Happy Draft Day!
Posted: April 30th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 1,010 Comments »It is just after 630am and Marcus Mariota isn’t an Eagle. What the heck is Chip Kelly doing? Lazy jerk.
I’ve been following the draft for more than 20 years and I’ve never seen anything like this. The team with the 20th overall pick is being talked about more than the team with the top pick. And I don’t think it is even close. The football world wants Marcus Mariota to be an Eagle in the worst way. It would make for a compelling story and it would be fun to watch. Beyond that, this isn’t a sexy draft at the top.
The Eagles are doing everything they can to move up for Mariota. I would link to this story, except everyone has basically written a version of it. And it is all based on word from league sources or people in the know.
Peter King has the newest info up.
But there is this X factor, not to complicate this too much: One NFL source in Chicago late Wednesday night told me Cleveland believes it has a good chance before the draft to deal for Bradford. So there’s that. But if we’ve learned nothing about the draft over the years, we’ve learned to expect the unexpected. Such as, there’s a real chance Mariota could end up on a team other than the Titans by nightfall today.
If the Eagles deal Bradford for pick 19, that would help their ammo supply in the attempt to move up with Tennessee. Trading picks 19, 20, a player or two and probably a pick next year could get you to #2. Tennessee has a roster with holes so there is logic to this deal for them.
We’ll see.
King concludes with this.
I’ve been wrong far, far more often than I’ve been right in my draft history. But I think the Titans are more likely to take Mariota than to trade him, because the options for them at quarterback are just not good enough for a team looking toward the future. We’ll all know for sure tonight.
I still think the odds are against the Eagles pulling this off because there are so many variables (many of which the Eagles don’t control). But it would be pretty darn cool if the Eagles could emerge from tonight with Marcus Mariota as the team’s QB of the future.
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For those who want to listen to me talk about the draft, you have 2 options.
Eagles Pre-Draft 2015, EFC Episode 181 just published, and @lawlornfl spread his giant brain of scouting knowledge. http://t.co/OzsfCX1tNm
— EaglesFanCast (@EaglesFanCast) April 29, 2015
That was me and Chuck Stanley talking for about an hour, maybe a little more. We approached the draft by looking at positions. Where do the Eagles have holes? Which players might fit them?
You also have the option of me and Jimmy Bama going round by round with Eagles targets for almost 2 glorious hours.
Right now: A brand new Iggles Pod! @JimmyKempski & @lawlornfl go round by round & look at potential #Eagles targets http://t.co/wJZIaka5oz
— Liberty Broadcast (@LibertyPods) April 29, 2015
Enjoy.
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@BeauxJaxson Nightmare is a strong word, but I don't want the Eagles taking Damarious Randall at 20. That would be highly disappointing.
— Tommy Lawlor (@lawlornfl) April 29, 2015
Sadly, I might have to deal with this situation. Some of the best mock draft people out there are giving Randall to the Eagles at 20. That means they are hearing rumors or making very educated guesses.
Randall is a talented, but flawed player. Terrific cover skills. Highly erratic tackler. He might be the poor man’s Earl Thomas.
Watch this highlight reel and you will see an aggressive, athletic DB who can make plays in the box, in man coverage or down the field. This guy looks like a 1st rounder.
Then watch the Oregon State game. Tackling is not so awesome. Don’t let your kids see this or they might be scarred for life.
Talented, but flawed. Not my choice at pick 20.
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I put together a 1st round mock draft for ScoutsNotebook.
I didn’t go with any trades so the Eagles stayed at pick 20 and took…
I also put together a Top 100 list.
If you see “ER” beside a player, that means Edge Rusher. The blurred lines between OLB/DE/Hybrid guy are just too much. Just lump those guys together as ERs.
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So, three hours of podcasts, a couple of lists to read, and constantly checking for updates and breaking news? Yep, looks like today is shot.
Happy draft day indeed! Starts around 1 am my time, have to convince myself to go to sleep and find out what happened in the morning. Though I seem to try that every year…
Are you doing your massive draft preview article as you’ve done in past years, Tommy? Understand if you didn’t have time, that’s a big undertaking. Does the podcast serve as this year’s draft preview?
Working on it now. Probably won’t post til late afternoon.
OK, thanks.
I think the thinking with Randall, if they take him, is that he has the strengths to excel in the pros and his weaknesses are things they think they can correct. They’ve made the Eagles’ defensive players better tacklers.
PopCorn – Check. Remote – Check. Bradford Jersey – Check.
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OD (to continue the conversation) – I hear what your saying. MM is all that and more. I just don’t think the NFL is thinking in the same lines(how great MM is) because he’d be targeted by more teams fighting to get to the 2 spot. It doesn’t sound like the Titans have 2 teams to pit against each other to driver up the value. There’s CK connection and that might be it. IF MM went to Miami, would all this noise be happening? IF MM is worth all that, I expect CK to go all in and get him – at any cost. IF MM is that good, nothing should stop CK. But that’s coming from “ChaosEagleYankfan”. “CommonSense” EagleYankFan says this isn’t as close to happening as some people think.
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Whoever CK is targeting – I hope he gets him.
Chaos vs. CommonSense hahaha…. I also have a dark-side.
Maybe i am just perverse, but listening to WIP this morning i really don’t want Mariota, just so i can listen to them melt down tomorrow.
That’s the spirit! LOL.
I want Bryce petty
You know he is a system QB, j/k.
PipeDream – MM (and I’d probably do a cartwheel) – but my wish list player is White. My one and only prediction(based on a source our of Guam) is the Eagles trade with Jets and grab Kevin White. (too many jokes in there but…)
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Its silly to think “well, that didn’t work out for the Bills”. 1) this isn’t the Bills. 2) this IS CK. AND he’s from NJ. Match made in heaven.
White would be Cooper’s new best friend.
They better sure as hell not do this:
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@975TheFanatic
Tim McManus “Two 1sts, future 2nd round, Cox, Kendricks, and Vinny Curry is the latest package to be in the deal.”
Absurd if they do that deal for any prospect in any draft… We don’t have a future 2nd lol
You spout all this stuff about the reason for trading McCoy and letting go of Maclin is because too much was invested in the offense and you have to shore up the defense and you’re going to trade away 3 of your top 6 defensive players?
I need to see that to believe it
Exactly — Tell Tim McManus to “just say no to drugs”. Tim is just taking all the names rumored to be “on the market” and including them in the trade. I’m surprised Mathis isn’t mentioned…
I don’t want to see it or believe it.
Well Curry is a part time player who can play in base, I think fans love Kendricks way more than the coaches and Cox while great, has far less value than any competent QB.
Just look at JJ Watt, even one of the greatest defensive players in NFL history cant get his team a winning record.
You take Cox out of that trade and I can live with it.
He sounds like the key to the deal though. What do you replace him with?
But Cox is most likely the key to this trade.
Come on dude, you can’t tell me that if we take Cox out and include an extra future first it would kill the deal. No matter how good Cox is every team would rather have an extra 1st
A team with a coach and GM who might be fired if they do not get near 8-8 this year would take the stud DE instead of the 2016 pick.
Funny how you don’t hear rumors about trading Lane, Ertz and Jordan Mathews…. Smh
Fletcher Cox is far better than any of them.
Crazy to say that he has so much more value then the best RT in the NFL Lane Johnson… LT’s are worth more, and Lane has as much talent as cox and more years left on rookie deal. Think again
would love to trade jordan matthews instead of cox.
That would hurt the team a lot more than losing Cox…
dude I just got a Matthews’ jersey last year (f*ck i should have went with Ertz).
If they do that deal….I’ll drink for the first time in my life if that nonsense happenes
honestly at this point with our crazy GM/Coach I’ll take any deal that doesn’t include Cox…we shouldn’t even have to include him cuz they don”t even want Mariota
Exactly… What will I have to do for the first time if I already drink? lol smoke crack. Geagle turned to crack because of chip kelly? Lol
I like that deal. Kendrick is going to be traded no matter what, and Curry is just a role player for us, but can be a starter somewhere else. So that leaves Cox. While he’s a great player and is disruptive along the line, he’s much easier to replace than a QB.
If it was Cox OR Kendricks i could stomach it, but not both.
Man. Losing Fletcher Cox would hurt so bad. I get it. You have to give up talent to get talent. But he was so fun to watch last year.
It would be brutal. But who else on the Eagles’ roster would you want to steal, if you had leverage?
Evan Mathis and Jon Dorenbos.
All the joy of this draft day is gone…. I’m officially more worried then excited…its to the point that I would rather not even have a draft this year…. Thanks chip for destroying one of my favorite days of the year
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You are excited about the draft because it’s your teams chance to add talent…. Instead we have to worry about losing our best talent…. I’d soooo much rather skip this draft entirely and go into the season with this roster
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I can’t believe its draft day and no part of me is excited at all…. Thanks to the media, or chip, or both….Hope fans enjoy the day more then I do…
LOL.
We have to be crazy to do a deal with the Titans…mNO reason to trade that high… They won’t take MM, they over bluffed their hand when the GM two days ago had a half hour meeting with the Media and he was happy to answer media questions assuming they already decided to draft Marriota,. No GM would talk like that so open,y if it were true.. Lame attempt at a smokescreen if I ever saw one….. You want to get your boy, fine… But don’t get played into trading higher then you need to
You trade with Titans to get your guy so other teams cant swoop in.
Do you really think Kelly is going to lets say the Jets trade up with the Titans instead?
doubt jets want him… Doubt any team before the Rams has interest… And if the Jets want him, they are fucking morons for doing the deal with the Titans… I’m not saying for the jets or Eagles not to trade for him, just don’t trade higher then you need to because of a lame bluff attempt
Chip commissioned a study/investigation on what it would take to get Marcus, the results were we needed to trade up to #5, trust your work.. No reason to go up to #2… Get the jags, raiders, skins or jets to take less… Titans are hiding their commitment to mettenberger
Where’s that report? I’d like to read it to see what kind of study was done…thanks.
Ummmmm….. I was told second hand but I think you can check out the reporter WHATS his name “allbright?”, maybe Ben Albright?… The dude who created the QBR THAT espn uses… He actually had the FOles trade a day before it happened but no one believed him so it stayed quiet
ok thanks, I’ll poke around…
Let me know if the name was Ben allbright…. I know it’s allbrite, but I don’t remember how to spell it or his first name, but let me know if you find it because he is someone worth following…his twitter uses two L’s in “allbright”
Benjamin Albright
Thank you… Did you find what I was talking about?
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Not yet…
Try listening to his interview yesterday on WIP with Tony Bruno and Josh ennis
Washington? Meh?
Bruce Irvin sounds like he is on the trade block
He was their last first round pick, they must hate first rounders
didnt pick up his 5th year option
I honestly think first round picks are over valued, and especially high ones.
If i was a GM i would honestly look to trade down every year to get far more value.
I would trade back every single year that my pick isn’t in the top 15
High picks usually land on crappy teams, making it even tougher to judge.
I think Robert Griffin III, for instance, could have been somebody if he didn’t get sucked in the Dan Snyder morass.
Totally agree re RGIII. I loved him coming out of college. If he had been properly developed as a QB, would things have turned out differently? His personality is kinda irksome and he doesn’t seem like a team player. But could things have been different if he ended up in a different locker room?
RIght. I think most of these guys have had so much smoke blown up their asses all their lives that they are “difficult” personalities. I’m not saying Griffin wouldn’t have been a Subway-shilling jackass if he played for Sean Peyton but he’d have a better shot.
Don’t think Snyder forced him to be a finger-pointing douche-bag.
Re: Moving from #20 to #2, 850 points to 2,600 points:
#20: 850
#19 via Sam Bradford: 875
Fletcher Cox, valued as the #12 pick: 1200
In other words, that should be enough to get you there. Saw one tweet that says Fletcher Cox is the best available defensive talent in the draft – I’d agree given all the issues with the Edge guys. Obviously, contract is a consideration, but so is the value of Cox being a “known” quantity. And you have two more years of him at a good contract number. I think the #12 pick in this draft is *under* valuing Cox.
Giving up the other picks and players would be way overpaying, which I understand you have to do for a QB. But that deal is insane.
Some fanbase tomorrow like the Jags get to wake up tomorrow celebrating the addition of the top player in the draft Dante Fowler.. Wonder what Eagles fans feel like when we open our eyes tomorrow morning and reality kicks in….
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Part of me wants to see chip trade half the team for Marriota, so I can laugh when all te donkey fans and media who have been saying for months that we need to trade whatever it takes to get “talent”, I bet half those people will turn around and rip the Eagles for trading too much lol
maybe it is to you but destroying the team isn’t worth a laugh to me, so I hope only the best happens. I agree though great time to be a Jags fan you know they’ll get Williams or Fowler and be golden
You think i look forward to destroying my beloved defense? Get real
I would rather see players traded than picks at this point in general – although i am not a fan of trading Cox because i think he is becoming a transformative player.
The reality is that if you trade Curry/Kendricks/Bradford to ‘fund’ the move for Mariota you are clearing a lot of cap both this year and ‘future years’ off your books. Probably 25+ Million per year in 2016-2018 (based on planning to retain those 3 players). That is 3 players in FA to help fill holes.
Fuck the cap space.. If you get rid of Bradford and pay Marriota on a rookie contract for the next 5 years Bradfords 12mil almòst pays for KEndricks and Cox
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And I certainly don’t give a shit about cap space when our coach doesn’t respect it and spends more money then every single team on the friggin RB position of all positions,…. What’s he going to do with the Cap space? Spend it on 3rd and 4th string TE’s? 🙂
Yep AM, that’s part of the equation.
And we get something from the Rams if Bradford doesn’t start for us this year in 2016 right?
I am not sure how I’d feel if the Eagles trade Bradford to Browns, then trading #19, #20, Kendricks and our 1st next year to the Titans.
First it would be a heckuva lot to give up, and secondly but most importantly it would mean that the first round round of the draft will be over at 8.10pm for us Eagles fans.
BUT THEN WE HAVE MARIOTA
BUT ONLY 2 HOURS OF SOLID DRINKING!!!
Provided that I will hit the bar at 6pm…
That’s why I’m hitting the bar at 7:45!
Then you must be able to drink many beers in 25 minutes!
There will not be room for more patrons due to fire code.
you would surely have to stay in the bar for the 0.000001% chance they would trade back in with the 2nd pick this year 😉
I’d rather that then give up Cox
What effect does it have on your players when all of them know that they’re on the block and even your best player can be sent to siberia for an oregon player? Even guy that buy in 100%, team mvps, etc. (cox)
None. These are grown men, not high schoolers. Keep in mind they have agents and others in their ear all of the time reminding them “this is a business.” The only way it becomes a problem is if Chip is telling them one thing privately and doing something else. We’ll likely never know that. No matter what Ray Didinger says.
Players wanted to come play for Reid when he was here.
I’m starting to think because Reid ran a lose/easy camp…
Maybe. Maclin did leave Chip for Reid though..and an extra million..
I want to know what effect it will have to show every GM that you are an impulsive GM who can be bluffed into paying whatever it takes when you have a player he wants? What type of effect does it have to future veterans when chip acquires Bradford, has him help recruit Demarco, and a month later trade SAM away?…
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I’d give ANYTHING, to stick Howie Roseman in the neck with truth serum and find out his thoughts..
