CAR 27, PHI 16

Posted: October 26th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 505 Comments »

So much for playing well. So much for getting above .500. The Eagles lost an ugly game, just a week after winning an ugly game.

The good news is that Sam Bradford didn’t throw a bunch of INTs. The bad news is that the Eagles passing attack was terrible. Bradford was 26-45-205 (and those were padded late) with 1 INT and no TDs. Dropped passes once again were a huge problem. The lone pick came on a throw that was a bit off target, but Jordan Matthews still should have caught it.

I talked about how this game would be won on the LOS. It was. But not by the Eagles. Carolina ran the ball well the whole game, 33-204-2. Jonathan Stewart was incredibly physical and drove back the pile on play after play. He was really impressive.

I was shocked at how efficient Cam Newton was as a pocket passer. He was 14-24-197. He did throw 3 INTs, but had bad luck involved with a couple. Nolan Carroll stole a ball away from a WR early on. Byron Maxwell got a gift on a deflected pass that came his way. Newton did put too much mustard on that pass, but the fact it was picked off was fluky.

Luke Kuechly and Thomas Davis were both amazing. They combined for 237 tackles and were all over the field. That might be a slight exaggeration, but not by much.

Any positives for the Eagles?

The Eagles ran 30 times for 177 yards.
Ryan Matthews had a 63-yard TD run.
Bradford did actually show some signs of life. He made some good throws.
The defense came up with 3 more takeaways.
Nobody died.

Jason Peters left the game with a back injury in the 1st half. We probably won’t know what his status is for a day or two at least. Matt Tobin took over at LT and played well until late in the game. When Carolina knew the Eagles had to throw, they were able to get the best of the OL. Dennis Kelly took over at RG and appeared to be solid for the most part.

The Eagles head into the bye week at 3-4. Chip Kelly and the staff have lots of issues to fix. The season isn’t over or anything like that, but the team is back in a hole and has to dig themselves out of it.

Carolina was the better team and they deserved to win. The Eagles are talented, but just too erratic. They aren’t good enough to drop passes and commit penalties and expect to beat a good team.

505 Comments on “CAR 27, PHI 16”

1 Finlay Jones said at 12:21 AM on October 26th, 2015:
4 drives in first half ended in dropped passes or penalty. Maybe more I didn’t take notice of.
2 mksp said at 12:23 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Night and day compared to last year’s game.
3 holeplug said at 12:31 AM on October 26th, 2015:
panthers got better. we got worse
4 Joe Minx said at 12:31 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Pretty much everything I said last night I was afraid would happen ended up coming true.
5 TheMeta88 said at 12:23 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Receivers needs to catch.
Mathews needs to start.
Bradford needs to cut his sleeves.
Bradford also needs to stop beaming his receivers hands. And stop throwing behind them. And stop throwing out of their reach.
But receivers also need to do a better job of getting open it seems.
6 Insomniac said at 12:38 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It helps when your WRs reach isn’t like 3 inches.
7 xeynon said at 12:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Seriously. Ertz is the only guy on the team I’ve seen go up and make a play on a high ball this year. I’m not sure if this is the worst group of receivers in Eagles history, but it’s definitely the worst in the air.
8 Insomniac said at 12:45 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yea seriously. I’ve wanted an Alshon Jeffery type guy for a long time. I don’t care if you can break a tackle if you can’t catch the damn ball in the first place. It’s like the chicken before the damn egg.
9 kimsarah said at 5:02 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s not like anybody is surprised that when you get rid of all your big-time play makers over the past couple seasons and replace them with less talent that this kind of shit happens.
10 Buge Halls said at 9:45 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Really? How’s all that “big time talent” doing on their new teams? Please, let that false narrative die already!
11 ChoTime said at 9:52 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Just because they’re not doing well on their new teams doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be doing well here.
12 Buge Halls said at 12:55 PM on October 26th, 2015:
NFL isn’t about history – it’s about right now. And right now they aren’t doing a dam thing!
13 ChoTime said at 1:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The critique is that Kelly got rid of players who helped us in the past. Pointing out those players are not doing well in a completely different situation, or happened to get injured, does not prove that they would not be helping us. So, while it does of course count as evidence, it does not fully exonerate Kelly or disprove the narrative that he goofed in unloading them.
14 Media Mike said at 5:04 AM on October 26th, 2015:
We would have actually had Alshon Jeffrey, but missed him by one spot.
15 the guy said at 12:25 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The defense isn’t terrible, and as an Eagles fan that pleases me immensely, but this team sucks. I have no analysis or clever comments. It’s just a bad team.
16 mksp said at 12:27 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Kirk Freaking Cousins is driving The Freaking Team That Plays in Washington on game-winning TD drives, and I have no faith that Sam Bradford can even get a 1st down.
Ugh.
17 kimsarah said at 5:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Sam makes Ryan Howard look like a clutch hitter by comparison.
18 kimsarah said at 5:05 AM on October 26th, 2015:
With that panicky deer in the headlights look, unable to make use of the half-decent pocket that’s given to him.
19 anon said at 5:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
pocket awareness is a big issue,
20 Sb2bowl said at 11:47 AM on October 26th, 2015:
What has he done in the weeks they haven’t played us or Tampa
21 mksp said at 12:28 AM on October 26th, 2015:
This guy man.
https://twitter.com/JoshPaunil/status/658499635712012288
22 The original AG said at 12:38 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Not enough. Catch the ball.
23 Insomniac said at 12:38 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Trade for Josh Gordon. If your name isn’t Cox, Logan, Hicks, and Kendricks then you’re a trade asset.
24 droid3000 said at 12:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
lol the day chip does something like that…
25 Insomniac said at 12:59 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Is the day when you know he wants to win instead of drafting choir boy WRs that like to talk and can’t catch.
26 xeynon said at 12:39 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I don’t agree with him on either of those points, but props to him for refusing to put the blame anywhere but on his poor performance. Now just stop talking about it, go out there, and catch the $%&#ing ball.
27 Iskar36 said at 2:57 AM on October 26th, 2015:
His football smarts has always been highly regarded, and it comes out there, but just because you work hard and say the right things, doesn’t guarantee you anything unfortunately.
28 anon said at 3:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
doesn[t sound as good when you’re not producing
29 Joe Minx said at 12:33 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Nobody died.
Wrong, Tommy! Another piece of my soul did!
OK, I might be exaggerating. A little.
30 Sb2bowl said at 11:48 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Or not
31 xeynon said at 12:43 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m going to disagree with you that the season isn’t over Tommy. Not because I don’t think we can make the playoffs – if Kelly gets some of the problems fixed, yeah, they can muddle through and maybe sneak in at 9-7. But because there are too many holes on this roster – many of them self-created by Kelly’s blundering in his first attempt at the GM role – for this team to have any chance of making a run in the playoffs. And that’s ultimately the only thing that matters.
Our offensive line isn’t good enough. Our receiving corps isn’t good enough. Our quarterback isn’t good enough. Our pass rush isn’t good enough. Those are four things it’s really hard to overcome. This is a mediocre team at best. There’s just no point in trying to convince ourselves otherwise.
32 Insomniac said at 12:47 AM on October 26th, 2015:
This team has to be rebuilt.
33 kimsarah said at 5:08 AM on October 26th, 2015:
So does the playbook. Sweep runs don’t work with a QB that isn’t a threat to run.
34 Sb2bowl said at 11:49 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It was rebuilt, 8 months ago! Damn guys, give it some time.
35 Joe Minx said at 12:54 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Sad but true. Was just listening to Mike Quick on the postgame show assuring John Clark that these things are correctable.
Has anyone been keeping track of how long they’ve been saying that now? Week after week, these things are correctable. Yet they never get corrected. They said the same thing last year too & they corrected their way right out of a playoff spot.
At what point do people just realize this is what they are?
36 kimsarah said at 5:10 AM on October 26th, 2015:
They just had a problem of execution. If fundamentals don’t get fixed, then someone is liable to get executed.
37 The original AG said at 1:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I disagree, our OL has played well generally. There were holes for Mathews and Murray. Bradford had time.
I agree about our WR. I can’t figure out Bradford. Right now to me he’s average. He makes some good throws and he makes some bad ones. I’d like to see him in a game where there aren’t so many drops.
My issues:
– WR – too many drops
– Coaching – seemed like a conservative game plan
I don’t know if it’s execution or the players or both. I’m just disappointed that I feel like we have talent but can’t translate it to the field.
38 ChoTime said at 9:59 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Hmmm, I’m not saying it’s likely, but this team could improve. The WR could get a little better. The OL can get better. The D can dial up blitzes. Sam can, theoretically, improve. (He could be benched, which would likely improve the position immediately). Are we going to beat the Pack at Lambeau this year? Well, probably not. But that’s why they play the games.
39 Insomniac said at 12:51 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Trade Kiko for Josh Gordon?
40 ConcussedFB said at 12:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Is Josh Gordon injured?
41 Insomniac said at 12:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Slightly in the head and probably in the heart too with all that booze.
42 ConcussedFB said at 1:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Let’s do it.
43 anon said at 1:08 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Matthews leads the league in drops and has been held under 60 yards in 5-of-7 games this year. He’ll take a 39/398/1 line into the Eagles’ Week 8 bye.
44 anon said at 1:09 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Bradford has 1,766 yards and a 9:10 TD/INT ratio going into the Eagles bye.
45 Media Mike said at 5:08 AM on October 26th, 2015:
So you’re telling me that 170/274 (62%) / 1,766 yards, 6.45/attempt, 9TDs/10INTs for a rating of 76.4 isn’t good?
Makes one wonder why 101/181 (55.8%) / 1,275 yards, 7.04/attempt, 9 TDs / 7 INTs for a rating of 78.4 makes Cam an MVP candidate?
46 anon said at 5:14 AM on October 26th, 2015:
bc his team is 6-0
47 Media Mike said at 5:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Team game.
And Andy Dalton is 130/193 (67.4%), 9.12 / attempt, 14 TD / 2 INTs, with a rating of 116; but has WAY less pub for MVP.
48 anon said at 5:19 AM on October 26th, 2015:
also has receivers you’ve heard of
49 Crus57 said at 11:07 AM on October 26th, 2015:
so are the Broncos, but it’s unlikely Peyton gets any MVP hype this year.
50 Media Mike said at 7:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Denver looking like the 2000 Ravens is kind of odd.
51 ChoTime said at 10:02 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Cam is also one of the best running QBs in the league. Leaving that part out is a non-starter.
52 holeplug said at 10:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
he’s still not even close to an MVP candidate
53 ChoTime said at 11:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
true (in the world of “makes sense”, which we don’t live in)
54 Media Mike said at 7:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Running is not any part of what I consider to be good quarterbacking.
55 anon said at 1:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
maybe we need sanchez?
56 kimsarah said at 5:11 AM on October 26th, 2015:
or calvin peete
57 Media Mike said at 5:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
No thanks.
58 Mr. Magee said at 1:14 AM on October 26th, 2015:
“The Eagles are talented…” Hmmm…
59 The original AG said at 1:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
We are a flawed team, but three places are killing us.
– WR
– QB
– Coaching
And it’s not like it’s not fixable.
– Catch the ball
– Make better decisions
– Don’t be conservative
60 anon said at 1:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
ol? star rb avg 3 ypc
61 The original AG said at 1:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Fix the other 3 and I don’t think it’s as big a problem.
62 justanotherdummy said at 2:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Be more conservative. Take the ball out of Bradford’s hands and run run run.
63 Nelson ALGore said at 10:37 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I think that was the plan this year…. then our o-line happened
64 anon said at 1:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
sad that when you’re plus 2 on the TO margin you still can’t win.
65 kimsarah said at 5:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Losing to a good team isn’t the problem. It’s losing or even winning sloppily.
66 BlindChow said at 1:36 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I just finished watching the game, and surprisingly, I’m not outraged. No huge mistakes like in previous games (other than drops, but at least Bradford wasn’t a turnover machine). It feels to me like a game that could have gone either way.
I’m really disappointed in the run defense, though. I think if they could have actually stopped some runs, Cam would have made way more mistakes.
67 Mr. Magee said at 1:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I agree, but you knew the D (and specifically the run D) would give out at some point. What is depressingly apparent at this point is the lack of talent on O… Can’t be disappointed in them, because they are what they are: Bad.
68 cmengel said at 1:39 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I have a question. This loss can’t be blamed on Sam; however, a trend has developed over his career: receivers dropping passes. His receivers with the Rams were not good, ours were better last year. Is there something about his delivery, velocity or spin, that creates problems?
Not trying to make excuses, but would like to hear everyone’s thoughts.
69 Mr. Magee said at 2:01 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You make an interesting observation. If I had to guess, I don’t think there’s any correlation between the drops in St Louis and the ones in Phila… Meaning, a drop is a drop is a drop. I don’t think it’s anything Sam is doing. He might throw some short passes too hard, but that’s about all I can detect on TV, and that’s not enough to explain everything we’re seeing.
As for Bradford’s play overall, I’d say he’s just not that good… ie, He is what we saw when he was with the Rams. Certainly the receivers are not helping him out any, but I certainly don’t think he’s a guy we can build around. Sure wish we had that 2nd round pick in next year’s draft…
70 kimsarah said at 5:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Brady had about 9 drops tonight and NE still won
71 bentheimmigrant said at 5:51 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Even more. I counted at least two after the commentators said there had been 10. Crazy.
72 Mac said at 10:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Those pesky fully inflated balls.
73 Always Hopeful said at 2:01 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I’ve been wondering about this my. Does he throw a catchable ball? It do seem like it at times.
74 Nelson ALGore said at 2:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Defenses seem to catch a lot of his balls no problem…
75 anon said at 2:44 AM on October 26th, 2015:
looked catcheable in pre season, that one 10-pass stretch he had
76 Always Hopeful said at 6:01 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Oh, you mean th “Fool’s Gold Era”? I bought that too.
77 Sb2bowl said at 11:55 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Don’t you means “Foles gold era”?
78 Nelson ALGore said at 2:21 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Actually I remember a lot of drops last year too. We need an NFL WR corp
79 ChoTime said at 10:05 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I did some scouting on a Ram’s forum and there were multiple comments that Sam was actually responsible for many of the drops. Not that fans tend to be very objective, but they do at least see their guys play. I think it’s clear that Sam’s lack of touch/FootballIQ/etc is part of the problem–a “thing”; at least in the same way that Donnie’s wormburners were a thing.
80 Sb2bowl said at 11:54 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It seems like his passes drop out, sort of like a quasi-nfl curveball. And when the trajectory isn’t pointed down, our wr’s drop the pass because they are expecting a different rotation (see Austin, Miles on our last gasp 4th down attempt).
81 Eagles_Fan_in_San_Fran said at 1:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yes, way too many dropped balls, but you can’t pin it all on the receivers.
Bradford’s also not putting the ball where it needs to be.
82 The original AG said at 1:51 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yes, putting it on their hands is too much to ask.
83 SteveH said at 8:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Can’t we all agree that it’s a little of column A a little of column B? I see Bradford off target on some throws and I see guys dropping catchable balls.
84 bill said at 8:50 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Up until this week? Yes, and probably more of column Sam than column Receiver. But, last night, even the pick, which was slightly behind Matthews, still hit him on the right side of his chest. Not perfect placement, but that’s a catch that has to be made.
I know there were 2 or 3 others, but the only one I can put my finger on right now was the corner route to I think Ertz that Sam didn’t put enough loft on, and Norman was able to deflect it. Otherwise, Sam was on target for the vast majority of his 42 throws, his receivers just really let him down.
