Success and Failure

Posted: May 25th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 95 Comments »

We love to judge NFL players. Mike Mamula is a bust. The guy was a Workout Warrior and the Eagles wasted a pick on him. Reggie Brown was a bum. Another wasted pick. Chris Gocong? Why did the Eagles spend a high pick on some kid from a small school? So dumb.

Mamula started 64 games in his career and had 31.5 sacks. He’s nowhere close to being a bust. He wasn’t worth the #7 overall pick, but that’s a different argument. If not for injuries, Mamula would have had an even better career.

Brown paled in comparison to the man who replaced him, DeSean Jackson, but Brown still caught 177 career passes and had 17 TD catches. He averaged 14.5 ypc for his career.

Gocong started 67 games in the NFL. He had 9.5 sacks, 21 TFLs and 5 FFs. He was the starting SAM LB on 3 Top 10 defenses.

When you start for multiple seasons and have some level of success, you aren’t a bum or a bust. The average NFL career lasts something like 3 seasons. And the average player isn’t starting for multiple years. There are far more failures than successes.

I wrote about the difficulty of making it in the NFL for PE.com.

One of the things that fascinates me is that some guys who are legitimate draft busts were still great players in college. I wrote about Jaiquawn Jarrett and Freddie Mitchell in the piece. Mitchell was incredibly good at UCLA. In his Junior season he was 77-1494-9. And that is playing in a pro style offense, not the spread attacks that boost numbers today. Mitchell played in 63 NFL games and had 5 TD catches. How does a guy go from one extreme to another?

That’s the beauty of the NFL.

A guy like Mitchell who was a star at UCLA can flame out while a kid from tiny Monmouth University can thrive. Miles Austin has 36 career TD catches. The NFL doesn’t care that he wasn’t the MVP of a bowl game or never played on national TV.

The NFL is all about the here and now. How do you do playing with the best of the best and against the best of the best? Some players embrace the challenge and it brings out the best in them. Others struggle. It can be hard for some players who are used to dominating having to adjust when they go up against guys their size, speed or talent level.

I think Matt Barkley has really struggled with being “just another guy”. Not only was he a great player at USC, he was vital to the team. When Pete Carroll left, Barkley was making phone calls to recruits to make sure they were still coming to play there. He was an important leader on and off the field. In Philadelphia he is the #3 QB, one of the most forgotten spots on the team. That has to be incredibly difficult.

I give GJ Kinne a lot of credit for his decision to try and play other positions. If you watched him in the preseason games, you saw a guy play hard and show some athletic ability. What you didn’t see was a consistently good passer. Kinne is willing to try something else to find a place in the league. Good for him. He’s still got an uphill battle, but I don’t think he was ever going to make it as a QB.

Another big challenge with the NFL is that you constantly have to fight for your job. Jon Runyan started every game from 2000-2008. Part of that was his workman-like attitude and desire to be on the field. Part was on the feeling that he wanted to be out there to help his teammates. But the biggest reason…he didn’t want to let some other guy get on the field and steal his job. Runyan wasn’t going to get Wally Pip’d.

That constant pressure gets to some players. Others use it to motivate them and stay on top of their game. Think of all the pass rushers drafted after Trent Cole in 2005. Victor Abiamiri, Bryan Smith, Brandon Graham, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Ricky Sapp, Vinny Curry, and Marcus Smith. The guy who got to Cole was Father Time. Graham will start in his place, but only because of age. If you could take the toughness, competitive spirit and drive from Cole and put it into the rest of the team, the Eagles would be a juggernaut. Cole isn’t the biggest, fastest or most athletic, but he was special in his own way. You have to love players like that.

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95 Comments on “Success and Failure”

  1. 1 Bert's Bells said at 1:01 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Nice article. Good perspective on players wrongly derided for circumstances beyond their control (draft position).

    I also like what you say in the PE article about the People’s Champ. If he wasn’t such a high maintenance guy he could have had a long positive career as a role player. But if you’re going to be a TO-style headache, you’ve got to put up TO-style stats.

  2. 2 ACViking said at 1:14 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Re: Memorial Day – List of Fallen Pro Footballers

    Off topic. But a day for remembrance for my family (and many others).