Well respected Mufasa literally called Kendricks the one player he likes playing with the most in his entire respected career…. Sounds like someone we should be losing….
Only because he has yet to play with Kiko :). I’m a fan of Kendricks. I’m not sure he’s easily replaced.
Meco is literally one of my favorite eagkes ever… But at his age, I would so much rather watch Kiko/Kendricks, then see Meco/Kiko
Agreed. Watching Kiko/Kendricks play along side each other the next few years would be fun…
If Tennessee takes Mariota, chances are good that Ken Whisenhunt will be unemployed or coaching somewhere else by the time MM becomes a viable starter. Trying to play him before he is ready could stall his development. I think Titans pass on MM.
Trading away Fletcher Cox would be a deal breaker for me. I believe that Mariota is the best QB in this draft and would take this offense into overdrive, but the fact remains that the Eagles still had one of the best offenses in the league without him. If Kendricks and/or Boykin need to be dealt, I would send them to other teams for more draft picks in the later rounds and make a play for Bryce Petty to groom as the QB of the future, while adding OL, WR, and DB depth. Giving up Cox would gut this defense and be a true step backward for the team as a whole.
I’m sort of coming around to taking the step backwards. I don’t think this team is winning a superbowl with sam bradford. So yeah, next year will not be as good but its a lot easier building a team when you have the QB in place.
Yup…no matter what we do at QB we will be a top 5 offense, so it’s not worth the damage we will do to our defense
Cox is a great player, but a QB you think is as good as Peyton Manning (Chip quote) is much much more important, a top 5 regular season offense is not the same as an offense that will will in the play-offs. Losing him is a step back on D, but it is a bigger jump forward on O if you are convinces Mariota is great.
And while Fletch is great, he plays a relatively unimportant position in our scheme.
But he is also one of the few players who can completely dominate in a two-gap scheme.
I get this but we’re talking about a QB. I’m still on the fence about whether to trade up for MM but I’ve stopped worrying about how we fill our other needs if we do. It’s impossible. We’re signing up for a mini rebuild which is fine if we come out the other side with a franchise QB.
To rebuild you need draft picks, though . . . I’ll confess that I keep on going back and forth on this issue. The potential of this offense with Mariota at the helm is really exciting.
what da. I’ll disagree on how important Cox is here…
Would you rather a scheme perfect QB or a scheme perfect DE?
oh, the perfect fit QB — but it was the “unimportant in our scheme”. I think Cox is very important.
I’d prefer the known commodity. No one has any earthly idea how good Mariota will be in the NFL regardless of how perfect he may or may not be in this scheme.
We know Fletcher Cox is a bonafide stud we can build a dominant defense around.
Bingo! Known commodity is — this Eagles offense has been pretty awesome the last two years. How much more can Mariota possibly add?
i’m sure if we watched as much film as kelly at el we could list a few things.
True.
A ring.
I completely get the logic, and would accept a straight up Cox for #2 deal. It’s all of the other picks and players that make this too much of a gamble for my taste. If this deal happens, I really hope that it works out as you imagine.
You’ve got to have an exceptional imagination to envisage MM having anything close to PM’s pro career. Luck was a Peyton clone in terms of readiness and ability. Notwithstanding Kelly’s effusive feelings for his boy, MM is light years away from PM.
Im not saying I feel that way about him. Chip has been quotes as saying Mariota will win ‘multiple super bowls’ for whoever gets him. I believe Chip is convinced that Marcus is that good, or can be that good
Footballoutsiders had us ranked #13 in offense by DVOA. Advancedfootballstatistics had us ranked #12.
We did not have a good offense last year.
considering we had a back up QB and messed up o-line for the start of the season — and still ranked that high is impressive…
I’ve got my case of Milwaukee’s Best Lite, 22 pieces of Popeye’s fried chicken “on order”, and my Eagles draft chart. I have a feeling that chart is going out the window by 8:30pm though. There are so many moving pieces that I don’t know how a deal for Mariota gets done but somehow I think it will happen.
Whatever deals need to be made to get Mariota have to come with contingencies. We need a deal in place with Tennessee before officially trading Bradford to Cleveland. And the deal with Tennessee would have to be contingent on Tampa selecting Winston, which I’m still not convinced is a sure thing.
As for sending Bradford to Cleveland, I wonder if the #12 pick isn’t still in play. Maybe Bradford plus a pick (acquired from dealing Kendricks) will get you #12 instead of #19?
My god, my head will be spinning all day. I hope my boss doesn’t expect me to get any work done.
Head spinning is right, Draft starts at 1am here and I’ve a paper due tomorrow i have yet to finish. Productivity is low today.
I feel your pain fellow GMT-bro. Caffeinated beverages on standby, ‘cos this is either going to be a long night or a REALLY long night.
Less than 12 hours till the draft starts. I’m really hoping that we don’t trade up for Mariota. If we do trade some of our ascending players then we’re not left with very good talent.
Cox has Hart waiting in the wings if he’s gone. Massive downgrade. An interesting name to throw in is Leterrius Walton. Raw guy but has potential to be an all-around 3-4 DE.
Kendricks has Demeco, Goode, and Acho behind him right now. We’ve been linked to Stephone Anthony, who’s just taller than Kendricks but will be cheaper. One or two of those guys won’t be on the team since I doubt we’ll carry 5 ILBs.
Boykin is probably leaving in FA if we do take a CB high. Thurmond is probably here to compete for either the outside or slot CB position. Honestly, I can see Chip picking up a wounded duck in Ifo cuz Oregon if we don’t take a CB within the first 2 rounds.
IFo is like 5’9
So is Boykin. Ifo would be the slot CB of the future if he gets picked by us.
chip didn’t draft boykin, word is chip is willing to trade boykin, so probably not the best example you can use…
Boykin wants to play outside and wants a bigger contract. That’s why he’s being shopped.
Lol ok
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So, let’s say…
– Eagles trade Bradford to the Browns for #19
– Eagles trade #19, #20 and Fletcher Cox to Titans for #2 just shortly before the Draft kicks off at 7.59pm.
– Bucs take Mariota with their 1st OVR
– Eagles are on the clock
What happens next…[fill in here]
No way Eagles trade before the draft, but then they take Winston…..
So in this scenario the Eagles would have traded 2st rounder this year + Fletcher Cox + Nick Foles + 2nd rounder in 2016 for Jameis Winston?! I don’t know if I’d commit suicide in this case..
I might go to a Buddhist Monastery for the next 5 years and cut myself off from modernity, until he flames out and allow time for him to crash and burn out of the league and to allow the team to get over it.
What would you do when you find out that he won a Superbowl in 5 years with us?
Hopefully i will have achieved enlightenment and will no longer be attached to worldly concerns and i will be able to forgive myself.
You trade out of 2 to the Jets for a bounty and over draft one of the other QB’s in the draft and hope that the sanchize can hold down the draft for a year while they develop.
We keep trading down back to uhh 20?
I imagine the trade we made with TN would not involve the Browns pick. If we were to trade Bradford to CLE it would be a 2nd trade after the Mariota deal. That means we would have to trade another future pick or picks to get Mariota but we’d also have the 19 pick this year which we could keep or trade for future pick(s). And all trades would be conditional
I am not filling in what happens next. Your directions clearly said not to read your post, so I did not read where it asks what happens next. You are not going to fool me.
(Wait, how did I see that it asked…)
My alarm goes off and I realize it was only a dream…
I’m sure that all trades are conditional on the bucs taking winston. if they take MM, the trade is off the table and Bradford is [gulp] our guy
Is it possible that nobody is taking about TB because nobody cares about TB?
Yea. We’ll start talking about TB when they take Leonard Williams ala Texans with Mario Williams though.
Edit: dumb
he had him 3rd overall
I will be so disappointed with Randall. It would just be terrible value at 20. While there are several guys clumped together at pick 20, there are players much better than him.
I’ll be pretty stoked when this is all over tonight.
I finished Sons of Anarchy last night, and the draft is tonight. I am going to have so much free time by the weekend…
Might I suggest Daredevil, if you’re on Netflix?
A most excellent recommendation.
I am, and you may. I will check it out.
Fight scene in the 2nd episode is unreal
Will be a fun evening and draft overall. While I’m concerned with some of the moves Kelly’s made, I’m hoping he gets exactly the players he wants. That will make for an even more fun season.
I also hope that his draft “crapshoot” talk is for public consumption only and that internally he’s been preaching — “A starter is available with every pick all the way to UDFAs and it’s up to us to find them.” I’m guessing that’s true. He’s made of great expectations.
What if: Bradford, Kendricks, Boykin to the Browns for 19 and 43. Get Jones and Rowe at 19/20, and get Hundley at 43 and Marpet at 52.
Rather have Bradford over hundley
That’s fair.
Get Jones at 20. Grab the best OL/WR at 19. Get Hundley at 43. Get Anthony at 52.
I’d be stoked with that haul.
Rather keep Bradford if drafting a boom or bust QB, there are plenty of WR/OL/DBs in mid rounds.
Browns don’t really need Kendricks. They drafted Christian Kirsey last year. They did lose Skrine and may have interest in Boykin, but they like K’Waun Williams.
But… it’s the Browns, it doesn’t have to make “sense.”
Bradford is more valuable than 2 Malcolm Jenkins type players. You want many clones at DB over franchise QB? They can take Mitch Morse or Mark Glowinski later also.
Jones is nowhere close to a Jenkins clone. If you want a Jenkins clone then you take Marcus Peters who is overrated imo.
He’s a CB/Safety. Jenkins was a CB. Borderline NFL deep field speed at CB.
Nope maybe you should watch the tape before calling Jones a combine warrior.
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 7m7 minutes ago
Several teams with a little passive interest in Mariota, only team with “active” interest seems to be Eagles. Literally the only team.
Careful Chip……
If the Browns will actually do Bradford for 19, I’d consider pulling the trigger and then waiting to see how far Mariota falls.
That means starting Sanchez probably. Scary.
I think Mariota would beat out Sanchez in training camp
That is if we do trade to 19 and he does fall so we can get him.
Yeah, I was assuming the situation above had happened.
Could happen, but if it did, I’d think we would get some good O-line or defensive backs to help flesh this team out. Also, there are those on this board who think Hundley could be the guy, or even Petty or Grayson. I guess I’m just not 100% sold on trading the farm and willing to take a risk.
I think Chip likes Bradford. Even if he wants one of those guys, he will hang onto Bradford.
That would be dumb.
Why? Because Bradford as been injured so many times that he can’t possibly get injured again?
My premise is that: I’m not interested in Bradford, and that I’m only interested in MM at the right price.
He likes Bradford. It isn’t necessary. There isn’t likely going to be a green chip player much less 2 at 19/20. Just trade back from 20 if you want more players because there are many pretty close in grade.
The be careful what you wish for post. What’s the worst case scenario, on the field, if we trade up for MM? We give up a couple firsts, Bradford, and Cox, or something like that. But the lights don’t really come on… the NFL ends up being too fast for him. After MM crashes and burns, we end up playing Sanchez. Now that would be brutal!
Or…..
MM quickly adapts and sets all-time rookie passing and rushing records and we make it to the NFC Championship game.
I can see that happening too!
Tommy, what is your official guess on the % likelihood the Eagles somehow end up with Mariota when all is said and done?
I’ve been at work for over an hour and have not done JACK (unless discussing EAGLE crap with you guys means anything…)
Not the only one brother! I’ve been here for 3 and half hours though 🙂
very excite!
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford (A+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota (A+)
Round 3 Pick 23 (PITT): Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Gabe Wright, DT, Auburn (B)
Round 4 Pick 22 (PITT): Cody Prewitt, FS, Ole Miss (A+)
Round 5 Pick 9: Shaquille Mason, OG/C, Georgia Tech (B)
Round 5 Pick 20: Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 20: J.R. Tavai, OLB, Southern California (C+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Justin Coleman, CB, Tennessee (A-)
But where is Byron Jones or Eric Rowe? 😀
jones was gone by 22 and rowe was gone by the third. it’s pretty O heavy, but that was the BPA. it wouldn’t be the sexiest draft, but this draft kind of sucks anyway, and we’d hit lots of depth
It is amazing how little proven NFL players are valued compared to draft picks. Fletcher Cox should be worth a top 5 pick alone, but he is mentioned as part of a package to trade up. At this point I really hope that we keep Kendricks and Cox and stay at 20. You guys agree?
yeah. it’s like trading a scratcher ticket that MIGHT be worth $100 for $100 cash. 9 times out of ten you’ll lose, and the tenth time you’ll break even. what’s the point?
if that 10th time is a Franchise QB that can win a SB, it’s freaking priceless. that’s my issue. i agree with not trading Cox, holding onto picks, it’s the sensible thing to do. but the closing in on 4th decade as an Eag fan voice in back of my head is saying ‘get Kelly his QB!’
No it’s like trading a really expensive and good employee for a much less expensive employee who may or may not end up being as talented, but certainly costs less.
i’d agree, except change”really expensive and good” for “pricey but incredibly important” and “may or may not end up being as talented” to “may or may not ever contribute in any way”
I can see that… but I do think that as fans we tend to forget that the NFL is a business first, and about a championship second.
winning’s good for business, though. otherwise they’d have me QB the team for $20k!
Business owners make risky decisions, not stupid ones 😉
hey, i can take a sack at least as well as kolb did
I surrender. haha
now YOU sound like Kolb
I compare it with buying a house or some land using your savings and hope it gives a higher return of interest than what you already had.
only if your current investment greatly exceeded the market average and only if the average ROI was extremely poor
Kendricks and Curry has zero long term value, the ROI on 3-4 DE compare to the potential franchise QB far exceeds the rest as well
if mariota ends up being the shiz, sure. if he doesn’t, you traded your brick Tudor for a mansion on a sinkhole.
I say the Eagles situation aint even that great.
I would hate to lose Fletcher Cox, but he isnt even close to JJ Watt, and JJ Watt cant even will his team to a winning season alone
Unless we can trade up with Bradford, 2015 1st and 2016 1st, I’m all for trading back. Maybe Kendricks too but I think Cox should stay.
I agree with your first point. Given the bust rate of first round picks, a proven stud should be worth _more_ than a 1st round pick!
Cox is the only one I wouldn’t want to part with. Kendricks I would part with if you twisted my arm. The rest, I’d be okay with.
Prepare for pain then with lots of alcohol. Curry or Cox goes if we get MM.
if you catch wind of something — toss a hint 🙂
When Whiz woke up this morning his sheets were bloody. Chip made him an offer he can’t refuse – The Godfather lives!
Classic!!!
I don’t see the appeal of including better players than MM in a package for MM.
The crazy thing is that with Chip, our offense will be good even without MM, but without Kendricks?Cox our defense will suck even worse.
You’re right. Eagles wins will be 59 – 24 instead of 59 – 7.
Lovely.
Last year when Kendricks was out, you couldnt tell it.
How much does Cox really adds in terms of wins over a star QB?
Like last year, I get to be the chef cooking for 1500 people tonight to raise money to support the homeless. So much for scheduling but thankful for a DVR and the hours between 4-6:00 am to watch.
Well done. You have your priorities straight.
I’ve got a first date. I’ve been told checking your phone incessantly is frowned upon on those?
