, and as for the Eagles’ having anything relevant to share at this stage in the process is only wishful thinking – why would any team tip their hand regarding draft/FA plans?
65 Alistair Middlemiss said at 2:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think the point Tommy is trying to make is we cannot know at this stage – after the draft we may know more but Chip is more interested in #culture and ability than anything else. So if there was DeSean in this draft with clean #culture he could well draft him and he has proven he can make that work.
66 Nailed it! said at 2:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Wait it took you three reads to come to this conclusion…. Bravo sir
67 Dan said at 4:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Not every topic he writes about is giving you an answer, some topics he writes about are more about the comments and community. This is just a topic sound off to get people talking about what their thoughts are on the WR situation. There are smart people on this blog that give insights into things I haven’t begun to think about making me a smarter fan from reading it.
68 bluto said at 4:40 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
i don’t look for an answer in every post. But I do look for thoughts or points. I like most of Tommy’s posts, this one seemed oddly vacant.
69 anon said at 5:20 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
it happens, but kelly also isn’t that predictable, i’m not sure what you really wanted him to say.
70 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The Eagles and 31 other teams, prefer to keep their plans to themselves, I believe.
71 GEAGLE said at 2:44 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
kind of weird to see a coach or GM have a press conference and openly admit that we will be drafting a WR in the upcoming draft the way chip did when asked about the WR position…
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We lost Maclin and Brad Smith so we are down 2 bodies, 3 if we ever plan on upgrading Maehl and Coop should be gone next year so our WR position is still in transition the next two year, so i probably wouldnt be surprised to us draft 2 WR’s again like last year…
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1) Need a well rounded starting Caliber outside WR to replace Maclin
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2) need a WR who can be a big time ST player and a sort of gadget player in our WR corp . makes alot of sense to take someone like Ty Montgomery in round 5, who doesnt bring much as an actual WR, but has a chance to be an elite return man, and beast of a ST player, who on offense we can use like Percy Harvin, jet sweeps, reverses, quick hitters get the ball in his hands and get Yac… too unpolished in his route running, and Questionable hands to view him as one of our eventual top 3 WR… but he could be a real ST addition and he has lined up in the slot, outside, HB and as a wildcat QB so we can pencil him in for a Gadget role like we did with Brad Smith…
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3) wouldnt mind drafting one of the Raw BIG WR’s to start and develop and eventually have a shot at replacing Coop as our jump ball WR. Next year we can give them a small Redzone role, back shoulder throws, and fades. Jump Ball opportunities until we develop the rest of the WR game… someone like Darren Waller if he fell out of the top 100…i like Waller because for a RAW WR he already plays Big, he goes up and competes for jump balls using his height, after Boxing out WRs, and for a 6’6 unpolished WR he seems to be already good at getting both feet down inbounds on the tough sideline throws..could use his red zone threat, and Jump ball ability while we grow the unpolished aspects of his game
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everyone loves the conley kid as a talented piece of clay for Chip to mold.
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this is a pretty solid WR draft, curious to see who chip chooses out of a nice pool of talent.
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Still hoping the Vikings get a stud WR and Flip us Cordarrel
72 anon said at 2:48 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
100% need a possession guy and a red zone guy. silly we’re paying two rbs could have just drafted one.
73 James said at 3:05 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
There are only so many resources to allocate. We filled the RB with proven talent that were of the few FA talents on the market. It was clear the FA WR market was crap and that Chip can use the few resources in the draft to get a WR
74 botto said at 3:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
the top 2 out of the shot gun no less
75 anon said at 3:10 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
yeah i mean mathews will only make 6-8 games a year
76 sonofdman said at 3:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think J. Mathews will be a very good possession wr and a good red zone threat.
77 botto said at 3:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
he better be.
and he should be for sure
78 GEAGLE said at 3:35 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
rather keep him in the slot tho
79 anon said at 5:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
unclear how he would have fared against outside corners. def a mismitch against a slot cb or a safety.
80 James Skip Carl said at 7:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
It seems like Chip doesn’t want to draft protects, I wish he would (Martavious Bryant) last year, but it seems like he wants NFL ready players. That’s why he’s so upset with your boy Marcus darling
81 GEAGLE said at 2:45 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
wow, didnt realize Darren Sharper pled guilty, which comes with a 9yr sentence….most have tons of evidence against him to make a guy who has money to afford good lawyers plead guilty and concede to a 9yr sentence…
82 sonofdman said at 3:15 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
He only got 9 years? Even for a plea, that seems like a very light sentence. Unbelievable.
83 anon said at 3:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
he was paying his lawyers and got 9years plus life probation. probably realized how much it cost for a defense.