    Thought I’d share this list of former pro football players killed overseas defending the United States.
    _______________

    * World War II

    Cpl. Mike Basca (HB, Philadelphia, 1941) – Killed in France in 1944

    Lt. Charlie Behan (E, Detroit, 1942) – Killed on Okinawa in 1945

    Maj. Keith Birlem (E, Cardinals-Washington, 1939) – Killed trying to land combat damaged bomber in England in 1943

    Lt. Al Blozis (T, Giants, 1942-1944) – Killed in France, 1945

    Lt. Chuck Braidwood (E, Portsmouth-Cleveland-Cardinals-Cincinnati, 1930-1933) – Member of Red Cross. Killed in South Pacific, winter 1944-1945

    Lt. Young Bussey (QB, Bears, 1940-1941) – Killed in Philippines landing assault in 1944

    Lt. Jack Chevigny (Coach, Cardinals, 1932) – Killed on Iwo Jima in 1945

    Capt. Ed Doyle (E, Frankford-Pottsville, 1924-1925) – Killed during North Africa invasion in 1942

    Lt. Col. Grassy Hinton (B, Staten Island, 1932) – Killed in plane crash in East Indies in 1944

    Capt. Smiley Johnson (G, Green Bay, 1940-1941) – Killed on Iwo Jima in 1945

    Lt. Eddie Kahn (G, Boston/Washington, 1935-1937) – Killed from the Leyte invasion in 1945

    Sgt. Alex Ketzko (T, Detroit, 1943) – Killed in France in 1944

    Capt. Lee Kizzire (FB, Detroit, 1937) – Plane shot down near New Guinea in 1943

    Lt. Jack Lummus (E, Giants, 1941) – Killed on Iwo Jima in 1945

    Pvt. Jim Mooney (E-G-FB, Newark-Brooklyn-Cincinnati-St. Louis-Cardinals, 1930-1937) – Killed in France in 1944

    Lt. Don Wemple (E, Brooklyn, 1941) – Killed in plane crash in India in 1944

    Capt. Waddy Young (E, Brooklyn, 1939-1940) – Plane crashed following first B-29 raid on Tokyo in 1945
    _______________

    * Vietnam War

    Maj. Don Steinbrunner (OT, Cleveland, 1953) – Plane shot down on a defoliation mission over So. Vietnam.

    Lt. Bob Klasu (G, Buffalo, 1968) – 101st Airborne; killed in action in 1970 at Fire Support Base Ripcord in the Shau Valley . . . the last major confrontation between US ground forces and the NVA.
    _______________

    * Iraq / Afghanistan war

    Spec. Pat Tillman (S, Cardinals, 1998-2001) – Killed in action in Afghanistan in 2004.

  3. 3 TommyLawlor said at 1:18 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Well done, ACV.

  4. 4 iceberg584 said at 1:45 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    This is perfect for today. Thanks

    One nitpick: It’s 1LT Bob Kalsu. The reception building at Ft.Campbell is named for him, as was a large Forward Operating Base in Iraq (just south of Baghdad) during the 2003-2011 war.

  5. 5 ACViking said at 1:46 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Thx. I’ll update the list.

  6. 6 P_P_K said at 1:54 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Good work, ACViking. A couple of times over the past week people have asked me if I would be “celebrating” Memorial Day. I know they mean no disrespect since Memorial Day has come to mean little more than the unofficial beginning of summer. Your list, though, is a reminder of the truly somber nature of the day. It’s worthwhile to at least pause and honor these men who gave their lives.

    At the college where I work, the athletic complex has a plaque on which are the names of the schools athletes who died in service before they could graduate. Brings a tear to my eye every time I walk past.

  7. 7 A_T_G said at 3:39 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    A veteran speaking to a group of young people on Friday told them to remember the soldiers and families who have sacrificed for our country, but also to celebrate the day and enjoy it with their families, because that is what those soldiers died to protect.

  8. 8 P_P_K said at 6:01 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Indeed.

  9. 9 A_T_G said at 3:40 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Excellent work, perfect for the day.

    At the risk of looking dumb, E is end, like DE? And what is a B?

  10. 10 goeagles55 said at 4:19 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    End is correct, but here it means defensive-end / tight-end / split-end(WR on the line of scrimmage), since many played both offense and defense.

