Hot Topic: #3 OLB
Posted: June 18th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 257 Comments »Connor Barwin and Brandon Graham are both coming off career years. They will be the starting OLBs for the Eagles and expectations for them are pretty high. With Graham taking over a starting role this year, that leaves a big opening for the #3 OLB spot.
This is a great opportunity for Marcus Smith, last year’s fairly invisible 1st round pick. If he can win the #3 job for now, that would help the team and slowly get fans on his side. There is no worse role in sports than being the object of the scorn of disappointed Eagles fans. Smith got off to a slow start this spring due to a nagging injury, but is now back on the field. Sheil Kapadia talked about him.
11:51 a.m. – I have joked before about being the lone passenger on the Marcus Smith bandwagon, but I swear that watching him move in practice, he looks like an NFL player. He’s long, athletic, and effort doesn’t seem to be an issue.
Maybe after being ping-ponged from outside linebacker to inside linebacker, it was the mental part that tripped him up last season. We’ll see if that’s the case once the pads come on.
12:58 – Smith comes off the edge to “sack” Barkley. C’mon, I told you, there’s still room on the bandwagon. Anyone? Anyone??
Smith has added about 15 pounds this year. He has all the physical tools necessary to be a good starting OLB in the 3-4. He just has to put everything together. Sheil is hopeful with Smith. So am I. But Chip Kelly isn’t going to wait forever. Smith needs to show serious progress this year.
Are the Eagles optimistic about Smith?
The news that Vinny Curry is now taking some reps at OLB would lead me to believe otherwise. The Eagles know you need 3 OLBs to eat up all the snaps that the defense will play. And that’s if everyone stays healthy. You can’t count on Smith turning into a key OLB. The Eagles want it to happen. They hope it happens. But they are clearly keeping their options open.
Curry is about 280 pounds so it isn’t likely he’ll make the full-time move to OLB, but I do like this move. He is a terrific pass rusher and I’m for getting him more snaps. Using him in the base as a 3-4 DE isn’t optimizing his skills. He has gotten much better at that and is now a good backup, but Curry is at his best in passing situations when he can attack.
Putting him at OLB gives him another chance to attack up the field. He does have some coverage responsibilities there, but the Eagles can limit those when he’s on the field. Curry is studying Barwin and asking him lots of questions as he tries to pick up the subtleties of the position.
Beyond those two, the Eagles have Travis Long and Bryan Braman as OLBs. Braman is mainly a STs demon, but he has good quickness off the edge and could develop into a situational pass rusher. Long is a player the Eagles had high hopes for last year. He tore his ACL in the preseason finale and is on the way back. Domo just posted a good piece on him.
Brad Jones and Emmanuel Acho both came to the Eagles as ILBs, but are getting looks on the outside. Jones has started on the outside in the past. Acho played OLB in the 4-3 in college and has some pass rush ability. Jordan Dewalt-Ondijo is a UDFA with some pass rush ability.
Long is the most interesting guy because of his size and youth. The Eagles list him at 6-4, 255 and he’s just 23 years old. He will play on STs and last summer got some reps at ILB. He is the kind of hard-working, versatile guy you want on the bench. I don’t think he has the burst to ever be a starting OLB in the 3-4, but he could be a valuable role player. Effort will never be a question and he is a tough, physical defender.
The ACL injury doesn’t seem to be slowing Long down this spring. He’s healthy and just got permission to practice without the brace. Smith can benefit from getting pushed by guys like Long, Braman, Jones and Acho. Smith is far more talented than any of them, but he needs to produce results. The other guys are more of the overachiever types. Hopefully being around them will bring out the best in Smith.
The Eagles need someone to step forward and claim the #3 OLB spot.
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Working Curry at OLB just seems like a move to maximize talent.
It’s the sort of thing a lot of us here have been clamoring for, and one of the few disappointments with Kelly.
I don’t think Kelly has been the guy failing to maximize talent with his starting 11; that’s on Billy Davis.
The pieces are all there on D this year, time for Billy to get it done. I think out of anybody on the team (player or coach) Davis should be sitting on the hottest seat.
I hear what you’re saying about Davis, but it’s true on the offensive side of the ball too -Ertz’ lack of playing time, underutilizing Sproles, few two back sets -things like that.
I agree with those criticisms, but I still see the f-ups by the D as the biggest problem contributing to choke mode down the stretch last year.
CK doesn’t adjust enough for fantasy football unfortunately. He needs to be fired.
I’ve never played imaginary football. Is Ertz good in it?
No, average. He’d be good if he was on the field more.
GET HIM ON THE FIELD!!!
Ertz lack of playing time has made him hungry and he’s constantly improving. Theres no reason to believe he won’t have a breakout year barring injuries
No,thirsty.
I think you can complain about the lack of success on the defense, but the utilization of the DL/front 7 has been massively successful. That’s probably one of the best things he’s done.
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have not been good enough. Also the failure to adjust to the manner in which our secondary was burned over and over all year on deep passes. Now if the whole thing really was the old DB coaches fault, I’ll give more credit to Davis after that old DB coach is publicly shamed while also being tarred and feathered.
The results have been great from the Front 7, which is what I was talking about. Have you seen our stats versus the run?
Logan was a rookie NT going against two of the best guards in the league– It’s time to let that one go.
Home playoffs losses are not let go, they’re avenged or they’re not avenged. Once avenged, we can move on to settling the next score.
I do agree that the front 7 has been good, but as long as the overall D is still not getting the job done I don’t want to compartmentalize praise in one are while there have been massive problems in another.
Hopefully that is all fixed this year.
Davis gets outcoached by good OC, that’s become obvious to me.
If a reporter asked chip If Billy Davis was on the hot seat for his job, I’d bet you anything that chip would be furious and disgusted to hear that people,were,thinking so poorly Of billy after the job he has done the first two years with this personel. If a,reporter brings it to chips attention that people are so down on Billy we would see chip really pissed telling us we couldn’t be more wrongl after how often Billy’s Defense saved chips ass… This is a dude who coached our first shutout in years with a roster with glaring holes in the secondary. The defensive show on display thanksgiving night.. The defense saved this Offense more then a couple times, yet the first thing chip did when he came to power is say we had too much inested in offense,and not enough defense and needed to redistribute allocations of assets taking from the offense and dumping it into the defense,,.l yet people think billy is on the hot seat in chips mind? NO WAY! No way!
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Who’s the hot young defensive assistant who’d be of interest to the “Fire Billy Now” crowd?
Or the experienced guy who’s lost a D.C. job in a housecleaning and is biding his time as a LB coach, for example?
Or the H.C., and former D.C., who’s headed for the unemployment line after this year?
Nobody is saying fire Billy, NOW. But we are saying that he is and should be, on the hot seat. He has enough quality players on defense now. No more excuses.
You, my friend ….. are, correct!
The old DB coach, worked for Davis. So, ultimately it was Davis fault.
The Smith “bandwagon” is occupied right now by those who are hoping a first round pick will actually pan out. I’m hopeful, too, but i want to see him do something in contact practices and pre-season before I buy a ticket for the bandwagon. In the tourist section.
The bandwagon is filled with people who understood his high ceiling while being aware that it was going to always take him at least a year before he could be ready to contribute in the NFL,,,..so while it’s never fun to not get anything from a rookie 1st round pick, it’s soooo not the big deal the ignorant have made it out to be,, shame that was the kids first Introduction to eagle fans..
