Kendricks on the Block
Posted: April 29th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 347 Comments »Sadly, this isn’t shocking news.
Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) April 29, 2015
For whatever reason, the Eagles aren’t as high on Mychal Kendricks as fans and the media. That is frustrating because Kendricks is clearly a good LB and the Eagles have struggled to draft and develop LBs in recent years (since the Magna Carta was signed, give or take).
While I don’t want to see Kendricks go, this is the right move if the current coaches aren’t committed to him. The worst thing would be to have him play this year and then walk in free agency, getting no compensation in return.
It would be great to get a 2nd round pick for Kendricks, but I don’t know how likely that is. You would hope the Eagles could get a 3rd round pick for him. Another possibility would be to use Kendricks to trade up in a round.
Obviously some see this as connected to Marcus Mariota, but I don’t think that is necessarily the case. The Eagles would like to add an ILB to the mix to replace Kendricks.
I think the player they really like is Stephone Anthony from Clemson. Here is the full scouting report on him from Tyler Aston.
How does Tyler see Anthony as a fit for the Eagles?
Has great size and athleticism, but is going to need some time to develop. Best when allowed to attack downhill and not make complex reads. Needs to be taught how to effectively play zone defense. He’s not the most instinctive player so this pick comes with some risk. Will likely need to be used in an attacking only role (similar to how Najee Goode was deployed against the Packers in 2013) early in his career, but has high ceiling due to athletic abilities. Currently a “see ball, get ball” type of player who is probably a better athlete than football player.
I like Anthony quite a bit as well. I think he’ll actually go in the 2nd round. Anthony is a terrific size/speed prospect and we know that is important to the Eagles. Chip Kelly and Bill Davis went to his Pro Day. The Eagles had dinner with him the night before the Pro Day. That shows serious interest in my book.
Anthony is a good leader and comes across as a high character player. He feels like the guy you want in the middle of your defense, running the show. I bet the Eagles would love to draft him and add him to the LB mix. One interesting benefit is that Anthony might be able to play some snaps at OLB if needed. He is a good blitzer and athlete, and has the bulk to play on the edge situationally.
There are plenty of other good ILBs in the draft so it isn’t as if they have to get Anthony. I just get the feeling he’s one they really like.
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Two #Eagles defenders who teams believe could be had for the right price: DB Brandon Boykin & LB Mychal Kendricks.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 29, 2015
No surprise here either.
Like Kendricks, Boykin is in the final year of his deal. If the Eagles aren’t committed to him, make the trade and get something in return.
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It is utterly frustrating to see the team draft and develop talent, only to have a new staff come in and not value those players in the same way. That is part of the problem with changing coaches, especially one like Chip Kelly who has definitive thoughts on what he wants in his players.
Coaches like Kelly need to get their types of guys.
The pressure is on for him to now replace 2 good players who don’t happen to fit his ideal mold. Finding his type of guys won’t be hard. Having them play at a Pro Bowl type of level is a huge challenge, though. If Chip can’t do that, some fans are going to hold this against him for a long time.
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Jimmy Bama and I did an Eagles draft preview show last night. It went almost 2 hours.
Right now: A brand new Iggles Pod! @JimmyKempski & @lawlornfl go round by round & look at potential #Eagles targets http://t.co/wJZIaka5oz
— Liberty Broadcast (@LibertyPods) April 29, 2015
We went round by round and listed potential targets for the Eagles in each one. Good show.
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My only problem is right here;
https://twitter.com/SheilKapadia/status/593534284608114689
I cannot stand giving away players for below appropriate value. That will always leave you in a worse spot than if you got more compensation for them.
what about losing players while getting zero value ?
He also stupidly did that with DeSean, so what is your point?
That is the point.
The point is trade guys for value on the level you should get back or don’t get rid of them. Especially if word got out you’re trying to trade the guy.
At least Howie could usually get above market value
Totally. My “par” for trading away guys is a tough standard.
You have to be willing to walk away If you don’t get appropriate value. If GMs know you will just cave and end up taking what you can get we will always get fleeced
ehhh, he also gained a lot of cap space. You know chip adds that into the equation.
He can add it all he likes, DeSean was adding TDs against us and we could have used an extra draft pick.
no one was trading for him. He was my fav player, and trust ,e no one was trading for him.
Yup..really dumb to piss on “value”.. You can get done what you need to respecting value, bluffing, being patient… Impulsive, take what I can get now methodology is crackhead behavior at worst, amateur at best… Have the patience to accomplish what you need to while respecting value and getting your money’s worth… It’s the direct opposite of Hinkie.
well he could try harder.. not get anything for him, have a player on his team he doesnt like, and then lose him for nothing.
No, he could simply let information of that type get out, play poker better, and move the guy for more value.
who said he let any info out? Who says he isnt playing poker? it seems if chip is doing anything right now its playing poker lol
We’ll find out soon in either case. Anything less than a two and this was done poorly.
Tommy, why would you blast me with a new podcast AND the Anthony breakdown! I gots stuff to do so I can enjoy tomorrow!
Deal with it. Handle yo business son.
Really hope teams won’t give us enough to go thru with these trades, but if you are a Marriota fan this is exactly what you need to happen, It’s a pipe dream to think you can include players in a trade up to #2, Teams want to be showered with picks..,
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So you either have to Acquire more epics to trade, or acquire enough picks to be left with because you are about to give away a ton,,
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if we are trying to tre kendricks and Boykins I would assume we already worked out a deal with the Briwns, because there is NO Mariotta without ATleast 1 more 1st round pick and there is no first round pick without the Browns,.
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Personally I hope teams don’t give us enough value to get it done thus we don’t go thru with it, draft Bryce Petty to learn behind Bradfird and use the picks to build the team
I don’t mind getting rid of a guy you don’t want and who won’t be here long term. I’d rather a 2nd rounder this year than a 5th round comp pick or worse in 2016. I just want top value for my player.
At the end, as long as we get fair compensation I probably won’t complain… I can’t stand disrespecting value,
If there was a comp pick it would be in 2017 – the year after he would leave in free agency.
Comp picks this year were awarded based on free agency last year.
Assume CK is a MM fan…
wait, if kendricks walks after next year what would be the comp pick??
We’d have to lose more guys than we gained in order to get comp picks. Very risky set of factors.
I dunno after last free agency I would expect a quiet free agent market next year… Just like we were very quiet in year two after signing all those knew players year one….
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I could see being very quiet next year depending on what we accomplish this weekends in which case next year could be the perfect time to shoot for compensatory… But you still should be able to get a higher pick now, but you can get another year of service and a decent pick of we plan on being passive next year which is what I would assume after all this years changes
If Cox, Boykins, Kenricks, Mathis, etc. are all gone for draft picks…………….. there will be $ to spend.
Can’t believe another day of this shit… I’m ready to learn our fate now and be done with this
True, we gotta find a way to Roll $20m
If Bradford is used in a Mariota deal that in itself will free up cash both this year and next; this year’s could carry into next year.
Comp picks are complicated. Eagles could not sign any key free agents and would have to lose more players than they signed. And that would give you a late 3rd at the very best.
Exactly. So get the 2nd rounder for the guy.
Or you can possibly get another year of service and pick at the end of round 3 next year if we have a quiet free agent market which I would assume after all this years changes
Do you think Kendrics gets a big enough deal to net us a 3rd? I don’t see that.
26-32 I would assume, no? What’s Lavonte David getting? Bobby wagoners extension should be coming… He is on par with those LB from his year
Mike Wallace level deals get you a 3rd for comparison. David’s deal wouldn’t get us up that high.
