Perspective on Chip, Eagles
Posted: December 30th, 2015 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 501 Comments »When a big event happens, a lot of bad information tends to be spread around. Let’s clear up a few things.
Chip Kelly is a good coach.
Chip Kelly is a good guy.
Jeff Lurie made a change because things were heading in the wrong direction, but let’s not act like the Eagles were some epic disaster. The Eagles terrible season has them sitting at 6-9. The Tennessee Titans have won 5 games in the last 2 years combined. The Jaguars are 5-10 and this is a breakout season for them. The Ravens were a Super Bowl pick by a few analysts and they’re currently 5-10.
The Eagles had a down year, but this was hardly a team that should be compared to the awful 1998 Eagles, a team that was historically bad.
Kelly leaves the Eagles with a 26-21 record. In the 3 years before his arrival, the Eagles were 22-26. More went right than wrong in his tenure.
As to relationships, Chip is not Hitler. The players do not hate him. Some liked him quite a bit. Unfortunately, Chip did not build strong relationships with the majority of the players. This doesn’t mean a bunch of guys sitting around being best buddies, but there has to be some kind of connection.
We hear a ton of praise for Bruce Arians. He is tough on his players, but he’s able to convince them that the tough coaching is best for them and the team. Arians has a bond with his players. They aren’t all best friends, but there is a good vibe with that team. There are healthy relationships. It shows in their performance.
Don’t try to turn this into a ridiculous soap opera.
Chip isn’t a villain. The players aren’t victims. This is simply a situation where things weren’t working and Lurie felt changes had to be made if the situation was going to be fixed. He went all-in with Chip this year and it didn’t work. Keeping Chip and trying to make a subtle change here and there wasn’t going to solve the situation. You either stuck with Chip and his ideas for another year or you made a change.
Lurie decided to go with the change.
This was a nice summation by Brandon Graham.
Graham: We're all about family here. Chip always preached that. We lost a member. No reason to bash him on his way out. #Eagles #NFL
— Matt Lombardo (@MattLombardo975) December 30, 2015
*****
I need time to write out my thoughts on the news that Howie Roseman and Tom Donahoe will be running the personnel side of things. I’m keeping this piece short so I can move on to that topic.
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I get what you’re saying, Tommy, but for a team without a franchise QB it would be better to be real bad than mediocre.
In a season where there’s no clear cut #1 or #2 QB, it won’t matter much … assuming they lose to NY.
Real bad as in 2-14 for multiple seasons to maximize your chances of landing a franchise QB.
I’m REALLY high on Goff. If he is there for our pick and we get him; I’ll be pumped.
Depending on where the Eagles pick. If its top 5 then Goff would be a good pick but if not then would rather have Laremy Tunsil.
The only chance we have of getting Goff at our pick will be if the workout / combine people nit pick him down the board and raise Lynch up it.
Tunsil, unless he goes on a crime spree, has no shot of being there when we pick.
Well with the way Lynch stunk it up today its highly doubtful he leapfrogs Goff. As for Tunsil, I know that’s more wishful thinking then anything but regardless knowing Howie is working the draft then they may trade down 6 times before they make a pick.
I’ve been down on Lynch since the Temple game.
And I don’t mind multiple trade downs if we get better value and more picks in the process.
heh I didn’t even think of that but with Howie back in charge of the draft its pretty much a lock he’s trading back to recoup that 2nd round pick
If one of the guys we really want doesn’t fall to our pick; we need to trade down and trade down again rather than having our head coach compel an impulse of Marcus Smith.
Unless Goff or one of Stanley/Tunsil falls to our pick, I’d be fine with trading back and recouping the pick. This team has a lot of holes so there should be a top prospect available a bit later in the first round at a position of need.
We HAVE to lose on Sunday though. This game could mean a difference of 10 spots in the first round and we could use that extra ammunition.
10 spots in EVERY round (not 2nd obv)
im intrigued by him…..one thing i think i know for sure about the QB’s in this draft, is that all of them need to start out with a clipboard and headphones on the sidelines
Yup! And the guys I like “early” are Goff and Wentz.
Mid – Maybe Kiel
late(r) – Hack.
Goff and Wentz are the guys i like too, Especially if Chip was still the coach i really liked Wentz, but still think he is interesting no matter who the coach is
some discussion today about Hack returning to State College for his final year
Hack going back will depend on the bowl game. If he lights it up, he should go pro. If he has a bad game, he should go back and hope the new OC and improved O-line help his draft stock.
After seeing Hack play most of this year, I don’t think he’s going to be a good NFL QB
If you look at his freshman year work under O’Brien, you get a better look at his potential. PSU’s O-line and play calling under the current OC has been putrid. Hack is in no way, shape, or form ready to be an NFL QB in year one, but I think you can develop him with a year of clipboard duty as the 3rd stringer, a 2nd year as your backup, and have him start year 3.
But that’s a 4th or 5th round pick. I’m not taking him before that.
I think he’d be better served by staying at PSU for his last season and developing more. but the lure of the money is tough to fight.
He should prob go back regardless. Not remotely ready for NFL defenses and its not possible to be a worse offensive coordinator than John Donovan so PSU should be a lot better next year. Plus Franklin can recruit like crazy and some of those blue chippers should start to bear fruit.
Tommy you had to make a Hitler comparison? Jumped the shark. Just change it to despot or autocrat.
Not sure if Kelly is a good guy either. Strikes me an insular guy who largely doesn’t care what other think of him professionally or personally. Doesn’t make him a ‘bad guy’ but he doesn’t strike me as someone who had a high emotional intelligence or many attributes of what I would use to define someone as good.
Yes you can easily compare him to a ca tholic priest instead of 88, hh..
Yeah, or a Rabbi, right?
Was being creepy not religious
I can’t tell what you meant, but it sounds like you’re saying that instead of using Hitler as an example of evil, you’d prefer that Tommy use a Catholic priest. Which is bigoted and ignorant.
I knew it was too dangerous to put that out ther. Im going to edit it.
Depends which ones ..but no id never duggest tomy write something that stoo pod.and print it.
I edited. . HNY.best to us all in ’16
I’ll agree with you there. I hate to be the one speech policing someone, but it really annoys me how people have no problem saying awful things about Christians, but the moment anyone offers even the most mild criticism of Judaism or Islam, (or Jewish or Islamic individuals) the cries of hate speech immediately begin.
Hear you on that !
And those are serious issues not really apropriate for Eagles chat room.
Best to all in sweet ’16.
this again,
He went to visit Cruz last year after he got hurt here. He obviously cares about people. I think he’s just an introvert
Should Lurie have given Chip a coming to jesus talk — how’d it get so far that when they talked he was fired? Was he basically fired after the Detroit game? it sort of looks like it if you look at his reaction after that game.
Sounds like coaches were coaching for their jobs on saturday and team couldn’t get it done.
Wormtongue Roseman.
Who is the Eagles version of Legolas that can stick him with an arrow?
Fipp.
That’d be great but I am thinking it would be more of a person in the FO that is below Roseman that hopes to make a power play.
Thats the beauty of it. Fipp is undercover as a mild mannered special teams coach
He has crazy eyes man.
I’m rooting for Fipp.
That was Marynowitz and Howie conquered him.
Problem is that was Marynowicz and he’s gone now
He has such a smug face it’s very easy to dislike him intensely. Probably unfair but, I don’t care.
Is it strange that I am not really that upset after the firing? He had a winning reccord the past 3 seasons combined yet the Eagles got worse as Kelly got more power. Maybe thats why.
I don’t think that’s why they got worse (power). I think they got worse because teams adapted to his scheme, and he refused to adapt his scheme to counter. How many games were there where defenses had the offense 100% dead to rights on almost every single play?
He already has his next gig lined up, that’s why. Maybe Lurie will bring in Fisher or Garrett or Bradley or Pettine or Daniels. You know, all losers. All NFL guys!
What gig?
This thought made me sick lol
I can get onboard or sold on:
Adam Gase
Sean Payton (maybe)
Hue Jackson
but it will probably be someone out of left field
Your picture is chip kelly you. Dumbass
It’s about time to change it. Don’t really appreciate the name calling, however.
KISS and Win – The “Keep It Simple, Stupid” principle defined Pittsburgh’s blue-collar work ethic and Coach Noll’s play calling strategy.
“We like to pride ourselves on being a very fundamental football team. You have to win by blocking well and tackling well”
Chuck would say, “It’s not my job to hold your hand. It’s my job to take motivated people and show them how to become better.”
4 Super Bowls, Coach of the Year and Hall of Fame.
This is kind of how i feel…….but the NFL is no longer this way, too many prima-donnas in this league and kids who need their HC to be a therapist and life mentor
I know but he also emphasized execution. Along with preparing for real llfe’s work.
#Culture, #toosoon
Steroids defined the Steelers under Noll.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/curtain-shame-steelers-dynasty-asterisk-juice-story-true-article-1.597935
There is nothing commendable about anything from Pittsburgh. They’re utterly contemptible.
plus Madden’s Raiders were all juicers
True, but they’re not put up on some type of pedestal as a paragon of excellence.
steroids made Madden into a better coach than what he actually was
That may indeed be true, but I’m not old enough to remember Madden as a coach. I know him as a great broadcaster.
Made him a better broadcaster too 😉
Some of them are.
Steroids were widely used, although not by every member of any team, at that time. Steroids are still used, behind the scenes, in every gym in the country. Roid rage hasn’t gone away. Snarl.
http://mealplan4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/images-6.jpeg
I think a member of the Steelers offensive line needed a heart transplant from all the steroid abuse
True, except WWE is “sports entertainment” while the Steelers are frauds in an actual sport.
