Monday OTAs Roundup
Posted: June 9th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 236 Comments »The media got to go watch another training session (practice to the rest of the NFL). Here’s some of what they noticed.
Jimmy Bama had good things to say about the young WRs.
• As noted above, Agholor had a nice catch in traffic on a pass from Barkley. He also went up and outjumped a defender on a fade route from Tebow. It’s early, but I’ve liked the way Agholor attacks the football in the air so far.
• Jordan Matthews is so fun to watch in practice. I think that stamina is a wildly underrated attribute for a receiver, and Matthews has it in spades. He has incredible energy.
• A player I think the fans are going to love: Seyi Ajirotutu. We’ll have more on him soon.
Ajirotutu got positive comments from a few writers so this isn’t just Bama trying to find some no-name to fall in love with.
And speaking of love, Jimmy had to write about his favorite Eagle of all time…Donnie Jones.
• June prediction! Donnie Jones is going to win the punting job over Kip Smith. Poor Kip has no chance. Jones gets the ball out far quicker than Smith once he catches the snap. From catch to punt, Jones was averaging about 1.3 seconds per punt, while Smith was averaging about 1.5 seconds per punt. It may not seem like it, but a difference of 0.2 seconds is an eternity in the NFL. Smith would have multiple punts blocked per season at that speed. Smith’s directional punting ability also seems virtually non-existent, while that may be Jones’ biggest strength.
Otherwise, Jones has looked good. His 2013 was outstanding, but he fell off a bit in 2014. I timed the hangtime of a number of his punts today.
Against the wind: 4.48, 4.45, 4.61, 4.63, 4.40, 4.73.
With the wind: 4.63, 4.93, 4.83, 4.60, 4.83.
Ideally, Jones wants his hangtime to be around 5.0, which is an excellent time, but the consistency of the above times is good.
What happened to unbiased journalism?
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Jeff McLane liked what he saw from Agholor as well.
— Nelson Agholor continued to make a strong impression. It should be noted that receivers tend to have the upper hand during spring workouts when defensive backs are restricted, but you can often see whether rookie receivers have at the very least the skills to compete at this level. Agholor clearly does. He’s fast. Not DeSean Jackson fast, but he’s gets down the field in a hurry. He’s athletic. He made several catches when he out-jumped a defender. And he appears to run crisp routes.
On a Matt Barkley pass over the middle, Agholor high-pointed the ball and pulled it in. Later, when Tim Tebow threw a fade to his back shoulder in the end zone, Agholor went up and caught the ball away for his body. The Eagles’ top pick had a good day. It’s just one practice in shorts, but the signs so far suggest he was worth the investment.
More on Barkley and Tebow.
Matt Barkley was the main second team quarterback during team drills. He had another solid day. Tim Tebow looked a little more consistent than he had during my previous two visits to practice. The back shoulder pass to Agholor was well executed. He did fine with short passes and even hit a wide-open Matthew Tucker on a wheel route to end practice. But when asked to throw downfield or into tight passes, Tebow had issues. He tried to thread a pass to a receiver near the goal line (I couldn’t catch who it was), but threw behind him and rookie cornerback Eric Rowe tipped to ball to himself for an interception.
Barkley drew praise from a few people. Maybe the light is finally going on for him. I don’t think he lacks the physical ability to play in the NFL. I think he has to play the right way. In college. Barkley was gifted enough to be an aggressive QB. He doesn’t have the physical traits to play that way at this level. He needs to find the open guy and get him the ball. Simple as that. Forget big plays and highlight moments. Just move the chains and good things will happen.
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Sheil Kapadia had good stuff on Sam Bradford.
Sam Bradford, who participated more Monday than he had previously, finds Seyi Ajirotutu deep down the right sideline. It looked like a busted coverage, as Ajirotutu was wide open, but still nice to see Bradford go downfield.
As we mentioned in our All-22 breakdown of Bradford, he didn’t go deep much in St. Louis, but when he did, he had some success.
When Bradford gets another shot, he throws one to the sideline, but Jaylen Watkins forces an incompletion. Later, Bradford throws the best ball of the day, finding Zach Ertz down the seam past Najee Goode.
One thing that’s clear with Bradford is he has easily the best arm of any QB on the roster.
Bradford is the most talented pocket passer the Eagles have had in years. I want him to stay healthy because I’m an Eagles fan and he’s the team’s best chance to have a good year. Beyond that…as a football fan, I’m curious to see what he can do in Kelly’s offense. I thought Bradford was a terrific prospect in college. He had poor blocking and mediocre weapons in STL. I’m genuinely interested to see how he does with solid blockers, runners and receivers around him. And in an aggressive, attacking offense.
And here are some misc QB/WR notes.
1:50 – Barkley delivers a strike to Ajirotutu on a post in the red zone. One of the better balls we’ve seen out of him in recent memory.
Tim Tebow throws a fade to Agholor, who once again goes up and gets it in the air. Very nice practice for the Eagles’ first-round pick.
Sanchez tries a fade to Jordan Matthews, who sets up on the outside against Maxwell, but Maxwell breaks it up. Matthews didn’t have much of a chance.
Tebow looks for a receiver in the middle of the end zone, but instead finds Rowe. The second-round pick juggles it for a second before coming down with the pick.
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Misc notes from Brandon Lee Gowton:
• Attendance update: Fletcher Cox andDarren Sproles weren’t at practice. They were here last week, but remember: these practices are voluntary. Evan Mathis still hasn’t shown up.
• G.J. Kinne dropped a short pass from Tebow. Doesn’t that just sound funny? Later in practice, Kinne also took some reps at running back. He’s the ultimate team player.
• Josh Huff returned to practice after sitting out last week. He lined up in the backfield on one play and caught a pass in the flat.
• During a red zone drill, Byron Maxwell leaped to break up a Sanchez pass intended for Matthews in the corner of the end zone. Maxwell got up and celebrated the play a little. He definitely plays (and practices) with a swagger.
Good stuff. I think Maxwell is going to be a fan favorite if he’s anywhere near as good as the hype.
You can also count BLG as one of those impressed by Bradford.
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PE.com has notes of their own.
On Monday, Dennis Kelly worked with the first-team offense at right guard. Allen Barbre has manned the left guard position, so the Eagles have allowed Andrew Gardner, Matt Tobin and now Kelly the opportunity to take reps with the starters.
Last year, the depth was necessary as 10 different players started at least one game along the offensive line. Kelly, a fourth-year vet, started three games.
“It’s good to get an opportunity, obviously,” Kelly said. “You have to produce when given the opportunity, so just to have the opportunity is a good thing.”
The experience up front is good, but there is concern among some outside observers that the combination of age and last season’s injuries mean the depth will be tested again.
“I don’t necessarily understand why. We have a lot of guys who are proven. Obviously, it was unfortunate last year because of all the injuries, but it got guys a lot of playing time they wouldn’t have had if we stayed healthy,” Kelly said. “I just find it interesting that even though we have proven guys who played a lot of games last year and in their careers it just doesn’t make sense why they’re hating on the depth.”
No matter who eventually starts up front, the Eagles want to renew their focus and commitment to the run game in 2015 after adding DeMarco Murray and Ryan Mathews in free agency.
“We always pride ourselves on having a very good run game since Chip (Kelly) has been here. The moves that we made this offseason I think show that we want to get it going,” Kelly said. “You can tell there was an attitude that we have to fix, because we did so well that first year. It seemed like we were able to run the ball whenever we wanted to. This year, we want to focus on getting back to that.”
Interesting stuff.
I like them giving different guys a chance to work with the 1’s. That rewards those that practice well and lets the coaches see how different lineups look in practice. At a certain point, though, you need to try and settle into a groove with a set group of players.
Kelly has the size and ability to be a starting OL in the league. The biggest issue for me is that he doesn’t use his hands/arms well. The whole point in having long arms is to get them on defenders as quickly as possible. Be aggressive. Use your length. Control the DL. Kelly is too passive. I think he worries about missing and then getting off balance. It would be great if the coaches could ever get him to put it all together. At this point, you just have to wonder if that will ever happen. It sounds like he’s having another solid spring. The challenge for him is to build on that and legitimately challenge for playing time.
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Fans have to remember that the offensive lineman ARENT even competing yet. They don’t have pads on, and it’s imPossible to have an OL competition without seeing how you can move defenders… Right now, the OL literally ISNT competing for spots yet. Chip reminded us it takes a lot of cooperation for the DL to practce against the OL this time of year
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We might as well stop talking about who is getting reps with who on the OL this time of year, because the coaches ARENT evaluating them in those terms yet and they can’t at that position until pads come on.