Compare that with the way Carolina’s maligned receiving corps was just plucking Cam’s high and wide missiles out of the air and turning up field in one motion, and that game is a pretty big indictment of the Eagles’ receiving corps.
85 ChoTime said at 10:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Let’s look at the receivers last year:
Cooper 58%
Huff 44%
Austin 65%
Ertz 65%
Celek 65%
Matthews 65%
2015
Matthews 64%
Huff 79%
Cooper 48%
Ags 47%
Austin 47%
Ertz 56%
Celek 83%
What does it all mean!? Don’t know… but there are some bad numbers going on this year.
86 Buge Halls said at 9:52 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The TD that Huff popped up was right in his hands, just over the defender, and about a yard or so from the back of the endzone – EXACTLY where it should have been. It hit Huff’s hands and bounced up and landed on his head.
87 BobSmith77 said at 2:02 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I had it 23-16 Panthers because of a slow start and too many miscues in the preview game thread.
Just a pretty flawed team that is fortunate to play in a pretty flawed division. For all of their flaws too, every loss could have gone either way late in the 4th qtr.
Regroup, yet a few guys healthy, and bury the Boys’ season in 2 weeks.
88 BobSmith77 said at 2:06 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Can this team win 8 or 9 games yet? I say ‘yeah’ but how they get their likely determines if they win the NFC East.
89 kimsarah said at 5:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
8 and 8 is starting to look optimistic
90 Buge Halls said at 9:53 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Maybe if we play the Cowboys four more times…
91 Joe Minx said at 2:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
https://twitter.com/JClarkCSN/status/658503056552775680
92 Insomniac said at 2:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Bet it was Bradford
93 Joe Minx said at 2:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Honestly wouldn’t blame him.
94 Buge Halls said at 9:54 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Pretty sure it wasn’t anybody on the defense – they know how to do it already!
95 Nelson ALGore said at 10:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Funny a stadium full of fans yell this at every home game, I imagine
96 Joe Minx said at 2:27 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Malcolm Jenkins not messing around
“Hopefully, it lights a fire under some people.”
“So especially on this bye week, we need to start taking a hard look at ourselves from a coaching standpoint and from a players standpoint, and everybody’s got to be critical of themselves and figure out where they need to get better.”
“I mean … I would say so,” he said at his locker. “I wouldn’t say it was on any individual, but you look at it throughout the game, there’s always a play here, a play there or a mental error here, and we just need guys to be able to lock in for the entire game and make the plays that they’re supposed to make for the team.
“Not for themselves, not for whatever but the team needs guys to make these plays, and I’m included in that.”
“Nobody’s above that. And like I said,
over these next couple weeks guys need to really take a hard look at
what they bring to the able and what they need to get better at.”
97 Joe Minx said at 2:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
https://twitter.com/JonDorenbos/status/658499629248573440
98 Insomniac said at 2:30 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Our longsnapper taking more accountability than Jordan frigging Matthews.
99 jaws80 said at 2:34 AM on October 26th, 2015:
From Kempski May 10, 2014
” [Huff] has an issue with drops. The drops that I saw appear to be more of matter of a loss of concentration as opposed to bad hands. The Eagles’ second round pick, Jordan Matthews, often struggled with drops in college, as did last year’s second round pick Zach Ertz. The Eagles may think that issues with drops is a fixable trait.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/nfl_draft/Eagles-3rd-round-pick-Josh-Huff-review-Big-plays-blocking-and-drops.html#2VzvKCc4VuoC3qUd.99
Then a random scout said this in 2014 comparing Beckham to Mathews, difference is speed and hands:
“Hands: “Really, really, really good hands,” the NFC scout said of Beckham. “He doesn’t drop anything. Matthews’ hands are above average, but he’ll drop some. I think that what put him in the second round.”
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/10/scouts_report_odell_beckham_vs_jordan_matthews.html
I would not be surprised if part of Chip’s talent evaluation philosophy is to not pay too much attention to drop rates. He might think other talent evaluators put too much importance on drop rates and thus creates a market inefficiency that he has tried to take advantage of.
This scout says drops are what make Mathews a second round pick and we have learned supposedly Chip wanted Mathews with the first round pick, so had him as a first round talent, likely disregarding his drops.
Coaching he may think can fix drops. Maybe this is what happens when you ignore the pure catching ability part of evaluating receiver talent.
Kelly has said if you give exceptions to height limits on defense, then you may find yourself with a short tackle backed up by a short linebacker backed up by a short safety and then the defense gets run over.
Perhaps if you don’t value drop rate in the same way you value height, then you end up with a tight end, next to a slot receiver, next to an outside receiver that all have drop issues they need to “work through” – that all need to “concentrate more” and end up with strings of drops as the QB goes from one receiver to another.
100 Joe Minx said at 2:38 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You may be able to place less emphasis on drops & here & there, but if you have an entire receiving corps made up of those kinds of guys then you end up like this.
101 eagleyankfan said at 9:04 AM on October 26th, 2015:
How is that possible? CK measures all their hands!!!
102 mksp said at 9:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Good find.
This is the one aspect of team building that I 100%, fundamentally disagree with Chip Kelly about.
I think hands are a natural talent, and you can spend 40 hours a week on a jug machine, but when it comes to game time, you either can catch the ball, or you’re fighting it the entire time.
Some guys (T.O.) are talented enough that it doesn’t matter. Some (not most) guys do manage to improve over time.
But it’s a flawed premise.
I have better hands than Jordan Matthews, and that’s gonna be a problem.
103 Cafone said at 2:35 AM on October 26th, 2015:
They should start Ertz at WR.
104 Mac said at 10:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Then we’d have one WR who can catch and a TE who can catch (Celek). Sounds like a plan.
105 Joe Minx said at 2:43 AM on October 26th, 2015:
D3FB’s not going to be happy with Jimmy. He’s ripping Tobin. Said he got beat like a rented mule.
106 Nelson ALGore said at 2:57 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Thats usually what happens when a guard plays LT and is matched up against a multiple time prow bowl pass rushing specialist…
107 Sb2bowl said at 11:59 AM on October 26th, 2015:
He’s more of a pure LT then he is a RG; actually prefer him there when Peters can’t go.
108 Nelson ALGore said at 3:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
LG is hi natural spot and I think given the situation he played about as well as he good.
There was a 3rd down wr screen last night to Huff that I feel was just a terrible call.
109 Sb2bowl said at 1:17 PM on October 27th, 2015:
Wasn’t a fan of that play call either. Go for the sticks, or at least try to make a shorter fg attempt
110 Media Mike said at 5:11 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Tobin looked really terrible on one pass block; I didn’t see him get beat at OT badly other than that. I’d much rather rip Kelce.
111 SteveH said at 8:19 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Agreed, I thought Tobin did admirably well considering the circumstances. He did get beat twice in a row pretty bad near the end, but what can you do, Tobin isn’t meant to be a LT.
112 Buge Halls said at 9:58 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Kelce has had two bad weeks in a row
113 Media Mike said at 7:26 PM on October 26th, 2015:
And that nonsense snap in the first game or two as well.
114 D3FB said at 6:21 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Tobin is not a LT. That’s not at all a good situation for him. In my writeup of his college tape I had the following:
“Played LT in one game, Dear God NO MAS”
Tobin can be effective when there is still a run threat, because he can quick set and do other things to keep the DE off balance. He did a decent job until the very end against WAS, when they were able to pin their ears back and fly upfield. I missed the game live, but the impression I got from twitter was it was very late when Tobin started to really struggle. Tobin vs the guy with the 9th most sacks in league history is not a good matchup.
115 Ark87 said at 10:48 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It was kinda of funny, at first it was like, alright this isn’t so bad, positive runs, protection is fine, and their D is getting tired. We might be able to get through this. Then the moment they knew we weren’t going to run the ball, dear Jesus no. That was not good lol. On the plus side:
A: Bradford looked solid
B: the run game was going against a very good defense that was taking plenty of measures against the run.
For future reference, we just need to make sure we don’t get into a situation where we have to pass every down.
116 Buge Halls said at 9:57 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Haven’t seen the article, but I’d have to disagree. I think for the most part he did a great job. He fell apart at the end, but most of his time in there he was solid – as the Neck (Collingsworth) pointed out several times.
117 Cafone said at 2:45 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You know it’s bad when you’re thinking “we really need to get Riley Cooper more involved.”
118 Nelson ALGore said at 2:58 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I down voted this once just to uproot it again!
atlas we know he’s ready to fight every panther in there lol
119 jaws80 said at 3:04 AM on October 26th, 2015:
truth. i actually did think that then realized team is screwed when it gets to that level
120 BobSmith77 said at 1:15 PM on October 26th, 2015:
http://180degreehealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/dave-chapelle-crack.png
Likely reaction you would have gotten before the season started if you uttered this after Week 7. Even crackheads would have done a double take.
121 Nelson ALGore said at 2:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I Love Bennie Logan….
But how the fuck do u get back to back encroachment penalties when ur face is right on top of the ball in a critical situation
122 Media Mike said at 5:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Because you and your teammates don’t care to put forth the effort to bring the proper focus to your job.
123 CrackSammich said at 10:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
lol. at you, not the comment.
124 Media Mike said at 7:27 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I don’t find anything funny about a guy not being focused to do his job properly.
125 CrackSammich said at 9:26 AM on October 27th, 2015:
The implication that a bunch of professional athletes, who are probably 10x as hard working as you and me, are are not focused on their job, is absolutely fucking laughable. I’m just imagining you sitting there at work, procrastinating, completely missing the irony of your statement.
126 Media Mike said at 3:53 PM on October 27th, 2015:
Two things.
1) You hear coaches rip players for focus issues all the time.
2) You might want to check the times I’ve posted before you make an accusation about who is on here at work or not. I don’t need to interrupt my work day to explain to the likes of you that these guys aren’t Teflon when it comes to getting ripped for poor levels of focus in doing their jobs. In the event you’re keeping score; I’m at work from about 6:30 to 3:30.
127 Nelson ALGore said at 3:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I don’t think this is right. Seems to me that the defense is the only part of team u can kind of count on. Focus want there but I def saw effort.
128 Media Mike said at 7:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I didn’t see a lot of “want to” with the D in run tackling yesterday.
129 Nelson ALGore said at 9:58 PM on October 26th, 2015:
If anything I think they were more focused on trying to force t/o. The “Swarm tackling” Wasn’t there yesterday but thats not typical of this defense.
Carolina is the classic offense that needs favorable 3rd and 2. Stopping them on 1st and 2nd would have exposed Cam more as a passer and is kinda what our defense is about
130 A_T_G said at 7:20 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I don’t know about that either. Logan was talking to the official and point at something, but I didn’t see it. The first one, Cam pulled out to audible but no one even twitched on the second one.
131 mksp said at 9:30 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yeah, I wonder if the C manipulated the ball somehow.
132 Sb2bowl said at 12:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That’s the impression I got, will watch it again to get a better idea
133 Sean Stott said at 3:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s whack a mole with this team’s issues. I give up.
134 jaws80 said at 3:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
it does seem a team full of “issues” and games have become when they show us their “issues of the week” rather than just being a team with strengths and weaknesses, like any sports team, and games being back and forth competitions with the better team that day winning, rather than the “team that played less worse” winning. Even when they win by 20, their “issues” seem to outshine the win.
135 porkrind1 said at 9:05 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yep, if it’s not one problem it’s another, and usually more than one problem compounding each other.
136 jaws80 said at 3:37 AM on October 26th, 2015:
“What’s more, the ball Foles throws is easier to catch. Take off velocity, and receivers have an easier time holding onto the ball. One remarkable note Jeff Fisher mentioned in a press conference earlier this week, is that the Rams receivers had “No drops” against Seattle. Now flip the old memory switch on, and think about the last few years as a Rams fan as we watched pass after pass being dropped…”
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/9/19/9349477/st-louis-rams-watching-both-foles-and-bradford
Just like Eagles receivers all have individual history of dropping passes, (except for Mathews last year with only 5 drops and no Bradford throwing), Bradford has a well established history of St Louis receivers dropping pass after pass. I used to blame the St Louis receivers, but likely not a coincidence or a curse he has. Must be something with his throwing.
In the article the quote above was from the writer even blames Bradfords incredible pinpoint accuracy as a reason his passes are dropped:
“Every Rams receiver has the base talent to be in the NFL, but they’ve never been in a position to shine. Bradford relied on pin-point, “you-better-be-there”, passes. Small catch windows in tight coverage were the norm. If a pass was completed, everyone hailed Bradford’s accuracy. But life isn’t accurate at all, and relying on it is a fools errand at best.”
Screw it. I was about to write about how Bradford’s lack of accuracy this year is the problem. Receivers dont know where the ball will be when they turn around, usually behind them. And receivers dont know what pace to except, sometimes bullets, sometimes with some touch, like i think the last dropped pass. Elite QBs, like all two of them this year, throw time after time right to the hands of the receiver when the receiver turns around, they could almost sometimes it seems catch the ball eyes closed, just hold out hands where Brady usually throws it to and it will be there. Our receivers dont even know if they turn around if the ball will be ten or twenty yards away because of the option issues they are having.
So Bradford was blamed in St Louis for the drops because he was too accurate, and I want to blame him here because he is too inaccurate.
137 kimsarah said at 5:17 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Foles worked the pocket well too. And eyeballed 2nd and 3rd receivers without panicking.
138 D3FB said at 6:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
If by worked the pocket well you mean backpedaled 10 yards beyond his launch point then sure.
139 ChoTime said at 10:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yeah, Foles’ pocket technique leave much to be desired. But he got the job done better than Bradford IMO. What do you think D3FB, so far, do you think SB is better than Foles?
140 D3FB said at 10:50 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I’d say pretty equal, at least within the margin of normal variance.
Foles was not the long term answer.
Bradford does not appear to be the long term answer.
The trade valuation sucked (I’ve maintaind Kelly is bad at valuation, although if he gets most evaluations right I don’t really care) but I didn’t mind the trade. Long term the one year cap hit and second round draft pick are drops in the bucket. He took a chanec and it looks like it probably won’t work out, but I’ll take that over moving forward with known mediocrity.
The sad part is baring Goff getting a full Bridgewater treatment Kelly may never get a good QB. We have a very good and young defense, two talented backs, I have confidence in the young WR’s making strides, and frankly the OL can be completely rebuilt with this upcoming draft.
If Sam doesn’t work out part of me hope Kellys says fuck it, and goes and finds 4 cheap underappreciated mobile QBs and completely opens up the offense. Trade Sanchez for whatver you can get for him. Get Trevone Boykin on day 3, Dak Prescott as a UDFA, sign Rakeem Cato from the CFL, and give the Browns a conditional 7th for Connor Shaw.
Conventional wisdom says you can’t go with undersized mobile guys as your QBs because they won’t make it 16 games. I say we’ll overcome the fact they are average passers with the contant threat of run, and if one gets hurt, well we are paying all 4 less combined than Sanchez makes as a backup.
Exploit the market inneffiency. If Chip is gonna go out, let him go out swinging.
141 Ark87 said at 10:55 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I had the same thought with loading up 3 deep on those types lol. At the time I was more looking at all these guys hanging out on the bottom of rosters because they just don’t have the tools to succeed in a traditional NFL offense.
142 D3FB said at 11:06 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Yea the guys are out there. You would have your pick of the bunch.
At a minimum it’s gonna be fun as hell to watch. You could probably trash alot of teams too.
In the long term it’s not like Kelly would be doing permanant damage to the roster because the rest of the team would be operated normally.
