Jordan Hicks Out
Posted: November 9th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 162 Comments »The Eagles got their biggest win of the year on Sunday night, but it came at a price. Rookie sensation Jordan Hicks tore his pectoral muscle and is out for the year. Another day, another ILB injury.
Is this a big deal? If you take away INTs, FFs, FRs and sacks, Hicks really wasn’t that good of a player. Right? Hicks is one of the best Eagles rookie LBs in the last 30 years, if not all time. Seth Joyner and William Thomas each started about half of their rookie years and were solid. Mychal Kendricks was good in 2012. Jeremiah Trotter didn’t play as a rookie and Byron Evans only started a few games.
Maybe the best rookie LB was Ray Farmer back in 1996. He started 11 games and had 42 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, 3 PDs, 2 FFs and 3 FRs. Farmer showed a ton of promise. Unfortunately knee injuries ended his career shortly after that. Enough of the trip down memory lane. Let’s get back to the present.
Losing Hicks is tough, but shouldn’t be a huge issue. Kiko Alonso came back from injury last night and DeMeco Ryans is on the way back. He could very well play this week. Mychal Kendricks is fully healthy now. The Eagles once again have a trio of ILBs they want to get on the field. Najee Goode is quality depth and Emmanuel Acho was re-signed. He’s become the defensive equivalent to Julian Vandervelde. Here. Gone. Here. Gone. Here. Gone. Here.
Hicks proved to be a big time playmaker and normally that’s tough to replace. The good news is that Kendricks, Alonso and Ryans all have playmaking ability. There is no guarantee they’ll produce like Hicks was, but the potential is there. Ryans was very good against the Giants a few weeks back. Alonso made an incredible pick in the opener. Kendricks is a terrific athlete who can do just about anything.
It sure is a good thing that Chip Kelly and the personnel guys made such a point of building up depth at ILB in the offseason. The Eagles have had a lot of injuries there, but they haven’t affected the overall performance of the defense.
As to Hicks, he is just a rookie. A torn pectoral muscle shouldn’t have any lingering effects and he should be ready to go in the spring. Obviously he will be key player in 2016.
There is one concern. One of the reasons Hicks fell in the draft was due to injuries. He had trouble staying healthy at Texas. He lasted half of his rookie year before getting hurt. This bears watching in the future.
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There was some talk by some fans that Lane Johnson should stay at LT for the rest of the year.
Not so fast. He played well last night, but you want your 5 best OL on the field and this year that means Jason Peters at LT and Johnson at RT.
Peters is open to moving to OG at some point. Maybe that happens in the offseason. The Eagles could then spend a high pick on a RT or sign one in free agency. We’ll get into that in January…or later.
What about Dennis Kelly? I haven’t studied the All-22 yet. We’ll see how he looks upon further study. Chip said good things about him in his PC today.
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Jimmy Bama’s hero is having one heck of a year.
Donnie Jones is on pace to set Eagles single-season records for gross (47.8) and net (42.8) punting average. #DonnieLongBall
— Brett Strohsacker (@BStrohEagles) November 9, 2015
Joking aside, a good punter can help a team in a big way. Field position is an overlooked part of the game.
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With Sam Bradford playing in all 549 offensive snaps this season, Rams no longer have to give Eagles 4th-round pick as part of QB trade.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 9, 2015
If Sam has a good second half of the season, this won’t be a big deal. You’d rather have good QB play than a mid-round pick.
If Sam starts throwing end zone INTs again, this will be another reason to hate him.
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It’s looked awkward at times but in the last 4 games the Eagles have picked up a lot of yards on the ground. If they can keep that going a lot of passing yards should be available.
The importance of beating up teams with the run cannot be overstated. We absolutely need to keep pounding the rock to get Murray in a rhythm and heat off of Bradford on the pass rush. They really should feast on Miami (31st), Tampa (14th), and Detroit (28th) who all can’t stop the run very well.
Running the ball will open up the pass. It will also demoralize the defensive front. They will lose confidence, which will show in their performance in the bedroom. Their significant others will leave them and their home life will crumble. They will have no friends, lose their homes, and end up living in a cardboard box outside the practice facility.
See? It can be overstated.
What’s overstated there? Sounds just like Warren Sapp.
Opponents were NO, NYG, CAR and DAL
In rush yards allowed in the NFL, CAR ranks 15th best, DAL 18th, NYG 22nd and NO 25th.
The next 3 games we have: MIA ranks 31st, DET 30th and TB 15th so we should continue to do well.
The real tests will be after that when we face NE, ranked 3rd, ARZ, ranked 4th and BUFF, ranked 6th against the run. If we continue to do well against them, then we got something quite good.
Some tidbits from Jordan Hicks’ scouting reports.
“His problem is that it’s hard to project the player fitting into his traits because he struggles to make plays outside of the scheme,” said an AFC area scout”
[not so far]
“He will likely be a third day selection.”
“Has football character in spades,”
“The 6-foot-2, 244-pound linebacker hadn’t made it through a full season since 2011.”
“He’ll probably be a coach after he’s done with football.”