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Right now, it’s all just about getting lineman as many snaps as possible on video so we can go back in the meeting room and see what Technque needs to be corrected…. NOTHING that will happen before training camp is going to give us any real clues over who ends up starting on OL..
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I will say, don’t assume it’s just the Babre and Tobin show, Andrew Gardner can play his way into a RG spot, and who knows what level Kelly and Graf are at right now..
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Some other positions can be looked at as competitions right now, but even that’s a stretch…. But when it comes to OL and DL, no one can “step up” and win spots right now because the competition hasn’t started yet
Tuesday’s thoughts from OTAs/ Chip’s presser:
Wolff and Mathis seem all but done as Eagles
Thurmond/Rowe are impressing coaches
Agholor looks GOOD.
RB trio should be elite
Ertz’s blocking has improved (Can we cut Celek and extend one of our young guys please? DeMeco next?)
Maxwell has impressed Chip (although he got beaten by Coop today– guess anyone can beat you when you take a play off)
Boykin was actually rotating in with 1s at practice today! GASP
Disclaimer: It’s OTAs in June– but what else do we have to talk about?
we need a disclaimer above each post that says this ha
I didn’t get that impression from chip talking about Mathis…
Unless he goes Full TO … ya NEVER go full TO .. partial TO but never full to
Either that or COOP is better/has improved also…
COOP!
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Why would you cut Celek at this point? It isn’t like they have great depth after Ertz. Burton is a ST player until he proves otherwise.
“It’s good to get an opportunity, obviously,” Kelly said. “You have to produce when given the opportunity, so just to have the opportunity is a good thing.”
“Opportunity opportunity opportunity,” Kelly later added.
Either the dude is a box of rocks, or he took well to his media coaching.
Today Chip made some interesting comments:
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Travis Long is looking good at OLB and Special teams, and chip revealed he would have made the roster last year had he not gotten injured in Late August.
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thurmond is doing well at safety, he is always around the ball and leads the DBs in terms of made plays(breaking up passes, stripping balls, INTs)… Nice to hear that he is impressing so soon in his transition to a new position..
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mathis, chip hasn’t talked to yet, and when reminded we will have to make a decision soon on him making the roster, chip said we will just take it as it goes
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At the end of every Runningback meeting, Murray gathers up the RBs and they compare notebooks
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Chip praised Byrons work ethic, competitive streak, attention to technique,,, There is NO HYPE when it comes to Byron Maxwell, this man has been battle tested as much as any top CB in the league, and held his own performing at a very high level… This isn’t a guy who got paid, got his ring and will kick up his feet and be lazy from here on out… He talks about being addicted to the feeling of winning, and he is another guy that does t have a “fixed mindset”, after all his success he is still looking to grow as a player…Byron will prove to be MONEY WELL SPENT, the Anti NNamdi if you will….
Great. Now you’re copying and pasting your posts.
Get your own blog.
geagle: But no one listened to me before!
Seriously?! Pure hilarity.
GEAGLE, what do three commas at the end of sentence punctuate? Is that meant to convey you are in significant thought before moving to your next point?
Not surprised to hear that Barkley and Sanchez both look better then last year. I would be more surprised if they haven’t improved having another year in this system, and Both being another year removed from the surgery issue….
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I doubt Tebow will be much competition for Barkley with 3years experience in this offense. I will be very surprised to see Barkley not make this roster.
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it’s good that QBs we decide to bring back look noticiavly better then last year, how much better is the question? I don’t get the impression that an “a improved” Barkley is ready to threaten sanchez #2 spot, but I don’t think TEBOW can take Barkleys spot either. unless a team offers like a 5th round pick for Barkley, I awould be pretty surprised if he wasn’t on our roster again this year….
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Even tho it sounds like they have improved, most reports I saw were that Bradford is Noticably a better passer then the rest of our QBs..
Tim McManus points out that Wolff had “mini microfracture” surgery in November, and at the time he told the media he should be a full go by April or May…. We are approaching Mid June and he has yet to practice with team mates, although Dr. James Andrews fully cleared him weeks ago…
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I’m not familiar with “mini microfracture” surgery or its timetable for return. I had hoped that when we finally correctly diagnosed him with Lesions in his knee, he would finally get the correct treatment and he could put this behind him…. Yet we are still here, we are still with a discrepancy between what the doctors say, and how Wolff feels… Frustrating.
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For his sake, I hope he can be ready to go for the mndatory training camp, but when he does get back on the field, he better find a way to stay on the field because i don’t think chip will,have,much patiemce left for him coming back and sitting out camp practices or preseason games every TIme he gets banged up… To save his eagle career, I think he needs to either go on IR, or come back, stay on the field and win a roster spot, I don’t think he will make the roster ever again off of “potential”, not when we are in year 3 and he has been playing in the same scheme the entire time…. Time to perform
Wolff has a decision ahead of him and I respect that since he’s the one that deals with the consequences. And there isn’t really a wrong answer. He can choose to pursue his life’s dream with everything he has, push through the pain and possibly risk his long term health if he feels he isn’t ready, or he can opt not to and possibly have regrets for the rest of his life. The longer he waits the longer he risks the coaches making the decision for him.
My guess is he’s hoping to get as right as he can by skipping the optional activities and be in the best form he can be in for the mandatory stuff. Either way he better be ready to put a compelling case through mini camp and camp. He’s got to dig out of the hole he’s dug for himself.
there actually is an option 3 which is somewhat possible. If he just doesnt feel right in his knee, waits too long and gets dumped. Another teams takes a flier on him the following season or whenever and he actually plays well enough to make a squad. From there, who knows. I suppose thats also possible as there are always fringe guys who get brought in. This Couplin kid, Kenny Phillips (although he was proven already) but you get the idea.
true enough. He has the talent to get into somebody’s camp (he’s more talented than any “camp-body”) and from there you get your shot.
If Wolff was a 2nd/1st round draft pick I’d be more concerned but we can get another 5th round safety next year if he doesn’t work out.
Sooner or later this kid will figure it out. He isn’t Jaqwain Jarrett. do not want to see him go on and realize his full potential for someone else, especially without him having a fair shot to really show what he can do, kid hasn’t been healthy since Rookie year, I’d like to see him play after his rookie season before we give up on his talent.
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he claims to have put in a ton of work with Malcolm Jenkins in the film room this offseason, and is feeling good about how well he knows this offense, he sounds pretty confident about how he will perform in Camp….
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I think Wolff actually did some of the individual drills today. he sounds confidemt that he will be a full go for Camp, but I was hoping he would be ready to go for next weeks mandatory camp
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Im hoping he will participate in mandatory camp, you dont think so? I mean besides it not looking promising, I guess Im thinking its possible
No clue… He said its progressing, he said he actually,started to join the team for individual drills, will he be ready to play next week mandatory camp? No clue..
heres hoping that a little bity mini micro surgery doesn’t keep him from a FULL career
(seeeee what I done?? contrast the synonymus)
Its sad because im rooting for him but he sounds like one of those guys who cant push through pain.
Rumor: 49ers may trade Kapernick for draft picks…. Kind of makes sense since they are practically forced to rebuild….
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Bradford has a much higher upside then Kapernick, and we are already down a 2nd round pick next year…. II wouldn’t want to give up on Bradford for Kapernick, but if the Niners would be willing to take Sanchez to be their transition QB and a few draft picks, I wouldn’t mind grooming Kapernick behind Bradford lol… Heck send Barkley and Sanchez back to California for all I care…. Tho I am excited to see Sanchez in His 2nd year
they want quite a bit… if we didn’t have the 6 Million Dollar Man (Bradford) then I would be interested.
I’m not much of a KAp fan… But if we can take a flier at him as our back up, I would be interested,., but he isn’t someone I like enoufh to bring in as a starting QB, and he will cost starting QB compensation…
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MIght be a good option for The Bills or jets to trade for.
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I would mention the Browns but those idiots are busying raving about the 47yr old journey man QB they signed
God they looked like they’d be a power house for years (with your typical ups and downs). That damn thing imploded so fast. Hell they might have had a shot in hell of rebuilding too if Harbaugh was still around. Now the 9ers fans get to watch their team get kicked around by the Rams and Cards for the foreseeable future. That front office needs to be rebuilt.
oh man, they are going to be terrible you just know it. One less team to worry about, love it
Meanwhile the Ravens keep chugging along with the better Harbaugh.