Frankly I’m just terrified of the prospect of Sanchez in ’16 praying to hell a Nate Sudfield or Carson Wentz can become something.
143 sonofdman said at 11:34 AM on October 26th, 2015:
“The sad part is baring Goff getting a full Bridgewater treatment Kelly may never get a good QB.”
Sure he will. When Tennessee hires him to be their next coach.
144 ChoTime said at 12:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Thank you. I agree with your concept about getting undervalued mobile guys and just going for it. I was hoping he would do this as well. Go against the grain, esp. if it’s what you do well. I’d rather be the guy going the opposite way of rush hour.
145 Joe Minx said at 1:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Best plan I’ve read yet. I hope this happens.
146 Nelson ALGore said at 4:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Bridgewater, Carr, Dalton, Rodgers, Wilson,
All available in the draft without being top 15 picks. All Franchise QBs. Its up to chip to develop QB position. We need to stop acting like it can’t be done.
147 D3FB said at 6:45 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Bridgewater and Rodgers were both bluechips that the league overthought.
Dalton and Wilson are both glorified game managers. They win on strong defense and run games. They both are QBs on arguably the two most talented rosters in the league. (I’m not buying 6 weeks of Dalton quite yet)
I will admit I blew the evaluation on Carr. He’s absolutely a totally different player than he was coming out.
148 Nelson ALGore said at 7:14 AM on October 27th, 2015:
If we had the same level of qb play as any of these guys are capable of we would be leading this division no problem. All I want from chip in the draft is to find a qb,ol,db that he likes and get them. Don’t care about labels or pedigree or who should go where.
Eli Manning has never impressed me but with a very good defense he has been “Good Enough” to win 2 Superbowls.
Todd Bowles is winning with Fitzpatrick
Arizona is winning with Palmer
Rex flipping ryan has gotten good qb play from Tyrod Taylor
149 Nelson ALGore said at 7:18 AM on October 27th, 2015:
And in Daltons defense he has led his team to multiple playoffs and just getting there is half the battle.
Anybody who says he’s never won a playoff game is right but GETTING there gives u a shot to get hot and win it all. Look at Flacco and Eli for exhibit A and B.
150 Media Mike said at 7:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Convention is wise. I don’t want to see any of that running QB garbage here.
151 RobNE said at 8:01 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The Pats had I think 9 drops yesterday. I don’t think anyone will say Brady throws a bad ball.
Really, what would possibly make us all think, well if Matthews, Austin, Huff etc. are dropping the ball, it must be that Bradford’s spirals are different. These receivers have not earned the right to any conspiracy theory.
152 porkrind1 said at 9:04 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Except that Matthew’s looked a lot better last year. But maybe that could be an isolated season and small sample size.
153 RobNE said at 9:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
he had drops in the beginning of the year and then got better. I hope he is great. I’m just saying the fact that Matthews is dropping the ball much, much more likely means Matthews has problems with drops than it does that Bradford throws an odd spiral. It’s been Matthews’ problem back thru college.
154 porkrind1 said at 9:26 AM on October 26th, 2015:
That makes sense.
155 mksp said at 9:32 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The majority of these were Brandon LeFell (like, 6 of them), who was playing hist first game of the year.
156 porkrind1 said at 9:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I’ve been wondering about that too. Everything looks “out of sync.” Even when Bradford makes a good pass to a receiver, the receiver looks surprised or out of control. I think a lot of the drops are Bradford’s inconsistency, and maybe firing some bullets because he is throwing a moment late. Really, there are probably too many problems between the QB and WR’s to isolate it to one issue, and they should all be better than they are at this point.
157 Buge Halls said at 10:00 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Although most of the swing passes dropped by the running backs were easy touch passes.
158 lewel said at 11:07 AM on October 26th, 2015:
“The passes are too accurate to catch” Yeah, right. Let’s stop carrying Jordan’s water. He needs to catch the ball. it’s actually as simple as that.
159 JoeBlow said at 3:58 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Not trying to deflect from the rage and disappointment from our beloved football team, please continue…this team deserves the scorn.
But did anyone get a chance to see the full video of Greg Hardy going nuts on the Dallas sideline? Slapping away the coaches clipboard out of his hands and him and the coach shoving each other…..Jerry Jones said he was just showing “leadership”….no Jerry that’s a guy with anger issues who still has the mentality of a 5 year old
160 A_T_G said at 7:17 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I hope Jerry is right. It would be fun to watch the rest of the team follow him.
161 RobNE said at 7:59 AM on October 26th, 2015:
NE radio played Hardy’s locker room interview. About 10 people asked questions about a wide variety of topics, and half way thru each question he said “No comment next question”. Pretty funny.
162 SteveH said at 8:17 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Greg Hardy is like a powder keg waiting to explode. I think he’s a genuinely kind of scary dude.
163 ChoTime said at 10:23 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Defensive players tend to be like that, tbh.
164 SteveH said at 12:18 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Not like Hardy. I mean besides the domestic violence incident which was scary enough on his own, he then goes and makes a stripper heavy rap video (strange when combined when the recent domestic violence charge), then makes really weird kind of creepy statements about Brady’s wife and his wife’s sister, then he has this recent on field explosion… The guy just seems a little unhinged to me.
165 ChoTime said at 12:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Just remember Colin Cowherd making a semi-joke about knowing which college teams were going to have good defenses by how many arrests they had.
166 CrackSammich said at 10:36 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Gotta give the coach credit there. Going after a convicted violent criminal that’s twice your size and in the best shape of his life, in pads no less. Balls of steel.
167 Media Mike said at 5:03 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Gutless. More needless penalties, unfocused drops, and an overall lack of willingness to tackle ball carries at the point of first contact.
This team couldn’t have less character if it tried.
They have some serious work to get done during the bye week.
168 anon said at 5:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
yeah bmax made a business decision on tolbert. probably where you miss having meco out there.
169 Media Mike said at 5:14 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Maxwell was brutal on that. But so were Jenkins for refusing to wrap up, Kendricks for overrunning the play, and the other two guys who flashed late because they were too slow rallying to the ball.
170 A_T_G said at 7:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Maxwell went for the ball that was hanging out away from Tolbert’s body.
171 SteveH said at 8:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I kind of saw him halfheartedly flailing at the ball, but that’s stupid in that situation. What was he planning on doing knocking it out of bounds? To me in that situation “going for the ball” is the same kind of stuff Asante used to do. Except Asante was good for 6-10 interceptions a year at least.
172 RobNE said at 9:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
so he makes the tackle and it’s first and goal at the one. Chances are prob like 80% they score a TD.
173 kimsarah said at 5:18 AM on October 26th, 2015:
What is it with the officiating this year? These aren’t even scab refs.
174 anon said at 5:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
the real issue tonight is that sanchez didnt play. remember what he did to this team last year?
175 TypicalDouche said at 7:43 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Who cares what Sanchez did to then last year. He also took over a 6-2 team and lost out on the playoffs. Keep beating the Sanchez drum for nothing he isn’t coming in
176 anon said at 5:20 AM on October 26th, 2015:
i guess the good news is that we’re not overpaying anyone to drop the football. just overpaying the person throwing it.
177 bill said at 8:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Really? This is not the week to pick on Bradford. I can think of maybe 2 or 3 throws he’d want to have back, out of 42. His receivers really let him down this week, and it was noticeable as Carolina’s receivers bailed out Cam multiple times by plucking ICBMs out of the air above their heads without so much as a bobble.
Bradford also moved quite well in the pocket, something he had been struggling with. Is he worth a $20M contract? No. He’s going to have to be more consistent, but I struggle to see how he was the problem last night. As far as causes last night, I even put him below the D, who while generating 3 turnovers, gave up 24 points against an average offense, and generally just got moved around at will by the Carolina OL. 200 yards rushing? That D line just got pantsed on national tv.
178 RobNE said at 9:13 AM on October 26th, 2015:
the read option when run well with someone like Cam is really tough to defend.
I too was more concerned/disappointed in the drops (yet again) than the QB, and for some reason that has me slightly more optimistic than I would normally be.
179 bill said at 10:41 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The Ravens have shown how to defend the read option – hit the QB in the knees *every* time you run it. Problem was, the D line was on roller skates 3 or 4 yards downfield by that point in time. They weren’t in a position to tackle the RB that they committed to, let alone anything else.
180 Buge Halls said at 10:05 AM on October 26th, 2015:
When the balls consistently hit receivers in their hands, the problem isn’t with the receivers. It’s lack of concentration (or maybe just lack of talent). How many of those running back sweep easy tosses have been dropped? Three last night?
181 A_T_G said at 10:06 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You mean the problem IS with the receivers, right?
182 Buge Halls said at 12:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yeah -meant it isn’t with the guy throwing it.
183 A_T_G said at 1:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That is what it sounded like from the rest of your comment.
184 Buge Halls said at 3:18 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That’s what I get for letting work get in the way of my commenting!
185 Anders said at 7:34 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Jordan Matthews please step up and prove me wrong for why I didnt like you in the draft…..
186 Donald Kalinowski said at 7:43 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The 2014 draft class is starting to look like shit. Jordan Matthews is just average while Marcus Smith and Josh Huff are busts. I still don’t get the point of releasing Evan Mathis.
187 Mitchell said at 8:00 AM on October 26th, 2015:
We’d be lucky if Matthews was average this year.
188 mksp said at 9:34 AM on October 26th, 2015:
MSII will be okay, but I don’t think it’s happening this year.
Taylor Hart will be a good rotation DL for a while.
189 NinjaP said at 7:54 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It is time to put Sam on the bench so we can get a 4th round pick and at least salvage something from that stupid trade.
190 EaglesFANqq said at 8:00 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Ever single one of these eagles games have been ugly. The wins and losses. Chip Kelly is bad.
191 NinjaP said at 8:00 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I hear the hurricanes have a job opening.
192 Julescat said at 10:23 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Andy Reid can’t coach!
thank God we got rid of him
193 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:07 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It is kind of funny how the Eagles had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL the last 3 years. And then the year Sam Bradford comes along Mathis is released, Peters starts declining, and the already subpar guards are being replaced with even more subpar guards due to injury.
We also went from Jackson/Maclin to Matthews/Huff.
194 Buge Halls said at 10:07 AM on October 26th, 2015:
How is that receiver tandem of Jackson/Maclin doing this year? Has Jackson even sniffed the field? Maclin can’t find the endzone to save his life!
195 EaglesFANqq said at 8:09 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Can someone reexplain to me why Mathis was cut?
196 bill said at 8:33 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Because he left his Lazor gun in 2013.
197 Donald Kalinowski said at 8:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
This is what happens when you only draft 1 offensive lineman in 4 years. Mathis, Herremans, and Peters were all in their 30s since 2012. What the fuck were the Eagles thinking?
198 EaglesFANqq said at 11:35 AM on October 26th, 2015:
It was CHip Kelly. Not the Eagles. If it were up to the Eagles they would have drafted a OL like I was saying.
199 MattE said at 8:20 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I feel bad for our defense… they held their end of the bargain up.
200 Patrick said at 8:51 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Sorry, but 200 rushing yards with a 6.4 average is not holding up your end up the bargain, even against Cam Newton. No doubt the offense is to blame, but when you allow that amount of rushing to a run first Carolina Panthers team, allowing them to control the game, you’re not innocent.
Still, at this point I’d rather improve the defense and try to create a dominant unit, than try and fix the offense. I’m done with Bradford. I’m done with this whole OL savings time and done with WR by committee. Time for a rebuild of the offense, because they fucking suck.
201 MattE said at 11:00 AM on October 26th, 2015:
We would have a 8 ypc average as a team if Cam played QB for us lol… i think our defense is ONLY concerned about turnovers (and points obviously), yards/TOP be damned its all about giving the offense another opportunity and “stealing” points… don’t give up touchdowns and create turnovers.
202 Corry said at 8:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
How many times can you run that stretch play before you learn that Kuechly and Davis are going to reach the sideline before any of your lineman can get in front of him? The play calling was idiotic.
I don’t know what to say about the drops. They need to stop. And yes, “CATCH THE FUCKIN’ BALL.”
203 SteveH said at 8:31 AM on October 26th, 2015:
On the positive side Malcom Jenkins keeps playing well.
On the negative side Bennie Logan had back to back offsides calls. Lined up on the nose over the football. Woof.
204 bubqr said at 8:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Surprised to see so many fans pissed off at Sam Bradford, as it might have been his best game of the season. Not his fault his WRs can’t get open and/or catch the ball when they are.
205 SteveH said at 9:30 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I thought that was Sam’s best game too, but it still wasn’t great. I think if we got that kind of performance out of him though week in and week out we could be a 10 or 11 win team. Still not a super bowl threat but respectable.
206 Aaron said at 8:58 AM on October 26th, 2015:
what an idiot
207 A_T_G said at 9:35 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Don’t be so hard on yourself.
208 Gary Barnes said at 9:06 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I did not think we’d beat the Panthers so it was not shocking that we lost. However, the sloppy play and consistently ineffective offense has become tiresome and the excuses to explain them away have lost their weight IMO.
We are 7 games in, almost half the season. It is no longer early, these players have had plenty of time playing together and should be executing at a much higher and consistent level. The coaches should know by now how to utilize the talent so they can be successful, but we still see play calls that ensure failure and poor execution by the players. Bradford should be shaking off the rust, but we continue to see the same issues: poor decision making, inaccuracy, mis-communications with WR/TE etc.
Unfortunately, I think this is who we are this season. The Eagles will fight/claw each game, but they are deficient in talent and need to adjust the scheme to fit the talent they do have better. I said 10-6 before the season, but I think that has slid down a couple of wins after seeing these 7 games. The playoffs are up in the air, but even if we got in I do not see beating any good team once there.
209 eagleyankfan said at 9:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
call me a broken record. Huff was, has been and always be a bad draft pick. Never understood the pick. Bradford puts the ball in his hands in the end zone and he drops it. Yet people are blaming Bradford. It was a great throw to an open wr. Huff just stinks. Dime a dozen WR who’s talent could by had by an undrafted player.
….
Eagles are talented but too erratic? I’ll disagree with that. I don’t think this team is talented.
210 Anders said at 9:12 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Same can be said for Matthews right now. Neither WR can catch a ball right now.
211 eagleyankfan said at 9:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I don’t know why he seems to get a break with the fans. Me included. Each week it’s the same thing with him. The “pro’s” labeled him almost elite coming into the season with possible elite status. He’s bad.
212 Iskar36 said at 9:52 AM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m not sure many people are giving him a pass. Lots of fans have been very critical of Matthews the last several weeks.
As fot yhr elite status coming into the season, he came into the season with a lot of promise based on last year. You can argue that he was overhyped certainly, but while catching was never a strength of Matthews, it was not nearly this bad last season, so most fans did the “rookie math” of this was his rookie year, let’s assume he gets better in most areas from year one to year two, and now you have an elite WR. Of course, that always gets overblown because players DO improve from year 1 to year 2 USUALLY, but not often in huge leaps. With that said, if Matthews could only learn to catch more consistently, he would in fact be having a great season. Unfortunately, catching is a major part of being a good WR.
213 porkrind1 said at 10:06 AM on October 26th, 2015:
He gets a break from me only because he’s what we’ve got right now. I’ll give the new guy that replaces him a break as soon as he’s on the roster. :^)
214 RobNE said at 9:17 AM on October 26th, 2015:
that drop killed me. And the announcers were saying what a great defensive play, while I watch the replay and see the ball go right by the defensive player (Kuechly?) and hit Huff in the hands.
No one was helping Bradford (except Ertz). I remember Sproles just absolutely dropping one.
