Minicamp Begins

Posted: June 16th, 2015 | Author: | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 309 Comments »

The OTAs are voluntary. Today, manadatory minicamp begins. With Evan Mathis gone, there are no more overly dramatic situations to obsess on. As far as I know, everyone will be there.

Chip Kelly will speak at 11am.

* How much will Sam Bradford do? His workload increased from Week 1 to Week 2. Will he do even more this week or will the Eagles keep it slow and steady?

* Who will line up at RG? Matt Tobin might be the front-runner, but Andrew Gardner and Dennis Kelly are very much in the mix.

* Are we going to get to see Marcus Smith as a full go? The 2nd year LB needs to get going. The Eagles have an opening at the #3 OLB spot. Smith can win that job, but it won’t be given to him.

* Will Jaylen Watkins continue to play CB? With Earl Wolff missing time at S, I’m surprised Watkins isn’t working there.

There are a ton of other questions I’ve got, but these are the key ones. Let’s hope everyone shows up and stays healthy.

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Your NSFW La’el Collins headline of the day.

Go read that if you want. Pass on it if you don’t. Combine that with the pic below and I’m starting to understand why the Eagles weren’t all that interested in Collins.

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309 Comments on “Minicamp Begins”

  1. 1 Ben Hert said at 8:32 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tlaw,

    First-time, long-time. How much of a threat do you think Tim Tebow is to Sam Bradford in securing the #1 QB spot? Tebow clearly has a winning pedigree, and has made deeper playoff runs than any of the QB’s on roster. Forget about sports science and smoothies, Tebow knows how to win. When will Kelly embrace one of the most successful college spread QB’s for his college spread offense, and give him the top spot?

    Thanks, I’ll take my answer off-the-air.

  2. 2 GEAGLE said at 9:49 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    No offense, but is this a serious question? How much of a threat is TEBOW to SAM Bradford? Last year did you think GJ Kinney was a threat to Foles?
    ..
    TEBOW replaced GJ Kinney, I doubt Barkley views TEBOW as a threat, let alone Bradford….Mark Sanchez would smoke TEBOW like a “Dutchmaster”

  3. 3 CrackSammich said at 10:32 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    He’s speechless! It finally happened!

  4. 4 Buge Halls said at 10:21 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I just…I can’t…

  5. 5 Avery Greene said at 10:40 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/45/45dadbd9551fa0faa1b84d1023b0b038279608fd1274725f104df76ddd7ce5e7.jpg

  6. 6 GEAGLE said at 10:53 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Everyone knows Bradford and Sanchez are really just smoke screens for the Great football,Demi God, Timmy Tebow… Chip is clearly fooling the world into thinking it’s Sanchez vs. Bradford, but on Gameday, he will shock the world and start The “great” TEBOW to open the season in Atlanta..
    ..
    Actually, Chip loves TEBOW so much, that TEBOW will be the ONLY QB chip dresses on Gameday,, So confident in Tims “great” talent, that bradford and Sanchez won’t even be allowed to dress on Gameday…
    ..
    Are you hype for the TEBOW era? I’m so excited!!! I waited my entire life to start a Runningback at QB!!! This is awesome!! With a RB at QB, no one can stop us now!!!! Super Bowl 50, here comes TEBOW and the Eagles!!!

  7. 7 PerfectTrader777 said at 10:56 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tim Tebow is the new Tim Tebow

  8. 8 wee2424 said at 5:00 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    He is no threat because Tebow is half the QB Bradford is and yes even Sanchez. You want to say he should be inserted because he knows how to win. I guess you think Sanchez should be the starter then because he has had FAR more playoff success then Tebow and Bradford. Just really bad logic. If anything i would say D. Thomas won that playoff game for them. All Tebow did during that play was throw the ball about 15 yards to a nearly wide open WR. Its Thomas that beat the coverage, caught the ball and out ran all the defenders. Lets be realistic and give credit to where its truly due. During the large majority of that game Tebow was not good.

    Funny thing is that during these OTAs players should look good. Tebow hasnt even managed to look good at basic things durring these OTAs. Why would Chip give him the nod over the other QBs if he doesnt look good?

  9. 9 Corry said at 8:39 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    La’el Collins? More like LOL Collins.

  10. 10 RobNE said at 8:42 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    is this minicamp open to the press? all the days, or just some?

  11. 11 anon said at 10:12 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    all days open i believe.

  12. 12 Avery Greene said at 10:20 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I thought it was only one (today), but still Googling to find a correct answer.

  13. 13 Avery Greene said at 10:35 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Found it and you were correct, all 3 are open to the media.

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/6/16/8788563/philadelphia-eagles-minicamp-live-practice-updates-chip-kelly-june-16-2015

  14. 14 GEAGLE said at 10:55 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Press Confernce will air on CSN at 11:00am…5min

  15. 15 BC1968 said at 8:44 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Ill never forget the classic Throatzilla vs King Dong

  16. 16 Mark Saltveit said at 3:52 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    Wasn’t it Long Dong Silver?

  17. 17 Media Mike said at 8:53 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I hope all of the guys get the learning done they need to during these early weeks, but the real evaluation fun can begin once we’re into camp proper and pre-season games. There are the players / situations that need to be in proper working order by the time we’re ready to stomp Atlanta on Monday night.

    1) LG/RG – hopefully two people decide to step up and provide some 16 game quality play.
    2) Brandon Graham – can he turn starter’s snaps into a 12 sack season?
    3) Safety other than Malcolm Jenkins – can somebody please be useful
    4) CB other than Maxwell – can somebody please be useful
    5) Earl Wolff – is this a manhood check as Kelly stated or a health check as Wolff stated
    6) Marcus Smith – time to start justifying the draft position
    7) Sam Bradford – I need to see a full starter’s set of snaps in live preseason action in the first 3 games and a low turnover year overall

  18. 18 Avery Greene said at 9:06 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Uhhh 19 game quality play. We need them to play through the Superbowl.

  19. 19 Media Mike said at 9:21 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’m looking at 18 this year. Win division with 11-ish wins. Win home wild card game over Arizona by 235 points. Lose close road playoff game at Green Bay.

  20. 20 Avery Greene said at 9:24 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Realistically, that is a goal to shoot for. First playoff win against a despicable coach – then succumbing to the greatest QB in the league.

    Though I’d really like to see them get to the NFC Championship game against GB. Beat AZ and Seattle on our way there.

  21. 21 GEAGLE said at 11:06 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Anything less than a playoff birth is a failure… It’s year 3, you get no passes because you decided to blow the team up on year 3, should have done it as soon as you got here…. 10-6 last year during a mess of a situation.. Take the last 4 games out of the equation, and that may have been one of the most impressive coaching jobs I ever seen… Looking back to last years dysfunctional injury mess, it’s amazing we even finished 10-6. Should have easily been 11-5 which would have been insane to win 11 games when we were so dysfunctional that we had to ask Sanchez to attempt over 50 passes in a game
    ..
    if our health is closer to 2013 then 2014, no reason why we shouldn’t strive for the playoffs this year. I absolutely believe we have a roster to make the playoffs with Samchez or Bradford starting 16 games…. if Bradford plays 16 games and leads us to the playoffs (assuming decent health) Im looking to see SAM get us our first playoff win in years. if Sanchez plays 16 games, I’m looking to see him get us into the playoffs..
    ..
    Assuming close to 2013 health, I’m expecting:
    1 playoff win with Sam
    Playoff birth with sanchez

  22. 22 Media Mike said at 12:13 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I don’t see anybody beating Seattle this year.

  23. 23 RobNE said at 9:32 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    what, is half our team hurt for the Cards game? Chip lets up in the 2nd half? why so close?

  24. 24 Buge Halls said at 10:22 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Resting for the next game!

  25. 25 ian_no_2 said at 8:53 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    iggles share the division with the NY Midgets, the Washington Skinheads and the Dallas Cowgirl Batterers. I started out with Cowgirl Beaters but many Cowgirl Batterers fans don’t know that verbs like beat have multiple meanings, and they sometimes beat other teams at home. I’m not making light of a social problem, The Dallas Cowgirl Batterers, plural, is a legal and documented fact which they should have to be accountable to.

    Collins picked Dallas cuz there’s plenty of football fans there who will punk him for an IOU after his fourth year contract, see if they collect. Ted Wells will spend the summer putting in hours pondering whether it’s legal for Jerry Jones to pay off Throatzilla, until Bob Woodward reveals Throatzilla’s true identity. Dez will hold out til his weekly visit from his loan shark.

  26. 26 Gary Barnes said at 9:04 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Get their work in and stay healthy are the keys…

  27. 27 Avery Greene said at 9:06 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    We should not be surprised about Collins being with Jones. Just remember this and all will become clear:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VmilSWqh3I

  28. 28 Dominik said at 9:07 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    The Eagles have an opening at the #3 OLB spot. Smith can win that job, but it won’t be given to him.

    Well, if we’re being honest to ourselves, there is only Long as an alternative to MSII as OLB #3. Would be a huge surprise if Braman finally learns how to play Defense.

    MSII seems to be a high character kid, so let’s not assume he won’t give everything he has to improve. But it’s not like OLB is stacked like MLB or CB is.

  29. 29 GEAGLE said at 9:45 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Think kelly likes MS2 more then he has made it seem. CHip used MS2 not being ready last year as firepower in his power struggle against Howie
    ..
    OLB is the most important position on our defense, just like DE is the most valued position in a 4-3… Braman and Maragos ARENT really defenders,they are just key ST players like Dorenbos, Parkey and Donnie… the fact that MS2 and Long have little to no competition for the backüp spots at such a crucial position when chip has stressed depth at every other position leaves me to believe chip has more faith in MS2 then he publically has let on..
    ..
    MSdueace claims that he plans on filling the role Brandon Graham played last year, which puts him on the field for like 30% of the snaps. This city has been hard on MS2, doubt he would make those statements if he didn’t think he was progressing enough to fill that role….if Long can stay Healthy. I assume both Long and MS2 will get some pass rushing opportunities…
    ..
    the #3 OLB is an important position, if MS2 wins that spot, it will be a big step for him growing into a player that will eventually make a lot of people look foolish…

    The ONLY thing that concerns me is Special Teams. I hear Long has been “Bringing it” on ST. He is a lock to make the roster as long as he stays healthy. WIsh a reporter would ask Chip about his thoughts on MS2 in terms of Special Teams..

  30. 30 Dominik said at 10:01 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Well, Kelly did have a lot of pre drafts visits for OLB. And also with players who had 1st or 2nd round grades. I remember I had a conversation pre draft about that with you. I was scared he would invest another 1st rounder for an OLB, showing (imo) no faith in MSII.

    It COULD be a case of the draft not falling the way so we can grab a OLB, like it was with the OL. Or it COULD be the case of Kelly having faith in MSII and Long to handle 30-40 percent of the snaps together. It could really be both ways. We’ll see how much progress MSII made when camp arrives.

  31. 31 Avery Greene said at 10:02 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Also could be due diligence. Maybe if one of the better players fell in Rd 4 or later, they would have picked them.

