Kendricks Gets Some Cash
Posted: August 24th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 224 Comments »A lot of people thought Mychal Kendricks was as good as gone when the Eagles traded for Kiko Alonso and then drafted Jordan Hicks. After all, Kendricks isn’t the 6-3, 240 ILB that Chip Kelly would ideally like.
As it turns out, Kendricks isn’t going anywhere.
#Eagles sign LB Mychal Kendricks to a 4-year extension, keeping him in Philadelphia through 2019. #FlyEaglesFly pic.twitter.com/3My6oum3UD
— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) August 24, 2015
#Eagles and LB Mychal Kendricks agreed to a 4-yr, $29 m contract extension with $16.4m guaranteed, per league source.
— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) August 24, 2015
Wow.
Kendricks is a talented and versatile linebacker. He has good cover skills. He can rush the passer. Kendricks has worked hard to become a good inside run defender. He can consistently take on and shed blocks. He has the speed to shoot gaps and make plays in the backfield.
Kendricks led the Eagles in solo tackles in 2014. He really filled up the stat sheet in 2013 when he finished second in total tackles and added 4 sacks, 6 TFLs, 3 INTs, 2 FFs and 4 FRs. That’s a lot of plays. And the 3-4 is at its best when the ILBs are playmakers.
This is a good move. The Eagles need to lock up the good young players they have. Next up should be Vinny Curry.
There was a time when the Eagles struggled to draft and develop young defensive talent. Thankfully, that seems to be a thing of the past.
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This makes me happy.
Why does every highlight tape have to have some awful rap mix as backing music?
Who would you prefer? the sound of music soundtrack/ nah, idk.. its drake because kendricks looks like drake.
I didn’t know it was Drake. I hope he has better music than that if he’s so popular. It’s not that all rap is bad, what about this classic:
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Will+Smith+summertime+youtube&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
i cant stand him, drake dont even write his lyrics and calls himself the greatest.. in his lyrics. Go figure right.. lmfao
he does write his lyrics lol. most rappers get help. i remember one of my favorite rappers joe budden took lines occasionally from users on his own forum. the video of the guy rapping the lyrics was mainly just the hook. its not that big of a deal. drake also isn’t popular because of his lyrical prowess. he’s huge because of his ability to make hits which he does extremely well.
he doesnt write his lyrics, any rapper who gets help is lame. quinton miller wrote most of it. and there are others out there who have admited writing for him. i have zero respect for that.
You realize a lot of great song writers have collaborated to help write songs. If Drake didn’t give the writers their due in the credits then that would be one thing. Miller and others are clearly credited as writers though. If I found out other people wrote a lot of the lyrics for Nas, Black Thought, GZA, etc… then I would be more upset cause they arre lyrical
song writers? we are talking about rap here. and rap is about being real. Drake raps about being the greatest, that cant simply be tolerated. you cant be the greatest if you dont do ya own lyrics.
nickelus f admits to writing for drake, even at least one whole verse, and no album credit. ish like that deserves the hate.
“i remember one of my favorite rappers joe budden” — smh
i was in HS and liked his mixtapes lol. He’s a good rapper but can’t get good beats or make good hooks to save his life
Don’t accept any shit for naming Joe Budden as one of your favorite rappers. Anyone can say he loves Tupac or Andre 3K. You have to get a little deeper into the genre to go with someone under the radar like Budden — who is a really good writer. That first Slaughterhouse album is still one of my favorites, and Joe drops some of my favorite verses on it.
Sadly…Nobody writes all their own music….
theres others, and you know its wrong that people dont write for the fact they like to hide it and they dont own the fact that they have others write their bars.
and geez pulling out the old stuff, lol @ will smith summertime. not exactly the perfect football highlight reel music
he’s just showing his age
I did think a lot of the older rap is better. Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M8GszEN9MM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySHMuLN4Jg
I don’t think any of Drake’s hits match up with songs like these. Plus, he sounds like a little kid compared to these guys.
late 90’s early 2000’s was my fav era
What would I prefer? I would prefer a song that didn’t have the “N”-word ten times in the first ten seconds and Mother-f thrown in randomly just for fun, that’s what I wold prefer.
But you’re not hard if you don’t talk that way. In rl, I make sure to throw around the N-word and the MF-word within the first couple sentences to make sure people take me seriously.
Mr. Cooper?
you ask that rhetorically like i was actually asking you. lmfao If you cant take bad words you are weak.
Yeah, really not a fan of the track. Was enjoying the highlights, but eventually turned the music completely off.
UGH. 14 seconds. That’s how long it took me to pull the mute trigger.
It is just a Drake song that was incredibly popular. Not one of my favorites but to each their own.
Rather listen to the sound of synchronized toilets flushing though than attending a Rascal Flats concert or a Jimmy Buffet concert.
I would be okay with the announcers from the game as the soundtrack.
I’m fine with music. It just needs to fit better than this Drake song. Not a particularly good song for football highlight montage featuring a defensive player.
I’m in favor of the laid back soundtrack for defensive players, like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxhigzl35sw
I love when its the announcers, plus a song by a composer that has a great build up
Can’t upvote this enough. Now get off my lawn.
If that song was incredibly popular, then the human race needs to do some serious self-reflection.
Chip send the message: don’t try to puzzle me.
Amazing.
Yes, I was thinking something similar.
Chip is not as easy to gage as we think. With the exception of his recent endorsement of Kendricks, Chip’s statements on Kendricks seemed cautious, if not negative. One reporter just told me on Twitter that Kendricks was definitely held out as bait during the draft. Did Chip’s attitude toward Kendricks change, or did we (or the press) misread Chip’s attitude toward Kendricks?