Such a bad call! I “have plans” tonight and tomorrow night….
not if you’re sharing with the date
Honesty is the best policy. If she can’t handle you being an Eagles fan then it’s time to cut bait.
Amazing advice. It sounds trivial, but I couldn’t agree more.
Nice, mad props. Dont forget to turn the phone off! Unless you dont want it to be a surprise.
I think some radio stations cover the draft. If you have a phone or radio then you might be able to cook and listen at the same time.
Directing 75 cooks while listening to Eagles stuff on the phone = mortgaging the future!
Have one listen and be your radio slave. Problem solved!
Are you in Cali, where is the benefit?
SF, Tipping Point is the org
not only are you charitable, but you’ve resisted the evil 9ers?! you are a legend
i was cooking at a bar the year we picked maclin. made myself the biggest cheesesteak possible
Bradford will go to the Browns w/o losing #20 pick or Cox, leaving Eagles w/ #19 & #20 picks and multiple options to trade down in late first and early second for additional picks. Boatload of day 1 & 2 picks will fill roster w/ many of the picks that have been hoped for to fill obvious weak spots on the team. Sanchez will be starter with Tebow manning backup slot. QB of future will be Petty. Too much smoke for there not to be trades today; but who says the target has to be MM?
That’s what I’ve been talking about… who you got at 19 + 20?
Bradford won’t go unless they get Marcus.I think your QB plan is pretty bad although I did ponder it a month ago when somebody else brought it up.
The inevitable post-draft narrative that not a single team after #2 would have taken Mariota anyway and that Chip got played in trading the farm is going to be painful.
Almost as painful as when Winston pulls a Johnny Football and the Bucs are skewered for not taking Leonard Williams…
well we know that whoever he does draft, he’ll only have done it because “he thinks he’s so darn smart”
Speaking of #2 . . .
I wonder if the Titans have already held an auction for the 2nd pick — contingent on Tampa taking Winston.
Certainly would have been the best way for TN to maximize their haul on a trade-down.
Jets’ Wilkerson available (supposedly) . . .
do you think NYJ would package MW and their 1st to swap picks with Tampa or TN?
wow, that’d be interesting…if the QB class was a little deeper.
I don’t think NYJ is in on MM. Just my gut.
Anyone whom the Jets would want to move up for?
How ’bout Fowler?
Seems more likely. Only “clean” Edge guy.
Fowler would look great in that defense with Bowles calling the shots, and Richardson up front.
And I think Tampa could move down to 6 and still get Winston
That’s the interesting part — does anyone else want Winston, that’ would take some deft handling by the Bucs gm but would be an amazing move.
ANON —
We’re on the same page.
Has another team, besides TB, invested the kind of time and resources needed to vet Winston?
Maybe TN’s close. But none of the NFL beat reporters — good or bad — has reported that TN’s been snooping around like Tampa has. Or any other team.
Big-time gutsy move if Tampa trades back.
Maybe, but the big story will be how much Kelly gives up for him.
The most painful part will be the Mike Ditka comparisons.
Yep, it will all be part of the same narrative.
Only if Kelly wears a wig during his PC
Big difference though is that it is for a QB and not a RB.
There isn’t one RB the past 30 years that it would have made sense for even in their prime although oddly enough the guy I would want was Terrell Davis. Always gets crazy looks from people but I would take him at his absolute prime over Sanders or Smith. Next would be Faulk who I still think is one of the most underrated NFL players all-time. Best receiving RB of all-time and a very underrate blocker/very smart player.
Pretty much what I figure too. I can’t believe all of the talk about this as if it is almost a foregone conclusion.
Would we care if he became at least Donovan McNabb good? or wins us a Super Bowl?
3000-4000 yards and like 30 TDs in this offense? That’s not really worth it.
Mariota would have 4000+ yards in this offense no problems and he is not an int machine.
Look at the 10+ win teams in the NFL, what do they all have in common except for the Eagles?
Good defenses?
The Packers had good defense? The Cowboys? Denver? Indy? Steelers?
You’re pointing out the playoff losers Anders. No one wants to copy losers.
I’m hoping you’re not insinuating that McNabb was an interception machine. There are legions of ghosts of worms who would beg to differ.
It’s like instead of throwing a pick he would just throw the ball into the ground. brilliant.
Yep. I think he had a thing with worms the way most people have a thing with spiders.
It can be painful and we can eventually not care. Just preparing everyone.
There is so many contradicting stories right now and has been, that I wouldnt believe a single one of them regarding Mariota.
I think a team like the Jets or Bears 100% would draft him if he drops, but they aint willing to trade for him.
If he’s involved with the murder La’el Collins has to be the dumbest person alive. On the flip side I hope the Eagles are in secret talks with his agent so we can scoop him up after the draft.
or late round pick
Tied with that x-New England guy for dumbest…
Very sad situation, all the way around.
The young lady’s lost her life (remarkably, the baby survived).
Collins will never make back the money he’s lost.
And an alibi doesn’t mean crap beyond Collins didn’t pull the trigger . . .
WHICH IS WHY A POLYGRAPH MAKES SENSE.
It’s not only a P.R. tool, but law enforcement generally trust the results if the polygrapher is a reliable, ex-Bureau guy.
(The way it works is, you — as defense counsel — give the Q&A, with the graph, to the cops to let them have their own guy review it.)
yeah – wonder if that’s why the conversation is set for “after the draft”. Gotta negotiate on the examiner, time and date AND most importantly the questions. As a former prosecutor what kind of questions would you want asked / not want asked?
If i’m the defense attorney i want to limit it to (a) where were you at time of death, (b) did you kill her and maybe (c) did you ask someone kill her. Though undoubtedly they’re going to ask who sired the kid.
The whole Polygraph-sharing idea is premised on Collins having sworn up and down he’s not involved, obviously.
Next, no need to negotiate the polygrapher or the Q&A w/ the government. In most jurisdictions, there’s generally just a couple of guys who do this kind of work — the guy currently at the FBI and the guy who used to be at the FBI before him.
Also, I wouldn’t tell the government about the polygraph until my guy passes with the proverbial flying colors.
As counsel, you sit down with the polygrapher before the exam — without your client present — and lay out the type of case you have and what the issues are for your client. You tell the polygrapher what you definitely need to have answers to.
The polygrapher then figures out how to frame the questions. The best polygraphers are also former field agents, too, so they know how to ask questions you need answered, like:
1. Did you ever physically hurt X?
2. Did you ever want to physically hurt X?
3. Do you know anyone who has physically harmed X?
Once you’ve talked to the polygrapher, he’ll sit down with the subject for about an hour to (i) get them comfortable and at ease, (ii) find out what kind of person they seem to be, and (iii) get answers to base-line questions like birth date, job, siblings, parents.
Then it’s to the box . . .
A good polygraph takes about 2.5-3 hours. Amazing process.
Interesting, so the polygraph is “private” and they’d just submit the results to the government along with the rest of their “case” and say “see my guy didn’t do it”?
Does the govt ever insist on being in the room? Does the defense attorney need to present some sort of alternate theory?
I’d just be surprised the police would ever go for a polygraph that wasn’t done in their presence — but i’m learning a lot about how the govt operates that i didn’t want to know.
Polygraphs are conducted in a room with just the tester and the subject.
Lawyers wait outside.
The theory is to eliminate distractions and stresses on the subject.
Prosecutors are very open to polygraph results for a couple of reasons.
1. If the tester is someone they trust (former FBI agent), then the results are more likely to be trustworthy. The questions are the key.
2. The ‘graph shows what kind of questions were asked, which is a product of what the lawyer told the tester.
So — even if the subject is found “truthful” — if the questions do NOT address the basic elements of the criminal activity in question, the polygraph reveals a great deal.
[That scenario, the non-critical questions, would be a last-ditch effort by counsel to avoid criminal charges and strictly for PR purposes.]
Eliminate stressors, please. Being hooked up with a bunch of wires while some stranger asks you personal questions can’t be more stressfull
Polygraphs are unreliable: “The efficacy of polygraphs is debated in the scientific community. In 2001, a significant fraction of the scientific community considered polygraphy to be pseudoscience.[4]” (From Wikipedia)
Prosecutors and defense counsel consider them an important tool.
They’re not dispositive. But very useful.
From my perspective, evidence brought into court is more about what the Jurors will believe and less about factual accuracy. For example, Prosecutors and Defense attorneys also build cases around eye whiteness testimony which is probably the least reliable evidence available (and has been proven to be time and time again). Human memory is not designed the way it is used in court, study after study has proven that dating back decades. Yet, if you mention that during jury selection, you will be among the first to be kicked off the jury. And it isn’t just me, Neil DeGrass Tyson spoke about getting excused from a jury for the same reason.
There are a ton of examples of the inaccuracy of polygraphs as well as the subjectivity involved in reading them (Penn and Teller did a great job on their show of showing this), yet they get presented as unbiased data, probably partly due to the way they are presented in popular media. Maybe it is just that I come from a discipline where both my methodology as well as my findings are scrutinized for validity. But, I have a lot of trouble basing any opinions on a tool that has shown to be unreliable.
With the 20th pick in the NFL draft, the Philadelphia Eagles select La’el Collins, OT from LSU.
The city would burn and make the riots in Baltimore look pathetic.
I know at least one dumber person alive. His name starts with Aaron and ends with Hernandez…
he made sure there were no murders until after he made his money. But thinking about it, yeah — he’s pretty dumb. Threw away a TON of money over literally nothing, “disrespect”.
I know right? And a master joint roller to boot!!!
Maybe hernandez found out he was rolling for another team.
Well played my friend
Mariota is going to happen for one simple reason: Kelly has proven himself to be a rube in his short time as a GM and the Titans have a chance to to put themselves on the winning side of what could be mentioned in the same breath as Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams as one of the worst trades in NFL history.
No.
please like the Rams did? IF anything i’d learn from the Rams trade, no amount of players is worth a qb.
That said, there was an interesting PFT article about the Titans being for sale and how much a franchise QB would help the sale price — maybe MM becomes an “owner’s” pick by the titans.
the sky!!!! she is falling!!
Did Chip sleep with your wife?
Tommy, I’ve scanned your mock and listened to your latest podcast w/JK. Thanks for great, sustained name-dropping and extensive background on a bunch of players. I cannot fathom how you mocked Dorsett to Eagles, when Kelly clearly favors big WR’s (PD is not OBJ), but your enthusiasm on Clemmings, Rollins, Glowinski and Rowe is infectious. Great work.
Brandin Cooks is right about the same height as Dorsett and was heavily speculated to be one of the players we targeted last year.
Cooks is better than Dorsett as a prospect though. Cooks is way more physical compared to Dorset..
Agree absolutely that Cooks is a better player and was a better prospect coming out, just saying size isn’t a red line at wide receiver. Dorsett can work the middle and his speed would keep safeties from overloading the box. If he can run a decent jet sweep he should help keep the backside defenders honest (if we stand pat at #20 or trade down Bradford is our QB and his legs wont scare anyone) which helps the zone read. We have some bigger receivers, one that can stretch the field would help diversify our options and makes a lot of sense to me.
Dorsett would be a terrific complement in this offense. It is probably a stretch at 20. He’s probably a mid 2nd to early 3rd in this draft but it could depend on if/where the WR run is. I love Dorsett though and he is a great fit as a complementary player. Kelly may like him to stretch field vertically.
and Cooks is nearly a .5 second faster on the 3-cone agility drill (or one of them).
That’s A LOT!
We’ve got Sproles, who I would compare more to Cooks than Dorsett, who I happen to like, but doubt that he’s on CK’s round 1 board.
Happy draft day baby!
bob holtzman
@BobHoltzmanESPN
2h2 hours ago
Was just told by a league source that Titans have talked with Browns, Jets and Rams. Not sure if there were offers made or just talking…
So Holtzman’s saying the dream is dead . . .
Long live the dream.
Polian made a good point this morning on mike n mike. Top 8 picks are solid but if they trade past that, they are giving up a lot in terms of what kind of player they can get. Of course the compensation will have to include additional 1s that they want high in a draft next season. That has to be a big consideration, how high the return is in this years draft moving from 2. They wont want to move too far down so I think that takes the Eagles out of it a bit without a 3rd team.
Time to make my annual observation that the Eagles online draft show is so bad it’s unwatchable and that if they would only bring Tommy in as a co-host it would go from unwatchable to must-see.
The infrastructure is there… they just need some guys that know the players and Spadaro and Reese do not.
It’s good at certain points such as when Pauline or Cosell are on. A lot of it is filling time.
I concur. That’s the issue. It needs more guys that know the draft and college players and less Spadaro saying “I know nothing about this guy” and Merrill Reese repeating whatever Mel Kiper wrote.
Berman and Kiper or Eisen and Mayock???
Eisen and Mayock
Eisen and Mayock.
From Chris Carter on AP trade possibility: “I’m under gag order on the Adrian Peterson situation, but I believe
something’s gonna happen,” Carter said. “But I can’t talk about it.”
Adam Schefter also said Thursday that the door is not shut on an A-Pete
trade.
FOX Sports’ Jay Glazer reports the Titans are telling teams inquiring
about the No. 2 overall pick that “it’s going to take a HUGEEEE value to
pry it away.”
You don’t say lol
I hope Wiz enjoys watching Mariota from the opposing sideline . . . because that’s where Wiz is gonna be in 2 years after he’s fired and some other coach inherits MM as the Titans QB
good.
we keep our guys and Bradford, get some WR talent, and so forth.
big year coming
For me, that puts them out of range and hopefully out of the picture for Kelly. I don’t blame them at all for trying to maximize their haul, but let Cleveland put their resources behind another QB that cannot do a thing for them this year. Imagine Manziel starting and MM carrying a clipboard, and the HC counting the days.
it would be the other way around I think
“it’s going to a HUGEEEE Cox to pry it away”
There I fixed Glazer’s typo.
(if true) that Titans are openly vocalizing, that’ll scare off any suitors for that pick. Not sure its in their best interest.
yeah i was thinking if they started out with “we’ll be reasonable” to get more people, but i’m sure they’ve had a ton of conversations, and only want real buyers
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
2m2 minutes ago
Could #Browns trade for Sam Bradford? Well, he doesn’t want to do an extension & wasn’t thrilled about Cleveland when they last inquired
so..no.
Tough luck for him then. He can sit on his millions and cry about it if it happens.
Without an extension, the price Cleveland will pay for him drops like a rock.
from 12 to 19? or do we then have to take Johny Football, or add a boykin?
And has Bradford signed an extension with us yet? The guy is an one year rental until further notice. I wouldn’t be shocked if he retired next year if he sucks this year.
No. He is insisting on a no trade clause in his exstension
Sorry but that’s really old news. I know he tweeted but he said it before. cleveland reporters have batted it around.
Combine Glazer’s tweet with Rapoport’s and you get:
1. Kelly’s not budging from his “best” offer to TN,
2. Part of that deal is Bradford going to Cleveland.
WHERE’S OREGONDUCKER!?!?!?!
No shot.. Why do u think he is demanding a KO trade clause in his eagle extension?
Kelly going to have to pledge to throw in his first-born too to get the #2 from the Titans?
OD, where are you?
Drinking PBR and smoking pipe [dream].