  32. 32 PerfectTrader777 said at 10:12 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I wish Owamagbe Odighizuwa had fallen to the late 3rd rd. I’m surprised he wasn’t taken in the 1st rd though, let alone the 2nd

  33. 33 GEAGLE said at 10:22 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I like the kid too, but I don’t love his Hip issues…
    ..
    The ONLY thng with us draftng That kid, is im not sure we would have went with the Obvious move playing him at OLB… Had we drafted him, I could see us doing what we did with Vinny Curry, moving him into an interior pass rusher role instead of playing him at OLB which we would typically do with 4-3’DE’s

  34. 34 GEAGLE said at 10:17 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yes sir…. But if we were going to draft an OLB this year, passing on Bud Dupree and Shane Ray tells me that there was no chance we would have drafted an OLB before round 3,… Rowe was strongly consider by us in round 1.. When he fell to trade up range for us in round 2, I think he was a no BRAINER… Agholor was drafted ahead of Ray and Dupree, two guys people projected as top 15 players…
    ..
    So the soonest we would have drafted an OLB would have been round 3…. OLB and OL are two of the most important positions. if we didn’t aggressively address these two spots when we put so much emphasis on depth at a lot of other positions, to me says, that coaches think we have backups At those positions who we expect to grow enough to produce for us.

    Those positions are so Important that if Chip Wasnt confident in his backups, I have to think we would have aggressively tried to upgrade those positions…

    But we’ll see….. What I don’t know is WTF is going to happen if Travis Long gets hurt again this summer?

  35. 35 Avery Greene said at 10:18 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Get cut?

  36. 36 Dominik said at 11:11 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    You’re right Re: coaches think the back-ups are good. Thing is, coaches told the media last year they were excited about the OL back-ups and it didn’t end really well for us.

    The coaches see them all day and they are paid experts who know more about football than you or me. But with unproven players, it’s always a projection. A little bit like the draft. Until you see them compete on Sundays, against the best of the best, you simply cannot know for sure.

    If our OL sucks it won’t be because Kelly wasn’t confident in the replacement, it will be because he didn’t evaluate und projected the players abilities correctly.

  37. 37 Ben said at 1:27 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I hope to see Travis Long not only overcome his injury but to play his way into a starting rotation at worst.

  38. 38 Weapon Y said at 9:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    As of now, Long has shown more in actual game (albeit preseason) than Smith has. That said, it appears the Eagles are giving Smith every chance to be the third man. He’s getting lots of first team reps. I liked (but didn’t love) Smith’s college tape and wont give up on him. He could make big strides this year.

  39. 39 Dominik said at 9:09 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Re: Collins, Cowboys

    It’s the first time we can have fun with it. Don’t think there will be many other funny times, especially not on Sundays.

  40. 40 GEAGLE said at 9:52 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Fletcher Cox says Sundays against Collins will also be fun…

  41. 41 P_P_K said at 11:56 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I like Fletcher more every day.

  42. 42 GEAGLE said at 2:05 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Kids going to have a monster year..

  43. 43 GEAGLE said at 9:36 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think it’s no secret that they are increasing Bradfords workload a little each week.. Bradford is probably further along then they make it seem, my understanding is this slow,gradual approach of increasing his workload a little each week is just an extreme precaution and he is much closer to being fully healthy then the impression the Eagles give us. He rushed back quickily from the last ACL and got hurt. This time they are taking it super slow and put together a blueprint for easing his way back into being a full practice participant..
    ..
    I’d bet Bradford is much further along in his recovery then the impression we get from the Eagles contnuing to hold him back, increasing his workload a little with each week

  44. 44 Jernst said at 4:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    If the Super Bowl was next week Sam Bradford could conceivably play. ACLs take about 9months till athletes can come back and play. And he’s about 10months out. But he came back fast last time and it snapped. Smartest thing to do is let him take it slow till training camp.

  45. 45 Avery Greene said at 9:45 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    One quick moment to digress. Congrats Kimmo Timmonen. You may now go back to your regular football talk.

  46. 46 Rambler said at 10:22 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah really happy for him. Such a class act and great player for so many years. I did not watch any of the playoffs at all, so did he even play?

  47. 47 Avery Greene said at 10:26 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    A bit. He was really a 3rd pairing Dman that was there to give breaks to the top 4. Didn’t get much time at the beginning of the series, and averaged a little more time (15 min?) in the last few games.

  48. 48 Media Mike said at 1:54 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    He played in more games than he didn’t And he’ll be earning the Flyers two 2nd rounders as a result.

  49. 49 Anders said at 1:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    That Hextall somehow got 1st, 2x 2nds and 3rd for Coburn and Kimmo is great

  50. 50 Media Mike said at 2:33 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Great return thus far. Totally a shame that slime ball Detroit choked a 3-2 series lead vs. Tampa because it cost us about 8 spots in the first round.

    Now if Hexy can get Grossmann, Vinny, and one other bad contract moved; I’ll be pumped.

    We need some cap space and some roster spots for this young talent to start learning on the job in the NHL.

    I don’t mind missing the playoffs again, but I need to see the kids out there – not dead end stiffs.

  51. 51 Media Mike said at 1:53 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    So happy to see a guy who plays the game the right way win a Cup. Watching loser alcoholics Richards and Carter hoist two for the Kings was f-ing vile. Hopefully Chris Pronger gets the opportunity to own Richards in front of a room full of people again some time where it can actually be recorded.

    The other bonus to a pure class act like Kimmo winning the cup is that human fecal matter Carle and Coburn didn’t win one.

  52. 52 Avery Greene said at 1:54 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Kimmo said he was talking to Hextall about getting a job in the organization. I hope he does.

  53. 53 Media Mike said at 1:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    That would awesome. He’s settled his family in the area and is a really visible presence in his kids’ school. Consummate pro and a true representative of what it means to be a Philadelphian.

  54. 54 PerfectTrader777 said at 9:56 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    That pic is great. Sam Montgomery and Spencer Ware are both already on other teams.

  55. 55 GEAGLE said at 9:57 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Who posted that sign in the pic? LSU head coach?

  56. 56 anon said at 10:09 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    i think the strength and conditioning guy. That photo made a lot of rounds at draft time. From his LSU bio (he’s got more pancakes than i-hop):

    CAREER
    One of the top offensive linemen in school history … Capped career by earning the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the top offensive lineman in the SEC as voted on by the league’s coaches … Three-year starter on offensive line for the Tigers … Started at left guard as a sophomore and then moved to left tackle as a junior and senior … Played in 45 games with 38 starts during his career … Saw action on a total of 2,533 offensive snaps with 222.5 knockdowns …

    SENIOR SEASON (2014)
    Started all 13 games at left tackle for the Tigers … Led team in both offensive snaps (843) and knockdowns (88) … Earned second team All-America honors from USA Today and the Associated Press … First-team All-SEC by the SEC Coaches and the AP … Named the recipient of the prestigious Jacobs Blocking Trophy, which is presented annually to the top offensive lineman in the SEC as voted on by the league’s coaches … Becomes just the sixth LSU player to win the honor and the first since Ciron Black got the award in 2009

  57. 57 Avery Greene said at 10:17 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think the Eagles did their due diligence on Collins and we’re seeing why he wasn’t on our board.

    – this pic says a lot
    – said he didn’t want to play in cold weather
    – forgets to pay people #snicker

    I think his profile had red flags and the Eagles wanted no parts of that.

  58. 58 GEAGLE said at 10:24 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Thank you…
    ..
    LOL @ THarold Simon not only getting arrested two days before the draft, but to make matters worse, he hit the arresting officer with the “Don’t you know who I am?”.,.

  59. 59 anon said at 10:26 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    yeah that was terrible. but i’m sure collins learned a powerful lesson about social media.

  60. 60 PerfectTrader777 said at 10:17 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    There’s a ton of guys around the league getting cut right before camp. I’m not sure the motivation behind the timing. Re: Mathis

  61. 61 GEAGLE said at 10:40 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    It is curious… Took me by surprise, I figured that if we let it drag on this long, we were going to hold him into August in case we can get value when a starting Guard gets hurt in camp….It really made no sense why we would hold onto Mathis into June, and cut him right before OUR LEVERAGE kicked in and he was forced to report today..really don’t understand the timing of it all.l
    ..
    Best I can come up with is we really wanted to make room for the next era of Eagle Guards, which would be easier to do without Mathis being at practice..
    ..
    Really don’t know how else to explain the timing of the release.
    ..
    OL is practically impossible to evaluate without putting the pads on. So I don’t see how it could be a case of the backup guards really impressing chip so much these past few,weeks that made us want to get rid of Mathis… I think Chip was impressed with Babre, Tobin and Gadner before the OTA’s,ever started, so I struggle to understand the timing of how we handled the Mathis situaion,,
    ..
    Only way it makes any sense to me is if we were negotiating a trade with other teams behind the scenes and when the trade broke down we decided to waive him. But I find that very hard to believe…. mathis contract alone made him hard to trade,mthe fact that he wasn’t even happy with his hard to trade contract and wanted more money, made him untradeable….

    I have to think the decision to keep Mathis off the 2015 Eagles roster was made a while ago..If it was a very recent decision, I imagine we would have waited to see how he went about his business during this weeks mandatory mini camp..

    Doubt we will ever find out the truth

  62. 62 Avery Greene said at 10:26 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    The NFLPA saw no wrongdoing on the Eagles' part in releasing Evan Mathis. Seen as a contractual issue. They've been cleared.— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) June 16, 2015

  63. 63 PerfectTrader777 said at 10:27 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    b00m

  64. 64 GEAGLE said at 10:44 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Easy decision. ..it was known That we were in a two year contract dispute with Mathis, so there is no way anyone could claims that this only happened because,he didn’t report to team activities that arent manatory.. Heck Chip probably decided Mathis wouldn’t be on our team this year before OTA’s even starterd…. Clear contract dispute that can’t soley be blamed on voluntary OTA’s

  65. 65 laeagle said at 10:59 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’m not going to judge Collins for his “proclivities”, but failing to pay a vendor for services rendered? That’s just poor character.

  66. 66 PerfectTrader777 said at 11:00 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    story is pretty easily fabricated though…

  67. 67 laeagle said at 11:04 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Why am I the one you decided to say this to?

  68. 68 PerfectTrader777 said at 11:12 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Didn’t read anyone else’s post about it. I hope it’s true though. Screw that guy

  69. 69 Avery Greene said at 11:08 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    She does have a picture in Jerrah’s house. Doesn’t look good though.

  70. 70 peteike said at 11:11 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    why bother though to make something like that up about some random player.

  71. 71 Weapon Y said at 10:01 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Agreed. That’s the only part of the story I have a problem with.

  72. 72 b3nz0z said at 11:06 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    throatzilla 4 lyfe

  73. 73 GEAGLE said at 11:07 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    “On numerous occasions Mathis agent asked for his release, so we gave him what they asked for many times since free agency started”-chip kelly

  74. 74 anon said at 11:08 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    ouch. Chances looking slim Mathis gets some sort of big $$ deal. I guess their going to try to hold some team hostage at the end of FA. I would have thought that Drew would have had a better deal already lined up, or some indication that a team would pay more. It seems like based on Drew’s comments that’s not the case.