This is Howie reasserting power in the organization. Signing players Kelly doesn’t want.
Your move, Chip!
Good deal to bridge from Kendricks to when Kiko (and possibly Hicks) will need a new deal. By the structure of it, it appears to be easy to cut after 2017 if need be.
Smart move all around and explains why they didn’t liquadate him for draft complensation.
This is awesome news. The most important is Cox. It would be great to re-up Curry.
Cox is under contract for next 2 seasons. Plenty of time to extend him. IMHO VC should be next in line.
Totally agree, it will just make me feel so much more at ease knowing that Cox is locked down long term. I get worried. Besides I had to witness the greatest defense in the history of the league get decimated in about 2-3 off seasons.
If you’re all worried about extending Cox there are drugs that will help…
need to lock up vinny.. and cox and even maybe bradford.
This means DeMeco only stays if restructure, or even don’t stay at all.
Barwin just resign too. Maybe Jenkins? I doubt.
Have to wait next year to see the big picture with the cap.
Ryans is a declining player. Unlikely that he’ll be in Philly next season.
Obviously that all depends on how this season plays out.
Just saw the situation with Cooper, Peters, Celek and Sproles here.
Cooper: 2.4M in dead cap next year but Chip likes him.
Maybe restructure? Or cut if Huff step up.
Peters hit is 9M. Can see him restructure with a home town discount. He’s the man.
Celek hit is 5M with no dead cap. Same situation with Cooper. But don’t know he’ll return.
And Sproles have a 1M in dead cap. If Barner made the roster can be the end to Darren.
Be interesting to see what Chip does.
It seems he looks at decisions in an economic factor: position X is worth YYYY value. Player A costs YYYYY. If he performs below that level -he’s gone.
Let’s see what happens when a player meets performance levels but exceeds value.
Connor Barwin?
Good point.
Barwin was also the right age. A known asset for the term of his contract (as much as is possible in the NFL).
Nah, he just resign and the team is very thin at OLB. They need him.
yeah jenkins at some point too.. S’s are hard to find. cant predict who we draft tho.
Jenkins only signed a 3-year deal. By the time it’s over, he’ll be around 30. Need to find someone in next year’s draft or hope one of Reynolds or Couplin emerge.
If Jenkins plays on the same level as last year for the next two he’s going to make huge dollars in free agency, even at 30.
Jenkins is overrated by Eagles fans.
Maybe, but he’s an adequate safety with a budding reputation. That makes him “elite” in a time when safety play is poor league-wide.
He’ll get paid crazy cash as a free agent.
There’s some truth to that sentiment, but the reality is that S is starting to look like QB league-wide – there’s a few elite, perhaps ten adequate, and then a fair bunch of dreck. So if you are in the adequate range, you’re going to be overrated when it comes to FA. Plus, I think Jenkins, given the requirements that Chip seems to have for S, is amongst the best qualified in the league to play for the Eagles. We’ll have a better feel (hopefully no injuries) for what he’s like when he doesn’t need to cover for sub-par secondary players all around him.
I think he’ll do with Jenkis the same thing he did with DeMeco: bring a guy like Alonso to S position for the future and keep him around a little bit more to secure the depth.
i mean his 1st contract here isnt big, and he isnt putting up stats and no pro bowls, he could be a nice affordable re-sign
Thinking it might be Couplin. Coaches seem to like him a bit more than Reynolds. Of course, I was the one convinced MK was gone, so wtf do I know 😛
The Florida ST Safety who also plays Corner Jalen Ramsey
DeMeco is here this year. Next year, $2.25M of his base becomes guaranteed on 3rd day of league year. Then, they’ll have to make decision.
I guess he bought in. Has the culture, the athleticism and the skill. So Chip made an exception to the measurable. I’m glad to see Chip isn’t as stubborn as some would like to make him out to be.
Makes you think about Boykin a little.
Great point. I’m taking a stab in the dark here, maybe Chip/Maynowitz had preliminary talks with Boykins people and he is hell bound on starting on the outside.
That was my feeling all along, and you can’t blame him for it. In a more zone-friendly scheme, he could really do well. That was never going to happen here. They weren’t going to change their defense for one guy, and being undersized on the outside WOULD require changing the defense. Kendricks size isn’t nearly as big a deal; they can still run the same scheme, and in fact, they’ve already proven they can take advantage of MK’s skillset within the planned defense (namely his coverage ability and speed on the blitz).
Long story short, Boykin wasn’t long for this team, and it was of mutual benefit that things worked out for him the way they did. Losing Kendricks would have been a bit harder to justify.
It’s pretty simple. Kendricks has prove to be an IMPACT starter, Boykin was a role player who didn’t have that upside and wasn’t gettin his shot in philly. I’m happy they got a decent return for him and he has a chance to play outside now. Beneficial trade for both parties
Winning teams and organizations draft well, develop their picks and then hold onto them. This is a fabulous move for our Eagles. I agree that Vinnie Curry should be next. Good pass rushers are at such a premium. VC loves being an Eagle and playing for his hometown team. Let’s hope we can extend him next and keep him with this young ascending defense for several more years. I do wonder, however if Demeco Ryans has much left in the tank. I hope I am wrong and he is very productive for us this season and continues to be a positive influence and leader on and off the field. Either way I am excited for MK and pumped up to watch this defense play this season.
If Curry proves he can sub in at LB as well, I don’t see why they wouldn’t try to resign him.
If Curry has a another good year, with his versatility, I can see him being the next Byron Maxwell type of guy. Being an Orioles fan I am programmed to assume we won’t sign him.