Ah . . . The Treachery of Images.
http://collections.lacma.org/node/239578
Is Fowler the best player in this draft? [QB-value issues aside]
What I mean is, unless USC’s Williams is the next JJ Watt — and will give you 12-14 sacks between the tackles — how can he be a better choice than an edge rusher like Fowler?
That is, if Fowler is the kind of player who’ll demand double teams on just about every passing down?
Just seems that in the NFL’s current flag-football era, having Fowler is having a defensive weapon way more impactful that a DT or a WR.
Having somebody as good as Williams in the trenches will make a guy like Fowler that much better. Neither, I suspect will be tremendous on a lousy defense. From what I am reading and hearing, Williams and Fowler and Scherff and White are viewed by most as the best at their positions. There’s daylight between Williams and the guy behind him, and less space between Fowler and the next best OLB, and a hair’s breadth between White and Cooper. Fowler would not be double-teamed on all passing downs because he’s athletic enough to foil double-teams by playing in coverage sporadically.
Interesting stuff.
Thx.
I predict we get Mariota but the price will be even more staggering than we had thought. Something like Kendricks Cox Boykin Curry 2 1sts next years 1st and next years 4th.
The first one who uses the words “steal” or “reach” tonight will get punched in the face.
We should invent a way to cyber punch
as in the eagles got a steal after last years reach?
or they really had to reach into their bag of players and picks and Tenn got a steal.
if we can get this cheap rookie wonderkid qb we can really build the roster with talent in years to come…
Bradford could very well be worth his most amount right now before he plays… you never know
yup
and if he plays well we have to pony up big bucks for another contract.
while MM is on the cheap for a while
If he plays at a high level, I’m fine paying him
That’ll be an issue. Foles played great in his first year starting for us but he failed to produce the same performances a year later. We only have Bradford for a year and not as much cap space as last year.
means we have room to buy players and likely very few to extend (cox, the biggest $ maker will be gone)
draft day! took off work just to watch it (i work nights).
GE’s favourite players for the Eagles [non-Mariota version] – 1st round edition
[Pipe-Dream Option]
1. Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
[Uptrade Option]
2. Brandon Scherff, OT/OG, Iowa
[Stay Put Option]
3. Byron Jones, CB, UConn
4. T.J. Clemmings, OT/OG, Pitt
5. Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF
[Trade Back Option]
6. Nelson Agholor, WR, USC
7. Jake Fisher, OT/OG, Oregon
8. Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
These would be my personal “8 difference makers for the Eagles” – in terms of ticking their 3 boxes…
I agree almost totally. I know that Perriman has a higher ceiling than Agholor, but NA will give Bradford an option on every down, I think, because of his workman-like route running. I’d be happy if either one was taken at 20.
Not sure Kevin Johnson will be a trade back option though
Why do I get the feeling the eagles are bidding against themselves?
well marcus is a fit for exactly one team in the NFL to start with were they ever not?
Odds that Tampa selects Mariota over Winston . . .
1 in 10?
1 in 5?
even money?
Or Tampa’s spending all day today laughing at the Mariota scenarios ’cause he’s always been their guy?
Lovie Smith has not produced thus far in TB. Winston can offer immediate help. MM is not a fit for Bucs or their coach.
Tampa being secretive about their pick makes zero sense to me, unless they plan on trading down. They sit in the drivers seat to pick whoever they want, so if they plan on picking there, what does it matter to them?
Exactly.
Don’t understand the secrecy, save the potential trade-down scenario.
SLOW YOUR ROLL CHIP
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3m3 minutes ago
Titans steadily letting the Eagles bid against themselves. Chargers, Jets and Browns have been out for awhile.
Albright knows shit.
No way any NFL teams would leak this
I read what he said a couple of nights ago…he said I don’t know a few times discussing it.
hahaha — he’s not that dumb right? His first draft is going to say a lot.
This is nothing but chatter.
CHIP. SERIOUSLY.
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 4m4 minutes ago
When all said & done #Eagles may just get there to #2. Looking at the price tag, it won’t be worth it. Why you don’t give HC, GM power.
Les Snead of Rams seems to have pulled that trick, too.
yea except the Browns actually offered a 1st for Bradford, but the Rams wanted a QB back
So the story goes . . .
But Bradford said he wouldn’t sign there.
Taking the Browns out of the running . . . so the story goes.
Who exactly was bidding against Kelly for Bradford?
Bradford says he wont sign until he actually sign…
I agree with you.
Like McCoy’s situation played out.
unless we win lots of games
If you read that guy’s tweet stream, he’s pretty much already made up his mind about how terrible Chip is as a GM. Which is really just one guy’s opinion after watching Chip as GM for a few months. So, let’s just take his opinion with a grain of salt, shall we. I’m not going to say he is or isn’t a reliable source, but he gets a bit too defensive about his claims for my taste. As evidenced here, when one gets too defensive about one’s “sources”, it’s kind of a giveaway that perhaps one isn’t as connected as one wants others to believe.
I agree, but he provides the highest volume of high accuracy sourced content on twitter.
His opinion is meaningless to me – i’m worried about the “price tag” he references, because he may actually know.
if he knows it and posts it how would chip not know
Kelly does not listen to the media
someone there does
**Tennessee GM furiously texting Albright to “Shut up, shut up, shut up!”**
mksp . . .
Sweet shot.
you’ve put some really good stuff up today
This is fun!
Sports are great. Days like this are great.
@RossTuckerNFL: Eagles. Wow. RT: @975TheFanatic: Tim McManus “Two 1sts, future 2nd rd, Cox, Kendricks, and Vinny Curry is the latest package in deal.”
https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/593831786930708481
Who’s publishing this information . . . the Eagles? Or the Titans?
Or Ross Tucker’s palm reader?
That was just McManus speculating what he thinks it will take to get MM.
Ah, thanks.
is the latest package in the deal leaves much room for interpretation though.
Agreed
Who knows?! I wonder where we would get the future 2nd round pick from?! Evan Mathis?! lol
I think I couldn’t drink enough to swallow this pill.
It’s going to get bigger from there I bet.
Roseman?
Hah. Chip would probably throw in Roseman even if they didn’t ask for him.
HR could be the Manziel of this deal . . .
Take my wife, please.
Probably a few secretaries and janitors who aren’t “high character” or don’t fit the right H-W-S constraints that we could toss in as well.
that’s very good
Lol! If it gets bigger than that Chip Kelly better get the f outta town.
Nothing is sacred to Chip as long as he gets his guy. He’ll burn this roster to the ground if he has to.
…and move on to another destination in true pioneer fashion if the soil doesn’t prove fertile enough.
Only young players left whom TN may want (in no special order):
1. Lane Johnson
2. Brandon Boykin
3. Zach Ertz
4. Benny Logan
5. WRs
How many more? How many more?
“#19, #20, 2016 1st, 2016 3rd, Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Vinny Curry”
“Okay”
“And….Brandon Boykin”
“You got it”
“Really…also, um….#52 and Jordan Matthews”
“Sure thing”
“Right…..so……..plus Lane Johnson, and we’re done”
“Great, let’s sign it up.”
but wait there’s more!
Tell them, Johnny . . .
A new car!!!!
a set of steak knives!
cuts chops dices and shreds!
Free bassomatic
can’t we just wait until round 6 and get the next tom brady?
instead of trading up for the next rg3… whoops sorry
Petty all the way!… if we cant get Mary
im down with that
Love Petty, bills are hot after him
Titans GM claims Eagles are out of the running and 3 teams he is talking to are jets, Rams and Browns …latest SC report that sal pal couldn’t refute
phew, bullet dodged?
But Marriotas dad is telling peoe he wants his son in philky
sweet hire him as gm and see what he wants to give up
maybe we couldn’t get what we wanted for players
poor foles
back to back trades, like we could have done with the browns
Browns ain’t taking Bradford who keeps on specifically asking the Eagles for a no trade clause if they want him to sign the extension
Copy & paste the tweets you use content from so we can tell if it’s new information or old information please.
That Titans GM must be pretty sharp . . . telling 3 teams that the competition is getting thinner.
Smart. Very smart.
others say its only the eagles left….?
Only if the Titans GM announces that
That was old news. That was true yesterday, it’s a day old
So you know more than the best Eagles, Titans and NFL insiders?
Yes, its GEAGLE. He has sources.
I know that allbright knew that about 26 hours ago and people are just now talking about it, and most recent info confirms it… Take it how you want it. Fuck if I care
Well Albright knows shit
This was like 10 minutes ago.
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 3m3 minutes ago
Titans steadily letting the Eagles bid against themselves. Chargers, Jets and Browns have been out for awhile.
STOP LYING DUDE, YOU’RE FUCKING UP OUR FLOW HERE.
You’re way behind dude.
nothing is true until the pick comes off the board I think
True is a funny word…a lot can be true, problem is what is true now can quickly change
that’s true too!
Well, if GEAGLE says it then we can expect the opposite to happen.
MONEY TALKS.
Sports Insights @SportsInsights 3m3 minutes ago
The #Eagles (+140) have leapfrogged the #Titans (+150) as the favorite to land Marcus Mariota. (via BetOnline)
Yeah jeff lurie is going to look at a betting line online and force chip kelly to go get him because a bunch of people are betting the eagles do.
i’d be shocked if that was what the poster had in mind.
Time to bet on the Titans.
But can I parlay that with the Eagles winning the Superbowl in 2016?
Nothing is over until we say it is.
So can we still get Urlacher and Boldin…?
Missing a few zzzz
we can get Montana!
Latest report: Titans want picks, not players, though they haven’t ruled out getting a qB In return which is interesting since rivers is a 100% lock to stay in San diego… Bradford and Eagles talking extension but he refuses to sign without a no trade clause included
so… #shouldakeptfoles
Beats me.. I love Foles, Bradford is more talented, bradford is a more ready NFL passer the. Marriota, I won’t lose a minute of sleep if we don’t get MM… I want Bryce petty
And Titans as of now won’t trade past 16… They think there are 16 first round prospects and they want 1 in a trade back
You’re just repeating your comments from yesterday.
I’M ON TO YOU GEAGLE-BOT. I KNEW YOU WERE A BOT THIS ENTIRE TIME.
dude every time you post in reply to geagle I LOL
The jokes write themselves with this guy.
https://twitter.com/jayglazer/status/593844771111723008
That’s smart.
6 GMs said he won’t be drafted in round 1
surprised if he’s drafted at all in the current climate.
I’d take a late flier incase it’s all BS. If it isn’t, let him go
me too perfect buy low situation, we could 2 a two year deal with funny money in the second year. he’s going to need $$ to pay for his lawyers.
Best play may be sit out this year and enter 2016 draft.
Now would be a really great time for Ruben Amaro to trade Cole Hamels for a poor return.
still needs to wait 5:30 hours
Anyone know how rookie pay scale impacts supplemental draft (see potential with Collins)
I imagine that each round will have it’s own wage scale.
I think Collins is ineligible for the supplemental draft.
agent is trying to pull him
https://twitter.com/jayglazer/status/593844771111723008
Just saw that at PFT.
Can’t see the NFL throwing the kid a life preserver.
I wonder, though, if Collins is drafted late or not at all, and declines to sign a contract, can he go back into the draft in 2016?
He can, but he cant play in college.
rather just be a FA, sign a 2 year deal.
Can You Do That?
If Collins is innocent, I hope he sues the police, the media, whoever was involved in leaking that they wanted to question him. Major loss of earnings potential. I doubt he’d win legally speaking, but he should give it a shot.
GR:
I’ve not been hearing enough of a forceful denial/counter-story coming from the Collins camp
They’ve provided the alibi. But I haven’t seen anyone say Collins had ZERO connection to this horrible crime . . . blah, blah, blah.
Maybe it’s out there. I’m just not seeing it.
I thought he was only in for a father test? Did I miss something
That makes sense.
If he’s not the father, should help eliminate him as a person of interest.
Collins camp was too slow to react. The story’s gotten ahead of him.
I read that Collins wanted to give a father test on friday, but somebody leaked it before he could do it.
His agent (wrongfully in this day and age) thought they could do it quitely.
Imo, the police shouldnt care at all.
I really doubt the police them self leaked it and the media should also be protected.
The police and the legal system already protects stars enough
Leaking truthful information, unfortunately or not, is not actionable.
why unfortunately?
Because sometimes people (employers, coaches, commissioners, friends, neighbors) react to the news of the police wanting to interview a person as suggestive of guilt.
Not always. But sometimes.
True, but isnt that more of human nature flaw than flaw with people been able to leak without prosecution?
Because when do you decide when a story cant be leaked?
All fair points.
Ms. Mills’ death is news for one reason. Just unfortunate timing for Collins.
If only we’d made howie head coach and gm…
Let’s just hope Chip doesn’t start trading away future picks from the years after his contract is up.
Now you’re talking Mike McCormack
I am actually Howie Roseman.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/4/30/8522775/eagles-2014-first-round-pick-marcus-smith-15-pounds-muscle-outside-linebacker
Maybe I’m crazy, but I still have a lot of hope for Marcus Smith II. His mind/attitude have always seemed to be in the right place.
Think he’ll have a good year, flash a couple times.
you aren’t crazy. he was a damn rookie
You aren’t crazy… Crazy are the donkeys that have ripped him sine the moment we drafted him. Ignorant pricks
Anders had the audacity to argue that 22yr old kids can’t get stronger so I guess he is hopefless lol…
i’m not an athlete by any stretch of anyone’s imagination. but 25 year old me could have whipped 22 year old me in any test of strength. 30 something year old me wouldn’t be able to catch up with either of them
I dint argue you cant get stronger or change body type, I argued that a kid like Fischer who already has NFL OL body type and trained at the primer college in terms of sports traning wont get much more functional strength.
So what you saying is that it is impossible for any 22 year old kid to ever get stronger in any situation? 🙂
I don’t want to pay for MM, but the talk that he is too quiet to play QB is absurd… KYLE long put that to bed calling MM the best leader he ever played with… Then again, this is someone who is used to Jay curlers “leadership” so I’m sure MM looks like Martin Luther king as a leader compared to Cutler
If arik armtead doesn’t replace Justin smith for the niners don’t know how far he will fall, but next year we will draft the other oregon DE Buckner anyway so I don’t expect arik to land in philly. I assume we would go Fisker over arik
Please draft Bryce petty… Perfect backup to Bradford
Or we can draft him and make the bills pay to trade for him
bills don’t have much in the way of picks, but they do have some players.
This is a team that traded away this years first round pick because they weren’t willibg to settle on ODB instead of Sammy last year.. I want Bryce, so I would draft him and either fleece the bills for a haul or gladly keep him…I’ll take their picks next year
The Bills may very well be idiots, but they were able to fleece the Eagles on the LeSean McCoy trade.
We can no longer look at the “dumb” teams as ripe for taking advantage of in trades.
The predator has become the prey.
C’mon, that trade was fine. Bad example.
Sammy Watkins was in another tier than ODB as far as prospects went last year. Hindsight is 20/20. And besides, how much would people be gushing over ODB if he didn’t make that circus catch (which was in a meaningless loss) on primetime TV?
Not really… And he damn sure wasn’t in another class from Mike Evans… Dude, under no circumstance is giving two first rounders in last years stacked wr draft a smart move
terrible move, in foresight and hindsight
Sanchez is the back up for Bradford with Tebow 3rd. No room for Bryce. (insert devil icon :))
Schefter conceded there’s time for things to change, but a team jumping
into the No. 2 spot is currently not seen as likely. The Titans are
known to be requesting an RG3-like haul, perhaps involving three
first-round draft picks.