215 Will:↑↑↓↓←→←→BA said at 11:20 AM on October 26th, 2015:
He dropped one in the red zone and maybe one in the 4th
216 sonofdman said at 11:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Ertz also had a big drop that would have been a first down in the fourth quarter.
217 RobNE said at 12:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
sorry I went to bed and missed the Ertz drop. I take back excluding him from the list.
218 Donald Kalinowski said at 9:49 AM on October 26th, 2015:
And the Eagles should have used that 3rd rounder to move up in the draft to take Clinton-Dix. Both Smith and Huff have been a complete waste.
219 A_T_G said at 10:07 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Really? An hour goes by and everyone just leaves it sitting there on the tee? Fine, I got it.
eagleyankfan, you are a broken record.
220 bill said at 10:23 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You’re the Kam Chancellor of IB, cleaning up the ones that leak through.
221 eagleyankfan said at 5:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I tossed up a softball
222 EaglesFANqq said at 10:55 AM on October 26th, 2015:
WHo on the Eagles offense is talented? Chris Collingswqorth was saying time and again yesterday that Peters is the best offensive player. THat’s a shame. Kelly cut all of our talented players.
223 RobNE said at 9:18 AM on October 26th, 2015:
well this looks like a good time for the bye.
224 Buge Halls said at 9:44 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The run game drives me insane – running up the middle the Eagles are getting 4, 5, 10 yards at a clip. Then they run those dam sweep plays and get one yard or zero yards or lose yards! Why do they keep at it? The line was opening holes in the center all night, but they kept trying to run to the side and as we saw, Carolina’s defense is just too fast for that!
And maybe we should put all of our receivers on defense as all they seem to be doing lately is batting passes down or deflecting them away. Maybe they should start practicing with the defense as they are catching everything that comes their way.
A very disappointing game. Maybe all that talent we keep hearing about on the offense isn’t really there! All three of the incomplete passes to Matthews (out of six sent his way for a meager 14 yards) hit him in the hands! Sproles had at least two bounce off of his hands, Huff had a TD bounce off his hands. Ertz, Austin, Murray, and I think even Celek had hands of stone last night! Who knows, maybe Bradford is throwing too hard, but I was always taught that if the ball hit you in the hands, you should catch it!
I’m usually have a positive outlook in this weak division, but playing on a high school level isn’t going to get it done. I’m definitely not on the “fire Chip” bandwagon, but something needs to be done over the bye to straighten this nonsense!
225 Ark87 said at 10:15 AM on October 26th, 2015:
The worst part is we know exactly what happens when there is one athletic and instinctive LB (Sean Lee), when there are 2, you just can’t get to the outside on these guys. at some point it felt like we were just setting up the counter plays and inside runs, but it drove me nuts that we thought a bubble screen to huff on a critical 3rd and 9 was a good idea, and it just got smothered by the side-line to side-line LB’s. And Bradford is like “It was a good play call, the LB’s were just on it today” Did you guys watch literally any film? That’s their thing. They do it every game. Come on guys.
226 Ark87 said at 10:22 AM on October 26th, 2015:
So how do you even fix the stone hands? This is ridiculous, it’s been all season. Cam’s always had that problem because he throws rockets at crap receivers. Is that us now? We just never knew it because our previous QB’s were throwing soft balls?
227 Tumtum said at 10:29 AM on October 26th, 2015:
This bye week is neeeeeded. The rest of the season is going to be tough. Miami and Tampa are not going to pushes over. Washington already beat us once, so did Dallas. Romo and dez or at least one could be back by then. Cassle didn’t look awful and should only improve.
The offense needs to get much better over the bye. The running game did ok yesterday but Demarco wasn’t terrific. He was outclassed by both Car RBs. Figure out Demarco. WRs need to get more comfortable or Austin needs to be inserted as a starter. Hopefully Nelson can get healthy and provide a spark.
Hopefully the ILB can get healthy over the bye. The defense can take this game as a learning tool. I have every confidence they will come out of the bye even better.
This team has what it takes to get hot and win it all. They just have to put it together. This team isn’t like the 2013 or 2014 Eagles that were really at their peak when beating bad teams and losing to good teams.
228 Ark87 said at 10:37 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Hit that Jugs machine up. The whole time, on max setting. The Panthers looked legit. I’d put them right on the second or third tier under the top tier of Green Bay and New England. And it would have been a game if we caught some footballs. We got a lot to clean up, but we’d be right in the playoff mix if we did.
229 EaglesFANqq said at 10:52 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Why do you want this team to do well? They aren’t good. Even if they make the playoffs they won’t win the Super Bowl. They should immediately switch to Sixers mode. THis team sucks.
230 Tumtum said at 12:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Well if you ready my post you know that I don’t agree.
231 Buge Halls said at 1:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Well, since you’re not an Eagles fan you wouldn’t understand why we want this team to do well.
232 DarthBanner said at 2:10 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This is a bad, poorly constructed and poorly coached football team. They have neither the talent or the coaching to “get hot and win it all”
233 Tumtum said at 2:48 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Ok. We disagree. Your opinion is very safe and inside the box because it follows consensus and what is directly in front of your face. I can respect that.
234 mksp said at 10:54 AM on October 26th, 2015:
With regard to why some of us were down on the team after last week’s performance, despite the win, see the remarkably similar performance last night, which predictably led to a loss.
I don’t know why there’s some sort of “code” amongst fans that one is supposed to “just enjoy the win” when we know that if an obviously flawed team performs the same way, it will inevitably lead to losses against better team.
I’d rather play well and lose than play poorly and win, because the former ultimately leads to meaningful wins (championships). But maybe I’m out of my mind.
235 EaglesFANqq said at 11:33 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You are so right. Winning the NFC East will lead to a first round playoff loss, a early 20th pick, and another year of the same crap. And no second rounder – remember that. LOTS of TROUBLE.
236 EaglesFANqq said at 10:56 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Why does ANYONE want this team to do well? THey are horrible and unlikeable. What player goes out there and puts it on the line. For who for what. EFF this team. Lose the rest of the games, fire Chip Kelly and draft a franchise QB so we actually have a chance. This team sucks and will never win a SUper Bowl so just stop cheering for them. They suck.
237 MattE said at 11:01 AM on October 26th, 2015:
…so you are saying we are the best team ever. Got it.
connor barwin seems like a good guy.
238 EaglesFANqq said at 11:20 AM on October 26th, 2015:
yeah when he does Steroids. without the steroids he is pedestrian.
239 botto said at 2:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
with out his bike he is a pedestrian
240 A_T_G said at 8:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Nah, Conner Septa’s
241 TypicalDouche said at 11:04 AM on October 26th, 2015:
EagleBitchqq you suck as well as your post so shit up. You know nothing of how much effort the players are putting out. You only post when the team loses so stop talking like you know anything at all because you’re just a little dipshit troll.
242 EaglesFANqq said at 11:10 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Did you watch the game. If they were putting in effort they would have caught all of those drops. But you know what. They dont know where the ball is going to be delivered because Bradford can’t throw acdecent ball. Bradford is getting hit left and right because of that shit offensive line so he is scared to setup and throw the ball on target.
It is broken EVERYwhere.
243 TypicalDouche said at 11:16 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You talk like you’re an expert and yet you clearly don’t know football or didnt watch the game. First off you can’t blame an entire teams lack of effort on certain players dropping balls. Second off if you had actually watched the game you would have noticed moat of the drops hit the the receiver or right end in the hands and they dropped it so those weren’t Bradfords faults. You got any other groundbreaking analysis?
244 EaglesFANqq said at 11:17 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Idiot the receivers dont know where the ball is going to be because Bradford is so fukcing inconsistent. And he is inconsistent because the OLine is a fukcing disaster. It’s not just the WRs fault. It is the whole teams fault. And THAT my friend is Chip Kelly’s fault.
245 TypicalDouche said at 11:36 AM on October 26th, 2015:
You’re a fuckin moron. If you’re a receiver or tight end in he NFL your job is to catch the ball especially if it hit’s you in the HANDS!. So like I was saying you stupid idiot those aren’t Bradfords fault. He may be inconsistent but last night was on the receivers. Go read a dummies how to book on basic football knowledge so you for once can actually know what the hell you’re talking about instead of spewing the constant garbage you do. Receivers jobs are to catch the ball, period.
246 EaglesFANqq said at 11:40 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Sam Bradford isn’t getting the job done. You really think this team is SUper Bowl material idiot?
247 TypicalDouche said at 11:41 AM on October 26th, 2015:
Did I ever say they were going to the super bowl you moron? No I didn’t so once again you show how stupid you really are.
248 EaglesFANqq said at 11:46 AM on October 26th, 2015:
so what are they going to do?
249 Buge Halls said at 12:59 PM on October 26th, 2015:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
250 TypicalDouche said at 1:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Advice well taken BH.
251 Tumtum said at 12:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Read the sign. Please do not feed the Trolls. They start to think they are people.
252 ChoTime said at 12:27 PM on October 26th, 2015:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/images1.vat19.com/desktop-punching-bag/office-stress-relief-punching-ball.jpg
253 Buge Halls said at 12:57 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Go away troll.
254 botto said at 12:15 PM on October 26th, 2015:
the ultimate worst part is that the games are so boring now.
they are not fun to watch at all right now, even the giants win was not a fun game to watch.
Bradford showed a little hart finally which is nice.
but I’m over it. i’ll do something else on sundays.
this is not must see TV folks
255 Tumtum said at 12:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This game was fun other than the fact that I really didn’t expect the offense to get it done. The Giants game wasn’t fun because of all the penalties on both sides.
This game wasn’t great but this defense is a joy to watch. Casual fans are the reason for all of the offensive minded rules these days. I love great defense and am a glutton for punishment anyway. I’ll whine, but I’m not going anywhere.
256 botto said at 12:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
the one thing I want to add, is that the fact is Carolina is actually good.
Cam looks his absolute best.
so yeah we didn’t beat a better team, ok maybe not the end of the world, but damn the offense is boring as hell.
257 laeagle said at 1:51 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Watching the defense is fun.
258 botto said at 2:06 PM on October 26th, 2015:
until it isn’t.
259 laeagle said at 2:07 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yeah, that happened last night, unfortunately.
Special teams is fun? Oh. No. Not last night.
Sigh.
260 A_T_G said at 12:26 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The replay of the Tolbert touchdown shows the ball flapping and Max going for it. He missed, and that sucks, but he wasn’t avoiding contact, he was trying to make a play. For as much as people questioned his motivation after the ATL game because of a laugh, he at least deserves credit for his motives.
Let’s see if I know how to do this…
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/658471213132439552
261 Ark87 said at 12:34 PM on October 26th, 2015:
fair enough, this team has been very good at going for the ball, it’s obviously a huge point of emphasis, and coached rigorously.
262 Mac said at 12:58 PM on October 26th, 2015:
If you think you can’t tackle the guy, but have an opportunity for a big play and take it instead… I’m ok with that.
263 laeagle said at 1:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yep, he was trying to drill the guy and missed. I’m not calling that weak tacking effort, just bad fundamentals. Could have wrapped him up. But as others have said, I’m not going to act like he pulled a Nnamdi. I thought our corners played well last night overall. Though that’s not hard against those WRs.
264 anon said at 2:16 PM on October 26th, 2015:
3 picks from the secondary? I’ll take it, they aren’t built to be run stoppers.
265 Media Mike said at 7:33 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Good clip. Now less mad at Maxwell and more mad at Kendricks.
266 SteveH said at 8:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m still not buying the “Maxwell trying to make a play” thing. He just kind of flailed at him as he ran by, if he was really trying to make a play on the ball he would have tried to grab the damn thing out of his hands, not knock it out of bounds (which is what would have happened if he had hit the ball).
All Maxwell has to do there is wrap up and hold him up until help arrives.
267 A_T_G said at 8:31 PM on October 26th, 2015:
And then what? Do you have any confidence we were holding them at the 1-yard line.
I see him lunging for that ball and I think that is the mentality that got Nolan his ball, and DeMeco last week. I also think anyone who sees him pulling a DRC is clouded by bias.
268 Ark87 said at 12:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This team seems to be pressing way too hard. We are really struggling in big moments. The team has bad nerves or something. Most/all of the drops came at huge moments http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-lost-panthers-because-they-cant-catch/ . Bennie Logan going off-sides 2 snaps in a row when we desperately needed a stop. It’s sort of been a theme this year. In big moments this team blows it. Some people see lack of effort or focus. I see a team trying way too hard, focusing way too hard on one aspect and having lapses in the fundamentals. I saw it happen in the middle of 2012. with the WR, you just have to be willing to sell out to get that ball. They all seem to be getting ahead of themselves with what comes after the catch. Miles Austin needs to go ahead and sell out to get that ball at the end of the game, He had a posture that in the event he snags that ball he can turn it up field and grab some yac, but the game is on the line there. Go get it like it’s a baby thrown from a burning building.
269 Tumtum said at 12:44 PM on October 26th, 2015:
As bad as things are at least we don’t sign scum like Greg Hardy just because they are good players. I would rather cheer for guys like Demeco Ryans, Connor Barwin, and Fletcher Cox.
I wish Dez punched him.
270 nevadausa16 said at 12:46 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Not often that Dez Bryant will ever be seen as the “good guy” in a character clash. Speaks volumes about what a mess Hardy is.
271 TypicalDouche said at 12:58 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Would be very entertaining and will be laughable when Dez and Hardy do finally get into it because its inevitable.
272 anon said at 1:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Winning cures a lot of ails. I’m sure there won’t be a ton of fights when they’re in the playoffs.
273 TypicalDouche said at 1:11 PM on October 26th, 2015:
How do even know they are going to make the playoffs?
274 anon said at 1:57 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Who in this division is beating that team when dez and romo are back. They almost beat the giants playing w/ a QB that just joined the team a month ago. Obviously i think Eagles will win the division, but i’m just being realistic about the quality of the teams in the NFC East.
275 DarthBanner said at 2:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The Cowboys are going to buy tickets to the Giants home playoff game? That’s weird.
276 Mac said at 1:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The greatest failure of this team happens in the equipment room. Bradford’s sleeves and the lack of stickum on WR gloves.
277 iceberg584 said at 1:06 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Blame Howie?
278 anon said at 1:03 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This team isn’t fun to watch anymore. It just looks like a regular team, except a bad one (on offense). We have some “should be out of the league” type guys that we’re expecting to make plays for us at WR. When you’re paying $1-4 for guys they perform that way. Would MAC or Djax have won these games for us? Not necessarily, but they’d be getting open and catching balls, b/c they are big money vets and PROVEN.
279 botto said at 1:19 PM on October 26th, 2015:
so boring to watch now. can’t stand it.
and I go into the game knowing full well the first half at least will be boring. how many sweeps with Demarcslow Murray can we run when Mathews is clearly a faster better RB now?
how many???
280 anon said at 1:43 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That Mathews rd was like 2013 all over again .Then he got benched.
281 botto said at 2:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
next is to trade him
282 Tumtum said at 1:19 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Just thought about how different this game could have been with Demeco and man, even Kiko. Hicks has been great, but he was out muscled a few times yesterday. I think those two would of really asserted dominance. That could of been a totally different ball games.
While many think this is the worst of the worst possible scenarios, I think the showing wasn’t half bad and shows that the team is still trending in the right direction. If they can make the required adjustments in the bye (like we saw Andy Reid do numerous times), I feel good about our chances in the division and even making a play-off run.