You’d either have beg SF to take the 1-legged Bradford.
Or cut him.
If the Eagles acquired Kaepernick’s salary, the team would be at or over the cap (even assuming Bradford’s gone).
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Happy to be corrected with data.
Where exactly did you see this rumor?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. I want no parts of that piece of garbage scrambling bum on my roster.
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Well said MM.
Cary Williams definitely does not believe in the Chip Kelly experiment.
“Whatever that is they’re creating, I didn’t believe it.”
-Cary Williams-
Need he say more as to why he is not in Philly anymore?
P.S.
“We was talking about the fact that our conditioning and things like was going to kick in because we worked harder than everybody in the National Football League with the Chip Kelly thing,” -Cary Williams-
….Sconces grammar are turrible…. I liked Cary for a few minutes when he was here.
good riddance, he and his fake tough guy act couldnt be gone fast enough.
i would love to see him get into a fight with Andre Johnson… pretty sure he would look like Cortland Finnegan when he fought him.
….this was awesome.
Even better!
Disrespecting the boss publicly is bad enough, but throwing his teammates under the bus was worse. eg. some safety was supposed to come help me, whine.
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poor cary what a shame for such a tough guy to not be able to handle a practice
I miss the days on this blog before one poster started writing >50% of the comments.
When were those days?
It all came crashing to an end on January 18, 2015:
That’s… a literally unbelievable number of comments in such a short time.
the date is not right. I’ve been here much longer, and I think he has always been here.
Nah he came over a couple years back.
Emerged at BGN and got run off quickly.
Annoyed the hell out of 24/7, and then got banned.
Has spammed us since then.
He creates new accounts every few months.
I know because you try to scroll back in user history to find a dumbass quote and it only goes back a few months.
He hasn’t always been here, but it seems that way.
Like how Jack has always been at the Overbrook hotel?
It doesn’t seem that way to me. For a long time IgglesBlitz was a refuge from posters of his ilk.
There are no other posters of his ilk. No one has his startling productivity, no one can match his stream of uncensored nonsense. He’s not a troll, trying to get a reaction, he actually seems to believe what he says. Apparently, he feels Tommy’s blog is an appropriate place to record every Eagles-related spark of the synapse that occurs in his brain. His malicious outbursts are only directed at those who attack him or “the Philly media”. It’s an almost endearingly innocent form of solipsism. Almost.
I agree with you. What I meant was that it seems like he’s been here awhile because of the outrageous number of posts of his. And before IgglesBlitz was IgglesBlog, another haven.
i just checked mine…. I’ve been a member since Dec. 2013 and have 580 comments….. wow. I gotta step my game up…. i think i am around 30 comments/month…. 1/day makes sense….. we are seeing unprecedented numbers here…. he is averaging 1,400/month…46/day…..1.9/hr……those are like A-Rod contract numbers.
That’s a sad, sad comment to upvote ratio.
im sofa KING FIRED UP ALREADY IMA COMPELTE DRATER ALREADY !! I said HUff’s gonna be great and Sanchez is a steal and Bradofrd the call and Murray gonna LOVE being here and keep every LB we can get!!! I said all that all along !!! PASS ME MORE GREEN KOOL ADE y’all loving it
This reads like the lyrics to a musical score.
I figured GEagle had a new handle…
WOW!!! mathis clearly is losing respect of his teammates,
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Zack Ertz was asked about Mathis. His response, “out of site, out of mind”
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More shocking Jason Peters who formed a lethal left side tandem with Mathis didn’t have his bag, sounds pissed that everyone is working hard but Mathis, Jason Peters even talked about Barbre as the current starter and said he doesn’t even know if Evan would win his spot back if and when he comes back…
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When Team mates take the side of management over a fellow player trying to get paid, that probably means the player is being greedy and unreasonable..
Mathis made what last year? 5? 6mil for only playing 9 games? Did the eagkes ask him to give half of his salary back when he only played half the year?
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This Evan Mathis situation should come to a resolution at next weeks mandatory camp.. Hopefully he comes back in good shape, and earns his team mates respect back…
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Nice to see Barbre earning Peters respect
Pretty rich that Peters is poor mouthing Mathis.
He (Peters) was an actual T.C. holdout with Buffalo — which didn’t sit very well with his teammates. Forced his way to the Eagles a year later.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/216/peters-holdout-lacks-a-cheering-section
Does that experience make Peters a good teammate? Or a good company man?
Or just the kind of “high-character” guy who gets busted for drag racing and fleeing the police that every team should have?
Please provide a line in which he actually poor mouthed him.
He didn’t bad mouth him, but the fact that he would even comment on a teammate contract dispute is telling.. Players typically stay out of each other’s disputes with management… Considering Mathis isn’t accomplishing anything by not working with the team, I guess his teammates have a point. It’s not like Mathis holdout will get him more money from the Eagles so there really is no upside of not being out there with his teammates… And when you made good money last year and only gave the Eagles half a season of service, seems like Mathis is in a lose/Lose… .. peters didn’t exactly rip Mathis, he just said that Evan is the only one not with the guys who are out their putting in work every day, and he gave a big compliment to how Barbre was looking playing next to him and basically said with the way Barbre is playing, Mathis is giving someone a chance to take his spot…..
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Kelce took the neutral stance I would have expected from players
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The fact Peters would even talk about it is telling..
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And Zack Ertz revealed teammates distancing themselves from Mathis, with the “out of site, out of mind comment”
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Next weeks mandatory mini camp should be interesting
if he’s back it’s the past is the past. mathis’ twitter has gotten really quiet.
I think he got some bad advice from Rosenhaus. Now he had pennance to pay to get back in good graces.
I think Rosenhaus realizes he’s probably not getting a new contract (or as lucrative contract) in two years. Strike now and he gets a higher cut from the signing bonus/conract. Wait two years and he’s not getting that much.
My godfather was actually the engineer responsible for investigating the technical aspects of Peters’ Roll-A-Bout lawsuit. He was telling me about what he found and I gotta say my opinion of Peters did not improve with that info.
Was he drag racing with the Roll-A-Bout though his house? If so, who was he racing?
Need more info.
Peters was a TC holdout because he wanted to be paid like a franchise LT after he had made two pro bowls and was still young.
Mathis didnt play a position of importance, already signed a good contract and is old.
so the report is that the eagles offered mathis a raise in 2014 he turned it down and then said he wanted it this year and they said that offer doesn’t exist anymore dumbass.
get to work mathis.
He is silly to assume an offer made at beginning of 2014 season(before he missed 7 games due to injury) would/should still be available after season is over and the person who made the offer(Roseman) is no longer in charge.
The offer reportedly came in september 2014. So sounds like it wasnt a real raise, but just wanted to give him 1 mill now for less in the future
McLane’s article(after the PFT article) said that it wasn’t a true $1M raise but a smaller raise with the addition of incentives in the contract that combined could let him earn $1M more. At the time, he probably wanted more of a straight up raise. Now, a year older and coming off a year where he missed 7 games, he’s like “NOW, I’ll take it, Howie!” while Howie looks up from playing X-Box in his “office” and says “Don’t look at me!”
Sounds like bad advice from his agent.
How can that be true? Who the hell has ever turned down a raise?
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raise equals MORE MONEY, who is going to turn down MORE money? “You know what chip, I appreciate the offer, but keep the raise, I have no use for extra money”-said no one EVER!!!
Mathis is a true original
We do not have the details, but might just have been a raise in 2014 for less future money.
Found the source.
https://www.facebook.com/officialslamball/videos/10153097999859064/
I wouldn’t mind taking a look at this kid.
Both Vick and McNabb were better from the pocket, when they had one. I’m happy to have a real QB again, too, but Bradford is something of a rich man’s Alex Smith.
Explain. Bradford has a way better arm but is way less mobile.
Bradford is going to need one hell of a tan to get shah8 to explain anything.
Don’t you mean a poor man’s Joe Webb?
All quarterbacking is always better from the pocket.
Yeah! Tony Clifton’s back!
Until he proves otherwise, Bradford is a poor man’s Alex Smith. Bradford may throw a pretty ball, and people like the fact that he went #1, but Smith has done way more in this league than SB.
I thought we got rid of agenda man.
Anyone know where I can find the Mark Sanchez interview from today where he spoke about Demarco being the perfect RB for this offense? It’s not on PE, anyone see it yet?
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I saw it. Sanchez said when he play faked a hand off to him, Murray handed him a basket of chicken tenders.
“Bro that’s racist.”