84 pjcostello said at 3:29 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
He got nine years in ONE state. Three more to go.
85 GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
he agreed to 20 in Louisianna
86 GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
nevermind
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Ex-NFL S Darren Sharper has agreed to 20 years in prison as part of a plea deal on rape charges in New Orleans.
There was outrage after Sharper got off with only nine years in Arizona, but it appears Louisiana will hand down the stiffest sentence of the four states where Sharper has pled guilty to drugging and raping women. He’ll serve his various sentences concurrently instead of consecutively, meaning he could get out of jail in 20 years.-roto
87 anon said at 5:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
maybe 10-12 with good behaviour. damn i guess he got what he deserved. now if they could only get bill cosby for the 30 chicks he “cosbied” over the last 30 years.
88 Mitchell said at 2:57 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I just watched the only tape of Agholor on DBD. Its funny because he actually looks like a combination of Maclin and Jackson. Remember how Desean had kind of a “wild” way of running? I think Nelson has a similar style. It makes him seem unpredictable and crazy but I love it. He has the body type of Maclin and all three of them have good hands. I’m not sure where Agholor goes though. I’m fairly certain he will be there with our second round pick. I think there will be several receivers to choose from in the second. Agholor, Coates, Smith, Perriman, Conley. While not having an elite trait, I think Nelson is fiercely competitive, plays ST (had a PR) and has good/great RAC ability. I think he is a fine pick. Consider him, Mitchell approved.
89 GEAGLE said at 3:02 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
national media is having a ball with shadys comments about chip making moves because of panic… people are nuts if they think that public outcry from ignorant media is going to effect chips decision making…. people have a serious inflated value of self worth when Chip probably laughs at their acumen
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shady sounds like an embarrassed girlfriend who just got dumped by the man she is obsessed with, so she goes right to her bag of pettyness and says he has a small, you know what….how predictable
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i dont know whats so panic about Losing Shady and now having Demarco and Kiko,….lol whats wrong shady? cant focus on your new great likfe as the RB for the buffalo bills? LOL
90 anon said at 3:04 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
i listened to his comments, media taking it too far.
91 Bert's Bells said at 3:10 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
And this just in from the WTF? department: “shady sounds like an embarrassed girlfriend who just got dumped by the man she is obsessed with, so she goes right to her bag of pettyness and says he has a small, you know what….”
92 mksp said at 5:26 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
GEAGLE can’t help framing everything in a simple-minded, hetero-normative, misogynistic context. The usual with him.
93 botto said at 5:47 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
hetero-normative.
you don’t read that every day
94 botto said at 3:27 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
that offense should be good for him, they have some good fast wr’s to take the heat off, unlike the eagles
95 GEAGLE said at 3:34 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
my guess is rex runs him to death, shady has one monster year and starts his decline…. but who knows
96 botto said at 3:41 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I would too.
it will be interesting to see how he runs now, hits the hole or cutonadime for a loss…
I really can’t wait to see our new Rb’s and how we move the chains this year. should be better.
need that o-line to go big time.
97 GENETiC-FREAK said at 4:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Who cares what the media says sheesh.. You keep saying you dont read or listen to the media but you keep mentioning them lol Fans are just as bad.. Shady speaks his mind n everyone thinks sour grapes.. Its like a lose lose if you speak the truth.. Anyone wonder why Beastmode Lynch doesnt speak to the media or give his short answers.. This is the reason why coz it will get twisted from the media n these so called fans.. Or would people rather listen to fake talk like the Rainmaker FOles.. Hes a Bill now move on
98 GEAGLE said at 3:58 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
oh geez… rumors that the Browns are the leading candidate to be on Hardknocks… thats all we need, Johnny on HBO smh….
99 anon said at 4:41 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
johnny will be a lost cause — spent the whole offseason in rehab, probably not studying playbook, obviously not spending all this time working out, etc. He’s obviously doing what is right for him, but none of the QBs on that roster are going to be it.
100 botto said at 4:41 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
at least he didn’t spend the offseason wasted, although his off season is wasted
101 Greg Richards said at 4:43 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Fine, if we must, Sam Bradford for 12 and 19.
102 GEAGLE said at 4:12 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
USA Today’s Jim Corbett reports the agent for Eagles LG Evan Mathis is “looking for a team fit” for Mathis at the NFL owners’ meetings.
Corbett confirms Mathis is on the trade block, and it sounds like the Eagles gave his agent — Drew Rosenhaus — permission to find a suitor. The Eagles appear to be resigned to moving on from Mathis despite his strong 2014 season. Mathis is going on age 34, but Philadelphia should be able to find a taker.-roto
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basically drafting Fisher to replace Herremans isnt enough.. hello Grasu!!!
