The Kelliest of Kelly Teams

Posted: June 1st, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 246 Comments »

This is Chip Kelly’s third year in the NFL. He’s been working on the roster since he was hired, and still has more work to do. Every year he’s out there trying to find his kind of guys. Talent isn’t enough. Being a good guy isn’t enough. He’s looking for the right kind of player. Kelly wants talent, character, brains, competitive spirit, drive, determination, toughness and discipline from his players.

I think the 2015 Eagles are the most talented roster that Kelly has had to work with, but it is also the most Kelly-like roster of his tenure.

In my recent column, I wrote this.

This team feels like Chip Kelly’s kind of players based on what they say and how they act off the field.DeMarco Murray got insulted by a former teammate and responded by wishing the guy well. Sam Bradford was recently asked whether he is comfortable playing on a one-year deal. He responded that he doesn’t worry about things he can’t control. Agholor talked about wanting to work like a peasant. These are not your standard NFL player answers.

Think about Murray responding to Joseph Randle the way he did compared to Shady going on Twitter and asking people to harass the mother of his child. Or even his public feuds with Osi Umenyiora.

Think about Bradford’s comments vs Michael Vick complaining that he shouldn’t have to compete for the QB job back in the spring of 2013. Think about some of the comments Matt Barkley has had, where you can sense his utter frustration at the fact he’s not the Eagles starting QB.

Think about Agholor’s comments vs DeSean Jackson complaining about the fact he wasn’t at the top of the depth chart back in the spring of 2013. Or Riley Cooper’s incident.

Kelly is slowly but surely loading up the roster with his guys.

While this sounds great, as I talked about in the piece, the key is for the players to go out and play well.

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Peter King believes in the Eagles enough to have them ranked 7th in his power rankings.

They are the top NFC East team. Dallas is down at 13th.

7. Philadelphia (10-6). Mike Trout says: In Chip We Trust. For the Eagles to be seventh in the NFL, he’s going to have to say: In Sam Bradford We Trust.

13. Dallas (12-4). I keep reading how many great pieces the Cowboys have added to their defense. I don’t see it. But they’re going to win a bunch of 33-27 games, so there’s hope.

That’s cool.

But King has Baltimore #1 and Minnesota #6. That’s…odd.

As to our other beloved NFC East teams…

22. New York Giants (6-10). Tell me Eli Manning stays protected, and tell me the second act of Steve Spagnuolo can come close to matching the first, and I’ll have more faith in the Giants to be a playoff team.

25. Washington (4-12). I’d love to muster up enthusiasm for Jay Gruden, a good man and a good coach. But I can’t get his RGIII negativity out of my head from last season. Only Robert Griffin III can do that—for both of us.

This is all based on paper and expectations. As I covered in my piece, perception can be very different from reality. Teams go up and down every year when good players decline or unknown guys shine. You just don’t know what you’ve really got until you hit the field and see them play.


246 Comments on “The Kelliest of Kelly Teams”

  1. 1 Dan in Philly said at 8:58 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    I remember reading a lot when Kelly got here (mostly from G Cowell) that Chip needed receivers who could beat press coverage, and he didn’t have them. I’d say he nailed that one given all the draft resources the Eagles have sunk into that position, and the overall turnover there.
    What other assumptions were there then and how have they panned out?

  2. 2 Jernst said at 1:29 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    It’s interesting that in year one, the tempo and packaged plays caught so many defenses by surprise that they almost exclusively played press man coverage. Chip saw this and was determined to find WRs that could beat that look. Out with Jackson who could be taken away by good press corners and out with Avant who didn’t have the speed to beat man coverage and in with Maclin and Cooper and Matthews in the slot. Last year though, teams started playing almost exclusively zone against us and our tentative QB Foles wasn’t good at hitting the open zones with accurate passes. He’s out and a much more accurate QB in Bradford is in. It’ll be interesting to see how defenses play the new set of offensive skill players that we have now. We have WRs that can beat press man and have the skills to get open against zone with a quick thinking QB that can identify the open zone and hit the WRs with quick accurate passes. Add in a punishing ground game that leaves us with more third and shorts and I’m excited to watch the cat and mouse game continue to unfold.

  3. 3 CrackSammich said at 9:08 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Baltimore at #1? Oh. hmm. Preseason…. why not?

    *reads on*

    KC at #4? what the hell are you on, Peter King?

  4. 4 Bert's Bells said at 10:34 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    If #4 means getting to the AFCCG and losing, I think Reid can pull that off.

  5. 5 370HSSV 0773H said at 11:01 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    And he has Indy at 11.

  6. 6 RobNE said at 9:42 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    I was coming here just to bust on Peter King’s picks and Tommy beat me to it. Well done. *golf clap*

    Baltimore?!? The thing is King almost always is a frontrunner. You would think he would say Pats # 1, and Seahawks # 2. Lesson: I like to mock whatever Peter King does.

  7. 7 BlindChow said at 9:53 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    He responded that he doesn’t worry about things he can’t control. … These are not your standard NFL player answers.

    What? The only way that answer could have been more Standard NFL Player Answer is if he had said “it is what it is.”

  8. 8 BlindChow said at 9:58 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Just did a search for “I don’t worry about things I can’t control” & NFL, and it might be easier to list the players who HAVEN’T said it.

    I mean, is this guy a Kelly player:

    “I don’t worry about things I can’t control,” Jason Babin said in a conference call with Nashville reporters on Wednesday.

  9. 9 RobNE said at 10:06 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Let’s sign this Babin guy!! Seems like a real selfless player.

  10. 10 daveH said at 2:29 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    tough to read even knowing its all sarcasm

  11. 11 Mac said at 10:38 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Weight room workout mix #4… wait a sec. this isn’t a mix… this is just “Don’t Worry be Happy” by Bob Marley. (Chip smiling in the corner)

  12. 12 usmcnole said at 1:36 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Dude…Bob Marley didn’t sing that song. Smh

  13. 13 Mac said at 2:21 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Oh yeah, bobby mcfarin? oops!

  14. 14 daveH said at 2:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    quality mistake that I really enjoyed -ill quote you and try to give you credit

  15. 15 Mac said at 2:31 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Thanks… (facepalm)

  16. 16 daveH said at 2:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    im laffing however!! I love it!!
    have you seen the t-shirt w Jimi Hendrix image and says Bob Marley underneath!!
    this is every bit as wonderful

  17. 17 SteveH said at 3:37 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I’m in the best shape of my life.

    I’ve never felt healthier at this point in the season/offseason.

    My teammates put me in a great position to succeed.

    All part of the NFL answertron3000.

  18. 18 370HSSV 0773H said at 11:03 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    At the end of the day…

  19. 19 anon said at 10:00 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    “Agholor’s comments vs DeSean Jackson complaining about the fact he wasn’t at the top of the depth chart back in the spring of 2013” – pro bowler vs rookie.

  20. 20 Javi Echie said at 10:04 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    self entitled jackass that didn’t want to work hard in jackson vs. smart humble rookie who voluntarily works hard to strive to be great in agholor

  21. 21 anon said at 10:12 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    you think a 5’9 150 wr became a perennial 1000 yd receiver without working hard? ok

  22. 22 Javi Echie said at 10:17 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    guess you never heard of natural talent. just because he hit 1000 yards doesn’t mean he was a hard worker

  23. 23 Mac said at 10:36 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Actually, he was a hard working player until his dad died. He has the type of personality that needs someone to help him keep it together and under control. I thought Andy might be able to fill in the gap (which he did to an extent), but in the end it wasn’t enough.

  24. 24 Ark87 said at 11:05 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Work ethic wasn’t his issue. He was talented and worked hard. He practiced hard, dominated practices every year. Came to camp in shape and ready to run. Chip demanded he not take any plays off and attempt to block with his tiny frame, and he did. His issue is his motivation is honed in on himself. He wanted to personally be the best, earn respect for himself, etc. It’s not uncommon and it really worked for him. Not a personality fans love and that shades their memories of him. He just didn’t fit here with what Chip is building.

  25. 25 GEAGLE said at 11:17 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    “it’s not just about what you can do for us, it’s also about what you are willing to Sacrafice for us”-Chip Kelly
    Even tho they only won 4’games, Desean thought they had a good season last year because he put up his numbers and he was able to stick it to Philly and get a win…. That’s like the most selfish shit I have ever heard of in my life. Their season was a 4 win train wreck and in his mind it was good year, Afterall, he beat the Eagles in a meaningless game and “Got His”… This idiot boasts about last years 4’win season LOL
    this is a a player who admitted to disrespecting his coaches, disrespecting his teammates and disrespect the game, not giving his all because he wasn’t happy with his contract…if you can get more money from someone else, then hold out.. But if you take the field, you give your all, you owe that to your team mates in the ultimate game of owe that to the guys playing thru injuries, the coaches working 19 hour days to get you prepared and give you a chance to succeed on Sunday..I would so much rather a player hold out, then to not give his all
    Desean was an amazing Talent, a ton of fun to watch… But I’m thrilled to know that we won’t be having to root for players like him under chip.. I look forward to rooting for Talemted players like Fletcher Cox. Jordan Mathews who team mates rave about

  26. 26 anon said at 12:03 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    or they could have paid him. desean had a really good year last year — proved his was a no. 1 when people said he wasn’t he carried that team’s terrible offense, what else do you expect when you’re on a terrible team. it’s not like he pulled a kobe and alienate his crappy teammates / coaches or a carmello and just sit the year out. he shut up, put in work and performed.

  27. 27 GEAGLE said at 12:38 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    No excuse!!! Don’t like your money? Then HOLD OUT… If you take the field, you give your all. You don’t disrespect the 40 men who are out there putting it all on the line, playing thru pain. Deseans teammates weren’t under paying, his WR coach didn’t owe him money… If you decide that you aren’t going to hold out, then you play for your teammates…NO EXCUSE in the ultimate team game of inches to have players battling in the trenches while this little shit ISNT giving his all
    Just the fact that idiot openly admitted to not giving his all to make an excuse for his down year in stats tells you the idiot doesn’t get it. If it’s true that you tanked the season to not risk injury, you would be smart to not make that info public..
    This doesn’t take the GM off the Hook. You should probably pay the guy or cut the guy to avoid that scenario so while Eagles management can also be blamed, it doesn’t excuse Desean for not playing his ass off for his team mates,… Rather you fake an injury, get paid to sit out all year, then disrespect your teammates like that..