-LeSean McCoy-
“If it aint black, its racist.” – LeSean McCoy
“You know that’s right” – Al Sharpton-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROwRFzf_As
The Cavs are playing with heart. Very fun to watch.
What’s not fun is refs and commentators. Just like the NFL. Shady like the NFL.
Delavadova = long snapper…
he and mosgov basically mvps.
Disclaimer: warriors fan
“Fun” in the same way the Devils used to ugly up the games versus the Flyers. The Cav’s are doing what they need to to win, but I don’t find one person holding the ball until 4 seconds left on the shot clock all that fun to watch.
If the Cavs was actually healthy like the Warriors, they wouldnt need to do it.
Also no matter if Lebron holds the ball for 20 sec, the Warriors should still dominate.
Disclaimer: F Iguodala.
I’d love to see the Warrior wins a title, but I don’t hate Cleveland. What I do hate is a false prophet who puts himself out there as the next AI, demands a near-max deal from his team while failing to deliver any meaningful wins, and pouts / squirms rather than accept responsibility when the team fails to achieve any success while he’s being paid like a superstar to lead the team.
F Iguodala.
Iggy never put him self out there as the next AI, it was the media and fans.
By having his agent put a contract demand on that level, he put himself out there to be judged through the lens of a superstar.
Additionally, the fans and the media didn’t choose to put him at the center of several seasons worth of promotions as the franchise player; that was a decision Iggy made to involve himself with while here.
yea screw Iggy for maximizing his value. He knew he wasnt a Kobe or AI superstar, but he was still good enough to demand a max contract (a max contract grossly undervalues the superstars)
Even my non sports fan wife knows he’s the guy who can’t hit his free throws. That being said, he has been terrific this series.
They are running at and knocking out Eric Lindros? Poor guy.
We talked a lot about Sachize’s noodle arm last year — wonder how much that was related to his surgery. Be interested to see how his game changes this year.
Chip and Sanchize both mentioned that the shoulder affected his throwing motion last year. Sanchize also said it resulted in a few INTs.
My understanding is his improved arm strength has been on display… I don’t think I ever heard a QB rip his own noodle arm the way Sanchez talks about how shirty his arm was last year…. You don’t draw that much attention to a deficiency like Lack of arm strength in the media, if you aren’t certain that you are throwing much harder today…
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As much as he has made fun of his own lack of arm strength, I believe him when he says its night and day compared to how weak it was last year…. With that said, reports have stated that Bradfords arm is clearly head and shoulders above our other QBs,,, and he has been praised for his accuracy these past two days
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Very excited to see Sanchez in open practice and the preseason. I will always expect a hard working player to be much better his second year in an offense, then he was in year 1….
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If we have to play Sanchez this year we should aee improvement in plenty of areas:
1) command of the offense (should be able to really play fast this year)
2) Significantly improved arm strength
3) Increased Chemistry with the WR’s
4) And last but not least, he should look different playing with our healthy offense then in last years mess. last year we were so screwed up Chip had to ask Sanchez to throw 50 times in a game, which isn’t his game. Not only should Sanchez get better blocking, but he should be able to play behind a potent run game that will help him tremendously
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If you saw Chip ask Sanchez to throw 50 times in a game, it’s probably a clear clue that we are watching a dysfunctional version of chips offense. vhip wants to run the Ball, Establish the run, and the game should be easier for the Sanchize
Sanchez has enough physical talent, but he’s kind of dumb. You can’t fix stupid.
No fair backing up your own point…
I am surprised Stafford scored so highly……. and that Eli is not legally mentally handicapped.
These aren’t the SATs
I wonder how similar the ASVAB and Wunderlic are?
The wunderlic from my understanding is primarily about reading comprehension
Here are some sample questions. They seem like simple logic with some math word problems that don’t reach higher than basic division:
http://www.wonderlic.com/sites/default/files/SLE%20Sample%20Questions_1.pdf
I got two wrong: #3 and #9. #10 took me a couple of minutes without paper/pen, but I got it in the end. I’m not sure if you are allowed to use a pen and paper for the math parts.
To be fair these may be better indicators of general intelligence that he sats.
Perhaps “stupid” was a simplification. I don’t think Randal Cunningham nor Donovan McNabb were stupid, but they didn’t exactly seem to have their heads in the game either. I think of Sanchez in that same category: He’s got all the physical ability, but his head is not where it needs to be to succeed as an NFL QB.
But I hear the chicken tenders are good.
I’m so glad this guy is gone. I hated him from the time they picked him up, I was never a fan.
Cary Williams will always be partially ok (although now that part is smaller) because he was part of the effort by Baltimore to keep those gigantic pieces of garbage Jim Harbaugh and Colin Kaepernick from hoisting a trophy.
Dude’s got to pander to the new team. whatever…
Like DRC pointing at the safety to shift blame on one blown play, Scones has to blame the program for why he blew two for entire seasons.
He wasn’t that good in Baltimore, either.
His comment about Chip being out coached has some validity. Hopefuly Kelly continues to improve in that area.
Not hard to out-coach the 2014 Eagles: game plan, throw at 26.
And 24. Throw a double move at 29. Chalk up the “W”.
It’d be easier to believe if Cary’s penalties against DAL and WSH didn’t directly lead to costly points. HIs fake tough guy act is terrible to deal with since he can’t back it up. Good riddance.
it’s because he was tired for half the season. the team really did seem to break down those last couple of games, the DBs at least.
Cary’s been on successful teams, he’s won a chip – regardless of how you feel about him as a player he knows about being on a winning organization. Clearly SEA isn’t doing it how we do.
Wait, so you’re telling me that he got personal fouls and PIs in those two games specifically because he was tired half of the season? His penalties were because he’s a fake tough guy. If he was fresh enough to get into after the whistle shoving matches, he was fresh to cover in the first place.
Let’s be real, he was crying about being tired since the Colts game despite barely practicing that week.
When you’re tired it’s easier to “lose technique”. I put technique in quotes b/c who knows what they were teaching last year.
His comments were centered around his issues w/ the amount of work we put in, said we weren’t as fresh at the end of the season. He’s not really saying anything he wasn’t saying all last year.
But my point is that his actions cost us points. Blaming tiredness for PI calls in the endzone or personal fouls resulting in points isn’t about losing technique, IMO.
The DBs broke down when the inside LBs broke down, and the safeties started to bite on intermediate routes more than they had previously. Casey Matthews and a slowed down Kendricks (who has the speed to be a better coverage guy than he has shown when healthy) created one more hole in pass coverage, and that was at least 2 too many holes to cover consistently.
So has Maragos and Maxwell. Maragos had about as much impact as CW did with the Ravens and Maxwell is a far superior corner to CW. They seem to really like the feel of this organization.
CW is a prima donna and IMO doesn’t seem to like to put in the work to be better. That’s where the tough guy act comes in. He thinks (I have no opinion on this) that if he can get in your head, then he has the advantage. Sometimes it works, other times you gotta lace up and play.
Iverson-practice.youtube
not really.
turnovers dropped TDs, penalties by Cw, many reasons we could have won more games that had nothing to do with being out coached.
Have to agree. Let’s keep trying the same three plays when the other team’s defense is shutting it down every single time.
I think he will improve. I know I’m a CK fan, but I’m willing to admit he made some mistakes last year. He’s been limited a bit, but he’s got a much different team and running game this year. He lost trust in McCoy, and for better or worse it showed up in his coaching on game days. Foles and Sanchez are not carrying the team, and if we are in a position next season where Sanchez has to carry the team, we are in serious trouble.
I don’t see CK as a Reid-type that will wait 3-4 years to see if something will pan out. Either it works or it doesn’t, and he does make changes when he falls short in an area. Whether that works out remains to be seen.
I concur.
Is anybody else trying to put the Mathis stuff on mental block until he either is in camp or gets cut?
This is all still static over voluntary (i.e. not required) mini-camp work that his employer has no right to compel him to attend.
I’m on record being terrified of our options at guard beyond Mathis, but contract / no contract stuff isn’t a big deal to me because we’re only seeing it debated in the press or with people ascribing intent to quotes from players.
I think we’ll have more to evaluate once we see some live snaps vs. other teams.
Meh, we have to deal wth it one more week, we will get clarity next Thursday when Mandatory camp starts..
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I find the handling of Barbre interesting…. last year, we knew Lane was suspended, and for the entire training camp Barbre was practicing as the starting RT…. At no point last pffseason was he taking snaps at Guard. They had a clear vision for Barbre last year, yet this offseason he is spending most of his time at LG, even tho there is a Chance Mathis comes back, pushing Barbre to the Right side… Why is Barbre linnning up mostly at LG? Message to Mathis?….