103 Greg Richards said at 4:23 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think the same thing is going on as last year. Mathis and his agent cry about his contract with threat of asking to be traded, Eagles call their bluff and say “Fine, Drew, you shop him but you have to get us at least X in return.” Other teams say “We’re not giving up X for a 33/34 year old guard.” Mathis and his agent shut up.
104 anon said at 4:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Who is going to take a 34 yo old guard with 6 million price tag, who was just injured last season AND give up picks? please.
105 anon said at 4:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
People arent even trying to give up picks for djax. Maybe a player for player trade, but what old geeser would we want?
106 Greg Richards said at 4:34 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Exactly. I don’t think Eagles want to trade him. They’re just humoring Mathis and his agent by letting them shop for a trade and eventually when they realize they can’t get from another team what the Eagles are requiring they’ll quiet down.
That said, the Saints got a 5th round pick for a slightly younger but nowhere near as good Ben Grubbs. The Chiefs restructured Grubbs’ contract and I’m not sure exactly what he was scheduled to make in NO but it was similar to Mathis.
107 anon said at 4:39 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
last year we wanted a third for him. I think eagles will just make comp requirement too high. Makes me feel less sad for Mathis’ sad face on twitter since it’s his agent pushing it.
108 Greg Richards said at 4:41 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Totally unverified but some Miami fan who claims to know a guy who is a lower-level personnel guy with the Dolphins said the Eagles were asking for Dion Jordan and change for Mathis.
109 botto said at 4:42 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
ha
110 GEAGLE said at 5:50 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I wish…
111 GEAGLE said at 5:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
i dont know about that… i could see us wanting to get his salary off our payroll
112 GEAGLE said at 5:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
while i dont dispute any of that, im not sure we want his salary on our books this year… this could play out where if he cant find a trade, we ask him to take a paycut or release him…
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not really sure how we will play this if he cant find a trade, but I figure there were some moves still to come that would free up Cap..maybe we really want to shed his salary and get younger at both guard spots… Maybe we expect a guy Like Tobin to take over a starting spot so even if we lose both guards, we would still only need to draft one player….
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I dont like my odds of getting to see Mathis back for another year…
113 Greg Richards said at 5:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Net cap savings of cutting him is $4.5M. The cap room gained by releasing him is not worth losing him from the team. Especially when you consider we’re paying Ryans $6.9M and Celek $4.8M. If they need more cap room there are already better options to release/ask for pay cut than Mathis.
114 GEAGLE said at 5:42 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
you expect him back starting for another year? i sure hope so, im certainly not in any rush to lose one of the top Guards in the NFL when we already need a guard…. but i dont have much faith…could see them waiting to get younger on the OL now since this seems like the major offseason of transition…. dont think chip wants to have so much drastic change again next offseason….
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either way, I assume that this offseason and next offseason will be used to the new era of Gordon Bombay’s Eagles…. within the next two years I think all our 30yr old players will be gone with the exceptions of maybe Peters and who knows how long Dorenbos will be here…. So while Id prefer not to lose a top Guard, whether they do it this year or next year,. no real difference to me. If anything rather make all the change now so we can get it out of the way and start gelling with the new players
115 Greg Richards said at 5:44 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think there’s a price they trade him at but if it’s not reached they keep him. If we were offered say a 4th and a young safety prospect or even a 3rd then I think there’s a strong chance he’s gone. For a 5th or 6th round pick? No.
116 GEAGLE said at 5:47 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
i think you are seriously over rating his value.. I think they would have to be lucky to get a 6th round pick for him….im not sure they can even get a 6th
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so basically you think he will be our starting LG this year because no chance in hell we get a 4th for him, let alone a 4th and a young player… so if you think Mathis is our starting Guard this year how many years do you think he has left starting for us?
117 botto said at 5:48 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
mathis is young for an old timer
118 GEAGLE said at 5:49 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
doesnt mean he necessarily still has two seasons at a probowl level……. started to get injuries last year, is his body starting to breakdown? was it a random Isolated incident? maybe trainers are starting to think that he is starting his decline phase?
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but because we didnt cut him at the beginning of free agency I could def see him back for another season
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119 Greg Richards said at 5:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
1 more year. I don’t think what you could theoretically do with his cap space is worth the detrimental affect losing him could potentially have on this upcoming season. One could theoretically argue that by some of the other releases the Eagles are starting from scratch anyway but I don’t think moves like the Bradford trade and Murray signing are looking to the future. If Kelly wasn’t focused on the here and now, then he would have drafted a RB instead of paying Murray a ton of cash. Kelly wants to win now. You draft a player and then if some in-house option(draft pick/Tobin) steps up in training camp then you revisit a trade at cutdown day or just release him. I don’t think Kelly potentially hamstrings himself now if the return is a small amount of cap space and late round pick.