283 botto said at 1:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I like your optimism. clearly you’re crazy though. but it like it.
trending in the right direction?
if down is the right direction you are correct sir!
and yes it wasn’t half bad, it was 2 halves bad.
284 Tumtum said at 1:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You forget how poorly things started. They were dominated by a bad Dallas team, and a really over rated Atlanta team.
Carolina is pretty real and they were never out of that game. I call it improvement.
285 botto said at 1:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
cam was playing like he knew what he was doing. and he was very relaxed too. he looked legit
286 Tumtum said at 1:32 PM on October 26th, 2015:
And yet he threw 3 picks. I admit that was the best 3 pick performance I may have ever seen.
If we get hot I have no problem facing them again. They were at heir best last night. We were far from it.
287 botto said at 1:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Mathews over murray yes?
288 BobSmith77 said at 1:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
So now the media is reacting as if this is a bad team with little/no hope despite playing this game close?
It is a flawed team that wasn’t able to pull out a road victory at the end against a decent team. No shame in that.
Just a question of how healthy the Eagles can get over the next 2 weeks and if & how they get to 9 wins to win the NFC East. Still think that is possible including beating the Giants in the season finale to do so.
Guess I am used to this too growing up watching a bunch of competitive yet flawed Eagles’ team too especially during the 90s.
289 Tumtum said at 1:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Boom, you read my mind. We were probably writing our posts at the same time.
290 sonofdman said at 1:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I agree. The Panthers looked good. The Eagles stayed in the game and had their chances, but the Panthers looked like the better team last night. That doesn’t mean we give up all hope because they couldn’t beat a good team on the road.
291 Ark87 said at 1:53 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I think a lot of it is just the cumulative frustration of the season and the result in the comment section is just catharsis. Part of the issue is there is very little consensus on the limitations of this team. The offense is just playing poorly more than anything, seems like they can just play better. So everyone is hoping the team will play better every week and it doesn’t happen. Frustration—->catharsis. pure emotion.
292 ChoTime said at 1:58 PM on October 26th, 2015:
“Igglesbitch”–we all do it 🙂
293 Ark87 said at 2:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
damn right we do, not healthy to internalize that passion turned sour.
294 BobSmith77 said at 1:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
As for the Giants, the fans were pretty giddy on the WFAN about the win and their soft upcoming schedule.
That is true but they end with:
– Jets
– @ Dolphins
– Panthers
– @ Vikings
– Eagles
Eagles do likely need a little help but I could easily see the Giants floundering down the stretch with that schedule (say 1-4) especially having to play the Dolphins and Vikings on the road.
295 anon said at 1:41 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m seeing that as 0-5 .They were in a dog fight against cowboys. May have lost that game if not for the return td.
296 botto said at 2:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I could see us floundering too
297 BobSmith77 said at 1:32 PM on October 26th, 2015:
From Grantland:
Eagles #13
“Speaking of the devil, those Eagles laid an egg on offense Sunday
night, as the Panthers held them to 16 points even though Philly’s
impressive defense picked off Cam Newton three times. An offensive line
that lost star left tackle Jason Peters to back spasms during the first
half was overmatched all night, allowing five sacks and nine quarterback
knockdowns on 54 dropbacks. Philly did run the ball 30 times for 177
yards, but much of that success came on a beautiful counter off an
outside zone by Ryan Mathews for a 63-yard touchdown. Otherwise, the
Eagles were below 4 yards per attempt.
Sam Bradford remains frustrating. He didn’t get a ton of help on
Sunday, as his receivers dropped seven of his 49 pass attempts, but
Bradford rarely puts throws in the spots where they need to be. (In
other words, his receivers bail him out with catches that other
quarterbacks don’t always get.) Against a team whose biggest weakness as
a pass defense remains its safeties, Bradford rarely challenged the
Panthers downfield, throwing 20 yards or more in the air just twice on
those 46 attempts. Fortunately, thanks to its impressive defense and the
frustrating NFC East, Philly is still well positioned to make the
playoffs, with FPI giving the Eagles a 59.5 percent shot of claiming the
East …”
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-top-25-rankings/
298 bill said at 2:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
So bad almost makes you wonder if he watched the game – “In other words, his receivers bail him out with catches that other quarterbacks don’t always get.”
Wow. Scratch that. I know he didn’t watch the game. And he gets paid for that?
299 ChoTime said at 2:09 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s not referring just to this game. Bradford is usually a bit off, throwing it behind his receivers or whatnot. Those are deceptively hard to catch.
300 sonofdman said at 2:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That is true, but the receivers have almost never caught any of those balls this season and do not consistently bail Bradford out.
301 EaglesFANqq said at 2:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Who’s the veteran? Bradford is not accurate at all.
302 bill said at 2:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The contextual clues to that statement are all relative to Sunday night. He strongly implies, even if he manages to avoid an explicit connection.
And that’s without even addressing the fact that his receivers have rarely bailed him out this season, and in fact have dropped more than their fair share. I’ll agree that Bradford’s accuracy was inconsistent, at best, up until this week. Sunday night, however, was not even close to being on him. That was his best game since the preseason, and his receivers just flat out stank.
You know who’s receivers bailed him out repeatedly last night? Cam’s. And that’s supposed to be the worst corps in the league. It was striking watching how many plays that the Panthers’ receivers made in comparison the Eagles’. Cam was trying to knock down satellites, and yet his receivers were able to reach up and catch them more often than not. Then there were eagles’ receivers who were getting hit in the numbers and dropping them. Hard to catch or not, those are catches NFL receivers make on a consistent basis.
303 ChoTime said at 3:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yes. There’s plenty of suck to go around.
304 RobNE said at 2:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
he is such a Giants fan. The Giants are #12 and he says “I know the Eagles just crushed them, but I just think the giants are better.” well then, can’t argue with that.
305 JoeBlow said at 3:56 PM on October 26th, 2015:
wow…what a dummy
306 Ark87 said at 1:40 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I wonder how jealous Chip was watching the read-option right in front of him. Looks pretty close to unstoppable. They cut it off towards the end with the game in hand. I got the feeling we’d start seeing a ton of it if we managed to tie the game up. Was the way of things in 2013. Handcuff Cam until the game was on the line, then unleash him. Use the legs to bust off a few 10 and 15 yarders along with picking up a critical first down or 2 and suddenly that passing game opens up like crazy. Late game heroics. Their offense has another gear with him that they don’t want to use in the name of preservation.
307 RobNE said at 2:51 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I thought that too. Must kill him. Kelly has to think he could run it better than the Panthers, if only he had the QB.
308 botto said at 5:39 PM on October 26th, 2015:
yeah but how hard is it to run really?
seams pretty basic. you don’t need Kelly to do it you need CAM the Man.
god cam is so freaking theatrical doing a whole song and dance every time.
309 The original AG said at 1:49 PM on October 26th, 2015:
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/658680648543129600
310 Joe Minx said at 1:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Serious question: is Jordan Matthews basically Michael Clayton pt. 2?
311 JoeBlow said at 3:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
i didn’t like that movie….never been a huge Clooney fan
312 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Jordan Matthews might be suffering the sophomore jinx. Like numerous other players have. Even Rice was not perfect all the time.
313 The original AG said at 1:51 PM on October 26th, 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmlmPbsnM2A
314 botto said at 2:13 PM on October 26th, 2015:
ouch, none of those look like Bradford’s fault.
315 ChoTime said at 2:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yeah, those are harsh.
316 EaglesFANqq said at 2:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
All of those passes are all over the place. Not a single one in the numbers. you tell me which one hit the player’s numbers.
317 botto said at 2:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
you catch with your hands guy
318 RobNE said at 2:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I will not watch this. No way.
319 Corry said at 4:34 PM on October 26th, 2015:
According to Zach Berman, the Eagles lead the league in drops this year with 25.
320 Jernst said at 7:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
you’re not gonna win many games when you let 4 first downs slip through your fingers every single game because your WRs and RBs can’t catch.
321 Nailed It! said at 1:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I know we are all in negativity mode but hot damn is Ryan Mathews the truth. Who here thought he would be this good? I had no idea he had that much burst and was that punishing when he finishes his runs. I hate that Demarco kept getting the ball. There was no excuse for Mathews not getting more runs. Even with this groin issue.
322 The original AG said at 1:55 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Murray is the least of our issues. He had some nice runs last night, but if we get rid of drops Mathews gets more touches.
323 anon said at 1:56 PM on October 26th, 2015:
he’s been a beast, just a beast that can’t stay healthy.
324 Nailed It! said at 1:58 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I had watched all of his highlight tapes and I think he has shown more here.
325 EaglesFANqq said at 2:21 PM on October 26th, 2015:
He’s not better than Lesean Mccoy.
326 botto said at 2:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
except at running back
327 EaglesFANqq said at 2:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
except not.
328 EaglesFANqq said at 2:27 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Mccoy beats him in yards, attempts, average, touchdowns, and catches. So you tell me who is better.
329 The original AG said at 2:30 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Mccoy is rushing 3.9 a carry, Mathews 6.1. Mccoy has 1 TD, Mathews has 3. McCoy has 309 yards, Mathews has 345.
So according to your logic, Mathews is better.
330 bill said at 2:40 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Ouch. Now I’ll have to work “McCoy” into my Lazor references. Seriously, I mourn the days when the trolls weren’t so obvious.
331 Julescat said at 3:32 PM on October 26th, 2015:
hurt hamstrings
games missed
332 RobNE said at 2:49 PM on October 26th, 2015:
GEAGLE loved the signing from the beginning.
333 Ark87 said at 3:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
sarcasm?
334 RobNE said at 4:45 PM on October 26th, 2015:
yes sir
GEAGLE I’m just teasing you don’t have to tell me to get off your balls.
335 Ark87 said at 4:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
He’s out there doing something unspeakably horrible. Somehow he always comes back with a positive outlook. He always says he avoids comment sections after losses, I think he is on a coke and prostitute bender or luring cowboy fans into dark alley ways and killing them in terrible ways until the bad feelings go away. Whatever it is it works like magic.
336 ChoTime said at 3:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Huh? “That pansy assed puss runs like a btch SMH hate this dude WTF” liked it?
337 mksp said at 3:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
“Soft as charmin tissue”
338 Jernst said at 3:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Been saying since day 1 of that signing that he’d end up being the much better back for us than Demarco Murray. I loved the signing from a player perspective and a scheme fit as well, but the contract set up from a salary cap stand point was great too. I felt literally the complete opposite about the Murray signing. Not crazy about the player, wasn’t thrilled with the scheme for and HATED the contract. We’re basically stuck with Murray for 2 more seasons and I’m fairly certain he’s not going to suddenly get faster.
The more Kelly talks about how Murray and Mathews combined make what one LeSean McCoy makes the more I worry that he doesn’t really comprehend the downside to guaranteed money. LeSean was well over paid, but he had no guaranteed money left on his deal, so it was essentially a series of one year contracts we could terminate whenever he started to decline. And, his cap hit peaked this year at $12mil and then came down substantially over the next few years with each year being a $2-3 million less than the previous year.
Murrays deal is the opposite. We literally can’t move on from him next year and we’d still have dead money left if we cut him before he completes year 3. And his cap hit remains high throughout. Really short sighted move. Mathews needs a good #2 on board due to his frequent injury history but his low cap numbers made it relatively easy to fill that spot out with a rookie or mid teir FA.
339 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Chip may not understand everything about contracts but Mannynowsomething does. So does Roseman, who is still in the building.
340 anon said at 5:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That was a deal for the player, like Maxwell’s deal. Think murray is taking more time to get acquainted b/c he basically didn’t do any off season work. I don’t think he ran poorly at all, i just dont think he has the vision that mathews does, but he moved the pile a little.
341 Jernst said at 7:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
True, but theres only so much magic they can work with the contracts. If Chip says let’s trade McCoy for Kiko Alonso and sign Demarco Murray instead, you’re gonna end up with a lot more guaranteed money on the ledger. Murray isn’t going to sign a deal with no signing bonus, just because Howie understands the downside of large guarantees.
Final call is on Chip on what to do, the other two can just do their best to make the new contracts as cost friendly as possible.
342 GEAGLE said at 6:11 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I been apologizing for hating on him every week since the season started with how he has ran the ball lol… But in fairness,, his talent and ability was never a secret, the knocks on him where he tends to get hurt, not too big of a surprise when he seeks to dish out contact on every run, and he would fumble too much… But the Knocks on him were based on him in a work horse role. Never a complimentary role..
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So we have to wonder if, playing in this complimemtary role is helping to hide his weaknesses… If we were to put him in a bell cow role and feed him 30 times each week, his “knocks” could start to reveal themselves…. Maybe the complimentary role is PERFECT for him, but even if that’s the case, he needs more touches than he has gotten….there is NO REASON to ask SAM to throw 55 times and leave us talking about Mathews vs Murray, because in reality there are plenty of snaps to run both of them 15-20 times a game, especially now that our run blocking is Starting to click..
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His talent and ability are so obvious stevie wonder could see it… His style of play has been so much fun to walk… Hopefully Chip learns from last night, and we start cutting down on Sams throws and start feeding both RBs… But as great as Ryan has looked, we do need to be cautious to not overdue it with him, so that his defficiencies DONT start to show themselves… 15-18 carries a game is perfect for Ryan
343 Media Mike said at 7:39 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The “x” issue with the health of Mathews is why you don’t give him the ball more. Ask anybody who ever owned him in a fantasy league; the dude is always hurt.
He’s a great talent, but needs to be used in small doses.
344 justanotherdummy said at 2:35 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Birds ran for 177 on 30, but pull out one play and it’s 114 on 29 carries. Under 4 yards a carry. Ok but certainly not eye popping. Same thing for Caolina’s stats. Another bad game, but the Eagles are more bad.
345 Nailed It! said at 2:42 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Why do people always say pull that one carry out!? The play happened! It was a great play! Gah, so infuriating. People will stress and fixate on an interception and call someone garbage if they miss a running lane but when Mathews finally breaks one we have too say well we can’t look at that ‘one’ running play.
What about his 22 yarder? Should we pull that out too?
346 justanotherdummy said at 2:46 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Does this offense look like a juggernaut that is averaging over 5 yards a carry or one that runs three times and just barely generates a first down. I know what my eyes are seeing. That 62 yarder is an outlier.
347 The original AG said at 2:48 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Both RBs ran the ball fairly well. Costly drops and penalties is what stalled most drives.
Kelce hold puts team in 2nd/3rd and long. Have to pass there.
Johnson hold puts team in 2nd/3rd and long. Same thing.
Matthews drops ball for INT.
Matthews drops ball on 3rd down.
Sproles drops ball on 3rd down.
This has nothing to do with the running game.
348 Nailed It! said at 2:49 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The only part of the running game that I did not like last night was the runner. In no way should Demarco been carrying the ball in the 3rd and 4th. Mathews is clearly the better runner at this point.
349 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Kelly: We Limited Ryan Mathews Due To Injury
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/?pm-blogs=birds247#f9qeF7RtV444W2ys.99
350 anon said at 5:26 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That’s laughable. Last night he was like Mathews was in there, we just happened to be calling passing plays.
351 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Exactly. When analysts are compiling stats they don’t “pull” anything. Just add everything up.
352 Iskar36 said at 5:56 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The reason you pull out the one play is because you are trying to analyze statistics.
Compare these two RBs:
RB1: 20 rushes of 5 yards each time.
RB2: 19 rushes of 1 yard, 1 rush of 81 yards.
Both players end the day with the exact same total stats of 20 rushes for 100 yards. Who had the better game though? The answer is clearly RB1 because he was consistently helping the offense move the ball.