Agree, I don’t have any confidence that Curry resigns with Eagles. He has value as a 4-3 DE, he’s not an OLB. I can think of several teams that would probably go after him when he’s a FA–Giants, Falcons, Jaguars, Seattle, Oakland, Rams, Dallas, Bengals.
I have been unable to keep up with the Eagle’s cap situation. Do they currently have a reasonable or large cushion that they can use to re-sign even more players this year? Or are they near the cap limits?
And I know the cap is going up dramatically next year, but does that put the Eagles in exceptionally good shape or just average shape next year?
According to overthecap.com, Phl has around $15M in cap space.
Thank you, Roy, much appreciated.
Chip Kelly has proven to be as interesting a General Manager as he is a coach. At first blush, this appears to be a very Eagles friendly contract. Only time will tell, of course, but it appears that Kelly has as firm a plan on how he wants the team’s funds managed as he does on how he wants the team run on the field of play.
Thanks FalKirk.
All part of Chip’s master plan to trade Kendricks and Curry for Mariota in 2017.
Well…with the majority of the money in the first half, he does become an attractive trade chip after next season.
(No, I’m not serious.)
don’t even joke about that
I pitched in for his salary just so we could get past the Tebow discussion.
My hero.
Extend Cox!
He’s under contract for another 2 years since they picked up his option. Vinny should be next.
Just really excited by the Kendricks contract.
Enough about penis enlargers
curry has to be next..as for Cox, We have time.. Cox was drafted in round 1 so he has a 5th year on his rookie deal… curry and Kendricks only were signed to 4yr rookie deals so they need to be paid now, Cox can wait Til next year
Kiko and Kendricks could be a pretty good young ILB corps. I’m of course going off of Kiko’s rookie year, but it shows he’s got the talent.
I like this move. (Angry Bird is also one of my favorite players)
Keep on truckin’, baby. …oh, wait, wrong Kendricks.
best part of MK’s highlite vid above, no need to enlarge to find him or spotshadow. he’s simple to find, he’s the missile coming from the middle.
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cant wait to see him and kiko fly around untouched behind this DL.
I let out a war cry when this news popped up on my phone that sent all our pets scurrying for cover. I did not see this coming, but I sure am happy. Hello future, you are lookin’ very bright INDEED! :)-
This is funny. Russell Shepard has outperformed Riley Cooper so far in preseason.
who hasn’t?
Tutu
If memory serves me correctly Riley only has one more catch this preseason than I do.
I imagine Shepard has played quite a few more snaps, too.
Love Kendricks, happy with the move, surprised Chip signed him, thought he was a goner for sure.
Even Banner approves:
https://twitter.com/joebanner13/status/635965202664685568
Oh noooooo. Just when I’m buying in and really feeling this team Chip goes and does something I think is AMAZING!!! We are certainly doomed now.
Because I didn’t like the off season as it happened… Get it?
Seriously though this is awesome.
Now he has to show he can stay healthy and productive for a full season.
Glad they finished this before the season starts and now Kendricks doesn’t have it lingering over his head. Not the kind of player I think who would deal with this kind of uncertainty that well.
I’m happy to have Kendricks, but isn’t this a rich deal? 29mm with 16 guaranteed. Is that really the going rate for ILBs?
His play warrants it I think. Look at his stats man! Was just going to post what GR posted above.
Bobby Wagner received a 4 year, $43M extension with $22M guaranteed($8.98M fully guaranteed – we don’t know fully guaranteed figure for Kendricks yet)
Lavonte David received a 5 year, $50.5M extension with $25.58M guaranteed($10.78M fully guaranteed)
What is the distinction between guaranteed and fully guaranteed? Also, Lavante is an OLB.
Fully guaranteed is what he absolutely makes irregardless. It is guaranteed for injury and skill so the player gets the money even if released. Guaranteed is the fully guaranteed portion plus a portion that is only guaranteed in case the player is injured.
If I’m not mistaken, he’s an OLB in a 4-3, which isn’t quite the same as an OLB in our system. In a 4-3, the Will and Sam are both technically OLB, but it’s not a distinction worth much in salary. In a 3-4, OLB is the high-priced position, the stud edge rusher who can also cover.
So, Lavonte David, who plays WILL, is an OLB the samw way that Mark Simeneau was, or Ernie Sims, or Dhani Jones. Those guys get paid about the same as a 3-4 ILB.
Solid deal. Cap jumps next year. Good time to lock up a good player.
It is the going rate, maybe even slightly under market.
Wagner: 4 years/ 43mil/ 10.75 a year (9 mil guaranteed)
David: 5 years/50.25/ 10 a year (10.75 guaranteed)
Timmons: 5 years/ 48mil/ 9.5 a year (11 mil guaranteed)
Bowmann: 5 years/ 45.25mil/ 9 a year (11 guaranteed)
Cushing: 6 years/ 52.5mil/ 8.75 a year (21 guaranteed)
Levy: 4 years/ 33.75/ 8.5 a year (13 guaranteed)
Laurantis: 5 years/ 41.5mil/ 8.3 a year (13.6 guaranteed)
Daryl W: 4 years/ 32 mil/ 8 a year (5 guaranteed)
Butler: 7 years/ 51.8mil/ 7.4 a year (11.1 guaranteed)
Mayo: 3 years/ 22 mil/ 7.3 a year (4.5 guaranteed)
Kendricks: 4 years/29 mil/ 7.25 a year (16 guaranteed)
Harris: 3 years/ 21.5mil/ 7.1 a year (15 guaranteed)
Lee: 6 years/ 42 mil/ 7 a year (16.1 guaranteed)
Briggs: 1 year/ 7 mil/ 7 a year (5 guaranteed)
KJ: 4 years/ 27 mil/ 6.75 a year (8.75 guaranteed)
So he got a bit more guaranteed money than most, but it’s relatively cheap on a per year basis.