I doubt he would be the only free agent we would lose… ISNT it a combined total of what you lose compared to a total of what you sigń in FA?….someone should try to calculate one day what letting our talent walk next year compared to signing equivalent of last years quiet offseason where we get a starting safety a backup CB and two ST players, and calculate what type of compensation we would be looking at.., probably too late to do it now that we are about to trade the guys anyway…
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But let’s say then the question would be a 2nd rounder now, or a 4-5th at the worst after another year of service? I’m not opposed to the 2nd, just don’t let it be like the last 5 picks of round 2
I’d take the last pick of this year’s 2nd round over any compensatory pick they could get next year.
Depends on the QB… Do I get healthy Bradford for 16 games? Lol then I’ll take a year of service and a late 4th comp pick…. IF we rebuild with a rookie or Bradford gets hurt in week 4, take the 2nd rounder…. And it should be dictated by asking a magic 8 ball
A bird in the hand………………
Give me the better pick now.
The way chip is a risk to piss away value, if you can get a 2nd probably take it and run before he changes his mind and gives him away for a practice squad player from oregon..
ha ha ha ha ha ha. I need to reserve judgement on the picks until I see them.
If Kendricks left after this year and they didn’t sign any free agents, they would get the compensatory pick in 2017 not next year.
Basically you can get a 2nd now, or at best a pick between the end of round 3 and the beginning of round 4(best case scenario)
Pretty sure no comp if his contract is up and he is an unrestricted free agent.
I thought the biggest knock on Kendricks was that he attacked downhill, helter-skelter and couldn’t/didn’t make complex reads. Now there’s talk of drafting a rookie who does the same things?
Or they’re after that big dude from Miss State Bedarik McKinney (or however you spell his name).
Know who you mean but haven’t seen as much about him recently.
I hear you. I’m just trying to say they might be looking for a different body type / style at ILB.
Hm. Someone suggested running a 3-5-3 defense! A nose, couple of ends, 5 assorted LBs and Safeties. Then 2 Corners and a nickel. Could work! Would make everyone on the offensive side of the ball fall about laughing! ;~D
Bill Davis wold assume 3-5-3 meant that only guys with the numbers 3 and 5 could play.
Maybe they want more of a bruiser since Alonso would be more of the speed/cover guy. I just assumed they wanted two very athletic ILB.
While it was also a weakness it was also a strength because he was so good at attacking downhill. Defense was much better and more explosive with him then without him.
He’s young too. Just can’t understand the need to dump him then replace him with a clone.
The only thing I can think of is that Kendricks is 5’11 and Anthony is 6’3.
I’ll die laughing if he trades Kendricks tonight and draft Kendricks tomorrow just to have a kendrick for cheaper lol…. Ackward family thanksgiving,. Lil bro took my job and got me shipped to Oakland LOL
The thought did occur to me that this could happen. Doubt it though
Atleast I could respect it being all about the money. Don’t tell me Mykal isn’t tall enough
Right? In three years, how many times have we been burned because MK couldn’t handle a jump ball because of his height? I can remember zero times that that has happened.
Whenever someone said Kendricks was going to be traded I just chalked it up as nonsense. I guess now it’s true. I was really with everything this off season except giving up next year’s 2nd round pick for Bradford and now this. You just really have to ask are we just creating new holes after fixing others.
I live in Nashville. The local sports radio has Floyd Reese on. He is a former Titans GM. For what it’s worth here’s his take on possible trade scenarios for the Titans.
For the Browns to trade up to number two: this years 2 number one picks, a second round pick this year, a fourth round pick this year, next years first round pick and next years second round pick
For the Eagles to trade up to number two: this years first round pick, Sam Bradford, this years third round pick, next year’s first round pick.
This is what he said he’d be asking for and expecting to get a little less than this.
Basically giving away half the building blocks.
I would do that deal… We get MM and keep all our young defenders..In would be fine with that, even if I would prefer Bradford and Bryce Petty.. And we can trade back from round 2 and get a 3rd rounder back . Don’t even want MM and I’m fine with that deal lol, just don’t fuck with the defense
If we could keep this year’s third. I’d do it in a heart beat
I can’t do that…………… unless I have a 2nd coming back for Kendricks. A 4th for Boykins…………………. and a 2016 #1 for Cox.
yup
We wouldn’t have to trade any of our plauers except Bradford.
I don’t even want MM and Im down with that…
I would do that. Fletcher Cox not in the deal? Sure I would.
You’d, in theory, need to flip Cox to get some draft picks back in the mix to put around Mariota long term.
If you can work the deal so you keep our 3rd, we only give up next year’s first rounder.
As long as we keep our 2nd rounder we can Prob trade back and get another 3rd or 4th back… If we can do the trade without Cox, I would be furious to see us turn around and trade him elsewhere for picks.. He is one of th best players in the NFL under the age of 25.. You don’t trade him if you can get a QB without including him.. Chip will become Braman to me if he gives away Cox
At THIS POINT, with how much chip scares the bejesus out of me, I’ll take MM for any trade with No Cox and Curry in it
Time for the annual “Ten Foot Pole” list!
Here are my “do not touch” guys in no particular order and – as usual – with no particular reason.
JAMEIS WINSTON (QB – FSU)
Everyone points to Winston’s off-the-field behavior but it’s his on-the-field decision-making that troubles me: Winston elected to throw a game-winning touchdown in the last minute of the 2014 BCS Championship right in front of me and my Auburn-loving in-laws, forcing the world’s most awkward car ride home. I don’t want that level of immaturity on my team.
AMARI COOPER (WR – ALABAMA)
Sure he’s fast and sudden and runs amazing routes but do we really need another Cooper? We’re trying to build a championship team, not a bunch of barrels.
SHANE RAY (DE/OLB – MISSOURI)
Obviously I’m skeptical whenever the police stop a black man in Missouri but getting caught with weed three days before the draft? More like SHAME Ray!!! Amirite?!?!?
DEVIN FUNCHESS (WR/TE – MICHIGAN)
I’m generally leery of a player with two positions but I’m ALWAYS leery of a player with a paradox for a last name. Fun-Chess? Not possible… even if you were playing “strip chess” against Kate Upton. NOTE: If Devin would simply drop the “ESS” from his last name it’d be a different story… in my line of work “FUNCH” equals lunch + alcohol.
MARCUS PETERS (CB – U OF WASHINGTONISH)
If anyone gets to choke an Eagles coach it should be a long-suffering fan, not an early round corner with ironically smallish hands.
OWAMAGBE ODIGHIZUWA (DE – UCLA)
I have nothing against him as a player but typing his name for the next five years would cause acute carpal tunnel. And before you even think it, no, we can’t just skate by with a nickname like “Odie” or “O-Squared” or even a fun anagram like “Wad A Gumbo Hoagie Wiz!”
GARRETT GRAYSON (QB – COLORADO STATE)
G.G. throws a nice long ball and features two prep-school first names but after spending the last four years in Fort Collins he might unwittingly doom the entire roster to drug suspensions on contact highs alone.
KEVIN WHITE (CB – TCU)
Remember on your birthday when – after weeks of whining for a Lion-O action figure – your well-intentioned grandmother gave you the dollar-store version, Lion-Man? That’s what taking the fake Kevin White would feel like. Lion-Man.
JOSUE MATIAS (OG – FSU)
Josue’s vertical jump? 17.5 inches. That means – on his best day – he can barely clear a legal pad. How is he supposed to block on the second level when simply stepping up onto a sidewalk is his Mount Everest? And let’s not forget the potential for risk: accidentally leaving his slippers in the hallway could be fatal. The only way to introduce a greater struggle with gravity into NovaCare would be to draft an actual black hole… which I don’t put past Chip Kelly.