Hey you guys i might need some time to work my way thru this .. as a result i might only check this site like 90 times a day. Please respect my privacy while i try to balance fsmily work and eagles
Enjoy your break, and see you in 12 minutes.
What did i miss ..
I want Joe Banner back.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Yesssssssssssss.
Just for the contract writing alone.
He had an affair with luries wife you dumb ass bitch
The one who ruined our cheerleaders’ uniforms or the current one?
i think Lurie had an affair with Roseman and that is why he is divorced, and that is how Howie has stuck around so long
I’m kidding of course
Front office porn; hot!
No to Nickles
I’ll take him over Howie
Lot of revisionist history going on by allot of Eagles fans today.
For the record, I wanted him back next year and am stunned he didn’t get the 4th year. I generally thing firing a guy after only 3 years is too fast, but I’m not in the building with Lurie and don’t know what Chip said or did to convince Lurie that it was time for a change.
In either case, I’m looking forward to the next regime and seeing what happens.
Yeah, but we had some good times with the Chipster and it was never ever a dull moment under him.
I will miss him.
Me too.
My thoughts 100%
Well you are a dumbass
You don’t have many friends do you? Try being nice and everyone won’t hate you.
I was tight you were wrong
tight again kook
That’s what SHE said!!
What you, and all of your sock puppet screen names, fail to understand is that we’re all in this for the long haul. And I wanted to clear up any of the concerns of “Nailed It!” in terms of revisionist history. I’m happy to own my opinions.
Mike don’t feed the little bitch troll. He’s just another “internet tough guy” that gets off by talking smack to people over a computer knowing they can’t actually see him.
I made him tap out the other day on the Bradford salary and team salary cap discussion, so I don’t mind going a few rounds on topical elements.
https://twitter.com/BleedingGreen/status/682193476616859648
you don’t sayyy???
Read the article. Part of it is speculation from executive with another team. Plus, it’s written by Eckel, who is generally worthless.
Yes, but like the Chip firing where there’s smoke there’s fire.
LJ talked about the tension between Chip and Roseman. This is from more than a couple people.
No doubt Roseman was saying “YEAH BOY!” as Lurie was firing Chip, but if Roseman had that much control over the situation he wouldn’t have been pushed to the side by Chip last year.
I think Lurie hedged his bet, which is why he gave Roseman a raise.
I don’t doubt that it’s true but the headline there is more definitive than the reporting in the actual story merits.
Fair enough, point taken.
roseman’s such a kook
You know I will say to be careful saying stuff like this. Ark believes a lot of the hate towards Roseman is antisemitism. Stuff like this would only fuel the fire.
I personally am not a fan, but outside of the troll I’m trying to make sure I don’t name-call or unfairly denigrate someone.
Roseman only has his job because of white privilege.
nah kook is just a term used in surfing to refer to someone that doesn’t know what they are doing and is therefore dangerous.
as in Roseman’s a kook
I want to add that I don’t mean to come down on you personally, it just happened that was the first comment since Ark’s earlier today that could be construed that way.
How is calling somebody a kook antisemitism?
I’m just putting it out there. Some people here seem to be hypersensitive to the fact that what’s driving the Roseman hate is antisemitic.
its not his overall shadiness??? I actually like roseman if everything he does is actually geared towards winning. But its hard to tell from the outside it appears to be geared towards having full GM powers. Only time will tell
Kook
Race: Whites
Hawaiian surfers use this term towards novice white surfers
http://www.rsdb.org/slur/kook
Might be thinking of the slur “kike”.
i always thought “kook” just was short for calling someone “cuckoo” as in they are a little crazy, unstable or odd
I’m just trying to be hypersensitive to the allegations.
Yeah, I just took it to mean that he thought he was goofy or a little unhinged. Hope the PC Police don’t ban me for saying that!
I imagine since we traded Foles AND a 2nd rounder Roseman has been in Luries ear yelling him Chip is in over his head and its a mercy to put him out of his misery
This franchise has a zero chance of doing any sort of meaningful damage as long as there is Snake Roseman in several miles radius away from NovaCare and Linc. As we’ve seen it so many times in life, someone who is not good at all at doing his job, is excellent in creating intrigues and machinations. It’s not by any means that Chip was doing a perfect job, or was completely on point with his methods, but this incompetent owner, by not pulling a plug on both of these guys if he wanted so badly to get “from good to great”, has just sentenced this franchise to the very mediocrity he was so obsessed avoiding. The only good thing that can come out of it, is that the fan base finally lowers its expectations for real, and get rid of all those toxic ‘SB contenders’ illusions.
Can’t say I agree. I think Roseman is a perfectly fine front office man. Maybe not the guy you want the buck to stop with but he flat out knows contracts, trade values, and valuation of talent by round in the draft.
I think a lot of our perception of Roseman is fueled by leaks to the media by old-school scouts who naturally hate a guy with a cap background. Certain media members serve up whatever those guys dish without question.
The thing is we heard this kind of stuff about Roseman before Chip had him exiled, and it didn’t stop him from doing his job. He made a lot of trades and signed a lot of free agents for a guy who was “widely hated around the league”.
I’d like to thank both of guys who replied to my post in a polite and no-bashing-and-name-calling manner that became a norm nowadays. I see that in some other comments someone is implying that strong disliking of Roseman may be perceived as antisemitism, and though I really hate how political correctness made everyone timid and walking on eggshells, I’d still like to clarify that calling Roseman a Snake was just alluding to the history of intrigues that follow that guy. It’s pretty obvious it’s not just a media leak here or there, it’s a recurring theme. Beside that, I see no strong evidence of him being a good talent evaluator, hence him being just a good cap guy simply shouldn’t be something we should settle for. And much more important than anything regarding him, is the owner who allows Howie’s mouth constantly being on his ear, and overall very poor handling of entire power struggle, plus a lack of playoff success in recent years. Lurie should have cleaned the slate completely, and started it all from scratch. That would be taking the full responsibility for the franchise future in the eyes of the fan base, and the rest of the league.
I love the site, and respect your insight. I am unsure who this latest entry is directed at though. It seems the precious minority thought of Kelly as a “bad person.”
Most people that wanted him gone did not like his rigidity in terms of personnel and aversion to conflict despite being GM. Also some saw a lack of innovation offensively and regression in playcalling/scheming.
And there were others that wanted to keep him. I don’t see people demonizing him.
I don’t want to speak for Tommy, but I think that was directed at some of the coverage of Kelly not necessarily the people here.
That makes sense. I have, for the most part, only checked a couple of sites along with the emb.
From what I have seen, people have had much harsher words towards Howie.
A lot of folks here don’t like Howie. I think Howie is really bright and I’m a fan.
I’m not. I think he’s smoke on mirrors.
I think highly of him, but the true evaluation should begin now. There is so much misinformation as to who ran what drafts, what picks, etc.
He is in the driver seat now. There is no doubt. I think what is most fair is to approach this term with an open mind.
I find it disturbing that many of Howie’s critics bring up his religion as well as Lurie’s.
I never see that, but I keep seeing people say it. And I think I have a pretty keen radar for that kind of stuff.
Maybe I need to rethink how I’m looking at his detractors.
It’s not out and out “fuck that jew” level stuff but it’s very much dog whistling that occurs.
“He’s a sneaky weasling pencil neck who doesn’t know what he’s doing in a mans sport and is only good with the money”
I’ve seen people use pictures like this to describe Roseman
http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1281340707142708.jpeg
I’ve haven’t seen this, but THIS is definitely antisemitic.
I talked about it a bit in my colum today. But I don’t think it’s ridiculous to assert that if it was a Ryan Grigson type he’d be described as Machiavellian not a slimy snake.
I’d describe Ryan Grigson as stupid and intellectually overmatched as a GM.
I describe him as Joe Banner’s butt baby…is that wrong? lol
Nice. So Chip must hate Jews, too.
Next time I see it, I’ll bring it to your attention.
It doesn’t happen much here, obviously. I’ve seen it on 24/7 and BGN -I won’t read the comments anywhere else.
Sometimes it’s insidious stuff like “being good with money”, that’s old school racist like calling all black QB “athletic” and saying they have better physical than intellectual skills.
I don’t have time for all those other blogs. I used to go to them, but commenting there takes too much time. I can only comment on one blog, and even then it’s difficult to keep up on all the other articles I’m trying to read.
I’d flame them over that, but I’m 100% guilty of having complained about the odd number of times Reid kept drafting and/or placing on the 53 man roster players who were Mormon and who I didn’t think were good enough.
I think the Jewish stuff about Roseman and Lurie is weak sauce, but I needed to make sure I was totally honest with y’all first.
The thing is that Reid really didn’t give Mormons preferential treatment. He might sign a few guys as UDFAs, but as far as drafting them? Scott Young, but he went right about where he should have gone in the draft. Yeah, most didn’t like Reno Mahe but as a combination RB/WR/PR he was probably deserving of a roster spot, at least inititially.
I think there were a few other late round draft picks over the years, possibly a few Polynesian players, but I think you’re correct that Reno Mahe made things extremely intense from a hatred standpoint.
One hated Mormon in 14 years doesn’t reflect a bias on Reid’s part. It is just a statistical inevitability.
we went from Mormon to Ducks to….
I thought it was his ethnicity? Isn’t it true that you can’t convert to Judaism?
Don’t go to the emb 🙂
What coaches from this staff would you keep (if it was your call)? A few I hope they keep are Fipp, Azz, and Duce. Fipp is obvious. Azz seems to be the perfect DLine coach for this group (production-wise and personality-wise). Duce seems to have a good rapport with his players, but production wasn’t there this year as in past (probably due to OLine issues though).