120 GEAGLE said at 6:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
there is a chance smaller injuries started to accumulate and the Trainers suggest that he is on the decline
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there is also a chance that this mirrors how we handled Desean. Chips first year he was trying to trade Desean, werent able to trade him so we kept him, he had a big year, tried trading him the next offseason. when they realized there was no trade to be made, they waived him some time before the draft…
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the Only thing that makes me be able to see your viewpoint is that Chip is a classy guy, Desean was a jackass and chip still cut him early in the free agent process having the respect to give Desean a chance to land on his feet instead of holding him til the draft and then release him when you cant get anything for him and teams will have spent most of their cap… Mathis has been a good soldier, he never went public with complaints or held out, so for THIS REASON I could see your viewpoint end up being correct …i think there is a good chance that if being waived was a possibility, it would have happened closer to the start of Free agency, so you may be right….
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but if there are eagles that we know we will get rid of after the year, Id rather rip alll those band aids off now, so we can start getting over “Life after Mathis” or “Life after Celek”…we had so much change this offseason, might as well get it all out of the way so we can start building that next era of Eagles football… its bad enough we wasted two seasons and are now rebuilding… I just hope to get this phase out of the way asap
121 GEAGLE said at 4:20 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Dolphins signed coach Joe Philbin to a one-year extension through 2016.
“You don’t get the best from someone when operating with a gun to their head,” was owner Stephen Ross’ explanation for extending Philbin’s deal. Turning 54 years old this July, Philbin’s Dolphins teams have gone 7-9, 8-8, and 8-8 through three years on the job. You can read where Philbin finished in Patrick Daugherty’s ranking of the NFL’s head coaches at the link below.-roto
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The Dolphins are contemplating moving DE Dion Jordan to linebacker full-time.
Philip Wheeler’s release gave the Dolphins an opening at strong side linebacker. Jordan has experience playing linebacker from his time at the University of Oregon and was used in speed packages throughout his first two seasons. With Cameron Wake standing in his way at defensive end, Jordan’s best chance to start would be at “Sam” ‘backer. In two seasons since the Dolphins took him third overall, Jordan has contributed a total of three sacks and 46 tackles while often looking overwhelmed on the field.
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so basically no coaching change is coming, so no chance in switching to a 3-4, so your last ditch effort is to try and move a pass rusher you spent the 10th pick and a 2nd round pick on to 4-3 Sam?…. how pathetic? he better be the best 4-3 SAM the world has ever seen to spend a top 12 pick and a 2nd rounder on the kid…. if its getting this desperate with the Dion situation, I have to believe that they will reach the point where they trade him while they can still get some type of value for the disappointing pick who is already in the drug program…
122 Brian Pillion said at 5:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Just trying to break the streak of four GEAGLE posts in a row. I can sense him going for the record…
123 Brian Pillion said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Wow, not just 4 in a row, but 6 out of 7! That latter realization requires me replying to my own post, GEAGLE style.
124 James said at 5:04 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think the most important question of the day is: Where is Connor Barwin going to live now?
125 Greg Richards said at 5:14 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Mathis tweeted this – hmm, is he trying to send some type of message:
Evan Mathis
‏@EvanMathis69
9m9 minutes ago
The homies. Wouldn’t trade them for anything because they’re the best in the business.
http://instagram.com/p/0laeRFHxIE/
8 retweets
18 favorites
126 anon said at 5:15 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
hahaha — at least he’s funny about it.
127 botto said at 5:16 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
he is saying you don’t trade your dogs, even if they are undersized and old.
I hope he stays this year though,we need him.
128 Greg Richards said at 5:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
If your dog is one of those ones who yap too much, you get rid of them.
129 botto said at 5:18 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
that’s harsh, but true.
130 D3FB said at 5:26 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Or if he has #gangties. I heard the chihuahua has ties to the latin kings…
131 FairOaks said at 5:22 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
He tried to renegotiate his contract last year (agent is Rosenhaus); Eagles refused but let him try to find a trade, nothing happened, and he stayed with the team (and did not hold out). I’m sure Rosenhaus is trying to do the same this year. Hopefully the result is the same.
132 anon said at 5:22 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
older and more expensive.
133 botto said at 5:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
wonder how Evan felt about vick?
any takers?