I honestly thought we were going to look somewhere between 8 and 9 a year.
For a player like Kendricks, I do not mind slightly more guaranteed for less per year
Not at all. It’s front loaded, and we have cheap, very good depth at the position so it’s not like him going down would be calamitous.
Only thing I worry about looking at those numbers is whether Kendricks will come back in two years and say, “I’m underpaid. I’m holding out until I get a new contract.” The guaranteed money is great, but the per year is a bit on the low side. You know his agent’s gonna tell him that in a season 😛
That’s the catch 22 of frontloading. Fortunately if he wants to be a dick about it the the contract isn’t prohibitive to moving him and reallocating resources.
Also I’m sure the Eagles informed both him and his agent that maybe they guarantee an extra year or something down the road but if they come back in 2 years and cry poor, they will be told to pound sand.
Chip already took care of that…see the Evan Mathis Precedent…
http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu267/BoogaFrito/Its%20Happening%20Chip%20Kelly%20FINAL%20eyes%20WATERMARK.gif
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http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/011/614/2b1f16efb1221991e74de25a95f5c225_crop_exact.png?w=1500&h=1500&q=85
Some thoughts after watching the highlights: 1. He played that well and missed 4 games. 2. He can beat left tackles. 3. I pray to god we don’t get whooped like we did against the Packers again.
*watches Jordan Hicks perform during 2 preseason games*
CHIP: Yeah, okay, let’s extend Kendricks
Haven’t watched much of him. I haven’t noticed anything extremely terrible.
Looked good to me
LMAO!! That crossed my mind too.
hey hey hey, woah, way over the line! he get’s the “rookie developing/ get of jail free card” for his transgressions. it’s call the josh huff defense. let the guy breathe a little
Josh got cut way too much slack for his blunders last season. Eagles were one of the worst teams for turnovers and he had a large hand in that. Suspect QB play was the other. I think he has a ton of talent, but he absolutely was not ready last season. Makes it baffling to me that he’s getting the ‘established veteran’ treatment this preseason.
https://twitter.com/InsultComicDog/status/635996665267265538
Blandino is in over his head. Owners need to get together and pressure league to remove him pronto. Threaten to publicly criticize league in deflate-gate matter. Whatever it takes.
Blandinois sounds French
The explanation he gave was pure insanity. So apparently as a defensive player it is totally legal to dive head first at a defenseless QBs knees while he’s standing still, does not have the ball and has just handed the ball off as long as that QB plays in a system that has historically utilized a zone read element to its rushing attack.
I’d love to see how the league would react if someone ended Peyton Mannings career by diving into his knees the next time he hands the ball off and is standing there watching his RB run with the ball. Is that totally legit because hey even though he didn’t actually have the ball, he totally COULD have had the ball so it’s all fair game right?
Very happy about this move – I was one of those quite worried that Kendricks was going to be “Boykined”, despite proving his ability to play at a high level in this defense. He and Alonso could be a great tandem for years to come.
I’m super stoked about this move. I was mentally prepared for a life without Mychal Kendricks some time in 2016… It was a disheartening, disappointing, and annoying thought process all at once.. The second we traded for Kiko Alonso I immediately thought our front 7 will be special with two STUD ILBs.. Then the DeMeco extension happened and the drafting of Jordan Hicks happened and I was left wondering what on Earth was going to happen with Kendricks?
Now, here we are, Kendricks will be staying put after all and now we’ll all get the privilege to see an amazing group of linebackers suit up this upcoming season. Chip is really aiming towards not only a talented roster, but a roster with loads of depth at important positions. I’ve appreciated all of his moves so far this offseason. The man knows what he’s doing.
Exact same way i feel. Incredibly happy for this move ..a large part of the reason the shady trade was easy for me to deal with was the fact that we would have kiko and kendricks together in the middle of the field and witness some of the most explosive linebacker play since the days of seth joyner.
But i started to become fearful that he was gonna be traded…now i can go ahead and get my first jersey since my fiance got me my autographed dawkins jersey.
Eagles have quietly built a bully on defense, a juggernaut on offense, and a spectacular special teams….mostly done in one offseason with a flurry of moves every analyst and pundit question/still question (“TV personalities” like Heath Evans just don’t get it but I hate him so I won’t even call him an “analyst”)….to sum it all up…IT FEELS GREAT TO BE AN EAGLES FAN!!!
It feels like when you played Monopoly against younger siblings and they would think, “Wow, he is trading me Boardwalk? That is the best property on the board. He must be dumb.” Next thing they know, you control all the territory from St. Charles Place to Pennsylvania Ave. and it is impossible to get past you.
upvote x9000!
Bradford needs to be good and healthy and the Eagles can be really good this year.
I think that in an average NFC east Sanchez could guide us to a 10-6 division win with this roster and easier than last years schedule. However the Eagles cannot beat a top team without a higher level of QB play. Everything depends on Bradford being who we hope he can be and we can have a season of Superbowl dreams. If he is not then we could be in the QB wilderness for a while – good enough to win regular season games – not good enough to win playoff ones (the Bengals situation).
thank you god! so glad kendricks got locked up.
Great move…..I’m a little late to the party…what’s the word on the new safety?
Not someone worth getting to know… He will be an eagle for about 10 days..
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only real question at safety is will it be Reynolds or Couplin for the last safety spot?