I would keep Azz as well but according to D3 he is strictly a 3-4 d-line guy so if they switch defenses he is more then likely gone. I would definitely keep Stoutland, Staley, and Fipp.
What about a 4-3 Under defense? Still keep Azz? Just think the players along the DLine truly respect and respond to Azz. Wouldn’t want to mess with a good thing (almost the only good thing about our D).
He could coach in a 4-3 under, but again that all depends on the incoming coach. I am very adamant about keeping Azz and I’m hoping it happens.
Same here.
No so much that he’s a 34 guy but that he’s a 2 gap coach. Marshall ran 2 gap when he was there Vinnys freshman year, then Oregon ran 2 gap while he was there, and obviously the Eagles.
Speaking of Vinny. He was one of only 4 players Lurie mentioned in his PC today (along with Sproles, Demarco, and Bradford) as being “scheme diverse.” Very telling from my perspective. Don’t think they will let Vinny walk in FA (at least I hope). Too good of a young talent to let go just because of scheme fit.
He fits and can start in just about everything other than a 34 2 gap.
Would he be, for us, what Seattle drafted Bruce Ivrin to be in their 4-3 under?
He’d be our Michael Bennett not our Bruce Irvin
Will he be as funny?
That’s worth at least 2 mil extra on the contract.
You know my playoff dream scenario is Seattle beating Washington and Carolina back to back and Bennett making completely and totally uncalled for personal comments about Cousins and Cam?
Kirk doesn’t like that
Ha ha ha ha; we’ll see what he likes or doesn’t once they’re getting blown out in their own building. Seattle slapping them around in the 2012 playoffs was a great day.
When you say that, do you mean that he is not able to play the 2-gap DE position (like Thornton does well), or that it’s just wasting his 1-gap abilities and hence not a good use of resources?
It’s that he can’t hold up for an extended stretch with the run game responsibilities of a 2 gap DE. He’s bulked up and is still only 285. For a position that is going to mean you are in alot more traffic and dealing with more double teams that you will be asked to hold the point. So its a combination of not playing to his strength and not being able to handle the position.
In a 34 2 gap you want guys like Ceddy and Brett Keisel
He profiles like a Justin Tuck in a 43 over
He profiles like a Michael Bennett in an Under front
Props on Brett Keisel; that is always the right height/weight prototype guy to use when going with 3-4 DEs!
such an explosive first step. Curry amazes me with that. Would love to see him get his chance. I think he can be a dominant pass rusher
Cool, thanks for the insight friend. Always much appreciated.
Fipp. Azz. Shurmur. Stoutland.
That’s all.
I hate Duce’s habit of swapping out the hot hand RB; especially when that guy has been on my fantasy team. Come to think of it; Duce owes me some money.
shurmur?
I’m interested in how the team plays for him on Sunday.
Poorly, I hope. We need that draft pick.
But I don’t want to judge him on that game.
Yes, I’m a big fan. Like him with Andy here. Liked him as the OC in St. Louis. Liked him as the head coach in Cleveland.
If Bradford is going to be back I think Shurmur being back is vital.
makes sense for Bradford. I think he’s gotten better and could be good, he is essentially a young QB with very little experience.
And we can still draft a QB to be the planned future starter while signing Bradford to my 3 year / $54 million deal.
so you’re ok with losing NY this week huh?
its hard, but I think we need to yeah?
Just this once!
It is KILLING ME, but I can deal.
KILL YOURSELFFF FOR WANTING TO LOSE TO THOSE LOSAHS FROM NEW YAWK
/s
Deserved
for the future!
I’d take Shurmur as QB coach. If we get a defensive HC, I want someone else calling plays.
Agreed on Shurmur not being the play caller. I want him handling the QB and game planning as a staff member.
Hard to think a new cguy ocming in wouldn’t want to clean house. We see with Howie the effects of having “legacy guys” where’s the loyalty. Sucks to fire chip b/c I think there needed to be major tweaks, not overhaul of everyone.
Might have to move away from stoutland…
Like Duce. A lot.
But he’s been a RB coach.
Don’t know of any RB coach getting promoted to HC.
Lurie will interview Duce as a courtesy, to get his name in the mix around the NFL. And to meet Rooney requirements — quickly.
Duce is going to need to pay his dues as an OC before he’s seriously considered for a HC gig. Big difference between managing 4 or 5 guys at what’s considered the easiest position to coach vs running the whole operation.
RB coaches almost never get the OC job. Some eventually move on to QB coaching jobs just so they’ll be considered for OC.
Yea all my buddies who became GAs all get stuck as the RB coach. It’s a relatively idiot proof position. So it’s hard to evaluate the quality of the coach.
So, your buddies are idiots? 🙁
Overwhelmingly
Forward man!
Not to keep for HC position, just to keep for position purposes. Would you keep Duce as RB coach, Azz as DL coach, etc.?
Azz was also Chip’s Assistant Head Coach and followed him from Oregon. He may choose to continue this relationship in Tennessee.
Wonder if Azz would be interested in our more-than-likely open DC position. But then again, he hates taking to media, so that’s probably out of the question…
Not to thread jack, but the more I think of it the more I’d like to have Hue Jackson as our head coach and Bradford back as QB.
I’d keep Shurmur as OC / Bradford’s handler while Hue calls the plays.
Somebody had mentioned Hue bringing over one of the Bengals DB coaches as his DC. If that happened it would be cool to see it be Mark Carrier; just due to his violent highlight reel. That dude straight up crushed people.
Assistant coach group aside, I think Hue learned a lot after he was fired as the Raiders HC, humbled himself taking lower jobs, and kept putting in the work on NFL staffs. I like that a lot. The Cincy O is WAY better under Jackson than it was under Gruden.
Yep. I like that option. I would like to keep Shurmur on staff, but I’d be open to Fangio if he’s in the running. I think we have some pieces to have a stellar defense. Add in a couple OL and we could be a grinding team come late in the year.
My question on Fangio is if he’s really that good, why did the Niners pass him over and hire Tomsula?
They are a dysfunctional organization right now. That’s the only thing I can think of.
Could very well be.
Because the 49ers’ owner makes Lurie look like the leader of Mensa.
That’s fair.
#tankingforaQB
Hasn’t worked so well for the Sixers in Year 3. Play hard and let the chips fall where they may (no pun intended).
Vance Joseph is the DB coach there, and was asked to be interviewed by a few teams last year but Cincy blocked him from going or talking to those teams
Yep, think rule that teams can block assistants from interviewing for coordinator positions is bogus. Problem is teams would take advantage of it by giving one guy the coordinator title and have other asst HCs or senior assistants that have more authority.
Especially if we want him.
yea i don’t get it at all. It’s not right
It’s not but if you say you can’t prevent a guy from advancing to coordinator, then teams will steal a quality young coach under contract by giving him the coordinator title in name only when other coaches are actually acting in that role.
Then maybe these cheap ass owners should pay these assistant coaches a bit more.
very true, but there should be some stipulations or guidelines the league can insert to rectify that
Didn’t he also take a not very talented Oakland team and make them play well above their level for half a season?
Wouldn’t it be great to see an Eagles team do that? (without the collapse, of course)
Yes.
Tom Cable was 8-8 with that team the year before, rumors were that he pushed Cable out after going behind his back to ownership….made a power play the next year for full control and i think their was new ownership like AC said and they let him go
Cable was also a wifebeater, unfortunately.
Hue Jackson was run out of Oakland in part because he wanted to *keep* control over all personnel decisions and the draft, following Al Davis’s death.
No thanks. Because eventually, if successful, he’ll want that control here.
Easily avoided by Lurie knowing better now.
right on!
oh hey, new thread
http://i.imgur.com/AywnlkC.png
For being a “nerd”, Howie sure does kick all types of ass
Howie = Littlefinger
😉 Swear I didn’t see this until now but your right. He does have little fingers
i thought that was Drew Brees
Sigh, it may be time to move on but i’m just going to miss the guy. I hope he does well where he goes and learns from his mistakes here. :pours one out:
Truth!
I hope he does well financially and in life, but I won’t be able to stomach him having more NFL success than the Eagles do over the balance of his football career.
:chip takes jet to tennessee coaches mariota for 20 years:
would not be surprised. classic eagles.
Given what the rest of that roster and front office looks like, I wouldn’t worry about that coming back to bite us too badly.
But I would complain loudly and frequently that it was BS we didn’t trade Kelly there for 2 1s and 2 2s like Oakland got for trading Gruden to Tampa.
i guess the time it would have taken to do that might have cost us a HC candidate we wanted. knowing our luck, no one we pursue will want to come here though and it will just be a colossal waste.
ha ha, I think you’re a tad more fatalistic than I.
He’s got a point. It very quickly becomes a game of chicken, a massive drama, and you can’t really interview anyone until you move him.
I was more address the “knowing our luck……” part of the answer, but yes I’m aware of why we needed to move now.
Plus what I’m reading is giving very minimal odds of Kelly going to the Titans.
howie should have worked the back channels.
The second you call the Titans that’s getting leaked. The second you reach out they just wait for you to fire him.
yeah you’d have to bait them into calling you, but i guess as soon as you pick up the phone they leak that and then chip is probably a lame duck.
probably, but i think our FO structure will scare some good candidates off.
Depends on the candidate. And the $ offered.
No reasonable person would call Chip a fascist or idenitfy him as a despot. For that matter, I never heard anyone I consider reasonable even support the racist charges that swirled around him.
I think it’s fair, though, to consider him a man of extreme pride and excessive confidence who succombed to hubris. In the Greek tragedies, hubris is a charcter flaw found in a man in an authoritative position who becomes so enamoured of his exceptional qualities that he forms a delusion that he greater than other mortals, equal to the gods. He is punished and his downfall is brought about by nemesis.