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If Mathis joins the team next week, will Barbre see snaps at RG? When and if mathis comes back, chip won’t just role out the red carpet and let Mathis jump right in with the 1’s… Mathis will start off on the 2nd or 3rd team behind Barbre.
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in the NFL, they will always look to replace you with someone younger and cheaper.. Which is why veterans play thru pain, not wanting a youngbuck to get on thee field and prove that he should replace the veteran… mathis Absence is allowing th coaches to get looks at some Of the young guys, and is giving a guy like Barbre an opportunity to impress and steal his starting RG spot.
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IF Mathis does get his starting spot back, I’m curious if Barbre will then start at RG, or will Tobin and Andrew Gardner win that RG spot keeping Barbre on the bench as our top reserve?
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Nice to finally get answers a week from now
Didn’t they say something to the effect that Barbre has shown that he’s a “left side” player and struggles on the right? I know he started on the right last year for Lane but I thought someone, Stoutland, I think, made mention that he’s way better on the left.
Tired of Mathis crap, and these ridiculuos athletes who want to sign these long 4-5yr deals and then after the first year of the deal they decide they should be making more money… Tôugh shit, shouldn’t have signed the contract.. If you think you are better then WHATS being offered, grow some balls like Maclin did, bet on yourself and sigń a shorter, 1 or 2 year deal
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I don’t want to hear about how it’s not fair that owners can cut you whenever, Tôugh Shit! That’s no ones fault other then the players association bending over and letting the owners rape them during collective bargaining agreements.
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If Mathis Wasnt happy with the contract he signed, he could have had the balls to sign a shorter deal betting on himself, instead he signed the multi year deal….. Tôugh shit, cry me a river build a bridge and get over it
Maclin had to scrap for that 1 year deal, though. GM’s don’t like giving 1 year deals when they believe in someone precisely because of what happened with Maclin.
According to Howie (back when he got the deal done with Mathis), we let Mathis hit FA, he literally only got 1 offer from Baltimore, and Howie beat that offer. Mathis had no leverage. Wrangling a 1 year deal out of anyone probably wasn’t going to happen. Now he’s not a FA and he doesn’t seem to realize that no one wants to pay him the money he wants. No one even wants to pay him the money we’re paying him (at least not at the cost of a player or draft pick to send to the Eagles). He’s got no leverage, and that sucks for him, but at some point he’s got to put business aside and play ball. Hopefully he can do that and show up for the mandatory activities. The team, that O-line is better with him on it.
“these athletes” this is standard drew rosenhaus shit. pretty soon he won’t have any clients on the eagles.
WOW!!! 3rd year first round safety from the Niners, Eric Reid contemplated retiring this offseason because of the concussions,,,
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I don’t think I everr seen anything like this years offseason for the niners.
That must have been a huge topic in the locker room, and something the leaders of the locker room felt very strongly about. I wonder if that is the sort of thing that will keep GM’s up at night. Like “God I hope our players aren’t talking about it like *that*”
someone on that team must have gotten fucked up and scared everyone else. surprise they haven’t addressed the media. half your team retires b/c of mental health, no team comment needed.
I think ESPN touched on it some when Borland retire, but it really seems like, as the NFL’s media arm, they’ve been a bit silent on the topic since.
So the 9ers have the rights to these guys contracts, right? Even if they sit out a year and then say “oops, I change what’s left of my mind?”
yup
I’m gonna kick Cary Williams teeth in.
Tommy, ban GEAGLE please. Thanks!
Tommy, please follow that ban by banning Cafone. Thank you sir.
Also ban TypicalDouche.
And Bert’s Bells and the following commenter.
Well played sir
Safe!
did he hurt your feelings or is he just posting more than you feel is normal?
Since he started showing up here after being banned from other Eagles forums, he has been spewing his shit all over IgglesBlitz discussion threads. I think the forum would be a more pleasant place to visit, as it was before he arrived, if we did not have to view the threads with GEAGLE shit splattered all over them.
Your point about the quantity of his posts is well taken. Certainly the content of his posts, an uninformed stream of conscious rambling often punctuated with violent rape imagery, is of the lowest quality. But if these posts were less frequent it would be easier to follow the postings of the more thoughtful members of the IgglesBlitz community. But as I understand the configuration of Disqus, there is no way to accomplish this.
cant you just minimize his comments?
I had never noticed that minimize button before, thanks!
Of course that’s an individual solution and with the vast amount of his shitposts, it could be quite tedious to minimize each and every one.
I’ll look into writing a script that could be installed with something like Greasemonkey that would automatically minimize all his posts. Maybe Tommy could add a “remove al GEAGLE posts” link on the right sidebar to get the script.
Hey Cafone, I made a GreaseMonkey script like this years ago for Beerleaguer ( http://joelawrence.net/bl ) It’s been a long time since I’ve looked at it, but it might give you some ideas. Good luck!
#1stWorldProblems
Think Kelly has a different definition of “proven” than the rest of us. All they’ve “proven” is that there’s plenty of reason that they’re backups.
well dang i thought kelly knew what he was talking about but if a dude on an internet forum isn’t convinced . . .
What makes you convinced Dennis Kelly knows what he’s talking about as it relates to being “proven”?
he’s a professional offensive lineman in the NFL so his credibility trumps yours or mine. also, he’s literally correct in that the players he’s referencing are “proven” to at least be able to hold up during gametime. he’d be more familiar with the scheme and protection assignments than either of us would be.
Guess we can’t question anything the team says with this brilliant logic. I’ll just sit back and watch all these proven backups dominate the league.
and if they don’t suck will you be prepared to admit that you were a premature boo-bird?
They sucked last year, so as of right now I’m just calling it as I see it. The OL struggled due to the backups last year, a well known fact. Thus, my issue with them being “proven”.
If they miraculously become quality OL I’ll be ecstatic.
you could throw a probowl OL into the fire and when the line doesn’t function at its highest level, the reason might be related to chemistry and time spent working together as opposed to the individual OL sucking. so if they showed potential (according to an assessment by an informed pro) and have time to improve and build chemistry, there’s at least a fifty fifty chance of improvement.
Is this a veiled defense of David Molk, Andrew Gardner, or Matt Tobin? I hope they improve, and of any, Gardner and Tobin have the best shot to do so I think. They were mostly turnstiles last year, and Molk just got abused.
Again, the issue is them being “proven”. As of now, they’re not.
Re-watching the games, and reading some of the more respected guys on here after doing the same, leads me to the conclusion that Tobin doesn’t really belong in the same group as Gardner and Molk. Tobin was actually pretty good in run blocking, where Gardner pretty much stunk and Molk did some things in space well but was brutally soft at the point of attack. Tobin was average (struggled at times, but held his own on average) in pass pro, whereas Molk and Gardner flat-out stunk.
All that said, I had exactly the same reaction you did to Kelly’s statement.
Whoa… Gardner does NOT belong in the category with Molk. Gardner can play, he is Tobins main competitr IMO out of the young OL..
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MOLK however, isn’t an NFL player… he needs to be replaced
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I know Tobin gets all the attention, but don’t sleep on Gardner
Tobin and Gardner ARENT scrubs. Considerng how we moved them all over the place last year playing next to differnt teammates every other week, they showed more promise then Fans/Media seem to think..
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I thnk the Eagles are very high on both young backups…
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Molk however, NEEDS to GO! He isn’t an NFL talent…. I am hoping that two of the UDFA’s can take MOLK and Vanderveldes roster spots
Sucked so much they had the #5 offense in the league with the backup QB playing 8 games.
We were discussing the backups.
Yes, but my point is that they played well considering the changeover during the season. I think 9 different line combinations for the year. I also think Tobin/Barbre played relatively well. I don’t expect first year starters to come in and play Pro-Bowl level. Foles had time and made terrible decisions (one that stands out is the INT in the 1st Giants game). Sanchez after the first couple of weeks seemed shell shocked.
I don’t blame the line for that. All we need is a solid starter, and CK will do the rest (as well as Murray/Mathews).
I’m not saying these guys are going to be world beaters, just that I think they can be solid starters for the year. With LJ at RT and Kelce at C, I think it makes the RG job a little easier.
They can be. I’m not denying that nor was that the point. All I was saying is that D. Kelly calling the backups “proven” is false at this point, unless he has a different standard. All they’ve proven is why they’ve been backups.