I feel like they are leaning toward Couplin. I think we’ll have a better idea after Saturday.
I don’t get that impression AT ALL, but we will find out soon enough
I am not saying they are not, but what makes you feel that way?
It’s more a subtle way of talking about both players. They were surprised a bit by Reynolds, but were disappointed that Couplin got appendicitis and couldn’t show on the field.
Nothing concrete on my part, just a gut feeling about language used.
https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/635965202664685568
I need someone to talk me off the ledge. What is the deal with Bradford for the year? Are the refs going to allow a bunch of hits all game because CK runs a few read option plays here and there?
I think Chip will just use the shift block like last year or find a way to reestablish Sammy as a passer.
In the end, they will not allow it, because then you open up the QB to get hit on bootleg fakes, RB draws and stretch plays
Just wait till Peyton gets crushed and the LB say I thought it was a Play Action
Has anybody heard if the Albert McClellan gut-punch, apparently after the whistle, has been addressed by the league?
Of course not. Malcolm Bunche didn’t reestablish himself as not a runner.
May be wrong, but I don’t think it has.
Of course not….
It’s funny that we’re all going nuts about the R/O rule and the Suggs hit. The NFL decided several years ago they weren’t going to protect the QB’s of teams that run R/O.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/09/harbaugh-calls-nfls-read-option-rules-flawed-and-biased.html
Amusing part to me is I expect referees will continue to lean towards throwing flags even if the NFL has officially declared it legal to hit the QB. As for Chip insisting it wasn’t a Read/Option, he’s lying through his teeth, or if you prefer, using selective truth. It is almost certainly true that Sam was told ‘hand the ball off regardless of what the DE does.’ So, from that perspective, it’s not a R/O. Problem is, the blocking scheme and design of the play are still pure R/O whether he’s told Sam to actually do the ‘read’ part of it.
If there is no read, it isnt a R/O, its just a regular shotgun hand off.
Not blocking somebody on hand offs has been used for decades (see fake bootleg or RB draw)
Sorry, but from an x’s and o’s standpoint, there’s no difference. Read or not, there’s no way for the ref to know, ergo, they’re gonna treat it as a R/O. It sucks, and I’m not a fan of the rule, especially given our fragile QB, but that’s the official rule.
But he wasnt even faking keeping it like the QB does on a standard RB draw or fake bootleg, so why isnt players blasting Tony Romo or Aaron Rodgers on those plays?
Because the NFL is run by a bunch of idiots imho. Honestly, the rule doesn’t make a lot of logical sense to me. Defenses argued, and unfortunately succeeded, in saying, ‘we have no way of knowing whether the QB will keep the ball or not, we should be allowed to hit him.’ Because the NFL is run by a bunch of people who dislike running QB’s, they agreed. Read a couple of the articles from 2013. This arguments’s been going on for years and unfortunately, as of now, Chip’s going to lose it. Blandino (who I don’t respect) and Periera (who I do) both said it was a legal hit. Idiotic imho, but there it is.
This is why Lurie needs to get Blandino on his party bus.
You do realize there is a difference between an inside zone, and an Inside Zone READ?
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It’s not a zone read unless the QB keeps it, or carries out a fake after handing it off, which Bradford clearly didn’t do since he stood still and just embraced for the scumbag Suggs to hit him…
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SAM handed it off and stood still, that’s NOT a ZONE READ.. That’s a simple inside zone, no different from a regular handoff out of the gun
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You can see the difference when Mariota played Sunday night, he actually ran a ZONE read, handed it off to the RB and then started running to the right pretending he had the ball.. Chris Long legally could have blown Mariota up, but he chose to be classy and Not hit Mariota during a meaningless preseason game even if he was allowed to.l
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Bradford didn’t carry out any fake like Mariota did when he ran an actual zone read
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I doubt chip called a single zone READ for Sanchez or Bradford all offseason
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It’s NOT Rocket Science, if the QB ISNT carrying out the fake, you don’t get to fuckin hit him..
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Despicable that all these talking NFL heads are clearly ignoring the rules and arguing against our “college coach”… What a joke
Sadly, the refs and NFL don’t differentiate between a Zone Read and an inside zone. Honestly, there’s almost no difference X’s and O’s wise, only in what the QB does. NFL’s not on our side
The refs is on our side.
Not rocket science, if our QB ISNT carrying out a fake after he hands it off, you don’t Get to touch our Qb!!!
That’s BS…teans been running ZR for years and we haven’t had too many of these issues
Plenty of of non zone read blocking schemes leave backside player free.
This is one of the things that worries me. What if an offense misses a blocking assignment? Or because the play is going the opposite way just leave the man unblocked?
I’m am scared that they want teams to tee off on our QB, because a lot of people in the league have a hate on Chip.
You have Carrol who is with Chip on this. That should buy some good will league wide.
Also if it doesn’t change, I fully expect Chip to let Braman suplex the life out of every QB on teams that run stretch/bootleg. “Oh he looked like he may have had the ball because he was carrying out a half assed bootfake, and until you protect my QB, I will break yours.
Ultimately I don’t think it’s going to be a big deal. If it is I’m sure Chip and other forward thinking coaches will go to war both on the field and in the press with the old guard.
This was the talking off the ledge I needed.
I mean the current rules were an overreaction by the league to the newfangled scary college concepts.