  75. 75 Jernst said at 4:29 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Drew would love for the deal to be huge, but really he just needs Mathis to sign any new deal to make money. If Mathis maxed out his earnings by playing out his Eagles contract Drew gets nothing more from him. If Mathis gets cut and is forced to sign for half as much with another team Drew makes thousands of dollars.

  76. 76 Avery Greene said at 11:08 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    CK: Evan Mathis’s agent repeatedly asked for a release.

  77. 77 EagleNebula said at 11:11 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    And for the timing of it: https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/610816051530608640

  78. 78 anon said at 11:12 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    “Some teams” who else of any significance got cut? Saw shonn greene got cut.

  79. 79 EagleNebula said at 11:24 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    The comment was in response to the Titans releasing safety Shonn Greene. In terms of significant – hard to say since 1) I don’t follow every team and 2) it depends on what you consider significant in the context of NFL cuts. Yes he was a probowler, but one that publically wanted to be traded/asked to be cut.

  80. 80 Richaud Jeaffreson said at 6:19 AM on June 18th, 2015:

    Shonn Greene plays RB.

  81. 81 GEAGLE said at 11:15 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    “Think allen Barbre is An outstanding player, who got hurt, but every time he had to play for us he played well, and we will see about the other guys”-chip
    ..
    “yes we think we are as athletic at Guard as we were last year, we really do”-Chip..
    ..
    Sounds like Barbre is locked in at Left Guard, and Tobin,Gardner, Kelly and Graf are competing for RG..
    ..
    chip does Not agree with what Tra Thomas said about Mathis and Peters not being a fit. Didn’t see it that way at all…. Timing for Mathis release was it was clear we weren’t moving forward and we wanted to give him a chance to catch on with a team befor mini camp.

  82. 82 GEAGLE said at 11:17 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Willl Bradford be ready for 11 on 11 in training camp?
    “God we hope so”-chip…made it sound like THATS what we are counting on and expecting

  83. 83 GEAGLE said at 11:22 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    asked about Cary’s comments
    ..
    chip said he talked to players and found that it was a minority opinion.. malcolm Jenkins told chip he felt better then at any point he ever felt at the end of the year, and this was the most snaps Malcolm has ever played. “cary was a minority opinion, I have to do what’s BEst for the majority”
    ..
    A follow up question was does chip think players are comfortable enough to speak up to him if they aren’t feeling good,…Interesting answer: Chip has his players fill out a questionair every day about how they are feeling…sounds Like he is always trying to guage how the team feels…

  84. 84 James said at 11:24 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    First time I heard of the questionnaire being used. This organization goes deep…like Throatzilla.

  85. 85 peteike said at 11:51 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    ha, its just too bad feeling good and healthy at the end of a season cant make up for Billy D still being a horrible coord. If he doesnt improve overall team D significantly this season, hes gotta go.

  86. 86 GEAGLE said at 12:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Billy Davis is a much better coach then this city seems to think. Crazy to blame him for a crappy DB coach, Bradley Fletcher, and Nate Allen… Not To mention, we aren’t even running Billy Davis defense. In Reality we are running the Chip Kelly/Azzinaro/Oregon defense, which is very different then the 4-3under defense that Billy Davis believes in… not to mention, Chip Kelly approves and Checks his defensibe gameplan before every game, and Chip is the head coach, at any point in the game, chip could scream into his headset “Get Bradley off the damn field NOW”
    ..
    Laughable to rip Billy because of Bradley, nate and Cary, when he has done a superb job withthe likes of
    Cox
    thornton
    logan
    Barwin elevated his game to a new level since he has been with Billy
    brandon Graham is no longer a bust
    VINNY Curry gets double diget sacks playing 30% of the the time
    Kemdricks constantly has improved
    boykin has growin in the best Nickel in the game..
    Beau Allen contributing as a rookie
    put Jenkins in position to be the best free agent safety from last year when Ward and BYRD cost much more..
    ..
    this man has done a FANTASTIC job in two years with the Personel he was given, growing our players,and transitioning many of them into a defensive scheme they never played in…. its DISGUSTING to read fans bad mouth Billy, when we will EASILY a prove to be the best DC this city has seen since the legendary Jim Johnson…. Any time we gave Billy Talentl he has almost always got them to produce… I would bet ANYTHING that Chip would think you were out of your mind if he saw you talk like that about Billy, when on Numerous occasions Billy and Fipp saved his offenses ass…
    ..
    It’s really CRAZY to rip Billy, when Chip admitted this pffseason that our roster Wasnt built correctly. He had to redistribute assets because we had too much invested on the offense these past two years, and not enough invested on the defense, and this Offseasons actions backed that up
    ,,
    Disgusted to see Billy not get the respect he deserves..
    ..
    don’t worry, by the end of this seasn it will be evident that the Eagles have a top 10 defense, amd this time next year, we will go into the 2016 season universally considered a top 10 defense…

  87. 87 peteike said at 12:21 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    ha I knew this was coming. He can get the credit when he earns it. Every team needs horses so thats not anything new for a coord to come into bad teams and work their way up. Lets hope it goes up is all Im saying, Ill believe it when I see it. Some of the numbers looked great to with a few tweaks and better drafts and FAs we can hope.

  88. 88 GEAGLE said at 12:56 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Lol you know it!!! Don’t bad mouth MY DEFENSE!! You know how many years I had to wait to finally have a defense worthy of playing in this city? It’s been too long since we had a defense we could be proud of… the Time is finally here, kick your feet up and enjoy the dogs Billy Davis is going to unleash on opposing offenses this year 😉

  89. 89 anon said at 11:33 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    so interesting, if one player complains he still has to work? you’d think it’d be more bespoke training

  90. 90 OregonDucker said at 11:34 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Sports Science also gives Chip a read on each players condition metrics. Things like high lactic acid levels, poor oxygenation, low glycogen, etc. He knows how each player is doing.

  91. 91 GEAGLE said at 11:42 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah, that’s what the sleep monitors and all the gadgets are for.. Every day we collect data from players body, so Hulls can have a read on where they are at compared to their optimal performance levels, so we know when to hold a player back, when to push a guy…also helps detect and project future performance so we can know when an older player is starting to slow down helping us project if we can count on a guy like Jason Peters for a year or two, or if we expect age to kick in and a player breaking down so we know to release a guy like Herremans..
    ..
    Considering how much emphasis chip puts in recovery, (don’t think I ever even heard Andy use that word in 11 seasons), and how we measure our players body every day, and have players answer questionnaires every day because we care THAT MUCH about how players bodies feel, Cary sounds ridiculuos, especially when so many really highly respected veterans have gone out of their way to rave about how great they felt in late December…

  92. 92 PerfectTrader777 said at 11:43 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    You got any inside info from the Ducks from when Chip was there? I’m a former Eugenian as well.

  93. 93 OregonDucker said at 11:53 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’m still in Eugene. I know Phil Knight’s team gave Chip some pointers on where to learn about trends in Sports Science. I believe he really investigated the work being done at an Australian soccer team.

    He also had connections with the Navy Seals, a team he always admired. (As you know Shaun Huls comes from the NS.) We’ve got one hellava Sports Science team.

  94. 94 PerfectTrader777 said at 11:56 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah. My dad did the locks in the lockerooms at Autzen (he’s a locksmith). He met Chip Kelly briefly and was impressed with Chip being genuine to a regular old guy like him :).

  95. 95 OregonDucker said at 12:00 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’ve known a few geniuses, in the scientific arena, and each one was a jerk. It’s very rare to find one who is personable and real. Chip is a rare bird.

    I’m glad your dad met him.

  96. 96 GEAGLE said at 12:12 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Was Hulls officially on his staff at Oregon, or just sort of an advisor?

  97. 97 OregonDucker said at 12:21 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    At Oregon, Chip used Navy Seal training in 2011, which he called “Judgement Day”. But I think Huls was still training Navy Seals at the time as a strength and conditioning trainer.

  98. 98 GEAGLE said at 12:53 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Nice… Smart man to pry Hulls away and make the leap to the NFL with him. wonder what info they exchange with the Sixers who are also focusing on cutting edge sports science with emphasis on something you hear them all talk about Is “Career best fitness”
    ..
    Wish Hulls would build a relationship, compare and contrast notes with the Training staff of the Pheonix Suns. They have done a fantastic job with the bodies of players who were injury messes before they got to Pheonix.. The work of the Suns training staff, aLways stuck out, and like our staff, you would hear prominent oldr veterans like Shaq and Grant Hill rave about the Suns trainers..

  99. 99 GEAGLE said at 11:53 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Im sure some stuff has been carried over from Oregon.. But everything chip stands for is to not be set in his ways and always try and stay up to date with the new cutting edge sports science..
    ..
    this man is constantly evolving as he gets new information. some stuff will carry over and stand the test of time, but a lot of what he did at Oregon im sure was changed by the time he became our head coach in 2013 and because this is a coach who preaches “growth mindset” I assume a lot of what chip did in 2013 as our coach, willl be replaced(upgraded) with new methods and technologies by the time he is coaching the 2017 Eagles..

    Once we have players who have been with Chip here for 5-6 seasons, be really interesting to hear what they have to say about what’s different in 2017 from what they were doing in 2013, since their leader is all about Growth mindset..
    ..
    Huls, the our sports science Mastermind is basically being paid to stay ahead of the curve and always be up to date with the new advances in sports science..
    ..
    But of course their will also be things we do that chip brought from Oregon.. For Example, last year Huff revealed that at Oregon, Thursday’s was when they would take hydration tests. But in Philly players are given hydration tests every day…we won’t get too many in depth answers while chip is coach…but I really hope that when the chip kelly era ends, someone can really provide us with a in depth. Behind the curtain look at the chip kelly era in Philly…book would be an instant best seller..

  100. 100 GEAGLE said at 11:56 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    If chip doesn’t make the playoffs this year, he is eligible to be one of the teams the NFL can force into doing Hard Knocks next year. Which would be glorious for us, but a nightmare for Chip..
    ..
    Lol Hulls has been an Important part of this organization for 3 years, and I don’t have the slightest clue what he looks like, or what his voice sounds like, and Goodell may try and force Cameras into a novacare?

  101. 101 Ben said at 11:07 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I read up on Shaun last season and he is impressive to say the least.
    Since you don’t know what he looks like, here’s his BIO page at pe.com
    http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches/shaun-huls/bd2eb7e4-47ce-48a8-b13c-72f90ec57894

  102. 102 Ben said at 11:12 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Here is the first article I read about Shaun Huls when Kelly was hired as HC. Pretty interesting.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2013/02/08/philadelphia-eagles-chip-kelly-sports-science-coordinator/1902781/

  103. 103 Avery Greene said at 11:24 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Interesting news from baseball. Since I love this side of the tech world (and work in it), this is just cray cray news.