Titans don’t want Mariota. All else is posturing.
I concur.
um – no shit. Thanks Dr. Obivous Schefter.
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On another note, it’s reported that Titans want as little as possible to give up the 2. So far, Eagles have offered a bag of whiffle balls and is considered the leader as the trade partner.
Eagles out of the running with 5 hours to go. Titans telling everyone that will listen that they’re talking to multiple teams. Sounds like Chip is calling Tennessee’s bluff. I wouldn’t say it’s a done deal that nothing happens just yet.
Remember the Foles trade. How many false reports came out, even after the deal was done on what the compensation was. Lots of posturing going on right now.
If Titan’s wanted Mariota and saw him as a franchise QB they’d pull the trigger on him without much of a second thought. There wouldn’t be so many leaks coming from their side, seemingly trying to generate interest in their pick.
Yup.. They won’t take him. We are dumb if we give that team anything. They overplayed their bluff so now they shouldn’t get shit… Show me how you will draft Marriota, when everyone knows you are committed to Mettemberger and trying to hide it until tomorrow
“now they shouldn’t get shit”
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That’s among the best pre-draft evals I’ve seen
Not saying chip shouldn’t trade up for his guy.. I’m saying no one should give the Titans a damn thing for trying to be slick
Agree 100%.
If TN had auctioned their pick, then this whole dynamic would have been different.
But they couldn’t, I suppose, because Tampa’s not announced what they’re doing.
La’el Collins’ agent is requesting that Collins be removed from the draft and be allowed to enter the supplemental draft so he has time to prove that he wasn’t involved in the murder. Smart move but I don’t know if the NFL and NFLPA will permit it.
24 hours ago, this kid was in Chicago waiting to get selected in Rd 1.
Now he’s about to go undrafted.
His best play may be wait’ll next year’s draft.
Can’t imagine how frustrating this situation must be if he’s innocent of any wrongdoing. Nightmare.
Hear, hear.
Collins camp needs to scream “innocent”.
Not hearing that enough (if at all). Just hearing “alibi”.
Counselor,
If he retained you, would you ask him if he did it before taking any professional action?
Just to be clear about the tone of that comment, I’m asking honestly – people I respect have argued all sides of this point, and I’m always curious to see how those “where the rubber meets the road” approach it.
It’s a great question.
Until you know as much as you can about what information/evidence the government has, you want to be careful asking your client the $64 question.
You want him (or her) to understand the scope of the government’s evidence.
That’s better than asking, getting a bad answer, then tying your hands as to the kind of defense you can provide.
No, I wouldn’t.
I would have him take a polygraph — which would remain privileged unless and until I released it. And if he tested truthful, that’s the story I’d be putting out.
So, question 1b. becomes – how fast would you feel comfortable in moving to set up your PR campaign, under these circumstances? Especially, if the polygraph came back without a high confidence value?
I’d let Collins agent and PR people do a PR campaign — but not based on getting any info from Collins himself.
And I think every sentence they’d speak would have to begin with, “we understand” or “I understand” . . . words to that effect.
Kid’s in a jam. No question.
Perhaps they think they can milk more out of Kelly after the pick.
They’d be foolish not to do everything in their power to gode Kelly into doing something crazy. They still very well might just take Mariota. But, all the leaking of info from Tennessee makes it seem, to me at least, like they’re trying to generate interest and a strong market. And, I don’t see that as a priority for a team that truly believes it’s staring at a slam dunk franchise QB.
Charlie gonna have to head to the ER after inhaling all that smoke.
I have trouble believing that too.
I’m really getting pissed off when I hear names like like Fletcher Cox as being potential trade chips. He is probably our best player, and is a much better football player than Mariota is.
On the other hand, he’s only our best player because Chip Kelly got rid of, lost, or traded away our other best players…. So what does that tell you?
Cox is better than Foles, Maclin, D. Jackson, and McCoy. I’d say he’s more valuable than any two of those players together.
Maybe in a 4-3… but in this system, no.
Ridiculous statement. He is and was the best player on this team regardless of 4-3 or 3-4. Much more valuable then any of the players that are gone.
Hey, we all love Fletcher Cox, but don’t let your homerism cloud your opinion of a DE that averages 3 and a half sacks a year.
It was an absurd statement
My homerism? You’re valuing the players we lost more then him. Lets see Maclin replaces Jackson’s stats with no problem coming off a major injury so that production is easiey replaceable then Cox’s production. McCoy has been replaced by a player that had better production so theres that. Cole’s production had been steadily declining and replaced by a younger version of himself. Foles can be replaced.
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So my point is Cox is a 25 year old stud dlineman, the best player on this team, that doesn’t mean chip views him as such. Also Jason Peters is much more valuable then any of the players gone. So yea once again no “homerism” over here just correct talk.
If you want to use a stats argument, please explain how Cedric Thorton, a UDFA, has been able to put up stats comparable to Cox’s the last two years.
Is Cedric Thorton our second best player?
Do you think Chip Kelly looks at Cox and Thorton and says to himself, “Those 5 more sacks and 4 fewer tackles that Cox has compared to a guy we picked up off the street really make him irreplaceable”
Yea lets talk stats if you want to go there. On the surface yes it seems like there isn’t much difference between Cox and Thornton yet if you dig deeper and look at the QB pressure rate with Cox and he was one of tops of the league. So with all the sack we had last year he was responsible for a better portion of them. Thornton gets almost no pressure on the QB.
False… We play a 4mam line when we want to pass rush, and cox gets plenty of tackles ca the run for a loss without having to shoot gaps. It’s abaurD. He is a dream fit for the multi front defense we play
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It’s year 3 and people continue this false narrative that we are a 3-4 defense? Lol how much more time until we figure out what defense we really play? Lol
false
That Chip didn’t view them as our best players.
And what is the likelihood that Chip considers Cox his best player now?
It might be best to answer that tomorrow when he is on a plane to Tennessee.
If that were to be the case, then Chip would have determined that the player (MM) and position (QB) were worth the cost (player(s)/pick(s)) to make the deal.
Letting DeSean go didn’t keep the Eagles from being a top 5 offense, and I don’t think he’d be a big difference maker in playoff football.
Trading McCoy for Kiko and then signing DeMarco sure reads like a plus in my estimation.
Maclin was just a product of NFL free agency structure – he bet on himself and won, good for him. I think Chip was right not to overpay for him.
I hope we don’t deal Cox, but if we do, I’m sure there’ll be a plan in place to manage the change.
One of the best players in the NFL under the age of 25 hands down…. Cox will be here tomorrow!! Heart attack avoided
I can envision Leonard Williams going #1 overall, Winston going to TEN, and the Jags making out like bandits for an MM trade.
Adam shelter says people starting to believe Titans will take Marriota… And Mortenson says eagle won’t be able to pull it off
Like I said… No chance to get MM without Cleveland giving u a 1st for Bradford
It’s not happening. All of these media hacks are going to look even dumber than they already are by the time it’s over.
I don’t believe ANYTHING until I see it at the podium…
poor mariotta has to play with the losers in Tennessee for five years.
at least its the afc.
good luck young Hawaiian!
aloha means goodbye
In the immortal words of Pete Clemenza:
“Won’t seem him no more.”
unless he does a dion jordan.
or refuses to sign with TEN…
Marcus “cupcake” Marriota isn’t speaking up..
don’t worry we will continue to be inundated with Chip is going to trade for Mariota articles and rumors for the next 3 years if the kid is anything less than a rookie of the year phenom for the Titans.
I think there is a feature in Word where it will automatically replace all instances of Dion with Marcus and Jordan with Mariota. Reporters are going to love that feature.
haha
I believe it’s CONTROL + URLAKERRZZZ
It’s never over! Trade after draft! Mariotaz can hold out!
I would love it if Mariota came out and held a press conference in Hawaii to let the Titans know that he would never play for them.
At least his dad is starting to tell people he wants his son in philly
I hadn’t seen that. That’s great news. I’d love to get Mariota. But, my god, the compensation being floated around is absurd. I’d hate to give up 3 first round picks, Cox and Kendricks. That’s insane. That’s essentially 5 first round picks.
If that is, in fact, what has been offered by Kelly, the titans would be fools to turn that down for a QB that would need 2 years to learn how to be functional in a pro-style offense.
Yeah man… I prefer petty, but I’m not against chip getting his guy, but only for a bunch of picks. I’m not willing to trade a single player for a prospect
I’d be ok with trading Boykin. The team will never give him a chance outside and he’ll leave next year for sure. Plus he didn’t look that great last year. I’d hate to lose Kendricks since the thought of him and Kiko patrolling the middle of the field for the next decade makes me salivate, but I’ve come to grips with the fact that he’s probably not in the teams long term plans. Vinny Curry is one of my favorite players, but again there is a strong possibility that this is his last year in midnight green. I wouldn’t like it, but I’d be able to rationalize or at least stomach the loss of any combination of those three players. Losing Cox would be a bridge too far. Would absolutely hate giving up a stud like him for a lotto ticket, on top of 3 first round pick plus even more compensation.
If Tennessee lands MM, the AFC South will get treated to MM vs. Andrew Luck twice a year…
May not get MM twice a year for 2 years…
Would not be surprised if MM beats out Mettenberger out of the gate
The Eagles aren’t getting Marriota all because of 1 man… Sam Bradford, the savior of Philadelphia!!! Thank you sam you are a god send!
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No way Eagles can get to #2 without Cleveland giving them first rounder for Bradford and his agent has made it clear to Cleveland that they better not take him. Eagles tried to sign him to extension but Sammy boy was smart enough to demand no trade clause…
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So excited, looks like we get to keep our best players and actually add to them via this draft…
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Now get me Bryce petty!! petty! Petty! Petty!
saints are taking petty I hear
Saints and bills supposedly love him as a franchise QB
Petty’s release seems like the quickest of the QBs in this draft.
Petty is actually closer to all the QBs chip has went after since becoming an Eagle then Marriota is… Obviously MM is his #1 choice, but if he can’t get the special kid he loves, he will take petty over Hubdley. Chip only cares about the best passer and decision maker, THATS NOT Hundley no matter what anyone wants to pretend . Chip took Bradford over foles.. Safe to say he prob will look Petty who like Bradford is prepared for a lot of chips style… Hundley runs fast LOL
Petty may not make it out of Rd 1 — which would be a pretty impressive move for the kid since the Senior Bowl.
Dart thrower. Would look good in Kelly green.
AGREE!
First, Chip isn’t doing this on emotion. he has had months to plan his strategy and has a chart with the value of every player on his roster to every team in the NFL. While everyone is chattering about rumors, the leverage slowly shifts in his direction when the Titans are on the clock and are faced with either his package, or “one guy!” whose talent will be wasted on a roster that is a dumpster fire.
The Titans are talking & talking, but in the end they will look like fools if Chip walks away and they are left with nothing!
Chip isn’t dumb, and is even willing to over pay for his guy, but he isn’t going to be extorted. My guess is he is already working another angle.
. If he is talking about trading all our you g defenders it’s safe to say value is out the window
We don’t know what is being discussed. Like the media, all of our intel is what we are given.
You don’t need a source to know there is no Marriota deal without us getting another 1st round pick to trade, and the Browns are the only team with an extra 1st round pick… U can’t get MM without Briwns taking Sam… This was always the reality to matter what fanboy bullshit the media said… Teams want a bunch of picks, not players that will cost money and can leave them a year later
You have to think Curry & Boykin are walking next year, so why not use them to get something this year? Cox is a big loss, as is Kendricks, but if you trade them and ken your picks to get their replacements, it is less damaging.
Let’s not forget the opportunity cost though, meaning that trading KK not only costs you the player, but you also spend a #2 on his replacement that could have been used to add elsewhere.
I’m not so sure about Curry. Not easy to replace a 9+ sack guy. He could be willing to give hometown deal.
No way! That guy is going to get PAID by someone that will use him every down so he can win a sack title. I don’t see Chip using him like that or paying him like that.
It pains me to say it, but Spags will use him opposite JPP and still keep him close to home.
That’s what they all said about BG.. And we only committed 1 Yr to Cedric’s
I know for a Fact Vinny is very aware of possibly leaving here and that he will do the best he can to try and stay,’possibly even doing a shorter deal to prolong leaving here.. As long as Eagles can get in the same ball park as other offers, good chance VInny will try to find a way to stay..
I don’t assume losing those players at all. I understand the possibility but it’s far from a lock because I know how much curry wants to stay here
The Browns have done a lot of stupid shit in their history.. But giving us first rounder for sam Bradford on an expiring contract who has made it clear to the Browns that they better not trade for him would be one of the dumbest things they ever did.
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Those poor stupid bastards in Cleveland fixed the Trent Richardson mistake and fleeced the colts for a first rounder and then pissed away both first Rou dera on two busts Justin Gilbert and Manziel… A year later, 2 first rounders again, will they dare screw it up AGAIN and piss away a top pick for a 1yr rental (2yr Max if you franchise him)? Lol I wouldn’t be surprised if Bradford retired if the Browns traded for him lol.
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Browns are poor dumb bastards but they can’t be this dumb to give us the pick we need to get Marriota… How many Round 1 picks do the Browns want to pour gasoline on and burn?
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No Marriota without the Browns beingbrai dead and taking Bradford
Teams do desperate things for QBs. Considering their QBs since who bernie kosar…
How has being desperate and chasing QBs worked out for them?
The trade is taking a while to complete because the Titan’s FO guys keep needing to step outside and do happy dances when they think about how they are going to fleece the Eagles.
Or (to use one of your favorites), the Titans know it takes less than 30 minutes to get it done.
I just want Cameron Erving cause he’s named like I’m named.
Change your name to Dante fowler please 😉
He could be the 3rd Erving to grace Philly lol.
If I understand you correctly, and you grew up in NEPA, I may know you.
Ha! He went at #19…. f*ck!
My theory on the Kendricks/Boykin rumors from yesterday: The Titans didn’t agree with the Eagles on their value and said, “If you think they are worth that much, how about you trade them for picks then and just give us the picks”
Good theory.
yeah but i think Tennessee might have a bottom-5 roster.
We’re gonna end up drafting Byron Jones at #20 and feeling strangely unfulfilled.
Like, that’s a good pick, we’ll all be happy with it.
But after all this, no Mariota, no trades, just a good solid pick at #20 will feel very anti-climactic.
Fanboys dreams are being ahattered all over philly lol..
Loving every second of it.
😉
What are the chances that “NFC team exec.” is employed by… Tampa?
Tampa refuses to tell the player they are drafting before they are on the clock, so who knows
Who’s this Kinky guy?
I am not going to refresh, just in case your post contains an image.
Titans are dumb if they pass on Leonard Williams. Dante Fowler is the best prospect in the draft but they just paid Orakpo and Morgan to fly off the edge..
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Titans are fools to pass on Leonard Williams,. Actually Titans could try to let skins trade up for Fowler, move back two spots and still get Leonard at #5
Yeah, I think if they don’t trade, they’ll take Leonard Williams.