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/131785/jordan-hicks
For those of you who would like to know more about pec tears, here is a fantastic article about the surgical process as well as comparing outcomes between surgical and conservative management. Its a bit lengthy but if you skip toward the bottom you get the “meat:” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953288/ Basically Hicks has an excellent prognosis as long as he actually tore the tendon and not tendon/muscle. After 6 months he will be lifting 50% of his 1 rep max, possibly even sooner with the advances in treatment. When do contact drills start? In 7 months? He should be full strength by the beginning of next season.
Thanks for the article doc.
“Basically,” huh? There is a lot of meat left on that bone.
Gotta think pro athletes accelerate the timetable a lot. Most rehab is the equivalent of working on your junker car during the weekend. These guys are fixing up Bentleys as a full time gig.
Exaxtly but there is a limit to how quickly the body can heal and no matter what you do it cannot go faster. Perhaps the next breakthrough in medicine will be stem cells or nanobots. Something to heal more quickly on a cellular level.
human growth hormone can do wonders for healing.
Yes, but the NFL’s zero-tolerance bullcrap keeps sports science in this area in the dark ages. I would hope a TUE exemption, because it’s legitimately for healing an injury, would apply here.
I feel really good about the future of this team. Thats with bradford or without.
I like the idea of Lant at LT and peters at LG.
How can you not like this guy:
https://twitter.com/batmandervelde/status/663903666017951745
at least make him a water boy or something, damn
Backup to Swoop?
We must have offended the football gods
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It’s a shame about Hicks. But the positive is that I thought last night was the best the Eagles have looked all season.
I think the team can handle the loss. It is a shame for the young man, though, and us as fans. When is the last time we had a DROY?
Well Ryans was DROY but he didn’t play for us back then.
I did some deep, hard-hitting research (Wikipedia) and found this wonderful quote:
“The Eagles and the Jaguars are the only franchises to never have a player win either award.”
This is depressing.
Crazy is we have some of the best defensive players in NFL history.
Interesting. We now have Ryans who won it for the Texans and Kiko who won (from one of the two groups that award it) for the Bills. Also, I believe Hugh Douglas won DROY when he was with the Jets.
never good when you are mentioned in same sentence as the Jags…
who are not only a perennially bad franchise, but also have had significantly less opportunities to win such an award (being a much much younger franchise).
And the Jags have only existed for 20 years.
Damnit.
how has Hicks been, I thought you mentioned he has to learn to shed blocks better. Is his production skewed by being the only healthy LB? I guess I’m asking based on right now, how good is Hicks and how does he rank with the other 3?
He’s still prone to overrun gaps, not Jamar Chaney “ITS A SWEEP!” level overruns, but still.
The 3rd and short this last week where they picked up like 12 and Collinsworth was saying how amazing it was that the Cowboys ran right into the blitz and still worked blah blah blah: Kenricks blitzed into the front side over the guard. Hicks scraped over the top also into the front side A gap. McFadden took it right up the backside A gap.
It’s little things like that. His block shedding has been ok. He’s a rookie and will get better at that over time. But his strength is when you allow him to play in space, because damn near everybody in the Big 12 runs some version of a spread or Air Raid so he’s got experience in spades.
So he’s good or might be great?
He’s good with a strong chance to be very good. It’s too early to project him as being great, still alot of room for improvement in his game.
Biggest thing for him will be remaining consistently healthy.
GM Chip does need to get some credit when it is due. Good job to stack that position. He saw what happened to the defense last year when Ryans went out.
I think the defense in general is a good key. Plus, they’ve run for 150+ yards in the last 4 games. Something else that gets overlooked when people talk about Chip the GM.
anything remotely positive gets overlooked
Too true.
yes, and re-signing Kendricks instead of trading him – lets hope the kid produces from here out.
Time for Kiko to shine. Really looking forward to seeing him a lot these next three games. Hopefully the offense can put up some points and he can get into game shape for Gronk.
If I had to choose losing a player for a year if he single handedly destroyed Dallas season, I think I’d have to take it. Godspeed, Mr. Hicks, you are a hero to us all.
#cowboykiller
#MarlboroMan
And he follows it up by wishing Acho a “Happy Birthday.” We just won’t be able to say too many good things about this guy. Hicks is the man.
I want to create account on Blogging the Boys called “Jordan Hicks” and just post things like “have a great day, guys!”
“The Eagles could then spend a high pick on a RT” — because CK spends draft picks on linemen. LOL.
Lane Johnson #3 pick in 2013 draft.
Yeah. You found 1. SMH.
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now, list the number of draft picks CK has made and count the number of linemen. Then calculate the odds of him drafting another one.
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what does high draft pick mean anyway? top 10? I’m hoping for better than that….
#3 overall pick in the entire draft. That’s a pretty big investment, dude.
1 pick in how many years. Yes, LJ is an investment. Where are the other investments for the o-line?
Cmon yank, you know he is going to invest in the O-line this off-season. Why even pretend he wont?
will he invest a “high” pick? That’s really the part I’m questioning. Say CK gets pick between 15-20, would he take a lineman at that spot? I don’t think so. If there’s someone worth taking, he’ll be gone before pick 10. If I had to had guess(or hope), he loads up on some linemen in the back part of the draft(and FA) and not a “high” pick.