    I’m not sure on B, but I believe it means back, which covers QB/RB/DB

  11. 11 A_T_G said at 4:35 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Thanks.

  12. 12 ACViking said at 4:20 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    “B” is back . . . either offensive or defensive.

    Lots of the players KIA’d in WWII were veterans of the very early NFL and played both ways.

  13. 13 A_T_G said at 4:36 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Thank you. Good stuff.

  14. 14 Media Mike said at 1:16 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    No inclusion of Gocong’s missed tackles and blown coverages? He sucked.

  15. 15 TommyLawlor said at 1:28 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    No, he didn’t suck. Gocong was at the very least an effective starter.

  16. 16 Media Mike said at 1:45 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I can’t agree. I repeated saw a player fall well short of what was needed as our starting SAM.

  17. 17 Joe Minx said at 4:27 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I don’t think he was ever a great fit for that position. The guy was a monster college pass rusher. All of a sudden he was asked to start covering TEs & diagnosing plays instead of just rushing upfield & attacking which was his strong suit.

  18. 18 Media Mike said at 4:56 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    You’re not wrong at all, so why draft him on a 4-3 team when he’s going to suck at the skill set needed for SAM? Nobody was asking the guy to make pro bowls, but a Carlos Emmons level of competence would have been needed. Especially after we were subjected to that fake-intelligent bow tie fraud Dhani Jones.

  19. 19 Nelson ALGore said at 8:18 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    He was a real fastball lol

  20. 20 pkeagle said at 4:41 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    He would’ve been a good OLB in our current situation IMHO

  21. 21 Media Mike said at 4:55 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    ha ha, is that an indictment on the current roster or the prior regime for taking a guy who couldn’t play in a 4-3?

  22. 22 pkeagle said at 4:57 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    A bit of both probably 🙂

  23. 23 MagLikesDraft said at 8:41 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    like Dion Jordan?

  24. 24 bsuperfi said at 1:56 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I really like the current regime’s focus on measurables and culture. The recent Lane Johnson story is a perfect exemplar. You simply need both to be the best in the modern NFL. Every once in a while, you may get lucky hitting on a Dez Bryant, but it’s not going to happen with as much regularity as if you stay tuned to balancing athleticism with attitude.

    I have to say, I also love the emphasis on fit too. Kelly may be a “visionary” coach, but he’s no Belichik who can change his scheme every week and season and have his players executing. The emphasis on fit is in some way knowing your own weaknesses.

  25. 25 P_P_K said at 1:57 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    TLaw, I’m glad you point our how well Freddie Mitchell played at UCLA. He was a highly touted prospect and I think Reid brought him in so that Donovan could have a real #1 receiver. Freddie has become a punchline now, but at the time of the draft it was a different story.

  26. 26 Media Mike said at 1:59 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I’d love to know what was wrong with Freddie from the neck up that kept him from producing on an NFL level.

  27. 27 TommyLawlor said at 2:00 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Freddie was more interested in being a class clown than paying the price for greatness. Or in his case…goodness.

  28. 28 Media Mike said at 2:02 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    No doubt. Total shame because the talent was 100% there. I can’t fault that pick because there really wasn’t another guy for whom I was screaming that the Eagles needed to draft.

  29. 29 Flyin said at 2:21 PM on May 25th, 2015:

  30. 30 iceberg584 said at 2:57 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I recall several articles in 2001 that talked about his difficulty in learning the offense/playbook, which seems to be reflected in the fact that he barely got on the field despite the starting receivers being Pinkston and Thrash.

  31. 31 A_T_G said at 3:25 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    He spent too much time thanking his hands and not enough pleasing his coaches.

  32. 32 GEAGLE said at 3:33 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Freddy wasa straight up Lunatic in Every sense of the world… What a Charecter that dude was

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 3:31 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Ray McDonald is done.. 3rd arrest for domestic abuse in 9 months..
    ..
    The rape charges from 9 months ago were dropped
    ..
    The domestic abuse of a pregnant woman charges were dropped
    ..
    Now he is arrested for domestic violence and possibke child abusers/endangering welfare of a child..
    ..
    This man is disgusting. Shame on the Bears for signing him, now the idiots will be forced to cut him to save face…

    I’m ready for no tolerance policy on woman and child abuse… Put your hands on a woman or child = lifetime ban, PERIOD! Don’t give a damn who you are and how important you are for a team, these pieces Of crap are getting out of control. It’s getting worse and worse… Goodell better get his friggin house in order, this is starting to disgust me… And scumbags like jerry jones give these pieces of shit a job… Why should teams cut their talented scumbags if Jerty is just going to sigń them all and take advantage?