Or “Lenny Willy”…
Or just “Leon” — no last name
The only reason I’m completely not sure Marriota to philly is dead is because I don’t care what the Titans say, I don’t believe they will draft MM… So the Titans are asking too much, but if MM falls another team like te jets that would love to get a RB may be more reasonable knowing if they trade all the way back with us they can still get a franchise back which they need
I thought Ivory looked good enough to get them through this year, but the RB class this year is darn good.
They don’t have a top QB, so they are going with the defense and run the ball approach.. If the jets trade back I assume it’s for Gurley, but the dolphins probably want him too, could be interesting to see the rivals fight over him, then he gets hurt and te teaM that doesn’t end up with him ends up the winner lol
So Chip has gone radio silent & is letting the Titans realize they either draft 1 D prospect, a QB they don’t want, or get a collection of assets. If they turn it down the Jags or Raiders will take it.
i think the raiders are salivating at the idea of trading out.
Nooooo they want Amari
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So, over/under 1500 comments if we get Mariota?
Edit: how much over? I just realized this was a stupid question. I say 2500 comments
Easy over. I’d say over if we don’t get him…
The only saving grace (for all of you) is that I’ll be offline. So subtract about 500 comments…
I’ll write down your comments and batch post them later.
Negative. We need you writing our picks down on the cards…
PickS? So, you think we are coming out of this draft with more than one player?
I think it’s possible / likely that at some point laeagle and I will become so disoriented that we start accidentally drafting for the Vikings.
Very disappointed
You mean over easy? Mmmm eggs.
we’ll hit the over in 2 hours
If the Mariota deal goes down, I think IGGLESBLITZ suffers a meltdown.
Not sure about igglesblitz… but GEAGLESblitz will spontaneously combust.
It’s going to be ugly either way.
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That’s what I was looking for.
Your welcome good sir lol.
Hey guys!
Any good Eagles bar in OC or LA?i
GE’s beer consumption tonight: 10
Over/Under ???
GE’s top 3 beers of choice?
Lager:
1. Augustiner
2. Paulaner
3. Tegernsee
Weissbier:
1. Franziskaner
2. Paulaner
3. Weihenstephan
Are these available in the USofA?
Everything apart from numbers 3.
How would you describe the difference between the two categories?
have you ever had a Grolsch Blonde? Well that’s how a Weissbier tastes like. The first three are more Stella type of beers.
Grolsch Blonde . . . yes. First had it in college. Still the best beer I’ve ever drunk.
I’ll swing by the liquor store tonight to look for the Weissbier Franziskaner & Paulaner
Good boy! Have one for me.
Thanks!
The Lagers you listed are way way way better than Stella. Of all the great beer made in Belgium, that stuff (Stella) is crap. I do love a nice German Lager though.
Yes, of course they are all much better. The comparison was rather related to the Lager draught type of beer. 😉
I know. I just can never believe how popular Stella is when it is one of the only Belgian beers not worth drinking.
And it always gives me a bloody headache!!!
I haven’t had a Fanziskaner in ages, but definitely grabbing a few for tonight, along with some Kona Longboard Ale’s just in case we wind up with a certain Hawaiian.
Guter Mann!
Wow, blast from the past. I’m old enough to remember back when German beers were better than US beers.
And they still are. #nooffense
20 years ago when quality microbrews were hard to come by sure but no way today. In the Reading area, it was Stoudt’s and not much else. Entire Philly wasn’t much better and you hoped they had Yuengling on tap just because it was slightly better than the standard domestic crap.
How ’bout some Schmidts on a Saturday night on the Margate beaches . . . with other stuff.
Still pretty lean. I worked at Siemens recently and had a bunch of German co-workers. My former boss there was uber-German and had a lot of the quiet German pride (arrogance).
Finally even got him to admit earlier this year that US beer selection/quality/price simply blows away German beers. Literally maybe one of 3-4 things he has admitted to me that Americans/American businesses do better than Germans although he rants about the PA liquor stores.
Mate
Trust me, I went through the German, British and American beer market.
There’s not one beer that comes close to the ones I posted in my top 3.
I love this chick.
Assuming he flies commercial, he can leave HNL tonight at 8:55pm (local time) and arrive in PHL at 3:35pm Friday. Assuming he doesn’t pack a bag and traffic pending he just might make it.
Why can’t he just take a private plane at midnight?
sorry, Baloophi. disregard. disregard.
Here’s one of the Eagles’ two QBs drafted with a 1st Rd pick:
https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/steve-spurrier-bucs.jpg?w=282
Love those creamsicle uniforms
Hmm, I don’t think that is a young Donovan McNabb…
How ’bout that John Reaves (14th overall in Rd 1 of ’72 draft).
That can’t be right. I don’t remember hearing about a “John Reaves” getting inducted into Canton. First round picks are instant HOFers, right?
Reaves did set the NCAA passing-yardage record before leaving UFlorida. So he was, in essence, an instant college HOFer.
Plus, by his own admission, he probably did more drugs than Lawrence Taylor after getting drafted — which also qualifies him as a HOFer. Sort of.
Ever heard of functioning alcoholics? I rest my case haha.
Sadly true.
It feels like the 4th Q of a 40-10 MNF game . . . so it’s time to rollout the trivia
Anyone know how we can get Bryce Petty? I’m worried… The bills won’t let him get by them in round 2… Do we have to trade back once or twice and make Petty our 1st pick to get him?
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Allegedky teams like Jets or Bucs want to trade back into the end of round 1 to take Randy Gregory.. We could trade back once to let a team move up for a RB and ten trade back the 2nd time to the beginning of round 2 so the Bucks can get Randy Gregory in round 1.. We get Petty at the beginning of round 2 and have two extra 3rd round picks for trading back
I much rather have Hundley if we do not get Mariota, but chances are Petty or Hundley goes top 10 in the 2nd round
hell No to Hundley… Wouldn’t take him in round 3
Just saw this 😛 If Smith is really 270 and is still as fluid in coverage, I cant wait to watch him play
Cool. Im gonna have Kyle’s 2015 scouting PDF open while the draft happens this year. Will be fun to see where players end up with his rankings.
Didn’t you say that kids can’t get atronger? A week ago? Lol
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Crickets?
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U literally had the audacity to argue that Jake Fisher can’t get stronger a week ago lol, care to take that back? No?
Bulking up doesn’t mean you get more functional strength…
How about that kid Grayson?
I love him
that’s been the consensus i’ve been seeing.
Honestly I haven’t seen enough to like him or hate him. I can’t commebt or judge that pick if we draft him. I would be indifferent and just have to wait and aee… I don’t automatically rip kids just because I’m not educated about them like some fans who boo a name they haven’t heard
When picking beyond #16 overall it really is a crap shoot…. in most drafts.
We have to let a team trade up for Melvin Gordan like Ravens or Lions so Cowboys cant get him
I got a bad feeling they end up with AP (cap space be damned, no idea who they could trade) and take a flyer on Randy Gregory.
Arizona I think gets AP which night be worse
true only because as much as AP wants to go to Dallas I think he wants out of Minn more.
Steven Jones is not the cowboy his father is on draft day. Conservative picks. And no way AP fits under the cap there.
I’m ok if they burn a 1st on a back.
You say that now, but You will feel better when they miss out on putting a franchise back behind that OL and they are stuck drafting a bum like Landon Collins that Zuck Ertz will abuse for a decade
Time moves too slowing… 4 hours left damn it
http://i.imgur.com/DeDZUEP.gif
we are actually traveling back in time.
It really feels that way
Hysterical that after an entire fanbase and city has been ripping a kid since the moment he was drafted and they realized he wasn’t marquis Lee… All it took was a picture of a kid in a weight room adding 10lbs to make a nation of blowhards shut their mouths and support our famn first round pick I stead of fooliahly ripping him just because he wasn’t a plug and play player. Can’t wait to see what frauds people are who will all be eating crow thanks to Maaaaaaarcus Daaaaarling… Bunch of whore slaves to instant gratification. Shut your mouths and support the name that gets called tonight. Learn for once!!! Cause stone cold said so!!
I like you GEagle and I’m certainly guilty at times but nation of blowhards……
No need to be butt hurt pal, not even really talking about this site. Whether this site hates Marcus, people on this site atleast are educated about him… Unfortunately the nation of blowhards the majority of fans media who had only ripped this kid because they didn’t know his name in round 1… Thats a fucking blow hard… If you understand a prospect and are wrong about him, shit happens, no big deal…. Blowhards are fools who rip him because thy don’t know the name and despise the kid for it… This is an educated board, I can’t accuse anyone of that here relax and enjoy your night..
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Blowhard is a term for media dopes that rip what they don’t know and drive passionate information seeking fans into a false ignorant frenzy… My messages to not ruin a kids draft night and rip the kid just because he doesn’t match the names you been hearing Kiper talk about for months. Have some friggin class and trust that our coach is a better talent evaluator then Mel Kiper
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That booooing players on draft night shit isnt cute
and with the 20th pick the eagles select brett hundley..
Try again
and with the 20th pick the eagles select danny watkins
Catch 22… if they do that the city will burn, on the other hand they will have a great fireman on hand to help deal with the situation.
im just making sure you would support whoever gets picked
I don’t give two shits who they pick tonight if Cox is here tomorrow. I swear I mean that
word
Chip has completely BROKE ME as a fan… I’m so worried about te insanity that has been rumored that he broke me of my draft oopinion. I’m at the point I’ll support anything that involves coz staying lol. Everyone has a breaking point, chip found mine. Lol cox rumors broke me of my opinion , chip can officially do no wrong at 20 lol
Why have you acted like the end of the season that Cox is the 2nd coming of Reggie White?
Bryn Swartz
@eaglescentral
15s15 seconds ago
NFL Network reporting that Titans and Bears talking about a possible trade for pick 2. #Eagles
If the Titans have interest in Cutler, this is a perfect match.
fox can work with mm for sure
haha no he cant. Fox is terrible.
Kelly raves about him.
he won a playoff game with that guy tebow
LOL – if the Titans trade #2 for Cutler, regardless of what they get back, they are in a worse spot now than just sitting with Mettenberger.
But but, I thought Kelly was bidding against him self….
But but I thought 22 year old players can’t get atronger?
Cutler’s base salary would use up all but $1 million of TN cap this year
They’d be interested in Cutler because…..they need an aging QB? Egads already — and of course Cutler is worthy of moving up to 2… puke.
Also — besides Cutler’s 1-year number using up nearly all of TN’s 2015 cap — the Cap Hit to Chicago would put them about $18 million OVER for 2015.
I’d really like to see this bit of financial magic
CORRECTION:
A trade of Cutler only costs the Bears $4 million on the cap — not $29 million.
Apologies to all.
3 day ban and no soup for you
I’ll be withdrawing now.
No worries, 1 mistake isn’t as bad as the 50-60 I make an hour…
1 per/min? Damn pretty good.
It adds up over an 8 hour period. If I include igglesblitz, I think that number goes up.
Cutler’s contract didn’t have any signing bonuses initially. He converted $5M of his base salary into a signing bonus and that was prorated over 5 years. If he was traded $4M would accelerate against this year’s cap but his $15.5M salary(which is guaranteed) would go to the Titans so his the net cap savings would be $12.5M for Chicago.
Saw where you corrected your previous post.
Told you for two weeks the Eagles have been on the phone with the Bears constantly. Told you for two weeks to watch out for chip and John fox
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LOL
We’ll see. The Titans and Bears talking isn’t necessarily related to the Eagles at all.
or is it…. i dont know what the hell i am talking about anymore lol
LoL! Reading Comprehension and all that…
No. I get his point. He has legitimately been saying for a while now that the Eagles and Bears have been having trade discussions, about what he wasn’t sure. Not a stretch to think a 3-way trade could be in play.
They may be talking about a 3 team trade, but the last tweet didn’t simply include the Eagles. Apart from a hashtag. #mediaisawhore
martellus bennett?
Doubt it. Too expensive and a malcontent.
Shea Mclellen is more logical
Yes you have. Just saying that the NFL Network’s report may or may not be connected.
I have no clue what it means. For all I know we are trading for Shea McClellan who they didn’t pick up the option on his contract.. But I know for a fact we been on the phones with the Bears for two weeks now.. And considering we are probably on the phone with a bunch of teams for two weeks, I found it odd that I would specifically be hearing about the Bears.. But who the hell knows… Everything can change any minute so even if you know the truth, the truth could become a lie five minutes later..
So I’ll be in class tonight when the draft starts. If the Eagles do in fact get Mariota, the class will officially become the Eagles nest. Half won’t care (Ravens fans) and the other half will give me lip (Skins fans). But they have to realize what’s important, and it isn’t the lab we’re doing.
don’t worry it aint going down
Curious . . .
What will the instructor be saying during these exchanges?
claaass, claaasss,
SHUT UP!
thank you
He’s a Skins fan, so probably that maybe the Skins should have picked him. LOL, I’m not sure. It’s our last class, so maybe I’ll get lucky and we’ll be out of there really early.
“Greeeene…..Greeeene? Anyone, anyone, D-O-O economics….voodoo economics…”
Stand up spike a skins fans laptop and walk to a local bar and begin your celebrating.
Prof has to understand.
Damn, ESP just going to go down with the ship. Still yapping about Mariota & Manziel for the Browns picks.
musta put something good in his brownies.
it’s because they never face any consequences for being wrong as shit
just like a government i know, but thats another discussion lol
The government says we are getting M and M too?
Mikey Miss just said the entire island of Hawaii is willing Mariota to end up with the Eagles ROTFLMAO
the entire island chain?
or just the island of Hawaii?
here in maui we sure are!
so is victorino!
Is there a sacrifice of a virgin at the mouth of the volcano planned, or is that kind of thing discouraged now days?
reading that the giants are going for Melvin Gordon?
geez
at 9, please do
This draft makes me nervous. I’m so afraid they’re going to screw this up.
you’ll only have to wait 3 years to find out
…damnit. When you are right you are right.
Lol so true.
Not necessarily. It only took Watkins 2 years to fail, but even more impressively we cut Jaiquawn Jarrett after 1 season.
On the other hand, the way Andrew Luck has been playing, the colts could have had players fuck up even more than Watkins/Jarrett and that would still be one of the best draft years they ever had.
You’ll probably have to wait, but for good and for worse, the extremes gives you an answer way, way quicker.
@ACViking:disqus
Another historical question and sorry if you’ve hit on this in a previous thread.
Is there any history of a coach coming into the NFL from college and getting the last QB he coached from college? If so, any success?
AG:
I’ve been banned for 3 days.
Will have an answer on Sunday.
🙁
I think I’m officially unbanning you. Who else can give us the needed info?
Thanx.
I officially accept your unbanning of me.
Thanx.
I officially accept your unbanning of me.
Spurrier?
Yeah, that’s the obvious one since Kelly is so often compared to Spurrier by his detractors. He didn’t draft Wuerffel in the first round though. (I think he was probably a FA by the time Washington got him.)
Quick off-the-top answer . . . (oops)
Vermeil picked up his UCLA QB Jon Sciarra from the Bears — but Sciarra was a veer-option QB who played safety.
However, in his first season with the Birds, Vermeil used Sciarra at the goal line a couple times to run the option. Didn’t work.
Steve Walsh/Jimmy Johnson?
ICD —
That’s the one. Great job.
Another coach-QB combo is former AZ State HC Frank Kush.