I agree. Different situation, but I think about Trotter. 3rd round pick but played in 8 games and had 3 tackles his first season. There was a regime change and they drafted Barry Gardner with the 4th pick in the 2nd round to be the MLB the very next season. Been a while, but I seem to remember the media talking about him having to move outside and fight for a spot on the team. Didn’t produce as a rookie so the he was thought to be a fringe player.
Thank you, I couldn’t agree more.
Smith’s career is going better than mine .. anyone need a salesperson ?
which part of the country?
nyc but willing to move and travel
I don’t view Curry getting looks at OLB as a bad sign for MSII. There will be 4 ILB and 4 OLBs making the roster, I assume. + Braman as a pure STer.
You have to be able to react if an OLB gets hurt. Barwin and Graham are locks to make the roster, MSII and Long are pretty much locks to be the back-ups, imo. But if one of these guys gets hurt, especially the starters, you can’t rely on Long or MSII to give you 80 percent of the snaps and play well. Getting Curry used to some obvious passing downs as OLB is the smart thing to do, imo. Especially since Long and MSII should be able to cover. Pass Rush would be the problem if Barwin or Graham are out.
And don’t forget: while he may improved, you don’t want Graham covering, also. At least not on more than 5-10 percent of the snaps. Curry is obviously more than Graham a pure Pass Rusher, but it isn’t like the Defense will be mirrored at OLB as long as Graham is here. Getting Curry in there as an emergency something happens to Graham changes things, but it won’t change THAT much.
Yeah it’s not. Big deal at all as far as Marcus is concerned,,, Keep in mind, that Curry often was moved around and given snaps as a 4-3 DE on 3rd down, which is basically our OLBs anyway, so really Curry has always taken some snaps from our OLBs, so while it’s great to hear them trust curry enough to expand his role, I don’t really view Curry playing OLB as an Indictment of MS2 or Long..
I would add Prosinski to that list. If a ST player like him (and he is good at it) is bad enough on D to get cut by the freaking Jags, I don’t want him in my Philly Defense.
And don’t forget that Graham probably won’t play as much Teams, if any at all, as last season in his new role. Graham played great on ST last year. I would assume Long is kind of his replacement in that regard. Sure would help if MSII can take Caseys ST role, f.e., because Burton was a ST beast already.
Yeah that’s how I also view Prisonski, but I assumed he wasnt going to make the roster. I understand making sure our back up defendwrs needing to be quality ST players, but I don’t know that I see us keeping Prosinski, when we are already carrying two defenders, who really aren’t here to add ANYTHNG to the defense(braman/Maragos)… Can we really carry a 3rd? Doubt it..,
We did last year.
Remember, Casey was more or less ST only, too. We as fans may view the 4th TE spot from last year to be up for grabs for a 6th WR, f.e. (and it could be the case, Ajirotutu should be a very good ST player), but it could be, in Chips mind, for a player like Prosinski.
It’s possible, but I think we have too much talent for Proz to survive.. I bet Chip would rather Keep Bair as a 7th DL then to keep Pros as the 3rd,ST player who can’t contribute to the defense.
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Not fair to put JAmes Casey in that group. We ended up using Casey as a ST player but that’s because Ertz and Celek stayed Healthy. had one got hurt, Casey had that talent and ability to step In and not skip a beat. He was a ST player but also a backup TE we could count on if injuries OCCURED…l Proz is different, so is BRAMAN and Maragos, guys who are listed as defenders,but ARENT adequate backups if the starter gets hurt…. Unless I’m grossly underestimating Proz and Maragos?
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You’re right about Casey. He would have been capable to do more than he did, but in the end, he was a pure STer.
Not worried about MS2.. Don’t know what to expect when the season opens in Atlanta, but at some point it will click for him this year, and Id expect that by the end of this season, he will have started to flash enough to where people are going to have much more positive opinion of him next summer going into the 2016 season..
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long vs. ms2 isn’t that big of deal because if they are ready to contribute, I’m sure both would rotate in and get some pass rush opportunities.
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Currys role expanding is great news, but it’s not as drastic as it sounds. Maybe he sees some snap at OLB on first and second down, but when we go to 3rd down pass rush we are typically in a 4 man line, and curry has often lined up at 4-3 DT and as a 4-3DE… Giving him snaps at 4-3DE basically means he was already taking some of the OLBs pass rush opportunities, this added role just means we may see him some at OLB on 1st and 2nd down… With that said, he has learned to use his explosiveness as a big weapon even when they use him as an interior rusher. that won’t change, I just think we should see a few more opportunities for Vinny this year, and we will move him around and have him rush from all over the place,
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MSduece talked about how his goal for this year is to fill the role BG played last year, which would be a really nice start for him
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Think the way this city has treated Marcus is absurd and shows blatant ignorance from fans and media..might not happen as fast as people would like, but that kid is going to turns into a player. he has all the raw tools, he has put in the work to build his body, and I wouldn’t bet against a talent like him who Barwin, BG and Jason Peters have all taken under their wings, helping to grow him and improve his craft…kid had a ton of raw ability and talent, but it was always going to take him at least a year before he would be able to contribute, so the way fans and media treated thjs kid last year just showed pure ignorance
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Hopefully Long can stay healthy and both him and Marcus can get on the field, give us a spark and contribute from day 1, either way sooner or later I know it’s going to click for this young man.. the BIGGEST obstacle for MS2 to overcome is setting the edge against the run game, but with the added Bulk and getting to Battle The Monster Jason Peters every day is great for his development in run defense..
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A HUGE improvement this year is the coverage ability of our LBs, BG is improving in this area, but neither BG nor Trent Cole will be able to drop back n coverage as well as athletic Marcus will grow to do. marcus in coverage across from Barwin gives us the best cover ability from two OLBs that we have had since chip arrived, and pairing Kiko and Mykal gives us as good of a corp of LB in coverage as any team in this league has…should be a Dramatic improvement in the coverage ability we get from our backers..
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Andy Reid starved us for a decade when it came to Linebackers, it’s like I have died and gone to Buddy Ryan Eagles Heaven with this nasty corp of Linebackers..waited so long to see a defense like this again.. I Don’t care what happens on offense, Defense alone has me so excited over this season.. finally a defense worthy of representing this city
Chip has climbed the highest mountains, and run through the fields, but he still hasn’t found what he’s looking for.
we’re going from U2 in June to Queen in February.
How? We got rid of LeShon and his parties with Fat Bottomed Girls.
LeSean was often seen riding his bicycle on the sidelines during games as well.
Or will another one bite the dust as Kelly cuts yet another top talent?
If you can’t be optimistic in June when can you be? we are not a favorite but we have a shot, and I like our odds better than all but about…off top of my head, 3-4 teams.
Chip is about to have his last press conference until training camp in August around 10:10am on CSN and Eagles website
“The news that Vinny Curry is now taking some reps at OLB would lead me to believe otherwise.”
Can’t this also mean that they are expanding roles and what they can do on defense?
That’s exactky what it means.. Go listen to the brandon Graham interview, he was raving and teasing the media about the new things they will see him do and his expanded role that we will be excited to see…
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It’s year 3 and a lot of these young defenders have grown up now in this defense. Expecting a lot of roles to expand on defense and adding a lot to our defensive playbook this year
expanded role = makes more sense to keep curry next year, so hopefully that works out.
if VINNY Gobbles up double digit sacks again, I like our chances of keeping him, but can’t let him reach the open market. Gotta get the extension done while we have exclusive negotiation rights, He is a lifelong Eagle who specializes In a Very important skill set, eating QBs… When we get back to the Super Bowl. VINNY needs to be Huntiing QBs in midnight green!