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And it’s CK — nobody has been able to predict CK yet and I’m not going to assume we’re all going to know what he’s thinking.
And if Chip had drafted 2 or 3 offensive linemen from a very average class, you would be hollering that he should have fixed the defense instead.
and that opinion is based on what? Only draft pick I always complain about is Huff. I never liked the pick. Still don’t like. Besides that I trust in the picks he makes. I question MS2’s ability since he hasn’t been much. So, in short, you’re wrong.
This line of thinking is what got Andy Reid in trouble.
You don’t look for positions in the draft, you look for the best possible player who is a scheme fit where you’re picking.
I don’t remember thinking, not a single time, “Wow, CK should have picked OL_X at that spot, he was a better value than who we picked.”
33.3% of CK 1st round picks were spent on OL
33.3 on WR
33.3 on Bench warming LBs that fail to get contain when on field.
Now, that’s funny! I still don’t know what “high” draft pick means. I wonder if it means 1st 3 rounds? or top 10. CK wasn’t in charge, according to reports, of the LJ pick. I assume he was in charge of all picks but was told(on this board) he was just an advisor and that old GM(not to be named) was in charge of those picks….
“The problem is he wasn’t here
in OTAs, he missed a lot of camp and he missed the first [seven]
games,” Gruden said, “so to have the cohesiveness with the quarterback
right out of the chute would probably be a little bit wishful thinking.” – J. Gruden on trolls boy DJACC
well played Chip..
Hicks out??? What??? Please help us Sports Science!!! In all seriousness, this is a big loss for us…the rookie was the most consistent LB for us….
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/664082291497566208
May need to refresh.
https://youtu.be/uYX-NSZMqt0
Just over a month away!
Can someone point out the struggles of Huff and what seems to be his issue this year?
Any one thing? Or is it a bunch of things? Is it correctable or is he going to be a bust?
Had two bad RZ drops in the last two games. One in the EZ and one that was almost picked off around the 5yd line.
Not being able to catch or get open. He is a gadget guy, a 3rd round miss.
He’s been open plenty of times. All are receivers have been. Not sure where this myth that our receivers are never open came from…
They’ve been open some, but not enough. If you’re arguing that a good QB would be getting them the ball more, you’ll get no argument from me.
Also, good receivers would have caught the ball more. Huff has dropped a bunch.
Agreed. I’d like him as a 3rd WR who can do different things. If Agholor can start producing toward the end of this year (which understandably may not happen with a rookie WR who missed time), Huff might be in just the right position.
I think the key is to view the WR (and even TE) corps as a group. Next year will be very telling for how the Matthews/Ertz/Agholor group fits together. If Celek can keep playing for a little while longer, we’ll be able to rock the 2 TE sets more, which is great. And then bring Huff once in a while. Provide a spark. Go back to the sideline.
good blocker
I really think Huff is good, I forget why now, but maybe watching his college highlights?
but he is tough and when he has some space he can do things, we just haven’t gotten him there too often.
It’s a combination of factors for Huff.
He’s missed some time due to injury and been dinged up in other games.
He’s had the case of dropsies that seem to be going around the NovaCare which for a guy who isn’t going to be a primary target have impacted his numbers
He’s pressing too much (just like JMATT was) trying to do too much, pretty sure that’s why he dropped that screen this week because he would have to break a tackle/beat the man to the endzone but would have likely scored
He’s been miscast a bit. His best assest is his RB like demeanor once he has the ball in his hands. Ideally he’s best used either in a TAZR type role (don’t really use that much here, and sproles takes those snaps) or as a Jason Avant type except with the ability to break a tackle and cause chaos once he has the ball.
Having watched a few other games, I’m thinking that dropsies seem to be going around the whole league at times. Even Cobb a couple of days ago dropped more than he caught. Somehow Rodgers’ stat line looks awfully average when his receivers are ham-fisted.
Same thing with Peyton Manning.
A Jason Avant type, one of the guys with best hands in the NFL type?
No insofar as you use him to sit down in holes in the zone as a slot WR
I like Collingsworth, but even if you don’t this is a good read.
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/664087968672518144
I don’t like Collinsworth so much, but what he said about the situation was very impressive. I have a newfound respect for him.
Did you catch what Tony Dungy said before the game? Something like, “I believe in retribution but only when there is contrition. Hardy has not shown authentic contrition.”
Yeah, the Hardy situation has really made me see that a lot of players don’t like him. It’s not lost on me that Carolina just flat out released him unlike Baltimore and RR.
The league rallied around Vick when he got out of jail and came back into the league, and Dungy was his biggest supporter. This is a guy that killed dogs for gambling. Long story short, after Dungy’s talk with Vick he felt he was contrite.
I think the NFLPA needs to step up like Collingsworth said, and make it a priority to handle stuff like this.
Dungy’s support for Vick is probably the main reason Mike got back into the NFL. Tony has a tremendous reputation as a man of integrity. Jerry Jones, on the other hand, well…
It’s money at this point. The NFL probably can’t go back and hammer the dude without legal trouble (expensive prospect for NFL). And unless fans actually boycotted the NFL, or players strike, make NFL face huge losses for inaction, in which case the NFL would be better off just paying Hardy to go away. But as it stands, nothing will happen since the NFL’s love for money combined with the fan’s love for football, trumps our collective will to do the right thing…sadly
Retribution as in punishment or revenge, or maybe something like redemption which means clearing a debt?