Kush took the Colts job in 1982.
And he drafted his former ASU starting QB Mike Pagel in the 4th Rd of the ’82 draft.
This draft is crazy I have no freaking clue what is going on
I am fearful yet anxious
I’m scared but not an excited scared just scared
scared today, scarred tomorrow.
As long as Cox stays, I have no fear. If cox stays, we can’t lose
That’s really all that matters at this point, Chip please don’t break me
The media has completely ruined this draft for me to the point that I’m basically now watching the draft to see if Cox is traded… They broke me
Alright guys, off to class. Don’t break TLaw’s page tonight!
I’m calling it. TB takes Mariota at 1. If i’m wrong . . . my lifetime avg will still be a million times better than kiper’s
Will make my day if they do. I love Mariota, I hate if we trade way to much for him. I am all aboard the Byron train @20.
That would be truly shocking. No reason at all to allow rampant leaks that Winston is the pick if Mariota is their guy. Doesn’t accompl anything for them.
Except confuse everyone else and waste other teams time with trades which is soooook worth it
It would be glorious… Seeing Jameis fall out of #1 alone would be priceless
If they do, the shot on Kelly’s face and instant reaction will be priceless.
Hopefully, the long-term results will be like when the Dolphins jumped us for Dion Jordan.
I’m calling the next step: Tennessee has gotten so excited about being prom queen that they have no actual contingency plan.
haha oops
Final predictions:
Kiper: Byron Jones
McShay: Perriman
I’d be fine with either
Prefer a trade back but I’m a fan of both
Ed Werder is at the Bucs’ facility and he reported on ESPN that the Bucs are talking with Cleveland about moving up from 34 to 19 to land a targeted pass rusher. If they’re interested in CLE’s pick they might be interested in 20 too. Their 2nd and 3rd would be good return for pick 20. Might have interest in 34 and their 2016 2nd round pick too.
trading back is so logical to me.
Logical yes, but it’d suck to be so excited tonight and watch them punt to tomorrow.
That’s actually my dreams scenario.. Trade out of round 1… While it sucks, impatient should never drive decisions. Trade back as many times as team let us
But I want to open my present tonight!
Rather open two extra preasents tomorrow… Take Bryce Petty at the beginning of round 2, and still have a 2nd round pick and three 3rds… bryce won’t get past the bills
You’d have a 2nd and two 3rds unless you did another trade.
I think you would trade back twice to get all the way out of round 1, Id assume at least. We considered it last years with vikngs but thought we would lose marcus, so turned down our second trade back from #26
What’s the likelihood that a team like the jets trades up to #2 to take one of the defensive studs instead of Mariota? I’d probably guess it’s in the single digits, but you never know there’s definitely a possiblity that one of these teams talking to the Titans is in love w another player and not Mariota as everyone expects.
It may be more then just the single digits. Remember Bowles is a defensive minded coach.
Seems like everything is lining up for the Eagles to take their QB of the future, Brandon Bridge.
Connor Halliday
Bryce petty
What is with your love of average QBs?
I know you’re all about the D, but did you see what Mike Vick did in this offense? Now take that athleticism, and add a great decision maker and passer. That is going to be so much fun to watch!
What was so special about what Mike Vick did in this offense? Last time I checked Nick Foles took the job and ran with it and had a historical season yet he wasn’t very athletic.
Vick couldn’t make the right read, but his athleticism led to points galore, because they didn’t know if he was running, or passing, or handing it off!
Receivers were wide open” the Defenses didn’t know what to do, the offense was as building such big leads our biggest problem was ” how to slow down the Offense and burn clock”.
Foles & Sanchez removed the running aspect entirely, but were better decision makers and passers.
Lol it’s not like it had nothing to do with the fact THATS it was the first times NFL defenses were seeing the chip offense …l
I’d argue we still haven’t seen it. Foles was one dimensional.
Excuse me but after you spend more money on the RB position then literally any franchise, I don’t want to hear about how you can’t live without a QB who can run.. Chips offense if you haven’t figures out is built on inside and outside zone plays, NOT zone READ plays… The percentage of zone READ plays we run is the only thing that changes depending on the QB, and when I don’t want to see my franchise QB run all over the place for the 3rd decade in a row of my fandom, excuse me if I don’t care about a zone read play. To act like he can’t live without a run play when he is paying an abaurd amount for running backs is a slap in the face to his genius… If this man is so
dependant one one play then we have to be baboons to let him run the Eagles…
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Fortunately whether people want to believe it or not, Chip has proven to only care about decision making and ability to throw the ball, along with character period! Anything else is a bonus to him for QBs. At some point people will have to believe this if his decisions continue to support it
don’t even get me started on how much we’re paying for rbs in a stacked RB draft. One of the issues is that chips offseason moves were set up to get Mariota and if he can’t get him all that stuff looks a little silly.
It’s why I laugh when people justufy losing our best young players by gaining cap space… What good is cap space to chip? He will probably blow it on a 3rd and 4th TE and sign a probowl gunner for like 3mil… Rather have my young talent then give him extra cap space
“and sign a probowl gunner for like 3mil” – preach
This! I agree completely. When I saw all the RBs we got in FA and all the money we spent on the position, that was the moment I was sure Chip was moving up for Mariota. No reason to spend all that coin on injury prone RBs in a stacked RB draft if you’re planning on having all your picks.
I actually think chip would have liked to weasel out of the ryan Mathews contract if he could have without looking so bad with agents during his first offseason… I don’t KNOW THAT, but its my impression
Your average QB… Is the Saints Super Bowl winning coaches franchise Qb… Lol keep judging QBs by punt returner skills. Chip cares about decision making and throwing the ball PERIOD… Those punt returner skills are just bonus’s so sorry Brett Hundley fans
Cody Fajardo
what would we have to trade for cody?
Nothing, he’s in the draft.
that was a joke
Johnny Manziel
Cardale Jones – 2016
RGIII!
Over/Under for # of comments on the upcoming draft thread if we draft Mariota: 2000
I’d take the over but…. I am anticipating several posts from Tommy tonight and those posts will be spread out.
True. Didn’t think of that. I’m going over anyway, I don’t think Tommy will be able to keep up with the comment storm that will follow.
In fact, we may finally crash the server if it happens.
Nahh it’ll take a lot more traffic to do that.
If EMB goes down, there may be enough traffic driven this way to put er’ down.
Should not allow guests and anyone to register today IMO.
They’ll most likely flock to BGN or birds 24/7. We have enough GEAGLEs here as is.
# of GEAGLE posts on here tonight from the time the draft starts and until say 1 AM EST: 250 (over/under)
Under
This isn’t the 90s where traffic overwhelms servers hosted in some guy’s garage. It looks like igglesblitz uses godaddy which should be big enough to handle any spikes (though their email product that comes with hosting sucks)
But they do parrade Danica around…
And their CEO is a POS, but they gotz bandwidth. This site ain’t crashing.
Either way bet it lasts longer than the EMB.
over/under on all posts made on IgglesBlitz today? I’d go 5000.
After all the discussion, how ho-hum will it be if the Eagles do nothing of real notice, make no trade of real significance (Boykin doesn’t count), and simply draft Jones at #20?
Yeah the media will get a day or two of yelling about not getting Mariota but the only way the media can continue to milk the insanity that has been Kelly the GM is if they get Mariota. It will be non-stop until the Sixers’ draft in June.
Media should offer to funnel Tennessee’s owner a few million to make the trade easier on the Eagles.
Are you kidding? If Tennessee takes Mariota and he inevitably is anything less than rookie of the year/ perennial probowler for them, the Philly media can pump out articles every month for the next 3 years about how Chip is going to trade for Mariota. They won’t have to do any real reporting for the foreseeable future.
My thing is if Chip was so hell-bent on getting Mariota whatever the cost then wouldn’t the time to trade Foles have been last offseason coming off his 27-2 season? If if you say well Howie was in charge then, Kelly was still the coach and decides who plays in the games. If you want Mariota, then you start Barkley and all the backups in Game 17 last year and give the Giants the win. Then you’re probably drafting at 16 instead of 20 and the move up is at least slightly easier.
I’m still pissed about that Giants game.
Worst decision Chip has made in his two years here in my opinion.
I get why he did it but I still hate it.
The Philadelphia Eagles does NOT throw games. What the fuck are we, the Knicks? Eagles win, end of discussion.
If #culture is the most important part of rebuilding the team then you have to embody the “Win the Day” mantra as the head coach to get players to buy in. May not have any effect on players attitudes, but I understand completely why Kelly approaches the game like he does.
You are painting a picture of a GM who knows what he wants and is good maximizing value in order to get it.
Chip Kelly is only one of those things.
Unfortunately, I don’t see any proof that could debate your statement, and that’s scary
Kelly pays retail and I think he’ll do it again tonight. Just a question of how high the price will be and if the Eagles will get the same level of butthurt they did in the Bradford deal where Kelly got taken to the cleaners.
Losing the Giants game would basically mean we have to pay 1 less first round pick trading up for him.. That loss was literally worth one 1st rounds pick in the Marriota sweepstakes.. I
Yup and still arguably the dumbest thing Kelly has done here as the coach. Served zero purpose.
Except, you know, we won the game, which is unto itself the “purpose.”
But it is more than that. Do you think players want to play for a team that so discounts the work they put in all season as to tank the last game, while still subjecting them to risk of injury, in the name of possibly moving up a few spots to possibly draft someone who might one day take their job? Do you think Murray would have picked the Eagles seeing they didn’t have enough pride to take down a division rival?
If a coach is putting players at risk on the field, it better be to win. Otherwise, let the organization man up, forfeit, and deal with the consequences. Tanking is for cowards and losers.
Exactly…and although it might not change anything for a player like DeSean, it might have a big impact on a player that lives and dies football (the type of players we’re trying to get). It’s hard to ask a player to sacrifice his own interests for a team (play on a deal that he’s not happy with, play without an extension and financial security, or to play hurt especially if they’re coming up on a contract year) when the head coach doesn’t do the same thing. Got to embody the traits and culture you want in your team as the Head Coach.
Totally agree ATG. You can flush the “win the day” mantra if you go the NBA route.
On a more philosophical level, I think we’ve begun to warp our fundamental outlook on sports once we start talking about strategically losing games for the sake of some meta-game ultimate goal. We’ve placed winning the super bowl so high up on a pedestal we’ve sort of lost sight of the fact that the superbowl is a bonus indulgence of entertainingly crowning someone the best team as a service to the sport in general, not the purpose of the sport. If you let those thing get switched up it severely damages the sport. If we don’t value a good hard-fought victory over a hated rival (to complete the sweep) just because it doesn’t marginally increase the odds of the team winning a super bowl in following years, we’ve lost perspective of why we watch football.
I can watch a game with no stakes (no football game has any real stakes, those are all made up and embraced as real), I can’t enjoy a football game played half-heartedly.
I’m not totally sure the difference between 20 and 17 or wherever we would have picked is the difference between an extra 1st round pick. Probably more the difference between an extra 3rd round pick. But, if Chip’s really prepared to give up 3 first round picks, Cox and Kendricks (plus essentially the 2nd he gave up for Bradford), then is an extra 3rd really gonna stop him.
Bottomline, at this point…only one thing will determine if Mariota will be an Eagle. If the Titans aren’t sold on Mariota and want to trade the pick, the Eagles will make the best offer. If they love Mariota, it doesn’t matter where our first round pick is this year, they were gonna take him anyways.
I don’t think he was hell bent until he saw the play this year.
This! If Foles repeats his 27-2 esque performance than Mariota is moot and we can focus on improving the rest of the team. And, despite being hell bent on getting Mariota I think Chip is even more hell bent on winning at all costs and adhering to his win the day mantra. If you’re number one desire is to instill a culture of “Win the Day!” and win at all costs and focus on the day at hand, you need to embody that from the top down. Can’t expect players to buy into that culture and not adhere to it yourself as the head coach.
Think I know why Tommy does not have a new article up yet… new pictures of Megan Fox in schoolgirl outfit just hit the web… Come on Tommy, focus! It is draft day!
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/04/30/0430-megan-fox-wig-splash-pcn-3.jpg
TMZ kind of nailed it – cross between a robot sex doll and a young Jenna Jameson.
You had me at jenna…
Had me at “nailed”.
Who are you people and where are my pants?
Just reminded me what true love is like.
I was just about to to touch my Cox but I couldn’t find it!
Seattle – La’el Collins
Seahawks have 11 picks in the 2015 draft — the most of any team — including:
– 3 in the 4th
– 2 in the 5th
– 3 in the 6th
Seems like one of those would be a good time to take a chance on LC — with a press release loaded with lots of different ways of saying “he’s innocent until proven guilty” . . . and “hell, he’s a 1st Rd value in Rd **.”
Was busy moving since last Saturday and had the internet turned on a few minutes ago. The draft never crossed my mind. My first stop was here. Talk about waking up on Xmas morning.
,Welcome back fucker,.. You missed an emotional ROLLERCOASTER of rumors that isn’t close to being over
Thanks, actually glad I missed it.
Profootballtalk.com’s Mike Florio passes along a “rumor” that the Eagles
have now set their sights on acquiring the No. 1 overall pick.
That’s a troll-level post, but it’s draft day.
Perhaps TB is more reasonable than TEN. A lot of the players the Eagles are shopping are better fits with TB than TEN.
Touch my Cox and die
What about your Johnson?
Die
Doubt it, they are paying Gerald McCoy 100mil already, they won’t bene able to afford investing in extending cox with how much they have invested in the DT position already… They would like Kendricks and Curry more I assume, but I doubt expiring contracts have as much value as our fans wish they did
If I had a nickel for every time I said that…
…I’d have like two nickels. Still, it is weird that it happened twice.
Chip’s been talking to the Bucs for a while. Lukewarm discussions as they worry about Bradford’s health. (anon – THIS is a troll-level post!)
Let’s just get crazy and assume Chip has talked to teams like the Jets to find out what it would take to move up to six and can work out a trade with Tampa that would give them the necessary compensation to move back up to 6, while still getting even more picks and could still end up with Winston since Tennessee and the other teams in the top 5 might not be comfortable with his character concerns.
That’s interesting for a few reasons, but the thing that I find most interesting about it is that no one has considered what would happen if Winston didn’t go first overall to Tampa.
A couple of us were talking yesterday about how weird it is that Winston has gotten such a free pass from all his red flags. I mean the guy has more red flags than a Chinese Communist New Years Parade and threw 18 INTs in a relatively short college season. It seems crazy that it’s such a foregone conclusion that he’s the consensus number 1 pick.
If he didn’t go number 1 overall, how far would he fall. With so many teams certain that Tampa would take him, have they done the extensive background work to clear all his red flags…enough to make him the face of the franchise? He could, in all honesty, tumble down the draft board if we trade up to #1. Tampa could conceivably still get Winston after trading back if he falls down the draft.
Maybe this is why Tampa has been so eager to spread the rumor that they’d take Winston. It keeps other teams from doing the work necessary to clear his issues and might allow them to move back, get some extra compensation to mitigate the character risk they are taking on and still get there man.
Just a thought…
This very possibility — in light of Tampa’s continued silence about the identity of their 1st pick and the seeming lack of equal due diligence by any other team — was kicked around earlier today.