    Ray McDonald better never play another snap”

  34. 34 Javi Echie said at 4:08 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Scumbag in every sense of the word. Going on 31, 3rd arrest in a short amount of time, this guy career is over.

  35. 35 Kelce's Beard said at 4:51 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I support capital punishment for those offences

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 5:06 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    No punishment is too much as far as I’m concerned… Despicable

  37. 37 Bert's Bells said at 4:53 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    He’ll fit right in in “Big D” with all of the other big d’s.

  38. 38 SteveH said at 5:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    The Cowboys will sign him. If they were willing to sign Hardy they’ll sign Mcdonald. Hell they even brought back Josh Brent after he killed one of his teammates. Generally I’m not going to get overly moral about football players but the Cowboys seem to have literally NO standards at all.

  39. 39 GEAGLE said at 5:15 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Defensive coordinated of the Bears Vic Fangio Is another jackass for vouching for him so the Bears would sign him… What a disgrace

    I’m thrilled Roger Staubach finally., a cowboy spoke up against this trash… Good for Staubach standing up and saying he Wiouldnt play with a piece of trash like Greg Hardy…staubachs comments still hold weight in dallas community, I hope Staubach and the people of dallas make Hardys time in dallas as uncomfortable as possible
    ..
    Disgrace, Greg Hardy is a awesome role model for Randy Gregory who you are taking a shot on…. not
    ..
    The defensive end meeting room in Dallas is going to look like an episode of Americas most wanted the way Jerry is going…

    I’m waiting for the to sigń Ray rice… The cherry on the top of that human scum sunday they are buildiing in Dallas… If any of these scumbags ever repeated their actions to a woman in Jerry’s family, wonder how happy he would be to keep bringing this human trash into his organization… And if Jason Garrett had some class or Balls, he should refuse to coach this trash..
    ..
    I’m not putting all this on Jerry. jason Garrett is glad to coach this scum

  40. 40 GEAGLE said at 5:27 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    We better not lose a single game to these pieces of crap…before chip I was in the meathead camp of not wanting a team of choir boys, but with how disgusting NFL players have become recently, and hearing and seeing all the classy, intelligent, hard working, great team mates chip has prioriitized adding to our roster, I have to admit I’m proud to have a coach and a team full of classy team mates and Human beings. The worst we have had to deal with during the offseason has been a few speeding tickets amd Cooper Embarressing himself and his family with disgusting behavior in public…

    I NEVER want to lose to Dallas, but this year I will be Obssessd with Not losing to Dallas. We cant lose to these pieces of crap filled team that sold its sole trying to win…… We can not lose to dallas this year. jerry can’t be rewarded with wins this year…. I’ll take any other loss like a man, but we can’t lose to the Cowboys this year

  41. 41 Javi Echie said at 4:57 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Dedicated to the douchebag Ray McDonald.

  42. 42 Media Mike said at 5:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Yet people still want to throw up “false accusations” every time a case of this nature pops up even though the number of false abuse / rape accusations are statistically nil.

  43. 43 Greg Richards said at 5:25 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    That is simply a false statement, at least as it applies to false rape accusations. The number of rape allegations determined to be outright false range from 2% to 10% depending on what data is being used and a much higher percentage fall into a gray area. Even if one uses the 2% figure, that is hardly statistically nil. I’d suggest everyone read the following article:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html

  44. 44 Media Mike said at 5:32 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Relative to the massive under-reporting of rape in general (only 40% are ever reported to the authorities), 2% is statistically insignificant.

    http://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297

  45. 45 Greg Richards said at 5:35 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    It’s not insignificant to that 2%(that’s a conservative figure) that is falsely accused. The statistics really don’t matter. Investigators and the courts should treat every accusation individually without letting themselves be influenced by any biases(including those that come from statistics) influencing them in any way, from either side.