That said, Barbre played one game and looked meh, given that he is a “left side OL” playing out of position on the right for Lane. Gardner and Molk blew for the most part, especially Molk. Tobin had flashes. Seems he has the most potential of the three backups that got the most PT. That Wade Smith guy was kind of a waste.
I think we are arguing different points then, so for that I’m sorry. I think the backups proved they can be capable last year. Besides Molk (who seems to be everyone’s favorite punching bag this offseason) I thought all the backups came in and played decently. Tobin’s flashes may be more permanent if he played more. Same with Barbre.
I don’t know much about Kelly – but I did find it curious they didn’t go after any OL in the draft this year. Either the ones they were going to target were gone, or they do feel comfortable with what they have – I seem to think it’s more of the latter than the former.
Our 2nd string OL was DOMINANT last offseason… Problem is, we had so many crazy injuries that guys were playing next to players they had little chemistry with… When that happens, it’s not rational to expect to see the best these kids have to offer…
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If you take all the real life factors into the equation, I can see why coaches might think they have more on the bench. Then fans and media realize…
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Another year of growth and experience, chemistry with their linemates, and young inexperienced kids like Tobin, Gardner, Graf and Kelly should be better then the players we saw last year…
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For the most part people seem to think Barbre and Tobin are ok and the rest of our bench is trash….I’m not so sure,,…. Don’t sleep on Andrew Gardner, think he has a Chance to be good…
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OL is too important, if the coaches didmt think we had more on the bench then fans and media realize, it would have been the first thing they addressed…
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When our backups sucked, we saw chip make it a point to stock pile depth… Look what he did with ILB depth and CB depth. We have more talent then we ever had on the bench…. If coaches werent high on the young backups on our OL, it would have been the first positipn they addressed… NEVER did Chip talk about the need to improve OL depth, yet that’s how he felt was needed at ILB and CB..
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For a coach who cut Herremans, and knew about the uncertainty with Mathis, I think it’s extremely foolish to think our backups suck… All our actions point to coaches who think we have more on our bench then the fan/media narrative,…. hopefully the coaches are right…
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I highly doubt chip and stoutland would work with these same kids every day for years now. If they weren’t showing constant growth and were as bad as fans and media seem to think
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Unknown doesn’t always equal BAD….
I’m not reading all of this. In reference to your opening statement that they were dominant in the offseason. That’s encouraging for backups, but let’s not act like they were beating up on any first teamers. Our backups beat backups. Not much else to read into that.
Our backups beat up on the players that were put in front of them… I’d be more doom n gloom about seeing our backups get beat up on everyhe elses backups, instead they were flat out Dominant when you saw,them play next to teammates they built chemistry with over the summer…
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But you are welcome to disagree and assume that chip is carrying around a Bunch of worthless trash on our bench for you… You are welcome to assume every player THATS unproven to a fan is a bum…
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We will find out soon enough…. I have seen chip not afraid to cut some of our best talent because it was good but not good enough, I find it hard to believe he has guys like Tobin on our bench for 3’years who are worthless…
On the surface, that’s a valid point. But I think you have to look a bit deeper. If the backups aren’t the same people, and they aren’t playing the same positions, the logic doesn’t work. In other words, just because player X did not perform well starting at right tackle, it does not mean player Y will have the same results playing left guard.
The point still stands that they aren’t proven at this juncture. That’s all the discussion was about.
point granted
The backups weren’t playing next to lineman they had built chemistry with… When you saw our 2nd string OL play together in the preseason, they were dominant against other teams backups…..
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You are judging Kids Off of like the first 5 NFL games they ever played in, while they were playing next to Lineman they hadn’t built chemistry with..
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I Have NO IDEA how good these kids will grow to become… But I do Know that You haven’t seen the best these kids are capable of, judging them from their first 5 games in a highly dysfunctional situation…not to mention we are talking about young players that work hard, who should be better then the players we saw a year ago…
You missed the point. I took issue with Kelly’s statement that they’re proven. Your second paragraph proves my point. They’ve played a few games, and didn’t look good. You can only attribute so much to chemistry. At some point, ability to block the man across from you matters. Obviously the coaches feel like these guys can grow in a serviceable players, hopefully on a starter level. But for D. Kelly to call them proven is false.
Would be curious to know what you’ve seen from Gardner that makes you hopeful. He wasn’t significantly better than Molk. Better, yes, but not by a wide margin. Tobin looked the best of the bunch but he was garbage is pass pro. He was definitely better in run. Just my opinion.
Every single player in the hall of fame was unproven at some point..For the dysfunctional mess Gardner was placed in, I thought he handled himself well all things considered… Whats unproven to me and you, isn’t as unproven to coaches who have seem work every day for the past two years and have charted their growth…
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OL and DL, the two positipn NO COACH devalues.., we cut Herremans when we didn’t have to, we knew what the deal with Mathis was, yet Orlando Franklin was the ONLY Free agent OL they offered a contract to, and didn’t feel any urgency to fill the positipn in the draft,.,. I can assure you this isn’t the behavior of a coach who thinks his bench is filled with a bunch of OL trash… OL is one position, you don’t have to worry about your coach devaluing no matter what scheme he runs…
They’re unproven. They’ve done nothing in games, which are what matter, thus, they’re unproven. The coaches think they can come around, and I hope they’re right. But aside from a top 5 pick, the coaches have done little to give me the blind faith you have that the staff can coach these UDFAs up to starting caliber. Saying that HOFers were once unproven doesn’t make the point. They all start from the draft or UDFA status, so, it’s really just pointing out the obvious.
Cutting Herremans paves the way for them to prove it. He was becoming dead weight and was only marginally better than the play of our backups. I hate it, because I love the Toddfather and wanted him to retire here, but he wasn’t worth the cap hit.
What makes you think that a respected coach like Stoutland is wasting his 3rd offseason, trying to grow a guy who is destined to be a scrub?.. Dennis Kelly has survived back surgeries, coaching changes, yet our coaches who have little patience for Bullshit, spent two years growing him, and there is a great chance he is brought back for a 3rd season. I doubt a coach is going to keep our 9th lineman for 3’years if he is hopeless. he would be cut and we would be seeing his roster spot treated as a revolving door, to bring in young Undrafted OL to take Fliers on, until we find a hidden Gem if coaches ARENT seeing enough progress in Kelly… doubt you last on a chip kelly roster for 2-3 years if you aren’t showing constant growth
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Dennis Kelly may be unproven to you, But any time Chip Kelly or Stoutland wants, he can stick Fletcher Cox in front of him, and find out quickily what level Kelly is at… this is a Guy who coaches have seen every day for what will be the 3rd summer. While he is an unknown to me and you, for 3’summers he has been tested daily against one of the elite young DL’s in the game..YEARS Stoutland and Chip have seen What D. kelly can do against elite, dominant monster like Fletcher Cox. can he handle the explosion off the snap of Vinny Curry? Can he hold his own against the Technician Cedrick Thormton?, can he handle the size and long arms of Bennie Logan?
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there is a reason why we have kept guys like Tobin and Kelly for two seasons. Coaches have seen them every day for what will be 3 years, and we have ELITE Defensive Line to test them against…See how much emphasis Chip has put on ILB and CB depth this offseason? You can bet, OL depth would have moved to the top of Chips list if he wasn’t legitimately High on some of our young, “unproven” Backups…..Every player in the hall of fame, was unproven at some point…
I don’t think Dennis Kelly can handle the monster Cox.
There’s so many mom jokes and “that’s what she said” jokes that could be had here.
But, I don’t think there’s that many OL in the league that can match up with him 1v1.
They can’t. It’s an unfair barometer for any OL.
Yeah? I don’t think there are many starting OL in the division that even have a chance of handling the monster Cox… .. The Giants DONT have a single OL that can block him….other then Trent Williams and Tyrone Smith, he will toy with lineman in tjis Division in 2015…
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Fletcher is a Savage,,, Dude puts the OX in COX!!!
Cary Williams definitely seems like the type of guy that would go around bashing his ex girlfriends. No story here. *Yawn*
Maybe she was asking him to do too much and he didn’t feel fresh…
or they had disagreements about interior design
Tebow throwing a fade? With how long he takes to throw the ball, can we really call it a fade?
Off topic everyone, but you should all read this interview with Jason Peters its awesome. The guy remembers damn near every sack he gives up and works his ass off in the film room and weight room to correct any mistakes he makes. Such a beast.