I wondered if there was a potential conflict between number of backup DL and LBs kept. If someone like Curry is successfully cross-trained to a level equal to some of the backup OLBs, that means they might be able to justify going heavy on the DL when the final roster cuts are made.
I think you need to have 6 DL. 8 LB, 4 CB, 4S as the base number of guys you keep on D. Then you need to figure out who you’d like to keep “extra” at any of those spots.
Think the ONLY real question about the DL this year is if They are going to keep Bair or if they will be forced to cut him since Hart is making this years roster…..so essentially, they have to decide if they can justify keeping 1’more defensive lineman then they kept last year. if the answer is No, we lose Bair who has been a nice solid contributor..
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That’s really the ONLY DL question that needs,answering this summer
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That 6’9 DE, ‘7th round pick is going to practice squad I assume
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Bye Bye Bair.
“papa Bair” is going to make it real hard for Chip and AZZ to cut him. Initaially I was pissed at listening young Kruger for this Oldhead, but Bair made,a believer out of me, making plays on Defense and also bringing it on Special teams with blocked FG’s… It won’t be easy for chip to cut him, you can bet chip will look at the roster a few times seeing if he can skimp from another position to keep him..
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actually, if I’m not mistaken we kept 6 DL last year since Hart redshirted, but I think in 2013 we kept 7 DL and one didn’t dress on Gameday. We had the 6’9 Gaethers. Sopoaga to start the season, Damn Squares who looked like he was hit by a Mac truck when the cowboy RB ran him over..
Of course it’s going to be drastically more difficult to make this roster then it was in 2013 when we kept 7 DL’s coming out of camp (eventually traded Soap)…..
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I would,strongly suggest to defenders at other positions who are on the roster bubble to make,sure they make enough plays to keep up with Bair because the last spot at another position could end up getting cut so Chip can keep the 7th DLineman ….
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Chip often talks about just wantmg as many good football players at possible. I could see him coming to the conclusion tnag Bair is one of the best 53 players and that he deserves to make the roster,even if we have to skimp from another position….. the more versatile players you have on your roster, the easier it is for you to get away with skimping from another position…
Chip seems to really like, on O and D, being able to confuse the other side by not knowing who is doing what. Mixing receivers, mixing who is rushing or dropping back etc. Having safeties that are borderline CB’s. So I think this is a natural progression.
Obviously confusion helps. Chip Kelly’s offense may be the least confusing offense in the league though. We count on being able to out-execute and out-pace the defense.
As a defense, confusion may be more important though just because it’s one of the only ways for the defense to dictate what happens.
So “par” for the Eagles this year on sack total is appx 50. They were at 49 last year.
Last year they had Barwin(14.5), Curry (9), Cole (6.5), Graham (5.5), Cox (4), and Kendricks (4) as the major contributors to that total.
So how can we get to 50 this year?
Barwin 12
Graham 12(24)
Smith 8 (30)
Curry 8 (38)
Cox 6 (44)
Random other dudes 6 (50)
Smith at 8? wow that would be awesome. 8 tackles or sacks? just kidding.
dude, where’s Kiko on your list? Kendricks too.
Smith, as a first round draft pick, should start producing and I’ve set the bar high for him this year.
I have the ILB numbers going down overall because we’ll need to blitz those guys next because the production from the OLBs should be going up.
8 sacks just seems way above “high” but I sure hope so.
Mulligan year is over; time for Smith to get some work done.
I wonder what percentage of guys like BARWIN and BG’s sacks numbers are a direct result of Cox’s dominance? 10%? Yesterday chip reminded the media how special Cox is and that BARWIN and guys will tell you that cox was responsible for some of their sacks.. The coaches always stress this and they are right, sack stats are misleading, it’s probably more important to view sacks as a team stat, especially with this selfless group that does so much twisting and stunting. Instead of just paying attention to who got the sack, It’s probably important to see what combo of players were out there rushing the QB when the sack occured.
barwin’s? a lot. B had a lot of effort sacks and coverage sacks, Cox makes that whole thing work.
*** I’m that guy ***
Your count total here is 52. I like that better than 50.
I had to edit it to get it back to 50, so I’m also “that guy” when I catch my own math errors.
LOL – my wife used to teach English, so I constantly have to go back to fix spelling/grammatical errors.
I hate that guy. But better than correcting grammar.
* I hate that guy, but it is better than correcting grammar.
It took me a second, very funny.
I see Kendricks / Kiko combining for 8-10, think that will be much more productive ILB spot. Graham will be about 6-8, Smith will be at 4 hopefully, other dudes at 6.
My hope is that our OLB play is so dominant that we don’t have to blitz the ILBs as much to generate pressure. And I need more than the numbers you have out there for Graham and Smith given salary and draft position.
I personally think smith, to the extent he plays will be better in coverage, batted balls, picks, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if those two count for 10-12 sacks, be interesting to see if barwin can repeat that total.
I think Barwin comes down a tick from the 14.5, but I’d like to see Graham and Smith murdering people from ROLB on a regular basis.
I can see Barwin with double digits again at least, Graham could too, I agree with other values except Cox, for his position that would be a career year which very well could be this year also.
If Graham hits double digits, I will shit my pants.
The presence of Brandon Graham in these stories about Marcus Smith should serve as some useful context. Graham was a similar story to Smith- disappointing early on, written off by a lot of people. He’s clearly come good a few years on into his NFL career. Smith is now looking up at a guy whose footsteps he can follow in. That’s got to be encouraging for him (though I guess it would be nice if he could do it more quickly).
Difference being is that Graham was;
a) on the field a lot more than Smith as a rookie.
b) not used properly by idiot McDermott at the time. Look at Trent Cole’s comments from that year about the utilization of personnel under idiot McDermott
c) Graham was slowed down big time by a viscous (and illegal, but not fined by the league) chop block on his knee from Tyson Clabo. In a related matter, Tyson Clabo’s death will be a celebratory event that should culminate with a mass urination and deification on his grave.
All of that aside, I agree with you that Graham should be an excellent mentor to help Smith along as he navigates learning how to be a pro with high expectations placed on him.
I hate those viscous, slimey chop blocks 😉 you’re right about Clabo, of course.
Agree with you about circumstances being different for the two players. I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is a lot that can hold up a first-year player and whilst an NFL team needs to be a conveyer belt of talent, every player’s development is an ongoing process. I don’t understand writing a player off after their rookie year (not saying you or Lawlor were, of course).
Agree completely.
Sometimes you just take your death scenarios too far.
F Clabo. He’s never been properly held to account for his crimes.
I really don’t understand how someone can look at our roster on paper and not think we are obviously more talented then last year.
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looking at our roster compared to our division rivals, what position groups are our Rivals stronger then we are at? for example:
1) The Eagles might prove that we actually have Guards that can play, but looking at the team today on paper, we have to admit that we would have to concede right now that Dallas has the better OL, since their group is proven and we have two question marks. We may prove to be as good or better, but we cant assume that today, we have to admit the edge goes to Dallas OL until proven otherwise..but even with our guards being a question, I easily give us the nod over the improved skins OL and trashy Midget line..