Tommy you should find someone more reliable than kempski and do a show more often.
Agreed. Tommy has a good voice too!
Hell, I don’t know much but I’d do a show with Tommy every couple weeks/every month. If you are reading this Tommy, call me!
It would devolve into a show about eating crackers and pudding in bed.
i feel like a comma was needed somewhere. i have bad thoughts now.
Sounds right up my alley. Speaking of, what coaching candidate would you let eat crackers in YOUR bed?
I talked about them in my article. Read it asshole.
Ok, Ok. Don’t get your tits in a twist!
Great writing; didn’t mention McDermott once!
Chip has some free time
What are you doing for the game on Sunday?
I’m going to play paintball. I am over it. Can’t watch the gazzell suffer while it is eaten by the Lion, still breathing.
People seem to like the OC — why is that? Is it b/c of Bradford. Did he have good schemes in STL / CLE? I’ve heard his name in the same sentence as the word “vanilla”
Good QB coach, pedestrian OC.
if we keep him do you think he sticks with chips scheme (With tweaks) or would he go back to whatever he was doing before?
I don’t know but my guess would be primarily WCO with a little no-huddle as change of pace.
He’s a very solid football man, did a good job here under Reid, and would provide valuable continuity if we keep Bradford. He was solid as the OC in STL and had the Browns playing competitive football when their fascist owner fired him for no reason.
Any names that we haven’t heard of that could be moving toward a HC position?
I heard Mora’s name bandied about, and I want no parts of that.
Macnow just tweeted out Doug Peterson.
I like that more than McDermott, but I still hate it.
That’s interesting, but I’d like to see another year out of him as an OC.
Saw that but only place I’ve seen Pederson mentioned is where Caplan said he would get HC interviews. Caplan didn’t specify with which team.
Yeah, Macnow may have just been parroting that.
i really dislike Jim Mora…..if you thought Chip had an ego, Mora comes off as a cocky punk to me. He couldn’t stand the media in Seattle and Atlanta….good luck to him here if this is where he lands
Mike Mayock
Personally I’d love to see Matt Patricia being in the mix. Its always dangerous to steal from the Pats, but with McDaniels being mentioned then I guess its open season. The Patriots defense has in a big way been remodeled since their last SB loss to the Giants and I think in a big way its not a retooling that Belichick himself is solely responsible for, apparently Patricia has a huge part in that and the current Pats defense is HIS defense.
Before Chip was fired, I really wanted to see Jim Schwartz as Billy Davis’ replacement. The guy ran such a great defense in Buffalo and IIRC a somewhat good defense in Detroit. Most impressively, he got major production out of Suh and Dareus, which makes me hopefull for Cox. He got great edge rush both places, especially out of a guy like Jerry Hughes who looked like a bust, which would be kinda nice with Graham and Curry who shown a lot of potential. However, Schwartz was such a terrible HC IMO, I really disliked him. The argument would be that most coaches learn tremendously from getting canned. I wouldn’t love him as a HC as much as I would adore him as DC,but its a name.
Schwartz runs his front 4 with the Wide 9; prepare for venom!
He’s run the wide-nine in some of his stops but note everywhere. It’s more of a package for him than a full-time scheme.
AFAIK, he limited the wide 9 tremendously when he was with the Bills and build a lot on the 43 under thoughts of Mike Pettine keeping Dareus at 3 tech with Kyle Williams as a NT. Im by no means an expert on Bills football, but he might have evolved in that regard.
Still, not my favorite HC. Actually, IMO one of the worst recent HC in the NFL.
could like with it at DC, Bills were great on D last year.
Yup and his Lions team was goo too despite severely lacking talent at DB. Undisciplined, dirty and somewhat stupid like the rest of the team coached by a terrible HC, but played at a high level.
And lets not forget the reason he became the Lions HC was several years as he Titans DC when they had that amazing defense. Also, another case of Schwartz having a dominant DT in Haynesworth.
if he could make Cox, Suh…
Dave Toub.
Just throwing this name out there although i don’t think it will be well received, but i’ve mentioned Tom Cable before in the Hue Jackson/Raider discussions. Hasn’t had great success as a HC, but players around the league have expressed how much of a joy it is playing for him. Michael Robinson on NFL network from time to time will mention how Cable deserves a lot of credit for how solid Seattle’s O-line and offense has become since he took over as o-line coach. Just throwing a name out there, but he is probaly viewed as just a stop-gap guy if anything
Do you guys think Heath Evans would be a good OC?
No. I think he’s too rigid in his thinking sometimes.
Well, he would probably evaluate FB’s well.
You are incorrect sir. Evans is rigid in his thinking all the time. He constantly interrupts others in order to foist his closed-minded rants onto the viewers. He seems to think that Bronko Nagursky and Red Grange are still playing.
http://www.theworldoffootball.com/Images/Red_Grange_&_Bronko_Naghurski.jpg
He’d be good for target practice.
The kind of target practice where members on this board stand him up in a field and aim high powered weapons at him?
FB DIVE ON 3RD AND 8?!!
How does one find an image to post on here?
Mike Holmgren
I’d be surprised if they didn’t interview Todd Haley.
Oh God no! No! No!
That dude is a straight up punk.
And Snoop hates him.
Fans seem to hate him but his track record is pretty good at you look at it objectively. Plus, if Snoop hates him, that’s a bonus.
He does some very dumb stuff with trick plays for now reason far too often. I really don’t like him at all.
Took a while for that scheme to hit but he’s looking like a genuis right now.
he and his wife sued Mcdonald’s after his wife found a rat in her salad….true story
Yeah, I’d have sued McDonald’s too.
Anyone think they are going to go after a flashy hire again? Will they get a consensus from players, etc.?
I hope not. Honestly I don’t see any available head coach outside of Nick Saban and Sean Payton that would qualify as a flashy hire.
One thing that gets me if you’re Lurie — are the Howie picks any good? Aside from Cox even the 2012 draft doesn’t look great.
I think Curry was an excellent pick and its too bad his talents are not fully utilized in the past defense. Kendricks was ok for a 2nd rounder I guess but not as good as his LB counterparts also taken in that draft. Boykin played fairly well as well for a 4th rounder. Dennis Kelley is still on the team and Bryce Brown showed some things that made you get a semi-chub.
Perhaps you are lacking a point of reference. Go back and look at the 2006-2011 drafts and then take another look at the 2012 draft.
I wouldn’t waste too much time speculating on the power dynamic at this point Tommy. They are probably waiting for the Chip firing excitement to die down and then they will clarify that Howie is running the show.
They already clarified it. Donahoe is running the day-to-day ops of the personnel department but Roseman is in charge of the personnel department overall. Sounded more like it was his job to build the personnel department up(hires/fires) than actually be evaluating players.
So who has final say in personel decisions? Donahoe?
Collaboration between new HC, Donahoe, and Roseman. I’d guess Roseman has final say if there are disagreements.
Who is doing the talking with other teams when they are negotiating a trade?
It sounds like you agree with Lurie’s decision to fire Chip. Am I right about that, T-Law?
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i just got a hot flash
quarter chub?
one of those too!
Woah, they just hired Stephen A. Smith as a “Community Advisor”. Didn’t see that one coming.
Serious? Maybe as ‘Cliche Windbag Generator’ and that is being kind. Kind of reporting is the worst as he plays very fast and loose with any facts, never retracts when is wrong or says nonsense even if causes real grief or harm, and is an a general agitator.
I have been at every home game since the late 90’s. If the Eagles have agreed to pay SAS in any capacity I will sell every ticket I own on StubHub next season.
This turned out to be a rumor I made up.
Thanks for the reply.
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=363875391
well that is certainly an eye opener
His agent or someone should tell him to tone it down, for his own good.
Wasn’t one of Chip’s biggest attractions was his ability to adapt and change. After the past year, I don’t think so.
Yeah, he preached that in his opening PC and it became pretty soon after that that that was all talk.
Yep, after Reid’s inability to make in-game adjustments, that’s what I was most excited about with Chip coming in. I assumed he was so successful at OU due to an ability to make game day and week-to-week adjusts. In his three years here, we saw very few adjustments.
Well, it could be argued that’s all he did was “talk.” Could never take him honestly.
Yes and he loved good new ideas .. but not ones different from his
Weirdest thing to me was his insistence supposedly on certain physical attributes a player had to as a mandatory cutoff. Always wanted to know how true they were and when & why did Kelly make exceptions (sproles trade).
Seattle uses the same metrics, and it’s done them well. Sproles is a special talent and you can make concessions a couple times for talent like that.
They look at successful players in certain positions and then create numbers there.
Caution: Marcus Hayes.
Take notice what is in quotes and what is not.
Even what is in quotes is damning. These aren’t impromptu thoughts being expressed here. Lane has obviously had these thoughts for months, if not years. And it’s pretty much certain that many—probably most—other players have very similar feelings. And this is on the offensive side of the ball! Imagine what the defensive players are thinking and feeling about the tempo.
i mean we had former oregon players and access to others sort of surprised we didn’t diligence this. I guess chip just wants young guys he an run through the system and dump.
Wow.
The bottom line is the players didn’t like playing for Chip. He may be a football genius. The players may be bums. Quitters. Whatever. They didn’t like playing for him, and that’s just not gonna work.
The quote from Birds 24/7 in which an anon offensive player said that “energy was down” leading up to the Washington game. That can’t be ignored. Why would energy be down!? There will always be players unhappy with a coach on a 53 man roster. Chip couldn’t get the best from these guys even when they had the division lead (Bucs) and playoffs (Washington) on the line.