    St. Louis Cardinals Investigated by F.B.I. for Hacking Astros http://t.co/0XiaIKsJq2— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) June 16, 2015

  104. 104 James said at 11:25 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Wow, that is super cray cray. That goes beyond BB level of cheating.

  105. 105 Bert's Bells said at 11:33 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    It’s not just bending or breaking the rules of the league -it’s outright criminal. I can’t think of a time when a club has engaged in illegal activity like that.

  106. 106 Ben Hert said at 12:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Its more serious, legally, but you certainly don’t gain anywhere near as much competitive advantage as both of the BB scandals. Super dumb move, regardless.

  107. 107 Fufina said at 11:29 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. If there is enough evidence i wonder what kind of punishments get handed down, since the crime is pretty much unprecedented.

    I don’t follow the MLB like football so i have no idea how the league would look at this – i would imagine they get hit really hard – like years of lost draft picks, but not sure what happens.

  108. 108 Avery Greene said at 11:32 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    It’s not just that. There’s Federal laws that have been broken here, and there could be some serious jail time coming for some of these guys. The Feds do not play games with computer stuff. @ACViking might have some more info from the legal side, but I’m more interested in the technical side. What tipped the FBI (or Astros) off? Will there be more teams investigated for stuff like this?

    We definitely live in a new age.

  109. 109 Bert's Bells said at 11:35 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yup, I was thinking the same thing.

    Stealing signs is one thing, stealing information through wiretapping is a federal crime. MLB can’t keep that in-house.

  110. 110 Fufina said at 11:37 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Reading the article, the Astro’s IT guys found some breaches – asked FBI to investigate- tracked down some of the access to homes of Cards front office guys and are investigating from there.

    With so much of these kinds of things it would not surprise me if it was really stupid stuff – like an ex-employee not getting his access removed. But yeah is a federal crime and this will get the full criminal investigation. Will be interesting to see what MLB does as punishment.

  111. 111 Avery Greene said at 11:43 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Finally gearing up to read this thing. I had to pass it on to the tech team here, because this is just crazy news.

  112. 112 Bert's Bells said at 11:55 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    We can be sure that the Phillies aren’t involved in any “nerd” stuff like this. They keep all of the AVG and W-L stats on index cards hidden behind an oil painting of Paul Owens.

  113. 113 James said at 11:59 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    NERDS!

  114. 114 GEAGLE said at 12:46 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Makes me think of silcon valley…. Those are some funny friggin dorks..

  115. 115 Avery Greene said at 12:37 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think the Houston Astros are a good example of what we see in the security world. Basic password policy would have prevented this. Many companies are slow to adopt security measures because they worry too much about the money and not enough about the damage.

  116. 116 peteike said at 11:48 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    and the funniest part, its the all mighty cards stealing from the lowly Astros. Sure the astros are finally getting it together but still

  117. 117 Fufina said at 11:52 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Well best place to find good talent is on bad teams – they have the draft picks and are bad at building their roster so you can try to pick guys off.

  118. 118 peteike said at 11:58 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    true. Ohhhhhh so this is how the Cards have stayed on top of getting quality young talent for so many years. Puts quite the dent in their reputation of being such a solid team from top to bottom. First the Patriots, now the Cards. Teams at the top of the heap for too long, cheating to stay there. Philly teams need to learn how to cheat better, time to get with the program

  119. 119 CrackSammich said at 2:19 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    The way Amaro works, he probably is cheating and can’t figure out how to benefit from it.

  120. 120 Avery Greene said at 2:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I doubt it. I’m wondering if Amaro even has email.

  121. 121 Fufina said at 3:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They had a guy who had used the internet when he was in college in ’96, but he was not a ‘baseball guy’ so they got rid of him for a proper scout with 40 years MLB experience who grew up in a proper ‘baseball family’.

  122. 122 P_P_K said at 11:54 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    That’s a really good point. This is more than a Deflategate kind of incident.

  123. 123 Greg Richards said at 12:22 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Pfft. Houston shouldn’t whine. They just have to improve their network security and employ their own hackers. This is just a new realm of sports science.

  124. 124 ACViking said at 12:54 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    But they’re the Cardinals . . .

    “Baseball Heaven” and all that crap.

  125. 125 Avery Greene said at 1:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’m soooo happy you’re here. Can you discuss the legal side of this? I’m interested in what you think will happen to the Cardinals and if the government can put sanctions and/or fines on the team.

  126. 126 CrackSammich said at 2:18 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Like every organization, the guy who actually had his hands on the keyboard will be the one who’s thrown to the wolves. Anyone stupid enough to put something in an email or voicemail will similarly be swept up. The higher ups will claim that they had no idea and never would have thought to do such a thing. And then every team will try harder to not get caught.

  127. 127 Avery Greene said at 2:33 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They can try that, but whoever’s house those IPs are traced to are in trouble. At the very least someone should have introduced them to TOR or another way to anonymize where they were coming from.

    The direct IP leading to official houses is damning evidence and I hope that all these guys get punished the way other hackers have been in the past.

    I’ll be pretty pissed if they get off with a slap on the wrist.

  128. 128 Joe Minx said at 1:48 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    “Best fans in the game!!!!!”

    puke

  129. 129 Ben Hert said at 2:00 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    As a lawyer and Philadelphia fan, I’d think you be more apt to not let the actions of one person speak for the entire organization…

    Of course it remains to be seen which bulkheads were breached in this mess, but current information only points to a disgruntled former employee of Luhnow, not the organization as a whole.

  130. 130 GEAGLE said at 11:34 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Mosher asked the dumb question about if he is worried that Mathis is showing guys how to get their release from the Eagles in the future of they ARENT happy with their contracts?
    ..
    Chip talked about how we will never want players who dont want to be here. We held on to Mathis trying to get value for as long as we could, it was clear we weren’t going to resolve this, so we waived Mathis in time for him to try and latch on with a team before these mandatory camps. Also talked about how we will never screw with olayers careers, blocking them from finding a job when it’s clear we aren’t going to keep them. And his past actions have reflected this statement….. I hope even the disgruntled players can recognize and respect this because it’s a very classy move that not all teams believe in.. chip could have easily held on to Mathis in August to see if a team loses a starting guard and we can get value in return, but he is classly enough to give players he is getting rid of a good shot at finding another job… He has always been classy about this, which is why it sucks when emotional cripples like shady feels the need to spit on chip on the way out…

  131. 131 peteike said at 11:40 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    agreed, Im not buying the slippery slope argument that this will all of a sudden apply to young or promising players trying to negotiate better deals. He was trying to get out for a while

  132. 132 GEAGLE said at 12:23 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Agreed…also a coach that believes in the military approach of a United team, all playing for the man next to them, who are driven to work towards excellence and success, isn’t going to have any use for a player that doesn’t want to be there

  133. 133 FairOaks said at 11:51 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Well, that and not risking having to pay Mathis if he got injured while at mandatory camp. And I do wonder if that was somewhat convenient explanation, and if things would have been different if he did come to OTAs.

  134. 134 Fufina said at 11:51 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    Anyone get the vibe that Chip was less than happy chap at the press conference today? I know he is often sarcastic with the media, but seemed quite short tempered and grouchy today.

    ESP is in a happy mood tho – tweeting glowing things about Bradford/MSII. Maybe it just a freaky Tuesday!

  135. 135 James said at 11:57 AM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think he just hates talking about contract disputes. He gets asked the same shit all the time, its exhausting. The entire media room asks horrible questions that include speculative ones. But he is also going to keep everything close to the vest anyway.

  136. 136 OregonDucker said at 12:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah Fufina, I noticed that too. I’ll look into it; but they run a tight ship so good info is tough.

  137. 137 GEAGLE said at 12:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah, he was pissed. I know exactly what you are talking about… He has 3 types of press conference demeanors:
    1) Good mood chip, happy to expand on answers, joke around ithe media
    2) Cordial chip where you can tell he doesn’t want to be there but is being professional about it
    3) Today was Angry chip, notice his face is always bright red when he is like this, grumpy, will answer some questions but looks like he is forcing himself to be cordial not flip out and can get really snippy if he doesn’t like the questions… When he looks like today, I get the impression that he flipped out over something, and has been fuming up Until he had to settle down and put on a professional face for the press conference…
    ..

  138. 138 Joe Minx said at 1:46 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’d be #3 if I had to deal with these people on a regular basis like he does.

  139. 139 GEAGLE said at 2:02 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They would hate me…. I would answer every question the way Marshawn Lynch does TIL the point where they all think it’s pointless to come bother me at my place of business any more…
    ..
    Lol Lurie only really speaks oncs a year, Chip is the grand Puba, he can troll the media for an entire year and they would have no one to bitch too.
    ..
    What I don’t like about chip being the GM is we lose access, we used to get to hear Chips thoughts, and we got to hear what Howie had to say,,, it looks like only chip will talk now, but I’m hoping Marynowitz is made available to the media the way Howie was, but I doubt it… If Marynowitz was going to speak, he would Have been been made available after the draft to take questions about draft night

  140. 140 Jason said at 4:11 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    GEAGLE, maybe you could apply the Marshawn Lynch approach to the volume of postings on this blog. LOL.

  141. 141 Greg Richards said at 12:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think Chip is every happy at a press conference. I think he views it as a waste of time.

  142. 142 peteike said at 12:22 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tebow just inconsistent. Horrible at times in practice, all the same stuff I heard out here in Denver when he was here. Its early to be fair so everyone is knocking rust off, but this is when its easier for QBs

  143. 143 OregonDucker said at 12:24 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I see via tweets that Barkley is also having a bad day. Nonetheless, we need to prepare for Tebow in our future.

  144. 144 Greg Richards said at 12:26 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Seems like the practice in general is a little sloppy. It’s freaking humid as hell in Baltimore and is probably the same in Philly.

  145. 145 Avery Greene said at 12:41 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Hmmm. I’m not too far from there. Wanna do Magerk’s for one of the games?

  146. 146 ICDogg said at 12:37 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    He’s holding us over until the Pope gets here.

  147. 147 peteike said at 12:40 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tebow will not be in the future, have you seen Barkleys gun show ha

  148. 148 GEAGLE said at 2:19 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Stop hating on TEBOW,, bunch of haters, everyone knows the TEBOW is a top NFL QB and I’m sick of the white man always trying to keep TEBOW down!! Tebow! TEBOW! Atica!,Atica! Atica!… Chip kelly is a heathen who discriminates against CHRISTIAN QBs.. Send this hippy, pagan head coach back to Oregon..

  149. 149 Ark87 said at 12:33 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Also when it comes to fringe veterans essentially starting from scratch in a new system they have a lot to un learn and re learn. When Trent Edwards came here he was hilariously incompetent, like couldn’t hit the pocket in the stationary net at all type incompetence. He had been working on some new mechanics and it just wasn’t working for him at first by the end of camp with some game 4 heroics he was good enough to secure a spot on the roster.

    Not saying this will happen with Tebow, but can’t count him out yet.