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2) WR is tricky because on paper we could say that all 3 of our Rivals have better high end #1 and #2 WRs..It’s tough to just assume Jordan mathews is today better then Dez. Desean, Garcon, Cruz, ODB.. But while our rivals,have bigger name #1 and #2 WRs, as a group we probably have more quality weapons to attack defenses thru the air.. riley Cooper and Miles Austin could end up the #4 and #5 WRs by the end of the year. our rivals DONT have that type of depth… how would you rate the Eagles Group of WR compared to our rivals?
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3) our division right now isn’t known for elite secondaries, we should be a much improved Secondary, where would it rate amongst the secondaries of our Rivals?
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think we easily have the best TE’s, Linebackers, Defensive lineman, RBs in the division…
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Best special Teams I ever seen on Any level
Let me begin by stating that your comparisons are more NBA appropriate than NFL. I like the Eagles to take the East Division because they have the strongest TEAM on paper. Bradford, Matthews and DeMarco have all had injury issues, but even if Sanchize is the QB, I think we still win the Division. If we lose both Murray and Murray, we could still contend for the Division, if our O-line jells. We will have the best ST in the League, the best D in the Division and top 5 in the Conference. I anticipate a great test for the NFC pecking order when Arizona and your beloved Bruce come to town. That game should tell us a lot about who we are.
Fuck Bruce! Yeah I said it 🙂
i said that a few days ago hahaha…. but I’ll say it again Fu*k Arians!
I really don’t understand how someone can look at our roster on paper
and not think we are obviously more talented then last year.
I try to read T-Law’s column and the comments every day. And the stories on the Eagles by local and not-so-local media.
So I’m wondering who’s been beating the “Eagles Less Talented with Kelly as 1st-Year GM” drum recently?
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Disclosure: I don’t watch NFL network or ESPN.
LOL @ Cowboys website:
“1. Another solid practice for Darren McFadden carrying the ball. It is clear that he not only has the ability to extend the play once he gets through the hole, but when it comes to creating on the move he has that stop-start quickness that DeMarco Murray lacked. There is a noticeable difference when the ball starts play-side, but it quickly ends up on the back side when McFadden is carrying it.”
If the Cowboys fans read that Austin looks good they will laugh, too.
If I’m a Cowboys fan and look at the Eagles starting OGs, I would laugh, too.
Everybody’s a great player this time of the year. In the end, it matters in September. We’ll see how McFadden looks then. And we’ll see how Barbre/Tobin/Gardner look then.
McFadden’s already hurt.
I’m laughing at how they seem to be completely pleased with letting Murray go as if he is chump change. McFadden is garbage who continually shows up small.
Which is why you don’t see any of us going crazy on predicting big things for Ryan Matthews. Much like McFadden, he’s a great physical challenge who has shown zero ability to be a reliable NFL football player. I’ve never drafted the guy in fantasy, but Matthews (now that he’s in town) should spend a good deal of time this year driving around and apologizing to guys in some of my fantasy leagues who have drafted him over the years. McFadden should do the same.
Yea I wont be going out and bragging about Mathews, that’s for sure. I do think he has two things going for him this year; less playing time, and sports science.
I probably would rather start Ryan Mathews instead of any of the cowboy RB’s…… Yet I don’t expect much more then 8-12 carries a game for like 50 yards out of Ryan…… So while Im not gonna hype up Mathews, but what does that say about the Cowboys RB’s that I think someone who will only get 8 carries in some games is better then any of the cowboy RBs running their mouth.
We will play with two OGs with how many combined starts?
In a Salary Cap league, you have to take some chances on cheap players. Chip chose OG as the position to do this, the Cowboys chose RB.
For the record: I don’t think McFadden will work out. But it’s not like we don’t have positions that look like holes from the outside. Just like RB for the Cowboys looks like a real hole.
Guard, ok, well for one we didn’t let a premier OG in his prime walk and go to a division rival. We let go a 34 Guard go that was untradable. At some point we needed youth to step up on the OL.
I won’t sit here and defend every Eagles move, but the fact that Cowboys media is completely writing off Murray which carried their team last year is beyond me.
Because of his comments he made it easier but we forgot about Shady pretty fast, too. It happens. You cheer for what you have on your roster.
I know I would be cheering for McFadden if I was a Cowboys fan. I would maybe be sceptical, but hoping nonetheless.
But would you fluff him him as a better than Murray?
Still makes no sense to say “Murray lacks quickness” bullshit. C’Mon man get real.
“Murray lacks quickness” could be the equivalent of “Shady lost so many yards because of his dancing”.
Look, all I’m saying is that I try not to criticize other people for doing things I also do. They try to get over him and make some stuff up. And while there was truth to those statements about Shady, it was overblown from us Eagles fans, too. It’s how fans are.
I don’t devalue or rip shady as a runner. He led the league in rushing the last time we had a healthy line. I’m not excited about our run game because I all of the sudden devalue shady to get over him. I’d probably say Shady for Demarco is a wash, a fair trade, lateral move. personally I prefer the bruising style power back, but who are we kidding, we all loved shady when he used to make defenders tackle air… I don’t devalue shady at all.. Demarco is a lateral move in terms of talent, but my REAL EXCITEMENT comes from Murray AND Ryan Mathews. I think it’s fair to say without devaluing shady that,having two RBs who have probowl, franchise RB/1st round talent is better then having 1 shady, and it certainly doesn’t,hurt that I think in the game of football, improving your physicality at ANY position will make you a better football team, and without devaluing shady, we have,to admit that the RB position will be signifcantly more physical ts. Year then it has been since DUCE n Buck wore the midnight Green…. And when a big per of our offense is wearing defenses down with Tempo, I’m giddy to see how much more we can wear teams down now that we are adding so much physicality to our run game..
And you still have Sproles as that change of pace back.
Hell yeah… Sproles will still get a couple carries to keep defenses honest when he is in the game, but I would assume we will see a much bigger role in the passing game then Last season… And he is such a respected matchup nightmare that he makes for a great decoy when we snapping the ball every 6 seconds and defenses have to scramble to see where he is lined up and make sure they have someone decent matched up against him..
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sproles,can extend his career a few years because even when you don’t use him as much on offense, he is such a great and reliable punt returner who gives an offense a tremendous boost. No dancing like Desean, just run straight and turn the jets on like Brian Mitchell…. Such a potent field position weapon… Heck THATS exactly what won the saints the playoff game against us… Either bails your offense out of bad position, or gives you exceptional position and you can count on him to not make mistakes which is a massive luxury
you despised the Matthews signing and called him all kinds of names. I’m glad you’ve come around.
haha yup.
I hate Mathews. I have this image of soft, unfulfilled potential… But I always recognize his sheer talent and ability. I can’t take away the fact that he is a probowler, franchose back, 1st round talent…. murray is a much better RB, Ryan might be more talented…. He just hasn’t put it all together the,way he really could have yet…. I had a horrible image of soft Frat boy Sanchez when he got here, now I’m thrilled to have him and be wrong about him,… I’m hoping Mathews changes my soft, fumbling when it gets gritty, underachiever but extremely talented image I have of him
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I’m hoping Murray and Mathews can help cover up some issues. mathews could to ake the pounding of franchise backs and always got hurt, hopefully a complimentary Buckhalter type role keeps his fresh and healthy… And if Murray ever had to miss a game, I woluld expect Ryan to have a big game in this offense….. Really I need both RB’s to stay healthy and eliminate the fumbles.. Give me that, and I’ll be glad to appologize to Ryan
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The Kid is almost 230lb and chip thinks he is so explosive we are using him on Kick off return…. That’s talent for his size
You make fair points. I don’t want to pick out one or two users. My comment was more general in how most of the fans thought after they saw our moves at RB.