  46. 46 Media Mike said at 5:38 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I agree with you on allowing the facts of any case to speak for themselves, but the math by huge margin favors that an accusation leveled of rape of violence is going to be true and that the accused has probably struck multiple times before.

  47. 47 Greg Richards said at 5:45 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    The figures I cited before were only when the evidence directly showed that the accuser had lied. In a much higher percentage, there was either not enough evidence to go to trial or the circumstances were vague in that one side might have legitimately believed there was consent where the other side did not. An accusation does not have to be intentionally false for it to be unfounded and the accused to be innocent or at least not guilty beyond reasonable doubt. It would be nice to live in a world where everything is black and white but the reality is a lot grayer.

  48. 48 MagLikesDraft said at 8:46 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    The courts do not treat every victim individually. Most women who make it to court are vilified and emotionally raped all over again.

  49. 49 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:58 PM on May 26th, 2015:

    I like how “conservative figure” has two meanings here.

  50. 50 daveH said at 9:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    or reported 25 years later by 30 women

  51. 51 A_T_G said at 10:53 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Not to make light of a horrific situation, but I have seen that statistic before and it always leaves me wondering, how is it quantified with such seeming precision that 60% of something never gets reported?

  52. 52 CrackSammich said at 8:33 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Sure, 2% might be innocent, but roughly 100% of athletes accused have some guy down in the comments section promoting their innocence. Perhaps that’s not your motivation, but consider the folk you’re throwing yourself in with.

    More so that that, preaching an attitude of neutrality is a standpoint that supports the rapist/accused rapist every single time.

  53. 53 Avery Greene said at 7:19 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    And this isn’t the stealing boxes variety of offenses.

  54. 54 OldDocMcQuackadillyBlip said at 5:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I think Matt Barkley has really struggled with being “just another guy”.

    The importance of this can not be overstated. For probably the better part of a decade Barkley went through life being the most important guy on the team and having his every move lauded. He’s also an objectively good-looking guy which probably helps further fuels his ego.

    The confidence probably takes a hit when he drops to the fourth, but hey, he got drafted by a team whose options at QB were a declining star who could never pass that accurately anyway, and an immobile, unheard of guy in Nick Foles.

    Any time I’ve heard him speak over the last couple of years he’s come across as a guy struggling to come to grips with the fact he wound up coming third in that QB battle. Irrespective of any issues over arm strength (and those certainly exist) his failure to deal with adversity since reaching the league has really held him back.

  55. 55 Media Mike said at 5:04 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Yeah, he doesn’t strike me a guy who wants to grind to carve out a niche for himself in this league.

  56. 56 iceberg584 said at 6:24 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    So true. I remember his demeanor in the spring/summer 2013 suggested that he expected to be the Eagles’ starting quarterback in short order. Incidents like the Twitter war with Kemspki last year just highlight his overall insecurity since.

  57. 57 P_P_K said at 7:49 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I think this is insightful and accurate. Matt was a bmoc his whole life and his star was rising fast all the way until his injury. How the mighty can fall.

  58. 58 Kelce's Beard said at 10:57 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Irrespective of any issues over arm strength

    *irregardless

    FTFY

  59. 59 A_T_G said at 11:09 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Am I missing a joke here?

    ir·re·spec·tive – not taking (something) into account; regardless of. (Google)

    Irregardless is a word commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century … Most dictionaries list it as “nonstandard” or “incorrect” usage, and recommend that “regardless” should be used instead. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless)

    I think I am with the Doc on this one.

  60. 60 Kelce's Beard said at 11:29 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Am I missing a joke here?

    lol, sorry ATG, but yes indeed, it’s a carryover from B24/7. Irregardless is one of our favorite (non)words. I can feel OldDoc’s anguish from Scotland every time he reads it

  61. 61 A_T_G said at 6:02 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    Good enough, thanks. Carry on.

  62. 62 wee2424 said at 11:40 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I usually like and really respect your views on here, but that’s what you get for playing MB spelling teacher.

    Referring to what ATG said below.

  63. 63 Kelce's Beard said at 11:49 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    sorry, I’ll never do it again

  64. 64 wee2424 said at 9:17 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    Lol I didn’t realize it was a joke. I deleted my comment. I’m not sure as to why it showed my original comment.