Now in real games, it’s obviously not as clear cut as that and every RB breaks off big gains. Still you are trying to find out what a RB can provide you on a consistent basis and while average is a commonly used measure of that, with such a small sample size and so much variability, it is a crude measure.
353 Nailed It! said at 6:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I fully understand the statistics side, but I was speaking from the eye test as some people call it. Every game it seems that Mathews is one step from breaking hugeee runs and he finally did, but everyone was discounting it. The guy has been our most consistent play maker and he deserves some credit.
Edit: Chip needs to give him the ball more
354 Iskar36 said at 6:17 PM on October 26th, 2015:
To be fair, the numbers above were referring to the RBs as a whole unit, only 6 of which are coming from Mathews. The 6 carries is bigger concern on Mathews side and Chip needs to do a better job with splitting the carries.
355 EaglesFANqq said at 2:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
These eagles suckity suck suck. Blow this roster up. THEY SUCK
356 The original AG said at 2:43 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Well you did say they’d be 1-6, so I don’t know that you’re such a good evaluator of football. You love Andy Reid, but his team has less wins than the Eagles. You love DJax, but he hasn’t played a snap all season.
You really don’t know football, and frankly you are just a troll. You have no insight or anything of use to offer this board.
Pretty much the entire board doesn’t want you here, and it’s not because you don’t like the team. Plenty of people here don’t like what they’ve seen. You come with an in-your-face childish attitude to intentionally piss people off.
Please grow up.
357 EaglesFANqq said at 2:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You still want this team to win even though they suck. Get a life.
358 Mitchell said at 2:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Lol. I truly love this coming from you. You are a joke, lol.
359 The original AG said at 2:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
His response is exactly what I was referencing in my post.
I just don’t understand the energy it takes to be a dick to people, or even worse, that someone would take delight in being that way.
360 Mitchell said at 3:18 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Exactly. Something is mentally wrong with him/her or their frontal lobe isnt developed. So, either its a kid whos brain hasnt developed or someone who is literally mentally ill. Normal humans dont act that way.
361 ChoTime said at 10:05 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Just wants attention. And it’s working.
362 Julescat said at 3:37 PM on October 26th, 2015:
you still think Andy Reid can coach?
get a life
363 botto said at 2:43 PM on October 26th, 2015:
wasn’t it painfully obvious when Bradfords throw to Jmatt bounced off him into the Defenders hands that this was going to be another long night?
for everyone.
364 anon said at 2:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
no
365 botto said at 4:45 PM on October 26th, 2015:
well it turned out to be. I thought it was a bad omen right off the bat, and it was.
366 EaglesFANqq said at 3:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Jordan Matthews hates Sam Bradford. Without a doubt. If he was my QB I would feel the same way. We gave up Foles AND a second rounder for this cross eyed freak.
367 Julescat said at 3:31 PM on October 26th, 2015:
at least we got rid of fat Andy.
the Chefs are finding out he can’t coach
368 EaglesFANqq said at 3:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Sam Bradford suffers from double vision. Not from concussion but from his freaking retarded eyes.
369 the DONALD said at 3:08 PM on October 26th, 2015:
you must be the #1 seller at the jerkstore and an old unhappy person…. or a pathetic clown.. overall just a pureAhole to boot. get the heck outta here if your going to talk like an ignorant ass.. i guess you dont know anyone who is mentally challenged to be speaking like that.. take a hike you asinine blowhard douche..
Tommy, please get this person outta here.. whats it gonna take?
370 Mitchell said at 3:19 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This person probably is mentally ill in all honesty.
371 the DONALD said at 3:30 PM on October 26th, 2015:
yea and only comes around when the birds lose.. be gone! POOF
372 Julescat said at 3:30 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Andy Reid can’t coach!
373 Cafone said at 5:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Not cool man. My parents are retarded.
374 EaglesFANqq said at 3:03 PM on October 26th, 2015:
http://katchop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/week-1-gunslinger-then-week-2-slingblade.gif
375 Julescat said at 3:35 PM on October 26th, 2015:
http://bigkmedia.weebly.com/uploads/7/2/7/4/7274110/7889416_orig.jpeg
376 Jernst said at 3:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
This is simply a team that has no offensive playmakers. (In fairness, they have 1, but he’s been relegated to 5-9 carries per game).
Ertz is a solid TE, but not the consistent playmaker we’d hoped for. Celek is little more than an aging extra OT that run blocks almost exclusively. Matthews is a really good #3 WR out of the slot, but nothing more. He creates nothing by himself, needs to be schemes open against slot CBs to succeed and has some of the worst hands and body control I’ve seen in a highly touted WR. Cooper, Austin, Huff are what they are, guys you’re happy to have as #4 WR and role players but who doom your offense to irrelevance if their your top options. Agholar seems to have the most talent but has been invisible/injured all year. Sproles is a lovable spark plug, but he’s good for at least a drop or two per game that kills a drive, and we seem incapable of scheming him into favorable situations in space. He has been a complete nonfactor since week 1.
I’m just not sure if any offense can really be great without at least 1, and hopefully more than 1, explosive playmaker. For all their faults, this offense performed at its peak when it had DeSean opening up the field and gaining chunks of yards and had McCoy doing the same at RB.
377 Julescat said at 3:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
need a deep threat to stretch the field
378 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:17 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The deep threat is on IR, remember?
379 Julescat said at 4:27 PM on October 26th, 2015:
threat implies he can get open and catch the ball
380 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:34 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Against the Redskins – 3 passes for 64 yards, 1 for 45 yards.
Against the Jets nobody threw to him
Against the Saints he had only 1 pass.
Hard to gain yards without the ball in your hands.
Rice was terrible his first year, even without a major injury. Coaches can do nothing about players getting broken.
381 anon said at 4:35 PM on October 26th, 2015:
who are we talkng about?
382 GermanEagle said at 5:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Mr Gag.
383 BlindChow said at 5:15 PM on October 26th, 2015:
We need a guy who will throw deep and play calls that expect him to.
384 GermanEagle said at 3:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Preach, brother, preach! I’ve been saying for quite a while now that the Eagles need at least a legit No. 1 WR.
To be honest I wouldn’t mind to have DeSean back next year, I just don’t think Chip thinks the same.
385 MagsHarvestMoon said at 4:16 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Gag.
386 BlindChow said at 5:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s the myth of the “star WR.” Who was the “legit No. 1 WR” on last year’s Super Bowl teams? How many Super Bowls has Julio Jones gone to? What about Calvin Johnson? Sammy Watkins?
No, we just need guys who can actually catch a ball, and guy who can actually throw it to them.
387 Jernst said at 7:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Certainly you don’t NEED an elite WR to win the Super Bowl. And, teams have won Super Bowls with a bunch of different blue prints. But, I don’t think that discounts the fact that this team is missing a playmaker in the passing game (whether that be a WR, TE, RB).
Sure, the Seahawks didn’t have a playmaking pass catcher last year, but if you look at the other teams that have played in the big game over the past decade the vast majority have some really good pass catchers.
The Patriots 2014: Gronk, and Julian Edelman.
The Seahawks 2013: Percy Harvin, Golden Tate
The Broncos 2013: Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker, Julius Thomas
The Ravens 2012: Anquan Bolden, Ray Rice was a great receiving back, and Torrey Smith was a pretty good deep threat to stretch the field.
The 49ers 2012: Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree.
The Giants 2011: Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks.
The Patriots 2011: Gronk, Welker, Edelman, Branch.
The Green Bay Packers 2010: Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and James Jones.
The Steelers 2010: Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders and Antwaan Randel-El.
New Orleans 2009: Colston, Maechem, Reggie Bush, Devery Henderson, Lance Moore and Jeremy Shockey.
The Colts 2009: Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark, Austin Collie.
The Steelers 2008: Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward, Nate Washington, Heath Miller
The Cardinals 2008: Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Bolden
The Giants 2007: Plexico Burress, Amani Toomer, Jeremy Shockey,
The Patriots 2007: Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth
The Colts 2006: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark
Thats 9 years of Super Bowl Teams (18 total). Only the 2006 Bears (Amazing defense got them to the Super Bowl, which they lost terribly), the 2013 Seahawks (Amazing defense, and the 2014 Seahawks (Amazing defense again, and they lost when a no name WR got outmuscled on the goaline), of those 18 didn’t have a true stud or playmaker in the passing game.
In the ultimate team game, not all these guys single handedly won the Super Bowls for their teams, but the rest of the list reads like a veritable who’s who of the best playmakers and stud WRs of the past 10 years.
– TO (2004)
– Randy Moss
– Marvin Harrison
– Reggie Wayne
– Wes Welker
– Plexico Burress
– Larry Fitzgerald
– Anquan Bolden
– Santonio Holmes
– Hines Ward
– Antonio Brown
– Mike Wallace
– Emmanuel Sanders
– Demaryius Thomas
– Eric Decker
– Jordy Nelson
– Greg Jennings
– Donald Driver
– Reggie Bush
– Marquise Colston
– Rob Gronkowski
– Julian Edelman
– Victor Cruz
– Hakeem Nicks
I think you might discount the advantage in a passing league of having guys who can make plays in the passing game. Unless you have a historically good defense and a great running game, it seems you need a good to great passing game to make it to the Super Bowl these days.
388 holeplug said at 4:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
so i guess culture doesn’t beat scheme
389 Jernst said at 6:34 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It might beat scheme, but it certainly doesn’t beat talent.
390 ChoTime said at 10:02 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Oops! Now we know!
391 anon said at 4:43 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I think chip’s philosophy, based on last two years experience, was you don’t really need stars, just guys that are fundamentally sound (good hands / good routes) and get RAC. We manufactured career seasons for WR1s the last two years (they are “Starters”.
I think Ags lack of production has been hard on the offense, he’s a JMAC clone so i see what chip was trying to do there.
All that said, i think drops are a combination of a lack of skill at the skill positions and not “perfect” balls. I think some of the drops came b/c the ball was getting there a little too early with a little too much heat. Maybe all these guys aren’t “hands” catchers an need the ball to him them in the chest.
I want to see Mark Sanchez, just so we can know if it’s Sam or not.
392 Jernst said at 6:33 PM on October 26th, 2015:
And, I think Chips right to a certain extent. You don’t NEED stars, IF all the other guys are exceptionally reliable and fundementally sound. Problem with us right now, is that we’re neither. The guys aren’t playmakers and they aren’t fundementally sound or reliable.
Also, while you don’t NEED playmaking stars in the scenario above. It’s still nice to have at least one. Just look at the Patriots. They have a lead footed, pin point accurate QB and they can get away with a cast of reliable, fundementally sound role players and complimentary type guys at most positions. But, the guy that really makes the offense go is Gronk, a true star playmaker at his position. And, that offense was truly unstoppable when it had Moss and Welker.
393 anon said at 7:42 PM on October 26th, 2015:
agree. I think he thought he could turn sammy b into a brady-type, but it hasn’t worked out that way despite the CK spin.
394 Iskar36 said at 5:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m frustrated as hell with Matthews, but I think it is a little unfair to say you have to scheme him open. He has been wide open a ton this season and if he could only hang on to the ball, he would be having a spectacular year. The problem for hI’m is, catching the ball is a HUGE part of being a WR.
395 Jernst said at 6:29 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You’re right that he does find himself wide open at times. What I meant by that, though, is that most of those times are against a zone when he runs clear across the field, crossing patterns with pick plays naturally built in, but rarely does he get that open when he’s truly asked to beat tight man-to-man coverage, one on one.
That doesn’t mean that he’s terrible, or a complete bust or anything like that. But, he’s simply not a guy who generates a lot of space for himself. Put him outside against a teams #1 CB, and he’s not the type of guy that’s going to turn the CB around with a great route or break the guys ankles with an astounding cut.
But, if he would just stop dropping the ball, he’d be a fantastic slot WR and a great #2 or #3 receiver. I just don’t see the skill set there to really excell on the outside as a playmaker. Agholar does have those skills though, so there’s hope that this group of young WRs can grow going forward.
396 Joe Minx said at 5:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
So the Cowboys have decided on no team discipline for Hardy. Sounds about right.
397 A_T_G said at 8:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You can’t punish your leaders for leading…
398 Bert's Bells said at 5:41 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Maybe they should move Thurmond and Carroll II to wideout.
399 OregonDucker said at 6:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Agreed. At least they are not losers.
400 GEAGLE said at 5:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
So sick to my stomach.. It’s been a rough year with some bad losses but this loss for some reason really really hurts.. I guess it’s because we so wanted turn the corner as a team and put the early season mess officially behind us by beating a solid team, and we fell short.. I guess how we fell short really hurts. Respect to the Panthers, they are even better than I thought, with that said, I still don’t think beating them was too tall of a task.
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I literally haven’t listened to a single press Confrence, local media member, haven’t read a single article or read a single post since we lost last night, so I’m not sure what the narrative is that is being fixated on after this loss, but I hope Sam Bradford ISNT getting killed today because we let the kid down last night. SAM wasn’t spectacular, but he was playing welll enough to have a big day on offense, and after all the heat he has taken, it’s a shame to see him step up, and his weapons łet him down last night… Protection wasn’t great, but what do you expect with Tobin at LT… SAM was actually handling the pressure well, working around it and still putting the ball on open recievers, and its a damn shame to see him respond the way he did last night and his Recieving corp łet him down…I Don’t know that I ever seen anything like that, good veteans like Sproles were even having Key drops, our young WRs need to grow the hell up ASAP..
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You can’t win games with all those drops killing drives, but that doesn’t excuse chip because I have beef with him too.. I’m not even going to complain about Mathews lack of touches, by beef is that it felt like from the beginning of the game we were having success every time we ran the ball, yet we didn’t stick to the run like we should have… Why the fuck would we throw 50 plus times when they are dropping Everything and we had so much success running in the first half…. We shouldn’t even have to talk about Murray vs Mathews because with the way the WRs were dropping balls, and the success we were having in the run, both Ryan and Murray should have had 18 carries a piece last night… I felt like I was watching an Andy Reid team, im begging at the TV to run the ball, and we passed ATleast 15 times too many, and I don’t understand it at all.. We have 3 great backs, the OL is starting to run block, last night was the perfect game to put the night on the backs of our 3backs, instead we passed an obsurd amount..
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Even if you are someone who thought SAM would have a great year for us, im sure you didn’t think he was going to pass 50 times a game.. Figured this would be a run first team and we ask SAM to throw 30-35 times max… I understand getting away from that early on when we couldn’t gain a yard on the ground, but we finally start having success in the run game and we still threw 55 times in a game our WRs were playing like dog shit… I just don’t understand.
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obviously nothing hurts me more than seeing our Run game łet a back get over 100 yards for the first TIme in 18 games, but you can’t rip the defense when it played so much better than the offense…Bennie Logan finally met a double team he couldn dominate
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It’s like we take two steps forward (Maxwell/secondary looks good, and QB,finally plays good) and then we take 5 steps backwards… half way thru and we have nothing we can hang our hat on and count on from one game to the next on Offense,… I just wish chip would put the passing game on hold and run 40 plus times on an opponent. We were wearing panthers down a bit, imagine how much more they would have worn down if we ran instead of passed 15 times
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Drunken idiot kicker actually hits one from 52, and kicksoff out of bounds and then misses a 50 yarder..
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I’m willing to be patience with a new QB in this system who hasn’t played in two years, but im sure the team knew it would have to step up and Carry SAM early this season, and his supporting cast still isn’t playing good enough for SAM to stand a chance
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Run Game, Bradford, Maxwell all finally showed up and played much better.. Instead of that being what would take this team over the top, we take 3 steps backwards..