If this is true, Lurie was right to move on. Good luck to Chip at his next stop. If he becomes the next Bellicheck story, it will be a hard pill to swallow, but it was the right decision for the Eagles.
yeah sucks. Feel like Chip needs to go back to college or be an OC so he can work out his scheme on the pro level.
yup i agree with this. It’s one thing to not be “friendly” or “liked” by your own players, but it seems most of the team probably lost respect for him because they couldn’t relate to or talk to him about football.
I’m not impressed with Lane either to be honest.
Fine line being candid and being a malcontent/complainer/taddletail. Never played organized football so I don’t know the dynamics but I do wonder how other teammates view Johnson running his mouth as much as he did this year including during the year.
clearly not saying anything untrue. Crazy to me that the leaders on the team – probably the guys that were consulted had no media availability.
Guessing they wanted a day to step back and get their thoughts in order so they didn’t say something too inflammatory.
I would imagine it’s frowned upon. However, my feeling is there has been a lot of frustration building over the years. Brian Billick said months ago the Eagles were a powder keg waiting to blow up. Could have been complete BS or perhaps right on the money.
I was as pro Chip as anyone. However, the failure to address OL this offseason, the sighnings of Murray and Miles, and playing Murray so long when it was clear Mathews was superior just baffled me. The Bucs and Detroit games were the first major signs that bad shit was going on behind the scenes. And now we are where we are.
yeah not adjusting playing time was killing me.
Dawkins made that point today in regards to Austin and said he didn’t understand how Kelly kept Austin after his efforts and comments after the game ending INT vs Bucs. Said other head coaches would have cut a veteran like that the next day. I said the exact same thing after that happened and was stunned that Austin’s nonchalant effort and comments were tolerated by Kelly.
On the other hand, Kelly got rid of a bunch of guys and Dawkins said it likely created strange set of expectations of what would and wouldn’t get a guy released, traded, or sat. Kelly almost did it backwards by not holding players accountable for in-game performance yet dumping then at will in the offseason.
or dumping good performers who complain and then keeping crappy guys
There are always going to be some folks who can only bring themselves to be candid when they perceive no cost to themselves. If Johnson felt that strongly, he would have had my admiration if he asked for a trade, and explained to Kelly why he was doing so. It’s a moot point now, but Kelly might have become defensive and accommodated Johnson, but he may have learned something that he didn’t know, and either way, it is regrettable.
Notably, there was a vacuum of leadership in the locker room Wednesday. Veterans such as Peters, Jason Kelce, Malcolm Jenkins and Fletcher Cox did not make themselves available during Wednesday’s charged media availability, when nerves were raw and the team needed a forthright voice.
So to be critical of Roseman is to get labeled as antisemitic? Way overboard and undue.
I could care less he is Jewish. What would make me leary of dealing with his J.D. (lawyers are a necessary evil but there are few professions I hold with lower personal value and a sense of professional ethics than lawyers), that Lurie apparently holds him in such high regard yet refuses to state why except the 2012 and 2013 drafts, and pretty much had deferred any possible criticism of him.
I do think Roseman has value in negotiating contracts and several other areas. Just kind of scant evidence to go on that he has made good personnel decisions and somehow committed no real wrong in the numerous struggles this team has had in FA and the draft the past 5 years.
I read that a comparison to a dictator…nothing less..nothing more
I think you might be missing something: Howie Roseman did not get Chip fired. Chip Kelly did that.
Did Howie Roseman think that the moves Chip was making were idiotic? Probably. I think most of us would agree with him, at least in hindsight. Frankly, I wouldn’t want him in power now if he didn’t.
But you want to make it seem like some kind of Machiavellian plot, with Roseman sneaking around, whispering in ears. He got paid good money by Lurie to stay. I’d guess he was expected to give his honest opinion. He probably didn’t need to sneak into Lurie’s office and leave Kempski articles on the desk.
So yeah, it’s not blatant, but some of your posts have that antisemitism feel to them.
Lurie flat out trusts the guy, and he doesn’t have to give you or anybody chapter and verse on why. If Howie is extremely loyal and competent enough to satisfy Lurie, all of the envy and scuttle about back-stabbing, and ass-kissing, largely unsubstantiated mind you, don’t amount to a hill of beans. If folks don’t think he’s a competent talent evaluator, something tells me he’s got the authorization to hire someone who is. I have commented on why I think the model Lurie is following is seriously flawed, but that isn’t of Roseman’s making, and to be still standing says something about his resourcefulness, I think.
I wouldn’t mince words. What you describe there is exactly what happened.
Howie has shown himself to be an adequate talent evaluator, and an ace with contracts. We could do much worse.
I hated just about all of Chips moves this past off season, but in hindsight it wasn’t really all that bad. Went thin at O line, and I’m sure he didn’t want to, and ultimately that was his downfall. If the o line had been rock solid it is a different season.
We went from a football prodigy and possibly Ok GM to a contract prodigy and a possibly very good GM. He just has to find the right football people, or we are in for more misery.
If he didn’t “want to” go thin at OL, he shouldn’t have cut Mathis for being a meany-face.
At the end of the day, he was the only one out of 90 people that didn’t show up for OTAs. So if the other 89 players are there and working, and he comes back – what kind of message does that send to the team?
Those weren’t mandatory. And skipping OTA’s was pretty common for him. Opting to work out at his gym.
That he respects the CBA?
Gotta set priorities. He made a mistake, not that it ultimately would of mattered had he gotten injured for us as well.
One thing i hope the new regime keeps is the sports science.. Prevention n recovery are key.. Reading up on Lane speaking on Chip.. Training the same way from OTAs til now shows me Chip got that bit wrong.. Offseason, preseason is the hardest.. During the season its all about maintaining.. Lane Johnson body breaking down this early in his career sucks.. Cant imagine what it would feel like for the older players
I asked about that SEAL guy earlier but I don’t think anyone knows. Hell, I don’t think anyone except Chip even knows what he looks like.
There was an article about him a couple of years ago… went to Nebraska State or some school around there and majored in sports science.
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/24/chip-kellys-mystery-man
And keep the emphasis on special teams… how many games over the past 3 season has special teams won?
“But Let’s not act like the eagles were some epic disaster” … No qb…below average (to be kind) talent at wr…no guards…over aged tackle…one dimension rb…center who played as bad as the overages tackle…not epic at all…epic would have to include a bad punter….phew! Glad we avoided epic…I get it..always looking for a silver lining…nobody wants to admit there kid is ugly…this 2015 team stinks…
Sticks perhaps, epic no. Epic is the 0-16 lions. This Eagles season has been bad, but still better than 2012 and the Babin/Nnamdi nonsense.
I’ll give in to that one….that was bad….but this team — is equally, if not, in – worse shape.
I count 15 teams with the same or worse record, defeated 2 teams with winning records. Average.
I know we suck, but other teams suck — so it’s ok. I hate that type of thinking. Some of those teams that suck — have a future QB/Coach/GM. If you always measure yourself to avg, you’ll always be avg….again, not the way I think….
“I’m grateful to Jeffrey Lurie for allowing me to coach his Philadelphia Eagles for the past three seasons. I deeply regret that we did not bring this great city and its fans the championship they deserve. I was blessed to work with a gifted and hard-working coaching staff every day, and they will succeed wherever they go. Finally, my players mean the world to me. I will miss them very much and I will be rooting for them to achieve their dreams. Life is all about responding to challenges and seizing opportunities.” Chip’s statement.
“I’m grateful to Jeffrey Lurie for allowing me to coach his Philadelphia Eagles for the past three seasons” — damn
Ok I’ll bite. I don’t get it.
Yep, feeling pretty crappy right now. Best of luck CK!
Pretty nice statement. Good job, Chip……and the agent/PR guy who actually wrote it.
I just can’t get passed naming josh mcdaniels on you list…hoping that was a joke…
who are you interviewing?
Cincinnati OC to start…
He is a hot name right now. Foolish not kick the tires.
he has brady and gronk and plays against the laughable AFCeast. Don’t wanna diminish his ability but….. pretty hard to fuck that up
it’s the only place he’s been successful…
Ok then, if I am Lurie I am gonna do my research and determine that for sure. I have a staff in place that gets paid to research these candidates, they are going to research every possible candidate under the sun with the same level of scrutiny across the board.
have you forgotten what he did in Denver? Or maybe you’ve forgotten the his terrible year as Rams OC before being fired. Foolish is kicking a flat tire…
I think that is narrow minded and foolish, so we will have to disagree.
Why is it narrow minded? If his history isn’t enough to say 1) he failed terrible as an OC and 2) he failed miserably as a HC. Why on earth is that narrow minded? It’s common sense.
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Judging by your logic, the Eagles should interview every single person in world. I mean, why not right? You have to narrow the field. First check — is the man successful outside of BB holding his hand? Answer: Absolutely not.
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I can stick my head up a cows ass to see what a steak looks like or I can ask my butcher.
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So, let’s hear your non-narrow minded reason to give JM an interview besides “oh, we have to kick the tires”….
If you owned the Patriots they would never have hired the Hoody.
100% not true. I know Parcells won 2 SB’s because of the Hoody. He has a huge history of success prior to Cleveland.
I do like the Tommy Boy quote though….
Wrong Tommy, Chip proved himself to be neither a good coach nor a good guy. That’s why he’s gone. Doesn’t mean he can’t get better at coaching or at “building relationships” (be they with players, the media, fellow front office personnel, etc). Not everything works out, and not everything can be tied up in a nice, happy bow. That’s life.
“Lurie went all in on Chip”.