Where are the points made from Eagles Official site that says “Murray blast through the hole whereas McCoy would have just danced around.” ?
Also take a look at Murray’s numbers:
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=DeMarco&l=Murray&i=6402
Mcfadden numbers:
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Darren&l=McFadden&i=8015
In no way is McFadden quicker, and didnt even test for 20yrd/three cone/60yrd shuttle did McFadden.
“In a Salary Cap league, you have to take some chances on cheap players.
Chip chose OG as the position to do this, the Cowboys chose RB.”
The simplest explanation I’ve seen, it’s about assessing where you can take a risk and going from there, kudos on the wording.
Eagles fans laugh when they read that Austin looks good against air. It’s the one thing we have in common with Dallass.
Show me any fluff piece from the official Eagles website talking bad about McCoy or Maclin.
Maclin is a different story because Chip likes him, I believe.
And yes, Spadaro probably didn’t trash Shady, but at the same time, I’m pretty sure he wrote about how great it will be to have “one cut, north-south” type of runner in Murray and Mathews. It’s the company narrative. Just like it’s the company narrative for the Cowboys to say that McFadden is good. Or that the Eagles will be in good shape at OG.
We will all see how it will play out on Sundays.
I will only echo the words of Demarco himself who said every great RB had a good O line. That could very well work out for the next in line in Dallas. Although Im in your boat when it comes to McFadden, Im thinking more of a young guy coming in and showing up. That is a beast of a line but whats more important, the back or the line play? Its an interesting debate, they both rely on each other but I think Id almost lean 65/35 to line play. Also depends on the style of the back. Shady was doing a lot on his own at the second level with his amazing cut backs.
measured, thoughtful.
excellent
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/307954251.html
What a bs article from Bob Ford.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/47/16/c4/4716c4aef92cb70e8f4a2cc40dfc7c38.jpg
You know who treats his roster like he’s in College? Belichick. Carroll. You better don’t f*** around with those guys when it comes to contracts.
We’ll see how successful Kelly will be. For the Mathis decision, it all comes down to how good Barbre, Tobin, Gardner and Kelly turn out to be. But from a philosophical standpoint, Kelly is acting like some of the best of them.
And if you look at how Belichick treats players like this 200 Yard RB who has been cut during the season or Super Bowl hero Butler for being late to a meeting, you can bet his players heard the phrase “no one is bigger than the team” very often.
Not that you’re wrong, but Belichick also had no problem keeping Randy Moss on his roster for several years.
And we’ll see about f-ing around and contracts with Wilson and the Seahawks. Seattle is going to need to find a way to pay that guy and/or ignore any smack talk in the press on the topic. That situation is likely to get worse before it gets better. Wilson is head and shoulders above that clown dope Scam Newtwon, so Wilson is going to need to be in the $22-$23 mil / year range. Bennett and Carter have also been grousing about contracts all off-season, but they’re still there as well.
Belichick also had no problems signing knuckleheads like Talib, Blount or Browner. He believes that his culture will keep this guys straight and if not, he will cut them.
But: we’re talking about moves way after year 5 of his time in Boston. He established his culture already when he made moves like that.
Chip is in year 3. Big difference.
I hear you there. I really can’t think of any fools that Belichick kept on the team during his initial time as the head coach in NE.
I don’t know if Chip will ever do that, but I could imagine a locker room with Ertz, Matthews, Agholor, Bradford, Barwin, Kelce, Jenkins etc. should be able to control one or two knuckleheads. Especially in one or two years. I get the feeling it’s in their DNA already and I assume it absolutely will be in one or two years.
Well said Dominik.
And anyone who ever worked in a group knows how powerful peer pressure can be. We just have to look at the players reaction to Mathis. At least the players who spoke out publicly are either lying and trying to brownnose Chip (I doubt it) or they really felt like Mathis let them down.
I could imagine someone isn’t going to have a great time in the locker room if they act selfish and put themselves before the team. I don’t even think Chip has to know things like that, just like Belichick won’t know everything Brady, Mayo and McCourty are doing in the locker room.
true but Moss is so >>>> better than anyone, and like we all seem to agree Chip is deciding that Barbre etc. are maybe not as good as Mathis but the gap isn’t big enough that he wants the headache. Whereas the Pats had Joe Average at receive and Moss was freakin incredible.
I hear you on Talib etc. just saying Moss isn’t a good example. Moss brought a very particular set of skills, like Bryan Mills.
That’s still a lot of spec to put into Barbre, etc.
Belichick got rid of Moss as soon as he started acting up, and not being the team-first guy. Moss lasted three years on the team, and his fourth year started complaining about his contract, and got himself traded to Minnesota a month into the season. (Granted, Belichick did wait and get value for him — a 3rd round pick that turned into Ryan Mallett.) If I remember Moss immediately wished he was still on the Patriots — the Vikings cut him after another month (waste of a high pick) and he finished the year with the Titans.
Belichick will roll the dice on some troubled talent; if the “culture” wins out and they become a team player then great, otherwise they are out the door. Or get themselves convicted for murder.
I don’t agree with Ford, but his point has been popularly expressed in this forum. A lot of folks believe that cutting Mathis with no comparable compensation is pride or intolerance or “culture”. I think it makes a simple point to all players in the locker room. Just like Maclin, Mathis was valued by Kelly, but when he is assessing your value, he will be detached and resolute. Kelly could have not reacted like last season, but just like the bratty kid who continually acts up until he gets his way, Kelly was tiring of the Mathis Show. He called a Time Out.
“Just like Maclin, Mathis was valued by Kelly, but when he is assessing your value, he will be detached and resolute”
Good point. We’ll see if Chip is right or not, but it’s the right way to do business in the NFL in general. Know what a player is worth for you and stick to that evaluation.
MK hurt his arm or hand, oof, hope its minor
Has a month to get over it… I don’t think chip has already decided that this is MK last year here. But this kid really needs to stay on the field for 16 games to have a chance at an extension… I heard coaches wanted him to come back sooner then he did last year, but I think chip kelly values Kendricks much more then the narrative that he is definitely gone after this year… Chip has made some really Impressive strong,statements about Kendricks value to the Dfense and his ability that media just ignores because we tried to trade him to get value we needed to be able to trade for chips dream franchise QB… Since Mariota was officially no longer an option, there was no reason to trade or lose Mykal.. You have to lose value To trade for a franchise QB
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if this kid plays 16 games, he is going to have a monster year and I would assume they make him a nice offer give him a contract they can get out of easily in 3 years. That way. When Kiko and Hicks rookie contracts are about to expire and we have to pony up and pay them, we can get out of the Mykal contract and move his money to their bank accounts for their extensions…Meco is here in a veteran, rotation role for another year or two. He won’t have a major role on the field and I don’t believe he willl have any bearing on our decision of how to proceed with Kendricks.. Having Kiko and hicks on rookie deals, we lowered Meco’s cap figure, we can easily pay Mykal good money on a contract that we can get out of when its time to pay Kiko and Hicks.. So I personally think assuming Kemdricks is gone is absurd… But he better stay on the field for 16 games in his contract year to stand a chance at getting extended… Think Kiko and KEndricks will prove to be too special of a tandem to breakup after this year… But we’ll see…
ya, fans seems to be so invested in guessing the MK is gone after this year. I dont even care to speculate on that at this point, hes here for this season so cant wait to see the production
think it’s going to come down to who the qb is, they’ll have a lot of people looking for deals next year.