  150. 150 GEAGLE said at 12:33 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah a QB like Brady, balls DONT even touch the ground when you can’t touch him or. WR in practices like this…
    ..
    What I find interesting about Tebow and chip is that even players who are Tebows biggest supporters admit and make an excuse for him that he just isn’t a practice player, but when the game is on the line he becomes a completely different player. he is a notoriously terrible practice player. I’m curious how chip views this. Chip is all about practicing and the “process”.. What you do every day reflects your habbits… Sounds lke he is philosophically against a guy sucking every day, and then turning it up on Sunday.
    ..
    Problem with being a bad Practice Playes is there are players dependant on the QB to practice at a high level. We can’t waste practice reps for kids like Agholor and Rowe, working hard to compete against each other with a QB who’s throwing the ball behind them where neither can catch it… It’s not fair to players trying to grow in practice To have an erratic QB out there, when this should be when it’s easier for a QB to play well

  151. 151 peteike said at 12:46 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    hes got some connection with passes to Kinne though, theres that

  152. 152 Media Mike said at 1:50 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tebow, even if he’s only drawing per diem food money right now, from this football team is an insult to football everywhere. I honestly cannot think of a person who has ever “quarterbacked” an NFL in a worse manner and has been on multiple teams. Tebow is literally the opposite of what you’d want in any aspect of quarterbacking.

  153. 153 anon said at 12:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Wow. http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/6/16/8789441/philadelphia-eagles-chip-kelly-evan-mathis-asked-for-release?utm_campaign=southern_philly&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    must read: mathis said he bypassed rosenhaus trying to get chip to let him stay. Chip said it was out of his hands. Said Eagles’ offer last year didn’t add additional guaranteed $$. Said Chip didn’t even ask if he was coming to minicamp — seemed like fait accompli, regardless of what mathis did.

  154. 154 Avery Greene said at 12:40 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I don’t trust Drew Rosenhaus at all.

  155. 155 GEAGLE said at 1:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    For Mathis to feel like he had to circumvent his slimeball agent, wonder how Mathis/Rosenhause relationship is these days? Is he starting to realize his agent is a greedy scum who doesn’t have his best interests?
    ..
    lol if Rosenhause cared about Mathis making the most money these last two years of his career he would be advising to kiss chips ass every day for two years and pray he gets to keep that 11mil dollar deal..
    ..
    You don’t trust Rosenscum? Sounds like Mathis is starting not to trust him either lol

  156. 156 anon said at 1:14 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    especially for him to come out and speak to reporters about it. CK is going to have an interesting presser tomorrow.

  157. 157 GEAGLE said at 1:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Is he scheduled to talk again tomorrow? That will be fun…

  158. 158 EagleNebula said at 1:56 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Part of me feels bad for Mathis but at the same time, he shares in the blame. I mean, these comments makes you wonder why Mathis didn’t terminate his contract with Mr. “Next Question” last year after he failed to get Mathis the deal he wanted (while working with the GM who actually would listen to him). The onus is on Mathis for sticking with him for a second round of this BS. And if you empower your agent to play a game of chicken with your career, you better be prepared to pay up when your bluff is called.

  159. 159 GEAGLE said at 12:43 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    FLOCK Mathis… Tired of his drama. 34 year old should shut up and pray he gets to keep his 11mil contract at the age of 34 and 35
    ..
    I’m telling you it looks more and more to me that chip and Stoutland view Mathis as blocking younger players who are ready to take that next step and Mathis and Rosenhause gave chip an excuse to trash a old probowler, and move on with players who are unproven to fans and media, but who chip and Stoutland want to proceed with.
    .
    Starting to think chip had no Intention of resolving this and was just trying to see if he could get some value for Mathis in a post draft trade… Think he had No intention on keepimg Mathis, and Mahis and Rosenhause did Chip a favor by giving him an excuse instead of having to justify why he cut another ProBowler like he did with Desean and trading away Shady…. Rosenhause and Mathis made it easy for chip to do what he planned on doing all along..
    ..
    Don’t know how else to interpret Chip vs Mathis drama…

  160. 160 anon said at 12:44 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    yup – -that sounds more like it. especially the way he talks up barbe, who is also old, but is very cheap.

  161. 161 ACViking said at 12:51 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    A:

    Hard and fast rule is you can’t take anything Kelly says to the bank . . .

    Except his H/W/S requirements for certain positions.

    He says what he needs to say when he needs to say it.

    Since the days of George Halas up to Walsh, JJohnson, Parcells, that’s what coaches do.

    Belichick is the exception. All he says is, “on to the next game.”

  162. 162 eagleyankfan said at 2:52 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    nobody bypasses an agent like ARod!!

  163. 163 MagsMama said at 8:01 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Was that before or after his Twitter suggestion?

  164. 164 b3nz0z said at 12:45 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    dude the press asking chip questions couldn’t be any worse. i’d never be able to keep my temper as well as chip does.

  165. 165 ACViking said at 12:48 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    You would if you had a camera pointed in your direction.

    There’s nothing more fun than being on TV.

    You’re in total control of the information flow because you know WAY more than the people asking the questions.

  166. 166 OregonDucker said at 2:14 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Ain’t that the Truth AC. I had to speak to local TV during the Symantec parking garage riots and the Thurston shooting. When the lights are on and the questions are hot and heavy, you have to maintain your composure and control the message. It’s tough. I feel for Chip.

  167. 167 unhinged said at 5:30 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I give Kelly a 10 for his pc’s and on-air appearances. He is respectful enough of his media responsibilities as HC to listen, and totally indifferent to the yarn that some of his questioners spin out of nothing. When I look at his coaching peers, and how some of them cannot control their emotions, (Tomlin, Coughlin, Ryan) or refuse to say anything of substance (Belichick, Reid), or follow a script and just repeat it over and over (take your pick), Kelly looks like he grew up on camera. ACV, I believe that most of the HC’s in the NFL could list a lot of things that they find more fun than being on TV.

  168. 168 ACViking said at 6:26 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    ACV, I believe that most of the HC’s in the NFL could list a lot of things that they find more fun than being on TV.
    ________

    TOUCHE!!!

  169. 169 MagsMama said at 8:00 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yes. Check out Top 10 coaches’ rants! “Playoffs! Playoffs! Playoffs?? We’ll be lucky to even win a game!!”
    Gets me every time.

  170. 170 Ben said at 1:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    OMG, that was too funny.
    With a name like “Throatzilla”, he should have known better to pay her for the…. ahem….services she….ahem, rendered to him.
    Maybe Warren Sapp should sit down with this young man and exchange war stories of how to deal with women in this profession. Umm maybe not.
    He will fit in perfectly with his new team.
    Let’s see, we have a drunken driving murderer, an underwear shoplifter, a mother slapping DIVA wr, and players who enjoy beating women in their spare time.
    Boy do I love to bash me some cowturds at every opportunity.
    As fun as this is, I am sure when Murray is running the ball right up the middle over and over with four yard clips every other down will be much more entertaining.
    The Dallas Felons “America’s Most Wanted team”, sounds more appropriate to me .

  171. 171 botto said at 1:30 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Vicks comment about shady are pretty cool. (saying he doesn’t agree at all with what he said about chip)
    that guy has really come a long way in being a true pro.
    I would never have thought I could back him, but he has consistently acted like a man.

  172. 172 iceberg584 said at 1:48 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    And I’m convinced he was the guy that kept the Riley Cooper incident from destroying the 2013 Eagles. Vick really became a great locker room presence/team leader here.

  173. 173 botto said at 1:49 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    he definitely was. I agree.
    he is the one guy that other players respect I guess…

  174. 174 Media Mike said at 1:55 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think Vick was sufficiently humbled by the legal issues and has a genuine desire to be a good role model.

  175. 175 botto said at 2:01 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    hopefully he was humbled by the animal cruelty issues not just the legal stuff

  176. 176 Media Mike said at 2:31 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I 100% agree, but I think it took the legal / financial repercussions to humble him.

  177. 177 P_P_K said at 4:52 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I had wondered if his apology and transformation were for real. As time goes on, I’m more and more inclined to believe the’s authentic.

  178. 178 SteveH said at 3:12 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Vick’s transformation has been remarkable. He’s gone from flipping off the fans in Atlanta to being an insightful and thoughtful person. He handled his business here in Philly extremely well. It’s a shame he wasn’t a few years younger and we could have kept him around longer, with his skillset (legs, arm) and a couple years in Chip’s system I think he could have been a great QB for us.

  179. 179 anon said at 1:31 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Agent Tom Condon confirmed unsigned franchise player Dez Bryant is willing to miss regular season games.
    Condon’s exact quote was, “With my conversations with him he is willing to miss regular season games.”

  180. 180 botto said at 1:33 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    dez shoulda hired drew. he’d be on the raiders by now

  181. 181 MagsMama said at 7:56 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Dez pretty much started to show a lack of commitment a couple of seasons ago. Usual diva stuff. Like Diccsean missing OTA’s 2 years in a row. “I’m more important than you and I make more money. I don’t need to learn how other positions work or become a true part of a team because I am the centre of the Universe.” Bleccch.

    Part of the HOF speech from a HC who won 4 Super Bowls:
    “The single most important thing we had in the Steelers of the 1970s was an ability to work together,” Noll said. “The thing that stuck out was we had a lot of people who didn’t worry about what somebody else did. If someone else was having a tough time on a particular day, they reached down and got it up a little more. They got the thing done. Whatever they had to do, they did to win. There was never a reason to let down.
    “Right now you hear about teamwork and it’s defined as 50-50, and that is a falsehood. There’s no such thing as 50-50. You do whatever you have to do as part of the team. You may have to carry somebody.”

  182. 182 EagleNebula said at 2:07 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Apparently boykin got a shot on the outside…

    https://twitter.com/tim_mcmanus/status/610851620981747712

  183. 183 GEAGLE said at 2:15 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Someone should let McManus in on the secret that Boykins literally gets reps outside every single day
    ,,
    He won’t ever start outside, because we play press, and he ISNT suited to play press on the outside. plus Nolan Carrol is just baby sitting that spot TIL Rowe is ready to take over, so there is no point in moving Boykin outside, when in the near future that spot will belong to Rowe.
    ..
    Why would we piss away having the best Nickel CB in the game so we can move a 5’9 CB outside and ask him to play Press? It’s retarded… Just because fans see that boykin had the best coverage skills one our teams, doesn’t mean he had any business ever playing press on the outside…
    ..
    Then again, the media is a joke for harassing Boyking every year as if he shouldn’t be content and thrilled to be the best nickel in the game….when these dumb media dorks should know how important he is after Joselio hanson and Al Harris, rich tradition of quality Nickel CB… They were valuable in the slot a decade ago and today that position is so much more important than it’s ever been, and media nerds talk to boykin as if he shouldn’t be proud of being the best slot in football, when these birdbrain reporters should understand that he will NEVER be our best option to press, and now that Rowe is here, talking about moving boykin outside is just dumb.. I wouldn’t move Boykin outside in a video game like Madden lol

  184. 184 peteike said at 3:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Boykin as a player wants to be paid as an outside guy so his perspective will be different than a coaches or fans of course. May the best player win though. I agree if it leaves a hole in the slot and weakens the team overall but if someone capable is there then I dont care about measurables. Assuming he shows he is capable. Al Harris did okay for himself making the jump. Carrol is still just as much a mystery no matter how much film work he did or praise from teammates, it will play out. I thought Thurmond could have been a slot option but not looking that way now.