My mistake. Dungy clearly said “redemption.” I’m going to edit that post.
Read the article. I did come away from it with respect for Collinsworth as someone with integrity, not just a yes-man for the network.
There was an interesting comment that the anti-Hardy sentiment is at least partly racist. It is interesting that some pictures of a bruised girl have made this guy public enemy #1, while Rothlisbuger’s exploits seem to mostly slid off his back. *shrug*
Another comment taking Hardy’s side pointed out that he had bruises on him, and wondered why no one lent any credence to his story that she was coked out. He said that she attacked him, what was he supposed to do?
Not judging, but I actually got attacked by a girl in middle school. She was calling me a chink and whatnot. Of course, the logical rejoinder was out of bounds, so I probably called her a dummy. She was a tough character, loudmouth, ended up getting in trouble, pregnant, etc, a couple years later. In any case, I merely defended myself as she went at me like a vicious badger! I was pretty into karate at the time, but didn’t throw anything. She did manage to scratch my face. Unfortunately, some of the other kids in class interpreted my not knocking her out as getting my ass kicked. I once saw her on the bus, and she was sitting with a bunch of black kids (she is black), and said “That’s the boy I kicked his ass”. And I had to spend just as much time in detention as her! That being said, I am still glad I didn’t “Hardy” her.
I think the Roethlisberger case has 3 powerful differences.
1. You’re probably right, the public is more likely to believe/defend a doofy-looking and relatively charismatic white guy. But I contend that we were wrong with how we handled Roethlisberger.
2. It wasn’t long ago but since then we have culturally made tremendous strides as a society. At the time many (most even?) had a tendency to view the person of authority as a victim. A big vulnerable target with tons of people looking to profit with the threat of ruining a reputation, a target that will pay to make a problem go away. Even with cops, at the time no one was very scrupulous when it was reported that a person from X neighborhood died “resisting arrest” and had drugs found on them. Since then we’ve seen too many public figures who have a ton of people vouch for their character go down (Cosby for example). We’ve gotten better at giving victims the benefit of the doubt (especially with rape, we’ve figured out that it takes a lot of courage for rape victims to go public about their more vulnerable moment they’ve ever had). We at least look into what might have actually happened.
3. Roethlisberger has a remotely competent PR team. He insisted he never did anything wrong, but his irresponsible lifestyle put him in a vulnerable position. So he found Jesus and he’s squeaky clean now (eye rolls).
Well said.
And honestly there may be a racial component to the differences between how Hardy and Roethlisberger were treated. But that means that Roethlisberger should have received more scrutiny, not that Hardy should received less scrutiny.
Also, one additional difference is that no charges were filed against Roethlisberger, were in the Hardy case, testimony was heard in court, Hardy was found guilty, and now the public gained access to the pictures. I still think Roethlisberger is a scum bag and after the initial reporting, the media and most fans act like nothing ever happened.
I think people underestimate how much Ben is despised. There is a lot of hate for him, I see it online all of the time.
I don’t think there would be one iota of difference in how the situations would be handled if someone found a picture of Ben’s off-duty cop buddy taking the doorknobs off the bathroom door.
Didn’t know that detail. Was that the most recent one or one of the earlier ones?
I think in the alleged rape in the bar an off duty cop was ben’s security and wouldn’t let the victim’s girlfriend by. The girlfriend was trying to get her out of there.
I remember that one but not that detail. Wow. And I didn’t think my opinion of him could get any lower.
I don’t know how you can do that. What is in your head? Ben is screwing that semi (?) drunk girl and the friend wants to stop it but I’m going to stand in her way. But he got really disciplined. He wasn’t allowed to moonlight for Ben anymore.
nice job taking the high road.
somewhere i read that hardy’s face mark can be seen in a picture taken before the holder assault, meaning that it was just some shit on his face he tried to pass off as being from her
I’m a white guy so I guess I can always be accused of having a subtle, blind racism. Maybe, but I really don’t think so in this case.
In your circumstance, the girl was ignorant. You did the right thing by defending yourself and the girl was lucky you didn’t unload your martial arts skills on her. I trust your karate teacher praised your restraint, especially because you had to suffer the gossip of the other kids. I hope it worked out ok, kind of “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.”
Hardy is a mammouth of a man. I doubt his girlfriend could have hurt him at all. Plus, the pics indicate a brutal attack on her while he wasn’t marked, as best as I could see.
yeah a few people have mentioned vick. unlike vick did time and worked for redemption.
and actually Vick seemed to regret his actions. He didn’t describe his first game back as a “dog fight” for example
https://twitter.com/RoobCSN/status/664130890637819904
Hey Tommy, where did you hear about Peters being open to a move to guard? I’m not doubting….just curious since I never remember reading that anywhere.
If we could get another couple of years of top notch road grading guard play out of Peters that would be huge! The left side of the line would be set for the next few years giving us time to groom a guard as Peters replacement and we could totally rebuild a dominant line with one high pick at RT and one FA signing at RG.