There’s effectively no difference in intent to a QB who is playaction faking or carrying out a fake boot on a stretch play. The Arians and old guard will whine and bitch but there should be a correction to the norm.
what i’ve been saying is to take this idea to its logical extreme.
play action passes? its a fake to the RB. are you allowed to tackle the RB? that sounds like holding to me.
why is it holding? because the RB is trying to run a passing route. didn’t we see this in the Saints playoff game?
but what about the QB? we’ve seen QBs line up out wide, on other teams and ours.
so, if someone argues that its OK to tackle the QB because he MIGHT have the ball, you could also argue that you CANT do that because he MIGHT be running a passing route. i mean, we are talking about things that could happen, not how likely they are, right?
Ok, so maybe its not roughing the passer, but now its defensive holding, and if you go for the knees add on another 15 yards for unnecessary roughness.
another thing… its an OPTION, right? (their words, not mine). who’s to say its not the RBs option to pass the ball or keep it after he has received it? does this mean that you can’t hit the RB because he MIGHT pass the ball? (nightmares of Ronnie Brown come to mind)
lets keep going. offense executes a play fake. who has the ball? i dunno. tackle everybody: WRs, TEs, RBs, QBs, hell, even the OL should be tackled. they MIGHT have the ball, right?
Cox tackled Sproles behind the LOS in the Saints playoff game off of play action and it was called a hold. Came on a third down and possibly cost us the game. I think the rules about who clearly has the ball are too subjective and the NFL needs to find a way to fix it.
Imagine Braman destroying Peyton Manning on a stretch or bootfake with the OLB un blocked
Well Peyton already has a broken neck so I’m not sure suplexing him would do much…
Then new golden boy Luck or Rodgers
Actually this whole contract we gave Kendricks was just for the fines he’s going to be paying as our designated suplexer.
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He’s too short to get guys as far up in the air as you would like…
If only he was 6’3″, then he’d get him even further up. This is why he will never be as good as Kiko 😛
I totally agree on the Chip-hate. There’s a big crowd that hates all the attention that Chip gets and thinks everything Kelly is about is a gimmick, read option, etc. (which is hilarious because everyone claims the Eagles do a lot of gimmicky things that they really don’t do all that often) They just want him to be put in his place and sent back to college.
Heath Evans being the worst. It’s funny so many football heads want him to fail, but sometimes change is painful.
To my knowledge, they don’t use their QB to try to account for the unblocked guy. I’ve done a lot of reading over at ChipWagon on this. I really like the scheme because it really does a great job of getting a numerical edge on the D that most other schemes simply don’t allow. Stuffed shirts in the League offices must hate it.
Stretch/Bootleg does. And it’s a staple for of a good chunk of the league.
Sweeps often call for the QB to half heartedly get in the way to buy the back a half a step.
Depending on defensive scheme you may leave a backside edge unblocked if you’re trying to get him upfield and cut something (shovel pass, dump to flat) beyond him. You’re effectively using the QB as bait to take a player out of a play.
But insanely, QB is protected on those plays. Silly isn’t it?
That’s my point though, is that those plays effectively are no different. If teams are going to abuse it, I’m sure Chip will start pointing out the discrepancies, loudly, in public, and also on the field by targeting those plays.
Harbaugh tried the same thing back in 2013. He got no love from the league. I’m sure Chip will complain and he already has tried to point out how the rule doesn’t make sense. It will be interesting to see if he gets any further than Harbaugh did. Also, is it any surprise Carroll is on our side in this debate? His team actually makes hay on the R/O because they have a QB who is a legitimate threat every time he pulls the ball back. Every team with a mobile QB who even occasionally runs R/O probably would like to see their QB’s protected. Every team that has a traditional drop back passer and doesn’t use it likes the rule as it is.
I want to put this here because I like the guy as an analyst of the Eagles. He’s not a draft guy or breaks down camp as well as other guys, but during the season I think he’s on point with his analysis.
That said, he wades into the Suggs hit on Bradford.
Edit: This is Brian Baldinger.
http://975thefanatic.com/2015/08/25/brian-baldinger-joins-jon-marks-and-eytan-shander/
Pretty amusing. He did the “I don’t know a referee who wouldn’t call this,” yet both Blandino, VP of officials and Periera, former VP of officials both said, “legal hit.” Guess Baldy doesn’t know either of them.
Which is interesting, Boger called it. Then by Blandino and Periera was told he was wrong. Blandino I don’t trust, simply because he’s partying on the Dallas Cowboys party bus. Periera works for a bunch of people who think the old way, but he hasn’t been officiating for awhile.
I’ll say this, it’s very confusing Blandino’s take on the play. I think Baldinger is absolutely right to point out that the type of play doesn’t matter.
If Bradford had dropped back to pass the ball off of a play action, that is a penalty. So how are referees going to distinguish whether the QB was a “runner” or “passer”?
If they can’t do that, then this rule makes no sense.
I have a lot of respect for Periera. He’s easily the best of the former refs for explaining the rules. As for the ‘old guard’ argument, I get it, but unfortunately, this is the current rule, not an old one. Blandino’s another story. If he’s not crooked, he has done a horrible job of displaying neutrality. Combine that with some of the nonsense that he’s spouted and I have a hard time trusting anything he says. I really hope they get the rule changed, but as I’ve indicated all over the place, I’m not holding my breath.
I pray Rodgers hands the ball off out of shotgun and Kiko, Curry or BG dive straight for his knees…. That will fix this bullshit once and for all
I don’t want to wish harm on any player. But the Ravens will do this to another QB this year and it’s going to be devastating.
Packers are actually the ones who started this. After Kaepernick tore them up for 181, they decided the way to beat the R/O was to pound the QB every chance you could legally. Idiotic, but true.