  28. 28 Jernst said at 1:23 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agreed! DeSean is an awesome talent. No doubt we miss his ability to blow the top off of any and all defenses. That’s just irreplaceable. But, he was an awesome role player not a true number 1. If he made $5mil per year and returned punts and did all the things he did as a role player, he’d be an awesome talent to have. But, as a $9mil a year, outspoken star, that views himself as the best player on the team, who constantly causes headaches about his contract, and gets in yelling matches with coaches, he just wasn’t worth all that. Take into account that he was a liability in the redzone and was limited by his size to what he could do on the field and you just couldn’t justify paying him that much.

  29. 29 anon said at 3:20 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    think skins are very happy about the $7m guaranteed their paying him, he looked like a no 1 in washington unseating the guy that had 113 catches the year before.

  30. 30 Jernst said at 6:53 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yea, I’m sure the skins are very happy. We’ll see if having him as a focal point of their offense works out in the W/L column for them over the next few years. I think Chips going to win a lot more games with Matthews, Agholar and Huff than Washington is with Jackson. He’s a great player, but not something that you’re going to win tough games with down the stretch, and not someone that creates the type of winners culture that most top teams embody.

  31. 31 Stephen E. said at 12:11 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    No, he just proved that Garcon is a fraud, and only plays well if you account for him being a 6th round pick.

  32. 32 Jernst said at 1:20 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He did block hard for Chip and he did start going across the middle again and seemed to play hard, but being at those games live, even in 2013, he routinely jogged out routes when the ball was not coming to him.

  33. 33 Jernst said at 1:17 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Except for the fact that he did just that. He routinely missed voluntary workouts, he rarely was seen ever putting in any extra work, if you watched the games live you could see him jogging out routes he knew weren’t coming to him ALL THE TIME, he refused to learn the other positions when Chip originally asked him to until Chip threatened to bury him on the depth chart if he didn’t, he admitted to making business decisions on the field, he quit on his team over displeasure with his contract negotiations, after 2010 he simply stopped trying to return punts and told the coaches he didn’t want to do it, he went from averaging 13.4 yards per return from 2009-2010, to 2.2 yards per return from 2011-2014, he routinely seemed more concerned with his own personal stats rather than the team winning or losing, and yet he still routinely put up decent numbers.

    In the years prior to Chip, he averaged 54.8 catches per season, 957 yards, and 4.6 TDs. He broke 1000 yards twice in 5 years. And, he constantly complained that $9mil per year wasn’t enough compensation. He was hardly a perennial 1000+ yard performer and with his skill set he could have definitely been just that had the effort matched the talent.

    From 2001-2009 Hines Ward by comparison averaged 1,043 yards, 86 rec, 7.4 TDs, and he broke 1,000 yards 6 of those 9 years and came in with 975 yards twice. And, he had little of the natural talent that DeSean possesses. That’s a guy that worked for his skill.

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 10:19 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Worst type of self entitled.. HOWIE gave a mega extension to a player who admitted tanking a season, not playing his hardest because he wasn’t happy with his contract… I don’t care to get into whether it was smart or not at the time on Howies part, just using it to Illusrate the major shift in philospophy now that Chip is in charge… I don’t care if you are the Lebron James of Football, Chip will NEVER reward a player who blatantly didn’t play his hardest like Desean did… HOWIE gave in, put a temporary band aid on the problem and we got a couple decent years out of it…Chip would have completely lost all respect for Desean as a player. chip will NEVER reward that type of behavior (right or wrong)

  35. 35 Javi Echie said at 10:25 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Exactly the point I’m trying to make to this kid, clearly he doesn’t remember the specifics of DeSeans career only looking at espns stats

  36. 36 GEAGLE said at 11:41 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Love the talent/ability… Hate the player/Charecter
    I look forward to a coach removing the “jackass” variable from the equation. Its ABSURD that people run with this bullshit false narrative that chip wants Culture over Talent. There is no substitute for talent. For Chip, all he is trying to say is that Talent isn’t ENOUGH. He is Looking for the talent that comes with character, work ethic, high Football IQ, true passion for the game, and a passion to win..
    Chip ISNT looking for less talented boyscouts.. He won’t be drafting “Rudy” any time soon… All he is doing is that out of talented players we can possibly add, chip is going to choose the ones that also come with Character, work ethic and high football IQ… In some cases this may lead to him being more “picky” then most who are willing to overlook a lot if a guy is talented enough….,Talent and Ability alone isn’t enough for chip.. sure we will have to watch our team pass on adding some really talented players when they become available like Brandon Marshall, but AT least we will be able to count on one thing.. We can count on, if our players fail, it won’t be because they lacked discaplin or intelligence for example blowing a TD because you threw the ball away in celebration before you crossed the TD plane….We can count on Eagles not failing because the Admittingly didnt put in the work and tried to rely on talent like Randall Cunningham and VICK in his atlanta career. We won’t fail because we really don’t love the game like Danny Watkins… We won’t fail because guys are a mess off the,field and can’t keep from geting suspended like a josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon.. And we won’t fail because players care more about their individual stats, then team success…. It’s hard to win in this league, hard to argue against a coach trying to remove those pitfalls from the equation….as fans if we have to lose a fun flashly player like Desean every once n a while so be it… That’s a small price to pay for tryng to remove those variables from the equation,,,it’s not like we are replacing Talemted players with,choirboys who can’t play… As great of a kid as Jordan is or Agholor is, we drafted them for the talent they bring to the field…

  37. 37 Jernst said at 1:02 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agreed! By removing that variable the only thing that we’re gonna see is more successful draft picks and less outright busts. Going for talent at the expense of passion for the game of football, didn’t leave us with a bunch of Dez Bryants that succeed regardless. We ended up with a bunch of Pinkstons, Simons, Cavers, Mitchells, Watkins, Laws, Kearses, DRCs, Litos and Jacksons. Some of those players played really well for short periods of time, some flamed out almost immediately, but none of them played at a high level consistently or for the long term and none of them won us anything.

    The new approach is definitely a move in the right direction.

  38. 38 Bert's Bells said at 10:46 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Reid was making personnel decisions at that time. It was his decision to extend Jackson.

  39. 39 Jernst said at 12:55 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    People discount the year he took off way too much because after he was rewarded he came back and played seemingly hard. But, he was already starting to grumble that after his prolific year with Kelly, that he deserved even more money and a reworking of his contract to get more guaranteed money. If we didn’t give in and give it to him, would he have quit on his team and started making business decisions again? Who would want to deal with that primadonna behavior every other year?

  40. 40 Ray888 said at 11:30 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agreed – being humble, smart or a jackass has nothing to do w your status [rookie vs. pro bowler].But rather your inherent characteristics as a person. A jackass is a jackass no matter what his station in life.

  41. 41 anon said at 11:51 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    all rookies go through a period of earning their spot, kelly goes by a different method, but it’s not like i can’t see where a pro bowl wr. would be upset running w the 3s w/ a new coach, but i also think kelly did it to show him no one was above the program, also important.

  42. 42 Jernst said at 12:52 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Gotta look at what caused him to run with the 3’s initially. It’s not like Kelly did that for shits and giggles. Jackson refused to learn the other positions and was slacking off, hence he got benched…sort of. So take a step back from his comments about being benched and whether or not it was reasonable for him to be upset that he was demoted and look at his actions that got him there. If he wasn’t being an entitled jackass from the start he wouldn’t have ever been demoted in the Spring.

    Plus not all rookies show up with a great attitude. Freddie Mitchell certainly showed up entitled. I remember Quinton Caver telling reporters in the Spring of his second year, that after receiving a $1.05 mil signing bonus as a rookie, he never bothered to buy an alarm clock. He came right out and said he struggled as a rookie because “I never got [an alarm clock last year]. It’s hard to succeed when you’re waking up every 5 minutes worrying that you’re gonna oversleep.”

    Can you imagine that flying for anyone, let alone a high second round pick under Kelly. Would that guy be pencilled in as a starter in year 2 with Kelly? I say no way. And, we are a better team because of it.

  43. 43 Jernst said at 12:46 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    A lot of our rookies don’t sound like rookies. They sound like seasoned vets that get the amount of work needed to succeed. Jackson has been prolific his entire life based solely on his insane speed and natural talent. If he showed up with Agholar’s or Matthews’ heart and dedication he’d be even better. His lack of effort and propensity to disappear when needed most always showed up one way or another throughout the season regardless of what his final stats were or how good the overall numbers looked.

  44. 44 GEAGLE said at 10:12 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Think this is Easily the most talented Team chip has had so far in his short NFLcareer. that should be obvious when we see how hard it will be to make this years roster. expecting a lot of Talent falling short of making our roster, with us holding our breathe hoping to be able to sneak guys onto the practce squad..
    Not only did we upgrade our starting talent, but we are obviously a deeper roster then we have been these past two years.. When it’s easy to predict the 53 man roster, usually that means you lack depth… That is certainly not going to be a problem This year… We still lack depth at a position or two, but for the most part we are significantly deeper then we have been in a long time..Of course games aren’t played “on paper’, and injuries will play a part in how the season unfolds, but it’s exciting to me from a roster building perspective that in Chips first year as decision maker, he was able to put together what is easily the most Talented/Deepest Roster we have had in some time… we saw an aggressive GM, who proved that he isn’t going to settle for “Good” and he isn’t afraid to make some really bold roster moves… You can never win anything that matters playing scared. We can be good enough to compete and be entertaining, but we probably won’t ever win a Super Bowl til we put it on the line and push our chips to the center of the table.. I’m not sure if guys like Howie and Banner had that in them…. if the Chip era ends without a Super Bowl, it won’t be because he was too scared to really take a run at it…. I trust that chip is such a good coach, our players are trained the right way, that even if me make some risky gambles and lose, we will still land on our feet and flirt with a division crown… for Example, trading for Bradford is a major big balls roll the dice move. But if we crap out and Bradfiord isn’t ever able to play for us, chip has taken precautionary measures, and I trust that with our training, and chips play calling, we can still compete for the division with the Sanchize..
    Say what we will about Sanchez, but I have to imagine he is capable of more now that he has a year under his belt in this offense gaining some very valuable game experience last year… And if his “improved arm strength” turns out to be true, great, even better…. not only did,we see,Sanchez coming off an injury, 4 months after learning this offense. But we didn’t get to see Sanchez with our quality starting OL. We didn’t get to see Sanchez with our exceptional run game. We,didn’t get to see much of Sanchez in a healthy fully,functioning Offense. Chip kelly LOVES to run the Football. when you see Chip Kelly ask Sanchez to throw more then 50 passes in a game, that’s probably a good clue telling us that we are,watching a dysfunctional version of the true “chip Kelly offense”…..’Chip doesn’t want Mariota throwing 50 times in college, you can bet that if Chip is asking Sanchez to throw 50 times, we have no other choice..