134 unhinged said at 5:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Call me naive, but I take Chip completely at his word when he says it’s about the money. Desean – a huge, uncompensated money dump. Chip never hinted that it was anything else, but, obviously, when your 10M WR is no help in the red zone, he’s even more expensive. Shady – a fairly well compensated money dump (counting Maxwell). I know Kelly never has and most likely never will utter any negativity about a player, and I assume that he holds some negative views about some players, but I would bet that he would take vehement exception to any suggestion that he has engaged in any player transactions, as Eagles HC, wherein money was not the overriding concern. I know that he has elaborated on occasion about players not needing to be pushed or coddled, as thoughtful adults who buy in and don’t need to be watched like children, but I don’t care for the characterizations that fly around about some players once they are gone, that they weren’t Chip guys. That is a phraseology that is highly subjective, and ignores something that Kelly has said repeatedly: It was all about money. I know he prefers size in certain positions like CB and WR, and he has made a point to name players who he really respects like Celek and Ryans, but I don’t know if he has exiled ANY player from the team for not meeting his preferences, where fairly large amounts of money just happened to be involved .
135 botto said at 5:36 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree, so I guess the question is if djax was a 5mil cap hit would he have still been on the team?
same with shady…
I really think he wanted a different style of rb not a cheaper one necessarily..
136 anon said at 5:36 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
both
137 botto said at 5:37 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
all cap hits being equal would he take demarco or shady then?
138 ICDogg said at 5:38 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Demarco. He would have been able to rework Shady’s deal if all he was trying to do was get a lesser cap hit.
139 botto said at 5:39 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree. and can’t wait to see murray moving the chains and keeping the offense on the field
140 anon said at 5:41 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
yup i’m sure that “keeping defense off the field” aspect was part of it.
141 A Roy said at 1:33 AM on March 24th, 2015:
I seem to recall Shady heading that off by coming out against reworking his contract. I felt that was three of the reasons why he was traded. 1. Wouldn’t rework , 2) cost too much and 3) took his case to the press. The 4th, and probably most imprortant, reason was “didn’t fit Chip’s preferred style.”
142 unhinged said at 5:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Nobody can say re: Jackson, but he had a career year in his first year under Chip, and he stretched the field, which I guess Chip liked. I doubt that Shady would be gone if his contract wasn’t an issue. Kelly was able to score a big defensive upgrade and shed a lot of money. I agree that Murray and Matthews are more physical runners, and Kelly likes the north-south style more than the Shady waltz, but McCoy has performed well under Kelly, and Chip could have spent quite a bit less by just acquiring Gore or Murray or Matthews as a change of pace with McCoy. About the cost: I don’t think the revenue tied up in RB this year will carry into 2016. I’m just guessing, but as many times as Kelly has referenced the allocation of money as a core issue in team-building, that is not an example he can point to.
143 botto said at 6:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I really think he wanted to get a better style runner and a bonus was shedding that contract and picking up kiko and Maxwell.
shady had too many negative plays which are killers.
144 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:42 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Money and needing a linebacker with huge potential.
145 Insomniac said at 6:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The only one of a kind WRs there is now is Megatron, Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. That being said, you can find a WR like Maclin/Cooper/Matthews in the draft pretty easily now.
146 Sean Stott said at 6:07 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Dez Bryant is every bit as good as CJ in my honest opinion.
147 GEAGLE said at 6:08 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
take Josh Gordon over Dez.. IMO
148 A_T_G said at 6:13 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Really? Why? Dez’s production has come as part of a better team, but at least he has proven he can be kept in line well enough to get on the field. Gordon has only proven how much talent his behavior is wasting.
149 Mac said at 6:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Production on the field is an overrated statistic according to McLane’s article. I think Geagle is just expanding on that logic.
150 GEAGLE said at 6:20 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I wasnt factoring off the field issues into the equation.
,..
Calvin is the most special Talent.. Calvin at his best is the best WR…. If i can have Josh at his best for 1 game, or Dez at his best for 1 game, Im taking Josh
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If Im a GM, and I had to sign one, of course I would take Dez over Josh
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if we are factoring everything into the equation i would take at least 15 WR’s before I take Josh…. but I do think he could be the 2nd best WR in the NFL if he wasnt an idiot
151 botto said at 6:31 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
or if the rules weren’t so archaic and childish and dumb
152 A_T_G said at 7:20 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The man is literally being offered millions of dollars if he stops drinking alcohol, but won’t do it. I am not sure it is the rules that are being childish and dumb.
153 botto said at 8:28 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
oh yeah alcohol, I meant about smoking weed.
they should be able to as we all should legally. they need a relaxing pain killer not alcohol…
154 Insomniac said at 8:28 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
At the same time, Gordon is punished more heavily than other people doing worst crimes.