It really feels like he walked away from the table before the river card. I trust Lurie, but man… Just uneasy about this.
If he was so afraid he would irrevocably destroy the team, I get it. Just like adding a star player to a new team, adding a new coach is an even bigger gamble. There really doesn’t appear to be another Chip just waiting in the wings.
i felt uneasy about it too, after first hearing the news and even for most of today, but i think it’s becoming apparent that these players really lost faith in their coach and idk what it would have taken to get it back
The Giants were in open rebellion against Coughlin, expressed themselves to him in what had to be very contentious meetings, and got him to ease off. He changed his MO, trusted his players and got 2 championships in return with the same players who wanted him crucified. I can’t help but wonder if Chip was approached with a similar scenario and declined, or if the option to make player driven changes was a subject that was ever broached. Lots of coaches alienate their players and some change and some don’t. I wish I knew the whole scoop here.
yea it seems to me that could have been a way to salvage Chip as a coach and his relationship with his players. Have sort of an “intervention” for Chip where he walks into a meeting room and all the players are sitting there and let him know they need to have a discussion about his philosophies and the way he does things
Doubt it would have worked, and maybe even doubt the players would have cared enough to try it
I don’t know about a classroom sized intervention, but is he really so inflexible that JP, Jenkins and a younger guy like maybe Cox couldn’t have gotten in his ear and said “Coach, you’re killing us. We need a bit more recovery time, training staff support, whatever. We’really not calling you out in public, we aren’t looking to embarrass you, but we can’t maintain this pace fromantic August to December”. Who knows, maybe they did and Chip ran them out of the office and threw a clipboard at them on the way out. I believed in Chip, wanted him to succeed. I wish I knew more.
Chip…
we come from a place of love. The whole uptempo thing is destroying not only your life but those who care for u as well. We’re gonna have to ask you to give up your Billy Davis addiction as well.
Good point.
Coughlin has already been fired from Jacksonville, so was sufficiently humbled before the Giants players asked him to treat them like adults and end all of the camp Coughlin BS.
Lurie would not confirm that Kelly lost the locker room, but he did say he talks to the players all of the time. I think Lurie has earned some credibility as a patient owner who understands what he wants. He bet on Chip big, and he did not see a foundation for growth after three seasons. I don’t think it is related to record or personnel decision, but primarily on the visible attitude manifest on sundays. This whole year there were very few opportunities to say, “That is encouraging”.
Those opportunities were few and far between. I am not saying I disagree with the move, just that I am apprehensive about the chance of improvement.
Maybe Chip did need a huge kick in the ass to realize that he needs to actually practice what he preaches “question everything”. If he figures that out it appears pretty obvious to me he can find great success.
Here is to hoping the next guy has the same type of potential. My guess is that he wont.
Remember that time LeSean McCoy and DeSean Jackson put up career numbers and we had Jeremy Maclin coming back the next year and the Eagles were going to be unstoppable? That was great.
Seems like names I am hearing most are Jackson, Gase and McDermott….oh well
Two of those names are really good.
I am really in favor of Eagles hiring an offense guy. I am more of a defense fan, but the best OC’s are usually snagged for HC positions, so if you hire a defense guy as your HC, then you’re pressed to find a great OC after a big sale.
Over the past 3 years I recall watching Kelly get the play in before the play clock started counting down, and I remembered the often frustrating ordeal that getting a play in was for Andy. This is not to bash Reid, he had a lot more plays in his book than Chip, but I hope that the next HC is a swift play caller, and is comfortable with no-huddle.
I wonder if Howie shared what he would have done player move wise over the course of the year with Lurie. Remember Lurie talked about copious notes he took with who made what moves when giving Howie all the power back in 2011/2.
Roseman will obviously give a level of intelligence back to the valuation process, but I still feel uneasy about how the whole power struggle went down and the leaks that came like Hart and Foles that clearly came from Rosemans camp. Is Howie really a team player and somebody that can build good relationships with whomever they might bring in? He is a smart guy but he does need some help in the overall process and not more interested in winning power struggles over team success.
I’m sure Lurie is 100% aware of that stuff as well. If this was 100% the Howie show, I think you would have seen a different presser yesterday.
Howie has run Joe Banner, Andy Reid, Tom Gamble and Chip Kelly out of the Eagles organization. I trust him none and think he will do anything to keep his position in the hierarchy. He is a snake.
I’ve been so busy, I didn’t get a chance to air my grievances this year.
Chip, your coaching really disappointed me. I didn’t see you adjust, which was supposed to be your strongest suit. You ignored the OL like an All-Star procrastinator. And you didn’t bring the Lombardi to Philly.
Eagles WR – I don’t know why, but you decided that you wanted to forget how to catch this year. It was terrible to watch.
Eagles OL – You forgot how to block many times this season, and some of those snaps were horrifying.
Billy D – It seemed like once people figured out your defense, you were lost and they exploited both the run and pass defense.
Lurie – For not firing everyone and starting over
Hinkie – For making me believe you had a real idea and that this team could win 30 games this year.
Holmgren – For doling out contracts like Billy King and hamstringing the Flyers for the next 3 years.
Phillies – For not getting rid of Rube two years ago, and having to rebuild.
Union – For being like every other team in Philly right now.
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this is nice, good job!
Thanks. I have time to burn tonight watching the flyers game. It’s nice to be able to hang out and see a game live.
Sixers are only 27 wins away now from getting 30, haha
I went from hopeful to angry with the Sixers this year. It’s aggravating watching them consistently lose games in the last 4 minutes of the game.
yea i hear ya…..gettin Ish back is huge for that team. I think Hinkie either underrated how important he was in the second half last year or thought it was possible that Ish would help the team win too many games. I know for sure he underrated the impact losing would have on young kids. A decent PG like Ish has had a great impact on Noel (20 pts, 9 reb. tonight). I like Okafor and think he can develop into a special player, offensively at least, but the kid needs time to develop and having PG’s throw him the ball with 5 seconds on the shot clock wasn’t helping him at all…..things are at least entertaining again in sixerland
I didn’t understand letting Ish walk, but I think we’d have about 11-12 more wins if he was here all season.
from what i understand Hinkster wanted to bring him back but i think Ish wanted to go to a contending team….i even think Ish was offered a small deal, but instead took a camp deal with the Wizards instead.
then he could have claimed him off waivers, but never did. That was a mistake. They had to give up the 2 2nd rounders to get him back, but i’m totally ok with that. This team was in a bad way and our young bigs were suffering the most without a PG to feed them. Plus idk if we would have room for those two second rounders next year anyway with a healthy Embiid and Saric probably coming over…let alone at least 3 1st rounders in the draft, possibly 4. To me getting a PG this season was much more important in the short term because the bigs were not being developed as much as they could have been
I hope they can find their PG of the future in this draft, so we can start focusing on winning.
It’s pretty well known trait of organizations that when an executive with decision-making power is let go, organizations tend to overreact in the opposite direction with the next hire. Here is Lurie from today when asked what he was looking for in the next coach:
“Number one: a smart, strategic thinker. That’s a given. You’ve got to be looking out for the short-term, mid-term and long-term interests of the franchise,” Lurie said. “Looking for somebody who interacts very well and communicates clearly with everybody he works with and comes in touch with. Understands the passion of our fans and what it’s like to coach the Philadelphia Eagles. It’s a unique and incredibly passionate fanbase that just wants to win. You’ve got to incorporate that in your life, in your heart and you’ve got to be willing to do that. And another thing is attention to detail. I think all good coaches have tremendous attention to detail in this league.
“And lastly — amongst many other things, but I’ll just mention a few — you’ve got to open your heart to players and everybody you want to achieve peak performance. I would call it a style of leadership that values information, all the resources that are provided and at the same time values emotional intelligence.”
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/12/30/jeffrey-lurie-chip-kelly-philadelphia-eagles/#T554VyuGiRP0iw8B.99”
Let’s read between the lines, and I think we can see why Lurie fired Chip:
1. Chip wasn’t good enough at balancing short, medium, and long-term interests. I think Lurie’s thinking of releasing Jackson for nothing, Mathis, maybe Shady trade. Chip wanted certain things done NOW when waiting might have benefited the team in the long run more.
2. Communication was a problem, especially (as has been pointed out elsewhere) with Roseman and other front-office guys. Need to be able to work collaboratively if you’re not Belichick.
3. I think the fanbase comment is a knock at how Chip communicated through the media and alienated reporters, who indirectly represent the fans.
4. Attention to detail comment is indicating Chip was spread to thin to pay attention to important things.
5. Clearly Chip was too distant from the players (at least enough of them to affect performance of the team) to effectively motivate them.
These are all fixable things for Chip, and he might be great at his next stop (although I think he can’t win with the offensive pace he plays in the NFL, either…).
So how would you portray Reid’s interaction with the media compared to Chip’s??
Repetitive but it was what the players wanted to hear.
said all the right things. Never once threw anyone under the bus…until that last year. What a bad year.
I don’t think most fans care about the media reporters. I did notice that the official website was a lot less active under Kelly compared to Reid. They let them videotape practice less and there were less interviews. I’m pretty sure Spadaro will be one of the most happy guys that Chip is gone.
Ahh, the Jackson myth. He was not let go for nothing. He is getting paid 2/3 of what he got in Philly right now, and there is a lot of talk in Washington that he will be “let go” at the end of this season.
So we can get him back at a reduced rate? I’m all in, especially if they give him #10 back. I need to be able to wear that jersey more often.
Ugh, why would you buy the jersey of a spoiled punk player?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2173hj_eagles-comeback-against-giants-called-by-merrill-reese-1_sport
So you think it’s ok when Cowboy’s fans buy Hardy’s jersey? Extreme example, but I want to at least have a little respect for the person wearing the jersey. Don’t condone the spoiled athlete culture. Guess it’s the old coach in me, but I’m in Herm Edwards camp on this one.