There were tweets shared in these comments last week, maybe, about him being open to it. I can’t remember any of the details about who shared them or who tweeted it.
D3FB posted in response to my disbelief at the possibility.
I still don’t buy it -34 year old 6 million guard who never played interior line and is breaking down.
Would love it if it happened, but is stinks of fan talk. Like “Dawkins should become D-Coordinator after he retires”. Not that dumb, but still.
No, that conversation was more recent. There were tweets from reporters shared a few days before that.
It’s also much more common for an aging tackle to move to guard than for an All Pro safety to move to defensive coordinator. Especially when Andy Reid isn’t the coach.
Is it? Examples?
none off the top of my head but I’m sure a Google search would yield results, if others don’t recall any immediately.
You really have a bug up your ass about this, don’t you?
Not aging guys specifically because as I said above the guys who last 10+ years are typically taller longer guy.
But most good G’s played T in college. Some even do in the pro for a while.
– Justin Pugh
-Rodger Saffold
-Kyle Long will likely bounce back and forth
So it’s not an uncommon move. And it’s a move that specifically makes sense for Peters. He’s not suddenly going to play til he’s 40 but it could buy him an extra year.
Justine Puke, she isn’t good at guard either.
I dig the Saffold and Long info however.
I’ve tried to google this a few dozen times and didn’t find any.
It does bug me, yeah!
Didn’t Herreman do that?
Not exactly. He was 28 or 29 when he kicked into guard and he started out as a guard. I think there were only like 24 games where he started at RT. Too lazy to look up.
It actually makes alot of logical sense.
The reason many long time T’s don’t move inside late in their career is because they are 6’6″ or taller. It’s simply a leverage issue. Also many of the guys who last 10+ years are also more athletic technicians than athletic brawlers. Jon Runyan could have maybe gotten away with kicking inside. Tra Thomas would have been a nightmare.
Peters is only 6’4, so leverage isn’t an issue. He’s an extremely powerful run blocker, and while his overall athleticism is declining he’s still got great lateral agility.
It’s not a long term fix but it does make a ton of logical sense to kick him inside next year. It lets you move Lane over and let him acclimate to the position long term (also he’s gonna start getting annoyed about $ if they don’t). Having Peters at guard also buys you time to get a young OL completely ready.
I would put money on Peters being back next year. And I would put money he gets a long look at G (depending on how the draft shakes out). So it’s not fan speculation. It’s logical. And the player has stated he thinks thats where his future lies.
hmmm wonder if this was already discussed with JP and the organization prior to this season..hence the reason why Guard wasn’t extremely highly prioritized in the draft or free agency
“Guard wasn’t extremely highly prioritized in the draft or free agency.”
That is very friendly wording.
Free Agency tryouts prior to this season:
Jared Wheeler, Malcolm Bunche-G, John Moffitt-G, Brett Boyko-G, Josh Andrews-G, Kevin Graf.
I will be you $1.
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I am so disappointed. I thought that link was going to take me to an Internet drop point where you each deposit your money and set the conditions for cashing in.
Actually, that is a good idea. Would that be legal?
A friend of mine had that idea.
He wanted to call it “put your money where your mouth is . com”
He thought of it when wackos were going nuts over “Jade Helm”. His idea was that if you were so sure the Federal Government was going to invade he’d give you $10,000. If they didn’t you’d have to pay up.
No, I see us (that’s right, us. You, your friend and I are now incorporated) as a neutral third party…
We verify the payment from each party,
insure agreement on the terms,
collect interest until the terms are satisfied,
Receive confirmation that the terms are met,
then pass the money to the winning party, minus our transaction fee.
Something like this?
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That’s exactly the idea.
Like a 2% vig, that’s less than a bookie. We’re zillionaires.
At least.
Your thought process coupled with the stated willingness of Peters to move positions seems like it makes a lot of sense.
Tommy says he will be an OG… that has nothing to do with football
Found this which is a comment from the summer.
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/662434947714666496
I found this one from McLane, saying they want to moved him to the outfield:
@Jeff_McLane: Jason Peters left field. Matt Tobin moved to left tackle and Dennis Kelly came in to play right guard. #Eagles
That probably doesn’t help, though.
That’s so dumb.
He clearly should find an AL team to put him in at DH.
Oh man.
https://twitter.com/SportsRadioWIP/status/664166709213827072
Jenkins is awesome. I went to high school in the same district he did and watched him play a bunch of times and met him twice, he was same way in high school with his confidence.
Yeah, and he definitely speaks his mind too. I like that about him. I expect him to follow in the path of Dawkins and end up on tv except with a bow tie.
yeah I really like him, he’s pretty awesome. talking crap to Dez pregame was a nice touch
#1 ranked safety in the game… Eagles only defense with two current top 5 safeties, who would have thought Seattle WOULDNT have been the team with two top safeties?
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Jenkins struggled with Beasly, but those quick small Welker types ARENT a good matchuo for him. loved seeing Billy Davis bring EJ BIGGERS into the game who stepped up and shut down that Beasly nonsense down
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If our Offense continues to gel, things will get interesting,,
He also should take a shot at their fake tough guy coach. Dan Campbell went to HS and college in Texas, grew some dirty mullet, and played for the NYG and Dallas. How exactly does that make him tough when there isn’t a single connection to the Greater Philadelphia Area on his resume?