Agreed… Even if he asks for a crazy amount and we lose him, we have a good roster, I’d rather take the year of Kiko and Kendricks instead of getting a draft pick now so we don’t lose him for nothing… But I’d rather lose him for nothing, seeing him next to Kiko for even a year is worth it to me since we are talented enough to make some noise if we stay healthy and get hot at right time…
Mychal Kendricks is apparently fine after appearing to injure his left arm or hand in practice.
Mosher tweeted
Yeah i agree I think Chip is salivating at those 2 getting paired up then he is letting on to the media… I mean Kendricks and Kiko pass the eye test and mentally when I put them together in my head I see a VERY DYNAMIC DUO in the middle.
Man what TIL you hear what Adam Caplan says today about Kiko
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Said he specifically wanted to see what Kiko looked like the other day and was blown away. Looks like he had never been injured. Claims a GM said he was really surprised the Bills traded Kiko “he is a special player teams usually don’t trade. Don’t be surprised when it’s all said and done if the Eagles got the better player out of that deal. Kiko is that,special of a player” -NFL GM according to Caplan
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To have,Kiko and MK,fly around the middle of the field should be spectacular..we are talking almost,Patrik Willis/Navarrow Bowman type of tandem.. With a Monster like Bawin who can lead the NFC in Sacks and also has the ability to blanket elite TE like Jimmy Graham and erase him from. Playoff game… Strong explosive BG on the other side, with MS2 size, length, athleticms, in coverage behind him….. With Beasts like Vinny, Cox, Logan, Ced up Front… danger Danger Danger… Giamts think last yeRs front 7 shut them down? Wait Til that Giants OL sees our front 7 this year… It’s going to be glorious
Trying to figure out how athletic Barbre is. Pretty athletic, apparently.
Here’s his combine numbers.
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Allen&l=Barbre&i=7596
And Mathis’s.
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Evan&l=Mathis&i=7183
And Spiderchart-man Lane Johnson’s
http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Lane&l=Johnson&i=10251
When Smith was drafted, I think I remember that the plan was for him to back up Barwin, not Cole. While they both play OLB, they had vastly different responsibilities. I really doubt that Curry is being looked at as a back up for Barwin. Rather, I expect him to be getting looks at OLB but as Graham’s backup. So, the fact that Curry is getting looks at OLB does not necessarily have any impact on Smith, if Smith is still looked at as a backup to Barwin.
He is like that Raymond guy from a few years ago.
I love Ertz too. I want to see 800 yards, 8 tds and some nasty run blocking.
whoa, only 800 yds in 6 yrs, those sound like Kellen WInslow II numbers. Haha, I kid, I know what you meant
Lol yeah. I had to go back edit that one. These stupid phones and their auto correct.
oh I know, cant stand auto correct
Think last year drove,Ertz crazy. Everyone said he would break out going into last year and he still found that he couldn’t get on the field as much as he had hoped, especially with how everyone was hyping him up… Think that was a wake up call for him to really amp up his training to an exceptional level, and Ime spect chip will view him as someone who really earned more reps this year so we,should see a big year from the kid,… bradford is reported to throw a great pass almost every day to ERTZ
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Last year we were at times predictable in that when Celek was in the game more,times then not we were running, and when defenses saw ERTZ in the game it was probably more often a pass play. Once ERTZ grows to contribute to the run game as much as he does in the passing game, his career should really take off…
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I think the kid gave us a glimpse of his ability in that 15 reception finale vs. The skins…. he should have. Monster year with that big accurate cannon attached to Brdfords ahoulder
I would love for Vinny Curry to expand his roll into the OLB spot. I want the qb to have to check the whole field for a giant 280 lbs man ready to fly into the backfield. I would pray to god that the coaches never leave him man on man with anyone though. I can handle the risk with some zone responsibilities because it gives you the reward of some brutal qb sacks. I want car if a 5 yard completion is made because the more you can rattle a qb the better.
I try to be open minded about Marcus Smith, but it’s not a good sign for your NFL status when the coach takes over personnel and blames your 1st round selection on his office rival. He could catch the Bradley Fletcher Syndrome when Belichick picks you up thinking you were done in by Philly pressure. A good scenario is to set him up on blitzes or plays that go to his strength and let him make a key play, and let it go from there. Curry has however done more than everything he’s been asked to do here.. after being the guy who was underused after being the ‘don’t worry, Russell Wilson will be there in the 3rd Round’ pick in Reid’s draft room.
I like Curry a lot, but he’s out of the lineup on run plays for a reason, and it’s not to give him a rest. If he diid “more than everything he’s been asked to do,” Thornton would be his backup instead of vice versa, and he’d get as many snaps as Cox. I don’t think his pass rushing ability can be taken for granted, but neither player can do what the other can do. I agree with bill, don’t think Curry’s pass rushing ability will be as effective as OLB.
He’s not as good as Thornton at Run D but he’s made good run stops in actual games, without a lot of whiffs.
He is not a 2 gaping 3-4 DE. Just lacks the size/strength to be able to guard 2 gaps. When he attacks a gap he is dominant, but tends to not be gap secure in what he is doing. If our LB’s are playing very well Chip/Davis may be more willing to let Curry come in and shoot gaps for TFL’s and disruption.
I think people get overly hung up on starting positions. Curry gives production on the ‘money down’, and is a massive part of our front 7 being as effective as it was. the fact he plays 30-40% of snaps does not matter in my opinion. I would rather keep Curry and try to find a replacement for Thorton.
I agree.
I see it different…ignorant public and media was ripping the 1st round pick who wasn’t producing, and chip used that leverage as part of his argument in the power struggle that got Lurie to axe Howie… Probably told LURIE I get stuck with this OLB who can’t play, when I wanted to trade up for ODB who I thought was the best player in the draft or something….think he conveniently used that against Howie, when in reality chips actions say the opposite… It’s a vote of confidence that chip wanted to improve ILB depth so bad yet MS2 and Long who has been injured like 3’years in a row are beung trusted at depth at such a crucial position OLB.. Chip had 3’good OLBs last year, now he trusts MS2 and Long to replace BG who took Coles spot…to me that is a big,vote of confidence and tells a different story then the MS2 talk in the public last year by chip….also chip may have been motivating the kid knowing we really needed him to bulk up. His college coach may have told chip he is a kid you should really get on, because he will respond to that type of coaching…
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We have depth EVERYWHERE, yet the most crucial position OLB is backed up by MS2 and Travis Long…. Looks like a big vote of confidence to me..
Well he didn’t produce.
I don’t think that means he won’t. I hope he becomes a great player.
But the fact is he couldn’t make it on to the field last year and didn’t make a case for himself when he did. Everything else is just excuses.
Again, I wouldn’t badmouth him or say he’s “bust” or “sucks” or whatever. I want him to succeed with the Eagles but it’s delusional to say that he was a victim of circumstance.
Marcus Smith II is going to be a good player, for some other team. He won’t get out of Chip’s “he’s a Howie Roseman pick” doghouse here.
Except “he’s a Howie Roseman pick” is a suspect line of thinking because Chip is the guy who was getting jumpy about taking guys early and not trading down to be more patient. I don’t care how many times Chip wants to lie out loud about it in a press conference, Smith was his pick.
I think Smith is going to be fine here.
I was saying they should move Curry to OLB two years ago. Why the hell did it take Kelly/Davis so damn long to figure that out? That’s lost time in Curry’s development that he will never get back.