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I so Badly wanted last night to be the game where we turned the corner and put the ugly. Start to the season behind us, but that clearly wasn’t the case..
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Back to the drawing board..
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Every week just about, we say “this is the most important game of the season”…., NO. THIS COWBOYS GAME COMING UP is EVERYTHING to Us… I don’t care if Dallas is completely healthy, our safety net is wearing thin, can not lose this Cowboys game… What looked like an easy Miami game, is starting to look tougher, no one would pick us to beat Patriots, and even if the skins lost yesterday, they still play us tough and seem to be a thorn in our side..
401 The original AG said at 9:59 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The narrative is that they didn’t throw the ball downfield and SB didn’t look good. I’m taking a break from Philly football media this week. A lot of these guys don’t understand taking what the defense gives you.
The run game would get 3-5 a clip and the passing game about 7. Dink and dunk isn’t a bad thing if that’s what they are daring you to do. Execute, and we score a lot of points last night. But those 3rd down drops or 10 yard penalties makes it tough on the offense.
You don’t have to throw the ball downfield every game, and those short plays keep the sticks moving. More plays are run and the defense gets tired.
To me the major issue is drops. Fix that and we are winning games. Everything else can be fixed over time.
402 JoeBlow said at 10:15 PM on October 26th, 2015:
i agree….Media is just calling for deep passes just for the sake of deep passes. I watched the Giants game with my father and he gets mad when a QB throws a 3 yard checkdown when it’s 3rd &18….but he doesn’t understand that the defense is playing off coverage and keeping everything in front. It’s sort of the same thing here with the media and them wondering about the deep pass. Most defenses the offense has faced this year plays back, mostly zone, and keeps everything in front. It’s why im sick of Chip continuing of the “Crossers” which goes nowhere because LB’s are just sitting in wait to make the tackle or blow the receiver up at the point of the catch. Throw in the fact that our QB and receivers seem to never be on the same page or make plays for one another and this is what you get. And stupid lazy penalties don’t help none either
403 GEAGLE said at 5:53 PM on October 26th, 2015:
At this rate, we will be Lucky if we are in position that the last game of the season against the Giamts will decide the division…
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Ultimately I don’t NEED 54-13 wins, I don’t NEED a 13-3 season, but you better not DARE miss the playoffs in this joke of a divusion.. I don’t care how ugly it is, you better score 1 point more than eniugh opponents to win this shit show of a divison
404 OregonDucker said at 6:22 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You will NOT get what you need GEagle. Without some major changes in the mindset of the players and coaches.
405 GEAGLE said at 6:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Relax
406 OregonDucker said at 6:26 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Agreed. But I am very pissed – I see the potential, yet they continue to find ways to lose. Hence, they are losers.
407 Tumtum said at 7:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Im pretty much in lock step with you.
408 Insomniac said at 9:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I rather not make the playoffs with like 6 good players and some mediocre ones just go they can get “experience”. BPA and get better since obviously this team is defunct of talent at some important positions.
409 Tumtum said at 12:47 AM on October 27th, 2015:
This is a championship caliber defense. The offense has potential. All they have to do is keep their heads out of their asses and stay alive in the division. This offense has the talent to get hot and go on a run.
If you meant 6 talented guys on offense I agree.
410 Insomniac said at 12:48 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Murray
Mathews
Sproles
???
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???
411 Tumtum said at 3:39 PM on October 27th, 2015:
Matthews, Celek, Ertz, Peteres, Johnson, Kelly, Agholor and yeah Bradford. Huff is someone who I don’t feel like justifying but I think he is talented as well.
Talent and playing to that talent are not the same thing. Implying a lack of talent implies that guys are at their best or their best isn’t good enough.
My point was more jar if you think there are only 6 talented people on this team you are delusional.
412 Insomniac said at 3:42 PM on October 27th, 2015:
I love Peters to death but he’s looking like he’s human these days.
Celek is past his prime and hasn’t been utilized like the old days.
Ertz isn’t a gamebreaking TE that people think he is
Johnson is way too inconsistent
Agholor hasn’t done shit man.
You’re placing your hopes on potential just like Chip has. You have to play well to reach that potential and those guys aren’t playing as well as we want.
413 Tumtum said at 7:44 PM on October 27th, 2015:
We were having a conversation about talent. Not about how they are currently preforming. I know what they are doing right now. I do feel like I have seen this team improves leaps and bounds this year just to compete in that Panthers game. The week 1 team would of been shut out. Despite the end results I see a team that has the ability to really put it together. Since they havent and its easier to decry doom and gloom, and follow the masses. Just forming my own opinions man.
I think Celek is playing very well personally. He has actually been making big catches when they try to use him in that role. Celek isn’t flashy but he is a good player that we need. Not everyone has to be game breaking to contribute to the team. He does what he is asked of him very, very well.
Ertz hasn’t done it like Jimmy Graham and Gronk have but he just made a huge play downfield in the last game. He has the ability.
I’m not sure how you complain about Johnson. Is he Runyan yet? I don’t think he is far from that for us.
Agholor is a rookie who has shown game breaking ability, but battled injuries. He is surrounded by veterans that chip likes. I never expected his impact to come until the second half of the season if at all this year.
Peters has been battling injuries as always but that has been a man on a mission when he has been on the field this year. When the run game has been working it has been behind him. Pass rush has been non-existent on the blind side.
414 OregonDucker said at 6:18 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Penalties + poor execution after 7 games = poor coaching. Drops, interceptions, sacks, stuffed runs = lack of talent.
FIRE EVERYBODY and rebuild. That is all.
415 TypicalDouche said at 6:41 PM on October 26th, 2015:
If that isn’t sarcasm, then it sounds like you are ready to admit that your boy Chip isn’t the “special” coach he’s been made out to be. I don’t feel that way but that’s what it sounds like to me.
416 anon said at 7:44 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Chip had a thesis, thesis didn’t turn out to be true, just gotta get new players at certain positions. I doubt we have a QB that costs us $12m next year.
417 Tumtum said at 7:53 PM on October 26th, 2015:
New: QB, LG, RG, WR1, RB (2)
QB coming off 2 year lay off, didn’t get tons of work with summer. New RB1 didn’t get tons of work this summer.
The defense is really freaking good. Yes they were out muscled last night but that was without their two best run stopping ILB.
I don’t think this is a good sample size, I just don’t. Especially after we saw the potential.
418 anon said at 8:08 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s 7 games. The season is almost half over. It’s not like the offense is getting bad breaks, it’s STRUGGLING.
419 Tumtum said at 12:44 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Don’t disagree with any of that.
420 fran35 said at 10:08 PM on October 26th, 2015:
The bottom line is that Chip Kelly has consistently deleted talent from the roster and crippled is with over priced busts. This is a fact. He sucks as a talent evaluator and is quickly losing the GENIUS moniker as a coach
421 GermanEagle said at 8:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Rebuild? Again?!! Boring..
422 EaglesFANqq said at 8:05 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Finally came around bro. took you long enough. Been saying it since before the Preseason Super Bowl Championship.
423 HawaiianEagle said at 8:07 PM on October 26th, 2015:
missed you the past 2 weeks. I guess flies are drawn to sh*t and not sugar after all.
424 GermanEagle said at 8:08 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Wait?! He wasn’t here when the Eagles were winning?
425 HawaiianEagle said at 8:12 PM on October 26th, 2015:
seems so long ago…
426 Aaron said at 8:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I am GT500
427 OregonDucker said at 8:18 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Bye.
428 GermanEagle said at 8:48 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Week?
429 The original AG said at 9:51 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I thought you were Kelly guy. Or is this sarcasm? Or a little bit of both?
430 HawaiianEagle said at 8:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m gonna take a week off from the Eagles, just like they take a week off from the NFL. I have faith in them moving forward – they played a pretty good team and played well enough to remain competitive for the most part. Disappointed in the front 7, they ran us over in 5-6 yard chunks.
I have 11 of 17 Eagle fantasy players – I’m gonna tank this week so I can keep them and come back in week 9 against Dallas with a vengeance.
And if we do not meet expectations this year – I’ll be back next year waving my eagle pennant and wearing my Cunningham jersey to work only to be ridiculed by all the cowgirl fans I am surrounded by. I’ll smile though because at some point in the future – I anticipate Chip and the boys will dominate.
431 Aaron said at 8:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I am gt500
432 TypicalDouche said at 9:14 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Cool story
433 anon said at 8:15 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Will say the Panthers have won their last like 10 regular season games. The team we played last year isn’ the team we played this year.
434 GermanEagle said at 8:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
What’s the difference between the Cards and the Eagles O?!
Fitz + Brown + Floyd > Matthews + Agholor + Cooper
435 anon said at 8:48 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Palmer > Bradford. Peterson > Maxwell,
436 anon said at 8:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
CJ2K > Murray?
437 GermanEagle said at 8:55 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Matthews > groin.
438 GermanEagle said at 8:55 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Didn’t know Peterson plays WR…
439 anon said at 8:56 PM on October 26th, 2015:
he actually did play both sides a couple of years ago
440 GermanEagle said at 9:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Maxwell too?
441 GermanEagle said at 8:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Chris Johnson might have injured his groin on that run.. #chippah
442 GermanEagle said at 9:10 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I was – and am still – one of the honey badgers biggest fan. Screw you big Red! 😉
443 Insomniac said at 9:24 PM on October 26th, 2015:
So college football junkies, any WRs that I should go watch tape on? I watched a few Laquon Treadwell breakdowns and the guy reminds me of Justin Blackmon with a better get off.
444 Mitchell said at 9:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Whoever Grayson was throwing to last year is worth a look.
445 Insomniac said at 10:43 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Rashad Higgins?
446 Mitchell said at 12:21 AM on October 27th, 2015:
I think that was it.
447 D3FB said at 6:19 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Not sure a guy nicknamed “Hollywood” is gonna be on the board.
448 Mitchell said at 2:36 PM on October 27th, 2015:
Dont care honestly. The WR are overrated. If he hasnt raped or killed someone he should be fair game.
449 GermanEagle said at 9:39 PM on October 26th, 2015:
And with less dope?!
450 Insomniac said at 10:42 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m not sure about that but probably. He has attitude. He acts like a diva after making a play.
451 JoeBlow said at 10:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Treadwell may be the best, My personal favorite is Josh Doctson although d3fb pointed out to me that he is already 24, Tyler Boyd is another good one….Not too crazy about this receiver class personally
452 Jernst said at 10:13 PM on October 26th, 2015:
eh…24 doesn’t bother me so much at WR. That guy would still have 8 years of potential prime production if he was a good player. It’s not like drafting a 28 year old guard who also happened to be a major project because he just picked up football 2 years ago.
453 JoeBlow said at 10:19 PM on October 26th, 2015:
yea I don’t think he was saying it was a huge deal, but i had no idea he was that old and still in school.
454 Jernst said at 10:32 PM on October 26th, 2015:
yea, so many players redshirt, or miss a year of eligibility or are just old for their grade, that the majority of highly drafted rookies come into the league at age 22-23 years old. So, I guess I’m not too concerned with someone being 24. Much more than that though, and you start to wonder if their just a full grown man beating up on teenagers, and how much production you’re going to get out of them once they develop and hit their stride that late in life once they get to the pros.
455 Joe Minx said at 10:17 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Corey Coleman. ‘Nuff said.
456 Insomniac said at 12:15 AM on October 27th, 2015:
He’s obviously talented but sometimes he just gives up on plays. That really kills me on a prospect. I’m probably higher on his former teammate Antwan Goodley than I am on Coleman right now.
457 D3FB said at 6:18 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Backside WR’s don’t run routes in Baylors scheme. Chris Brown talked about how annoying it was on twitter during the game last week.
458 myartz04 said at 9:26 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Is there a chance, with all things Eagles being about speed/tempo, that some of the little things such as simply catching a ball and other things aren’t practiced properly? Clearly playing fast and doing things fast have become a habit within the players…I just feel like it’s time for Chip’s grand tempo experiment to end. Time to slow it down and practice being precise. I understand that the Eagles get more reps that most team, but I’m really starting to question if he’s getting enough QUALITY reps.
459 Insomniac said at 9:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Drops weren’t that big of an issue in the first two years..
460 myartz04 said at 9:34 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m imagining the first year in the system is a lot different speed wise than now. Would imagine that every year would be an increase in the speed/efficiency aspect. Drops are part of it, just overall sloppiness. I would love to be at a closed practice to see what happens after a play is ran as sloppy as its been. Do they keep ruining it until they get it right, or to comply with tempo do they just move on to the next play like it never happened?
461 Insomniac said at 9:37 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m imaging it isn’t because Chip never gave a shit about time of possession. The WRs blow and that’s that.
462 Jernst said at 10:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
We’re actually running a slower tempo this year than the two previous years. If you look at the time between snaps, we increased speed from year one to year two by almost 2 seconds and then this year, while still working fast, we’re actually even slower than the first year.
463 anon said at 10:30 PM on October 26th, 2015:
we’re running at an almost “normal” pace this year.
464 Jernst said at 9:35 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I definitely think that our Tempo can be a huge advantage when it’s functioning properly, and I’ve seen players execute it well and be precise while doing so.
Slowing the tempo down could definitely help settle the players down a bit. But, I’m not sure if the entire theory needs to be scrapped all together.
Sometimes, the answer is simply talent. If you told most of us last year that the Cowboys were going to cut Dez Bryant and role with a receiving core that featured Riley Cooper, Miles Austin and Josh Huff as the only outside threats with an offensive line of Tobin – Barbre – Kelce – Kelly – Johnson, we’d all laugh and say my god, Tony Romo is going to get killed and that offense isn’t going to be able to do anything.
We don’t have talented playmakers on offense. Heck, we don’t even have simply good above average players on offense. We need a #1 WR and 2-3 new offensive lineman and a RB that can do damage out of the backfield and we might need a new QB too. But, it’s hard to tell about the QB because he’s once again surrounded by pure trash.
Huff, Austin, Cooper, Matthews…these guys just aren’t good.
465 myartz04 said at 9:39 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That’s well said. I think we have all been duped on the *potential* of our WRs. I mean damn, I thought Jordan was going to be borderline dominant this year. And your right. Simply put, they just suck.
466 Jernst said at 9:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s just second nature that fans over-value their own players. But, the truth with this team was that we were way off.
We forgot how often rookie WRs struggle, after the incredible success of last years group. Agholar seems to have a ton of talent, but it’s damn hard for rookies to step on the field day one and be a teams go to #1 WR.
Matthews is definitely disappointing. I had a lot higher hopes for him, and if he’d just catch the ball, he’d probably be meeting all our expectations. But, I don’t think he’ll ever be dominant.
He doesn’t have the elite athletic skills to dominate physically, and he lacks the elite body control that shows up at the point of the catch to be a trap that catches everything within a 10 foot radius of him.
Ertz is a nice player, but we all need to admit that he’s just never going to be Gronk or Jimmy Graham. He’s more of a Witten type. Which is fine. But, he can’t ever be the focal point of an offense.
Sproles is fun to watch, but he’s not that amazing either. He’s got straight up terrible hands and he’s way past his prime. Still can be explosive, but he’s just not someone you want as a focal point either.
Huff just isn’t very good at the little things. He’s a hammer with the ball in his hands, but there’s no polish on him at all. He’s a massive project to be anything more than a role player.
Cooper and Austin, are decent 4th WRs nothing more. No one on this offense scares defenses. Remember how teams would react and shuffle all over the place when Jackson would run orbit motion. He demanded attention. No one does that any more.