    chip rolled the,dice on a serious QB Talent that comes with about as much risk as you will see. if He can keep SAM on the field and out his talents to good use it can go down as an epic trade in franchise history.. But I’m appreciative that he takes such aggressive risks, while making sure we are still protected with Sanchez who’s best I doubt we have seen.. And if his improved arm strength happens to be true, that’s a bonus….. Really appreciative to have such an aggressive GM, who ISNT going to settle for “good”, while being smart enough to make sure we are operating with a solid “Safety Net”… sanchez should be better in chips offense then a handful of starting QBs on other teams, he is as good of a “safety net” as we can ever hope for…. Aggressive GM, Deep roster of well trained players who get more reps than everyone else..
    Looks like we are in good hands,. The one thing I’m still curious to see is how this aggressive style of GM impacts our salary cap over the next 3 years.. while Howie and Banner Rarely went ALL IN, if EVER, at least we,could count on Mever having to worry about salary cap implications because those two would NEVER let us screw up our cap…Nice to see an aggressive GM go all in, but it remains to be seen if chip can maintain a proper balance of being aggressive and having a healthy salary cap to where you don’t end up having to lose really good players because you don’t have the money to retain them…

  45. 45 Jernst said at 12:44 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agreed. QB (Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley/Tebow > Vick, Foles, Barkley for sure), RB (Murray, Matthews, Sproles > McCoy, Polk, Sproles), WR (although Maclin, Jackson, Avant, Cooper is probably > Matthews, Huff, Agholar, Cooper; Maclin never got to play with Jackson that year and I’d say the current promise and skill of our new young guns could easily present more matchup problems than ever before), Oline is a downgrade without Herremans in his prime, Peters a bit older, and Mathis older and not showing up, but Johnson is poised to break out, and Peters is still Peters, and Kelce is one of the best young centers in the game so the line is not in total disarray). TEs are mostly unchanged.

    On Defense the line is still a major strength, LB is much improved (Graham, Barwin, Alonso, Kendricks, Ryans > Cole, Kendricks, Ryans, Barwin and Graham although OLB depth depends on MS2 making a jump his second year), And DBs are much better (I’ll take Maxwell, Rowe, Carroll, Watkins, Thurmond, Boykin, Jenkins over Williams, Fletcher, Boykin, Carroll, Allen all day).

  46. 46 anon said at 12:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    QB (Bradford, Sanchez, Barkley/Tebow > Vick, Foles, Barkley for sure).

    it’s been an ugly 5 years

  47. 47 Jernst said at 1:31 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    No doubt….minus the one magical 2010 we got out of Vick, it’s been bad/injured Vick, Kolb, Foles, Barkley, Sanchez running our offense. Hopefully we’ll be better. I’m not blindly expecting Bradford to suddenly be the second coming of Marino, but, I think he gives us our best talent and chance of success in a long time.

  48. 48 anon said at 2:23 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    def most talented. but plenty of talented guys don’t make it.

  49. 49 Jernst said at 2:52 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Vick is a great example of just that.

  50. 50 anon said at 3:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    you don’t think vick made it? granted if things were different he could have had a different career, maybe he was just before his time.

  51. 51 Jernst said at 6:51 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Nah, you’re right…Vick made it. But, he’s graded on the curve of his insane athletic ability for me personally. He ran a 4.2 forty, had unbelievably, unseen before body control, could fling a football 70 yards with a perfect tight spiral with the flick of his wrist, he could pressure a defense in every way imaginable and despite his inconsistency proved a ton of times that he could stand in the pocket tall and deliver absolutely beautiful strikes with pin point accuracy all over the field.

    He SHOULD have been the greatest QB to ever play the game. He SHOULD have, at the very least, been a perennial top 3 QB. Unfortunately, he was that only sporadically, never consistent enough. He never lost the habit of trying to do too much and trying to score a TD on every play by doing the miraculous. He never learned to manage the game. Only learned to read defenses and be a pocket QB after losing years to the federal penitentiary. And, by the time he started to put it all together he was too old and fragile to keep it up for more than a year or two.

    If you judge on a curve based on what someone with his talent would be if they fully realized that talent, he failed to be the best QB he could have become.

  52. 52 ACViking said at 10:54 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Odd factoid of the day:

    In 2011, when Sanchez had his best season as a starter (year 3 of his career), the Jets’ OC was . . . Brian Schottenheimer.

    In 2012, when Bradford had his best full season as a starter (year 3 of his career), the Rams’ OC was . . . Brian Schottenheimer.

    Schotty the QB Whispering Grief Catcher?

  53. 53 Bert's Bells said at 11:42 AM on June 1st, 2015:


  54. 54 Jernst said at 12:35 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Given what I’ve seen from Schotty over his career, I think I’m more inclined to see that as the continued proof that year 3 is the year that most starting QBs naturally take a big jump. Brian Schottenheimer doesn’t seem to be the difference maker. But, interesting nonetheless.

  55. 55 GEAGLE said at 11:03 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Today should be an interesting day by offseason standards.
    chip and a couple players are addressing the media
    the media gets to watch practice and Bradford is supposed to throw 7 on 7 in front of the media
    And the cherry on top of the media day is Eagles are the featured team on NFL network tonight, which means former Fullback jackass turned chip Kelly hater should have plenty of ridiculuos things to say about us tonight..
    This is the only day this week that the media will have access, hopefully they make the most of it with some intelligent questions, maybe not waste their access on the #4 QB this time, since he is less relevant then Johnny Manziel…

  56. 56 Christian Fizia said at 11:38 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    Glad we have the Harvard Debatte Club all-stars. I love that we have a Team without the Greg Hardys or Ray McDonalds of the NFL. But neither Shady normalerweise DeSean were or are similar to this behaviour. And what about Maxwell? Is he the outcast for predicting a Superbowl particpation?

  57. 57 GEAGLE said at 11:49 AM on June 1st, 2015:

    If Maxwell didn’t have Super Bowl 50 on his brain, we gave the wrong player 60 million dollars.. Im less concerned about those quotes, and more interested in his quotes about being addicted to winning, and how he is chasing that feeling of winning a Super Bowl… It doesnt suck that a player who was one play away from playing for a dynasty a few months ago is impressed with our culture and feels very confident about the team he joined… When VICK and Vince Young talk like this is ridiculuos because they haven’t won anything… But I think it’s interesting to,hear the impressions of a new player coming from a team that reached the Pinnacle of the sport, and hear how we compare to a team that was literally one play away from true dynasty status……It doesn’t suck that a champion is so excited about his new sorroundings
    I’d be more worried if the guy we gave 60million sets his goals for a division win. Every single eagle in that locker room should have Super Bowl 50 on the brain. We have quality coaching, plenty of talent and proper training, if we don’t set our goals for Super Bowl 50 there is a serious problem, we are too talented for these guys to go into a season feeling like they arent good enough to make a run at the Lombardi…

  58. 58 Jernst said at 12:32 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agreed. Plus if you read the whole interview and not just the headline the statement is a lot less bravado and just confidence and what you’d want to hear from a leader on any team. He says that the Eagles are going far this year and that they’re gonna be playing for the Super Bowl and that that’s where their mindset is. “We’re gonna go that far this year — meaning the playoffs and the Super Bowl. We’re gonna go that far.”

    Then he’s asked if that’s a guarantee and he says, If you want to take that as a guarantee then fine, “You can take that as a guarantee. That’s just me believing in my team and the product we’re going to put out there on the field. I really do believe that. I have no choice but to think that way.”

    How can anyone take issue with that?

  59. 59 Michael Winter Cho said at 1:08 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I don’t take issue with his attitude. A player should be positive and confident.

    I’m not a player. Until we get a Russell Wilson, we’re not going anywhere.

  60. 60 Fufina said at 1:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I must be missing something because i just do not rate Russell Wilson as a top 10 QB. He has come into the league with the best running game in the NFL and the best defence in a generation. I do not know of a better situation for a QB to have come into in the league.

    People say he has no weapons – but top 10 QB’s make their WR’s better. Because he ‘wins’ and plays in Seattle he is criticism free, but he misses wide open wide receivers a lot, struggles to go through his progression and gets confused by coverage easily.

    Being asked to only complete 18 passes a game on average gives him a massive advantage with play action and extra people in the box, but he does not punish teams with that consistently. His 1.88 TD/TO ratio is hardly spectacular either.

    He is good running the ball, and is a great leader, But i just do not see the top 10 (or top 5 is a lot of cases) people suggest he is. Not to say he is not a winner or good enough for their system – but i am down on the Seahawks long term – and once he gets paid next year i think they are going to struggle to consistently be great if their defence does not continue to be so.

  61. 61 Michael Winter Cho said at 2:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Check out the stats:

    Despite the criticism he received last year, he put up the same numbers, minus some TDs. Probably just a blip.

    He’s a borderline top 10 passer and the best running QB in the league. Over time, he could improve with experience and better weapons. On the Eagles, his wheels would kick the Kelly system into overdrive and he could be an MVP-type player.

    His situation entering the league was not too different from Ben Rothlisburger (sp). Ben’s grew into a truly great player, but he just hasn’t had enough help.

  62. 62 MAR2691 said at 3:58 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    What RW has accomplished with a second-rate receiving corps is pretty impressive. The backbone of that team, however, is a punishing rushing attack and defense.

  63. 63 Fufina said at 4:04 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well we will see if how second-rate his receiving corps is as they try to retool to make the passing game a bigger component. It is not as if they have not used a lot of resources on WR/TE – big money for Sidney Rice and Zach Miller, traded for Harvin and paid him.