Think Curry’s best role is a sub-package pass rusher and occational 3-4 DE in base. Think he is best when working inside on guards where he is almost unblockable one v one. Think he will struggle in coverage as an OLB and will not be able to beat high quality tackles.
I think he is being used really well at the moment and is worth an extension.
I can’t think of a better situational pass rusher than him in the league….anyone?
plus i met him Northern Liberties and he’s from my dad’s hometown so i root for the guy.
VINNY is the man.. Real good dude
you should have told them.
Eh – the pass-rushing skills used by down-lineman are different from those used by 3-4 OLBs. Not completely distinct, of course, but it is a mistake to think that just because, for example, one can utilize a quick first step to generate pass-rush as a down-lineman, that one can similarly bend and turn well enough to generate a pass rush as an OLB.
Curry can provide some pass rush at OLB in this defense, but deception will play a big part of that. His dominant skill, quick first step, will not be as effective off the line as it is on the line.
what else are you saying?
Start Tim Tebow
Wow. So the coaches of a professional sports team are supposed to augment every suggestion from every ‘fan’ on every site now.
No, but it is concerning that it took them so long to identify the obvious. And it wasn’t just me. Many people have been assuming that the Eagles would eventually just cut Curry loose because he doesn’t fit their 3-4 DE prototype.
I like being matched up on the road against the Falcons to start the team. It’s a nice Test. It’s not a team like the Jags that human nature is forced to underestimate.. The defense knows they gotta show up against Atlanta. I like the matchup because our front 7 will shut down that run game completely, so it’s going to Force Matty Ice to air it out and we will get to test out Byron Maxwell and our new secondary aggainst a team that going to try and rIde Julio Jones to beat us threw the air when we make it clear that trying to run against us is pointless….. Nice to test out the secondary against a Good QB/WR tandem right off the bat…
ATL is terrible in the trenches, we should dominate. I’m hoping we don’t see a flashback of last year’s DBs, but i think the addition of thrumond and maxwell will clear that up.
Thinking This city and Maxwell will be love at first site. After all the soft a gutless pretenders who didn’t deserve to play in a city with such a rich secondary tradition, right off the bat we are going to fall in love with this big, strong, competitive battle tested, big game corner….thinking it’s not going to take us long to realize he ain’t Nnamdi, and he ain’t DRC…..kid is a bigger, more Talemted Sheldon. I’m sure Captain Jenkins feels much better then he did last year now that he looks atound and sees Maxwell, boykin, Thurmond..
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I think Nolan Carroll will do a solid job for us on the outside. I really believe he can hold it down for us, but when we can add a developed Rowe to this secondary, THATS when it should really take off
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Even consider letting a boykin leave without a fight after the season, Move Thurmond in Boykims spot, Mpve Nolan back in the Dime role, Mpve Rowe in the outside Cb spot Nolan is babysitting for him, and instead of offering big money to Boykin, take that Money and try to pry George Illoka away from the Bengas or Gipson away from the Browns. both are playing out their contract years without getting an extension..Insert Rowe and one of those two safeties in the starting lineup and we should have the ingredients for a truley elite secondary…
be nice to be able to rotate players
if Thurmond figures out how to play safety somewhat well, why oh why would you switch him to slot corner the next offseason. No way. Plus isn’t he a FA? He is going to go be a safety for us or some other team.
it will be a tough game for sure. doesn’t matter what the record was lat year they have talent, and it will be a good test yes. w e better be 1-0
I will be representing for Eagles Nation at that game!!. I cant wait for this game, I really think the Eagles should win handily and this will be a great 1st test to see what we have in B-Max.
I expect a blowout. I really do. And 300 yards rushing.
I really like where your heads at with that prediction. I’m thinking about 38-14 with the Eagles run/pass ratio at 65-35 with about 300 yards rushing like you said. Gotta get Sammy boy in some game action and let him just be a game manager in this game. Also bold prediction Mark Sanchez plays the entire 4th quarter.
The photo on the front page, where you’re begging for donations, is grotesque. Until you post an identical photo of a male, twisted and helpless and not wearing the same amount of clothing, there will be no donations from this household. In other words, when you show the same total pathetic lack of respect for the other half of the human race.
what photo? really, don’t see one anywhere that sounds like your description
mags is seeing a random ad above the donate button. I say random but it is selected based on cookies your browser has picked up over time (aka it tailors the ad to what you’ve been looking at). Some other poor sucker here fell for the same thing.
I can assure you that no sites like that should be in my cookies. The only thing i can think of is that sometimes there are some gag-worthy pics come up while browsing Google images quite innocently.
screen captures!
I just want to assure you, Tommy has nothing to do with which ads pop up on the side bars.
Well it was with the donate here bit.
well at least you apologized to Tommy….
Perhaps they use different pics in different geographical areas. Anyway, it was revolting.
mine’s some stupid dude looking all stupid
There is an advertisement above the donations button that is based on your web activity (mine shows a laptop I was just looking up for example). You may need to have a talk with the men in your household…
No one else uses my laptop, but as I answered Ark87, sometimes Google images includes some gross pics.
I am not sure if the cookies are restricted to your laptop or your IP (which would be the entire household/anyone on wifi). I am not sure how Google tracks web activity to be honest. But from experience I have seen camera stores and laptop dealers I was looking at show up on those ads regardless of the device I was using… But then again I could have visited those websites from all of my devices.
Yes. Years ago, while searching for some info, I made a typo which brought up some sites quite different from the ones I was looking for!
I know how that happens! I use a writing program called LaTeX and was trying to find a font based on Star Trek symbols for one of my student’s projects… Not what showed up on that Google search.
In the future, you might consider using the Incognito function.
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If you’re logged into your google account, it’s smart enough to keep tracking you.
Ah, so they aren’t IP based, that is somewhat reassuring. I know Facebook does the same thing
To my knowledge it’s not IP based. I’m not an expert in these things though. I mean, I manage people who are experts in this but that mostly means I take credit when they do well and abdicate all responsibility to them when results are not so good.
Basically, I’m 90% sure it ain’t IP based but please don’t blame me if I’m wrong. And please don’t tell my staff how little I actually know about what they do, because that’s just opening a whole big can o worms 😉
Here ends today’s edition of “please don’t sue if I’m wrong!”.
Can I hold the people you manage responsible if you are wrong?
Oh definitely. I blame those guys for everything wrong ever. Well, them or caseymatthews.
On mine, there’s no add whatsoever. Pretty sure you are directing your anger at the wrong person. Tommy most certainly didn’t place anything there that’s offensive.
Above the donate button I’ve got a Williams Sonoma pie-plate ad. I’ve never ordered from them, and I don’t bake pies. Random internet sales static, as far as I can see.
Like EagleNebula just said below that picture is based on your recent google searches and recent websites visited. Another guy had that problem here and felt very dumb when he realized that he had a picture of some nonsense that his wife was looking up. Stop looking at “grotesque” things like you referred to them or tell your household to do the same.
I’ve already answered.
The picture is determined by the google ad server which reads your cache and puts it up based on your history.
Yes, that much is apparent when I see the type of weird ads I get.
Not really though. They can’t read your cache. They can identify you and use the information they store on their end.
I’ve done some banner advertising. The simplest will read cookies from sites you’ve visited that they service. Google ads is more complex. You’re right though “cache” isn’t the right term.
also Adblocker
That’s true. Perhaps I need to reconfigure my Anti-virus program.