  185. 185 GEAGLE said at 5:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Boykin wants nothing.. That’s all media talk… Considering we will pay our outside corner Rowe on a cheap rookie deal for the next 4 years, they can pay Boykin and around the time we have to pony up to extend Rowe, it will be around the time where you get to the end of Boykin deal where you can cut him without eating dead money.. Basically pay Boykin now, and then cut him and give his money to Rowe when it’s time to extend him..
    ..
    bills paid good money to Corey Graham last year to be a nickel CB.. It’s not about what you pay one player, it’s about how much you are allocating towards a position as a whole..the fact that an outside corner will be paid on a cheap rookie deal for 4 years allows us to make it work if we want to keep him and he is happy playing nickel for a contender…. I don’t think losing Botkin is as inevitable as people make it out to be, but we’ll find out soon enough

  186. 186 Bert's Bells said at 7:27 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    #justanickle

  187. 187 ACViking said at 6:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    How stupid would Boykin be if he didn’t try to position himself to hit free agency in posture to get 3-down CB money?

    Or if he unilaterally agreed to take less than market price to play inside just because he’s an Eagle? (If he were getting below-market 3-down CB money, above nickel CB money, that’s potentially different.)

    Pretty damn stupid, he’d have to be.

    Boykin broke his leg at the Senior Bowl and slipped to the 4th Rd of the draft . . . or so the theory goes.

    Why on earth would he voluntarily leave money on the table when he’s lost money because of his draft position?

  188. 188 GEAGLE said at 7:21 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    What has boykin put on film in 4 years that would someone sigń him for big money to play outside CB? How many teams in TODAYS NFL even believe in a player of his size playing on the outside? Not a team that wants to press…,what Boykin wants to be paid, and what someone will be willing to pay him arent always the same
    ..
    I’m sure we offer him good money, to be the best Nickel in the game and play on a contender On the city that drafted him…which is as important as a starter even if the media doesn’t realize it… If that’s not good enough for Boykin he is welcome to cash in with the Raiders or whatever dumb team would break the bank open for a 5’9 outside CB, who they haven’t seen play outside in 4 years as a pro lol.
    ..
    A great slot corner, doesnt always translate to a great outside CB..

  189. 189 SteveH said at 3:19 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Mathis had been asking for a release, I guess that explains why so many Eagles were giving him the cold shoulder. He really didn’t want to be here so why would his teammates support him.

  190. 190 anon said at 3:35 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    mathis was begging to stay. Was talking to chip in May, chip gave him cold shoulder. Think rosenhaus might have overstepped.

  191. 191 EagleNebula said at 3:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Then why not show up to OTAs and demonstrate how much you want to stay? Actions are more effective than words. And I think Kelce’s statement is probably the most damning.

    https://twitter.com/tim_mcmanus/status/610885956531417088
    https://twitter.com/tim_mcmanus/status/610886035275317248

  192. 192 Avery Greene said at 4:05 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Wow. This sheds more light on this subject.

  193. 193 anon said at 4:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    seems like a violation of the CBA.

  194. 194 Anders said at 4:21 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    The Eagles was cleared because it has been an ongoing contractual dispute for 2 seasons

  195. 195 EagleNebula said at 4:22 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    To me, it seems like his teammates took his absence as a slight on them.

  196. 196 Jernst said at 10:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I mean, wouldn’t you if you were sweating and working your ass off towards a common goal with 88 other individuals and one guy on your team basically said that he was above all that and didn’t have to put in the same work as all of you or practice together with you?

  197. 197 Greg Richards said at 4:32 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    The coaches/FO can’t make those type of statements. No rule against the players sharing that sentiment.

  198. 198 P_P_K said at 4:51 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Good post. Thanks.

  199. 199 Javi Echie said at 3:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Begging to stay yet was the ONLY player that stayed away from the facilities all offseason? Cmon dude that’s an absurd statement, if Mathis was soo committed he would of showed up and maybe got his raise.

  200. 200 anon said at 4:02 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    he didn’t go to voluntary workouts last year either, it wasn’t a problem, it’s not like he’d show up out of shape.

  201. 201 Javi Echie said at 4:04 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    It wasn’t a problem, yet not one of his linemates and teammates in general were throwing any confidence or showed any signs that they are missing him. Clearly the team and his teammates moved on from him being a distraction to the team as a whole.

  202. 202 EagleNebula said at 4:05 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Considering the tone of the rhetoric his teammates are using, it was a problem. Our opinions & perceptions are not as important as theirs and if Kelce and Peters are ready to move on (the two players who are arguable affected the most), I’ll trust their judgement.

  203. 203 DJH said at 4:23 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Kelce seems to think it was a problem.

  204. 204 Ark87 said at 6:14 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    absolutely right, Mathis regularly skipped voluntary activities going back before Chip, opting to train out of his self-owned gym. The man is in incredible shape and extremely dedicated to his craft. It seems to have worked just fine for him in the past.

  205. 205 Javi Echie said at 6:17 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Nobody is questioning his conditioning. So by you saying its worked fine for him in the past you must just be referring to him only on the Eagles because I highly doubt that if its worked so fine for him throughout his career that he wouldn’t of been cut by 3 make that 4 teams now in his career.

  206. 206 Ark87 said at 6:21 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I wouldn’t claim to know a damn thing about Evan Mathis’ work ethic/training habbits before the Eagles. How well it works for him really depends on how many millions this dude scrapes up as a 34 year old guard. So that is yet to be determined, but the outlook seems decent for him in these early stages.

  207. 207 Javi Echie said at 6:25 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Decent?..From what I read Mathis is now willing to take his time to sign an offer from a team, which in hindsight is saying that he isn’t finding the money that he is looking for yet. I wouldn’t call that decent I call that reality that he shouldn’t of been such a puppy dog and listen to anything his agent tells him to do cause he isn’t going to find more money on the open market then he would have made here and yet even then his agent is still going to get paid. Only person really losing out here is Mathis.

  208. 208 Ark87 said at 6:31 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Everyone lost in this off-season bout of idiocy.

  209. 209 MagsMama said at 7:42 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    It’s not about being in or out of shape. It’s about how bad do you want to be a part of a team that wants to WIN. Every time I hear players or coaches who have won Super Bowls in the past, they talk about the dedication and commitment and team work. Having each other’s backs, etc.

  210. 210 FairOaks said at 11:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    He went to most all of the voluntary team activities last year — most definitely was there at the OTAs.

    http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/4/21/5635554/evan-mathis-contract-eagles-voluntary-workouts

    If the Eagles did offer a bit of a bump last year, he should have taken it — that honestly sounds like a reward for handling it quietly last year. Sounds like all parties were more stubborn about it this year. If he really wanted to be on the team, he probably should have showed up to OTAs and tried to work things out that way — maybe he didn’t sense he was on thin ice. Or maybe he really did want out. Of course I also wish the Eagles took the Zimmer-to-Peterson approach… whole thing seems senseless. But if he thinks he’s getting 16 mil the next two years, he’s dreaming. Highly unlikely he gets the 11.5 he would have made, though maybe he gets a bit of guarantee.

  211. 211 Jernst said at 10:53 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yea that’s total BS. If he was “begging” to stay, all he had to do was show up to OTAs and put in the work expected of him.

  212. 212 Dave said at 4:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Evan Mathis said he did not ask for his release for months, but I was told by sources Mathis wanted 3 million dollar raise. 16M for 2 yrs

    https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/610891440395173889

  213. 213 Avery Greene said at 4:06 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Rosenhaus is absurd.

  214. 214 Media Mike said at 4:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Agreed. But so is Ben Dogra. I wish the Eagles would have given the Mike Zimmer / Peterson talk to Mathis.

  215. 215 anon said at 4:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    yeah i think he fucked mathis over. thats just bad advice. no one is going to pay a 34 year old at the top of the market.

    “Mathis went as far as to bypass both his agent and top personnel executive Ed Marynowitz, reaching out to Kelly personally in an attempt to make things work.

    It was at that point Mathis was informed by Kelly that the head coach did not handle contracts and giving him a new deal was out of his control, despite the fact the head coach has been given complete control of the entire personnel department.”

  216. 216 Dave said at 4:13 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I ALMOST feel sad for Mathis. Odds are that he takes a pay cut and/or plays for a non contender and ends his career bitter.

  217. 217 Mac said at 4:18 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    The odds of Mathis making the pro bowl next to players other than Peters and Kelce is probably 10%.

  218. 218 Media Mike said at 4:08 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    As much as people hate on Eskin, he does have good sources on things. I have no doubt that the request for release was months old, but Mathis did indeed ask for a bump of that level.

    That’s some good reporting there.

  219. 219 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:02 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I suspect this is a case where semantics may be involved.

    Rosenhaus could say “if you aren’t going to pay him what he wants, why not release him?”.

    Technically he’s just asked a question, not demanded Mathis be released.

  220. 220 Media Mike said at 5:05 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’d buy that for a dollar.

  221. 221 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:20 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Kelly does the same thing sometimes. It’s a little weasley, but it gives you a way of answering questions honestly without saying much.

    If they were looking for $16m over two years then……good luck with that. I’m still hoping for a night of fun-fun-times with Beyonce, but I don’t plan on making it the cornerstone of any contract negotiations with my boss.

  222. 222 Greg Richards said at 4:39 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Regardless of how good Mathis is and our other options on the offensive line, I wouldn’t be surprised if simply not wanting to pay a G $5.5M(let alone more) wasn’t a factor. You have to prioritize some positions and the short-term loss of losing Mathis this year might be outweighed on having that cap room to spend on higher priority players/positions long-term like Bradford and Cox.

    Granted, last year the Eagles paid their 3rd TE $3.985M, so I’m not sure how much the long-term matters to him compared to the short-term. Hopefully now that he has full control he considers such factors more carefully.

  223. 223 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:00 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They’d have paid it if he was happy to earn “only” that much.

    Casey was just a guy who was signed to a contract that made sense at the time but who was largely surplus to requirements once Ertz fell to them. Can’t remember exact details of his contract but from memory it only really made sense to cut him this year.

  224. 224 Greg Richards said at 5:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    $2M out of that $3.985M was guaranteed but that is still an outlandish amount to pay a #3 TE/STs player.

  225. 225 OldDocZOMGamazeballs said at 5:16 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    You’re basically only looking at cap savings of just under $2m then. Vet min for a guy with four or five years’ experience is about $750k so realistically savings over replacement were only a little over $1m. He was really strong on ST and had good value if Ertz or Celek went down.

    Overpaid, but not exactly outlandish enough to warrant cutting him after one year IMO.

  226. 226 unhinged said at 6:54 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    As OldDoc stated timing is a key here, and that contract would have been HR’s deal. Free agents tend to make outlandish money, and Casey was only 3rd because Celek and Ertz are beasts.