    Golden Tate who looked like just a guy looked like a very good no.2 in Detroit.

    Now i will hold my hands up and say i like passing QB’s and undervalue running ability, but when i watch seahawk games there about about 5 plays a game where i go wow thats great Russell, and about 35 where i go meh. Now that works with an amazing defence and RB, but if he has to carry the team…..

  64. 64 Christian Fizia said at 1:47 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Ben grew up into a rapist. Still don´t understand why this sucker is still in the league. He´s done worste then McDonald, Hardy and Rice.

  65. 65 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:16 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Er, I was purely talking about on-field performance. Not a fan of Ben the person either.

  66. 66 Christian Fizia said at 1:46 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    I don´t have an issue with it. Just comparing

  67. 67 Jernst said at 12:10 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Oh sorry, if that came off antagonistic. I was agreeing with you! The, “how can anyone take issue with that?” statement, wasn’t directed at you. I was just commiserating with you and saying yea, I totally agree with what you wrote above, not sure how anyone can take issue with what he said.

  68. 68 Tdoteaglefan said at 12:42 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yeah I think we all suffer from cases of “Dream team PTSD”. whereby every single overly optimistic comment from the players may give us flashbacks of Vince young’s goofy comment, and I actually shook my head when I read the Byron Maxwell guarantee but felt MUCH better after reading the whole article and seeing where that belief came from. This is a cat that came from a winning program who is obsessed with winning and says that this; culture, energy and synergy among the players are an exact carbon copy of the Winning program that he just came from. This was not just some mindless, flippant overly confident and delusional comment. This is a genuine belief from an individual who is familiar with winning and what it takes for a program to win..

  69. 69 GEAGLE said at 12:48 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well said… It’s not like he came in saying “SAM Bradford is so good we are going to win a Super Bowl” or ” this secondary can be better then the Legion of Boom”.. He isn’t making any absurd claims other then being impressed with the culture of his new team, the work ethic, the quality of people in the building, and not for nothing, but with as much as Chip prioritized building this culture to the point we gave away Probowlers to rivals and got nothing in return, we better at least have a damn culture that will impress even a free agent from a championship culture.. With as much emphasis chip put into building this culture, it would be a serious punch in the gut if a guy from a quasi Dynasty comes in and says “it’s ok around here, but long way to go until it can be like seattle”…Thank GOD we make this type of impression on players from such successful franchises..

  70. 70 Christian Fizia said at 1:53 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    I read the article. And just once again. I just compared stuff. Don´t have a problem with what he said. But I also don´t have a problem with what Shady said to Osi.
    I just think Tommy chose some bad examples to make his point.
    I love our team and I love it even more for the decission to bring in players who are not stupid assholes. But I also think that you need nastiness in your team. You don´t want all finess players. Think about all the eagles greatest of the past. Some of those Kelly wouldn´t sign because they won´t fit the “culture”.
    But again I´m not rooting against a single player – Just saying that I have a different oppinion about some of it.

  71. 71 Christian Fizia said at 1:45 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Yeah “Dream team”
    And the point wasn´t to say I have any problem with Maxwell – The point was to say that Tommy is overreacting to the stuff of DeSean and LeSean. He mentions LeSeans beef with Osi. What´s the problem with it and difference to predicting a superbowl participation?

  72. 72 Jason said at 1:22 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I’m guessing you were not an all-star member of the Harvard Debatte Club.

  73. 73 MattE said at 1:25 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    1st Alternate.

  74. 74 Jason said at 1:28 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I picture the Harvard Debatte Club as a bunch of freshmen who sit around after class asking permission to go to the bathroom. “May I please go to Debatte?”

  75. 75 BobSmith77 said at 2:13 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Highly unlikely. They are much more likely to be alpha types that are used to be strong and assertive especially in a public manner.

  76. 76 Christian Fizia said at 1:54 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    No I´m not. Living in a different country – Like to discuss but not to debate.

  77. 77 Bert's Bells said at 12:02 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Op-ed article about hiring for #culture.

    Companies who say they value culture are hiring for personal fit more than organizational culture.

    Interesting in comparison to what Kelly is doing.

  78. 78 Avery Greene said at 3:28 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yeah, I think Kelly is doing a bit of what the author was suggesting. I find this stuff fascinating.

  79. 79 Sean Stott said at 12:38 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Anything Peter King says is wrong. He’s such a bumbling idiot that it’s become comical. That’s what I think I think.

  80. 80 Fufina said at 1:27 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yeah he has us way to low, we are going to the superbowl baby! 19-0!


  81. 81 GEAGLE said at 1:08 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Thursday is Greg Hardys apeal.. Allegedly they are expecting his 10 game suspension to be reduced by two or four games… Either way, he will miss at least the first cowboy game so we can enjoy watching Randy Gregory start his 2nd NFL game lined up across from the Boss Hog, Jason Peters… if he had a rough day when MELVIN Gordon and Wisconsin ran all over him for 400yards, what’s going to happen in week 2, when Demarco Murray will run like he is possessed against Dallas?
    So Excited for the week two Dallas game, especially when recentky the dallas games were bunched together towards the end of the seasons. would have been awesome to open the season in Philly against Dallas, but week 2’will do just fine.. Demarcus Lawrence in year two against Lane Johnson in what will be the year he entrenches himself as the best RT in the game, and Rookie Randy Gregory in his second NFL game against Jason Peters..LOL and it’s not like Dallas has much beef in the interior of their DL.. For example they are moving last years starting DE Mincy to DT.
    it’s a shame THATS not the week 1 game… Speaking of Opening game, so far the Eagles have opened the season in two very different ways under Chip.
    the 2013 season Opener will always be remembered as the game Chip opened up the gates of defensive hell and unleashed his tempo and offense on the unprepared Redskins who didn’t know what hit them. No Eagle coach will EVER have a better debut then opening day 2013 when the Eagles scalped the skins…
    2014 was a very different opening game. as soon as the game started the Jaguars DL was knocking FOles all over the place. FOles took a beating and the offense struggled the entire first half while Our Secondary was making Allen Hurns look like the debut of the second coming of Randy Moss. We got our asses kicked in the first half, and then played the comeback kid role in the 2nd half.. It wasn’t pretty, but we remain undefeated on opening day Undwr Chip
    Curious to see what TYPE of season debut we will see this year against the Falcons? Do we come out flat and struggle early? Or Bradford and Murray come out guns blazing and make a statement, putting the division on notice? Hopefully we keep the week 1 winning streak alive, and then rally around Demarco Murray in week 2 to make sure we give Dallas the ass whooping they won’t forget.. Wouldnt mind beating on Romos back early in week 2, łet Curry, Barwin, Cox Rough Romo up early in the season, while our front 7 embarresses Randle,and McFadden completely shutdown their run game while Murray goes for 200 yards against them, that will provide some bad vibes for a locker room that ISNT known for character and leadership, make some doubt creep in, heck im sure plenty of the players thought they made a big mistake losing Murray. It’s a nice opportunity to push those buttons and let some of that doubt and maybe turmoil creep into that locker room

  82. 82 Gary Barnes said at 1:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I’m fine with the changes Kelly has made and like the overall philosophy focused on finding the right players for what he wants to do, but I am struggling with Kelly hype fatigue and cannot wait for the season to start so we can see the results…because that is the bottom line IMO…Kelly needs to prove it on the field and get his team to win the ring…not just win divisions, not just make the playoffs, not just win playoff games, not just get to the NFCCG, not just get to the SB…we’ve done all that before multiple times…we need Kelly’s team to win it. So far, the performance of his teams has been mixed. I figure we’ve got 3 years or so before Kelly moves on so this season is really important and we need to see some significant progress on the field. I think we will, but the off-season has killed me with all the media hype and over-reactions…it has been 55 years since we’ve had a football championship here. Time to end that streak.

  83. 83 peteike said at 1:34 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Of course we want a superbowl but Ill take a playoff win to start

  84. 84 Gary Barnes said at 1:40 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    As I said, significant progress this season…a playoff win works, but more would be better since I firmly believe if Kelly cannot get his QB here that he’ll be gone in 3 years…if Bradford does not pan out, we’d have to draft an option and/or trade for another under-valued vet…Sanchez is not the answer IMO.

  85. 85 peteike said at 1:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    agree, QB still in limbo for sure. If they have to draft a guy it could take longer also and who knows what kind of patience there is anymore in Pro sports.

  86. 86 Fufina said at 1:47 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    It is a show me year for me. The reality is he has made big changes – when he really did not need to. If they brought back the same cast – Foles/Maclin/LeSalty with some defensive improvement in the secondary i think we go and win the NFC East and probably a play off game. (far softer schedule – Dallas regresses this year)

    He is shooting for greatness and he needs to at least match what i would have expected from the team if he hadn’t ‘blown up’ the offensive skill positions.

    Now i understand many of his moves – but if this does not work out well he will find his honeymoon over fast having got rid of fan favourites like DeGone and Salty.

  87. 87 RobNE said at 2:06 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    but your baseline is totally hypothetical. You just assume the same cast wins the division. Foles was not good last year. In your time loop, do we keep Fletcher and Williams? do we draft different people too? I don’t understand how you just assume division title and playoff win.

  88. 88 Fufina said at 2:24 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well i have more faith in Foles than many, and with better OL play and continued development i think it would be unlikely that he is would not be better than 2014 (although not as good as 2013). We still replace Fletcher with Maxwell but we keep Williams because we are not spending $13mil on a QB.

    As with everything it is a projection – if you have an injury horror show everything goes to tits up, but i do not think it is unreasonable to project same offensive weapons producing slightly better numbers with improved OL play, and continued defensive improvement with a softer schedule.

  89. 89 RobNE said at 3:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Looper didn’t end well.

  90. 90 peteike said at 1:46 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Cam just got a deal

  91. 91 Fufina said at 1:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I have not seen the numbers – but the rumours of it being 5 years and north of 100mil and fully guaranteed could be a massive game changer in the QB market.

    Luck is going to get PAID, and IF Bradford has a break out year (4500 yards 3TD/TO ratio) he is going to get a $20mil plus deal.