For example, maybe the Jets want to move up to No. 1 for Dante Fowler. Tampa could slide back to the 6-spot and, presumably, still get Winston — because no else seems to want him.
The wrinkle could be TN. Do the Titans like Winston more than anyone else on their board . . . and more than ZMet?
But it does seem to the public that no team besides Tampa is especially interested in Winston.
I wouldn’t say Marriota is dead, I would say trading with the Titans is dead. If they don’t draft him, which I have a hard time believing they will agyer hearing they are sold on Mettemberger, I can def see Marriota falling a bit and finding a more reasonable team like the jags or jets who would t mind getting a RB.. They can trade back get a franchise RB and a few picks from us…
I think that idea that the titans are going to be for sale is a pretty big reason they need a name at qb like mariota to make the price better
Where did you hear that the Titans are sold on Mettenberger? Not being antagonistic, just haven’t seen that reported with the type of assuredness that you seem to have that it’s a fact.
if the Bucs and Titans don’t pick Marriota, the draft becomes really interesting, because we aren’t prepared for THOSE scenarios… Only rumors we hear are involving going up to #2… We may find much more reasonable partners if Marriota falls a few spots, especially if a team actually likes a player they can get around #20 like MELVIN Gordon.l.
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If Chip can get Marriota without trading Cox, Logan, Kendricks or Curry, good for him.,,..if not, trade back twice, take Bryce Petty, and stack the roster for the Bradford era..
If I’m a GM of either Bucs or Titans I’m taking the USC beast. By far safest pick.
If you’re Howie Roseman you have to be thinking there’s NO WAY Chip randomly asked you to reorganize the chinstrap drawer tonight…
Howie is in the war room
I was making an attempt at jest, my friend.
JEST WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
GEAGLE-BOT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND HUMOR
As frenzies go this MM chatter has been a grand imam. I am astonished that so many comments seem to be conceding that Kelly has already given away the store to have his way. Is this a case of “everyone believes it so it must be true?” Or are the billion or so unattributed, unsubstantiated, unconfirmed mentions by “journalists” enough to generate an immutable momentum? If I am to remain a fan of Chip Kelly, here is what must not happen: 1)He must not attempt to meet the HUGE demands of any GM in order to move up to draft MM; 2) He must not mortgage the future as he said he would not; and 3) If he trades away ANY starters, he should not expect a pat on the back unless he acquires superior replacements.
Before the offseason…in fact, all the way back to the last game of the season, people assumed Chip was in love with Mariota and would make a strong push for him. Most of the moves so far have made perfect sense if the final outcome ended up with us getting Mariota. It’s clear that Chip absolutely loves the kid and thinks he’s an ideal QB for his system. QB is the most important position in the entire sport and the Eagles are nowhere near set or even comfortable at that spot. Then, these guys (all of which I might add called this a pipe-dream months ago) have come around to thinking it’s more than likely with all the whispers and info that they are hearing. I think there’s more than enough smoke at this point to assume the fire isn’t just a self-fulfilling prophecy because people want to believe in it so badly.
I think you have explained the rationale of the masses who digest and regurgitate the storyline, but I also think it is convenient to say that most of Kelly’s moves thus far perfectly fit that storyline. Why pay a ransom for SB when MM is your target? The fact that Kelly loves MM is not lost on me, but I don’t think ANY thing that he has done so far would explain a gutting of the defense or a mortgaging of the future. There seems to be widespread belief that Kelly will be reckless and ruthless to get what he wants, and to me, that is all in the minds of on-lookers and not in the actions of the coach (yet).
That’s what you say now, but it seems most fans have only needed around 12-24 hours to justify the horrible moves he’s made so far and hop right back on the Kelly bandwagon.
I’m not in that camp. I believe the coach when he states his high opinion of Bradford and I really find the reaction of so many fans – that Bradford is NOT the answer – to be premature. I was okay w/the Shady money dump – it liberated some capital to go toward Shady’s replacements and DB’s. I don’t share your view that his moves have been horrible, but I may yet be convinced if these MM delusions become reality.
That is all he has been saying since Chip was made GM.
Okay, punks, I’m out! I just want to tell you good luck, we’re all counting on you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMoH55T-oI
And now for something completely different (Monty Python music): 49ers are getting all black alternate uniforms, and they are not anywhere close to looking as cool as Eagles’.
Chargers are OUT of MM race.
https://twitter.com/UTKevinAcee/status/593904131317760000
“Extension” tee-hee
What are u hearing?
This x1000
Cox was not included in previous potential trade discussions with the Bucs. Now he is. So the Bucs are more than lukewarm. Besides, these discussions with the Bucs puts pressure on the Titans.
can’t sell a team with Winston at the helm!
If the Eagles end up with Mariota it’s finally time for some new jerseys. Don’t like midnight green anymore.
How about yellow?
Kelly Green would do it.
The original Kelly greens would be awesome, but I’d still settle for the recent ones
You mean the throwbacks? I am tired of the midnight green ones!
no I mean the kelly green throwbacks the Randall jersey that wasn’t midnight greg friend
Good!
Cool man thought you were going there for a bit
https://youtu.be/2txArOEsLPc
I always wondered if they were German.
Meaning new team to follow??
Might like himself in navy blue?.
your mariotta jersey will be light blue
In Peru checking in. Will someone post and tell me what happens. Is draft now?
Nah another hour
longest hour ever…is this what Einstein was talking about when he talked about Time Dilation?
Oh that stinks. Thx. I’ll check in later afterwards.
But rivers signed extension? So us and maybe browns?
Lucky, it starts in exactly 1 hour from right now!
Ugh, the amount of pressure on this kid if we trade the ransom it would take to get him…
No one can survive those kind of expectations. Kid will be doomed from the start.
MM has a warrior mentality. His mental toughness really impressed Chip.
Before people start the bullshit Fletcher Cox to the BUcs rumors, please remember they have 100miillon invested in one defensive Tackle already…at least make thebullshit you invent logical, thanks
Vinny Curry and Mychal Kendricks make a lot of sense for them though.
Unfortunateky, yes…. But I think expiring contracts ARENT as valuable as our fans wish/think they are…. To make them Valuable KEndricks would have to agree to an extension with them IMO
I really want to see if the Titans draft Marriota or pass on him… I hope the Titans are forced to reveal their hand.
I really hope you take a moment before the draft starts to reflect on how things will get heated once it starts, and try to remember to keep the profane language and violent sexual imagery to a minimum.
Blow meplease get off my dick… Enough, how many bitches posts do I have to minimize. Jesus Christ
Language
GEAGLE-BOT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND CAUSE AND EFFECT.
GEAGLE-BOT DOESN’T RECOGNIZE IRONY.
geez chip is going off
What happened
talking with the bucks is big
Doubt it.. Just adding to the game of chicken with the Titans I assume… Someone’s bluffing right now.. I hope chip makes the Titans reveal their hand… F it, if they draft him you have another hour TIL we pick to try and get them to trade him.. But force them to take him if they have the balls.. You don’t do all this rnonsense over a franchise QB you love,. If they loved MM, no need for any of these games… Force the Titans to draft or pass on him, and if they take him, you continue to negotiate.. If not. The price just got cheaper
Kapadia has an observation.
https://twitter.com/SheilKapadia/status/593912804484210688
Ha It’s Obama v the republicans.
Eagles fans are either going to be either really, really happy or really, really upset after tonight. Maybe both.
Let’s predict the poster on here who will be the most upset and happy tonight!
I will probably be most happy. I’ve already prepared myself for the probable outcome that Chip gives away far too much for Mariota, and I’m comfortable with that.
In other words, I am so pessimistic about Chip’s abilities as a GM, that if he demonstrates even a little bit of competence I’ll be thrilled.
What would you consider too much? I’m okay with 2 1sts(hopefully one acquired by trading Bradford), a 2nd, and any likely player to be traded outside of Cox.
No way the Birds get off that easy, but sure, I’d be more than ok with that.
Ain’t gonna happen bro
Then I don’t want it to. Mariota = no sure thing.
Mate. I’m so with you. But chip will shock eagles nation.
Just curious. You don’t want Kelly to chase MM, but you think he will in a big way, and you want him to give up Bradford to get there? So Sanchez at QB, and loss of many picks in next year’s draft is preferable to Bradford and however many more picks will be surrendered ?
4 beers down in 65 minutes.
Tonight is more like a whiskey night for me
Why so few?
Idk. I blame my anxiety.
Can you please extrapolate this to pick #20 though. Quick!
Yeah, that could be a problem. I work in eight hours…..
I’ll be asleep by then n
I’m thinking a three hour power nap will……not help me at all. I’ll be ruined tomorrow. Way to old for this.
I think the Titans don’t want Mariota. With all the intrigue about teams wanting him badly, if they truly coveted MM they would have a huge incentive to trade with TB to guarantee they get him. It wouldn’t take much to move from #2 to #1 in this situation.
interesting point!
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
1m1 minute ago
ESPN’s @BobHoltzmanESPN reports Bears have spoken with Titans about No. 2 overall pick, but Tenn not interested in Jay Cutler.
Evan Silva
@evansilva
2m2 minutes ago
ESPN’s Bob Holtzman reported #Eagles & #Bears are making “a late push” to acquire No. 2 pick from #Titans. CHI wants to send Cutler to TEN.
From your twitter feed are other people doing crazy things to get mariota? Who would we be givng the bears?
Bears and Eagles the most mentioned lately. Browns reported to hope to come out of draft with one of Mariota or Bradford. Unreliable rumor that Saints could be involved. Jets, Rams lurking. Chargers out.
The loopy owner of the Titans stated months ago that Cutler belonged back home in Tennessee. Bears would love to see Jay in a Titans uniform, but are they in the MM stakes? If Titans want Cutler, Bears are in the driver’s seat.
I really can’t grasp the concept of loving Marcus Marriota as a franchise QB so much that you would spend the #2 pick on him, yet be willing to trade him.. I don’t understand how both can be true, so one has to be a lie…
Me either.
You could think that Mariota has a strong chance to be a franchise QB but nothing is a lock and taking the Eagles’ massive pick/player package is a better bet on the risk/reward scale than drafting Mariota.
If a QB is so valuable that we should trade half our defense..then he is THAT valuabe to the Titans too. I don’t believethat Marriota to them is better then Mettenberger and Leonard. I need to see it to believe it… Please call tbeir bluff
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially if the beholder is of the delusional opinion that Zach Mettenberger is the next Tom Brady
Why, are they going to start running Chip Kelly’s offense?
Duck it. I will be happy.
Where’s Tommy? Thought there’d be a new post by now.
He’s dreaming about Megan Cox.
So dumb that they are introducing all the prospects… Shut up and get this started.. They will get their moment when they get drafted
lol @ all the fans screaming “DO THE DEAL!” at chip during his appearance.
leaving the office now, gonna put the pedal to the metal to get home, strapped in and ready for the ride once the draft begins
What appearance?
http://teamstre.am/1HVUjt8
Eagles Fans Chant ‘Do the Deal’ at Chip Kelly Before 2015 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report
via ble.ac/teamstream-
Guys I do not thing we are going to do the thing.
think you nailed it!
FTFY thing you nailed it!
Everything is possible right now!!
Is the draft over yet?
Wake me up if we get Mariota
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Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
2m2 minutes ago
Everything I’ve heard is that Philly’s offer to Tennessee is very substantial. Still seems like the sweet spot to me
Takes some Balls to be the Bears and call up the team with the #2 pick offering a package with Jay Cutler lol, as if he isn’t a bad enough QB, his contract might be the worst. Bang for your Buck in Football
come on chip show us your balls!
Come on chip, Show us your brains!!
the timeless battle
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
26s27 seconds ago
Thru my calls, heard Nelson Agholor connected to Miami, Houston, Kansas City over the last few days. Good bet to be the 4th receiver to go.
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I’m going to miss Fletcher Cox.
wha
Doubt that’s true but assuming that also includes 20, then that compensation is acceptable.
TAKE IT AND RUN CHIP!
Keep cox, curry and Mykal and they can do whatever they. Want as far as I’m concerned
Kind of doubt the veracity, normally only find out a trade happened just before it’s announced, then the fine details are found out later
You doubt the infallible Robin Austin?
She’s a producer for the Tony Bruno show and therefore would have some contacts in the sporting world. Still doubt it’s correct.
I thought Bradford told Condon that he would NOT sign an extension with anybody but Philly. Why would anybody take that risk?
Robin Austin@MissRobinAustin
May I remind ppl that not all sources r reliable,but am putting out there what I heard from supposed insider. Don’t freak out! #NFLDraft
Now disclaimer so it sounds lame
The current reports say that if Tennessee doesn’t work out a trade, the feeling in the draft room is that they’ll be content to sit at 2 and take Mariota. Really? Does that sound right to anyone else? How do you take a QB #2 overall to be the face of your franchise. Putting your eggs in his basket for the foreseeable future, that you’re “content” or “ok” with or whatever other luke warm adjective you put on it? I just don’t believe that the Titans really want Mariota.
Agree that’s BS. They’ll trade with someone.
So I’m here in Brazil, anyone have an “alternative” method for watching this thing play out?
Live on NFL.com?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/live?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-live to be specific
Thanks, I had actually been looking for an NFL.com live feed and couldn’t find it :p.
It’s somewhat hidden in the draft mini-site, since they’re giving it away for free I guess they want people to buy gamepass for NFL Network
http:\www.p2p4u.net
“My advice is to start drinking heavily.”
To LOSE a player like Cox will be the worst draft experience imaginable, I’d rather draft Danny Watkins again
Sports!
Balls!
yeah that better be front office bs. id hate to see fletch go
I would rather not get our pick in on time and waste the 20th pick then to trade Cox for a prospect
The draft is here friends
here we come multiple superbowls
Best to luck to everybody. Hope no one suffers from heart attack, depression or suicidal thoughts or actions.
Haha, especially actions. Remember, you have friends who can help if Chip trading up to #2 to take Byron Jones causes you to enter a homicidal rage.
My GF said she was going to strap me to the couch and duct tape my mouth. I don’t think the straps could hold me back from killing myself if we got Winston.
Chip won’t appreciate having a person taped to him on such an important night, but it could work.
Lol my phone changed couch to coach.
I probably shouldn’t be watching the draft standing on this roof ledge.
When are they putting the Bucs on the clock? I thought this started prompt at 8 EST.
It’s happening guys. These rumored offers are insane. No way TEN says no.
love Gooddell getting straight booed on stage. Draft time!
Can’t imagine a single person ever cheering for that dude
Do the damn thing!
Bucs on the clock!
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewh it begiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins!
No ruining hte picks please guys!
The last time the NFL draft was in Chicago was 1964.
The Eagles selected number two, and drafted future Hall of Fame offense of tackle Bob Brown.
Would be nice to repeat history and get a Hall of Famer
Hopefully the auditorium treats us better than Soldier Field, that place has a hex on the Eagles
Is Mayock not hosting on NFL network? that’s a drag.
I have him and the usual crew on Sky, but not on the live feed via the website. Mayock already sounds hoarse.
im stuck with ESPN.. ugh.
new thread up
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
43s44 seconds ago
Late check around, and it still looks like Marcus Mariota will be a Titan. We’ll all know soon.
NEW THREAD
thanks for the heads up!
boo
Thank duck for that.
Kelly got cox blocked!