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http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jason-peters-aims-prove-he-can-return-form
Love this man. as accomplished as he is, he is always being praised by coaches as one of the veterans who stay after practice to work with our young players. we all know how amazing he is as a player, but he usually isn’t credited for being one of our best Leaders. think he has been under rated in that regaurd.
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it’s really awesome that we have quality veterans at every position who stay late and show up early every day to be there for young players trying to improve. we really have leaders everywhere:
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Meco and Barwin are awesome resources for our young LB’s.
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Jenkins does a lot for us, from showing up at 6am everyday to watch extra film with Earl Wolff, to staying Late after practice to work with a group of DBs and WRs..
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Demarco Murray leadership has been called “intense” by chip. he has the RBs sharing and comparing their notes after every Practice. murray has the reputation of being one of the smartes(Football IQ) RBs in the game. A guy like Mathew Tucker is getting some ridiculuos mentoring being able to pick then rains of two first round RBs in Murray/Mathews and the extremely well respected Sproles who coaches adore…
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both Peters and Kelce are great mentors for the young Lineman
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Miles Austin allegedly has been a really good addition for a team that is counting on youth at the WR position. Cooper was really the only veteran we had, appreciate having a humble, hardworking, 10yr veteran like Miles Austin to help our young investments, Jordan,Huff and Agholor
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What I like the most about what Chip has done, starting with rearranging who players get dressed next to in the locker room, is he built a team that’s full of high character, and made this a REAL TEAM… it’s not the Offense vs. the Defene… It’s not guys only interacting with guys at their position every day. This is becoming a completely United team.
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It’s one thing to see Jason Peters working with young OL and Jenkins working with Young Safeties, but it’s really great to have a team, where the hall of fame Left Tackle takes the time to help groom the young OLB. It’s great to see our prized free agents Maxwell and Malcolm Jenkins taking the time to help grow WR’s like Jordan Mathews and Agholor…. This is a real United pro team, and that shouldn’t be taken for granted in a league that’s typically pretty segregated by position groupings.
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it’s GREAT to sign a free agent from a quasi Dynasty in seattle, and he is instantly raving about this locker room, and the character and talemts of his new team mates.. Maxwell said “first and foremost we don’t have any selfish players in this locker room which is crucial to a winning team”… Maxwell hasn’t come n and made any crazy comments about how we are going to win becaus Bradford will look like Montana, or because our defense will be better then seattle… All he has really talked about is being impressed with the Character and work ethic of his new teammates and the coaching he is Recieving… And its awesome to see a highly respected Champion come in and have these impressions of the locker room chip is built..
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It’s like every year, we are replacing a few more players, with more Selfless, driven, hard working, classy, Chip kelly type players, and now we are seeing a roster that has built a CULTIRE to whete a selfish player would stick out like a sore thumb on this team
Some are short, but 11 paragraphs?!?
Thanks for the link. My favorite football players tend to be the guys in the Offensive skill positions or the guys on D who make the plays and hard hits. Jason is a huge exception (huge in several ways).
His professionalism, work ethic, attitude, and on field play has been unmatched on this team since I would say Dawkins. I am with you he is my favorite Eagle ever not named Brian Dawkins.
The only time I ever cheered for after-the-whistle shenanigans is when he blew up that punk from Washington who took the cheap shot on FOles.
For some odd reason I remember that game and play like it was yesterday, me being in the bar completely hammered, which is why I said I remember so clearly for some odd reason, and going insane over the cheap shot then immediately celebrating like a child on Christmas when Peters ran over and laid that douchebag from the skins out. Great memories.
Upvote for the capitalized O.
What an awesome Eagle… elite of the Elite, up there with the likes of Dawk. The minister of Defense, Jerome… Lane and Fletcher Cox will end up joining that elite list if they spent most of their career in Philly
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jason Peters has been such an amziing Eagle, but to have Jason Peters when you draft a young Freak Athlete like Lane Johnson is so amazing. not only do we have a HECKUVA leader and Hall of fame Talent, but we already have his worthy eventual replacement
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it’s Negligent of me to not have a jason Peters jersey… Need to make sure to get one before he retires,..
banner weighed in on The Mathis situatuon… He seems to think Mathis is getting poor advice, and that he was paid fairly for a player who missed half a season last year… And Banner says That Mathis is going to regret it, if the Eagles cut him…
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basically the same thing I have felt..If Mathis ends up getting cut, he is going to look really foolish because it’s going to cost him a lot of money, and he would end up having to sign for less money then what he is contracted to make
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Part of me would almost want to see the Eagles flat out waive Mathis. And tell him to negotiate with whoever he wants, and if he is about to sign with someone, he can bring us the proposed deal, and we will consider matching it or beating it…. Lol he would find that NO ONE is willing to pay him as much as we were paying him, and we could end up beating his best offer and getting Mathis cheaper then his current contract..
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this has to be One of the stupidest attempts at a money grab that I can remember… I don’t believe anything positive can come out of this for Mathis, I think his ONLY two Options are:
1) Honor your contract and say thank you
2) Try and get yourself cut and sigń with someone else.
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problem is, I don’t think ANY of those Scenarios Play out with Mathis making MORE MONEY then his current deal.. if the Eagles cut him, he is going to regret it big time, because he will end up signing for less money than what he is making now… I see NO SCENARIO, where Mathis parlays this situation into MORE MONEY! He is getting poor advice from an agent who just wants a commission check…
Who in the world would give such stupid advice? What lunatic does Evan have as an agent?
Rhetorical questions, my friends.
I think this is an agent who is blatantly putting his own interest ahead of his client. I don’t like how Mathis is handling this, but I hate to see a player get screwed by an agent who is supposed to represent his interest..
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As a fan, I hate that Mathis is looking like he is being led down a Path where The Eagles will Lose. mathis will Lose, and the ONLY person who gained ANYTHNG is that scum agent…. if the Eagles have to lose their starting Guard, I would hope that a 34yr old man is in a better position to take care of his family.. NOTHNG can be worse then us losing a starter for nothing in return, while that older player ends up Losing significant money on the open market in June…. And when it’s all said and done, the ONLY person smiling is the agent cashing his new commission check for making his client accept a contract from a new team paying him less then he Would have made had he just honored his eagle contract..
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if Maths is stupid enough to drink the Rosenhause Kool Aid, Hopefully Chip Kelly has the patiemce, to see this thru and do what’s best for the Eagles and the family of Evan Mathis, even if Mathis is too foolish to realize it right now
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I don’t understand how another Football player, can look at the Mathis situation, turning down a raise im 2014, a year later asking for that same offer back, and an agent who can end up costing Mathis money, and think that they want to put their financial future in the hands of Drew Rosenhause?
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Joe Banner is 100% right… if Evan Mathis gets cut by the Eagles, he is going to seriously regret it when he sees the reality of what other teams will offer him in mid June….the ONLY thing I can see Mathis gaining from all this is the chance to spend the end of his career on a team that’s morse of a contender then the Eagles, but To do that, I am convinced he will have to take a paycut, when the point f all this is supposed o be getting more money..
taking banner’s giving advice about paying veterans?
I’d LOVE to see Chip bring Banner back for Cap and contract negotiations.. banner could be awesome if you limit his power
talk about Versatility… chip has our new head of Personnel contributing as a camp arm lol… At practice you can see Ed Marynowitz throwing, helping players and coache. mainly he is throwing for the DB drills, so Corey Undlin can better watch and coach the technique instead of having to worry about also throwing the ball during drills…
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I guess we finally got to the Bottom of why Howie Roseman was replaced…
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One thing Im noticing that I don’t take as a good sign, is Eagles players really don’t ever talk about Huff, the way they talk about the Pope… often you hear players, whether its a QB, a DB, rookie WRs always mention and praise the Pope for various different reasons, but I rarely hear those type of comments from teammates about Josh Huff… Huff was only drafted 1 round later then the Pope. there shouldn’t be a massive descrepency between the two, yet I don’t get the impression that Huff has made the impression on teammates then Jordan has…
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You will see a DB like Rowe or Maxwell rave about Jordan Mathews ability, rave about jordan Mathews work ethic… You hear Agholor rave about the example Jordan Mathews has set for him, you hear him praise Jordan for just how much he is helping Agholor….. Yet it’s rare that I hear Eagle players mention Huff, especially players at other positions… You can tell the POPE is the real deal just by the impression he has made on teammates at every position. I haven’t heard the same glowing reports about Huff…
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Archbishop Nelson and Pope Jordan will be very good starting Caliber WR’s… huff is an X factor. if he can keep up with those two young talents, it gives us 3 serious young WR weapons…. But with the weapons chip is stockpiling, if Huff doesn’t keep up, he can find himself falling way behind…
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in Fairness, I do believe in Josh Huffs ability, and think he has a chance to be an explosive playmaker for us… I just wish I would hear Huff making the same impression on teammates that Jordan has made.