  92. 92 peteike said at 1:51 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    yup, its going up and fast

  93. 93 Tdoteaglefan said at 1:53 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yup, luck and wilson are gonna get PAID

  94. 94 Javi Echie said at 2:06 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I actually read somewhere that it is going to be more like $55-$60 mil guaranteed but not a fully guaranteed contract. Either way every good QB up for an extension must be loving life at the moment.

  95. 95 Fufina said at 2:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    My understanding on the imminent Cam Newton 5-year, more than $100M extension is full guarantees are very real. We wait for firm numbers— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) June 1, 2015

  96. 96 Javi Echie said at 2:17 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well Rapoport is borderline terrible lol but regardless of that if this is true then yea the Panthers are gonna ruin everything for every good team with a young ascending qb.

  97. 97 anon said at 2:21 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    maybe that’s the point. how do you cripple seattle? it’s clear rw wants to be the highest paid qb.

  98. 98 Javi Echie said at 2:23 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    That’ll work for me, cripple Carolina (who is coming off a bad year regardless of going to the playoffs) and yes cripple the Seahawks.

  99. 99 MattE said at 2:57 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Luck is going to just get 49% ownership in the Colts lol… not majority owner but not bad.

  100. 100 Media Mike said at 4:37 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Pure heroin addict level of compensation handed out by Carolina.

    Player A – 6 years / $96 million. 2 time pro bowler. 64 starts 43-30-1 career record. 0-4 in playoffs. 1301/2111 (61.6%) career passer with 14758 yards, 99 Tds / 66 Ints / 19 fumbles, 85.2 passer rating.

    Player B – 5 years / $100 million (allegedly). 2 time pro bowler, 62 starts 30-31-1. 1-2 record in playoffs. 1144 / 1923 (59.5%) career passer with 14426 yards, 82 TDs / 54 ints / 30 fumbles, 85.4 passer rating.

    How the hell is Player A (Dalton) a $4 mil / year less player than Player B (Scam Newton)?

  101. 101 anon said at 4:47 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    aj green probably plays a big part

  102. 102 Media Mike said at 4:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Who Cam would miss often.

  103. 103 Tumtum said at 5:24 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I see what you mean, but I mean the numbers just don’t match the eye test. To the eye Dalton is a pretty good QB. Cam looks like a guy who could be in the same discussion with all of the greats when its over.

  104. 104 Media Mike said at 5:34 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    The eye test with Cam shows me a guy with limited skills as a passer and an increasing injury load from running too much. He, and his entire foolish style of play, are as about as far from all time greats as one can get.

  105. 105 anon said at 5:39 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    “increasing injury load from running too much” his o-line, having no RBs, and no WRs for most of his time at qb have nothing to do with that?

  106. 106 Media Mike said at 5:58 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I was going to go with having little or no clue on how to avoid contact and even less of a clue on how to read a D while running too much.

  107. 107 Tumtum said at 1:43 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Injury is starting to concern me with him. I still think his career trajectory is pointed toward the stars.

  108. 108 Jason said at 6:39 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Because Dalton sucks

  109. 109 Media Mike said at 7:12 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I don’t think Dalton is any more or less sucky compared to Cam. Their stats comparable and both guys have huge holes in their games.

  110. 110 Jason said at 7:03 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Andy Dalton’s performance in prime time games:

    W-L: 2-5
    Passes completed/attempted: 154-263
    Completion percentage: 58.5%
    Yards per game: 212.3
    Touchdowns: 6
    Interceptions: 7
    QB Rating: 70.93

    He is the epitome of a below average QB

  111. 111 Media Mike said at 7:14 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Ok, So what’s Cam’s?

    Were the “prime time games” home or away? Vs. playoff teams? Division teams? Eventual deep playoff run teams?

    Those stats in abstract show Dalton has some deficiencies. So does Cam. They’re similarly flawed players that you cannot give Cam a 25% increase of Dalton’s deal.

  112. 112 Jason said at 7:47 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Whose surrounding OL and skill players have been superior? Cincy by at least 25%, no?

    Sure, Cam has much to prove if he is a top notch QB. One thing he does not have to prove is that he has a greater ceiling than mediocre Andy Dalton.

  113. 113 Media Mike said at 7:49 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I don’t see it. Cam’s lack of development of any types of passing skill set his ceiling just as low. I’m not a fan of either guy at all.

  114. 114 Jernst said at 1:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Here’s some off the wall predictions for this year:

    1) I think Ryan Matthews is going to be the best addition to the team next year. Everyone discounts him after the Murray signing. But, this dude has so much talent it’s insane. When he’s been healthy, which has admittedly been few and far between and his biggest downfall, he’s been prolific.

    Guy is going to go off in this offense.

    2) Murray will be good and stay healthy, but he’ll give up a lot more carries to Matthews and Sproles than we all anticipate. He’s a great technician and constantly picks up positive yards, but he lacks the top end talent of Matthews.

    3) Bradford will be neither a revelation at the QB position or an outright bust. He’ll be better than Foles last year, but he’s not going to light it up and we’re going to have new things to complain about with regards to his play that we’re not seeing just yet. He’ll stay healthy and put up good numbers, but we’ll have an interesting decision next off season about whether or not to pay him.

    4) We’ll still be calling for more Ertz into the last quarter of the year. Same with Sproles. We just won’t use them as much as we expected.

    5) Riley Cooper will have a bounce back year. He’ll be more of a #3, #4 WR this year, but, he’ll play a lot better and make some highlight plays down the field and in the red zone. Everyone thinking he’s definitely gone next year might end up being disappointed.

    6) Mathis has played his last game as an Eagle. Tobin and Barbre start. They are better than expected, but we experience one injury along the oline and our lack of depth becomes a thorn in the offenses side all year.

    7) The defensive front 7 takes off, but Brandon Graham is less than ideal at OLB. His pass coverage is below average and his pass rushing isn’t as good as PFF would have you believe. Barwin, Cox, Kendricks and Kiko make up for it in the sack department, but, we’re looking to replace Graham next year if MS2 doesn’t step up. If MS2 comes into his own, we start to see him stealing more and more snaps from Graham as the year goes on.

    8) Maxwell becomes the best CB we’ve had since Troy Vincent. Thurmond revitalizes his career as a safety, but struggles with run support. Rowe doesn’t play much until after the half way point of the year and only then because Carroll isn’t getting it done. But, he looks promising.

    9) Ryans proves to not have the speed to play as a starter any more and Kiko, Kendricks are our clear cut starters at ILB.

    10) Boykins pulled hamstring from last year is healed and he plays much better this year and has another 6 INTs and leaves in FA next year.

    11) Curry gets 10 sacks this year and is resigned in FA next year.

  115. 115 Fufina said at 1:56 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Think i agree with most of the points, a lot of a good predictions which i agree with.

    Graham is here for 2 years on his new contract so he is not going anywhere soon, and i think he will be good enough for us. The Eagles would prefer longterm for MSII to be the starting OLB and for Graham to be dominant in our 4 man front sub package imho.

    Think if Bradford is decent he will be lighting things up – People were down on Foles last year but he was still putting up big volume stats. If Bradford is better then Eagles are going to put up some fancy numbers especially behind a great running game.

    I think Matthews will be a 2nd half ‘finisher’, coming in when their defence is tired and beaten up with a healthy dose of Murray and up tempo – and he is going to have some massive big plays because he has AP breakaway speed.

  116. 116 Jernst said at 2:00 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    agree completely! Bradford will put up awesome numbers. I think he throws some more INTs than we like though and it’ll be a big decision to see if we pay him $17-20 mil per year moving forward.

    I could definitely see Matthews being our closer. He comes in in the second half with fresh legs and a worn down defense and just bursts through arm tackles for long gains.

    Graham will be here for 2 years. But, I think we’re looking to improve ultimately. I don’t think he’ll prove to be the long term solution.

  117. 117 Fufina said at 2:10 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well Graham’s contract if he puts up 8-10 sacks a year is going to look really cheap in 3 years time. Think he will be with us for a while as a specialist 3rd down player (same thing with Vinny – he will get $7mil per year extension and i think their combined production will exceed a lot of pass rushers paid their combined salary)

  118. 118 Jernst said at 2:38 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Good points!

  119. 119 Rambo said at 2:41 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I see a few people saying Matthews is our 2nd half closer at the RB spot. What makes him a better closer than Murray? I am just trying to understand….no complaints if that’s the plan. I just wanna win! lol.

  120. 120 Jernst said at 2:49 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Murray is more consistent and a good all around technician. He’ll grind out lots of yards and put the offense in a position to succeed as the starter. Ryans has a rare combo of size, power and speed. A lot less consistent, but if you put that physical skill on display against a tired worn out defense he’ll bust the game open.

    Not sure, if that really makes him a better closer. You could make the point that having his big plays get us a lead and then having Murray grind out 4-5 yards a carry in the second half would make more sense.

    I think its more likely that we rotate them a good bit throughout the game, but whoever our 2nd RB is will get the bulk of running the clock out carries to keep the other fresh due to both of them having injury histories. Right now that seems like Matthews with Murray the presumptive starter. My original point, was that by half way through this year, I think Matthews might be the better back and hence the #1 rusher on the team.

  121. 121 Rambo said at 2:56 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Great explanation. I see your points. Thanks!

  122. 122 Fufina said at 3:55 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He is a more explosive runner, has really high top end speed, and tends to focus more on trying to find those big runs. Murray tends to hit the hole harder and run through contact more.

    Both running backs are 1 cut and go in style, but that does not mean they are the same runner – Murray seems to enjoy contact and fighting for yards, Matthews has a better sense of space and a more explosive step so can blow past LB’s and Safety’s making big runs.

  123. 123 OregonDucker said at 4:28 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    That’s the way I see these RBs Fufina. Good summary.

  124. 124 BobSmith77 said at 2:09 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    When has Graham ever been dominant though for any kind of extended stretch? That wasn’t my least favorite move this offseason but it was Top 3. Overpay for a guy who even during the course of a game dominates through out, is a real liability in coverage, and just isn’t a good fit for this scheme.

  125. 125 Fufina said at 2:14 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    $6.5mil per year is not an overpay for his production at all. Even if all he ever is long term is a situational pass rusher who gets 50 pressures a year – 5-8 sacks and 2-4 FF, that is value in the current pass rusher market.