155 oreofestar said at 9:24 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
It pisses me off that Josh gets the boot for a year for having a drink while Greg Hardy gets to bash his girl and play next year instead
156 Mac said at 7:02 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Yeah, it’d probably take a brain transplant to unlock that talent.
157 GEAGLE said at 6:18 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
i thought we were debating their talent and ability… Obviously if we factor in everything like his suspensions, being a multi time drug program member, i probably dont want gordon….. if we are talking about all things being Equal, which player we think is better, Id take Gordon… i think he is the second most talented WR after Calvin….. but if Im a GM, of course i would never take Josh over Dez
158 Insomniac said at 6:10 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
No one good can really compare to Megatrons size and speed. The only one that comes close is Moss. That being said..I should throw Moss in there.
159 GEAGLE said at 6:23 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
miss the Moss vikings era…. what a dominant fun player to watch…. he might have been more entertaining to watch then Calvin
160 wee2424 said at 8:17 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
CJ is even physically more dominating then Dez. I know stats don’t mean everything but they don’t really even compare. He is a cleaner route runner also. He arguably plays with a lesser QB. Pains me to say that.
161 botto said at 6:23 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
obj is pretty good too.
better then mac/coop/Matthews
162 MagsDaffyDilly said at 7:16 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
” He wants guys that can get open and catch the ball.”
When NFL Network ran Top 10 Wide Receivers with great hands, at least half of them were described just like this. They weren’t all fast and they weren’t all huge. Some of them would block, too.
163 Avery Greene said at 7:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
No trade backs, so I had to take what was left.
Your score is: 4514 (GRADE: B)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20: Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford (A)
Round 2 Pick 20: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (B-)
Round 3 Pick 20: Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville (B+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A-)
Round 5 Pick 9: Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (B)
Round 5 Pick 20: Shaquille Mason, OG/C, Georgia Tech (C-)
Round 6 Pick 20: Joey Mbu, DT, Houston (C+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Damian Swann, CB, Georgia (C)
164 Greg Richards said at 7:37 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
One potential target I could see the Eagles going after in a Mathis trade is WR Robert Woods of the Bills. Woods is very similar to Lee and Agholor and the Eagles showed and have shown a lot of interest in both players. The Bills signed Percy Harvin and also added Charles Clay. Last year they used Chris Hogan in the slot. Now Harvin could just replace Hogan in that slot role and Hogan is demoted to #4 but it’s also possible Harvin makes Woods expendable. Also, I’m not sure how legit it is, but I saw where a Saints web reporter/columnist said that the Eagles wanted Kenny Stills from the Saints for Mathis.
165 wee2424 said at 8:14 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Kenny Stills has already been traded by NO to MIA.
166 Greg Richards said at 8:16 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Yes, I know. Interesting though(if true) that we were offering Mathis for Stills.
167 wee2424 said at 11:07 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Ahhh, thought you were saying it like it could still happen. My bad. I forget though, what did NO receive? Stills is a young talented player. I bet we would have had to give more then just Mathis for him.
168 OldDuckMcDoc said at 8:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The way some people talk about WRs (and in particular WR prospects) is one of the most frustrating things in sports for me.
6 of the top 11 WRs by yardage last year were under 6ft.
A 7th (Maclin) was precisely 6ft.
None were over 6ft 3.
BUT OMG YOU GUYS, CAN’T TEACH 6′ 4 AND…….::facedesk::
169 Insomniac said at 8:27 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You can be 6’3 and suck ass at using it like Jordan Matthews.
170 botto said at 8:29 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
booo
171 Mitchell said at 8:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
And yet somehow still manage to net upwards of 900 yards and 8 tds, with Sanchize, as a rookie….. hmmm……
172 Insomniac said at 8:32 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Stat infation under Chip Kelly? No way!! It’s not like we don’t get more offensive snaps because our defense sucks.
173 botto said at 8:36 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I don’t get that?
174 Insomniac said at 8:37 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Being on the field more pads stats. Is it that hard to get?
175 botto said at 8:39 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I thought it was our defense that was on the field the most in the league, not our offense
176 Mitchell said at 8:39 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Don’t give me that bull, he had 67 catches on 105 targets which was tied for 42nd in the NFL per ESPN. It’s not like he is top 10 in targets.
177 botto said at 8:43 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
no no he was on the field too much apparently.
because the defense can’t get off the field.
wait hold on. he was on the field too much because we go too fast and don’t stay on the field long enough.. no that’s not right.
there is some equation that makes him suck, i’ll figure it out
178 Insomniac said at 8:47 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You probably won’t with those rose tinted glasses.
179 botto said at 8:51 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
what color is your tint?