Tannehill is so overrated.
He’s pretty solid. He’s had a worse O-line than Bradford did in St. Louis… maybe.
Jordan^2 = Cowboy Killers.
“The good news is that Kendricks, Alonso & Ryans all have playmaking ability. There’s no guarantee they’ll produce like Hicks was, but the potential is there.” The profound level of amazement that those words can be uttered truthfully, cannot possibly be overstated. What a shocking revelation the drafting of Jordan Hicks turned out to be. What a damn shame this injury is. I will be so juiced to see what this kid brings to the table in year 2!!
Remembrance/Veterans Dy tomorrow. Some who deserve to be remembered:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/may/11/unsung-heroes-of-the-caribbean-who-fought-for-britain-against-hitler
Great link
Sunday NFC east Divisions all got a bit weaker (skins don’t matter).. We lost our stud rookie Baby Simba, The Giants suffered a really costly lose with he BigBoy Run stuffer Jonathon Hankins also tearing his Pec, out For the year. that DL was nothing special to begin with, losing their best Run stuffer is somthing they have no shot of replacing, where as we have some takent that can step in for Simba…. The Cowboys took a huge loss with Sean Lee second concussions in the span of a few weeks.. Very irresponsible of them if they let him back on the field after only sitting out a week or two…Massive blows to all the NFC defenses that matter, fortunately we are better equipped to handle that loss than anything the Giamts or cowboys have on their bench
..Hicks was responsible for 6 cowboy losses, THATS more then enough value out of a rookie 3rd rounder,,,, next man up….. Losing Hicks is terrible. Feel so bad for the kid. But as long as it isn’t a hip, knee,ankle,Achilles he will be fine, coming back just as explosive and hungrier than ever in yeàr two..
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Fortunately He stepped up for us at the perfect time, when we really Needed him.. Now that Kendricks has had two games under his belt, I expect to see him turn it up a notch and get back to his playmaking self.. Meco looked amazing against The run this season, his hammy should be ready soon..
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Funny last week I was thinking Kiko should take advantage of our ILB DEpth and sit the year out to get fully healthy, a week later and I’m thrilled he came back and got a game under his belt.. He should be a little better with each game but to get back to the level he wants to be at, he will have to stay healthy long enough to play at least half a Season..
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We just Need Kemdricks to step up, and give Meco and Kiko a week or two to knock the rust off, get their wind up, and join Kemdicks at their pre injury forms
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Loved seeing Billy D, take jenkins off Beasly, and Ej Biggers really stepped up and shut Beasly down once he came in the game… great to see because we will probabky need EJ to play some snaps against Jarvis Landry and Julian Edeleman in the coming weeks… liked what I saw from Maxwell, even if that ego maniac Hoculi treated Macwell extremely unfairly…
Yeah I felt bad for Maxwell after the game. Those two penalties messed up what was an excellent game from him.
Fortunately they were such blatantly horrendous calls that announcers and everyone saw and agrees that it was bullshit..
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With as much as they were picking on Nolan carrol he held up pretty well for the most part..
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from what I saw, it looked like Dez pushed off Maragos to get that jump ball TD. If Hercules wannabe Hoculi was going to call such minor infractions as penalties, than their was a case for calling Offensive pass interference on DEz and take that TD away.. But whatever Maragos Prob wouldn’t have out jumped DEz anyway..
I enjoy the win more since the refs basically ushered the, down the field with bullshit penalts to tie and go into overtime.. It was awesome that Cassell, dEz and Beasly were doing just enough to make everyone in Dallas think they were finally going to get a win, and nothing is more enjoyable than seeing Demarco beast in overtime, and Bradford and Pope break that cities heart with a walk off TD pass for 40 plus yards in OT…. Great seeing how happy our players were.. Important moments, overcoming adversity to win in overtime on the road. These are the things we need to go tnru to gel and come together as a team…
I mentioned this during the game but the rules incentive the offensive WR to push like hell to get himself open. If Dez gets called it’s 10 yards. If he doesn’t get called it’s a TD. If the CB does something it’s PI and spot of the foul.
One of those things is not like the other two.
Sean Lee’s on his second concussion this season, right? No way he should only sit a week or two.
Pretty ridiculous a second concussion in two months isn’t a mandated season-ender TBH.
completely agree, NFL wants to get serious about concussions, here is a chance to do so. And isn’t Lee entering Eric Lindros territory here? seems like he is always concussed
I know it’s somewhat apples and oranges, but in MMA you can get a 30 day medical suspension for stubbing your toe.
The NFL, allegedly trying to get serious on CTE, allows people to get multiple concussions and throws them out there a couple of weeks later as long as they get through some pretty lame concussion protocols.
Yup… Look at TJ Grant, finally earned a welter weight title shot, got a concussion being knocked out in training camp, pulled out of the title fight that was two months away, and it’s like two years later and he still hasn’t fought…. I do wish the NFL would put restrictions on guys with multiple concussion in a short period, protect the players from themselves,and pressure to Rush back…. I don’t like the fact that Bridgewater will be practicing a few days after a concussion, but multiple concussions in a short period of time are to be taken very serious
Bridgewater shouldn’t have needed to even go through tests. Any idiot with a TV knew he was out cold.