Sorry, but if our QB ISNT going to get the same protection as every other QB, then fuck the health of other teams QB’s.. I’d rather some other QB get his knee destroyed so they can put an end to this absurdity, then for Bradfords knees to be sacraficed so that the league can fix this issue,..
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If you aren’t going to offer us the same protection as every other QB, then I could care less about the knees of some other teams QB
No.
No. Only if the Packers also try this same tactic then I would (and not at the knees). We’ll see what gets called in the regular season.
And this is why you continue to be the worst poster on the board.
Not the first time you’ve wished injuries upon another player. Really far from the first.
But what else would we expect from a meathead bro like you, I guess.
Instead of responding to everyone individually on this, I’m going to put my response to everyone on the R/O Suggs hit here.
1. I don’t agree that it should be legal.
2. NFL officials, for reasons that baffle me, don’t agree and have consistently said so since 2012. For those trying to point out the nuances of the X’s and O’s, you’re right, but since the NFL doesn’t care it really doesn’t matter.
3. The live shot vs. the still shot tell different stories. Honestly, I think Suggs was told to hit the QB the next time they ran anything that remotely resembled the R/O.
4. This is one of the prices that coaches who consistently run anything that remotely resembles the R/O must pay. Kelly’s not going to change his offense, so unfortunately, we should get used to it.
I have no problem with Suggs throwing a shoulder to Bradfords chest to let him know he’s there.
I have a problem with Suggs intentionally, pre mediated going for his knees, in a preseason game.
Oh, I wasn’t happy about that either. Like I said, I think he was told to go after him. It was cheap, it was dirty. Ridiculously, it was legal.
I don’t think he was told by anyone, Suggs is a nasty guy. The team wouldn’t risk a scandal when the stakes are a preseason game. Teams are usually more logical when they are feeling ruthless, IE the saints were super dirty with a Super Bowl right within reach. Suggs was just malice. He personally tried to smooth over that play with the referee before the game.
If he hadn’t pulled up on an earlier play where he actually had a more legitimate opportunity to hit Bradford, I’d agree. I think the coaches reminded him and Sugg’s nastiness resulted in that blatant shot at Bradford’s knees.
I doubt he was told to do it by a coach but it was premeditated, and probably discussed by some of the senior players. The Ravens vets were pissed about being in philly, pissed that the Eagles dominated in all the practices and he came out to send a message they are playing tough and would punish team playing option football.
I think the ravens plan is to just punish the QB in any option situation, let thr RB run free and intimidate teams to stop running it. They are willing to give up 25 yards early to send that message. I think it will be interesting to see how this works out, because other teams may try to copy this especially with Bradfords injury history.
Told to hit him. Not told to try to injure, i.e. take a shot at his knees. I agree wholeheartedly with the 2nd paragraph. Worry a bit about other teams mirroring that strategy.
It’s going to happen. If teams don’t push the envelope on D, a zone read like team has the advantage.
Well they have to hope they take the QB out because a couple penalties could be dangerous against CK. You are gifting a potent offense with 30 yards. Might not work out so well when you look up and you’re down 10-14 points.
I think if he didn’t clothesline Celek on a play soon after, that he may have an argument. But he obviously doesn’t care whether he hurts/injures another player illegally or not.
Suggs is a thug who blatantly has tried to injure players before. The hit he took at the back of Pittsburg’s RB was one of the dirtiest plays I have EVER seen.
yea, thats the way i feel about it too. its like Jenkins said – as a defender, you want to try to scare the offense out of running their comfort plays.
hitting a guy low should be a penalty. always.
I think this should be general across the field, you can’t go after someone’s knees away from the play as a blocker or a defender. Isn’t that already a rule?
Unless Bradford carried out a fake after he handed it off,.. You don’t get to touch our QB…. Simple as that
I can’t believe after the way hits on QBs have been officiated over the past few years that the league would take a stance that the hit was 100% legal. I could have maybe accepted grey area based on whether the official felt the defender had time to diagnose the play or not, but to say a hit like that at a QBs knees is completely fine is just mind blowing
i was thinking about the part of the rules that say Bradford had to re-establish himself as a passer.
stop and think about that for a second. what do you think would have happened if Bradford pretended to go into a passing stance with Suggs coming in like that? I think its safe to say he’d get hit a lot harder.
how does this do anything for QB safety, a supposed top concern for the league?
you can either a) get hit in the knees or b) get hit harder in the knees.
Agreed. The rule was illogical when it was put in back in 2012, and it hasn’t gotten any better. Hopefully we’ll see it changed, but since some coaches have already been trying for several years without any luck, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I wouldn’t doubt that the Ravens told Suggs to hit Bradford. The Browns (if Manziel sees the field at all) and Bengals both run the option, and the Steelers did it a couple times last year with Rothlisburger as well. I don’t think they so much care about us or Bradford as they do making it known to their division what they intend to do.
Seems like a pretty moveable deal. I’ll see myself out.
In 2 years, sure.
Sign and trades don’t happen in the NFL. The nature of the salary cap and how contracts work prevent this from happening.
Here’s why this isn’t a “get him under a friendly deal and trade him” situation.
If a team wants Kendrick right now they would be getting him on a 4 year contract where they would owe him $13million. That’s 3.25 a year for a young extremely talented linebacker. With no guaranteed money on their end.
Here’s why it would never ever happen:
-The Eagles would eat $16 million immediately (They don’t have the cap room to do it if they wanted to.
-The acquiring team would have to send a ridiculous draft haul (multiple first, a second and a couple fourths) to get the talented player on a ridiculously team friendly deal, as well as incentivizing the Eagles to eat that much dead money. Additionally off the ball linebackers are a relatively devalued position. You can get a really good one in the second round. So it doesn’t make sense for the acquiring team.