180 botto said at 8:52 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I just thought Jmatt was good that’s all.
181 Insomniac said at 8:55 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Not saying that he’s bad but I’m pointing out his flaws. This just so happens to fit the topic.
182 botto said at 8:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
oh I thought it read, he sucks ass.
183 Insomniac said at 8:59 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I would flat out say that if I thought that was the case.
184 Insomniac said at 8:45 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
And..? Cooper had about the same stats in 2013..on less targets..and receptions.
185 Mitchell said at 8:48 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
So what does that have to do with offensive snaps? All that tells me is that Cooper had a “better” year than Matthews in 2013 even though he wasn’t a rookie and while Cooper wasn’t able to repeat any of his success what so ever, Matthews has a chance to do that. Furthermore, the Saints averaged the second most snaps per game and Brandon Cooks in 10 games, on 70 targets had 53 receptions had 550 yards with a 10 yard/catch average and only 3 tds.
186 Insomniac said at 9:03 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The less the defense is on the field because they can’t cover anyone means the more chances the offensive gets.
Cooper will get another chance..as much as I hate to say it.
187 botto said at 9:04 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
but they were on the field the most, not the least so I do not get it still….
188 Mitchell said at 9:05 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Yes, I know this. It still does not answer my question of what Cooper’s stats from a year before have to do with Matthews targets or production.
189 Insomniac said at 9:10 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You brought up stats. I showed you how inflated stats can be with WRs in Chips system. Jeff Maehl broke 1000 yards once in college with Chip. Do I need to point out Maclin/Djax having career years with Chip?
190 Mitchell said at 9:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Riley only did it one year and then tanked the next. The way you originally posted, insinuated that he sucked in general, which he doesn’t. While his stats may be slightly inflated, you still have to execute your routes, catch the ball, etc. Finally, I think the inflation of stats has less to do with overall # of snaps and more to do with the scheme in general. As I stated earlier, he was still 42nd in targets. If he was top ten in targets and still only had like 1000 yards, I would tend to agree with you more.
191 OldDuckMcDoc said at 8:30 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/11/trre.gif
192 botto said at 8:34 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
make it stop!
193 OldDuckMcDoc said at 8:35 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I can’t. I’ve created a monster.
I’m not proud*.
*I’m pretty proud.
194 Insomniac said at 8:35 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
o man the truth must hurt.
195 anon said at 8:57 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
sort by TDs what do you get?
196 Insomniac said at 9:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Hey man don’t mess with his skewing of the facts! Those 200-300 yards that the midgets have over the giants are like 5-7 field goals which is like 3 TDs!!
197 Greg Richards said at 8:53 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I really hope this doesn’t happen:
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/source-eagles-could-release-evan-mathis-if-they-cant-trade-him
198 anon said at 8:59 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
eagles could have dropped this to kill any trade market for mathis. or vice versa. i really can’t tell who is pushing the trade.
199 ACViking said at 9:01 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
but why?
is there a reverse logic operating at NovaCare?
200 anon said at 9:29 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
But what a number of sources close to and around the team, including current and former players, as well as additional sources within the Eagles revealed was that Mathis was not very well liked by his teammates, was blatantly insubordinate, photo bombing Kelly several
times in front of the team, pushed the coach the way “a child would test boundaries,” and was more concerned with his Instagram account than he was about winning football games.
201 EagleNebula said at 10:13 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Did this come out in an article yet? It wouldn’t surprise me if it were true but I haven’t seen this anywhere.
202 Michael Winter Cho said at 10:25 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I think he’s being facetious. DJax reference
203 Greg Richards said at 9:02 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
We’re sorry, Evan, we really, really did our best to trade you but no team wanted to give up anything for you.
Well, can I get a pay raise then?
Clearly since other teams aren’t willing to trade for you, your current salary reflects your market value. So, no.
204 anon said at 8:53 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
CSN Philly’s Geoff Mosher reports the Eagles may release LG Evan Mathis if they can’t trade him.
205 ACViking said at 9:00 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
And thinking there is . . . . ?
Need cap space?
Not a “Chip” guy?
????
206 anon said at 9:00 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
no clue. the logic is hard to determine sometimes.
207 Insomniac said at 9:03 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Mathis probably made fun of a duck
208 OregonDucker said at 9:33 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
AC – My guess is age and cap. Sports science does have a dark side. If you see a significant decline in key metrics, then time to move on. I don’t know if this is the case however, just giving info.
209 76mustang said at 8:56 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Decided to look at the latest mocks from CBS’ Rang & Brugler, SI’s Farrar, NFL’s Jeremiah & Brooks, and Rotoworld’s Norris. Below, is a list of the players they had available 20 – 32 in round 1.