Minimum four weeks’ rest/no contact drills for a concussion isn’t out of line. I don’t think people who’ve never had one understand how hellish they are, yet how easy it would be to mask symptoms.
yep, it is scary once you sort of come back around and think of the state of confusion that goes on. I was a quarterback growing up and got hit hard on a play. A kid came running into the huddle with the next play since we alternated RB’s and it was a run play, but when i got under center i just zoned out, got the snap and just started drifting back aimlessly while my running back just jogged past me and looked at me like “WTF are you doing” just felt punch drunk and obviously was hit hard again because i just stood there and held the ball
Went to ER and got diagnossed with a concussion, but played the next week…..hopefully they monitor young kids better today than they did 20 years ago
Do you feel there have been any effects on your mental functioning this far?
I mean, besides the spelling. 🙂
Agreed… I’m just as disgusted that the pathetic Rams are letting Wes Welker play football after his 37 concussions.. Hopefully Dallas Doctors will shut Lee down, and not for our benefit since I don’t see them as a threat, but because some things are more important than Football, obviously jerry Jones doesn’t get THAT So I won’t be surprised if he is back on the field in 2-3 weeks which would be a damn shame..
Yeah, I like Lee as a player and he seems like a good guy. Even if he wasn’t, head trauma’s way too serious to be worrying about missing a few games.
Blows my mind there aren’t set rules that if you get a second concussion in a season you get shut down. Third in two years, minimum eight weeks’ rest.
Picking those numbers out of thin air for example purposes, but as far as I can tell the NFL concussion protocols take each instance of a concussion in isolation which is utterly insane.
The NFL should definitely make uniform regulations for how much time a guy has to sit out that way he does what’s best for him with no pressure to rush back for the sake of the season
If they were serious they could even increase set layoffs depending on age and concussion history.
Not like you or I, with zero medical knowledge, don’t know that 30-something perma-dazed Wes Welker is more likely to get sparked out again than a guy in his early 20s whose never been knocked out.
remember we (IB) talked about this when they hired the new concussion protocol doctor, then it came out she would work for the NFL something like 2 hours a month. What a joke.
proud of how our OL stepped up against the Cowboys. if we NEED To give Peters another week, im fine With it.. Another week of continuity should only help us perform better and with Dolphins Monster edge rusher out for the season, im fine with going with Dennis Kelly another week… much Respect to Bradford, he played with two new Tackles basically, and never flinched, his pocket awareness and footwork keeps improving and it was impressive to see how he was able to feel the pressure and usually stay a step ahead of it.
it was Great to see SAM play at that level, but what’s most exciting is that stellar performance came right after the Carolina game which I loved the way he played, so his imprpvement is starting to becone consistent instead of 1’step forward, and one step backwards early in the season.. I think our OL even without Peters can handle the Dolphins and hopefully allow SAM to continued and build on the last two weeks whre he played some quality ball that we can win games with, especially if we keep getting 150 rushing yards per game from our RBs,
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dennis Kelly deserves respect for how he stepped up. We assumed our bench sucked when in reality tis wasnt the first year chip showed belief in kelly and Tobin… Heck we weren’t even supposed to keep Kelly last year, but he played so well, Chip believed in him enough to keep him as the 10th OL out of the preseason when we only really wanted to carry 9 Lineman… Chip and Stouland DONT strike me as the types to spend years working with guys they don’t believe in, especially when chip wasn’t afraid to make drastic changes at positipns he felt weren’t good enough, and I can assure you, no coach in their right mind devalues OL play.. Maybe These backups needed a chance to Growh Jel and An opportunity at the right time to justify jettisoning our giards,. Going to be interesting to see if the OL can keep up its quality play.
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I’m not too surprised Kelly was able to hold up against Hardy.l Dennis is a Powerful man, strength is his main attribute, but he lacks athoetcism and agility so His strength which is his power, matches up well against a 280lb edge rusher like scumbag Hardy… Where Dennis Kelly will struggle is when he runs into the quicker, more agile speed rushers like VON Miller, Vic Beasly types…Miami edge rushers are nothing special after they lost their veteran stud for the year…Donkey Kong Suh is awesome, but we have made him quit before and that is the type of dude who will be heavily effected if we can get our temoo going like we did in Dallas.. Once he gets fatigued, that lazy nutcase starts to make stupid mistakes. run the ball well in the first half and we should have that defense where we want it loosened up and ready to get trampled in the second half..