  126. 126 Jernst said at 2:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Not really an overpay at all. He’s the 16th highest paid OLB and the 27th highest paid DE. Plus, it’s not like there were a bunch of other great options. He knows the defense, can be effective although probably not dominant like you say, and he’s getting paid accordingly.

    I just think that if you read PFF he’s ranked as the best pass rusher in the league sometimes and that seems wrong to me. He’s good, decent bullrush. Nothing to write home about though.

  127. 127 MattE said at 2:54 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    barwin could just as easily drop into coverage more often like year 1

  128. 128 Gary Barnes said at 2:55 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He never got the chance to play for any extended stretch so how could he show you that domination? This is his first opportunity to come into a season as the starter…that is a risk, but if Kelly and Davis believed in him enough to re-sign him I’m willing to give him a snap before I bash him…

  129. 129 Insomniac said at 4:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Maybe Chip will trade Graham to Andy next year? Andy seems to want his guys back and by some miracle we get Houston to replace him.

  130. 130 Tumtum said at 5:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If you like PFF at all, I do believe they rate him as one of the most productive pass-rushers in the leauge. Right? Do I remember correctly, anyone?

    Cole ended up doing okay in coverage, even if it didn’t look good (of course he did, he is Trent Cole!), but he very rarely did it. I really doubt Graham will do it often, and I am sure it is a focus for him this off-season.

  131. 131 anon said at 5:40 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    not every situational pass rusher is meant to start. but he’ll have the chance to prove it one way or the other.

  132. 132 Tumtum said at 5:18 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Wish I could get on board that Bradford bandwagon. Just can’t.

  133. 133 RobNE said at 2:03 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    so…SB win right?

  134. 134 Jernst said at 2:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Just one SB win?

  135. 135 RobNE said at 3:13 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    “predictions for this year”. If they can win two this year Chip is even better than I thought.

  136. 136 Jernst said at 6:25 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    We hired that genius for a reason. Anything less than 2 this year will be underwhelming for me personally.

  137. 137 botto said at 3:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    dang Matthews looks good.
    I think you might be right about him..

  138. 138 Jernst said at 6:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I was shocked when I saw his highlights. He looks like an absolute beast. I love the way he attacks holes with no wasted motion at full speed. He is violent at the point of contact. And, my personal favorite, is how he uses his free hand to keep himself off the ground after contact and quickly keeps moving forward instead of going down. That and his insane top end speed for a guy his size.

    That being said, no one ever really doubted his skill set. And, the low lights consist of weeks and weeks on the disabled list hanging out on the sidelines. If we get a healthy year out of him, though, watch out. He’s a much more talented runner than Murray. And, people will quickly realize that he’s not an after thought at all.

  139. 139 Nicky Puffy CoatS said at 3:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I can’t like #11 enough.

  140. 140 unhinged said at 4:04 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    What’s your take on the Belmont Stakes?

  141. 141 MagsMama said at 7:27 PM on June 1st, 2015:


  142. 142 Insomniac said at 4:07 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    2011, when he wasn’t injured like a dozen times. We all knew Mathews had talent but he just wasn’t healthy or consistent enough to be a RB1. I like the signing but the contract is what soured everyone on the signing..oh and cutting Polk (who Mathews is tons more talented than).

  143. 143 Jernst said at 6:32 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Cutting Polk didn’t phase me too much. As you said Matthews is much more talented. And, let’s be honest, Polk was a weekly guest on the injured list throughout his career too. I think we overvalued Polk a bit. Matthews will make everyone forget about him pretty quickly if he’s healthy this year.

  144. 144 Tumtum said at 5:08 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Nice highlights but I am worried about consistency with him. I will say he is our best 2 since Lesean was behind Westy.

  145. 145 Jernst said at 6:31 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yea, consistency and health are his two main issues. Mostly health. If he stays healthy…which admittedly is a big IF, he has a chance to be prolific in this offense.

  146. 146 Jernst said at 6:40 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Injury history is huge…that’s the big risk with him. Probably can’t count on him as an every down back unless you have a great 1-2 punch at RB. But, teamed up with Murray and getting 150 carries a year, I think people might be really surprised at what a difference he can make for our offense.

  147. 147 BobSmith77 said at 2:07 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Still though the Agholor answer about ‘wanting to work like a peasant’ was idiotic even if it was just a sound byte answer to a formulaic question.

  148. 148 peteike said at 2:14 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    this is the new go to for athletes now. First it was coaches over working, long hours etc. Now its players

  149. 149 MagsMama said at 7:21 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Peasants are often required to work very hard! Some of my own ancestors certainly were.

  150. 150 GEAGLE said at 2:38 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    LOL Barkley took,shots at TEBOW,,basically called him a “camp em”…

  151. 151 peteike said at 2:48 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    is it me, or does Barkley always seem salty

  152. 152 Jernst said at 2:51 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    always salty. I remember him being miffed that it wasn’t a 3 QB race his rookie year. It was like, come on dude, you were a 4th round rookie, concentrate on learning the playbook and proving you beling at all instead of getting offended that you weren’t immediately considered neck and neck with two veteran QBs.

  153. 153 anon said at 2:52 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    he’s got that djax mentality

  154. 154 Gary Barnes said at 3:00 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Disagree…he is very competitive and used to being successful. I have zero problem with a player pushing for playing time and wanting to get a shot…that is what you want as a coach IMO. The player you do not want is the one content with being #3 QB and is fine carrying around a clipboard….Barkley is confident and wants a chance to show what he can do…so far he’s only gotten slop time due to injury/blowouts or playing with backups in preseason games…I’m sure he is frustrated and wants a chance to play with the top players…again that is what I would want as a coach.

  155. 155 b3nz0z said at 3:48 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    in the “slop time” his job is to show us enough to make the coaches want to keep him in. he failed to do so. i’m not big on harsh logic, but if you’re a backup and you aren’t performing at a level that forces a conversation about your role . . . then you have no reason to expect anything

  156. 156 Gary Barnes said at 4:16 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    The whole idea behind “slop time” is it is either at the end of a game due to blowout or because of an injury to the starter or #2…neither scenario is a good chance for success or for “making the coaches want to keep him in”. He is not the starter! There is nothing short of leading the team to a SB that would make the coaches leapfrog him over Foles & Vick his rookie year or Foles & Sanchez last year…

    In 2013, as a rookie, he got time in 3 games; 1 due to Foles being injured at the end of the 3rd quarter and the other due to Foles being out & Vick leaving during the game and then 1 in relief at the end since again we were blowing the other team out (Foles 7 TD game vs OAK).

    He struggled vs Dallas in the 1st game, 11-20 for 129 yds and 3 INT. However, he was a rookie going against a good defense who had knocked Foles out of the game…

    The next week vs the Giants he was better, 17-26 for 158 yds (65.4 C%). He still threw an INT, but showed more poise overall.

    Last year, the only time he got was at the end of the CAR game since we were hammering them 45-21…Barkley got to make 1 pass and run it 3 times…

    One other indicator was his pre-season performance was improved last year over 2013. As a rookie, he only completed 50.8% of his passes; last year he completed 63.1% of his passes…again playing mostly with guys who did not make the team.

  157. 157 b3nz0z said at 4:23 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    well he can keep waiting for a “perfect” scenario to show his potential, but if he were worthy of a big jump on the chart he would have shown something in his chances. “slop time” also means the other team isn’t going as hard any more. long story short he’s been in NFL games several times and never made anyone say “wow i’d like to see what else he can do.” i mean by your own recollection he had more than a quarter to show something in at least one game. are there excuses for why he didn’t show more? sure. do you want a starting QB who needs excuses? the job isn’t his because he hasn’t taken the job.

  158. 158 Gary Barnes said at 4:34 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I’m not sure if you’re joking or delusional, but Barkley was a 4th rd pick and he only got time to play in regular season games in his rookie year…no rookie QB does very well especially after the starter or the starter & backup have gone down (both scenarios happened to Barkley), the #3 has gotten zero snaps during the week and the defense has their ears pinned back coming full bore…

    Even so, as I said, he IMPROVED from his first game to the second in 2013 (the 3rd one again was slop time at the end of a blowout win) and also IMPROVED from his first preseason performances in 2013 to his second ones last season…

    Again last year he played exactly 4 snaps all season, 1 pass and 3 kneel downs at the end of the CAR game…how the F is he supposed to show anything there? He cannot…

    In his 3rd year, he needs to take another step forward in TC and do even better in preseason than 2014…that likely will still not get him a shot to start since again the Eagles have an established starter and #2 backup, but that is all he can do…

  159. 159 b3nz0z said at 4:46 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    i don’t recall hearing anything about Chip Kelly not giving reps to QB3. in fact i could’ve sworn everyone got reps. something about speed of practice and whatnot . . . you’re right though. it would be unfair to judge a potential franchise quarterback based on how he performs under pressure or against a defense with its ears pinned back, since those scenarios would never happen to a qb in real gametime.
    i’m not sure what you don’t understand about the hundreds of chances he’s had. it isn’t just at game time, it’s in the meetings and classrooms and practice fields. clearly he has not done enough in any of those situations to move up the chart. and it’s laughable that you’re acting like he was behind some logjam of amazing qbs. does it seem to you that Kelly loves Foles? did sanchez do an amazing job and lead us to the playoffs? no. so if barkley was the hotness and the two guys in front of him weren’t able to get it done (for Kelly not you and me), and he STILL didn’t get to go out there, and he STILL hasn’t moved up a whole year later, what does that tell you? he might end up being a great qb but he’s failed to show it up to now in the hundreds of opportunities he’s had (if you include practice and camp like we’ve been told the Eagles’ staff uses them to evaluate). i don’t hate the kid. but i think showing frustration or resentment about his situation shows that, in addition to not being ready to pass in the NFL, he isn’t ready to lead there either.

  160. 160 Tumtum said at 4:40 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Lets say I safety for Dallas. My team’s defense is pretty suspect and we are playing a hated rival. We whup them so bad they pull their starter. The kid replacing him? Former USC himself Matt Barkley!

    The LAST thing I am gonna do is dog it. Not just because every play is reviewed by my coaches, but would be even more motivated to stomp a hole in that team. 1. Crush Matt Barkley becasue F him 2. Crush the Eagles worse because F them 3. No chance I am letting the Eagles get a brand new number one QB today against me…this day is gonna start bad for them and end worse.