JAMARCUS “J.J.” NELSON (WR – UAB)
Nelson tips the scales at 156 pounds, a measurement known in the metric system as a “half Cameron Erving.” To be fair, J.J. did run a dyn-o-mite 40 in 4.28 seconds, but it’s possible he was simply blown across the field by a fart.
This is pretty funny.
best. work. yet.
Oh man, that is outstanding analysis, Baloophi.
Thanks, AK! Good to see you on here…
lol, jesus christ he didn’t seriously have a 17 inch vertical did he?
17.5. Don’t cheat him out of that half-inch. (JOKES?)
He’s big, but he’s slow.
Classic.
You’re getting better year after year Baloophi – do you have a link to the previous years ones? Always a great laugh!
While there’s a certain poster on here constantly ripping Jimmy K. it seems that the latter will be right once again. #tradebait6
Who rips Jimmy? I like his work.
Just. Don’t. Ask. 😉
Ha ha. I’m brave. Really, who?
Stop it! Lol
Fine…its me
boooo for spoiling!!!
does it rhyme with wee beagle? or me seagull?
To be fair, said mystery poster doesn’t just rip Jimmy, he rips the entirity of the known universe.
True. Apart from himself. When he’s wrong sometimes.
It’s that old proverb that if you post enough, and in an authoritative enough tone, it doesn’t matter if you constantly contradict yourself, you can always be right (and always be wrong, simultaneously).
like in: ‘I am rarely wrong, but always right!’?
Ha ha ha ha. I prefer my outlook of “F everybody that isn’t Philly and continue the beatings until I can take off a Tuesday in February for a championship parade.”
http://www.amazon.com/How-Argue-Win-Every-Time/dp/0312144776
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/fan_shot_images/384072/CDxWAQeUMAAXuC4.jpg
But…who dat
We would have been #1 except for fans in Vorhees, Bridgeport, Ridley, and Oxford.
Or if GEAGLE upped his grammar game
Media can be such whores lol 24 hours away from the draft and NFL network didn’t have enough drama to talk about. They couldn’t help themselves from resisting to dust off one of the Big gun rumors, the old ” if the Browns get a QB DONT be surprised if Manziel ends up with the star on the side of his helmet”…
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If there is a draft God, we FINALLY get Manziel to the Cowboys. it’s the only thing that can counterbalance the embarressment of having TEBOW as an eagle..we have giant fans that laugh at us and I don’t know what to say.. How do you defend having TEBOW to opposing fans? The no Super Bowl argument was bad enough..
1) F you!
2) There is only one of me! Learn the difference between singular and plural bro!
If there is a draft God, I hope he doesn’t look like this…
Re Kendricks trade value:
Usually if teams placing a player on the trading block and asking for value of round x, they will mostly get nothing more than round x + 1 or 2.
Eagles will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him…
Booooooooooooooo. Gimmie a 2nd!
Ain’t happening. As much as I love it to.
That’s really not ideal.
Probably but if it were up to me I wouldn’t trade him for less than a 2nd (next year would be OK).
I’d be 100% fine with getting a 2nd next year. We lack one as is.
Yep, that’s what I had in mind
I really hate giving away young guys and signing up old guys. This is starting to make me crazy.replacing the 3 year talent with rookies is mostly insane. having old free agents and rookies that are all going to get fired in 2 years is just setting us up for years of misery
I’ve yet to see us add a free agent I didn’t like for big money. Also, outside of dumping my boy DeSean, I don’t think we got rid of guys we shouldn’t have.
I just would like to see more value come back when we do dump guys.
I would have rather kept Polk over either Mathews or Murray. They have a lot of tread on the tires, and that is a lot of cash for old guys that may have one or two years left. Same for Demeco. I hate to say it , but his best days are behind him. He may take this entire year to get to full speed, then he starts hitting the age wall really hard. Keeping him around this year would have been fine, but then keep grooming the next guy. Well, if Kendricks goes away, do we have faith that Marcus turns the corner, or the next rookie up is going to carry the water?
I like the idea of getting rid of a guy for something with one year left, but only when there is plenty of locking guys up before their first contract is done. It just feels like anyone who is at the end of their rookie deal is being jetisoned.
Yeah, the possible trend here is a little unsettling.
Do. Not. Worry.
Last time I checked Mariota is immune against cryptonite and can play DE, ILB and CB all at the same time. Who needs a defense if you have MM?!
i feel tons better now. We dont even need to stock 53 on gameday. think of all the extra room on the plane for MM and his entourage for the away games
I really hope whatever we do, we don’t do a deal with the Titans. There is no reason to give them anything they won’t take MM, Jaguars won’t take him, Raiders won’t take him, Skins won’t take him and they prolly let the Falcons come up for a pass rusher… Either do the deal with the Jets or the Bears whoever gives you the best deal because no one in the top 6 will take him when it comes down to it….. The only worry is some other dumb team trades up higher then they have to… But hopefully the teams bidding against each other are smart enough not to move up higher then they have to. There is No way the Titans will draft MM, so please don’t give them anything.. If we do a deal with the Titans we automatically lose because it’s higher then we need to go
I think you’ll be happy when Tampa takes Mariota #1
I will dance naked if tampa takes him. Give me Bradford with Bryce Petty learning behind him and build the roster with picks… it will make my draft to see MM go to Bucs, plus the added awesomeness of seeing Jameis fall out of the top spot
I’d take Green Bay’s 2. Their one would be a f-ing dream.
VALUE SET! Kendricks is worth, AT LEAST, Green Bay’s #1.
I don’t think getting GB’s 1st is feasible at all. 52 + Kendricks for 30 and maybe another late round pick might be workable.
No way. A reporter reported that we can get a 1 for Kendricks, so I’m sticking with it.
Did you just call ESP a reporter?
Good point. He’s employed by a news organization………….
Right on both counts Tommy, it is frustrating to see talented young guys go, and also Chip is going to catch hell if the guys he gets in don’t perform.
IMO it makes 0 sense to ship Kendricks since we don’t know if Meco is ever going to be able to play at an NFL level again. Achilles tears at his age are no joke, and he wasn’t the fastest LB to begin with.
If ‘Meco can’t go whats the plan? Acho starting? Najeh Goode? Neither of them are anywhere near Kendricks, regardless of how Chip values size.
Stephone Anthony I would think.
bleh, lets hope he can play.
He can.
Speaking of players in awkward situations . . .
La’el Collins.
What should he be doing?
P-O-L-Y-G-R-A-P-H.
If he hasn’t taken one, his lawyer is not especially sharp — and I’m thinking that Collins didn’t hire a guy just out of law school.
If he has taken one and passed, we’d be hearing about it.
That sound you hear is silence.
Is that still being done in the U.S.?
I just watched another episode of the Americans and that FBI agent has used a polygraph on his Russian lover. But that was in the 80s…
You have to go through a polygraph test to get a clearance with the feds. I think in some jobs at police depts too.
Edit: For anything over a secret clearance for the feds.
Are they using polygraphs in courts here?
Generally inadmissible
Yeah we still do polygraphs, but they’re not considered definitive proof of anything… Smart since they can be fooled.
And countermeasures against them are simple enough that anyone can be taught how to use them in less than an hour.
The old “push pin in the shoe” trick?
I don’t know if this is true or not but I remember reading that something as simple as biting your tongue hard can be enough to alter the results. Either way its crap science and for the life of me I don’t know why you would bother since the results are inconclusive in proof of either guilt or innocence.
I think it’s used more as a a technique in police departments to “encourage” confessions or get people who don’t want to “rat” to talk. Most people are unaware it’s junk science and (usually) inadmissible but I’ve seen detectives on shows like “The First 48” use the polygraph operator (another detective) to ask different questions and catch inconsistencies from previous versions. In other words, they use the process of taking a polygraph to get people to talk, and the more people talk, the more chances there are for new information to come out. I think that’s why generally the advice is to not say anything and to “lawyer up” regardless of your innocence. Detectives will say things like “this is your chance to share your side of the story” and “if you don’t say anything we’ll have to charge you with the crime” but the latter is often a bluff and the former is ultimately irrelevant – you never have to share your side of the story.