  65. 65 wee2424 said at 11:37 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    For some reason every time he speaks I get mad. I just think arrogant delusional ass. I can’t help but think it. I think it has alot to do with the picture that CSN and Birds 24/7 always shows him in. Makes you want to hit him.

    Does anyone else know the picture I am speaking of?

  66. 66 EaglesFan1 said at 5:56 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    This article basically sums up why culture is important. A guy could have all the talent in the world but if he doesn’t give a rat’s behind about improving he will end up a bum.

  67. 67 Media Mike said at 6:00 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Watkins, Danny.

  68. 68 P_P_K said at 6:02 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Two words that place together will always burn.

  69. 69 Media Mike said at 6:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Possibly with him inside of the building where the burning is taking place.

  70. 70 SteveH said at 7:03 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Wouldn’t work.

  71. 71 wee2424 said at 11:21 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Probably could have been a great water boy for us.

  72. 72 wee2424 said at 11:20 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Maybe he is a fake fireman too…..

    Just stands outside the burning building while the rest go in.

  73. 73 EaglesFan1 said at 6:16 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Words that make eagles fans everywhere cringe

  74. 74 TypicalDouche said at 7:53 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I don’t want to sound like I am trying to exonerate Watkins but it wasn’t his fault that Reid absolutely blew the 2011 draft. Watkins, Jarrett, Marsh, Mathews, Rolle, and Henery were all either over drafted or drafted in general. If it wasn’t for getting lucky on Kelce that draft would of went down as one of the top worst drafts of all time. Yes Watkins deserves blame but I would put most of the blame on Andy Reid.

  75. 75 Media Mike said at 7:58 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Key difference being that Watkins was a complete con artist. His former teammates all said as much and absolutely hate that guy for being a gutless puke.

    https://twitter.com/lesbowen/status/545230210481012736

  76. 76 TypicalDouche said at 8:04 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I understand what you’re saying, the only point I am trying to make is that Watkins was a glorified late 2nd or 3rd round pick that Reid took in the 1st. So as much of a waste of life he was as a person, it was the Eagles fault that for drafting a player that had clear signs of being a wimp

  77. 77 Media Mike said at 8:06 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    But the signs weren’t there. Watkins 100% went through everything he needed to in order to dupe the NFL into taking him in the first round. The fault was entirely that of Watkins.

  78. 78 wee2424 said at 11:09 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    No, he was a first round talent. Nobody projected him to go 3rd or even mid to late 2nd. Maybe just maybe early 2nd but that was the minority. When he was drafted the only thing that was rated negative about him was his age.

  79. 79 kevinlied said at 6:33 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    It sucks that he didn’t like football and all, but no fireman is a gutless puke.

  80. 80 Bert's Bells said at 7:18 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    Right on. Firefighters >>>>>>>>> football players

  81. 81 Media Mike said at 4:05 PM on May 26th, 2015:

    Not even the ones who light the fires just so they can get the thrill of putting them out? Not a single one?

  82. 82 kevinlied said at 8:33 PM on May 26th, 2015:

    I’d have to imagine that group is statistically less significant than false reporters of domestic violence. But hey, show me that Watkins intentionally sets fires just to put them out, and I’ll reconsider my position.

  83. 83 Media Mike said at 5:02 AM on May 27th, 2015:

    https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-141.pdf

    http://www.academia.edu/1052842/National_Volunteer_Fire_Council_-_Report_on_the_Firefighter_Arson_Problem_Contexts_Considerations_and_Best_Practices

    Interesting read. And you’re right on the statistical frequency of firefighter / arsonists being extremely low, but it is a problem.

    In either case, F Watkins; he’s forever a gutless puke. I’d be content if he lit himself on fire far away from an occupied building.

  84. 84 wee2424 said at 11:05 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    How do you not blame Watkins? He was drafted roughly where people thought he would go. It’s not like he was a reach and was a victim of his draft position.

    It was all Watkins, he gave up on football and decided to be a fireman. He had ALL the tools. Was even surrounded by good talent and has arguably the best OL coach at the time in Mudd.

  85. 85 D3FB said at 12:50 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    This is absolutely wrong.

    Watkins was a first round talent who people thought would go early second because of the age issue.