  227. 227 ACViking said at 5:03 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Attn: AVERY GREEN

    Regarding the FBI’s investigation into the alleged hacking of the Astros’ computer system . . . .

    18 U.S. Code § 1030, also known as the “Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,” is the operative criminal provision involved.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

    In a word, it’s like a burglary-theft statute for computers instead of houses or businesses.

    Long story short, the Justice Department — FBI and US Attorney’s Office — will try to find out how far up the managerial chain things went.

    Justice Dept is expecting TOTAL(!!!) cooperation from the Cardinals. Anything short of that, or even the perception, and . . . . Not good.

    Punishment? Main Justice — not the local US Attorney — will likely make the decision whether to prosecute the legal entity called “The St. Louis Cardinals Baseball Club.” (Not, I don’t believe, the individuals involved, however — which decision should be made by the local US Attorney.)

    Prosecution, obviously, includes taking a guilty plea and agreeing on a fine and restitution.

    As for jurisdiction . . . the Cardinals entity is definitely subject to federal criminal prosecution and fines of $500,000 or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense.

    No exemptions from the criminal law (by statute, at least) just because you’re a baseball team or football team.

    But the $5-$10+ Million the Cardinals will spend in the next several months dealing with this investigation — including hiring some “names” in D.C. with access to Main Justice — will be worth every penny.

  228. 228 Greg Richards said at 5:30 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    The Astros didn’t know who had breached their system when they contacted the FBI. Now that the FBI is involved, there’s no turning back. What if the Astros discovered internally that the Cardinals had hacked them? I’m not familiar with the baseball collective bargaining agreement or what the operating rules are as far as how teams relate to each other, but in football when Suh stomps on some guy’s head, assault charges aren’t brought up but Suh(or any other player) faces discipline in accordance with the CBA. When the Pats cheat the Colts and go to the Super Bowl(for arguments’ sake let’s say that game was close and not a beat-down), the Colts don’t sue the Patriots for theoretical income they could have gained if they had gone to the Super Bowl. There is a league investigation and league discipline according to the CBA.

    It may be different with respect to this particular law, but in general a lot of the employment statutes don’t apply if there’s a collective bargaining agreement in place.

  229. 229 ACViking said at 6:12 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    This case involves not just *hacking* but, potentially, *theft of trade secrets* — using interstate facilities, which triggers federal criminal jurisdiction.

    The Patriots’ decoding of opposing teams’ signals appears to have been purely local matter.

    And without a formal complaint to the Justice Department, even assuming a federal hook for investigating, the Feds won’t get involved. (Anyway, I would assume Goodell wouldn’t have allowed any of the other owners to “spoil their own nest.”)

    ______________

    As you say, there’s no turning back now.

    Valuable — and scarce — FBI resources have now been invested in this matter, which could be spent on some other case.

    KEY POINT: Yearly compensation and promotions for FBI agents depends, in part, on the number of prosecutions — arrests, indictments, convictions, fines, forfeiture — they help the US Attorney’s office bring.

    In other words . . . STATS matter to agents.

    So there’s a huge incentive for the field agents to push this case now full speed. (In for dime, in for a dollar.)

    _____________

    “What if the Astros discovered internally that the Cardinals had hacked them?”

    If the Astros had kept the matter internal within the Commissioner’s Office, then the FBI wouldn’t have become involved.

    Law enforcement tries to avoid “Family Quarrels” whenever possible — local cops, up to the FBI.

    But once agents start putting time into an investigation . . . .
    ______________

    Bottom line for me is this:

    * Hacking of computers — which by its nature involves interstate facilities (giving the FBI jurisdiction) is a big deal in this country

    It’s also a high priority for the FBI.

    * Theft of trade secrets is a high priority for the FBI. (China/Russia stealing the trade secrets of American Corps)

    * Hacking to commit Theft of Trade Secrets is a very, very big deal.

    Law enforcement likes to send messages to public that having a lot of money doesn’t matter.

    Once the Astros brought in the FBI . . . as you say: Too late.

  230. 230 Bert's Bells said at 6:41 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    “KEY POINT: Yearly compensation and promotions for FBI agents depends, in part, on the number of prosecutions — arrests, indictments, convictions, fines, forfeiture — they help the US Attorney’s office bring.”

    Then how come Mulder and Scully are coming back, smart guy?

  231. 231 MagsMama said at 7:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    We always knew that cops have quotas! Muller and Scully kept a lot of technical staff employed in Vancouver for some time.
    https://moviemaps.org/cities/2

  232. 232 ACViking said at 7:41 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    If you told Hollywood the truth, they wouldn’t believe it.

  233. 233 Avery Greene said at 7:06 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    There was a professor in NY (Chinese) who was arrested for selling trade secrets to China. They threw the book at Aaron Schwartz. Going after KimDotCom, the list goes on.

    On the other side, the stress of protecting the assets is a tough job. Sadly, this is political where the tech department is at odds with the finance dept (generally) or companies are willing to take on a larger amount of risk. Then there’s the companies that have no clue about security.

  234. 234 MagsMama said at 7:29 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/stuxnet-was-far-more-dangerous-than-previous-thought-2013-11

  235. 235 Greg Richards said at 8:17 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Just wondering if the Astros/MLB would be legally required to report the hacking as a crime or if they could have chosen to keep it in-house and punished the Cardinals according to their own rules and the CBA.

  236. 236 ACViking said at 8:54 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    GR:

    Victims have no obligation to report a crime.

    Only hospitals and other health-care providers regarding wounds that appear to have been caused by knives or guns.

  237. 237 Greg Richards said at 8:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    In Maryland and I assume other states, anyone who has knowledge of child abuse(physical or sexual) is required by law to report it to the police.

    Obviously this isn’t of that nature but assuming that the Astros would report it to MLB I figured there may be a law on the books requiring the Astros themselves or MLB(or any company, really) to report the crime to the FBI or local authorities.

  238. 238 ACViking said at 8:59 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Big oops! (well done)

    You’re right about child abuse.

    Beyond wounds and abuse, hard to think of another category.

  239. 239 Avery Greene said at 7:02 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Awesome explanation. Any breaches we have get turned over to the attorneys for the legal stuff. A guy posted our president’s and other people’s SSNs online, and the FBI came out hard core on the guy (but he was also an idiot).

    I finished reading the article and one takeaway I have is: I wonder how many professional sports teams don’t have a decent password policy in place. Basic security policies prevent a lot of incidents like this. This was not a sophisticated attack. They should fire their CIO and/or CISO for allowing something as simple as a password to stay the same over a long period of time.

  240. 240 ACViking said at 7:40 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Do you think it occurred to anyone at the Astros that *another team* would try to hack them?

    As opposed to someone in Russia?

    No excuse for the bad PW policy . . .

    But whatever happened to honor among thieves?

  241. 241 Avery Greene said at 8:17 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    In security, always plan for the worst and hope for the best. I always say, there is no honor among thieves when they have no honor to begin with. 🙂

  242. 242 MattE said at 7:31 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Hahaha, fu*k both Cardinals (ARI/St Louis), why are they hacking our minor league team anyway.

  243. 243 goeagles55 said at 9:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    psst: I think our current record puts us past the point where we refer to the Astros as our AAAA team.

  244. 244 GEAGLE said at 5:22 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Bradford was asked if he would be ready for 11 on 11 for training camp… “If I can’t play 11 on 11 for training camp then that probably means something went terribly wrong”
    ..
    When Chip was asked the same question to end the press conference, he responded “God I hope so”

    Two positive statement, head coach and QB both are expecting to be ready to roll for camp. I actually think he is probably further along then how slow we are taking it with him. Seems like we are taking it slow and building up to full participation for camp as a precaution

  245. 245 botto said at 5:55 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    man we could have lucked onto something with sam Bradford. he could be our guy for years to come.
    and be real really good in this offense

  246. 246 GEAGLE said at 7:36 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Stay healthy and trading for Bradford could end up going down as an epic moment in the history of this franchise… We are talking about a Passng QB with more talemt an upside then McNabb, who is accepted as the best QB in modern Eagle history

  247. 247 botto said at 7:42 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    oh you’re not aloud to say stay healthy anymore that’s over

  248. 248 eagleyankfan said at 8:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Kiko n Bradford…. Can’t wait to see these guys play

  249. 249 George Leeds said at 6:01 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Tommy,

    We hear a lot about how Chip’s training methods result in a massive amount of reps per player, which are taped and coach-reviewed, and then individuals are coached up in the classroom on the mistakes. Maybe you’ve already written something and I missed it but I’d love to read something regarding how much a benefit it is to each player to get those reps. With the emphasis on his coaches being great teachers, Chip has created a synergy within this system that’ll stand up to the test of time, IMO.

  250. 250 Media Mike said at 6:50 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    So for tonight?
    – Women’s World Cup – US stomping Nigeria
    or
    – Live stream of Union cup game
    or
    – Phillies?

    I figured Cleveland isn’t likely to win by a big score, so my blood pressure can’t take potentially watching that turd Iguodala win a title.

  251. 251 RobNE said at 6:53 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    None of the above. Especially no phillies until amaro is gone.

  252. 252 Media Mike said at 7:08 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Ruben needs to be cleared out.

  253. 253 Fufina said at 7:13 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They need to clean house, from top to bottom. Amaro should have been fired 18 months ago but the whole organisation needs reform.

  254. 254 Media Mike said at 7:17 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Exactly. We need competent leadership in place. The team is going to be picking #1 overall in the next draft and a HOF player must be obtained.

  255. 255 iceberg584 said at 6:16 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    That’s not how baseball drafts work. In the past 50 years, there have been zero (0) HOF players taken with the first pick (though that will change when Ken Griffey Jr. and Chipper Jones get in). In fact, chances are that player won’t even an All-Star (if they even make the Major Leagues or even choose to sign). Being terrible in baseball doesn’t get rewarded the way it does in the NFL/NBA; it kills a team’s attendance revenues and sends them into a death spiral that takes time to recover from.

  256. 256 Media Mike said at 6:22 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    I’ll take Griffey or Chipper as a result of the 2016 draft.

  257. 257 Bert's Bells said at 7:24 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    True, but the modus operandi of the Phillies has been dysfunction since 1883.

    They lucked into 4 good streaks (plus a blip in 93) in 130 years. That’s just the law of averages playing out.

  258. 258 Fufina said at 7:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    There is a car crash pleasure to watching the phillies at the moment. Once the phillies are locked in on a loss (given up 2 runs) then it should be time for the NBA finals

  259. 259 Fufina said at 7:28 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Wow normally takes a little more time for the phillies to loose game….

  260. 260 Fufina said at 8:11 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    12-0 to the O’s with no outs in the 3rd innings…. on track for 50+ runs at this rate

  261. 261 Media Mike said at 8:14 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Phillies writers are having a blast on Twitter right now.

  262. 262 Avery Greene said at 6:55 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    You could watch Golden State win the championship.