The Sexy KGB girl in Americans used to pinch her anus!
The strange thing is I would do the same when she was on screen.
That would be one way to create the tension that would not be detectable.
You have to recognize what a “control question” is which is used to set the baseline. If you can move the baseline then the results measured against the baseline will always be inconclusive.
Squeezing the buttocks was formerly the recommended method of moving the baseline, but more recently I’ve heard there are newer methods that do not involve physical means.
And control questions would be like:
“Is your name Baloophi?”
“Is today Wednesday?”
“Dez Bryant dropped that pass, right?”
‘The Americans’ is a great show.
Wouldn’t impress me because I think polygraphs are garbage science, but maybe it could help his P.R. standing.
Rae Carruth until proven otherwise.
What about forensic evidence or alibis? I haven’t read on his situation.
Also, do people in this position request polygraphs or do they offer to give one?
From what I read he has solid alibis that he was not near the scene, though I don’t know enough about the details to say for sure just how solid those alibis are.
As long as it isn’t, “He wouldn’t kill her, she rolled his blunts.”
Polygraphs aren’t admissible in all states, correct? More to the point, they’re often thought of as “junk science”, right? The utility seems more in the “encouraging a confession” than in proving guilt or innocence. I’m curious what your take is in terms of the law… and I guess, here, as a defense attorney…
I live in DC and everyone that works for the feds with a clearance higher than secret has to take a polygraph.
Still, I’m pretty sure it’s not really the best indicator of truth. I think it’s often used as it’s own test, as in “if someone refuses to take one then we’ll look further into their past,” etc. In one of my “try to fall asleep” Science Network shows I recall a scientist trying to push a more robust “lie detector” – electrodes for brain scans, etc. – which was certainly more accurate in detecting “deception.” Not disagreeing or anything here, just wondering if anyone knows the real legitimacy of polygraphs in that they’re often proven wrong in criminal cases…
My understanding was that he’s not currently a suspect. So why would you recommend a client to volunteer to take a polygraph when there’s no evidence against you. The only thing that could happen is bad. You get nervous and the polygraph comes back positive even though you’re not lying and now you are DEFINITELY suspect #1.
There was some stuff going around on Twitter and on Sirius today about Randy Gregory being some type of insane person with mental problems in addition to the weed thing. Anybody know what type of nut he is?
At 6’5 235, I would say he’s “too light” of a nut.
Must have not smoked enough weed. Normally you get the munchies….
Perhaps it’s why he smokes weed: appetite stimulation.
Coconuts?
I read he might just have depression/anxiety problems… which could be enough to knock him down boards. I imagine he’s far from the first NFL player to have those issues (loooooots of players who are textbook OCD) but if the symptoms are severe enough I can see teams being leery.
Uggghh. Brutal. Hopefully he’s not making up psychological conditions like Ricky Williams as an excuse to smoke more weed.
I’m sure Ricky Williams did have legit psychological issues. People aren’t that dedicated to smoking weed unless they’re covering something up.
Williams strikes me as a massive weirdo without enough dedication to honor his obligations. Bleep him.
Ugh. And this strikes me as the kind of nuanced take and genuine display of human empathy we might get from someone who wished physical harm on a player who screwed things up for his favorite football team.
Depends on how they screwed up.
Yeah, weren’t you the one who a couple of weeks ago was vocally hoping for Terrell Owens to commit suicide? If not, I apologize. If so, well, you’re continuing to class up the place…
No, that was me. I’ll own that.
It’s amazing how much people can tell you about themselves without realizing they’re doing it.
We know all too well the issues with players and depression…
Yeah, Shawn Andrews is a perfect example of how really really severe depression can impact somebody. Pretty sad really. Hopefully he’s doing better these days.
Agree and hope he’s doing better. I have to think severe depression + possibly 5-10 brain collisions a game is not a great combination…
I have nothing but contempt for Shawn Andrews. He intentionally threw away an all pro level career for our team.
I’m blown away by your compassion and humanity.
I’d have compassion for him if he was diagnosed with cancer and lost his career. Getting your Michael Phelps on rather than continuing to battle for my team makes you a turd.
You should read up on mental health conditions.They’re a real thing.
You should read up on treatment for mental health conditions. They’re real as well. Countless millions of Americans choose to function at a high level while also undergoing treatment.
Right, but elements of being an athlete, in the public eye, just aren’t conducive to certain conditions, and it sounds like Andrews struggled with these pretty hard.
I’m sure he would have preferred not dealing with them.
That’s my point. No reason to have a vendetta against him.
I guess I see a guy with every financial advantage in the world along with access to a slate of doctors that the average person would kill to have, but took no advantage of them. I see people every day with significant life challenges and deficiencies beyond significant mental health issues, but choose to embrace the limited treatment they can get and still work their tail off at work and honor every last one of their responsibilities.
That is the genesis of the vendetta.
Despise him. That idiot dyed his Mohawk red and bought pet penguins.. should have had wilfiork. Andrews claims Donavan bullied him which is crazy to let mcGoofball bully u
He doesn’t owe you anything. He can throw away his career if he wants to.
Feel free to see it that way. Put on my team’s uniform on, get paid with my TV / ticket / tax dollars, etc.
you owe me.
Ugh. No. You sound like an idiot with this crap.
Uh, yes. I expect a certain level of effort and dedication from guys that choose a professional sport as their employment.
Assuming your right to disappointment (which is a BIG assumption), outright malice is completely uncalled for. Lower than the lowest.
Also they owe you nothing. Nothing. At. All.
You can feel free to leave outright malice out of your personal fandom if you so choose. I’ll keep it in mine, thanks.
And that’s why you sound like an idiot.
It’s entertainment. Going around wishing ill on people is fucked up and evil.
If you’d like to keep discussing a topic, feel free.If you’d like to ramp up a personal attack on me, you can continue to sound like a tampon.
It’s cool for you to wish that mentally ill people kill themselves and call them all sorts of names, but you can’t take it.
So far it’s you & GEAGLE who are on one side and rest of the board on the other. If only he would start his own blog and take all the hatemongers with him.
Yes, and it is cool for you to make any topical discussion point you’d like as well and I’ll feel free to discuss the point of view without resorting to calling you names first.
And I’m not on any type of “side” with anybody. I have my views on the team, the players, the management, etc. If you don’t agree discuss them topically all you’d like.
“Sounding like” an idiot is not calling someone an idiot.
You sound like an idiot. There’s obviously no “topical discussion” to be had on the matter of Shawn Andrews with you so don’t pretend otherwise.
I don’t think you’re an idiot. I think GEAGLE is an idiot. (Actually, that’s not true, I think he’s autistic and probably a nicer kid in person than he is on this board).
Well thank you for the clarification on the idiocy of my statements vs. my personage.
Andrews simply enrages me with how he bailed on our team.
Well shucks, this just makes me regret a lot of my GEAGLE animosity.
It’s just a theory, he could be a dick in real life too.
Ugh. This is the worst attitude a fan can have.
Glad you’re enjoying it.
I know someone who killed himself because of chemical depression issues. He also had a lot going for him.
Christmas Eve, friends! Time to really get excited for new player acquisition! I’m looking forward to Tommy’s Top 100 and his Eagles-centric targets.
In the meanwhile, do yourself a favor and listen to Tommy and Jimmy’s marathon podcast… lot of good discussion about prospects as well as a breakdown of the Tommy Lawlor diet as prescribed for Randy Gregory.
Interesting read
http://www.phillyvoice.com/building-eagles-big-board-65-players-interest/
I don’t get why Kendricks is in the dog house. The smoke seems to be coming from the fact that his calf strain kept him out for 4 weeks. I mean…sometimes you pull a muscle and can’t play. If Kelly is going to trade away every player that tears a muscle we’re gonna have trouble fielding a team. If we trade Kendricks our current ILB corps has two starters that are rehabbing and “hoping” to be ready for training camp. And, the top back up is rehabbing too. Is that really the situation we want to be in in the middle of our defense?
That could make some sense, but there is also a chance the Eagles and his agent exchanged future contract numbers……………….and weren’t even close.
This makes more sense to me than anything else
In which case I don’t mind cutting bait………….I just want good compensation for him.
agreed
I think its his size. ‘Meco tore his damn achilles and got an extension, so I doubt Kendricks having a calf strain is the cause.
He just doesn’t fit Chip’s size profile. That’s about it.
I can’t buy the size thing. How many times can you remember us being hurt because Kendricks wasn’t 3 inches taller? Any jump balls that he lost due to his height? He’s the best playmaker in the front seven.
The injury thing I think is more about Chips thoughts on muscle strains and soft tissue injuries. It seemed like he was pissed that Kendricks wasn’t out there earlier. With Meco, there was no question of toughness. He tore his Achilles, he needed surgery and was done for the year. MK pulled his calf, we were told it was a 1 week injury every single week he was injured and he seemed to take his time coming back. That’s what I think the issue was.
I don’t get why it’s so difficult for so many people to understand. Even Lurie after meeting with Chip and giving him roster control went out of his way to say that Chip has far more particular and detailed criteria for what he wants at every position than Lurie had ever seen before. It’s really not that complicated.
I think you’re right that is isn’t that complicated, but it also isn’t that logical / traditional when one looks at a lot of the ways in which teams have won titles over the years.
I think if a guy passes the “eye test”, as Kendricks does for a lot of fans, people aren’t interested in “measurables.”
The height criteria makes a lot of sense when drafting prospects. Because you eliminate the chance for a lot of busts if you know most people need certain traits to be successful. But, once someone shows that the lack of 2-3 inches of height has not held them back at all and their the best playmaker in your front seven and a young, cheap, borderline pro bowl player then having stingent height requirements at that point doesn’t make sense.
And all of that can be true. But Kendricks and his agent might have put out numbers for a deal that the Eagles simply don’t see as wise to spend on ILB.
That I see as making sense. If you tell me it’s about money, then I get it. If I’m told it’s about measurables after the player has already proved that he’s a pro bowl level player with his measurables then I’m not agreeing that makes sense.
They could very well be linked. Maybe Chip is more willing to deal with a guy with less than ideal measurables if that guy is making less than top dollar.
Measurables make sense when you’re looking at prospects. You have a better chance at hitting on unknowns if you reduce the chances for failure by taking the players with the measurables that most often lead to good players. But, if you have Darrell Green on your team you don’t trade him away because your chart says CBs that aren’t over 6 feet tall will suck more often than not. If Jerry Rice is your starting WR you don’t trade him in his prime because you insist that you’d never want a WR that runs over a 4.7 40 yard dash. Sure you wouldn’t go out and draft slow WRs every year. That’s not a winning formula. But, once the guy shows you that he’s a star you can forget about the measurables. I’m not saying MK is Jerry Rice. But, taking it to that extreme shows how illogical Bill Pillion and others, who act like this makes total sense, are being.
I think its a bad move, the only one Kelly is making I don’t like.
I really think kendricks awesome, super athletic and fast and tough.
he was missed in those 4 games and will be missed in the next 16
He’s not in the doghouse, he just doesn’t meet a lot of the criteria of what they want at ILB, so they wouldn’t resign him at market value, so it makes sense to trade him now while you can get something for him.
Kendricks/Boykin stuff is old news isn’t it? Not sure why it’s a big deal today…
Conjecture from local guys before today. Conjecture from national guys today.
LOL. Bout time they caught up…
Can’t figure out if I’m excited for tomorrow or scared to death of tomorrow.. Thanks chip… Only you could make the draft freightening… “Sometimes the mad scientist blows the house up”….
What’s the worst that happens, Chip ruins the whole things and we dog him for another year or two before he quits? Then we get another group to follow.
If he does a great job we’ll have more great players to follow.
We’ll have fun either way.
Losing Cox turns him into Braman as far as I’m concerned…a bad draft used to be spending a pick on a bust.. Never went into the draft worried about losing some of the best players under the age of 25 in the NFL… Right about now, only having to stomach one of Andys undersized fastballs sounds about nice lol..
The difference now is that we’re in a capped environment and Cox might really want to be in a 4-3 and not want to sign here.
Reggie White was there to simply to be had for $.
NOBODY is Braman in my book.
Don’t get that reference either. White was going to break the FA bank ($20M?! for an NFL free agent) and Braman made it clear as day he wasn’t going to even make a serious offer.
Fans howled about Braman being a cheap SOB and they were generally right.
I’m both excited and scared. Definitely excited to see Chip execute whatever his vision in, but also scared to see how much it costs. As we know, Chip seems to value draft picks (and players?) far differently than anyone else, so no matter what the next few days will be unpredictable. That said, I can confidently predict that the general shape of fan reaction will be: Outrage –> Reasoned speculation –> Blind support –> Outrage.
I’m so afraid I’m at the point where I just ask that you leave Cox alone and do whatever you want and I’ll support it
Losing Cox would be tough to swallow. (COULDN’T HELP IT!)
Sustained… The judge will allow it
Namaste, my friend.
You’re a bad, bad man Baloophi. 🙂
That was Evil Baloophi… the guy with the shaved head and the Van Dyke. Many apologies.
dang Baloophi, if you’d just gone with ‘No Cox would be tough to swallow’ that’d have been the best yet of the thousand Cox jokes which have accompanied his tenure.
The jokes you miss are the ones that keep you up at night. I should’ve workshopped it and read it out loud first. Good catch.
I really think the valuing draft picks different then others is really overblown. Alot of that seems to stem from him wanting Mathews in the first and Hart in the 3rd last year. I don’t think that’s valuing different, I think that was just inexperience. Howie corrected him. Chip said Howie will be in the war room tomorrow night again because he values his opinion.
Andy made the draft frightening too–you were always waiting to see how he was going to screw up the 1st round draft pick and waste a mid-rounder on a small-school loser.
Agree with you. I’m so happy it’s around the corner, but so scared to.
Mayock is doing his mock, he just have us Damarius Randall in round 1
Wow. That’s aggressive.
Thought he was a third rounder? Haven’t seen him mocked to us at all until just now.
I’ve seen him 2nd rounders.
Its dumb, it’s almost as bad as Landon Collins at 20.
No, not as dumb as that. Randall can actually run, he’s just not a first round safety.
Collins is a bust waiting to happen.
He blows assignments often as well. His highlight plays come from tipped balls from others. About the only thing he can do is turn and run, he isn’t super physical. He’s a CB that was turned into a S for some reason. What was that reason?
He has the Cowboys taking Landon
Love it!
Yuck..steelers get Byron jones few picks later… Have a hard time seeing chip kelly value safety more then OL or even CB.. I can see him not value WR position, but this kid ain’t one of the 20 best players, u have no business taking him at 20… Atleast trade back and take him..
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Mayock has Ravens taking advantage of Marcus peters falling to end of round 1 like they did with jimmy smith when we brilliantly drafted the fireman instead… I would be so pumped for Peters, probably isn’t even on chips draft board
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Mayock says Eagles will have a top 5 offense again so they will boost the
Defense. High offensive praise for chip for everyone to assume his offense will always put up points and be top 5 with out even seeing his QB play and without a quality WR corp
Several media guys who think they have inside sources have been mocking Randall to us. Hope they’re all wrong.
Can’t possibly believe we will really make him one of the top 20 players… At the very least trade back since most teams will probably take Landon before him. That’s why I really hate Mayock has is taking him at 20, while Landon didn’t get taken til the Cowboys. If Landon is still available we can prob trade back and still get Randall… But I really can’t believe they love him THIS much
I’ll be happy if we get him in the second. Not the first though. Just to early. Besides I am actually pretty high on Wolff.
Oregon ducker: Isnt Jake Fisher a ginger or am I mistaken? Every OL needs an angry Ginger just like every good defense needs dreadlocks and Somoans/Tongans…
I only need one ginger.
Karen Gillan 4 life
https://volkundvaterland.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/karen-gillan.jpg
Big fan of that human being.
She’s the absolute best.
Hard to believe we were able to get a 4th for Bryce Brown but can’t get a 2nd for Mychal Kendricks.
Indeed.
Just astonishing that Chip is neutering the 2012 draft class from the Eagles. Its like personal vendetta against Howie.
Yeah, either that or he just has very specific criteria for what he’s looking for at every position and he’s methodically going about building his roster according to those criteria and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Howie.
I mean, if anything it’s a compliment to Howie that a bunch of players he brought in pre-Chip, who don’t fit for what Chip wants to do, still have significant trade value around the league.
Yeah, I don’t get draft value sometimes. I understand that the front office may not value Kendricks as much as the fans, but the chances of getting a player as good as Kendricks in the third round are very low.
Mayock has the Ravens taking advantage of Marcus peters falling
patriots taking advantage of Randy Gregory falling
And the saints taking advantage of DGB falling to the Seahawks pick at the end of round 1….
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If that actually happens what would people think about all recent superbowl champions shunning character and taking advantage of Talent, while we remove these types of talents from our draft board?
Well, undoubtedly we’d hear all about how those teams have the leadership to handle character risks… things like “If Marcus Peters thinks he can get away with arguing with the coaching staff that’s not gonna fly with Tom Brady or Bill Belichick.” And all of this will be said while information about Aaron Hernandez’s sentencing scrolls across the bottom of the screen. Ugh.
I will say that because those teams at the bottom tend to be “more set” in terms of their rosters, one can make the argument that they can better afford to take risks on character. In general, I think the #culture thing gets overblown – I get the sense that Kelly is simply trying to avoid a roster full of “me first” players… or at least a roster where the best players who are the most impressionable on young players are “me first”… the hope being that you can build a winning culture, which will later allow you to take more risks… like the Pats and Seahawks.
10 drafts ago the Niners took Alex smith and Rogers fell all the way down to the Packers… I can see Jameis being Alex smith, will Marriota be Rodgers?
FINAL Eagles Mock Draft Projection
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TRADES
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a. Eagles trade 1-20 to Panthers for 1-25, 3-89
Rationale: Panthers are targeting OL in this draft. More specifically all of their current OTs are better on the right side and they don’t have a true LT. They have been rumored to be targeting picks 17-20 and specifically need to jump Cincinatti who is looking for an eventual replacement for Andrew Whitworth.
b. Eagles trade LB Mychal Kendricks and 2-52 to Packers for 1-30, 5-166
Rationale: The Packers are unlikely to want to give up an actual 2nd for Kendricks but might be more amenable for giving up 2nd round value via a pick swap. From their perspective, the player they can get at 52 might not have too far a grade lower than the pick at 30. From the Eagles’ perspective, they get fair value and they can get a player at 30 that fits their scheme. When you’re scheme specific, the number of players that are true fits are limited and the difference between pick 30 and pick 52 is more substantial than it would be in terms of pure talent.
c. Eagles trade CB Brandon Boykin to Dolphins for 5-149, 2016 5th round pick
Rationale: The Dolphins are known to have interest in Boykin. I base the trade value here off what the Eagles paid for a somewhat similar player a few years back: Ellis Hobbs, a smaller corner that can play outside but ideally is a very good nickel CB. The Eagles gave up two 5th round picks in the same draft for Hobbs. The Dolphins are already missing their 3rd from the Kenny Stills trade and it is unlikely they would be willing to give up both of their 5ths in this draft. The Eagles(me) are amenable to accepting a 2015 5th and 2016 5th considering we’re already down a pick next year anyway.
d. Eagles trade 3-84, 5-145 to MIN for 3-76
Rationale: This is a move up to get QB Garrett Grayson. See the explanation for the selection.
Selections
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1-25: Byron Jones 6-1 199 CB Connecticut
Rationale: Ideal fit from scheme and culture standpoint. There is a chance that he is off the board(Pittsburgh, Arizona could have interest) but I don’t love him so much that I wouldn’t take the 3rd round pick for moving down. Backup plan: Eric Rowe, Nelson Agholor, Jake Fisher
1-30: Nelson Agholor 6-0 198 WR Southern Cal
Rationale: I’m torn between OL and WR here. Traditionally quality OL come off the board quick while WRs drop in the draft. However there are several later round offensive linemen who fit the Eagles’ scheme. As far as the specific WR taken here, I’m torn between Agholor, Strong, and Dorsett. I like Agholor the best but he’s also the guy that has the strongest chance of being taken before this pick. Dorsett brings speed to the table, but I have a very hard time buying that the Eagles are going to take a 5-9 WR considering what we know about their strict adherence to scheme fit. Strong checks off all the boxes parameter wise except perhaps for hand size but he has his detractors.
3-76: Garrett Grayson 6-2 213 QB Colorado State
Rationale: If we go with the assumption that the Eagles don’t land Mariota then I think Kelly will target a QB and considering the past acquisitions of
Sanchez and Bradford, Grayson fits the mold that Kelly likes out of his
QBs. I considered Hundley because of the Pac 12 connection but he isn’t
accurate enough for Chip IMO. His athleticism is nice but for Chip
that’s a bonus for a QB, not the most important thing. Between the pick the Eagles trade up for(Minnesota, who is usually very active in trading up and down) and their original pick there are several teams that could be looking to draft a QB in this range(CLE, NO, SDG, HOU, BUF). Eagles move up to get their guy.
3-89: Daryl Williams 6-5 327 G/T Oklahoma
Rationale: RG or RT. A little bigger and more of a mauler than the norm(who for the most part Kelly inherited) but based on who they’ve brought in for a visit they seem to get a little bit bigger.
4-113: Adrian Amos 6-0 218 S Penn State
Rationale: Perfect scheme fit and they’ve shown ton of interest. This is about where he’s rated but the lack of safety depth in this draft could push him higher. I went with the OL in Rd 3 and Amos here because there are other safeties I like that could be swapped out for Amos(Drummond, Campbell)
5-149: Jake Ryan 6-2 240 LB Michigan
Rationale: Was OLB in 3-4 before this past year and is obviously undersized for that position. Moved to ILB this past year and played well. Depth to develop behind DeMeco. Main calling card to be drafted here though is he’s a stud STs player.
5-156: Max Garcia 6-4 309 C/G Florida
Rationale: Versatile OL that fits scheme and can play multiple positions. Eagles have shown interest.
5-166: Obum Gwacham 6-5 246 OLB/DE Oregon State
Rationale: Fits all the parameter boxes, good upside, Pac 12 player, visited Eagles, projected to go around this spot.
6-196: Julian Wilson 6-2 205 S/CB Oklahoma
Rationale: Most rankings have him much lower than this but the Eagles have shown interest and he can fill multiple roles including nickel CB.