    Jarret was an overdraft. Once again lets remember this is arguably the weirdest draft in the modern era because FA hadn’t happened yet so you kind of had to fill holes. Still only by a round or two, guy wasn’t a UDFA grade. Hell he’s still in the league.

    Marsh went exactly where he was supposed to.

    Matthews went where he was projected to go. You can argue the logic of inserting a 4th round rookie into the wide 9 to be your MIKE, but the pick was fine.

    People shit on Henery but forget that most 4th round players are out of the league by the end of their rookie deals after only marginally contributing. If he had continued on his projection from college, where he was a damned good kicker it would have been a decent pick.

    Rolle was a highly productive undersized LB who went in the 6th round, and actually played decently until it went to his head.

    So I would have to strongly disagree with your assesment.

  86. 86 GEAGLE said at 8:25 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Coversly if an young man works his ass off while Recieving good coaching, he is Goimg to improve…

  87. 87 EaglesFan1 said at 9:52 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    And thankfully I think we have both on this team

  88. 88 wee2424 said at 11:01 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Wish it worked like that all the time. Unfortunately the talent might be so great that he will still be a good player and collect millions. He just won’t be as great as he could have been.

  89. 89 GEAGLE said at 8:31 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Details were released, McDonald was arrested for physically assaulting a woman holding a baby… Smh I will enjoy knowing this animal will never play another snap in the NFL

  90. 90 wee2424 said at 10:59 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    Well.. When he was with the 9ers and everything was dropped I felt as though he very well could have been a victim of circumstance considering what was taking place in the league at the time. Now I know he is a scumbag, and the fact that the woman was holding a baby should earn him a spot in hell.

  91. 91 deshawnbentley said at 6:47 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    Double standard. Domestic abuse isn’t as bad as a dui

  92. 92 MagLikesDraft said at 8:40 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I still don’t get all the love for DeSean Jackson. Or the disdain for Miles Austin, which shows up in various fan comments. One has caught 36 touchdown passes, the other has caught 38. Jackson shows lots of flash, but somehow, flashy seldom wins Super Bowls. Defense still wins, along with steady offense. And sometimes a little ‘luck’.

  93. 93 daveH said at 8:59 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    we got no rings, so our ‘super bowl’ is beating the gints or cowboys.
    DJax is a dope but he was our dope. (I think drafting a guy and see him make good is a huge excitement that gets lost in the business of the franchises). he gave us possibly the greatest Eagles moment ever .. how would you rank the runback? easily top 3 at the very least

  94. 94 wee2424 said at 10:42 PM on May 25th, 2015:

    I’m not against him not being on this team but one stretches the D and is putting up thousand yard seasons while being one of the premier play makers in the NFL and the other guy is always hurt and hasn’t put up close to a 700 yard season in a few years. One is a starter and the other isn’t.

    Imagine Djax with Agholor and Mathews in the slot. Sounds alot more dangerous then possibly Agholor and Mathews with Huff in slot or even worse and very conceivable Agholor and Cooper with Mathews in the slot.

    The team would have benefited greatly with Djax out there instead of Cooper last year. Not to mention he wouldn’t have been delivering big plays AGAINST us last year.

    Saying that I understand why people are upset he isn’t on the team. He has delivered some of the biggest plays in our franchise’s history, and has the only walk off punt return in team history to help us win arguably the most dramatic comeback in NFL history. The guy is a game changer, and even without him touching the ball he affects the opposing team’s defence.

    Am I mad that he is gone? No. Was I originally? Yes, but it was tempered because I knew Maclin would go off and I thought Cooper would be good for us. I was wrong about the latter.

    Personally I like the Austin signing.

  95. 95 eagleyankfan said at 8:11 AM on May 26th, 2015:

    Good article. I’m not a fan of just looking at numbers and saying ‘he avg (whatever) ypc’ .. for example. That’s just a small snippet of who that player was. R. Brown wasn’t very good. He had a promising rookie season. He just was never good enough to take the next step. As a second(I think second) round pick, you have higher expectations than beyond a rookie year. He was a disappointment.
    ……
    I will always remember the quote(no need to say who it was) — “I still think Reggie Brown will make an impact in the NFL”. After a few years with the Eagles, he never played in an NFL game. Some impact.
    ….