    Maybe I’m a jerk because this is the way I think. I think that is a necessary mindset for a professional athlete. Mind you just during the game. I played my piddly little sport at a high level and it worked for me. Any excuse to play harder… play harder. Winning? Losing? Someone looked at you cross eyed? They think they are better than you? (I always thought that one).

    Ok Barkley hasn’t proven to be good. Hate him for that. Don’t hate him for being bull dog.

  161. 161 Jernst said at 5:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    All good things. He should just talk more about how he’s going to outwork people and continue to improve and less complaining about how he’s not getting a fair shake. Nothing he’s done so far has looked like a clear starting QB and yet he’s acting like it’s absurd that he’s not being given a shot to be our starting QB.

  162. 162 Tumtum said at 4:33 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    What has Barkley said to make you feel he expects to be the starter? Hate the guy because he wants it. Good call.

  163. 163 b3nz0z said at 4:38 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    what did i say that makes you think i hate the guy? i don’t recall saying i hated the guy? oh i didn’t? you just made assumptions because it’s easier to argue a point i never actually made? oh ok got it now.

  164. 164 Tumtum said at 4:43 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Ok : hate on. The point is that you said he expects it. If you are not hating I don’t know what your doing. Why focus on the part that you know was not the main point?

  165. 165 b3nz0z said at 4:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    ok. the main point was that you seem to think being surly about what string you are is a sign of a good teammate and competitor. i disagreed, and i tried to explain why his surliness about not moving up the depth chart was unwarranted due to the fact that he has YET to show anything to compel staff to move him up. so he’s pissed because he isn’t moving up, he isn’t moving up because he hasn’t done anything impressive in two years, and your conclusion is that those of us who don’t like his pouting attitude would prefer someone with no ambition. explain what i’ve missed please.

  166. 166 Tumtum said at 4:54 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He is surly because he hasn’t been good enough to move up. That is what you are missing. Everything else you said is correct. You just miss that.

    He is so non-complacent it affects his mood. If you don’t like that, then I am led to believe you like the opposite, which is complacency.

    I get it now. You want someone who is happy as a clam and driven. I guess those guys exist (Hi Tim). In general I think you are chasing unicorns.

  167. 167 b3nz0z said at 4:58 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    not unicorns. grown men who know when to hide their hurt feelings. let’s take your example. you’re an NFL Safety for the hated cowboys. you’d love to get inside the new eagles QB’s head. if only you could figure out what sorts of things really bother him and oh wait . . . don’t you remember reading some quotes from him where it seems like he’s a little frustrated in his progression and maybe a little worried about tebow nipping at his heels? oh man, i wonder if there’s anything you could think of to say to a guy like that to get under his skin?

  168. 168 Tumtum said at 5:01 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If there is a player on this squad that would have their level of play affected by smack talk, then its time to find a new coaching staff.

    Lets not also forget that he could simply not be a fan of the media. People become so frustrated with players that don’t like the media. Its understandable because the media is their conduit to the people, but unfortunate.

  169. 169 Tumtum said at 4:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Thumbs up x100

  170. 170 HawaiianEagle said at 4:50 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Look at G.J. Not happy carrying a clipboard now has moved to WR… Chip keeping him around. Talented? Not at QB – but he demonstrates the fire…

  171. 171 Tumtum said at 4:56 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Keeping him around for camp. That guy is going to have a TOUGH time making this team. He is out of PS time, right?

  172. 172 Jernst said at 5:41 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I’d rather him talk about the areas that he needs to improve, the areas where he needs to show the coaches that they can trust him and the ways in which he’s working to be the starting QB. My issue is that he seems to come off as just salty that it hasn’t been handed to him yet and that clearly he’s killing it every day out there and the coaching staff isn’t giving him a fair shot.

  173. 173 MagsMama said at 7:14 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Doesn’t Chip say that everybody has to earn playing time? So, if Barkley hasn’t played, even with the rotating QBs in the last couple of years……?

  174. 174 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 3:31 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Minus any discernible talent to justify having said mentality.

  175. 175 Tumtum said at 4:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    You guys go ahead and root for the guy that is just happy as a clam holding a clip board at best on game day. I’m gonna root for the guys who want it so bad they can’t hide it.

  176. 176 Joe Minx said at 5:28 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I agree with you that I want guys with that kind of competitive fire. But at the same time I don’t think there’s any denying that Barkley hasn’t done a very good job of handling his transition to the NFL & it doesn’t come off very well.

  177. 177 Tumtum said at 5:29 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If you mean that he kinda sucks.. yeah he does. Can’t argue that.

  178. 178 Joe Minx said at 5:33 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well, yes lol. But I meant that I almost detect a sense of entitlement there. It’s not as overt as with some other people because he does couch it in competitive desire. Like Jernst pointed out above, how he was salty that he wasn’t really a part of the QB competition in 2013; that his pedigree should have guaranteed him that when in reality you’re not guaranteed anything as a rook. Stuff like that.

  179. 179 Jernst said at 5:39 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    This! I want all my QBs even the fourth stringer to work and prepare like they’re the starter and to want to be the starter. But, Barkley seems to act as if he should be given an opportunity to start and that his not starting is not a sign that he needs to work harder or play better, but that his coaches aren’t giving him the opportunity that he deserves. Just the impression I get every time a mic is put in front of him is that he’s dismayed that he hasn’t been groomed as or given the outright starting QB job and that he’s shocked things have been this difficult for him.

  180. 180 Insomniac said at 4:10 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I don’t buy Bradford’s comment about his contract not being in his control. That’s some BS generic fodder for the media.

  181. 181 A_T_G said at 5:24 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Yep, but if anything, I think that makes it even more of a Kelly-approved response.

  182. 182 unhinged said at 5:28 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If Roseman wants to wait, Sam’s agent cannot force a new contract out of him. Doubt that Sam is going to miss rehab because he wants a new contract.

  183. 183 Insomniac said at 5:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    They’ve been working on a new contract since he got traded to us. So no..Roseman isn’t waiting.

  184. 184 unhinged said at 5:46 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Still don’t get how his answer was BS. Would you expect him to say, “Eagles are low-balling me, but my agent’s hangin’ tough?”

  185. 185 Insomniac said at 5:57 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Bradford has shown no indication of being a franchise QB and has been paid like one for years. I doubt Roseman is lowballing someone so undeserving to be paid well.

  186. 186 Birds4Life said at 8:59 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    But why would he want to sign a long term contract when his value is at an all-time low? He is hopefully about to play a season where most offensive players put up career stats.

  187. 187 Insomniac said at 3:29 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Because it’s in our best interest? The way it is now, Bradford may as retire next year if Chip can’t jumpstart his career here. Bradford could very well pull a Maclin and leave for more money than he’s worth. Is it for his best interest? It is considering how mediocre he has played. No one will give him another decent contract unless he wants to be a backup for life.

  188. 188 Birds4Life said at 4:41 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Why would Bradford do what is in the Eagles’ best interest when it wouldn’t be in his best interest? He believes in himself and thinks he can do great here. So he is betting on himself like Maclin did. Bradford has made like $65 million already on his rookie deal, I don’t think he is concerned with money. Why would you sign a contact now paying like $12-13 million a year when he could play great and earn $20 million a year? It makes no sense from his standpoint to sign a new contract now.

  189. 189 Insomniac said at 8:22 PM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Because they’re the only team that believes in him? Much to your dismay but the majority views Bradford as a bust. He believes in himself so much that he though of retiring last year? That’s a lot of believing in his own ability.

    He’s not concerned with money yet they talked to him about contracts before the draft? Players would love to have their contracts done so they can focus on football so what’s the holdup? Obviously, its money. If Bradford leaves after a mediocre year here then Chip is getting canned.

  190. 190 Birds4Life said at 9:15 AM on June 3rd, 2015:

    So the Browns didn’t have interest in trading for Bradford? The Eagles weren’t the only team that believed in him.

    He thought about retiring (for about a week) because he tore his ACL for a second time in 10 months and didn’t want to go through rehab again. That’s different than not believing in his abilities.

    Players like to sign contracts when their value is at the highest, not when they are the lowest! This is exactly what Maclin did.

  191. 191 Insomniac said at 10:12 AM on June 3rd, 2015:

    The Browns wouldn’t even take him without a contract extension done in the first place. Uhh stay in shape for the game and you only play the game out of love or for money. Bradford is all about the money. Maclin was offered the right price twice in his career and showed his true colors in the end.

  192. 192 Birds4Life said at 12:45 PM on June 3rd, 2015:

    Uh no, the Browns didn’t want to give up a first round pick for a guy that could leave after one year. They knew he would leave if he had the choice. BUT, they still wanted him. So when you say that no one believed in him, you are wrong. You don’t see my point, so I’m done trying to explain it to you.

  193. 193 Tumtum said at 4:27 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I hate to say it, but a bunch of the examples you gave up Chip’s guys vs no Chip’s guys were pretty stretched. I don’t care if Demarco was a Desean personality clone, Chip was gonna take that present when it fell in his lap. If Lesean fit Chip’s ideal running style he would still be here. Matt Barkley is not only still here, but was drafted by Chip/Howie. Pretty sure hating life as a back up is an enduring trait to Chip anyway (if you meant it that way, it didn’t read like it). Herramens was an ultimate “Chip Guy”.

    The general idea behind the story is pretty good, but its pretty obvious it’s early June.

    Still love your stuff Tommy!

  194. 194 BlindChow said at 4:40 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I don’t care if Demarco was a Desean personality clone, Chip was gonna take that present when it fell in his lap.

    Are there any examples of Chip bringing in someone with Desean’s or Lesean’s personality? Because it looks to me like all the evidence points the opposite way.

  195. 195 Ark87 said at 4:46 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    the only guy who didn’t fit the mold (violently) is Cary William. At least he didn’t seem like it. No body likes the whiny tough guy who isn’t tough.

  196. 196 Tumtum said at 4:48 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I also use him as an example in my response, but now I just thought of Riley Cooper. He gave him a long term deal.

  197. 197 Ark87 said at 4:57 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Cooper is an ass, but he seems to put his hard hat on and come into work, work hard, do the dirty work and not complain. So I’m not sure he isn’t a Kelly guy. He’s just bad, though.

  198. 198 Tumtum said at 5:04 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He probably is. That is pretty unfortunate.