7-237: Geremy Davis 6-2 216 WR Connecticut
Rationale: A bigger WR more in the Matthews/Austin mold to develop on the PS. Eagles worked him out.
This is a very functional and logical approach to the draft. I can’t ague with any of the valuation you’ve put on guys and/or places where you took them.
My boy Daryl Williams and Jake ryan! Give me Bryce Petty instead of Grayson and you got your self a deal.. As long as we keep cox and curry of course
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Bryce petty is the perfect Bradford backup
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Rather have Fua or shaq riddick as our round 5 OLB
Nice work, Greg. You put the kind of thought and consideration into this that I’m sure others will in replying to it.
RE: Grayson – you mentioned Hundley as a consideration but I’m curious what thoughts you had on Petty. And – FWIW – Grayson is supposed to be pretty functionally athletic.
Yes, I understand. It wouldn’t surprise me if they took Petty but I personally think he’ll go higher than the 3rd. The Bills are showing a lot of interest in him. Benjamin Allbright said he was hearing from a reliable source that the non-Mariota QB the Eagles like is Grayson. Now Allbright comes across on twitter as a total ass but as far as information accuracy he has a good track record.
Gotcha. Yeah, if we miss on Mariota, I fear the QB run. Hundley, Petty and Grayson could go in rapid succession and higher than we want.
I would be willing to be that QB #3 goes in the end of the first round. Petty to New Orleans @ #31 gives them 4 years of him under cheap team control, a 5th year at a sort of cheap value, and no worries about a tag and/or big cap hit until year 6.
That’s a lot of time to get the next Brees going.
Good projection. What teams do you see having interest in Hundley? He’s going to be more work as a project than Mariota and doesn’t seem as “ready” as the other middle QB’s but has physical measurables you can’t coach…
I can’t take credit for that. Pat Kirwan has been saying that the Bridgewater spot from last year should be where smart teams look to take a risk on a QB.
I’m the last guy you want to ask about Hundley, I absolutely hate him. I’d say whatever team needs a QB to convert to another position should look to add him.
Ha! You’re the anti D3FB on Hundley then, huh? FWIW, he met with: Arizona, Cincinnati, Houston, Philly, NYJ, and San Diego.
And D3 has made a great case for reasons to like the guy. But, I read “slow eyes” from sources I trust and get very scared. I don’t know if a guy can be coached out of being mentally too slow to understand what is going on in front of him.
Probably not – I certainly have no clue how to work Discus…
I feel like you reference Kirwan quite a bit…I listen to NFL radio hours a day for almost 10 years, do you happen to call in regularly or do you just listen?
Avid listener. I’m basically living in 6 AM to 3 PM work world, so I listen to Pat and Jim (Tim) religiously and really enjoy their work.
No way am I waiting as long as it takes to get through on there, but I wish I was a caller.
Thought it would have been cool if I recognized you…Tim and Pat were my favorite…Pat and Jim are my favorite now, good show.
I’m a pretty big fan of Grayson myself. I think his deep ball would be a huge asset. Can you imagine if the Eagles drafted Devin Smith in the second and Grayson in the third? Deep balls all day!
Nice work!
Luke Easterling
@LukeEasterling
16m16 minutes ago
Team source tells @GilArciaTBC #Bucs players have been informed Winston will be the pick. Was reportedly still in Tampa this afternoon.
No one better give the Titans anything. They overplayed their hand, won’t draft MM. Hope no team trades with them and force them to expose their bluff and draft Leonard
Sadly, we’re our own worst enemy here. Even if we show restraint, CLE, NYJ and possibly STL might be desperate to jump in front of us.
Then we have to let them. The #2 pick in the draft has a very specific value. If another team wants to overpay for it, they can screw their franchise by doing so.
There has to be a walk away level at any deal.
Agreed. I meant it more from “the damage is done” perspective… I hope we haven’t created a “#2 or bust” scenario in terms of trading up, which would increase Chip’s “walk away” tolerance.
I really hope the Eagles won’t deal before the draft actually starts. I need to get at least 2 hours and 10 minutes of solid drinking in.
If you are under a time crunch, I’ve discovered alternating between beer and Wild Turkey works, but only yields short term results. Let’s hope CK’s results are better…
http://www.theonion.com/articles/jameis-winston-wows-teams-with-ability-to-tell-the,38514/
Yup. Classic sociopath
Here’s a classic sociopath…
How is it that the Onion puts out more accurate news than ESPN while also doing satire?
Jordan Matthews does the same thing and people don’t give him shit.
Matthews doesn’t have Winston’s track record of being at best an immature fool and at worst a sociopath.
Everyone does, its the onion so it shouldn’t be taken seriously anyway. Plus Jordan Matthews doesn’t have the same track record as Jameis like Greg saif
Jordan Matthews at least has the decency to pay for his crab legs.
Pope Jordan walks on water and catches his own crab legs.
Or get permission before having sex with somebody else.
Jordan Matthews eats crab legs?
True. Matthews is more of a lobster tail guy imo.
Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout
6m6 minutes ago
There’s a rumor #Bucs players have been told Winston will be the pick. That’s 100% false, according to four players I talked to tonight.
Could be just specific players who have been told who knows
i’d assume it’s more likely that it’s a smoke screen
Too bad there isn’t another GM as bad as Kelly or we could trade Kendricks for another teams’ top player. He’s not even coming off an ACL.
Yeah let’s label him the worst GM before we even get the results!!!! Brilliant.
The Eagles will trade up for Mariota. Nobody is going to be willing to give up more for that pick than Chip Kelly. He’ll probably throw in a few extra players and picks just to make sure the deal goes down in under 30 minutes.
Surprise pick….. Shaq Thompson. Wasn’t a fan of him but he is starting to grow on me. Would have some serious speed in the middle of the D with him and Alonso. I’m going to assume he would play ILB with us. Would have to gain a few pounds though.
Not saying I want this to happen, it’s just my surprise pick.
OL in second round.
Kendricks gets traded for a 3rd and a 5th.
Combo of WR and CB in third.
Safety Amos from Penn State in 4th.
And that’s all I got right now.
Just curious what people think about this. Offer opinions please.
Kendricks greatest ability is his speed and explosion. He isn’t exactly great at diagnosing plays and sometimes gets stuck going downhill or over pursuing. He is a slightly above average cover LB, but again that is mostly due to his speed.
Chip brought Shaq in for a visit. I’m assuming for ILB and for the versatility of inserting him in on passing downs, or if it’s a definite running down maybe replacing a safety with him.
If he were to gain some weight what do you think of him as an ILB to replace Kendricks. Has the explosion and speed Kendricks has. However he would be a much better coverage LB then Kendricks. He would definitely need to gain some weight and become better at shedding blockers. Fortunately the 2 gap prevents linemen from constantly being on him. He would also have nice height in the middle to eat up passing lanes and could be very versatile.
Opinions? Not saying I’m for this, but just curious as to what people think.
I think If Shaw’s visit has any bearing on the Kendricks decision, we are in trouble.
There is no way that thoughts of getting a player in the draft, changing his position, skills, and body, and inserting him into the starting lineup even came up in conversation when discussing Kendricks’ future.
I meant Shaq Thompson. Spell check changed it to Shaw.
Did you mean Shaq Thompson or Josh Shaw?
Thompson. Spell check may have changed it to Shaw.
I’m not sure he even has Kendrick’s explosive ability. I think he loses more if you ask him to add weight. I think, in the NFL, you let Shaq make plays where he doesn’t have to engage blockers. Keep him clean. He is fluid in coverage and was the #1 safety coming out of high school. I think Shaq should actually lose a bit of weight and play safety. He could show off his coverage skills and come down in the box and blitz and get in the backfield if the DC were to use him that way.