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When you have a young workaholic like Pope Jordan, a guy like Agholor understands he has to take his work ethic to the next level and Not allow Jordan to out work him… Agholor undestands this…..Hopefully Huff does too, and hopefully his work ethic will match that of our young thoroughbreds at WR…
Huff’s wow abilities are tied to YAC. Once the pads go on and the DBs/LBs start trying to tackle him, I expect we’ll be hearing more about him. Plus, he’s a good blocker, and that will show more in pads.
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All true…. But we hear Jordan Mathews singled out by players for his work ethic, and now Agholor is making that impression on coaches… If those two players succeed in the NFL, their work ethic will set a HECKUVA tone for every young WR we add after them
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I’m fine not hearing players Rave about Huffs ability right now, I just wish that when players rave about Jordans work ethic, we would also hear Huff praised for work ethic….. I wish I wouldn’t hear Agholor rave about how much help he is getting from Jordan Mathews, and about the example Jordan Mathews is setting for him but not hear anything about Huff… jordan has set the work ethic bar really high according to Agholor…yet I don’t really ever hear about how Huffs work ethic stands out. I would feel better if the two WRs from the same draft make similar impressions on teammates. huff watched Jordan outperform him last season, I really hope Huff will not let Nelson or Jordan outwork him this summer…. Hopefully there is nothing to this, and Huff can keep up with Agholor and Jordan.. but Those two are Going to set the bar really high at the WR position, if Huff doeamt keep up with their work ethic, he can be left in the dust
RE: CK’s training methods
CW claims it made everyone tired and that the better trained/coached teams beat them because they were tired and not well coached.
Analysis: I’m not a fan of CW, but I’d like to know what the tape says. We were pretty banged up last year, but the DL didn’t seem to lose steam at the end of the season.
Is it possible with all the sports science that the hard work may not be the right fit for everyone, or is CW just playing the blame game like he usually did in games. Frankly, even in the beginning of the season I thought he dogged it on plays and avoided contact with the backs if he could – it seemed the only contact he liked was holding a receiver.
Anyways, I like to hear people’s thoughts about training methods vs. results. In 2013, it didn’t seem like anyone was tired – but winning cures all ills on a team.
2013 teams was healthy, we had rotations seemingly at every position. 2014 team less healthy, DBs didn’t rotate at all and were constantly getting taken deep. Way more 3 and outs last year seemed like than the year before. The fact that he complained about it all year makes me think it was genuine. But he was the only one complaining.
From the outside looking in, I hate to see that. I think that speaks to more of him as a person. AR always kept things in house and never put anyone on blast (until David Akers). I would think, if the coach isn’t throwing your name out there or talks about how you practice, then it should work both ways.
I think the bigger problem with CW is that he thinks he’s better than what he is. He did compare himself to Sherman and Peterson.
Well he is replacing bmax, we’ll see. Yeah i don’t know how much i buy into that in house stuff, but you have a point. In one sense media / fans want candor otherwise we villify players, but once someone says something then we’re like no keep it in house.
Now if he’d said Billy D, or our D backs coach is teaching us wrong, instead of Chip sucks, would people feel any different?
Didn’t he indirectly rip the coaches a couple weeks ago, talking about how the coaches in SEA were way more in depth?
yeah he is so obviously a blamer.
every time he gets beat he looks around to blame someone.
or he commits a penalty.
but we will find out this year since he is replacing the guy we have and the guy we have is replacing him.
I think they will hate him in Seattle once he gets a dumb penalty at an important part of the game.
he won’t have much luck blaming anyone on Seattle.
and no Seattle will not be as good this year no way
I don’t know… Other then Cary, every other single eagle I have heard ever speak on this has Raved about never being so fresh at the end of seasons…I don’t think Celek, Demeco, Trent Cole, herremans, KELCE have gone out of their way to all lie about how well they felt late in the season
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Also, we have just gone thru some Ugly breakups, with players like Shady, Desean, trent Cole, who all were disgruntled enough to take shots when they left here…. If Wnat Cary Williams says is True, I would think we would be hearing similar comments out of shady, Desean or COle…
Don’t know if this is on point, I brought this up last season. Is training at an accelerated tempo sufficient to eliminate the errors that playing at a very high tempo can pose? This is more of a question than a conclusion. I’m guessing that most of our players, prior to their initial training with CK, were never exposed to prolonged high tempo practices. Is there a connection to turning the ball over? I would assume that 2013 may have emphasized scheme and alignment and fundamental responsibilities more than, say, harping on execution which may have come more last year. A lot of players may believe that they would never have made it to the NFL if they were not grounded in the fundamentals of their craft, but when your routine becomes compressed in time, fundamentals could conceivably become casualties of an accelerated pace. If that is even remotely plausible, is training and playing a couple of seasons enough to minimize “errors of haste”? I am a fan of the high tempo – I imagine most fans are when it is clearly debilitating to the opposition, but is it a double-edged sword?
I think the reasoning is that you do the same thing over and over and eventually it becomes habit. So in theory the muscle memory would do what it’s trained to do under pressure.
At least that’s my take on CK’s methods from what I’ve read.
The reasoning makes sense, but all of these players have been acclimated to a certain pace from their early teens, and now they’re being told to get used to double time, and that may take more than a couple of training camps to get in their bones. And I’m really only referring to the skill position players, because the line has to be quick thinkers once the call is barked by Kelce, so I would think that their adjustment might be less of a change than for QB and RB, and WR who have to hurry but not lose concentration while doing so. I could be off base on this, I hope I am, and if I’m not, maybe third year is the charm.
Coming from a background in music, there is an ungodly amount of research on how to most efficiently practice. I almost guarantee that Chip is aware of that research. Chip seems to practice quickly, but he does slow down in the teach periods. He also keeps the mental fatigue down by switching up the tasks often, since there’s an amount of time past which you’re just not going to progress any more at a task for the day. But honestly, there’s no harm in practicing fast once you’ve gone up through the levels. But kind of like playing a video game at a higher difficulty level than you’re ready for, you do nobody any good if you’re not ready for it. It’s probably why the young guys and the ones who miss camp never catch up. But if you’re going to play fast, you absolutely must practice that fast.
what did you think of Whiplash?
The standard theory in most fields are that you never raise to the occasion but falls to the level of your training.
So if you train at a harder level (be it your math assignment or fitness level) than game day/examination day, you will do better.
Malcolm Jenkins made a comment that I feel applies here:
“Chip has been very, very transparent on what he’s evaluating us on,” Jenkins said, via CSNPhilly.com. “That’s not only what we do on the field, but what we do in our assessments and how disciplined we are with our nutrition and all the sports science stuff. I haven’t seen him make a move outside of those parameters.
These players are being monitored and measured far beyond what’s being reported, and I think Chip has responded to this question in the past by saying that when the numbers warrant they dial their training back.
CW, DJax, Shady, are players that never fully bought into all aspects of the program. I’m sure to some veterans this approach feels like Big Brother is watching, or in this case, Big Balls Chip…
Good post..
If what Cary Williams says is true and players were worn down and didn’t have their legs, Mufasa, Jason Peters, Kelce, Trent Cole, Barwin, Malcolm Jenkins, Sproles would have taken this to chip Kelly, who is considered a Players coach. I highly doubt Chip would ignore his captains telling him that they are tired and worn down
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We have had plenty of Ugly breakups with Shady, Desean, Trent Cole, who have all taken their shots, yet NOT a Single One of these disgruntled players ripped chips a coaching and training…. If what Cary says is true, shady or DEsean would have made similar comments
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Also, Cary is the ONLY player to have spoken negatively about this.. I doubt Demeco, Peters, Cole, Celek all went out of their way to lie about how great they felt at the end of the season if they were worn down..
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you DO NOT GO on the INSANE second half run we went in during the second half of the 2013 if guys were tired and worn down compared to their opponents,.. Get real…
Sorry Tommy, but big news is a’brewin. If this works out, look out!
Hinke is assembling the avengers
Don’t get to excited… This is actually has been going on for a while now, sixers would love to bring him over now but it doesn’t likely..
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Just think about it this way, why would his team want to lose their best player a year earlier then they are obligated to, when the same money you will pay them now, you will have to give them any way next year? No incentive for Efes Abdolu to let us have him a year early