  263. 263 Media Mike said at 7:08 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    No no no no no. We can’t have my electric bill going to potentially watching that false prophet Iggy win a title.

    I would totally root for Golden State otherwise.

  264. 264 Avery Greene said at 7:09 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    There are four names that my brother and I bounce back and forth when we want to get the other one started on a rant. Iggy is one of them.

  265. 265 Fufina said at 7:12 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I had no real rooting interest at the start of the playoffs, but i want Lebron to win this championship. What he is doing is unprecedented in NBA finals history and it would be incredible individual achievement.

  266. 266 Media Mike said at 7:16 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    It would be cool to see if he could pull it off.

  267. 267 Insomniac said at 7:26 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I know no women that hold grudges better than you. Get over it man and you’ll enjoy some things better.

  268. 268 Media Mike said at 7:28 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    With no due respect, go F yourself. I’ll get over what I choose to at the pace I choose to do it.

  269. 269 Michael Winter Cho said at 8:24 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Thanks for lowering the property values around here, dude.

  270. 270 Media Mike said at 8:29 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I did that? Just responding in-kind to a personal attack. I never lob those type of things as part of topical discussions, but I’ll not suffer a personal insult of that nature. That person has no right to speak to me in that manner.

  271. 271 Michael Winter Cho said at 8:39 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I thought he was kind of joking, maybe not. Still, IMO the relative civility level around here is one of the main draws.

  272. 272 Media Mike said at 8:44 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I took it as insulting and stifling. If that wasn’t that person’s intent, I’d retract the aggressive reply in return for the clarification in a second if one was offered.

    And I agree with you on the generally civility, I never put another person on blast in a personal manner as a way to start a conversation.

  273. 273 Media Mike said at 9:19 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    And as a follow up, I think the comment was updated somewhat, so I nuked my original aggressive reply.

  274. 274 A Roy said at 12:12 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    Warriors used to be in Phila…

  275. 275 eagleyankfan said at 8:07 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    PBA 🙂

  276. 276 Media Mike said at 8:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    w/ PBR?

  277. 277 Jernst said at 10:46 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I hope you didn’t watch the Phillies…

  278. 278 A Roy said at 12:11 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    I was at last night’s game and thought they stunk THEN. RAJ must go.

  279. 279 GEAGLE said at 7:44 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    When 89’players are taking pride in all being there everyday, grinding towards a common goal and you are the one player to stay home, don’t be surprised when you get cut… Play with the,Bull, you get the Horns.. In chips case, play with the Duck, you get the Beak!
    ..
    And can’t cry about making OTAs mandatory which ISNT allowed.. The kid who got the goal line INT for the Pats stealing them the Super Bowl win was late one morning to OTAs and Bellicheat didn’t let him practice for two weeks

  280. 280 Media Mike said at 7:46 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I’m curious what happens the next time something of that nature comes up with a guy on the roster. Will Chip do the same thing, or will there be some variance based on what the team views as their overall need for the guy?

  281. 281 ACViking said at 8:51 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    That’s the Jimmy Johnson rule.

    Stars get treated differently because they’re stars — and you don’t win without them.

    Pretty simple formula.

  282. 282 Media Mike said at 8:53 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    And I think our collective philosophical disagreements with each other on here about Mathis have to do with how much of a star you think he is. I happen to think he’s a superstar at his position with utter trash behind him on the roster; others not so much.

  283. 283 ACViking said at 8:56 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    MM:

    That’s it in a nutshell.

    Like the story of the ox being gored.

    Question’s always “whose ox?”

  284. 284 Media Mike said at 8:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Frank’s?
    Al’s?

  285. 285 GEAGLE said at 9:51 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I don’t think Mathis is over rated, maybe he is in general, but he is a legit top player in our scheme, but I won’t cry over a 34yr old…. And Personally, I think this situation would have Been handled very different in chip and stoutland if he didn’t think we have backups that have more game then people think…
    ..
    If we get to the season, and Barbre, Tobin, Gardner and Dennis struggle, I’m sure I will feel different about the Maths situation,. Personally. I think paying a 34yr old 11mil to finish his career on a contender when you are coming off an injury where you missed half the season is Fair for Mathis who is a very good player, but I doubt he is a guy like Jason Peters or Cox who you can put in any scheme and they will dominate

  286. 286 GEAGLE said at 9:43 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Variance… Chip was asked about it today, said every contract situatipn will be a case by case basis…. think it’s a mistake to look at this as chip punishing Mathis for his actions! Starting to think Chip wanted to axe mathis anyway and Evan and Rosenhause gave him a perfect excuse for it to not be another situation where fans DONT understand why we cut pro bowl Desean…
    ..
    When good players, who have been great teammates and hard workers need their contract address, they have gotten paid..look how high he was willing to go for Mathis, a Guy who had contract disputes for a while, but chip respected because he went about it the right way
    ..
    Historically holding out has been a strategy for trying to get a new contract. if an Eagle wants to be in philly, I strongly suggest he find another way to go about trying to win a new deal from Chip.. Let a contract come between your responsibility to your teammates and it seems like chip loses all respect from you and I don’t see chip losing too many of these game of chicken contract disputes. deserving players will get paid, Hold outs will find themselves cut or traded..
    ..

  287. 287 Jernst said at 10:36 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I hope players stop playing this, I’ll just sit out of OTAs and show up once the fines start, gimmick to try and voice their displeasure.

    Has any player ever tried showing up and working twice as hard during a contract negotiation to convince their employer that they are worth a raise?

    Maybe Chip will continue to reward good behavior like he did with Barwin and punish these clueless players that sit out and slack off trying to get what they want, and perhaps players will start to try and get raises the way every one else does, by working even harder, not refusing to come to work.

  288. 288 eagleyankfan said at 8:07 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Funny that I was chastised the day when I pointed this out and was told… He did this last year and camp was voluntary….

  289. 289 GEAGLE said at 9:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Yeah I have seen that response to and It annoys me..
    ..
    think it’s awesome that the players are taking ownership of the team, starting to police themselves and take exception when someone ISNT unified working towards the same goal as Everyone else… You are allowed to not be happy with your contract. But I strongly advise finding away to go about trying to get a new deal without it letting it effect you being out there working towards greatness with your teammates every day, you can want more money, you can ask for more money, but if you put that above Winning you aren’t going to be here…

  290. 290 Jernst said at 10:30 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    This is the truth. Sitting out OTAs with the intention of showing up once it’s mandatory and the fines start kicking in, and then playing hard during the games, just to voice your displeasure over your contract does nothing to benefit your goal of getting a better contract. If the team knows you’re not truly going to hold out and will ultimately play, you have zero leverage whatsoever.

    So, the only thing sitting out of OTAs accomplishes is alienating your teammates, showing them that you expect to start in front of the guys who have been there all off season working together, shows everyone that you think you are above team activities and that you don’t need to practice with everyone else and ultimately hurts the team. All so you can just selfishly voice your displeasure over something that will never change.

    If you want a new contract, or more incentives, because you feel like you’re under paid, you should show up and work twice as hard as anyone else and show your employer that you’re truly worth such a raise. I know the power structure, the contracts and careers of NFLers are vastly different than the real world. But, it seems insane to me that the NFL is the only profession where people think the best way to get a raise is to not show up for work and slack off to show your employer how unhappy you are.

  291. 291 ACViking said at 8:49 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    True enough.

    But what if you’re Fletcher Cox?

    Same rules apply?

    That is, skipping OTAs entirely because you want a better deal.

    Not missing a day because you have a wedding or something akin.

  292. 292 EagleNebula said at 11:34 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Was he publicly complaining? Was he and his agent seeking a trade for 2 years? Did his agent ask for him to be cut? You can’t make a statement without context.

  293. 293 botto said at 8:47 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    why is it that annoying cardinals fans are gung ho on Palmer with 2 acls but think we are beat with Bradford with 2 acls?
    I hope we play Arizona every year because I sure hate them.
    easily the most hated out of division team.

  294. 294 Media Mike said at 8:52 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I can’t dislike them as much as I hate Pittsburgh (fans), Carolina, and San Fran right now; but I hear you.

    I’m hoping we host them on wild card weekend and run up the score.

  295. 295 botto said at 8:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    you can’t?
    you should try harder, they suck and the coach is annoying

  296. 296 Media Mike said at 8:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    They aren’t from Pittsburgh and don’t employ Scam Netwon or Colin Kaepertrash, so they’re a little lower on my list.

  297. 297 botto said at 9:04 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    I think they will elevate for you this year

  298. 298 ACViking said at 8:58 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Doubt Kelly is everyone’s cup of tea in Tucson.

  299. 299 RobNE said at 10:06 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Hello greetings from foxboro. Don’t forget the wicked pissahs.

  300. 300 ACViking said at 8:57 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Palmer’s been to the playoffs.

    And he heals faster than Bradford.

    Maybe that’s it.

  301. 301 botto said at 9:01 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    heals faster huh?
    ok

  302. 302 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:10 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Maybe because Palmer is a better quarterback.

  303. 303 GEAGLE said at 9:26 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Our fans suck mostly because of dumb media influence
    ..
    It eats at me that we lost to them last year… Outside of losing a Division game, nothing aggrivates me more then losing to them
    ..
    I actually think Bradford is further along in his rehab then it seems and they are just taking it extra slow with him as a precaution,..
    ..
    Always,thought Carson was over rated. hit him real good two, three times and he loses his mind and unravels..

    Surprised they aren’t looking for a young player to groom preparing for life After Carson

  304. 304 Michael Winter Cho said at 9:05 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    This is awesome: Dearest Arlette,

    I am now convinced that Captain Chip longs to feel the cold embrace of Death. And while most aboard the Green Eagle would welcome such an occurrence in isolation, there is considerable reluctance to join the captain in this fate.

    Today, he made the quartermaster, Evil Eye Evan, walk the plank. Old Evil Eye had been asking for a greater share of the ship’s bounty, but Captain Chip simply told him to search for greater riches at the bottom of the sea. Nevermind the fact that we have no capable replacement for such an important officer. At this rate we will soon be taking orders from a cabin boy who can’t tell the difference between rum and turpentine.

    The ignominious fate of Evil Eye Evan, along with the inauspicious arrival of Townsman Tim as helmsman, have left me with a sense of foreboding that I cannot escape. I promise you this, my love: no matter the result of our journey, I shall never again ship out with Captain Chip.

    Your loving husband,

    Ethon

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2015/eagles-release-evan-mathis

    I wish some of the guys from footballoutsiders would post over here, they have some gems in the comment section.

  305. 305 MagsMama said at 1:50 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJ_IAUs8nI

  306. 306 SteveH said at 11:37 PM on June 16th, 2015:

    Andre Iguodala is going to win the finals MVP, and Philadelphian’s heads are going to explode.

  307. 307 P_P_K said at 12:11 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    It’s great to see Igy get that ring.

  308. 308 SteveH said at 12:31 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    And he got the MVP too. WIP is going to be especially interesting tomorrow.

  309. 309 Insomniac said at 12:34 AM on June 17th, 2015:

    RIP Media Mike.