He’s like an inch and a half taller, 10-15lbs lighter, a worse athlete, not as physical. I don’t see it as likely.
I figured Shaq Thompson would be a better athlete then Kendricks considering he could play safety at the college level at least and also RB.
He’s not though.
Wish we were trading for Fowler. Best player in the draft, better then Leonard Williams.. Kids going to be a monster . Jags are getting a beast
So we are going to have Ryans & Alonzo, both coming off achilles injuries, as our starting ILB? Great…what happens when one or both cannot perform or get injured again?
We get Casey Matthews back?
Greatly undervalued market – players coming off serious Achilles’ injuries?
My guess, and it’s only a guess, is that Chip announced the Kendricks and Boykin trade efforts to push a trading partner(s). If that partner(s) wants these players then they better deal. It also sets the clock ticking on trade deals.
Chip has pushed a few chips into the center of the table. And shown a couple of cards. The visor is low on his brow and he’s smiling. Raise, fold or hold but prepare to lose.
What are u hearing re MM?
Raiders, Jets, or Browns with Titans at a pivot point. Still 50/50 but probably less given recent demands. We will see tomorrow.
I’m really not sure what is true at this point. Lots of misdirection and my two best sources were shut down. I only get 3rd hand stuff which is iffy.
So close your eyes, grab your ass and prepare for pain. 🙂
Ok let me ask this. Do you really think another team will pay enough to move to 2?
Yes, I think the Chargers and Browns could do this. Mainly, I think the Browns because they are the dimmest bulb in the room.
For the Eagles, I expect either a straight deal with Raiders or using the Raiders/Jets pick to move to #2. I think MM could drop to Raider land but I’m worried.
The rumors from last year were that the Browns (from Farmer’s point of view) absolutley were looking to have Mariota come out so they could make an aggressive move for him. I can’t see a year changing that.
The Browns terrible owner is also totally in love with Johnny Streetball. I can’t see a year changing that either.
The Browns are hard to read.
Jacksonville has expressed interest previously in Kendricks. Kendricks, 20 and a pick can get Kelly to 3 possibly.
Be gentile Kelly. Be gentile.
RE: the clock ticking – and to continue the poker metaphor – doesn’t Tennessee hold all the cards? Even if the play is to push them along by announcing the availability of Boykin and Kendricks, other teams are unlikely to pull the trigger on them until that pick comes up (so the other team can gauge whether it still makes sense). In a similar fashion, I imagine Tennessee plans to wait until they’re on the clock before attempting to extract one more sweetener from all interested parties. On that note I hope Chip has an idea of what he plans to throw-in tomorrow night to make it happen… and whatever THAT piece/player is will hurt the most.
Just don’t include Will Murphy.
I was hoping on the eve of the draft that i could sleep well knowing Bradford was the QB of the future but i just cant. I cant believe that Kelly would gamble his nfl career on Bradford’s knees.
NBA players can have five fouls and still play, but cant get another foul or they are out.
Seems like now nfl players can have two acl tears and still play, but a third likely means they are done. Since Bradford considered retiring after his second tear means it is likely he would retire if he tore another knee.
Seems unlikely that Kelly would risk his nfl career, risk his offense as going down in football history as only a ridiculously successful “college” offense, on one more unfortunate hit on a knee of Bradford.
Mariota can have two unfortunate hits, acl tears, and still work on coming back and being the starting QB with Kelly the coach.
Not as big a deal for Maclin and Kiko because losing a WR or LB with a career threatening third ACL does not set franchise back potentially for years.
Plus, look at Kelly’s face when the offense is really going. He is an adrenaline junky, seriously. He is after that rush he gets on the sideline as his offense cruises down the field. He only got that kind of rush a few times last year, and probably never had it last year at the pure intensity that he had with Mariota as QB in Oregon that one year. All his crazy moves this off season can be seen as a junkie genius doing whatever he can do for the rush again. all he needs now is Mariota.
also this adrenaline rush theory might mean Kelly values watching his offense kick ass over winning. he might deep down enjoy losing 60-59 than winning 10-9.
Love “junkie genius”!
So the Eagles are prepared to trade arguably their two biggest playmakers on defense for a unit that is short of them to begin with?
Still have no idea where Kelly thinks this team is actually headed next year. If they do make the crazy trade for Mariota, then it is a semi-rebuilding year while they probably start the year with Sanchez at QB and Mariota takes over at some point. If the Eagles have no real interest in resigning either Kendrick or Boykin to a long-term deal, then trading them away if they get decent value makes real sense.
If not and Kelly thinks this team can be a legit contender next year and is poised to make a deep playoff run, why the hell would he trade Boykin for what might be a mid-to-late round 5th pick? Given the huge washout rate on those picks, that is essentially giving up an asset and getting almost nothing in return with nobody on the roster as an apparent replacement.
he’s not drafting another player with the boykin pick i think thatll be compensation for mariota. i do like the meco / kiko tandem. kiko / goode is ok as well.
i don’t think chip cares much about having 10 draft picks, except that it’ll help him trade up for players he really covets or trade picks for players which i think is more likely.
Chris Brown has an interesting piece up in which he grades Winston, Mariota, Petty and Hundley using a new rubric:
http://grantland.com/features/2015-nfl-draft-quarterback-evaluation-formula-jameis-winston-marcus-mariota-brett-hundley-bryce-petty/
Pretty interesting read. Fairly subjective grading system, but that is understandable. I think I am mostly aligned with his grades and conclusion. Question is, might it be worth rolling the dice on one of the lower graded guys, knowing you will not have to give up so many resources.
Yeah, I think that’s the “failing” of the article. Subjective or not, the rankings exist in the ether – any particular team will grade the players according to their offensive system and belief in their ability to coach the player up. In other words, one team’s garbage is another team’s treasure.
I agree. Mariota is not as valuable to other teams as he would be to the Eagles. Same with Petty to a lesser extent.
Nice read. I like his writing more than his football assessments, but I was kind of shocked that Winston COULD have gone to Stanford. Has Stanford become that desperate to shine on the national stage?
Most teams in the top ten would just as soon trade down. Problem is they don’t want to trade all the way down to 20. They want pick 11 to 15. That way they get one of the best players but at much lower cap cost.
They are not worried about saving $0.5mil per year in cap. They want value of the bigger number of picks. If you can trade down from 4 to 12, still pick up a top tier guy and get a high second round pick you do that in an instant in this draft.
It has to do with the 5th year option. The amount is calculated differently for the top 10 picks compared to picks 11-32.
Still, if it was truly a matter of money and contracts, teams would be trading down for next to nothing. The financial concerns are secondary. They want extra picks.
A lot of fans are going to be epically disappointed when “TRADE” flashes on NFL Network at the #2 pick and we find out it’s the Jets that have moved up, not the Eagles.
Not me.
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Three veteran players other teams have viewed as potential trade pieces for Eagles: Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Evan Mathis.
That doesn’t necessarily mean Eagles are shopping Cox. Just means other teams think he can be landed.
Sam Lynch(the Eagles’ cap expert) pointed out to me a very good point on twitter. Some in the media(and I on twitter before being corrected) have said that the Titans could draft Mariota and then move him after the draft. That is not feasible. The rookie cap is based on where a team picks originally and trading the players taken at those picks, even before they have signed, would not affect a team’s rookie cap amount. The Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers swap was done before the new slotting system and teams had more flexibility to adjust a draft pick’s cap number. Now there are slotted salaries for the picks. The Eagles’ rookie cap number would be based on picking 20th in the 1st round and they could not fit the #2 pick’s salary in to their assigned rookie cap.
Yes, I saw that too. However he has also asked Joe Banner. Do you know if he ever replied to Sam?
Draft Day, bitches!!!