I’ve never been able to pull up that video without watching the entire thing, usually several times. It’s a 5 minute video, yet you replied in 2 minutes.
What kind of fan are you?
lol.
Not to mention, the dude plays for highlights. He’s great at that, but there’s a lot more to the game.
What Jackson myth? The Eagles are a better team with DeSean Jackson on it. Anybody who would claim differently is a moron. We started Riley Cooper and Miles Austiin as our outside receivers this year for chrissakes.
The myth that he was let go for nothing. And we would be a better team with Rodgers, Kuechly, Suh, and Revis, too. Anyone who doesn’t realize players have a value and that there is a salary cap is a moron. 😉
Not a myth. You need talent in this league, and it usually costs.
And whether he was way overpriced at 11 mill could make for an interesting discussion. But saying he was released for nothing is indicative of how many fans and writers operate without the facts getting in their way.
“Chip Kelly is a good coach.
Chip Kelly is a good guy.”
Here, let me fix that for you, Tommy:
Chip Kelly is a good college coach.
Chip Kelly is a good guy if you do and accept everything he wants you to do without complaint or questioning (like the college kids do unless they want to lose their scholarship).
Somebody posted this earlier & I just read it… Very well written & illuminating article
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=363875391
Not to marginalize Lane’s words on the matter, but I wonder how much of that would be an issue if the team was playing better football.
Marcus Hayes has a long history of crap articles. Sticking a light bulb up your arse is technically illuminating. 😉
Johnson may be honest, but he’s not the brightest bulb.
When a team is getting 2 – 3 games worth of extra pounding, hits and blocks against them from other NFL teams, someone should be listening to the players. Whether people were afraid to talk to Chip or not, this one thing should have been a given amongst the coaching staff and someone should have been able to approach Chip and state this very thing. For that matter, Chip being so bright should have known it. This was the one thing I could not understand with Chip. Why up tempo when things were not conducive for it. It was a thing of beauty when it worked but too often the offense just could not sustain anything to even want to try tempo. Shame he couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust because as stated earlier, when clicking, I liked watching this offense almost as much as Buddy’s defenses .
[…] Perspective on Chip, Eagles – Iggles BlitzWhen a big event happens, a lot of bad information tends to be spread around. Let’s clear up a few things. Chip Kelly is a good coach. Chip Kelly is a good guy. Jeff Lurie made a change because things were heading in the wrong direction, but let’s not act like the Eagles were some epic disaster. The Eagles terrible season has them sitting at 6-9. The Tennessee Titans have won 5 games in the last 2 years combined. The Jaguars are 5-10 and this is a breakout season for them. The Ravens were a Super Bowl pick by a few analysts and they’re currently 5-10. The Eagles had a down year, but this was hardly a team that should be compared to the awful 1998 Eagles, a team that was historically bad. […]
Depressing.. Finally Lurie grew balls corrected a wrong no one expected LURIE to do because it was out of Chaechter for LURIE, so Eagles fans celebrate acknowledging a mistake and trying to fix it. LURIE gave me hope for 24 hours, then he ruined EVERYTHING the next day with his refusal to hire a GM, and is sneaking Howie Roseman as the GM without giving him the title of GM, and now I believe we are doomed!! LURIE, Howie, Smolenski running a coaching search AGAIN after hiring chip 3 years ago. I’m tired of this shit, how about you add one singke FOOTBALL GUY to help hire a friggin Football COACH?
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This was Lurie’s chance to do better, put an end to the dysfunctional front office that has only failed since Banner left. Instead of finally bringing in a respected GM who coaches want to work for, we get Howie whs backstabbing reputation is trash amongst NFL circles, and this means there will be candidates we can’t get bcause of Howie reputaion
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I’ll tell you right now that we can’t get the coach I want, DC Patrica from the Patrits, Bellichck will recommend that he doesn’t sigń on to work with Howie..
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How many other candidates do we have to remove from the list because he is keepimg HOWIE as the GM?
I happen to like Howie and I think he’ll do fine in whatever role he plays in the new regime.
A goal for me this offseason will be to break the secret capitalization code you use. Perhaps it is a message within a message?
LURIE LURIE, LURIE. EVERYTHING LURIE. AGAIN FOOTBALL GUY COACH? HOWIE.
Believe it or not, half of my capitalized words are done by autocorrect
The latest Eagles Rewind article is how I feel. Worried we didn’t give one more year.
I would agree with you 99.99% of the time on that subject (and was in the “keep Chip” camp), but I’ll give Lurie the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this move.
It’s safe to say that Lurie has moved himself into the hotseat.
If Saturday night goes well enough, I’ll be able to have enough seed money for my solar powered water desalination empire that I’ll be able to own the team in 5 years.
http://www.powerball.com/pb_home.asp
Sounds like you’ve got a better plan than Lurie.
Indeed! The plan centers around using solar powered pumps to pull sea water to great heights and use the power of gravity to have that water spin a system that is a combination of turbines and the filters on would find in a life straw to provide dry areas of the world with a steady supply of water for agriculture and industry that doesn’t pull surface water from dams and/or vital ground water from wells.
Once that works, plan #2 is to develop a battery pack system to replace gas / gas stations with an automated system where one pulls in, has an automated system remove the battery pack and replace it with a fresh battery that is able to run about 350 miles on a charge. The old batteries are racked into a solar recharging station and people just would keep swapping them in and out of cars in the same way one would do a propane tank for a grill.
Far fetched I know, but I need to turn those millions into billions somehow.
No offense, but I don’t think I’d trust someone who plays the lottery to have the understanding of math necessary to pull off a desalinization project.
Duh, you hire people. Trump has already answered this type of question “IT’S CALLED MANAGEMENT!”
How can an owner who speaks once a year be on the hot seat? What does he care as long as we keep giving him our money. Unless we stop going to Eagles games, LURIE is untouchable
I think that was sarcasm you missed.
You took that a little too literal. But it is ironic, part of why Kelly was let go is because Lurie values public relations (pretty sure Wormtongue Roseman was seeding the negative stories). Now Lurie has put himself into position to become a disrespected owner. He needs to hit a homerun here.
I really do understand this point of view, but I’m relieved… I like chip, I think he could be a great coach, but had he returned I would have been praying all summer for him to EVOLVE, and im glad to not have to worry about an egomaniac evolving and growing into the pro coach I hoped he would be..
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I’m sorry, but I can NEVER justify basically Linning up in the same 3 shotgun formations every single week… I don’t care what offebse you run, it NEEDS Variety
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Opposing coaches are too Damn smart to line up in the same formation every week…. It’s like having an entire arsenal of all the weapons you can imagine, yet you only ever use the handgun… Some situations call for a Machine gun, other situations call for a Bazooka… Why limit ourselves to a hand gun every week?
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LURIE always talking about Bellichick and how much he wants to finds is own Bellichick, but chip is the complete opposite of Bellichick.. Bellichick morphs his entire offense every week so it looks different than the week before, his playbook must be tge size of an encyclopedia collection… Bellichick uses any formations, any play that can help the Patriots.. So many great plays, formations, football principles, and Chio ignores them all for his pamphlet sized playbook.
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I’m happy I no longer have a coach who’s offense puts an insane amount of pressure on my beloved Defebse
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I’m happy to no longer have a coach who disrespects time of possession, and glad I never have to hear a coach act like how many plays you run is the key to success, the Quality of the plays you run, is how you succeed.
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Chip wanted to reinvent the NFL practice schedule, yet his record is horrible in short weeks…
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Happy that we no longer have a coach that cares about moving so fast that he ignores allowing his QB to audible
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Happy to no longer have a coach obsessed with moving so fast that he doesn’t correct mistakes on the field during practice… How can you build muscle memory if you don’t makee corrections on the practice field? Can’t build muscle memory fixing mistakes in a class room
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I like chip, think he could be a Great coach. But that can only happen if he evolves and grows as a pro coach, and I worry he would NEVER evolve if we continued with him… Humbling his ego by firing him, might force him to take a serious look into making these changesm and if he doesn’t want to change, he is better off in college
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i will shed a tear of joy when I see our QB line up under center
EVOLVE, NEVER.
NEEDS LURIE NEVER.
This is a prediction about Chip’s next landing spot, right?
LURIE is a joke… We aren’t going to have a GM, because it will be a collaborative effort? What a weasel, you aren’t hiring a GM, because our GMS Howies reputation is trash and LURIE knew he would get killed for hiring HOWIE as GM… So now he is just going to continuosly lie to us and pretend HOWIE ismt the GM?
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Collaborating on decisions? What a JOKE! There is ALWAYS collaboration on Every decision. Chip had plenty people advising him and “collaborating” with him on decisions, but in the end, only 1 person has the final say, and HOWIE has more personnel power than anyone in this organization… The NFL is going to see right thru this bullshit and there will be candidates that refuse to work with HOWIE,l
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ARENT we tired over the over ambitious back stabhing in our front office.?
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Even if you get a good coach to work with HOWIE, as soon as coach has success he will pull a power move and demand that HOWIE leave or he leaves.
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LURIE went out of Charechter stepping up and getting rid of chip, 24 hours he ruined EVERYTHING recycling the same stooges who got us to this point, instead of finally having the Brain to hire a real NFL GM, who knows how to build a roster and has a good reputation around the NFL ..