It’s not an Anti-virus thing. You’re not seeing anything you shouldn’t, just Google ads.
My anti-virus is all inclusive, it has shields built in against a number of intrusions. It’s actually an Internet security program. I’ve changed some settings.
Use AdBlocker. It’s free (but donations are encouraged) and it works wonders. It makes watching videos online better because it cuts out the ads (Daily Show has too many ads). Same with websites. Works on all browsers.
I avoided AdBlocker for years (because I sometimes do ad-related work) but wound up installing it to block the horrible shit that comes up on Facebook.
Well worth it, and I also encourage people to donate. Good software.
Hopefully they don’t request donations using grotesque and scantily clad women, or they are in for a world of hurt.
Try clearing your cookies. If that doesn’t work then I would get adblock like everyone else suggested. You can set what websites that you don’t want ads for with it. It doesn’t work all the time though since some sites are aggressively designing against adblock.
AdBlock Plus for Chrome is a godsend
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=retargeting+ads
I get buildings and contents insurance. I’m that rock n roll.
If your history is blank or you’ve not been anywhere that would serve a retargeted ad things can get……..interesting, for in that case I believe highest bidder wins out.
Either way, blame Google. Or hit the little cross in the corner of the ad to stop seeing it.
Mine’s for HomeAway… might want to check your google history 😉
Ads are based on your browsing history. Perhaps you need to look into the websites your husband/children is/are frequenting?
My goodness. I never receive this many replies when discussing football! ;~)
You came out of the gate pretty aggressive…
Same thing happened here once before with a guy saying his ads were something of mens underwear crotch shot picture and he complained to. Needless to say afterwards he felt the same way as you as he was barraged with replies lol.
That guy apologized.
I know he did I was just referring to how they both came out speaking so adamantly about these ads then both caught the wave of replies by people.
My point was Maggie hasn’t.
Oh ok gotcha buddy. Yea Mags should definitely shoot Tommy and apology.
I would apologize, but there have been numerous references on this board at times, to the use of a married woman’s body and other casual references to female body parts. I made the natural assumption that the ad choice was deliberate based on those previous comments. I will apologize for being hasty, but now all those who have made that type of comments about my gender in the past should do the same.
that’s a terrible apology and conditioning an apology to Tommy on the actions of other parties is also odd. But whatever, I’m moving on now.
Random, but I think its cool that there is a woman on this MB. My friends GF knows so much about sports I’m sort of jealous mine doesn’t.
I will admit though that I never put 2 and 2 together and realized you were a woman.
In defense of the comments you are referencing to, no disrespect, but you are on a website that is visited and commented on by probably around between 95% and 99% men. You just sort to have to expect it.
I think some of it is over the top and unnecessary. There is no need to call people or players certain words, for example, like the “c” word. When that happens it is usually the same person (plural? To be polite maybe persons but often one particular person) others often say to settle down. But not always. But we all can only post so often and fighting every Internet battle esp with someone you know isn’t going to change is not worth it. That doesn’t mean we condone it. So I hear where she is coming from. My point was unrelated.
Yeah, I remember that. Classic.
Also, we’re all interested in seeing what this offensive photo is so we can share in your outrage!
I second this request. I have been Googling “twisted and helpless half-naked women” for the last hour, but the search results are overwhelming.
Also, I am not sure Google understands the term half…
Lol on half. I remember Googling for information one time about laughter, along with images, and there were a couple of drawings of women being tortured that showed up among pics of children laughing. Can’t even begin to imagine how they turned up in that context.
I logged off and had a little discussion with Google browser and my anti-virus programs. The photo somehow has disappeared!
was there a discussion of football somewhere or just ads?
the picture above the headline is actually disgusting, 3 former eagles ugh..
lets get demarco, Jmatt, and Bradford up there
If Chip had any input it would probably be Cox, Celek and Sproles. Either works for me, but the latter group has missed way fewer games than the former.
Barwin too
the whole roster
they’re all now his guys–
Equal in the Eyes of the Law
How could you forget Mufasa?
There would be no one, because they would all be to focused and busy to pose for a picture.
Make a new one for him.
That’s a good point. I have created this alternative banner that more accurately represents the current personality of the team:
http://i.imgur.com/H8Qc4U6.png
that’s actually what it should be.
keepin it real
lol
This is fantastic.
Lovin’ it.
If that banner is the kiss of death lets get Cooper up there pronto!
Wouldn’t it be funny if he had like 900 yards receiving and 9 TDs this season? It seems like that would happen, just so the fanbase is collectively mad and happy at the same time.
As much as I can’t stand him and want him gone I would rather have him do good like he did in 2013 and force me to want him. Would be best for the team after all. Sometimes we want to be able to just hate a player and we don’t want him to do good even if it’s a HUGE boost to the team.
Just imagine if he were to put up 2013 numbers. Our WR corps could be really deadly as long as Huff and Mathews progress, Austin is reliable, and Agholor plays as good as many of us think he will.
It’s possible Bradford could save his career. Or maybe thats just too much to ask for.
we could all hope he is just good enough that at the end of the year we think will he be on the team the following year, pause for a second, and say well I had to think about it, but no he won’t. I think the chances of him playing so well as to actually be on the team in 2016 at his current contract are likely really, really low. I hope he does well but I think “well” is just pretty good. Not 2013 good.
In all honesty though 2013 good wasn’t really all that amazing. You put those numbers up against other starting WR’s in the league and you can call it solid. It’s not like he put up amazing numbers or even close to 1000 yards. Let’s not forget that was just 2 seasons ago and it might not be all that ridiculous to think he could possibly do it again with a better QB.
In no way am I thinking it will happen, but it’s not something I would just sit here and say won’t happen. Agholor will primarily be on the outside, it’s not a stretch to say Mathews will primarily remain inside. Who will be opposite of Agholor? Huff, Austin, or Cooper? Out of the 3 I would say Cooper. So the opportunity could very well be there to do what he did 2 seasons ago. The question is can he capitalize on it? I’ll never count someone out that already has done it in a not so long ago past.
Well I remember that season for him as mythical. Maybe it was a couple plays.
I mean mythical for Cooper.
Do you think that Bradford is going to get to 100% healthy before the season ends? I have a hard time seeing him get dangled for trade or cut if he is “decent” while still regaining his form.
Sorry, were you referring to Cooper?
yes I was.
get that jmatt shit out of here. JP >>>>>>>>>>>>> jmatt
Nice to hear Thurmond is really progressing at S and is taking the lead. I’ve been high on Thurmond but admittedly never thought about him at S. Genius move by Chip and Davis.
I’ve also been high on Carroll since we acquired him. If Thurmond stays healthy I think this secondary has the potential to be good with assistance from our pass rush and front 7.
Jenkins needs to improve his hands. I think if he were capable of that he would have done it by now at this point of his career though. He had the opportunity to turn a loss or 2 into a possible win.
“For me, this is what I love doing, and this is what I feel like my purpose was to do,” Beckham said, via Dan Graziano of ESPN.com. “So it takes a lot of strength for me to be able to come here every day and not practice, have to hear the little remarks, the little jokes, this and that.
“And it’s not just about a hamstring. It’s so many other things that people talk about. So it’s hard to come here and try and focus on ‘What play is up right now?’ instead of thinking about how bad you want to be out there.”
Who is beckham?
I’m assuming this is Odell Beckham Jr. from last spring/summer (when he was sidelined with a hamstring injury). Not sure of the reason this was posted, however.
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