-The player would be pissed. He would have no guaranteed money left on his deal. Players hate that shit. The team would have also have negotiated with him in bad faith. It would be toxic for
attempting to sign FA or extend other players.
-I’m sure the union would have a righteous bitchfit. Deservedly so.
So in summary: SIGN AND TRADE DOESN”T HAPPEN IN THE NFL.
So you think the Eagles are looking to get a first and second rounder for him?
Maybe flip those and fifth for Mariotta?
Please tell me this is sarcasm.
You think they should get Mariotta and a 6th?
LOL
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So they’re going to sign and trade Kendricks is what I’m taking out of this.
OK I don’t like Kendricks anymore because his name automatically starts all rap talk, no football talk.
Random NFL and former Eagles notes:
1. Looks like Dion Lewis is going to take over Shane Vereen’s snaps in NE. Also looked like possibly their best player on first team.
2. The Toddfather should just retire. He gave up a sack on an inside stunt move and on the very next play got walked backwards into Andrew Luck’s lap on a bull rush.
3. All Colt Anderson does is make special team tackles.
4. Eli and Beckham are not on the same page at all.
5. Former future Eagles Brandin Cooks and Allen Robinson are going to see a lot of targets this year. So many good looking WRs in the draft last year.
I’m wondering what would be the process of acceptance for the commentariat if Kendricks had been traded for a 5th round draft pick instead of signed to a big deal. Would it have mirrored Boykins, where his physical deficiencies are highlighted, or more like Jaccpot, where his character is attacked?
I’ll go with #racist
Oh, oh! Can I have duck bias? Or, as I refer to it, feathering his nest.
Kendricks was picked two rounds ahead of Boykin for a reason (hint: talent)
Injury probably had quite a bit to do with it.
With this trio of ILB’s and the depth behind it, if we lose another OLB (especially Barwin), we might want to have some “hybrid” looks that look an awful lot like a 4-3, just saying.
I think this years Eagles will prove to be able to play with anyone…. Obviously there are still a few teams that would be favored to beat us like the Packers(debateable with Jordy gone), the seahawks (I like how we match up with them)… But we have the great Equalizer, a Special Teams unit that is a consistent weapon, in all Phases.. Whether Special Teams is racking up Points, or giving us consistent field position advantage, in close hard fought games, Special Teams can be the,difference between the Packers going to the Super Bowl, or losing the Confrence title game at the end because of a special Teams blunder…
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When we face the top teams, we really need our ST. to show up and outclass the opponents ST unit.., Eagles were Embarressed last time we went to Lambeau and we have plenty of players still on our team who were embarressed that day… Saturday is the dress Rehersal game, which Im sure GB will take serious now that they need to quickily prepare for like without Jordy…GB forced to take this game serious is a great opportunity for us to test ourself against the best our comfrence has to offer…. Our Special Teams show up every week, but Saturday I hope to see them make a real statement in Lambea..
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Saturday we finally unleash our Stud Linebackers. I want to see a Front 7 hungry to make Eddie Lacy completely irrelevant… We will remain Vanilla, but even without our ILB blitzes, twists, stunts, I want to see our pass rushers step up and win their one on one Battkes against one of the best OL in the league
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Maxwell is going to spend plenty of time matched up on the opponents #1’WR and he will prove to be able to handle it just fine, but with Saturday being the last chance to get our starters some work, Id like to see us work on the strategy of putting our best corner(Max) on the opponents #2 WR(Devante) and let him shut him down on an Island, and put our #2 CB Nolan, on the opponents top WR Cobb, with safety help from Thurmond.. Let Nolan get some work in against a stud like Cobb, with Safety help from Thurmond, knowing we can count on Maxwell to erase the 2nd year WR Devante Adams thrust into a main role because of Jordys injury
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And from Start to finish, I’d like to see our Special Teams unit completeky Steamroll their GB counterparts…. I want ST returns for TDs, I want punts downed inside the 10(hoping Boykins replacement emerges), I want returnmen stripped forcing fumbles… I want to see another game with Parkey back to his Sniper self… Just want to see our ST completely kick their ass and make McCarthy see flashbacks of their boneheaded ST plays costing them a SB bith..
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We should see a Potent Offense, built around an elite Rushiñg attack..we should see a Nasty opportunistic defense that completely shuts down run games and significantly tightens up on the backend… But even if we run into an offense or defense rated a little higher then ours, our ST play can be the great equalizers that allows us to play with anyone…the ST units show up every week, they can’t have let downs against the best teams, they need to elevate their games when we face teams like the Packers because they know how good they are and they know they are fully capable of being the difference in a close game,,
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I thought the John Harbaugh era of ST was Great, but Chip and Fipp literally have built the greatest ST unit I have ever seen
I’m sure I will be told I’m reading way too much into this, but is there a chance that this means the Eagles don’t like what they’re seeing from Jordan Hicks? The sense I got was that Kendricks wasn’t high character, play-diagnosing leader-type on the field the way that Demeco is, so the hope was Hicks (who supposedly very intelligent, high-character, and very athletic) could be that leader next to Kiko. The Eagles seemed REALLY high on him when they drafted him, and I think it’s weird they’d sign a 4-year deal with a cocky, oft-injured, short MLB like Kendricks if they liked what they saw out of Hicks.
I’m over the shock off all of Kelly’s crazy moves, and I concede that he’s taking some potentially great chances. Still, it’s nice to be pleasantly surprised. I had already started the narrative in my brain about Kendrick’s future being elsewhere. I hope this isn’t a ruse.