467 anon said at 9:57 PM on October 26th, 2015:
We have lots of role players, but they’re just not playing their roles. I think having an actual WR on the outside that could beat coverage made life for matthews a lot easier in the slot. But every team knows Matthews is the only one with any talent so he’s getting extra attention, plus he runs the same 3 routes every single game so it’s going to be hard for him to get going.
What happened to those TE screens that we were crushing people with 2 years ago?
468 Jernst said at 10:11 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Jordan is a guy that gets lost in zone coverage and has the physical skill set to beat up on smaller and sometimes slower slot CBs and LBs. That’s why he’s always running crossing routes, seams and flag patterns. He’s not skilled enough to beat man coverage on a regular basis or against top CBs. But, that would be fine if, one: he didn’t waste the few times a game that he does get lost in coverage and gets open by dropping the ball, and if we did have someone on the outside that could run the rest of the route tree with a high level of success.
There’s so much missing from previous years that used to work but no longer does. Whens the last time we saw any screen pass really work? Week 16 of the 2013 season is the last time I remember seeing one bust open for a decent game.
Where’d the pop pass go? What about the stack formation with the bubble screens/fly patterns built off of it? What about the read option wrinkles that worked with immobile QBs like Foles, where the option was to pass rather than run?
I’m surprised Bradford doesn’t have more interceptions when we run the same 4 passing concepts with a group of WRs that can’t beat man coverage over and over again.
469 fran35 said at 10:00 PM on October 26th, 2015:
At the end of the day, the line on Jordan Matthews coming out was that he lacked good hands, the speed to separate, but was a great dude. While we all love to bash the analysts, have they been wrong?
470 Jernst said at 10:04 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Pretty spot on. But, I’d be fine with Jordan Matthews if he becomes Marquise Colston and never becomes baby TO. If he’s a guy that can generate a 1000 yards and 80 catches for 6-8 TDs a year out of the slot, then I’m a happy man.
But, becuase he’s not an elite physical specimen that can dominate on a regular basis, he needs to be consistent and catch everything when he does get wide open.
471 fran35 said at 10:25 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I have no problems if the guy doesn’t turn out to be number 1 WR. I have problems with the coaching staff drafting a guy with physical flaws and pimping as our savior. If we are going to have garbage at WR, at least build the o line. Now we have nothing except for a lot of impotent studs at RB and a shell shocked googly eyed QB that makes Kevin Kolb look like he has moxy
472 anon said at 10:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
“and pimping as our savior” I think the fans did that with the “pope” jordan, etc.
473 JoeBlow said at 10:32 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Which one of the coaches “pimped him as our savior”?
474 fran35 said at 10:40 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That was more the action of the fans and media. Don’t underestimate the fact that the organization cut desean and let maclin walk out the door in consecutive years. That kind of makes most fans believe that Matthews must be the man…Or maybe it’s Pooper?? Actually, when I stop and think about it, Pooper has looked MUCH better. So we have they going for us
475 Jernst said at 10:38 PM on October 26th, 2015:
That’s fair. Definitely questionable whether we needed to trade up to get Matthews in a draft loaded with similar players.
We could have just stayed put in the second round and gotten Allen Robinson, and could have taken John Brown or Donte Moncrief with our pick in the 3rd. Hell, if we didn’t trade our third rounder in the trade up for Matthews we could have drafted Robinson, Brown and Moncrief.
476 fran35 said at 11:09 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Congratulations, sir. You have succeeded in making me more depressed. I like Jordan Matthews the man and desperately want him to succeed.
477 Jernst said at 11:49 PM on October 26th, 2015:
If you really want to play the depressing hind sight is 20/20 game, Kelvin Benjamin, Jarvis Landry (also available at our 2nd round pick), Allen Robinson, John Brown and Donte Moncrief were all available at our original 4 picks and Martavius Bryant was available at our 4th round pick, in a draft that we obviously wanted to come away with 2 WRs.
Given those choices we turned our second and 2 third rounders into Matthews and Huff.
Ouch.
478 anon said at 11:52 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I think we wanted Landry but he went sooner than we thought, think that Chip wanted (1) Matthews, (2) Landry, but then we got MSII, jumped to get Matthews, Landry was taken so we got a player like Landry.
479 Insomniac said at 12:08 AM on October 27th, 2015:
WRs taken after Matthews
Davante Adams
Cody Latimer
Allen Robinson
Jarvis Landry
All of those guys have better hands, body control, and high pointing the ball than Matthews.
The next WR taken after Landry? Josh Huff. Lol.
480 Insomniac said at 12:04 AM on October 27th, 2015:
I would have murdered someone for Landry. That guy DOES NOT DROP ANY PASSES. Robinson would have been a stud in this offense.
481 anon said at 12:12 AM on October 27th, 2015:
yeah i was pulling hard for landry, he’s what they call “a baller”.
482 Insomniac said at 12:17 AM on October 27th, 2015:
If only he was taller and faster. Landry and ODB practice those crazy one handed catches with each other. No wonder they have crazy good hands and body control.
483 anon said at 11:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Those guys aren’t as well spoken / hard working.
484 GermanEagle said at 9:40 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Bicknell needs to go.
485 myartz04 said at 9:40 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I was wondering about that. Look how well Undlin has done…
486 Jernst said at 9:28 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Great write up on Bradfords mechanics over on eaglesrewind. Definitely worth a read.
http://eaglesrewind.com/
It’s definitely obvious in the GIFs that a lot of Bradfords accuracy issues are mechanical. As if there’s another option. But, he’s definitely not transfering his weight properly. Looks very lacksidaisical with his entire delivery and does not drive off his back foot and follow through to his front leg.
Doesn’t answer whether or not he can fix that, but I think it’s interesting nonetheless.
487 anon said at 9:30 PM on October 26th, 2015:
great to watch all of these players that LOVE contact.
488 myartz04 said at 9:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Awesome to watch how Fitz and Smith just catch everything…even if it’s 4 inches off target..
489 Jernst said at 9:44 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yea, I’m as disappointed with Sam’s play as anyone, but I’m starting to get seriously annoyed at how many people rush to blame Sam for every dropped pass because it wasn’t placed perfectly in their hands to a quarter of an inch.
I watched the Patriots during their last two games and Brady, who’s about as accurate as they come, had throws all throughout each game that hit his receiver on their back shoulder or were a little high or a little low. The only difference was that his guys made the catch with no struggle whatsoever and turned up field and the announcers just marveled at what a machine Brady was.
I just read an article on philly.com that claimed, the throw that Matthews dropped last night that resulted in an INT was so badly off target that it was a miracle he even got a hand on it. Go watch the video Jimmy posted where you can see the play clearly. Matthews is running across the middle and slowing down to sit in the open zone, he’s got his shoulders nearly square to the QB (he’s not running full tilt across the middle and having to contort his body backwards to catch a back shoulder throw), he’s almost at a dead stop and a perfect spiral hits him on the left side of his chest, just inside his left shoulder and pops up into the air because he tried to body catch it with a combination of his bicep and right hand.
That’s a catch that 100% has to be made. And, a sizeable portion of the fanbase is like, “yea sure Matthews COULD have caught that ball, but Bradford needs to be much more accurate, that ball should be at least 3 inches over to the right so it hits Matthews square in the chest before we’ll put all the blame on the WR.” It’s insane to me.
490 anon said at 9:50 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Sam’s throwing a lot of balls in the strike zone. These guys are pros.
491 JoeBlow said at 9:54 PM on October 26th, 2015:
i totally agree with this and said sort of the same thing a couple weeks ago…..i’ve never seen people be so over critical of a quarterbacks ball placement. I’ve always had the rule: Two feet on the ground, two hands on the ball-Player MUST make the catch
492 Jernst said at 10:01 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Totally agreed. And, I’ll definitely side with a WR if he’s running full speed across the field and the balls a yard behind him and he has to instantaneously stop, contort his body and dive backwards to get his hands on it. If you have to do all that and the ball hits the turf, that’s a tough catch that’s on the QB, and you shouldn’t be expected to catch it simply because you made a ridiculous effort to get your hands on it.
But, we’ve seen it all year. In the first game with the two wheel routes that were dropped. Mathews was wide open and had to slow up and turn slightly to catch a soft ball lob that ended up hitting him right in the chest. He was so wide open I could easily see why Sam would just lob it in there short rather than trying to hit him in perfect stride and potentially over throwing him by a few inches. And, all anyone wanted to talk about was the fact that Mathews had to slow up and turn his shoulders.
493 myartz04 said at 10:03 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Couldn’t agree more. Even the throw in the end zone to Ertz was a good throw…dude made a great play, tip your cap. I also have never seen someone have so much criticism on ball placement. He’s been giving his guys a chance, and he’s been let down. What I’m most pissed about is that was the 2nd time this year we had a chance to see what Bradford does in a clutch situation (this is how I judge QBS mostly) to win or tie a game and his teammates pissed it away.
494 Jernst said at 10:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Yea. I’m most disappointed in the end of the Atlanta game. Bradford was ON FIRE that second half. Best I think he’s looked all year. They took the ball out of his hands while he was marching up and down the field at will and ran two inside hand offs that were stuffed followed by a missed FG.
Then at the end, how much would you have loved to have seen what would have happened in the alternate universe where Matthews makes that routine catch and Sam gets a confidence boost and a new set of downs to continue driving against an exhausted Falcons defense?
495 Jernst said at 10:20 PM on October 26th, 2015:
People say it all the time…this is a talent driven league. So, who on this offense has talent? Who do we have that is talented enough to strike fear into opposing defenses? If you’re playing the Eagles, who do you say to yourself, “that guy scares me, he’s gonna get his and we gotta really bring our A-game to limit the damage he’s gonna do.”
I’m at a loss. I don’t see anyone on that side of the ball that you feel confident in that can deliver the big play at any moment. Hell, I don’t see anyone that I’m confident in can deliver the clutch 8 yard catch when we need a first down on 3rd and 7. Ertz is probably the closest to being that guy. But, with no outside threat to take some of the defenses’ attention away from him, he’s not that hard to limit.
I think Agholar’s lack of production in replacing Maclin, and Matthews’ affliction to catching the ball has really put the passing game in a state of panic hope, rather than controlled confidence. We’re just tossing balls up to Austin, Ertz and Cooper, hoping they make a play.
496 Joe Minx said at 10:23 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I’m normally a pretty positive person, but when you actually inspect this situation it really does seem pretty hopeless. At this point it’s going to take a minor miracle to keep Chip’s “vision” from going the way of the Hindenburg.
497 myartz04 said at 10:35 PM on October 26th, 2015:
I think Agholor could be that guy. Might take some time but he has that athleticism that jumps out at you.
498 Jernst said at 10:41 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Agreed. Agholar has those physical skills that jump off the screen and let you know that he has the athleticism to be a difference maker. It isn’t showing up this year yet, but I have faith that he’s going to be a good player.
Without him though, it’s hard to have a successful passing game with Cooper and Huff/Austin as your outside WRs. Add in a running game thats far from dominant and we’re forced to rely on a steady diet of Ertz, Matthews and RB check downs and that’s not going to scare anyone.
499 anon said at 10:41 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Also I wonder what happened to play design / play calling on this team. It seems like everyone only runs 3 routes at the most. How many times can we see sproles run the same wheel route, or WRs run the same curl, etc.
500 Jernst said at 10:47 PM on October 26th, 2015:
It’s shocking how much the play book has been widdled down. And, it doesn’t just seem like we run the same 3 routes over and over. We really do.
We run the mesh concept with receivers crossing underneath to create natural picks with a RB wheel route to one side.
We run the snag concept with the inside receiver running a flag pattern the outside receiver runs a short curl and the running back runs a swing pattern to the flat.
We run 4 verticles…occassionally.
And….that’s it…There isn’t much more to this passing offense. I’m actually surprised we see guys come open as much as we do. I’d figure by now the defenders would be sitting all over those pass concepts ready to bait the QB into throwin INTs.
Check out this peice on Chip Kelly’s playbook from year one: http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/06/16/22-resources-chip-kellys-playbook/
Notice how many of these successful concepts we have not seen since then.
501 anon said at 11:06 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Raheem mostert playing ST on Ravens.
502 anon said at 11:27 PM on October 26th, 2015:
Gotta hate the way joe flacco puts on his big boy pants, i’m jealous.
503 Jernst said at 11:36 PM on October 26th, 2015:
You watch that first half again and it’s really hard to put much of the blame on Bradford. Here’s the play by play.
Start out with ball on our own 20.
1st and 10: completes a designed swing pass to Murray for 2 yards
1st and 10 after a 7 yard Murray run followed by an 11 yard Murray run: Dropped pass brings up 2nd and 10 and a 4 yard Sproles run brings up 3rd and 6: Bradford completes a strike for 10 yards and a first down into tight coverage, but it’s called back by holding penalty on Lane Johnson. Bradford is sacked on 3rd and 11 with no one open and quick pressure.
Next drive starts again at our own 20.
1st and 10: Hits Matthews right in his chest, he drops it and it’s intercepted.
Next drive starts at our own 6.
2nd and 6 after 4 yard run: Completes a 4 yard WR screen to Matthews
3rd and 2: 22 yard strike to Austin
2nd and 9 after 1 yard run by Murray: 20 yard completion to Mathews.
1st and 10: 1 yard run by Murray, then sacked on second and 9
3rd and 16: incomplete throw over the middle. Everyone was covered.
That’s the end of the first quarter. 3 drives. 2 dropped passes, 1 interception and 2 sacks on third and long. One 3rd down conversion overturned by holding penalty.
The rest of the half was more of the same. On the next drive he converts a 3rd and 4 after two runs with a nice pass for 7 yards. He converts another first down by scambling through multiple defenders when no one came open and he had quick pressure. And then after a Kelce holding penalty puts them in 2nd and 15 he completes an 8 yard pass and then hits JMatt in the hands on 3rd down and he drops a sure fire first down. Punt
Next drive we start at our 29. He converts a 3rd and 6 with a 10 yard pass to Ertz. Converts the following 1st and 15 (after false start) with a 22 yard pass. Completes a 6 yard pass to huff and on 3rd and 4 Huff drops a pass that hits him in the stomach for another sure fire first down. FG.
Start at our 39. Completes a 3 yard pass to JMatt followed by a 13 yard pass interference on a pass to JMatt and a 12 yard pass to Ertz. Sproles drops the perfectly placed first down pass. JMatt can’t get his feet in bounds on the perfectly placed 2nd pass into the back of the endzone. Norman bats away a decent pass to Ertz in the endzone. FG.
6 total first half drives. The first one ends after he converts a 3rd down, with a holding call followed by a sack. The second ends because of JMatt’s butter fingers. Third ends on third and long after sack. Fourth ends on a perfectly placed 3rd down pass thats dropped. 5th ends on perfectly placed 3rd down pass that’s dropped. 6th ends with a drop, a TD pass where JMatt can’t get his feet in and a great play by Norman to get a finger on an otherwise pretty decent throw.
504 anon said at 12:53 AM on October 27th, 2015:
watched the all 22 of the jmatt interception. You’ll see the linebacker he is on, prior to the snap, drops into the zone where jmatt runs all his routs. this takes away any advantage – speedwise – that jmatt might have, he’s just running into the center to get clobbered, EAGLES must see that every week. If JMATT has an option route where if the LB drops into zone he makes a fake inside but runs a deep route that’s a big play.
505 anon said at 12:13 AM on October 27th, 2015:
Matt Ryan has only had 5 attempts >25 yards downfield this season. In
7 games. Pretty impressive, really. Bridgewater next w/ 8 (in 6 gms)