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The ONLY football guy we have is Tom Dinahue who hasn’t been part of a successful organization since the steelers in the 90s.. He was Terribke at Buffalo, and since coming here in 2012, we haven’t won anything
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What the fuck has to happen to finally clean house in the front office? If LURIE was going to hire a retread, I would much prefer bringing Banner back..
This whole thing has made me question Lurie more. I do not like this direction of “it’s his team” which to me means meddling and giving Howie more input (he isn’t that good). It’s his team so he can do what he wants, but I don’t like the prospects of it.
I was very excited when he went out of Charechter, I thought maybe he learned something and this time would be different. But he went back into charechter and is continuing with this joke of a front office.
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I wanted to hire the Patriots defensive coordinator who’s defensive numbers are very impressive the last 4 years, but Bellichick is going to recommend that he does not take a job with HOWIE as the GM.
http://i.imgur.com/I9w4ILQ.png
Certainly not excited..
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HOWIE has his strengths:
Good trades
Good contracts
Solid draft manevering
Made some pretty good picks the last few drafts he was in charge for
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But shaky takent evaluation, shaky in free agency, backstabbing, overly ambitious, bad reputation league wide
Who is his bad reputation from? Joe Banner, who lost a power struggle with Howie, or more likely Andy? Louis Riddick, who has the IQ of rock and has been fired from 3 or 4 front offices?
And what bad picks would you lay in Howie’s lap?
So are you saying that maybe we should put a little less stock in the opinions of unemployed executives who have been fired multiple times and have a little more faith in the guy who hasn’t gotten fired?
Interesting perspective. I’ll have to think about that.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I like Howie’s recent drafts
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2012: Cox, Vinny, Mychal, FOles, Boykin
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2013 Lane, Ertz and Bennie..
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No idea who is to blame for 2014.. But since we drafted Huff and Hart, im sure chip had influence.
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I’m happy to have Howie run our draft, but I’d bet Howie reputatiom means we can only attracts a Coordinator…. Can’t get a guy like Sean Peyton to report to Howie
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Howie has been a major failure in free agency. Hopefully he learned from mistakes.
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What’s interesting is with chip out of the way, wonder how much work Howie does fixing our Cap after how much chip overpaid for guys who haven’t panned out
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You can make light of Howie’s reputaion, but it will limit the coaches we can attract. No Sean Peyton, No one from the Patriots, I can’t remember who, but Bellichick advised someone to not take the Eagles job when Howie was in charge so we can’t get Matt Patricia, probabky can’t get Josh McDaniels(but I don’t want him anyway)
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Hey Sean Payton; he’s $10 mil / year for 5 years. Can you chat with Howie about what players to draft and what cap ramifications your player choice will have?
I think a lot of that stuff with Howie clears itself up once they get a new guy hired.
Getting promoted from within does not necessary indicate backstabbing. Was he supposed to quit when Banner got canned?
I’ll be using this one!
LURIE LURIE HOWIE HOWIE.
JOKE! ALWAYS.
HOWIE HOWIE ARENT HOWIE HOWIE.
LURIE EVERYTHING.
ONLY LURIE.
Wow, so Howie is merely a pawn in Lurie’s game?
It’s kind of a beautiful tortured poem
I’m a renaissance man, what can I say.
Trevone Boykin arrested for punching a cop? WTF is wrong with these dumb donkey kids?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14472105/tcu-quarterback-trevone-boykin-was-arrested-bar-fight
He must have become upset when the bar patrons were chanting “You’re a wide out” at him across the bar.
You see it in every walk of life: young people who don’t realize the fragility of their opportunity. It is one of the things that make adults shake their heads at the stupidity of youth.
But yeah, what a jackass.
Basically…
One reason they didn’t draft mature men….
Who ever knows when cops are involved unless there is video? Cops lie like its second nature.
Doubt they made it up in a packed bar with tons of witnesses
I save that analysis for actual victims of mistreatment by police, not pampered brats who start bar fights.
Lost in the chip drama, I didn’t realize Manziel posted another video of being a jackass at a party? He posted the video hikself, is he out of his mind, or can he possibky be THIS DUMB….. What a moron.. It’s so bad, I wonder if he is trying to get the Browns to cut him, but THATS his opportunity to play, and his stock isn’t good enough to want to hit the open market and get himself waived..
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Biggest clown in the NFL a
Yeah, it’s funny, I don’t care that he parties. That’s an athlete archetype as old as the concept of athletes. But he is clearly dumb as a doorknob.
needs to learn a thing or two from Jeter, who fucked every hot movie star in America, parties his ass off for decades, yet you can’t even find a single video of jeter partying
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different times. i’m very lucky social media wasn’t prevalent when i was younger
Jeter probably could have been a mob boss if he’d wanted to; not everyone has those skillz.
He literally is the worst example of the combination of putrid style of play and behavior away from the field. He represents everything (both on the field and off of it) that I want gone from the NFL.
Well said…LURIE should have traded chip to the Browns lol
The Browns need to save assets for their impending trade for RGMe.
Correct me if I’m wrong, if we beat the Giant, we will probably have the 12th pick in the draft, if we lose, our pick is in the 8-10 range?
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What’s interesting is that majority of teams picking ahead of the Eagles all have QBs… Cleveland and the Niners are the only teams that need a QB ahead of us. If the Browns pass on a QB, Paxton Lynch could fall to us….haven’t watched him enough to have any opinipn on him one way or the other.. Personally I Really want to proceed with Bradford and use the top 12 pick on a big need…
We could draft as bad as 17th if we win; we need to lose and draft 8th……..if everything breaks the right way. And I’ll be destroying any and all teams that don’t help up get all the way to 8th.
I’d be happy if they took a defensive lineman. Then we’d know for sure they went with BPA rather than need.
*Best Player Available – that I like
Lol the Problem is there is a good chance the top DL in that Range comes from Oregon… Could Howie troll us and pick a player from Oregon in round 1?
Some say Bosa belongs in the 6-10’range, not top 5…
Bosa might also belong in jail. He was rocking too much thug life stuff this past offseason.
IF we lose, probably around 9 or 10. If we win, somewhere 16-18.
The range is 8 to 17.
I demand 8!
trade down?
All day every day!
shopping spree
Or brains spree! As in trading down again from 26 instead of having your head coach say “I want Marcus now.”
or your “a fat canadian fireman who’s already 28 is just the kind of pick that’s crazy enough to work!”
In fairness to Reid, that guy was described as a “con artist” by teammates. He gave his all at the senior bowl, combine, and interviews; they tanked it once he got paid.
yeah but on the other hand, he was a fat 28 year old canadian fireman. and there were literally hundreds of football players who werent. reid wouldn’t have gotten screwed over if he hadn’t tried to outsmart the league. plus it was a guard in the first.
I hear you but given the play of Barbre Doll and Turnstile Tobin; a first round guard sounds really good right about now.
as long as he or she is american, not 28, and hates fighting fires
Like Donald Sutherland in Backdraft?
http://brianorndorf.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ee7b64288330154327f519f970c-500wi
more like donald sutherland in animal house, frankly
Funny how the blown pick happens when you do ‘need’ instead of BPA. Case in point…Marcus baby.
That IS one of Howie’s strengths…playing the draft position/trade game.
Howie has a great handle on player valuation. I love that quality of anybody on draft day.
We get pick value and then screw up the picks. What good is being good at trading draft picks if you can’t draft worth a darn?
That would fall on the guy who made the final call on who to pick after those trade downs; which hasn’t been Howie since 2012.
i’d rather blow two 2nds than one 1st? haha idk
Might have to, to try and recoup a 2nd round pick
You have no idea how much it hurt me to root for the Cowboys last week…but of course they failed to deliver At least all games are inter-division this week. I’ll be rooting for a lot of teams to win their 7th (or 6th) game so we drop. If I were Lurie, I’d ask Shurmur to make sure the next coach has good game film on the reserves.
My hope is Marcus Smith trolls the entire free world on his way out the door by putting a kill shot on Eli that leaves him injured so long into next year that Eli loses his game played streak………………which his offensively longer than the steak of Jaws.
Lol apparently you missed Marcus recent quotes when he said there is no seperation between him and Barwin and BG.. Basically he claims he is on their level…
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What if Marcus steps on the field and looks like a monster, that would make chip look terrible
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But hey,msome playërs like Bennie Logan and Curry will swear that Marcus will be a good player, sure hope they know what they are talking about
Let’s start him and see…
Maybe we should start Cooper at DB, bet he would be great at Jamming OBJ with his extensive blocking skills!!!!
not a big difference but i think the range is 9-18. jimmy said 8-17 but i think he was wrong. He said in his latest article that the highest we can pick is 9.
I want 9!
kempski at by far his classiest http://www.phillyvoice.com/chip-kelly-left-positive-impressions-many-eagles-players/
Maybe the words to JM should have been “catch the ball”….lol
damnit
Fire CK — media — There’s a market for him…plenty of landing places with young QB’s
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We don’t need Bradford — media — quite a few teams will be interested in him …
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Media (nfl network this am) — who would want to coach the Eagles?
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More media — the timing of the firing is to allow CK to find his landing spot. AND, give the Eagles more time to search. Um — season isn’t over. Unless there’s some ties to colleges — CK can’t talk to other teams. The timing of the firing isn’t for jobs — the timing of the firing was making a point….
I think the result of the Giants game will b very telling with respect to the timing of his firing.
It will be telling who we hire for HC. If it’s low on our wish list, its because no one wants to come here and deal with the front office/howie. If you wanted to start fresh Lurie, then you really need to start fresh and get rid of howie.
Lurie has been the posterboy for half-assing this offseason. Hire chip then fire him after one bad season and not give him a chance to fix his mistakes. Fire the front office but leave Howie in charge. The man needs to commit and stop flip-flopping