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brandon Graham was dominant for portions of that game, two strip sacks against Tyrone were just the icing on the cake, he was Beasting in the run game, containing the edge, and also blowing by Tyrone to chase the olay down from the weakside for short gains,. Really impressive to see what Graham did against Tyrone.. He was better than anything the cowboy edge rushers could do against Dennis and Lane… And this will be important again this week. Our OL should be able to handle their Front 7 better than what the Dolphins offense does against our front 7…
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hopefully Donnie and Sturgis keep up the great play. I swear I changed the channel because I couldn’t watch Sturgis kid that 52 yarder.. I was so happy when I put the game back on and saw us up by 3pts…
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just what Jordan Mathews Needed to get it going! josh Huff continues to annoy me, but he needs to be respected for his blocking. jordan May not have got in the ENDZONE if Huff didn’t stay on that block downfield.. So even if It takes hUff another year or two to get where we need him to be, at the very least his blocking allows us to get out of the Riley Cooper contract knowing we can replace his blocking which is really his best attribute. Yes Riley had a few great catches (rarely), but his biggest contributions tbis year that stick out to me are some important blocking on a few Redzone runs… We would Probabky cut that crazy contract anyway, but Huffs blocking makes it even easier..
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bradford was still learning the offense and getting used to NFL speed when he had Agholar on the field.. excited to see what Nelson does now that SAM is seeing the field much better, and delivering some accurate balls even if the window is tight..Agholars slow start Wasnt an issue with struggling to seperate, so hopefully we see some explosive things from Nelly,.. Great that we could beat the Cowboys will giving Nelson and Demeco another weak to really put their. Injuries behind them…
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Demarco was a Monster. Shame our silly FANBASE Couldnt even give him a few weeks to get comfortable before bashing him… Hopefully Mathews groin ISNT any worse then it was going into the cowboy game…
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I felt like Jerry Jones, and all the Cowboys were convinced they would beat us in Overtime, nothing more satisfying than seeing Demarco step up, put us on his back and run like a beast to get us going in OT, Ryan Mathews and his decisive, willing to run full steam into a wall style of running got us the BIg BALLS Chip 4th down, and Bradfiord and the Pope Left that franchise in Shambles!!! What an epic game… Of course Hicks made a Big Boss play of his own,,,
I think they did since it seemed they paid the refs on that last drive where they got the FG. Missed illegal formation on the 1st Maxwell penalty. Got another 1st down on the 2nd Maxwell penalty.
I think people want to hate Murray because he’s an ex-Cowboy and they don’t like his contract. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him all season, but people only look at stats and make judgments.
Bradford I think has been getting better weekly. This really should be his 2nd game without a TO, but Matthews drop against Carolina marred that. Plus, it seems drops are costing other teams games as well. As if Bradford (or any QB for that matter) can magically make their receivers catch the ball.
The only thing worrying me right now is two things. First it seems the last two games the defense has been struggling a bit against the run. I’m hoping that it’s just that the Panthers are a good running team and Dallas has a good OL. Second is the play of the Oline. I hope they can keep it up, and I’m glad they are keeping the interior of the line intact.
Maybe the health of Ags, but we’ll get a better idea if he plays this week.
Yeah, really helps that our interior line is getting continuity. We will need it to face Suh this week.
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The run Defense doesn’t worry me, especially with Meco coming back and Kendricks getting a few games under his belt…gotta give credit where it’s due, Panthers OL is real good at run blocking,and they have powerful backs and a powerful running QB, and Dallas OL is absolutely legit. Yet our defense did enough to beat Carolina if the WRs didn’t drop 10 passes… McFadden did most of his damage in the first half, our run defense tigjtened up and kept him in check in the second half when it mattered, where as we wore them down in the first half and kept running on them in the second half when it mattered, McFdden had a few long runs early, but still ended up needing like 28 carries to get to 100. I can live with that knowing that Tanpa, the Dolphins and the Lions don’t have the Run blocking and power backs that Carolina and Dallas had. Lamar Miler is having his best year, but him and his OL DONT scare me… I expect our OL to handle their front 7 better than their OL handles our front 7… Next serious test for our run defense is probably AT Foxborough..
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Hopefully this last win, put our drop issues behind us, if huff ever gets it together that is.. Sproles, Ertz, Jordanm back to their reliable selves was a beautiful site… And I love the confidence Bradford is showing in his ability to throw guys open and fit it into tight coverage. I also love seeing him start to show some serious skill in the pocket, feeling the pressure, staying a step ahead of it, buying enough time to get it out before the rusher gets to him, and he has been rolling out and throwing on the run well for weeks. Most Important he is starting to trust his blockers and trust that his body will hold up so we are now seeing a QB with his eyes down field instead of worrying about the pass rush… Like I said the most exciting part is that he is starting stack one quality performance after another, hopefully the early season inconsistencies are gone for good…
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We fought hard to get back to 500, we will get a better idea whether we “turned the corner” if we can finally get back above 500 and stay that way the rest of the year… sure be great to beat the Dolphins, allowing us a chance to put a nice win streak together going into the tampa and detroit game,, how things can change Quickily if we go to Foxborough at 7-4 with another 3 weeks worth of improvement and gelling under our belt
malcome Jenkins = “Brother Mouzone”, the bowtie assassin…
Speaking of odd names, what’s with yours?
Can’t use my old email to post any more… Work crap
I figured you were taking a cue from JPP, “Giants GEAGLE” with the t and s blown off.
Good way to do things. I have an email for work, email for personal, email for bills, and a spam account.
Any precedent to the idea of moving JP inside? It had crossed my mind, but I figured it was a stupid idea. Has anybody else done it with a decent result?
Search for D3FB’s posts elsewhere in this article. It wouldn’t happen this year; more of a question for next summer (or the one after that).