You’re Chip, sitting at 20 and have no attractive trade down offers and have to pick. Name your selection and why…
Arik Armstead DT, Kevin Johnson CB, Andrus Peat OT, Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE, Ereck Flowers OT, Todd Gurley RB, Melvin Gordon RB, D.J. Humphries OT, Jalen Strong WR, Breshad Perriman WR, Marcus Peters CB, T.J. Clemmings OT, Maxx Williams TE, Alvin Dupree DE, Landon Collins SS, Eric Kendricks ILB, Eddie Goldman DT, Preston Smith DE, Eli Harold OLB, Ronald Darby CB, Jalen Collins CB, Sammie Coates WR, Jordan Phillips DT, Dorial-Green Beckham WR, La’el Collins OT, Malcom Brown DT, Cameron Erving C/G, Jake Fisher OT, Eric Rowe CB/FS, Henry Anderson DE
210 Greg Richards said at 8:58 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I’d choose T.J. Clemmings. Think Chip takes Fisher. Intrigued by Cameron Erving’s versatility.
211 Mitchell said at 9:03 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I agree with Clemmings because I like the idea of a big mauling grizzly bear that smashes the DL to the ground and then moves on to the linebackers who he can just bulldoze into the endzone. I would love to add some beef next to Kelce.
212 76mustang said at 9:20 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Really feel Chip goes OL in first round, possibly second as well (depending on WRs on board).
213 Insomniac said at 9:24 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Clemmings and Lane on the right side? Oh man..this is making Kelce look like the weakest link on the OL.
Erving played everywhere in college but he’ll fit best at either guard spots and RT if he gets stronger. Fisher has been conditioned at Oregon though and doesn’t have as high as a ceiling as Erving. Keep in mind that Erving started playing OL in college.
214 D3FB said at 9:04 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
1. Bud Dupree- Gives us a true impact pass rusher. Dupree has Robert Quinn upside and he can play in space.
Or
2. TJ Clemmings- Has all the power in the world. Technically sound, has a much higher ceiling than a guy like Fisher.
Also, who the hell had Henry Anderson as a first round pick?
215 Insomniac said at 9:05 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Who?
216 Greg Richards said at 9:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Didn’t realize Dupree was on that list. Yeah, I’d take him. I don’t think Dupree lasts until 20.
217 A_T_G said at 11:23 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
I didn’t realize Bud’s first name was Alvin. That opens up all kinds of possibilities. A training camp picture of him, Smith, and Graham as Alvin, Simon, and Theodore, or Chip chasing him with one of those padded clubs with the caption, “ALLL-VINNNNN!”
218 mksp said at 12:39 AM on March 24th, 2015:
Dupree been all over the mocks. Think he’s a top-10 talent but getting pushed down by deep EDGE class, would be such a steal at #20. I can dream.
219 76mustang said at 9:06 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Josh Norris had Henry Anderson mocked to the Ravens at 26.
220 D3FB said at 9:07 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Jesus. That’s bold.
221 Mitchell said at 9:07 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
No. This is bold . Hue hue
222 D3FB said at 9:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
No. just no.
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223 Mitchell said at 9:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Admit it, you’ve been “Mitchell’d.”
224 D3FB said at 9:13 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa
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225 76mustang said at 9:09 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Yeah, his mock is worth a look:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52869/344/2015-nfl-mock-draft?pg=1
226 76mustang said at 9:13 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Rang has Dupree going 29th to the Colts, Brugler has him going 19th to the Browns…that’s in their latest mocks as of today…
227 D3FB said at 9:16 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Wow. I get that he’s your starting 5 tech from day 1, I just don’ think he’s special in any kind of way. He’s Cedric Throton, not Fletcher Cox.
228 76mustang said at 9:21 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
You’re referring to Henry Anderson right?
229 D3FB said at 3:26 AM on March 24th, 2015:
yes.
230 D3FB said at 3:26 AM on March 24th, 2015:
I also apparently missed the word Dupree in your post. whoops.
231 Greg Richards said at 9:19 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
Not that anyone was expecting one, but –
Geoff Mosher
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Eagles will not get compensatory picks this year.
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232 oreofestar said at 9:27 PM on March 23rd, 2015:
The way the board is starting to form you can probably get a good old in round 1 with plenty of options at 52 for wideouts. Not sure if the difference between Strong, Smith is that much from Nelson, Perriman, Lockett
233 dan quisenberry said at 7:09 AM on March 24th, 2015:
If WR Devin Smith is still there in the 2nd round, the Eagles should grab him. Can’t speak for his blocking ability, but great combination of size and speed.