  199. 199 A_T_G said at 5:23 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    And not bad in a good way, like Fletcher Cox is a bad man, just bad in the regular way.

  200. 200 Ark87 said at 8:15 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I consider this to be the biography of Tebow-Cooper-Hernandez at Florida.

  201. 201 MagsMama said at 7:10 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Agree. I’m not crazy about Cooper, except he has kept his mouth shut and worked.

  202. 202 ACViking said at 7:10 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Cary Williams beat the hell out a 55 year-old side judge.

    That should count for something, right?

  203. 203 MattE said at 11:06 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If it wasn’t Ed Hochuli, not impressed.

  204. 204 Tumtum said at 4:47 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    No there are not… yet. Since we don’t really know all of the aquisitions as of yet. Some of you may consider Cary Williams of that ilk.

    The point is that Demarco fits his running style to a T, lead the league in rushing last year, AND he is a good guy. I think the priorities in signing the player went in that order.

    I admit I could easily be wrong… because every move this off-season had me scratching my head. Just my opinion.

  205. 205 MagsMama said at 7:08 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Jimmy Johnson. Bill Walsh.

  206. 206 Greg Richards said at 5:15 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Murray’s comments were perfect because on the surface they were literally a nice direct response to Randle’s comments that Murray left “meat on the bone”.

    I think Murray may have meant something else beyond the literal though when he said that he hopes Randle can “taste some of that meat”.

  207. 207 A_T_G said at 5:18 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If he intended that as a double entendre, he might pole vault to the top of my favorite players list.

    And, no, pole vault was not a double entendre.

  208. 208 Joe Minx said at 5:20 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    He just didn’t want to say he hoped he would taste some of that Fletcher Cox.

  209. 209 Tdoteaglefan said at 5:51 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    WELL DONE! (sticking with the double entendre theme)

  210. 210 botto said at 5:53 PM on June 1st, 2015:


  211. 211 unhinged said at 5:20 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Modest predictions: 2015 Eagles do not lead the NFL in turning the ball over; Sam Bradford does not start until game 4, and looks solidly adequate, but over the course of the season, shows glimpses of brilliance, making re-signing him more of a no-brainer than a leap in faith; Mark Sanchez will change some folks’ opinions of him – better decisions and fewer turnovers, and Eagles will say goodbye to him just after they re-sign Sam; Matthews and DeMarco both will be rehabbing from injuries incurred this season; Eagles secondary will make a few game-saving plays; Fletcher Cox will be named to the All-Pro team (I said modest); Eagles will beat Arizona at home, and meet them in the playoffs – location TBD.

  212. 212 botto said at 5:54 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I hate arizona

  213. 213 MagsMama said at 7:07 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    No worse than many analysts who get PAID to say the same things. ;~)

  214. 214 botto said at 5:59 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    great quote from Kelly in 08 about running style he needs:

    “We tell the running back to read the first down lineman to the play side. If he expands in the gap, the running back hits the gap. The philosophy of the play is a tough running play. If the line can get up two yards on the defense, the back can, too. We want him to jam the ball into the hole and be a tough runner. We do not want a jingle-footed back trying to hit a home run. We want him to hit the ball into the line and get the tough yards. We are a blue-collar guy going to work. The line will have a hat on the five defenders in the box. The unblocked defenders on the perimeter are following the ballcarrier. If he gets downhill and runs hard, it is hard for them to make the tackle. However, if he jiggles in the hole, they will make the tackle.

    from BGN

  215. 215 anon said at 6:03 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    no one pulled this quote in the 3 years kelly has been here?

  216. 216 botto said at 6:04 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    you have to give these reporters some time, tebow is on the eagles now after all… they can only concentrate on one thing a year.

  217. 217 botto said at 6:05 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    ha! shady is “jingle footed”
    so racist

  218. 218 MagsMama said at 7:05 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Jingle-footed. Bert’sBells should love it!

  219. 219 anon said at 6:34 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    If we don’t have this we need it:

    “In each of the last two years, the Rams have signed all their picks en masse,
    after gathering the rookie class together and giving the players a
    course on financial management. Players are instructed on what the team
    calls “Financial Planning 101,” with information about how to invest and how not to go broke.”

  220. 220 Ark87 said at 7:01 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    A nice interview with Fletcher Cox (refresh).
    I have no doubt this guy is the best Eagle and it’s not even close to me. He’s matured so much on the field and just seeing how comfortable he is with himself. Hope we pay him before he hits the open market, 4-3 teams would back up the brink truck for him. Also in terms of coaching and developing players, Coach Azz is the best coach on the team. period.

  221. 221 GEAGLE said at 7:04 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    It will be between Cox, Lane and Kiko who the best eagle is… Cox is the favorite for sure

  222. 222 Ark87 said at 7:08 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I think Lane will be a much more valuable player for sure by nature of his position, but he has the physical talent to be flat out just as good, he’s just a few years (2?) behind in his development. He definitely has the upside though.

  223. 223 GEAGLE said at 7:17 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Lane, cox and Kiko all have the talent of top 5 players at their position… If you had to find players with talent to rival Luke Keachly, you would probably look to Kiko and Lavonte David, maybe Bobby Wags.. By the end of this season (year 3) Lane will be universally recognized as the beat RT in the NFL, and he has the talent to eventually be towards the top of the LT list.. I guess Kelce should also be recognized as a top 5 player at his positions, Murray too.. Logan led NT in tackles for most of last season. People know he is good, but I don’t think they realize just how good he is, if he isn’t a top 5 NT, it won’t be long till he is… Anchored a top 5 run defense in his second season, led his position in tackles and he isn’t a marcel Dareus type pass rusher yet, but he is a much better pass rusher then the average bear at his position…

    This is a talented roster, young players who are just scratching the surface. cox was dominate last year, this year he will be flat out scary.. hope someone made a 2014 Cox highlight that did his season justice

  224. 224 Ark87 said at 7:24 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    I think JP is still a top 5 LT, to add to the list. But it’s close and I’m not sure he’ll be a top 5 LT this year. Mathis is a top 5 guy at LG probably but his time here is probably coming to an end soon. I could probably list 5 LT/LG’s I want more than said players (age/$), but in terms of the product they put on the field I think they both hang in, barely.

  225. 225 Rambo said at 10:52 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Here you go!

  226. 226 SteveH said at 3:40 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Cox is a monster. Absurd pro bowl snub last year. To think he might get even better.

  227. 227 Rambo said at 8:59 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    I agree! His impact on our D and D-Line is HUGE.

  228. 228 Greg Richards said at 7:45 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Now that they stupidly cut Will Murphy, it’s tough to say. I’d go with G.J. Kinne.

  229. 229 botto said at 7:07 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    wait he’s a super star and he’s black?

  230. 230 Ark87 said at 7:19 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    unfortunately he’s not gotten much recognition. There’s some guy out there by the name of JJ something or other 1 gapping and scoring touchdowns every possible way that makes every other DE in the league, even the 4-3 variety an afterthought.

  231. 231 botto said at 7:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    figures, white guy

  232. 232 A Roy said at 5:36 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Time to give it a rest.

  233. 233 ACViking said at 7:07 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Reid’s parting gift.

    I don’t subscribe to Lurie’s fairytale that Roseman made the final call in 2012.

    My recollection is that back in 2011, Howard Mudd wanted help on the O-line. So in Rd 1, the Eagles chose Watkins and in Rd 6, the Birds chose Kelce — who immediately was compared to former All Pro Colts C Jeff Saturday.

    In 2012, the D-line — coached by Washburn (Reid’s worst decision) — would get re-invigorated.

    Hence, Fletcher Cox and Vinny Curry.

    Washburn absolutely raved about Cox. He wasn’t wrong.

  234. 234 Ark87 said at 7:11 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Well to be precise, Washburn said God made Fletcher Cox to play in the wide 9. Turns out the dude was just made to play football. So give Washburn partial credit.

  235. 235 ACViking said at 7:14 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    In Washburn’s cockamamie scheme, FCox would be posting big-time sack numbers.

    Nate Allen, on the other hand, wouldn’t be in Oakland. He’d be in Bedlam.

  236. 236 A Roy said at 5:35 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    I seem to recall Tommy’s pre-draft article was titled “Bring me the head of Fletcher Cox.”

  237. 237 GEAGLE said at 7:21 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Funny how Bruce Arians is now talking about how fast they can play this year and how this year it’s all going to be about the fast tempo… Wasn’t he just talking that “college coach” shit like a year ago? can’t wait to smash them! Hope they keep showing up on our schedule..

    Eric Weddle and the Chargers agree to part ways after this season..
    Curious to see how much a 30yr old safety can get on the open market

  238. 238 botto said at 7:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    god I hate arians, what a poser

  239. 239 Media Mike said at 7:37 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    Not as much as Weddle thinks. He’s out of position a ton in pass coverage to get himself toasted while often whiffing on hero style tackling attempts.

    He’s the Sehorn of safeties. People overrate him, badly. The two most recent players to whom his career compares on pro football reference are Roy Williams and Quintin Mikell; hardly top notch company.

  240. 240 TypicalDouche said at 9:21 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    The Sehorn of safeties? Comparable to Roy Williams and Quintin Mikell? You couldn’t be more wrong in your assessment. He might overrate himself at this point of his career but in no way has he been overrated throughout his career. He is not constantly out of position in pass coverage, you say that why because his ints dipped this year? Go back and watch some tape because your post was borderline horrible.

  241. 241 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:09 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    He’s white, get it?

  242. 242 Media Mike said at 4:56 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    I’d suggest reading the link. Pro football reference compares him to Roy Williams and Quintin Mikell over his career. I’ve seen a ton of Chargers games, Weddle is running 100 miles an hour to the wrong spot.

  243. 243 Ark87 said at 9:30 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    You guys they made my autobiography into a video game!

  244. 244 Michael Winter Cho said at 12:08 AM on June 2nd, 2015:

    Hm, always pictured you as a guy, not a hot chick on an allosaurus… oh, wait, is that you with the bow?

  245. 245 daveH said at 9:49 PM on June 1st, 2015:

    vick and shady but which ex-ex-ex Eagle is in the green jersey, DeSean ??

  246. 246 anon said at 10:55 PM on June 1st, 2015: